Club Shay Shay - Best of NFL Divisional Round Part 2: Ja’Quan McMillian breaks down game-sealing INT off Josh Allen

Episode Date: January 21, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are joined by Denver Broncos defensive back Ja’Quan McMillian following his game-sealing interception against Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. McMillian breaks down the controversial play in full detail, explains what he saw in the moment, and shares his perspective on whether the officials made the correct call in one of the most debated moments of the game. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Broncos defeat Bills in OT46:57 - Ja'Quan McMillian joins to breakdown his interception (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wasabi Hot Cloud Storage. Store more and do more with your data. Try them for free at wasabi.com. I mean, I thought, you know what? Let's go ahead and talk about this game. We'll come back to this. The Broncos beat the Bills in overtime. Head to the LFC title game. Will Lutz made a 23-yard field goal to win in an overtime following two late-legged to get Denver in the red zone. Bo Nix passed for 279 yards. Three touchdown. He did have one interception. Josh Allen threw for 283, three touchdowns, but he had four of Buffalo's five turnovers. But the big news came after the game, Ocho,

when Sean Payton took the podium, let's take a listen to what he had to say about this breaking news. Not good news. On the second to last playing overtime, Beau fractured a bone in his right ankle. He's scheduled to have surgery Tuesday. day of this week, which will put him out for the rest of the season.

Stead he's ready to go. And it was, yeah, it was the second and the last play before he threw the pass to Mims. Birmingham is where he'll have the surgery with Dr. Waltrip. And I don't really think there's any other questions. You know, in other words, this is just is what it is. And we felt like it'd be best to just tell everyone now. Man, hey, Uncle, that's a joke. I mean, come on that.

Damn, boy, that's a buzzer look. I know, no, yeah, that's bad luck. Listen, second, second play, the second and last play before the game, you know, after playing the entirety of the game, I mean, that sucks, especially for Broncos fans. I'm sure, obviously losing your starting quarterback, that changes everything, that changes the way your offense is called, that changes the way your offense is done. So now someone else has to step up.

I'm not sure who is your backup. Yeah, Steadham. Started with the Patriots from Auburn. And then he went to the Raiders. Yes. I remember Stidham. I remember Stidham. He's not Bownecks.

I think he is capable of maybe winning you a game. Obviously, listen to me. I'm trying to get some hope. I'm trying to get some hope. That's a young lady's name. That's a young lady's name. What, hope? So what, you ain't got no,

you ain't got no faith in still? Bro, we're going to face the Patriots or the Texans. A, both two defenses, those. Yes. And then if for some unforeseen reason, you get past them, there's a great chance you're going to play Seattle. I saw with Seattle.

I was in New York when, Seattle did that 43-8 demolition job on us. I'm good. Yeah. So basically you want to start packing your stuff for Cancun now or what? I'm going to enjoy this. I get 24 hours to enjoy this. Okay.

You can't. You can't. Right. Don't feel bad. Don't feel bad. Yeah, I'll feel bad. He was elected in the fourth round of 2019 draft. Ocho, he's not in his first season with the Broncos serving as a backup to Knicks for two of those.

Did him as one and three of the NFL starter. He last started a game in 23 when he went one. and won over the last two games of the regular season. Stidham has thrown eight touchdowns and eight interception in 20 NFL games. The Broncos, they get the ball, they go right down the field, little John Humphrey, little Jordan Humphrey. Bro, he dropped it. Now, he came back and caught one in the second, Ocho, but that's four points.

Yeah. The same play that I think, who was that, King Kay, that caught a touchdown from the slot, run the fade from the slot. That's the same play with Jordan Humphrey drop. Cortland, bro, you're a pro bowler. You just signed an extension.

You on the last, you dropped two passes. You dropped two. You got to have that. You're supposed to be their best, their best Y receiver. He is. You can't have those drops for Joe in that situation. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, everything, It's magnified, especially in the playoffs. You know, you don't get as big plays as you'd like, so the plays that you do get when the ball does come to you, they didn't go to court for a very long time during the game. He wasn't in rhythm. He had to get. He's one of those that's not going to complain.

He's not going to say anything. He's going to run everything hard until the ball does come his way. So I kind of understand it, but he understands and he knows you can't have those drops. Those drops could have been costly. Obviously, it didn't cost you this game. but listen the Broncos win the game

we need to talk about Josh Allen Oh we need to talk Josh Allen Hey um four four to five They had four of their five

turnovers Yeah I mean two interceptions Two fumble The fumble What are you doing carrying the ball Like that old Joe

Come on Come on man You know He should know better than that Take a knee He's fast And get your ass In the locker room

Yeah he's fast But he's not that fast to not think pursuit is right there to have the ball holding it like a loaf of goddamn bread. Like this was supposed to be the bill's year. I said it multiple times because he didn't have to deal with Pat Mahomes, his kryptonite. He didn't have to deal with Lamar Jackson. He didn't have to deal with Joe Burrow.

And he's the best quarterback. He was the best quarterback remaining on the AFC. He's out. But there's nobody, he's better than C.J. Stroud. He's better than Drake. He was the best remaining quarterback in the AFC. and he gagged. Yeah.

And I told you at the beginning of season, Buffalo, y'all need to have some questions about Sean McDermott. Whoa, wait. We can't, we can't blame McDermott. We can't blame McDermott.

We can't blame McDormant after that performance by 17. So what about those before? What about the previous six game when Josh Allen didn't have any turnovers? And you still lost. Okay. Talk to me now. I mean, at least John Harbaugh,

he got to a Super Bowl and won it. Mike Tomlin got to, two one one. I mean, we got to have some conversation. It's just not good. Oh, Joe, you had the best quarterback. You're the only one that had an MVP quarterback. As a matter of fact,

nobody else had an MVP quarterback in the postseason. You're the only one. Hey, he put up a stinker. Yeah, and I'm trying to figure out the way you're running the football. Why you got Josh Allen throwing them all 39 times? James Cook got 24 carries for a buck 17. He's averaging basically four, five yards of carry.

Josh Allen got averaging five and a half yards of carry. And you're throwing the ball. So, yeah, so I got a question. You think, you think it's time for a new voice over there in before you? I think they're going to have a serious discussion. I think the Pagulas are going to have a serious discussion with themselves. They got to ask themselves some, some questions.

Because are you, are, I mean, think about it. are you closer? Are you closer? Remember, you got to the FC championship game last year. They put all this technology in to make sure because, oh, he got it. No, he didn't get it. Now they got this technology. When everything removed, when they had removed the hedge from around you for you to go, ain't no Pat Mahon. You don't have to go to Kansas City. You don't have to deal with Burroughs. You didn't have to deal with Lamar. you beat Lamar.

But those are guys that are, Lamar is a two-time MVP. Joe Burr is going to your building and beat you. He's gone to Pat Mahon's building and beat him. He was, you know, a couple of plays away from winning a Super Bowl. He's removed. The guy has gone to five Super Bowls,

one three in the MVP, league MVP. He's gone. And the guy in his second year, what are we doing here? The funny thing about it, if there was a year for Buffalo to make it to the Super Bowl. Yes.

This was it. So I don't understand what happened in the game like today. You need Josh Allen to be what we most of it. We call him. We give him that moniker as being Superman because he does less with more. I mean, he does more with less. This is the game. He put up a snicker.

He played bad. There's if and's buts about it. How about this, Ocho? Bill's in the postseason under Sean McDermott. lost the wild card game round to Houston, lost the championship in the championship game to KC, lost the divisional to KC, lost the divisional to Cincinnati,

lost the divisional to KC, lost the championship to KC, lost the divisional to Denver. You think about some of those turnovers on? You think about... I'm like, well, who was that? But you think about some of those turnovers on? I think the game changes because some of those are points.

Yeah, for sure. Some of those are points, and it takes away your opportunity, your chances to win a game of this magnitude where points at a premium. Every series counts. Every time we have the ball, it counts. And the fact that they only lost by three with five turnovers let you know that the opportunity slip right between their fingers. Oh, Cho, all you got to do is take a knee, going at the half.

Now you kick it instead of tie the game to going over. time you're kicking the game to win it. Come on, man. Sometimes you can be too cute. Sometimes you can get greedy. They got greedy. We got Josh Allen. We got two timeouts.

Let's see what we can do. He didn't protect the ball. Benito did a great job, stripping him from behind. Then Benito did another job. He hit him in his back. He fumbled that ball. Denver should have put that game away early. When Benito hit him in his back,

they got the ball at the 19 yard line. You get two yards. I thought Sean called the game conservative at that point. No, I'm going for you. I'm going for your throat. Yeah. That's what I'm doing. I, I, I got to, I'm going to end it.

Can you imagine, if the score is, instead of 20 to 10, the score is 24 or 27 to 10? Now, we've got a whole different ball game. Ball game. But McMillan, that DB, 29, he made the play of the game. Yes, sir. Chat, I know y'all say that was a catch.

You should have been down. Let me explain to you. It's called a Calvin Johnson rule. If a receiver catches the football and he in turn goes to the ground, he must maintain possession of the football throughout the entirety of the act called catching the football. I don't know how. Let me explain it again. If a receiver catches the football and he goes to the ground, he must maintain possession of the football throughout the entirety of the Kent to make a long story short and I made a long story long and I made a short

story long. He goes to the ground. He needs to get his ass up and hand the ball to the official. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's like... It's called the Calvin Johnson rule. Yeah. Yeah, basically when he was playing Chicago, remember? And that was a catch.

They called the ball and tried to get up. And they challenged it. Using the ball to get up. And they won. I know I forget. And obviously when I saw it, most of the time, I call it somewhat of a bang, bang,

play in a sense where you have to maintain possession of the play. And through the play where possessions is supposed to be maintained, McMan, he took the ball away from you. He took the ball, he took the ball away from you. That was obviously the play of the game. Because they had the 20-yard line, they're going to kick a field goal and win it. Yeah.

Exactly. So, I mean, it is tough. then I hate, I don't know, can I say this? I tweeted this as well. It's with a game like this, as close as it was, I hate for the refs to be the one to be. They're going to be maligned, but it was the right, Ocho is the right call.

By the P.I. The P.I. The P.I. It was P.I. And they missed the other one earlier. Earlier, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we pulled his arm back. They missed one. They were PIs.

It wasn't like, man, I don't think that was a PI. It was an obvious PI. They missed one earlier. And they let them play for the most part. Hey, yeah. You heard what you just said? They let him play for the most part. But I would love something to distance.

If you're going to let them play early in the game. We can't let you get that agree with it, though, Ocho. Yeah, it was agree. True Davis was a little early. I wish he would have looked back for the ball. He patted it. He patted. He got beat off the line.

You get beat off the line of scrimmage, and then you weren't. hurry up mode trying to catch up. What's the first thing you do? If that receiver slowed down, then you can't run up his back. You're going to run right up his back. Bo, that's supposed to be a walk-off touchdown.

But Bo didn't trust himself. So he put it up there, knowing Mims was going to have to slow down and know White was going to run up his back. That's a touchdown. That's a walk-off touchdown. That's supposed to end the game. All he's supposed to do is let Mims run up.

Woo-woo. Yeah. I just hate the fact. I know it was P.I. But I hate the fact that, it came down to the yellow flag. I hate that the end of the game and the game's decision making

ended up on the rest flag. It was PI. I'm not not not not not I saying it wasn't I just hate that it ended the way it did. I do I do. But I can see Ocho if it wasn't like it was kind of like when you had the conversation of our first year old nightcap

with the Eagles and KC man man you can't throw the flag the man came and told you Bradford the fore and said, I held him. I was beat. So the man telling you is held him. Even the official, when he explained it to the pool reporters,

what we saw is the guy gets beat, he's pulling away, and the guy, he's about the option away, and he tugs him. Bradford came, he said, I did it. I was hoping they didn't see it.

And Philly fans still, and everybody talked about what they shouldn't have called it. The man, Ocho, so if a man, I robbed that bank. I took that $15 million. Man, he ain't do it.

They shouldn't even arrest that man. He told you he did it. And he got the money to show you. You saw the man grab Juju Jersey. All he had, like you said, they missed the first PI. That really should have been PI. And they didn't call.

I'm like, well, damn. Are y'all not going to call PI today? So Sean said, you know what? let's dial it up again. Let's see either we're going to get a completion or we're going to force them to call it. One or the other. And especially that situation,

that timing of the game, once I saw, once I saw White get beat off that. And then a bomb list. You ain't got no, Elcho. He ain't got no help. He already know.

At all. I got to get on my horse. I got to get on my horse. And the funny thing about it is would make some of the greatest D.Bs in the NFL, in the NFL when you're in an in that, no, a bad situation. Oh, there we go.

When you had a disadvantage like that, when you get beat, can I still remain calm and collective when the ball is in the air and still be able to play the ball even though the man is in front of it? Oh, Joe? That's hard to do, boy. It's even harder when you're in overtime. So just to imagine that's all. In first quarter, second quarter, maybe there's a chance.

Now, if next score, if next score win, they have had the ball, we've had the ball. They score, they win. So now it ain't like the fourth quarter. Okay, our offense get a chance. They can go down and redeem this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No.

And when I looked, I was like, oh, he opened. And I saw him throwing, I say, why would you throw the ball like that? When you're not confident, Ocho, and you don't want to overshoot him? Yes, sir. You try to just get him to the ball. knowing that he's going to, because I can see the ball, Ocho, I see the ball.

The D.B. not looking back because he's in such a hurry to catch up with me. He's just going to run. It's just like you, when you're not paying attention, you run slam in the back of somebody. Where if you pay attention, you don't run in the back of nobody. You're filling down with your phone or you go to answer your phone and you go to train. Bam, oh, man, what happened? You're a ran dead in the back of somebody, Ocho. but it was it was it man Ocho.

I think we got the record. 119.7 decibel. That's a lot. A, that plays with crazy. Yes. As check that. 119.7. I think we took that thing back from,

from Seattle or Kansas City. I don't know. I think we got 119 unless somebody got more than 119. It's ours now. I know, Kansas City or Kansas City or C, Canada City or Seattle might have hired in 119.

I could be wrong, but them two stadiums there when it comes to that crime. Seattle get loud. Well, you can't hear nothing for it. See, I was getting back tracking stuff like that when it was in like the Kingdom or the Astrodome when it was old, the House of Pain.

That's what you used to call the Astrodome, Astrodome, the House of Pain or the King Dome or some of these old, but they didn't keep track of it back then. Here's Sean McDermott. that controversial call. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the mailroom podcast.

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But I'm saying it because I'm standing up for Buffalo, damn it. I'm standing up for us. Because what went on is not, that is not how it should go down in my estimation. That plays, these guys spend three hours out there playing football, pouring their guts out, to not even say, hey, let's just slow this thing down. That's why I'm bothered. No, in my eyes it was. Yes, in my eyes it was.

Now, which players he talked about the interception? The play the Cooks in which McMillan took it out of his hands. Listen, Mr. McDermott has been around the game of football for a very long time. Mr. Dernan understands the rules when it comes to the game of football. Even watching from the sideline, you had a field side, you have an eye view of what's going on. You know that's the interception. I'm a receiver. Even I understand that you have to have position to the catch and maintain it and get up with the ball.

Because he went, if he doesn't go to the ground, it's a catch. But once you go to the ground on, Cho, you must maintain if the dad's Brian. Dad's Brian is the, who did it? Green Bay game. He went to the ground. No, the moment you go to the ground. So let that chat. If you can, if you, hey, I don't know.

what your rules are in the Turkey League or your flag football league. But if you catch a football and you go to the ground, you got to maintain possession of the football throughout the act of the catch. And Buffalo, it's hard. But you know, McMillam, as he was going down, McMillan was pulling the ball. That's why he was able to come up with it. Yeah, that's a bang, bang play.

going to the ground. I mean, the receiver, you want to do the best you can to grab that thing and have strong hands. But obviously, you out here. You out here with it. So it's hard to bring that in. And because you're out here and you're exposed, you don't have much strength because it's not close to your body. And because when he turned, made a stronger man. Because when you turn, Ocho, you bring the DB into play now. Now he got, now he can do this, and his momentum is carrying him over. So he's going to pull it out.

Yeah, every time. But think about it. He pulled it out and held on to it. A lot of times we see it pull out and it's incomplete. Yeah. But the hair to play before. See, if Cooks was a hands catcher, he'd caught that one on the sideline.

Remember, he jumped up and caught it with his body. He got his foot down and then he tried to brace himself and his hand touched down out of bounds. Yeah. He caught it with his hands. he got both feet down and bound. You have to understand where you are on the field. But I thought, look, if I'm Buffalo,

I'm definitely bringing cooks back. Because I think he played, I thought he played really well. I mean, also he just got there like two days ago. Yeah, he ain't been that long. He ain't been that long. But even if you don't bring cooks back, you think about some of the options, some of the options that you have,

there might be a shake-up. There might be a shake-up with someone that's down there in Philly who might be a viable option to come in as your number one, who would be tremendous to have for Josh Allen to have a, what I like to consider a true number one. Chat, y'all know exactly where I'm going with this. You never know what can happen in regards to people, talk about cap hits and all that.

I'm not sure if you're following the game of football long enough. NFL teams don't care. by no cap hits. They'll make it work. NFL team don't care, nothing about no cap hits or how high it is. They don't care not by that, especially when situations have deteriorated

as much as they have this year over there with some of the issues that they had. So I think they're probably going to move on from one of the best in the game, and there's a good chance he might end up in Buffalo. Oh, Cho, pool report reasoning. Question, what did you see on the past of Brandon Cook that was ruled an interception

by Jaquan McMillan? Carl Chephyrs, who's the referee. The receiver has to complete the process of the catch. He's going to the ground. As part of the process, the catch, he lost possession of the ball when he hit the ground. The defender gained possession of it at that point. The defender is the one that completed the process of the catch, so the defender was awarded the ball.

Wester, did the ball hit the ground? No, that was confirmed in the replay process. The interception was confirmed. Now, he is an official. Now, I just told you the rule. I told you the root. I tweeted. I said,

this is what has to happen. When you go, chat, it's the last time Ocho and I was going to explain it to you. Ocho is a receiver. I'm the D.B. Ocho jumps up and catches the ball.

If he stays on his feet, we good. But if Ocho goes to the ground and in the process of going to the ground, we hit the ground simultaneous, and he loses possession, and I come up with the ball, it's my ball.

I completed the process, not Ocho. Ocho started the process. I appreciate him for doing that. I completed the process. That's my ball. Right. Also, chat, with this hypothetical scenario that Unc just created, if he was a D.B.

And I was a receiver, I would have scored a touchdown. That would have been a difference. I ain't let you off the, I ain't let you off. I ain't let you out. Ocho. And they know this. In overtime, everything is replayed. All scorer.

Because they didn't want people challenging it. A touchdown. Somebody had to burn a challenge flag because they thought it was a touchdown. Or that was a fumble or that was this. They said, you know what? We're going to let you save your challenges. The mere fact, it was a change of possession.

They replay it. I don't know why Sean McDermott burned a time out. They replayed it. It was a turnover. All scoring and change of possession plays or automatically revoked. Yeah.

Yeah. And then, and then, and then to know the rules as a head case and still, you have to, excuse me, you got to fight for your team.

You got to stick up for your team, but like, come on there. You know, come on, Ms. McDermott. You know, that once Brandon Cook goes to the ground, he was maintained possession. If he had maintained possession,

what that would have meant, Ocho? Mac Miller wouldn't have had the ball. How you have something in your possession, and then I got it in my position. Right. And then, you know, some people aren't even going to listen. No. Some people aren't going to listen.

You know the people that are not going to listen, the people that are Buffalo failed. Oh, Shadda, you just saying that, you're just saying that because your team won. No, I'm saying that because that's the rules. I just happen to know the rules. I mean, I mean, I would, I would, look, and I get it. And in situations, Ocho and I talk about, talk about, talk about a little earlier is that PIs are really hard, but they become excruciatingly hard

the later you get to the game because you feel like that might have influenced to have some impact on the game. Yeah, I hate that. But ask yourself, Buffalo fans, if the guy had Deere and Shakira like that, would you have wanted that play call? Yes or no?

Yeah. How about your quarterback? Hold on to the foot. How about your quarterback, not try to throw down the scene and read the backside safety? Right. Josh Allen, I mean, for the mere fact that you was even in the game, y'all, I mean, you play probably any other team. You lose it. You're in a situation like, you're in a situation like San Fray and Seattle.

Oh, game over. Game over. Four, four turns. Yes. Five. Five, excuse me, you do realize the goddamn Seahawks capitalize off every turn on the night. Every last one. And the thing, this game was about, boy, this game was about to get out of hand.

It was seven, three, Devere did didn't do anything. They got the ball back, and they're going right back down the field. If Singleton put a hit on James Cook, yeah. Take it. I mean, he and picked him up off his feet. And I think, a Huff was right there, Johnny, on the spot. And they go right back down the field and they get a touchdown. But this thing was about, like, oh, it's about to be 14 to 3.

There are no inconsequential plays come postseason. Every play matters. Every play matters. And people don't, well, that ain't no one play. Because it's only, it's like four or five plays to actually determine the outcome of the game. every time it's four or five plays you can go back and look in the postseason it's because every play is it's it's very very important you just track it back we make this we do this but that was an interception they reviewed it

i don't know i need talking about where they should take a little bit more time how much time you want them to take. It doesn't, it don't change the, oh, if they took, you know what, they just came back from the review. It was an interception. It doesn't matter how long it takes. It doesn't change the outcome.

No. Mm-mm. And some people, I'm reading the chat as we sit here talking, some people still, still not listening. He hit the ground with the ball. I mean, like, he did, but it, so let me ask you question. If the ball, let me ask you question,

he catches the football. He hits the ground and the ball pops out. Is that a catch? Why isn't the catch? He hit the ground with the ball. Mm-hmm. If Ocho, I can't read the chat. But Ocho's saying he's reading the chat.

He's saying he hit the ground with the ball. So if he hits the ground with the ball and the ball pops out, what is that? Incomplete. Okay. Go to the ground as the receiver. You must maintain possession of the football. He goes to the ground. He didn't maintain possession.

You know why? because McMillan took it from him. Yeah. And Carl Chafferner's and Carl Chafferriss told you. It was the DB that completed the process of going to the ground and coming up with the football.

Oh, yeah. The difference is McMillan was down by contact because Cook had touched it. If not, he could have got up and ran. Yeah. I mean, it, listen, it sucks. It sucks. It's like, it's like,

you get your girl. pregnant. And she wait, Oh, she waited three or four weeks to tell you. Why didn't you tell me? It wasn't going to change

anything. I'm still pregnant. It doesn't change nothing. So if I had told you in March, instead of telling you April, what would that have changed? I'm still pregnant.

So if they take 30 minutes, they take 45 minutes, they take an hour to review that call is still an interception is still the Broncos ball. No matter what.

What? No matter what. I get it. I get it. This was supposed to be your year because all the stumbling blocks, all the things that have stopped you in previous years, removed, mainly Joe Burrell and Patrick Mahomes. Those two have been removed.

And now you let us say, your quarterback come in and. That's why I'm a firm believer in letting a coach pick his quarterback. Sean didn't want Russ. I don't believe he had. to belittle Russ like he did in Detroit. And so, hold on who's, I was talking about. Not to get off track.

Oh, you know, we were talking about A.J. Brown. They're talking about A.J. Brown to do too big of a cap hit dead money. I said, is he more or less than what Russell Wilson was on the cap? I mean, if he ain't 85 million. I don't, I don't think people understand how this business works on. I don't, I don't think they do because the first thing they do is they, and they, NFL teams do not care about that day of cap big money. They don't.

When things have deteriorated, the relationships, the distractions, as they so call them, when it gets to the point where it is now, there's no going back. There's no going back. And obviously, it's the Eagles fans. Listen, you love AJ. You love what he stands for. You love what he's done for the organization. But it's tough, man.

It's tough. He's not happy. And the report is that he had requested a trade. I don't know if that's true. Some reports could be erroneous and some can be have some. There might be a little truth in it. There's a little truth even in the line. Oh, wait, it depends who it came from.

It depends where the rumor came from. And if it's anonymous and someone that is somewhat of a credible source says it, it's coming from somewhere. Yes. It's coming from somewhere. They reviewed it. Oh, man. The NFL record decibel level is,

Arrowhead Stadium fans reached 142.2. Wow. I told me. I knew, I knew it was either Kansas City or Seattle was one of the other. Oh, Joe, I don't know. That thing was like loud. So that's, that's 23 short. Yeah.

Yeah. You, you, I mean, oh, you played in Kansas City. Oh, Kansas City and Denver was the too loudest stadiums I ever played in. Yeah. And it's just what happened, you know, With my home in Kansas City, we played, you know, we played that every year. We played it every year for 12 years. So I got 12 trips to go.

Well, I got 13 because we played them in the playoffs one year. Yeah. I only had one trip. And that one trip there, I was like, I never, never experienced nothing like this. And I'm like, I'm curious, all fans, they sit in the stadium, they all scream, they all cheer, they all boo, whatever it may be. And I'm thinking, well, maybe it's the way the stadium is built. Why is it that this stadium in particular sounds,

so much different than everyone else. I mean, it's, I mean, when it's so loud and I got to, right, and you sitting right next to me. That's all. And you can't, you can't, I can't hear what you say it unless I, yeah. That's when you know it's loud. This thing, it was, it was crazy. But I'm glad Carl Chepers and normally the referee meet with pool reporters and they ask any controversial call or what this, X, Y, MZ.

And he explained it. to him. Possession of the football, receiver goes to the ground. He must maintain possession of the football throughout the entirety of the act of catching the football. He did not. And y'all know it. So hopefully, Ocho and I explained that to you guys really, really well, because I don't really know what else to stay. Ocho, obviously, emotions were extremely high in the bill's locker room after the game. Here's Josh Allen and Dionne Dawkins after the game. That's extremely difficult. I feel like I, yeah, feel like I let my teammates down tonight.

He said he feels like he let you guys stay. How do you react when you're a quarterback who's done so much for you says that to you guys? Let us down. I love that. I love that emotion. Huh? Because you know why I love it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because I know how much they invested into them. This is the kind of emotion that. when you invest into it. Your relationship is ending after five, 10, 15 years. That's that hurt, boy. Your child is, after everything that you've done and you've invested so much

and they get sidetracked temporarily, that thing hurts. Yeah. I've been there, Josh. I've been there, Dion. Bro, don't let nobody are a big grown-ass, man. Because everybody's going to say, man, if I'm making 40, 30, 40, bitch you bill,

I don't care. But see, the funny thing about it is, people can't see the money. People can't see the money, but they don't understand all the work that you put in to be able to make that kind of money. A lot of sacrifice. Training camp,

all season program, hours and hours and countless hours of practice and film and studying, rehab. They don't understand everything that goes. People, fans of the game, they get to see the finished product go out there on Sunday. They don't understand the work you got to put in before Sunday gets down.

Do you know how long it took them to get there? That's why. That's what it is. Think about how long it took them to get there. I mean, from the time a lot of these guys been playing football from the time they was seven, eight, nine years old. This is a lifetime of devotion. This is a lifetime of dedication.

And I'm so close. I can see it. I'm so close. I can see it, Ocho. And every single year, this is, and it doesn't get even. easier. I want you to know, disappointment does not get easier. It doesn't. Even if you've had disappointment one year after the next, it doesn't get easier. It doesn't. As a matter of fact, it gets harder because as you suffer these disappointment as the years go by, you realize I've got

you less years to do this. Oh, yeah. Oh, that window of opportunity is small, huh? That window of opportunity in the NFL in general is small. And then you have to maximize the opportunities to make the playoffs or be able to make that run at getting the Lombardi. You were afforded opportunities for a while in your career. That's very fortunate. I want three and four years. Hey, imagine being on my end.

No, I don't know. You know, going into each season hoping, at least just hoping to have a winning season. You got anything about no Lombardi. Shit, I'm trying, can we, can we have a win season first? Yeah, let's, let's win. Let's get to the playoffs. And then maybe I can shift my focus. Because right now, I can't really see paths out.

I can't see that far down the road, don't you? It's dark and I ain't got no headlights on. Yeah. Amen. But the raw, like I said, chat. And just, I'm not, just, let's like remove yourself if you've never been an athlete or, but I'm saying just imagine the thing that you poured the most into the thing that you sacrificed the most and it didn't go your way maybe you didn't get the job maybe you didn't get into the school that you

wanted maybe you didn't get the grades that you wanted maybe you didn't get the promotion that you wanted you know what the funny thing about it is is everybody can be able to have a sense of how Dion Dawkins is feeling or how Josh Allen is feeling simply because maybe Maybe if you didn't play sports, hell, it could be a relationship. You think about the years and the time you spent, you know, investing in something and not getting that return on it. And then it ending and you're sitting there wondering, like, well, God damn, what did everything go wrong? What did I do? What could I have done differently?

Better. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's the thing. It's the lifetime of regret that you look back at like what. Because nobody's going to, nobody remembers all the great Superman, the Herkulean play that Josh Allen's made. No.

All they remember the man, I remember him in the divisional round. He turned the ball over four times. He had gone six games. He had turned the ball over. 16 total touchdowns, zero turnovers. And then today, he had four. They had five turnovers in front of that. You have five turnovers and still, I had to take a field goal in overtime to beat you,

less you know you're close. But close only matters if you throw a grenades and you're slow dancing. And if there's a chaperone there, you're not going to be able to get that close. I like that. I ain't never heard that one. It's tough, man. I know how Josh been feeling. Because, boy, I felt the same way when we lost the Jacksonville.

That exactly, exactly. And I held it together when I was on camera. But when I got in a car, you let it out, huh? As a matter of fact, my girl, she didn't even ride home with me. right home with your mom. Damn. Because I already know I would be able to go together. Yeah, you want to see you vulnerable, huh?

Hey, it's okay to cry? I know it is. Hey, I didn't see. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't because I had put so much blame on me. I had dropped the two-point conversion. I had dropped the crucial third down.

I had put so much on me. Yeah. I couldn't let her see me break down because I know I was going to break down. It's okay to be vulnerable, huh? See, I'd be crying on the show live in front of everybody. I don't be can. That's, uh, yeah, I'm just like, and plus, I just wanted to talk, I just wanted to talk to my brother.

I just needed to hear his voice because he's, he's that soothing. He's that calm. Then let me know it's okay. Yeah. And that's, that's what I got. So what Josh is feeling, what Dion Doggson is feeling, I felt the same thing. I was just able to keep it.

I was just able to hold it together. on camera, but trust me, when I got in that car, yeah. Damn, uh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry about that, man. Boy. I mean, you play shitty, boy. Yeah, I caught a touchdown, Ocho. I'm feeling good, Ocho. Call, put emotion, went down to, ah.

I was like, you know, I read, I put a move on the motion. Yeah. Got up to sleep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Call like a 20-something yard, 27-yard touchdown. We were height. Go back down the field, score. again two points because we kick two field goal then we got to touchdown and the mic said we got to we're going for two going for two yeah oh man

i still don't you drop it hey you sorry man that's exactly sorry wrong what i say the mind replayed with the heart can't delete i was heartbroken i'm on that i replayed that over and over i mean i mean think about it i mean i won three super bowl i was a multiple times pro pro pro pro pro pro football hall of fame every state that i've ever lived in i'm in that i'm in the sports hall of fame i'm in the division two hall of fame in a black college hall of fame that play damn that play i still think about it and don't worry about it now boy that was a long time ago it is i mean sometimes i find myself i mean you know i just be i find myself just thinking like Damn.

Whatever. But then I flip sides to with Shannon, that was the catalyst for you guys to go get back to back. But then I start talking to burns. I started talking, man, man, we, you know we should have three-peated. Then all of a sudden, all those emotions that I felt so many, many years ago start coming back.

Ain't back. Damn. I, man, I try to be. I, oh, sure. And that's, I think that's one of my problem because I try to be, I try to be a perfectionist. I try to do every single thing right. Yes.

And I try to do, I try to take every step to make sure it's right. And when it's not, boy, it'll hurt. You got to understand, but you're human, man,

you're human. As much as we want to be perfect and all that we do. Yes. Yes. My sister tell me that all the time, much. Yeah, human error is inevitable.

No matter how much we try to perfect our craft, a perfect the way we walk, you know, in the steps of the big man upstairs. Man, we, we, we all backslide at some point. We all fall short at some point. And then the thing is, I go to, I go to Baltimore, and I'm known as a Jaguar killer. Two game winning tough guys against them jokers. Set up another game when a key field goal. Yeah.

I was like, okay. Yeah, okay, okay, Jaguar. I like that. Oh, Joe. Okay. Hey, hey, y'all. Yeah, yeah. I declawed him.

Give them cloth. You can't do nothing. Who are the claws? I don't know. I declawed him. Let me stop for, you know, Peter will be talking all crazy, reckless.

They got mad at Kim Kardashian because you wouldn't bought some dogs and didn't go to the pound. Uh, Ocho. Yeah. We're going to put this loss on, Josh? Uh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Uh, we, and we, And we put it on every other quarterback when they lose. This is on John. We gave a ton of credit last week against Jagged, did we, Joe? A game a lot. Game a lot. The on us on that win was Josh Allen.

So the on us on this loss is on Josh Allen. He didn't have four turnovers. He played like doo-doo, boy. He played like, dude. I ain't talking about any kind of doo-doo. I'm talking about like diarrhea, like slippery. Yeah, like, like messy. Hey, tonight, bad from 17, boy.

You know, and I'm, you know, I'm not one to really criticize, but I've gotten better at being able to express myself when someone doesn't play up the par. Based on the standards of being a MVP, caliber quarterback, and not having to deal with your nemesis. No, he ain't no MVP, Calabular quarterback. He had an MVP. He got it.

He got the award last year, remember? Okay, my bad. I bet. You ain't no caliber. Right, right. Yeah. Hey, boy. And you know who Mr. Hanky is?

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Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. Tonight, bro. Oh, Cho. Yeah. We're going to talk about the Texas Patriots game of the bit, but first it's time to welcome Broncos cornerback, Jaquan McMillan. Jay Mack, walk us through that play because I know your heart was beating fast. You let Brandon Cook kind of get behind you.

Like, oh, my goodness. We had the ball first. If he catches this ball, they're at the 20-yard line. They're in field goal range, considering Matt Prater kicked for almost a decade in Denver, and he had just made a 50-yard field goal to send it to overtime. So you're like, okay, walkers through that play, what's going through your mind? Because you look up and you see the ball. Take it from there.

Yeah, man. Who was actually in zero? We had zero coverage. Yep. And I see Josh Adelight. hand and kind of bring to like a 20 look which they'll a protection look and um and I'm just thinking of my head like oh man like okay they gotta pick up you know they better pick up the blitz so I kind of back up a little bit

it was like third and ten it was like third and ten so I'm right at the sticks I'm playing at the sticks I know I got yeah droppers at the hook but you know they ain't really ain't really gonna help you know what I'm saying right so I'm playing sticks he he's running and he kept going, so I just kind of gave him a little jab and running. That's how he had me by, like, a yard or two. He kind of under through it. And, you know, I'm just running, running. And I try not to panic, man.

I didn't panic. I seen his eyes getting big, and I'm like, okay, the ball is in the air. So once he starts snowing down, okay, I'm like, now I'm like, okay, the ball is underthrown. So now I'm just playing through his hands. I'm just waiting on the ball to drop. So I'm like really having my hands, you know, through his hands. And once he had it at first coming down and then once I got my hand on the ball, I'm falling with him.

And once we feel together, he lost control. And I just ganked out of his hands. I mean, because you're like, you say, okay, I'm playing through his hands. And Ocho and I was talking about this. A receiver, sometimes they give it away. Right. They give a tail away. Yeah.

A receiver with late hands is very difficult for you because he'll wait to the last second and pluck it. Right. Some guys can keep their eyes, like, no, I'm like, damn, when is the ball coming? And next thing, you know it's in his arm. A lot of guys can't control their eyes. It's just like, oh, my goodness. And the eyes get bigger.

And you're like, okay, the ball's in the air. Like you said, the ball's in the air. So now you're playing through his hands. You're like, okay, I got the ball. He got the ball. But the problem is he falls, you fall on top of him and pull it. Yeah. Did you know, did you think, like, what are they going to call?

Are they going to give me the interception? Are they going to say he's down by contact? Are they going to say incomplete? What is your thought process? What's going through your head? Play every scenario. What you're thinking? Yeah, man.

Once I came up, once I had the ball in my hand, I kind of rode on top of them. I get up and I'm holding the ball in the air. And you can see in a video, I'm looking at the back judge, like, okay, what you're going to call? Once I see him doing this and point the other direction, I'm going to get into the end zone. I'm about to celebrate.

So once I see him do that, it was over with. The funny thing about it, too, is there's been so much controversy about that play. A lot of people saying that, obviously the bills got hold because the play call was wrong. But obviously what happens is, is there was a smooth transition from him catching and you coming up with the ball

to where the call was made the right way. The call was made the right way. In order to have a completed catch, the person has to come down with the ball, secure the ball, and be able to get up with said ball. And that was you who got it with the ball. So I'm not sure how the people don't understand the rules. and one of the things that that that kind of gets everybody upset is because tonight we had something very similar with Devante Adams and there's no consistency with plays that are like that.

So I think that's where the confusion comes in that. It's just they, the refs, they have to find some of the competition committee, whoever it is. They need to find a way to have the calls always remain consistent based on the rules that those that have already played the game, no, and were able to call right away when you got the interception. Did you know? Jay Mack, did you know the rules that if a receiver catches the football goes to the ground, he must survive the contact from the ground and possess the football? Because you survived the, you, he caught it, you took it, survived the contact from the ground and got up with the ball. That's the way Carl Chaffer's.

That's where all the referees that have been going on shows explained it. It's like, yes, there was a transition that on the way down that the DB, took the ball. He survived the contact from the ground and got up with the ball. So what we have is an interception. It can't beat anything but an interception. What did

VJ? What did Vance tell you? Because I know he was like, oh my goodness, we just went bomb blitz. We just blew it up. They max protect because like you said, they went 20 protection. They brought two extra guys in. So now whatever you come with, they can pick it up. They got seven protectors. Yeah. They got enough to hold

it off because, you know, hey, you go here, you go here. They always go in the bomb situation, they always go send one player deep. At least one. You and you're like, hold on, wait a minute. Damn, they can pick this up. Oh, Lord, have mercy. Jesus. I'm like by myself and this guy can still run. He might not run four three like he did coming out, but he can still get on the hole.

He was running. He was running, but Vijay came to me. He was just excited, man. He was like, hey man. you made a play, which you always do, man. I always, you know, come up in the clutch time I made the plate, man. It was just crazy, man.

But, Matt, it's, people don't understand. It's a whole different animal playing the slot as opposed to because the slot, he can go across the field. It's a lot more space. He can start in and come back out. He can start out, come back in. He can go up the scene.

He can go far across. He can go sail. He can go stop. He can do so many things. And like you're playing like you're based on formation, down in distance, or where he is on the field. So you've studied the game like,

okay, in this formation, this down and distance, this area of the field, he likes to run this. And so you kind of play, but you can't get too aggressive because if he optioned away from you, you're out of position. Oh yeah, like I said, we had two hook droppers.

You can see in a video, you see Nick Benito, he dropped. So I'm like, okay, even though we're in zero, I can line up, like head up to outside. Right. Okay. In a slide, you always, you got to pick a leverage because you get two-way go.

You got to make sure you know, okay, he can't come this way. And if he go this way, okay, I'm already caught. I'm already open to run. So that's what I would. I was head up to outside. Yeah. If they do anything quick, I knew I had my help defending, low help defend on the hook. So he kept running.

You know, I just played outside leverage and gave him a little jab. And I just ran with him. Just ran. And like I said, he just played through his hand, man. But he was rolling, man. He was rolling. He was a little bit on throwing, slow down a little bit. That kind of helped me.

But he just made a play. But he showed you the ball also. Ocho and I was talking about it last night. If he let that ball kind of like what Marvin Mims, Marvin let the ball go over. So now you've got to run through him. He opened up and allowed you. He kind of jumped in the air.

He kind of jumped in the air. So it came, like, it helped me. Yes. Because, oh, you know, we talked about a lot of times when guys jump up in the air, that's like guys punch it out because you got no leverage. You're not grounded. Yeah. That's why it's so easy to get the ball out when the guy's up in the air.

You see guys try to go up over a running back or a wide receiver try to go up. It's easier because they don't have no stability. They're not on the ground. Yeah. And you said when he jumps up, okay, now he ain't as strong as he would be if he was on the ground. He was on the ground. Yep. And plus, he got to, I know one thing.

If you play basketball, I know the guy. he's got to bring the ball up. So he got to bring it to me. Well, he got to bring it down because he's going to try to get it to his body. That's the opportunity. You bring it to your body? Yeah.

I'm going to shoot through and I'm going to get it. Yeah, that's exactly what I did. Once he came down with that mug, I'm already in his pocket. You in between, yes. Yeah, I'm already in the pocket. So he brought the football to me. And I just fell with him and ripped that thing out.

Go ahead, Ocho. Now, in those pressure situations like that, especially understanding it's cover zero, you on an island all by yourself. Most of the time, the ball got to come out short, but you got your hook. You got your hooks coming in a, coming to help you out, right? Most of the ball, the ball got to come out fast. Even though he had that step on you and you got to play catch up, how do you stop yourself from panicking in situations like that where you know you beat?

Because that's the hardest thing for DBs is when you know you got to catch up, you lose all technique and all you're doing is just running and just going. How were you able to keep yourself in a relaxed mind state to make that play you did make? Just reading him the receiver. Just reading him.

Once he slowed down, I knew the ball was short. So I had to adjust to that. And you can see in the video, I kind of like, once he slowed down, I see them jumping, I kind of turned my head a little bit. Yeah.

And got my hand up in there. But, man, it's practice. It just takes practice, you know, the reader receiver and that's what, that's how you stay calm just in the moments. Yeah, it's one thing to say it, right? It's one thing to say it, but you know, I'm talking about, in practice,

in practice, it's easy to stay calm and relax. But in the game time, you know, shoot, man, shit. But you see it all the time, boy, every, every Sunday. We always, we always talk. We always talk. to like force the receiver to make the catch. You know what I'm saying? Fight them all the way to the ground.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I did. Just fight them all the way to the ground. And, you know, the ball just so happened to be in my hand, but I was going to get the ball out regardless. That's what I'm saying. I was going to get the ball out regardless. Jay Mack, but here's the difference between practice in the game

because in practice is quiet. And you hear them say, ball, ball, ball, ball, you start looking. Yeah. You can't hear itish in the game. Yeah. They can be screaming, ball, ball, ball, ball, ball. You ain't going to hear you. You don't hear nothing.

You know how they're not here. They're by and who up BJ's, because you don't hear a feed. Yeah. But it's just reading, like I said, he's just reading the receiver, man. He's going to tell you when the ball is right there. And he jumped up in the air.

He gave me all the signs that the ball was right there. So, yeah. Yeah. Did you watch any of today's game between the Patriots and the Texans? Yeah. Yeah. what do you what do you what do you what do you what do you what do you what do you what do you

got to come there obviously we've got everybody knows bo necks is done for the year you're going with your backup jared stidham who at one point in time he was a start he started from patriots started for the raiders so now he's been i think he's been there for like three years i think he's been there two or three years so you know what you go you know what you're going up against you're going to have to do what you've done all year play to your strength but you're going to have to do you know help your young quarterback out. Man, yeah, they got a good quarterback, good run game.

They roll off the run game, a runoff play action. We got a decent receiver cord, man. But I haven't watched too much. I just watched the game, so I don't really know too much about them. But from based on who I see, I got a good run game,

it's kind of helping them, you know, in the past game. You like watching, you, if I'm playing a team, if I know that team is on our schedule, I can't watch them on TV copy because I would get a false sense. If they played bad, I was like, oh, yeah,

we're about to run through these dudes. And if they play good, I'm like, oh, my goodness, Lord, how are we going to score on these guys? So I never watched it. I just wanted to, hey, just give me the cut up. Just give me a breakdown, and I'll take it from there. So you actually watch a team that you're going to actually play.

Do you get the TV copy to try to hear, you know, calls or anything like that, Cadas, if you're going to come off the Blitz or anything, do you watch the TV copy and try to pick up the sound because some guys, some defensive linemen, obviously try to get the cadis of the quarterback. I kind of watch the TV copy kind of like on the back end of the week. You know, I get my cutups first.

I watch all my cutups, first, second down, early in the week, and then the next day I might do the third down and do that. And then towards the later of the week, closer to the game, I watch the TV copy. because, you know, the commentator just kind of give you a lot of information when you watch the game. They do. You know what I'm saying? And you pick up on little signs based on, like, chicks and you hand signals and stuff like that.

And, you know, how, is this guy, does he like to hard count? You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm reading everything. His first reads, you know what I'm saying? I'm just listening to the commentary and saying how the game flow, how they, you know, the flow of the game is going up. But I don't watch too much of the TV copy. I'm more of a cut-up guy.

you know, watching formations and things like that. So based on what you've seen so far, based on what you know about them, even though you haven't gotten into preparing for that game against them, is there anyone on the Patriots that you see might be able to give you fits on the opposite side of you or you feeling comfortable going to that game where it ain't nothing? I got this. I just have to be technically sound and be disciplined with my eyes and I'm going to be all right. When I always go into a game, like, man, if I just do what I do my job and

and have my eyes where it's supposed to be in playoff technique. Man, I feel like I just can't be beat. That's how I feel. I like it. I like it. You guys got tomorrow off? You got to go in and watch film? You got anything or you got tomorrow off?

We're going in for like a team meeting, but we don't do too much. It's like a regular week now. So going on a team meet and then we have Tuesday off and then we start back Wednesday. Back into the week. Okay. Yeah. I like it. Man, congratulations.

Man, I was that man, I was, I said, man, if the Broncos lose this game after getting five turnovers, I'm going to lose my mind. I'm going to lose my mind. But I talked to Pat, a PS2 before the game, and I think you know now is that there are no insignificant plays in the postseason. Every play matters. In the regular season, you might can brush a playoff in the first or second quarter. But you can't do that in the postseason.

I get a prime example. I think it was the second quarter. You remember when Coleman dropped that ball in the end zone? And people say, well, glad he dropped it because it was a penalty. But if he catches it, you guys are going to have to accept the penalty. Now you give Josh Allen another crash against you. You see what they did, on Cho?

Yeah. Now because he dropped it, we could decline the penalty. Instead of giving him another crack to get seven, they had to settle for three. See, there are no insignificant plays. People like trying to, well, you know, it really didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. come post season, every play matters. Talk to Sean, and I know Sean, but Sean told you guys, I'm like, Sean, hey, you've been here.

You know what it's like. You're like, we're ready to play. We're ready. And you guys, Matt, you guys got to put that away. They come out, you get the strip sack. Benito chops him. You get the ball. You kick a field goal going into the half.

They get the ball. Benito hits him in the back. You get the ball to the 19. Put them away. You got a touchdown there. You put them away. Yeah, game over. Yeah, that's one thing about, like, NFL football, man.

Like, we, like you said, we got the force fumble right before they have three points and they come back, you know, force another fumble. And we done all this and the game still closed. It's like, still like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's a long game. It's a long game. NFL are crazy. It's a long game.

Playoff game is the atmosphere just crazy. It's different. The tempo is different. The flows. Man, it's a different world. Oh, yeah. Man, that stadium got so quiet when they took the lead because they got a field goal and then they came back and they took the lead

and they made it 24 to 23. That might have been the quiet as I've ever heard in Ma'a. Because they're like, hold on. We got four turnovers. We were kicking the inch out of them the whole game. How did they got the lead? That's what be the crazy part. Like, man, like you would think like,

If you don't even look at the school, bro, you're just thinking, like, man, we, we, we, we're going on them. Like, we own them. Dominating. Yeah, we dominate them. And then they score one, touchdown. It's like, they're right back in it. Right back in it. Right back in it.

Yeah. Man, well, congratulations. That's one of the biggest plays in Bronco history, in postseason play. Congratulations. Proud. I think you or Benito going to probably be AFC defensive player of the week. Because Benito got two fours fumbles. You got to be a football.

You got a pick. I don't know. It's going to be out of you with Carlton Davis, but I think one of you guys going to probably be the AOC defensive player the week.

But congratulations, great season thus far. Hey, I'm trying to see y'all that's saying for you. Matt, I got a question. Go ahead. Matt,

you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Hey, if I was playing today, right? Yeah. Like, hypothetically speaking, if I was playing today game, you think you could cover me? Of course.

100%. A hundred percent. No, I'm being serious. This Ocho you're talking to? I know. I'm talking to, I know exactly what I'm talking to. I know, I don't, you know, I don't, you know, I don't, you know what I don't, you know, you're talking to Jay Matt.

Yeah, yeah, bro, you know what we do? I know, I know, listen, I know, I know, I know you're Bronco, but I mean, I mean, he said he can cover me. I mean, you can cover me right now? Well, Joe, of course. We can line up when you got locked up, won't let him out. We can line up whenever. We could, we can do something.

Listen, your whole, your whole, your whole secondary can come get this work now. Ain't nothing wrong with my feet. Hey, we ain't ducking nothing. The whole secondary. All right. I'm in Miami. Come on down here. I'll be down there.

I'll be down there. Real? Yeah. Fort Laudeau. All right. All right. After y'all holding that trophy up. Yeah.

I got you. Hey, you're nervous, huh? I can hear it in your voice. Nervous. Yeah. Yeah. I ain't never nervous. One thing about J-Matt.

Hey, one thing about J-Mack. I don't care who I line up against. Yeah. Yeah. Who anybody can get it. Hold on. This is me, now. This ain't, this ain't them.

This is me. I understand. I'm the original shit talking. It's me. Don't do that. I know who you are. Okay. But I'm J-Matt.

Damn. Bronco country. Hey. Hey, have a good one, boy. Man, I salute you, man. I salute you. Appreciate y'all. Congratulations, man.

Great week. Keep it going, man. Hey, one more. We're so close. One more. One more. Appreciate it, man. Thanks for joining us.

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