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Oh, Joe.
What's that, baby?
Cousins, a five-year,
$172 million deal with the Raiders.
In reality, it's a one-year,
$20 million fully guaranteed deal that also can buy the club option for two years at $80 million.
The Falcons will pay Kirk Cousers $8.7 million this season.
The Raiders 1.3 and Las Vegas, excuse me, but the Raiders will also play another 1.3.
That's $10 million.
Vegas also agreed to play the new quarterback, a fully guaranteed $10 million roster bonus
on the third day of the League New Year in 27.
And most notably, it also sets another new mark.
It'll be the 11th straight NFL season
in which Cousins has had a fully guaranteed contract.
I told you, Uncle Joe, well, God has favor.
God has favor for certain people.
Obviously, timing for Kurt Cousins has always been impeccable,
along with him betting on himself, Unk, when he was in D.C.?
Oh, that's how y'all want to play?
You know what?
I'm betting on myself.
And every time he hit.
Hey, he hit big.
Every time he hit big in Washington.
He hit big in Minnesota.
Hell, he hit big in God damn Atlanta.
And long behold, here we go.
Right back up.
Right back at it again.
Ooh.
And that's a good security blanket for them too.
That's a good security blanket.
Nice bridge. Nice little bridge to Mendoza.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Very nice.
Is he going to start, though?
No, no, no.
your cousin do start.
You think so?
For the first probably five to eight game,
think about it, Ocho.
Guess who his coach was in Minnesota?
Quarterback coach.
Cool.
Yeah.
Clibiac.
Who the head coach of Vegas?
Ocho, remember when you and I first started,
I said, that's why you don't burn no bridges.
You see how that was?
Because them guys go elsewhere.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Think about it.
All them coaches that I had in Baltimore,
Rex Ryan got a head job.
Marvin Lewis got a head job.
Jack Del Rio, got a head job.
All those guys, Mike Nolan, head job.
Yeah.
Mike Smith, head job.
So all you got to do is play your cards, right?
Don't be no jerk.
And guess what?
They go get somewhere, you know what?
Good veteran mentorship, leadership in this locker room,
let's go get old Ocho.
Yeah.
Let's go get Joe.
But guys don't think.
like that. They think all they think is in the present here right now where I am.
Right. Man, please.
Hey, either he got good luck or he got favor or he knows something about somebody.
He got some information on somebody and they just keep giving the week.
Hey, Kurt Cousie hit the lick out here, man.
Hey, he hit them across the head.
Hey, I'm calling Mike. I was like, Mike, look here, man. I need a favor.
I know you don't hire a lot of people.
I knew a job
84 what you want to do
where you want to be
Sean McVey was on his staff
Kyle was on his staff
Kevin O'Connell
all the guys
Lefleur
I could do something
let me be community
community relations
I can do something
I don't want to do no coaching
I don't do no coaching
community relations
you got no patience for no coaching
the hell now
get your money
first cousins. Kirk Cousers'
contract history. Four years
$2.57 million.
And then he played that
contract out, Ocho. And then he had a
one year, basically $20 million deal.
And then he had the next year, fully guaranteed
because of the franchise tag. And then he had a
one year basically $24 million deal.
And then he signed a three year,
$84 million deal. Fully guaranteed,
Ocho. And then he signed a two year,
$66 million deal, Ocho.
And then he signed a one year
Minnesota, 35 million fully guaranteed, Ocho.
And then he signed the four year,
180 million with a hundred million dollars
guaranteed Ocho. And now, five years,
172 with 20 guarantee. And guess what?
So five, six, nine,
11, 11, 12, 13.
So what is this? This is 15th year, 14, 15 year?
14 year.
And Grant told him 14 years, guess something to play?
playoffs wins he got on your show drum roll please
what
man get out of here
one one my boy
he got one
Adam groman tweeted
Kurt Cousers had earned more money
in football than Michael Jordan did
playing basketball more than Tiger Woods earned
in playing golf more than Serena Williams
playing tennis his career
earnings from NFL contracts
and see the entire net worth of
Merrill Street, who's won three Academy Awards and been nominated 21 times.
They exceed the entire net worth of Martin Scorsese.
Also, nearly identical to Tom Brady, who won seven Super Bowl.
Cousins won playoff win.
Off win.
Hey, he don't have no playoff win, Joe, but what?
In his season, he won the Super Bowl with that bank account.
He's in the Hall of Fame
on you with that bank account
Absolutely
Yeah that's his age
I don't know who his age it is
But they might need to look at the hill
Hey
You're talking about cousins got favor
He got favor
But Joe
A cousin's numbers
Are you in the blender
During the regular season
He's spreading their thing around in it
Oh yeah
He's like that thing
Give him time
He's surgical with that ball
Damn
Kurt hey, Kurtz sitting at the house, he's chilling, feet kicked up and everything.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, he is.
Very, he's very religious, too.
Is he?
Oh, yeah.
Very.
Good God for you to me.
That's what I say.
That's what I say you got favor now.
Derek, how you said, Chasora?
Derek Chisora and Deonté Wider had their pre-fighter.
had their pre-fight press carvers today.
Let's take a listen to this, Joe and Ocho.
Wow.
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
And I'm going to tell Dehry, I hope you bring his heart, because I'm going to take that to.
How does he do that?
And how do you stop that happening?
Why, he took him a long time ago when he said he bustsing on his baby mom and busting on his stomach?
When I came, I used to come on her stomach.
I had a good nut, and I nut her on her stomach.
I was like, wow.
Oh, Jesus.
That was from Deonti Wider had an interview on Pierce Morgan.
He said what he said.
He said his baby mama used a syringe allegedly impregnated herself, and that's how he had the child.
That's what he alleges.
I don't know if that to be true.
I don't even know if that's the truth, but that's what he alleged on Pierce Morgan's show.
So he said that and you know, anytime you're doing a press or Ocho and you're trying to hyperfight.
You say some outlanded stuff.
Chisora said, hey, I don't know.
Hey, me?
Boy, they couldn't have sent me to Guantanamo Bay,
waterboarded me with the CIA to get that up out of me.
Yeah.
Hell no.
Hey, you know, that's natural.
You know it's natural, man.
Natural.
Natural.
You got to put it somewhere.
What's natural?
Just got you put it somewhere down.
You got to tell somebody where you put it, Ocho.
That's the point.
I mean.
Yeah, you're right. You know.
But where else you're going to put it?
But consider what you are,
what all you done, old tongue-foo master?
So we're enjoying that.
I don't put nothing past you.
And listen, I'm sure we've all
to conduct.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Don't do that.
Don't know, no, we all.
You speak in singular terms.
You.
No.
No.
No.
You mean us.
No.
You speak for you.
No, no.
No, no.
We're Joe's nothing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hey, y'all, y'all, y'all, hey, I know y'all, you know, your image is different, mine.
I'm a wild, I'm a wild person.
I'm a wild boy, so this is expected of me, but y'all, I'm going to make, I'm going to let you all stay clean.
My bad.
Nah, no, no, no, no.
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
Hey, Joe, when you try to do, try to be guilty of seeing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't, no, no, no.
Lord, please.
I already don't.
I know.
It doesn't matter what the nose goes when the door's closed.
I mean, it's all.
sex. When you close the door, Ocho, it's all six. I get it.
But there's got to be limits. They got limits. They got limits on speed.
No, no, no, no. They got limits on how far a plane can fly unless you got a B-52 or one of those
one of those A-waxes that can refuel an Air Force One that can just keep refuel it.
Yeah, we're trying to. But everything got limits. Yeah. Cars got limits how fast they can go.
Plains got limit on how far they can travel. You ain't got no limits in the bad room.
Yeah, you shouldn't have no limits, especially not the area.
Come on, man.
Not the area.
Come on, Joe.
You got to slow down, Turbo.
I don't slow.
I've been slow as possible.
I'm 58 now.
Shoot, I ain't what I used to be.
Joe, can I throw a flag on the plate?
I would, hey, well, I got another.
I want to challenge everything that you see you.
This man here.
Listen, I'm just telling you about my experiences, man.
I'm not the same.
I don't slow down a little bit, man.
And I really can't, I don't move like that no more, man.
Man, I'm just saying, Ocho, man.
Come on, man.
Dang.
Ain't nothing wrong with the law on the palm.
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no.
All right.
That's need to hear that.
Hey, but, what, I mean, I'm saying,
what made them say that during a press conference, though?
I guess, look, allegedly, supposedly.
We got to use, Joe, we got to use allegedly and supposedly.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Do y'all like, do y'all see that allegedly running on the street?
So allegedly supposedly, when he started losing, I guess the lady that he was seeing
with his fiancé or wife or whatever the case may be, she went in a different direction.
Now, that's the story that he's telling.
I don't know.
And I guess you started seeing some NFL players.
but allegedly
I want to
I want to be a
I want a heavy emphasis
on the allegedly
Right right
Damn
So
Something you just keep to yourself man
Hey
Hey what is that fight on
Yeah certainly
Or long
We're gonna be live after the fight
So make sure you make sure you
Okay
Hold on who ain't fighting
Chisora
Derek Chisora
man it ain't been
looking that good for wild
or his past few fights, everybody.
Mm-mm.
Mm-mm.
Mm-mm.
Damn.
Damn.
Mm-mm.
I hope you get this one off, man.
I hope you win this one.
I hope you win this one.
I hope you win this one.
Oh, so, too.
But, I mean.
I know.
know one thing, but Wilder catch him with,
if he catch him with that guy,
man, Ocho, we got to stop that.
Talking about, everybody stayed in hollered about
catching with the right.
Yeah, wilda got the box.
Yeah, you got the box.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Every fight I've been, every fight I've seen
in the past few fights,
hey, it ain't been, it ain't been good.
Yeah, you got to be right.
You got your foundation, Ocho.
I mean, I've seen bigger legs on a piano.
I mean, he ain't got no foundation.
Man, hey, they said that man is 6, 7, 2, 15.
He is.
He'll basketball player, yeah.
Hey.
Hey, Joe, but he can crack.
The problem is, hey, if he got to catch you, though.
Yeah.
You can block all you want.
Sometimes that don't even help.
But, hey, uncle, he went on a run.
Oh, yeah, he was.
Like 30 straight, wasn't it off?
Until he, straight knockouts.
Everybody going to.
Until he ran in the big boy.
Oh, Fury.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, first of all, like you said, Ojoe, he can crack.
So he hit fewer with everything he had with the right.
And then when he set up in the room like under,
when he set up, like Undertaker.
Like Undertaker?
I mean, he was flat.
That Joe set up.
I ain't never seen him.
I never, never seen nothing like that.
Like Jason.
You know Jason Boy, hey, Jason, boy, he sit up and look around.
Yeah.
Then what you do?
I didn't see nothing like that.
I mean, you know, you hit somebody with everything God would allow.
Everything you got.
And that man sit up.
They got to be demoralizing.
Man, what the hell?
It's kind of like what Big George said.
Big George said when he's doing a rumble in the jungle, he said he was hitting, he was hitting Ollie, wound, a wound, a wound.
He said, Ali leaned in closer.
That's all you got, Big George.
Yeah, that's about it.
Yeah, I'm on fuse right now.
Hey, they're rumbling in the jungle was different, boy.
Yeah, yeah, Ali Bumba, yeah.
Man, what?
Hey, hey, I coach.
Larry Drew, he played that right before a playoff series one day.
As a matter of fact, it was the playoff series when I was playing him for the Hawks
and we played against the Celtics, who was a one-seat and we was an eighth seed.
We watched that whole thing, bro.
Oh, y'all watched the Rumble in the Jungle?
Yeah, we watched Rumble in the Jungle.
Boy, I leave something else.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, nice, boy.
There's nothing like getting your fight.
watching a fight, watching a movie scene, a war scene.
Yeah.
When they're going to storming the beach, they spray them.
They got street sweepers, they got flame throwing, they got grenade locked,
they got everything out there.
Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, a source within the Eagles organization
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Or body language, not always bought in, not the most coachable, and the players notice.
Key notes from the file report.
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Now, I know Eagle fans
going to beat Ocho and I love about this.
he ain't make this up i don't know if y'all know who jeremy file is they better know but if you don't know
it came from that building yeah it it always comes from the building and and another thing i mean
i don't like the nitpicking about you know in mannerisms and body language because his body language
has always been like that he's one that doesn't show much much passion doesn't show much excitement
he doesn't smile much you see how he does his interviews everything is really really really
really serious. That's just who he is.
Ocho, hold on. Before you go any further, Ocho,
okay, we take the stoicism. What about
the most coachable? What about that? That's a good one.
And especially being a quarterback, being a quarterback that's
had success, being a quarterback that's already won a Super Bowl,
I mean, in a way, in order to win
and have that kind of consistency that they did have,
don't you have to be coachable in this sense?
Maybe last year, that might have been, okay, you know what, I don't
like Petula system. I don't like what's going on.
I want to simplify things,
you know, to my liking. When I get
plays that come in and it's something that I don't
like, I'm going to change it.
So I could probably see maybe
this season not being coachable because
he's wanting to do things his way.
All I'm going to say is this here.
You didn't know this.
Nobody know this.
Jeremy Fowler is reporting.
It was Hertz
who called the four verticals
on the Eagles last play of 2020.
26 in the NFL playoffs, not Petula.
Who knew that other than the damn coaches?
That's it.
Other players.
So for Jeremy Fowler to get that,
because y'all are going to beat us up, Joe.
You ain't going to get too much pushback.
But Ocho and I are going to get pushback.
How would this man know that?
Everything, it always comes from in the building, no.
Always.
No matter who you are.
It's going to get out.
But ain't nobody going to take the blame, though.
Y'all know how I go.
It's somebody talking to them.
All I know is this.
Me and Ocho's best friend.
You, the God, it's been reported,
I think that he's one of the godsons.
AJ's kid.
How you fall out with that?
One of the reasons that I came.
I came to Cincinnati to play with Ocho.
And now all of a sudden I want to leave Ocho?
Even after I want a Super Bowl.
Yeah.
Bend the two one-one.
No, I'm good because.
Let me go.
something going on over there.
AJ see that system,
man, it ain't,
it ain't working out for him, man.
Hey,
AJ's like,
man,
I can't get my numbers.
I can't catch no balls.
And you know how,
you know how AJ thinking,
okay,
I got my ring.
So shoot,
from this point on,
I'm trying to get the numbers right.
Hello.
AJ say,
y'all got people thinking
I'm some sauce out here now.
That's what y'all thinking.
I see what JSC,
doing. I see what
pool could do it. I see what all these
other receivers doing.
Y'all got people thinking, I can't play
no more. AJ washed.
AJ can't run nothing but
this. I'm telling you how
AJ thinking. Yeah.
Same thing. Slant, curl,
deep ball, left side of the field.
Sluggo.
That's it. Joe,
they got him running three, three, maybe four
routes. He's running a rail.
Hey, he's going deep. He's running nine, right.
left side, two yards outside, you run a rail.
Every time.
You run a go ball.
Right side, you're going to run a dig or you're going to run shallow.
Or the slant.
And third and short.
He's running slant.
And if they put them in a two by two, what's he called?
Hey, somebody go run the divert, clear angle, back up underneath, the under route.
Hey, because when you think about it, though, is it, I think it's because.
I think it's because Seacquan didn't have as great of a year as he had the year before,
which hurts AJ, does it hurt AJ because of that?
Well, but here's the thing.
If Sequin's not running, if they got an extra guy down to stop, Sequan, come see you, boy.
A pass game should be wide over, Joe.
The offensive line was a little beat up.
The big Lane Johnson dealt with injuries all year.
Dickerson, dealt with injuries all year.
The center jergins dealt with injuries all year.
The right guard wasn't as good.
is Macaibecta.
So, yeah, it goes hand in hand.
But this later, hold on.
Damn, we got a quarterback.
We're paying them top dollar.
So even the Seekoine not running.
But they got to do with anything.
You make it, you make it $50 million a year?
I don't want to hear no by Seekoine.
Ooh.
You got to get it done.
I don't hear about no Charles Barclay, no Sequin Barclay,
no Iran Barclay.
I don't hear none of that.
I'm just, oh, I'm just, I'm just,
you, I'm just,
Oh, Cho, you know how these organizations think.
Yeah.
They don't turn up about that what's not working.
Yeah.
We paying you for to do your job.
And when something's not working,
that means you lift your level of play and bring us home.
You got you.
Especially when you're making that kind of money.
They don't want no excuses.
They ain't trying.
Well, what?
They ain't trying to hear.
Nothing.
Nothing.
It's going to be very, very interesting to see.
The Rams have been urging to Pooking to
to grow as a person after a series of controversies off the field of the past year.
And now he's taking steps to do that.
Puka has checked himself into a private facility.
His attorney had confirmed today to focus on his health, personal growth, and overall development.
Nakua checked himself into the facility on his own and will remain there until he completes the program of head of the Rams OTAs that start in a few weeks.
Yes, sir.
If you could offer him some advice, Joe, then you can take it.
What would you, what would you say to Pooca's?
I mean, understand the opportunity you have that's in front of you.
Understand how valuable you are to the Los Angeles Rams.
Understand how hard you've worked to get to where you at.
Understand all the adversity, all the obstacles you had to overcome to get where you are.
And remember that.
And don't forget it.
Now, I think maybe Puka might be a little comfortable because of the success that he's having.
Enjoying himself a little too much.
It's okay to enjoy yourself, Joe,
Joe, it's okay to enjoy yourself.
Hell, I enjoyed myself, but I also knew
what lines, not the cross, off the field.
What did he do? What do you do?
Off the field.
Oh, yeah, you got it.
Shake the stuff in, but I'm saying, what happened?
T.J., TJ, uh, who's himazada?
Now, uh, allegedly, uh, he likes to party.
Yeah.
And, you know, the recent event that came out about the young lady,
uh, he didn't look in, in the greatest control of it.
He bit on the buttocks.
Man, this is why I told the Washington kid who was just on from Arkansas.
Like, man, don't never forget how you got to where you're trying to get to.
You feel me, whether it's the NFL, NBA, I don't care what it is.
Man, have tunnel vision, focus on yourself and your craft, and leave all them distractions along.
I promise you.
Boy, hey, because the devil going to be working.
He's going to be working.
I'm talking about he's going to be working overtime.
You hear me?
That's why you got to stay locked in, bro.
Like, I try to, you know, especially young cats who coming into being a professional,
you have to understand, yep, it's a lot that comes with that.
It's a lot that you're going to enjoy.
But it's some stuff that's going to come with it, man,
that it ain't going to be too tasteful.
And so I think that's the biggest thing.
He put himself in, you know, and the thing that I've learned is that it's okay.
to not have an opinion about everything publicly.
Yeah.
You know, he's young and, you know, he got caught in, you know,
being on someone's stream and, you know,
they said some things that, you know,
that kind of got him in trouble.
I don't really fought him for that.
He didn't, he didn't really know what that meant.
But you got to be careful.
Yeah.
You really, you really, you really, you really have to be careful in,
in situations like this.
And it's just,
It's tough, man.
It's tough.
I think it's harder.
It's harder nowadays, too, fellas, than it was back.
Yeah, you got more distractions.
You got way more distractions.
And it's just, it seems like everything gets seen now.
There's cameras everywhere, Joe.
Everybody got a camera.
There you go.
You think you, you're talking on the low?
You think, man, please.
Yeah.
It's, I just, hey, I just, you know, I just hope,
because I, like I said, I've only been around.
I've only been around in one, but he was, he was fun.
Like I said, I haven't been around him in a football setting.
It was a very layback, the All-Star Game, Celebrity All-Star game,
and Indy.
He's a phenomenal talent.
He's one of the two or three best receivers in all of football.
He shows up.
He's put the work in, and he's in line.
I believe, you know, he's going to reset the market.
JSA and got what he got.
I believe he's going to come and get, you know, $100,000, $200,000 more than JSA.
He's that good.
He's as good as advertised.
Absolutely.
But I think a person that could give him some great advice,
go talk to Playmaker.
Yes.
Go talk to the playmaker.
Don't lose sight.
The main thing is the main thing.
Football.
Football is the main thing.
And you got a great opportunity.
You got an opportunity to sit about three generations up
for the rest of their lives.
Man.
I'm glad.
I'm glad he's getting the help.
Hopefully it works.
I don't know everybody's PR.
I don't care.
He go in there.
I don't care if they don't have him reading books.
Right.
Let him go in there, get an opportunity to think about what's been done,
some of the things that he's done, some of the behavior that he displayed,
get that rectified and know, you know, hey, without consequences,
there can be no lessons learned.
Mm.
Yeah.
It's really simple.
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Ocho, this is going to be right up your alley.
John Lynch said the 49ers dug deeper into the NFLPA report card
in which team training staff grades were relatively poor.
The 49ers found that players wanted more 101 attention.
So guess what they're doing, Ocho?
Hiring three more PTs,
investing $9 million in hydro areas,
clove punch and pools,
which had graded low at the team facility.
Okay.
This is why that's what I want them out because they don't want that report out there.
Yeah.
Instead of, instead of like, oh, man, I can't believe they did this.
They did something about it.
What the NFL do?
See, NFL don't want no negative grades.
So they suppress that.
Yeah.
We can't, whoa, whoa.
So we're getting real of pro football focus grades.
That's an independent party.
But you know what?
Ocho, I want to get, I want us to get back in good grades with the NFL.
Right.
We'll shut up.
Right.
Listen, I'm picking up what you put down.
but obviously this is a good thing.
This is a good thing for the players.
Obviously, you know, when it comes to the 49ers,
they already have a bad rep out.
You know, when it comes to injuries,
they've had a bad injury history over the years.
Obviously, I like what Fred Warner said when he came on the show,
we were down there in San Francisco
and debunking the fact that it had anything to do with the power plant.
The fire plant that is sitting adjacent.
He just said, obviously, it's football.
It's a barbaric sport.
Injuries do happen.
But where the 49ers are choosing to do and adding, you know, three PTs and, and in, and cold plunging and things like that, yes.
Improvement of some of those things to see if they can, they can help reduce some of these injuries that they are having, you know, in season is a great thing.
It's a good thing.
My bad, they don't already have all this, Uncle Ocho?
They haven't, but they're adding more.
Yeah, I would have thought they did.
Hey, Unc, that goddamn Bengals facility, you hear me?
I don't know how much money they pumped into that.
Hey, Joe, the locker rooms.
I ain't never seen nothing like that, Joe.
Man, I ain't never seen nothing like that, boy.
It looked like you, it's looked like, I don't even know how to explain it.
I don't even know I'd explain it.
I just, I've never, because what I'm used to when I walked in the locker room, Joe.
Yeah.
You know?
And when I went into the Bengals locker room now, like today, I'm like, man, it's almost unfair.
Oh, Joe.
It's almost unfair.
Hey, Uncle, you ever been to the Hawks practice for?
the one they got next to Emory.
Yeah.
I haven't been to it, but I saw it.
I went and looked at it.
I was like, okay, y'all, y'all did it, not?
Oh, yeah.
It's nice, Joe.
Oh, man, Ocho, every time I go in there
because I do a lot of work with the house,
I get, I get pissed off every time I walk in there.
Well, y'all didn't what I was here.
Man, when I was playing here, we got one,
listen, at the arena, at State Farm Arena,
it was called Phillips Arena back in the day.
Yeah.
It's one small practice court inside the arena,
That's what we practice at every day, bro.
Yeah.
Like when I walk into their practice facility now, Ocho,
I'm talking about a state of the art, partner.
You hear me?
I'm talking about everything, the bells and whistles, they got it.
I'm talking about, man, listen.
I'm thinking about to get me an intern with the strength and conditioning coach, man,
just so I can go in there and work out.
You know what I mean?
And keep the guys right.
Yeah.
What?
Hey, I want to be nosy.
I should have asked somebody how much, you know,
Mr. Brown and the Brown family poured into
the training room, the locker room, the weight room,
the nutrition, the cafeteria.
Hey, Joe, it's like walking in some five-star hotel.
When you talk about the bells and whistles
with all the lightning, hey,
the charging stations and all that stuff.
Hey, the play, eh, uh, the players lockers.
Yeah, everything all lit up with the name.
And I'm like, yeah, big old comfy chairs.
Oh, man, they got a good.
Hey, Joe, unbelievable.
Like, the training room,
with the pools and the, I mean, listen,
I didn't spend no time in the train room.
The only time I went in there was it,
you know, at halftime, I get the IV, you know,
when it was hot because I would always cramping my calf muscles.
Yeah.
I mean, I was jealous.
I was jealous. I am too.
I am too.
I ain't going to lie.
Yeah, it's a man, look here.
They got all these dip tanks and infrared and, you know,
Rio, they got cryo.
Yeah, they got all that.
They got, the Broncos got like two or three cryo tanks,
and infrared beds and,
I still don't understand that.
Those cold plunges, they got like three, four cold plunges.
They got sonals, steam room.
You understand that?
They got three of those infrared, what you call it?
Infrared sonnels.
Yeah, they got the band band.
What is that for?
It's to help your red blood cells for recovery at Arcan Ocho.
So it's like giving your red blood cells a shot of espresso.
You know what I mean to kind of wake them up.
It speeds up healing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Hey, my favorite one is that hydro tub when they got the treadmill inside that,
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You get that water, you can get on that treadmill.
Man.
They take all the, in all buoyancy, so ain't no pressure.
Ain't nothing on the knees, the ankles, the joints.
Hey, I can run on that thing all day.
You hear me.
Hey, Joe, that's for when you hurt, right?
When you hurt and you're coming back from injuries.
Well, it ain't necessarily when you hurt.
You can do it for recovery because, you know,
just being in the water, it's like it's recovery.
So they should make us get in the pool.
Like, we're on the road.
They'll wake you up early in the morning,
make you go to the pool and just walk around
and like five feet of water for like 20 minutes.
That's an act of recovery.
So to have a treadmill under the water, like,
man, that was everything, bro.
Hey, look, I was always fascinated.
I hated that thing.
Did you?
Because, you know, the way it was set up,
because you had a current.
So, you know, you had a current going to get you.
Yeah.
So you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You have this man looking turn that thing down.
Let me.
Hey.
Hey, Joe, did you like the cold tub, Joe?
I ain't like it, but I used to do.
I used to do the hot and cold contrast, oh, Joe.
Hey, Joe, I love that cold tub.
You know, my crazy ass, I would wait to people be in the cold tub,
and I wait to the all in there, and I go jump in.
Oh, no.
I cannonball in there.
Hey, they used to hate that, Joe.
Hey, hey, we'd be fighting in the cold tub.
That's the first day we tell you, hey, man, don't get in his splash and all that
water, man, you need to sit down and be still.
Because when we first started, you know,
I called to them with a trash cans.
Huh?
Tothrofts. Yeah.
Yeah, no, no cold plunge, no taintiffel in.
No, sit your ass on a big ass with whatever rubber made
trash cans.
You serious?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I remember that.
Oh.
Damn.
At home, that's what I did.
I went to a farm.
I went to a farm store, a feeder store, and got me a couch.
Yeah.
That's what I, at home, that's what I had.
Yeah.
I would go to a convenience store, get me 10 bags of ice.
Ice? Okay.
Yep.
And then I was like, you know what?
Then I bought me an ice maker that made 200 pounds of ice.
There you go.
With that in there, yeah.
Now you're cooking with grease, boy.
Yeah, yeah.
I had everything, I got the Norma Tech boots and I got a game ready.
Yeah.
You had all that stuff.
Yeah.
I had a laser.
I left somebody borrowed and they never gave it back to me.
Tony Banks.
Oh, man.
I got that,
I got that,
I got that infrared son in my yoga studio.
God damn,
Joe.
I'm about to come now.
They do no yoga.
You got one in the studio?
Yeah,
I got one,
I got cryotherapy in the studio.
Ocho,
we ain't playing,
man.
You're going to come out of that glowing,
baby.
Eyes going to be like this here.
Yeah.
And you got,
you got money.
What?
Here we go.
I'm just saying,
I only seen stuff like that,
you know,
in the movie.
It ain't about having
no money, Ocho, you know, it's just being, it's about being intentional.
Being proactive. There you go. Hey, well, hey, you know how you know how you be
intentional and proactive, Joe? By having money.
The hell are you talking about?
What are you getting to do from? Man, who raised it to?
Hey.
Oh, man. Hey, hey, hey, a, a, a, check this out real quick, right?
What's up? What are you, what do you, what do you call friends that eat together?
Like, you know, friends.
Like, you know, will you call friends
they eat together?
Friends that eat together.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Friends.
Friends to eat together.
Friends to eat together.
What you got, Joe?
Associates.
No.
Taste buds.
Hey, listen.
I've been seeing, trying to think of the most off-the-wall stuff.
I'm like, man, I know this.
this dude. Hey, Ocho, Ocho, they say you laugh like Kermit the Frog.
The man got teased.
Oh, that was a good one.
You wait, do you find out what the NFL trying to do about these players' contract?
Ocho, you ain't going to be laughing.
We'll talk about that tomorrow.
The Browns and Miles Garrett agreed to a modified language in his contract this
offseason that makes it easier for the trade Garrett.
what they did,
but he's supposed to get $29 million
a roster bonus on March 15th.
They pushed it to seven days
before the regular season start.
But Andrew Barry says the team will not try miles.
Miles is a career brown.
He's one of the faces of our organization.
And I think we've been very clear,
past and present in terms of our feelings.
I understand all the questions.
But I'll be honest.
I don't really want to waste a ton of time,
more breath on that topic.
Yeah.
Ocho?
What does,
does the modification,
to his contract where you kick it.
I mean, my, like, hold on.
Y'all, y'all be to tell me y'all kicked $29 million.
I'll let y'all kick $29 million down the road.
I could have got that Mark 15th, but now it's seven days before the regular season.
So that's seven.
So April, May, June, July, August.
So about six months, I let y'all kick that down the road.
One thing they're going to do, but they're going to lie to you every time when they get
in front of that camera.
They're going to lie to you every time they get in front of that camera.
You know exactly why you kick that money on down the road to allow yourself room to be
able to trade Garrett to a team that gives him opportunity and a chance to win for a change
where he's the facie of franchise or not whether you want him to be a one-jurdy team player
which he should be but also based on what he's done you should reward him with an opportunity
to go somewhere where he can have a chance to win for a change I mean come on now and we we know
why you did it I hey listen one thing about them coaches and them owners and them GMs when they get in front
of their camera they're going to act like a politician
They're going to tell you everything you want to hear
knowing that they're not going to deliver
and it's not the truth.
They hit that lie button.
Huh?
They hit that lie button.
Everything comes out of their mouth is a lie.
All the time.
There's no reason to do it.
Just leave it alone.
It doesn't change anything.
It doesn't like the 29 million goals away.
The only thing is that that dead cap is not on your space
because if you paid that money,
you've got to absorb that dead cap.
Even though he's somewhere else.
I mean, here.
So now he's somebody else who will have to pay that.
Look, obviously he's the best player.
And you know what?
Now that I think about it,
Miles Garrett might win.
He might do something only a handful of defensive players of the top 100.
He might be number one.
He should be.
He should be.
I think, I think, has any defensive player,
Maybe JJ Watt.
Has D.J. Watt been number one?
Aaron Donald been number one?
Because normally is reserved for a quarterback.
Yeah.
I think Adrian Peterson won it one year.
I think the year that he came back,
I think Adrian Peterson might have won it.
Tyreek Hill wanted one year.
That's 17-100-yard season.
Yeah.
Lamar won it a couple of times, if I'm not mistaken.
I think my homeboy, Brady's won it the most.
Have the defensive player ever won the award?
What did JJ fitter?
Okay, yeah.
Okay.
So they got two.
JJ in 2015,
Aaron Dahl in 2019.
So.
Hey,
I'm,
listen,
Miles Garrett,
either to Philly,
Miles Garrett,
maybe.
That might be why they hold it.
That's why Philly's holding on to A.J.
Brown.
They might know something we don't know old John.
Yeah.
AJ Brown over to,
hey,
and I just said it.
You get you one dog.
Get you one dog.
That Sean Watson.
to A.J. Brown.
Yeah.
Because for me,
because look, as much as I would love
to see Miles
finish his career,
I think he, I want to see him on the biggest
stages. I want to see him a chance. I want to see
those sacks and actually meet something.
To someone other than himself.
Because when you're playing behind
and you get 23 sacks and you still win five games.
You shouldn't win five games with 23 sacks.
Y'all should be in the playoffs.
And just imagine what he could
potentially do if his team ever had a league.
And the other team has to throw.
I mean, the man had five sacks
against the Patriots and they got beat by 14.
That doesn't normally happen,
Ocho. Yeah, you're right.
Because before you know it, the game's out of hand.
Now you got to throw the ball.
I know you got to throw it. You know you got to throw it.
But I just don't know him being there
if they're ever going to win because there are so many holes
they need to plug.
Well, and honestly, the holes they need to play.
Well, and honestly,
the holes that need to plug on the offensive side.
All the holes that need to plug and listen,
you won't be able to place Miles Garrett, but you can get
someone that's competent. Someone that's not
going to get to hell, he's not going to get your 23
goddamn sacks, but you have so many other
pieces around you defensively
that are just that good. We're
missing Miles Garrett. It'll be
somewhat of a step back, but you still will
be good. You won't be great.
You'll still be good, but you need
so much offensively.
They're letting him go and being able to
to build that offense and help your quarterback situation out is much more important than
keeping Miles Garrett and winning another four or five games.
It's a situation, oh, Joe, the roof is leaking.
The sink is clogged.
The toilet's overflowing and the shower doesn't work.
I got to fix the problem.
The problem I'm going to fix first, the toilet overflow.
And I got to get that out there.
I got to get that fixed.
And then I work, hey, I don't want to get rained on.
shower A, I go take a shower in the rain.
So, but they got so many things going on, Ocho, that Miles can't solve it.
They've done a horrible job of putting people on the other side of the ball.
You get, you got Densale.
You got Grand Delpit.
You got Miles.
You've done a great job on the defensive side.
The linebacker was working a year, defense's worth of the year.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
every year.
So you've done a great job with that.
How the hell have you missed so bad?
Now, I like Harry Van de Juniors.
Hey, he got something.
You got something.
I like the running back.
Quinn, Quinn, yeah, Jacket.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bro, you got to get some wide outs.
Yeah, one, one.
You need one.
And when it happens, I said it first.
So when Miles Garrett end up over there in Philly,
make sure y'all come back and just replay this.
He might end up in Dallas.
You know they're going to want pickings now.
You got to tell me twice.
I just said they need a receiver.
I just didn't want to say no name because everybody gets mad at me.
They can get mad all they want to.
I don't see them trading them to Dallas without pickings coming.
You see that?
It's a possibility.
No, I'm saying do you see Dallas getting Miles Garrett without getting
No, no, no, that's not going to happen.
Pick.
There's some, hey, even swap.
Even swap, baby.
Do me right.
Even swap ain't no swindle.
Who are you telling?
I just want my, I was the one time to play, to play in meaningful games.
Yeah, meaningful football, yeah?
I mean, all, I mean, for the most part, most greats, you know, whether they want or not, they played them.
Bruce and Reggie, uh, Time, L.T.
Ray, Kee.
Patrick Willis, Aaron Donald,
JJ, unfortunately, he did not get an opportunity
to play at the Super Bowl.
But a lot of the great, and that's what you want to see.
Now, it doesn't guarantee, it doesn't guarantee
you're going to win.
But play on that big stage.
Play in a championship game.
Where rushes matter.
Get three sacks in an AFC or NFC championship game.
Be the difference in that game.
Aaron Donald, those defensive player of the year,
but go back and cut the tape on in that Super Bowl.
in Cincinnati and watch how he got down
and watch how he took the game
over. Especially the goddamn, especially they
got them, fourth down. All we had to do is just
block him on that four down. He messed up the
goddamn throw.
But, Ocho, you got to remember
on that third down and one,
the guy blocking him, and
he grabbed the guy with one
hand and stopped it from getting the first down.
Damn, man.
And right before the half,
remember they got that turn on right before the half
and he got that sack.
I think he might come back this year.
What you think?
Hell, no.
But you see the clips of him working out?
Yeah.
Are he the more than he?
Yeah, he's working out like he might just come back.
Nah, he don't got the passion.
He said it.
He's like, I don't have a passion.
He exhausted everything that he had.
I mean, you, you know, you watching me say, hey, my dad had me getting up early, early in the morning.
He said, man, I did.
I said, y'all saw Pitt and your.
y'all saw the Rams, but y'all don't realize I was doing this high school.
I don't blame him.
At some point in time, I mean, he still loved the game, but the passion to train at the level
that he need to, to still be Eradonnell.
He can't go out there and be anything else other than 99.
Anything else will be uncivilized.
So that's the fag.
I think the fagg is, Joe, that's the biggest thing from the greats.
It's not like they don't love the game, but.
I can't give that same level of intensity and consistency to the game.
I could imagine.
Because I could imagine.
All I know is 99.
With them with them horns on his helmet.
With the ass.
Going up and down the line, turn it.
Damn, that's long.
They got, hey, they got the damn boat on there and everything.
I couldn't imagine playing D tackle too, you know, always having to deal with that
goddamn, uh, that double team.
That double team.
Oh, my goodness.
especially him.
Hey.
You already know, you go into the game.
And we played guys like that.
Hell, I played against Reggie,
played against Redge, played against D.T.
He, not, you better find out where he is.
And wherever he's at,
that's where he's at, that's where to double go.
And the funny thing about it is Aaron Donald was able to dominate
for such a long time,
and he had the highest percentage when it came to being a double team.
That joke was so quick out of the ball, man.
I told you until the first time I saw him,
he said man that's Aaron Donald
I said from Pitt
I mean he was he was knocking
Ocho but I'm talking about you know
I thought it goes I thought I go see
I thought I was going to see six four
too short
looking like miles looking like miles
now he played
he solid now
but
I'm like what damn
when you see him he doesn't look
you watch him get up the ball
he quick
quick you know
and you think about
you think about all the
all the things that make a defense
to tackle good
you know all the
different attributes.
He was graded every last one of them.
Every last box, he checked.
Whether it was stopping the run, taking on the double team, being able to swim,
pushing the pull-up, I mean, whatever the verbiage is that you use that, you know,
oh, man, he had real, he was good at all of it.
He can rib, he can bill you, he can wax on, wax off.
Yeah, man.
And his footwork, you ever seen his footwork drills?
His footwork looks like a goddamn receiver or running back.
But as I told, listen at him talk when he was talking to defensive lineman.
He said, you play on edges.
He said, don't let that man square you up.
You get on an edge.
Half a man.
Half a man.
That's it.
That's what we talk about on your shoulder.
I'm never, you never going to put both of your hands in my damn chest.
I'm going, I'm going inside or outside.
I'm getting on an edge.
Yeah.
I promise you that.
I'm going to get on an edge.
But he was, he was, he was spent.
And I don't, you know, obviously just watching it from a distance, but, you know, he kind of reminds you of a Johnny Randall.
Ah, that's a good comparison.
Good comparison.
Johnny was undersized.
You know, Johnny came in as 235 pounds defensive tackle.
That's a little.
You know how small that is, especially back then when all that you tackle, all that you tackled was big?
Yeah.
I mean, to play the under tackle.
He got, I mean, his hands are kind of like sap.
Because if you look at Sapp, Sapp, sap didn't play with gloves.
Sap just tape his fingers.
Yeah.
Tape his fingers. Yeah.
And so he did a great job of grabbing.
Sam liked to feel three.
He liked to feel cloth.
So he liked to pull.
What you call it was great at pulling, AD.
But it was definitely a pleasure to watch him play.
Hi, Roseman.
had a stark answer for every question about AJ Brown that he fielded from the local media.
I understand there's an interest in AJ Brown's story.
I, unfortunately, have a home under a rock.
But my answer to any question on AJ is A.J. Brown is a member of the Eagles.
From my perspective, anything you ask me about A.J., I'm going to write back to that answer.
But I understand the interest.
I put it on TV and I see there's interest.
But my answer is A.J. Brown's.
is a member of the Philadelphia Eagles.
You're going to keep, listen, he's going to keep it politically correct.
You expect him to say that, you know.
He's not going to pour gasoline on the fire, you know.
But we know.
I think A.J. Brown time is up, you know, in Philly.
He did his due diligence while he was there.
He's frustrated with the offense.
He's frustrated with his usage.
I think he will be somewhere.
Now, where he will be, I don't know.
I don't know, but I can see the scenario, and I'm telling you right now, chat, when it comes to me guessing and foreseeing the future on where players are going, I'm like 10 for 10.
I'm like 10 for 10, Chad.
And you know that.
I really think A.J. Brown will probably end up in Cleveland, and I can see Miles Garrett going to play meaningful football and being in the playoffs this year with the Eagles.
I'm telling you.
Now, if I'm lying, I'm flying.
And I'm sitting right here in my chair.
It's just hard for me to see a scenario where he is with the Eagles.
I think there's a greater percent, a greater chance that he's not on the Eagles, that he is with the Eagles.
I think what Dallas did last year was pick up Pickens after the draft.
I think, you know, I think that was what, I think the Eagles really want to hold on.
to that,
want to hold on and see,
Cleveland,
what y'all really trying to do now?
Because, you know,
we can make it worse in a while.
Are you,
mm-hmm.
We can give you A.J.
and two-player two-first,
or we can give you Jalen Carter
in two-first.
We can make it worth you while
because we just signed
Jordan Davis.
You got Hunt.
I think that's the guy.
Last year,
I think Jordan Davis outperformed
Jalen Carter.
So Miles Garrett,
Jordan Davis got on the other side
with Braun
Cooper Dejean
they got Woolwin
they got Mitchell
that's a pretty simple wait wait wait wait
Wolin
that's where he left Seattle
he didn't that's where he win
I like that
I like that
I think it's going to happen
Miles Garrett to the Eagles
Ocho said it first
I just beat I beat Adam Schaefter
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