Club Shay Shay - Best of NFL News Part 1: Cowboys DONE with Trevon Diggs but are Browns done with Kevin Stefanski?

Episode Date: January 3, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson bring you the best of NFL from week 18! They react to the Cowboys releasing Trevon Diggs and discuss whether he can still make an impact or if it was just a favor for his friend Micah Parsons. Plus, the duo dive into coaches on the hot seat and more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Kevin Stefanski's future with Browns25:35 - Packers claim Trevon Diggs55:52 - Aaron Glenn already on hot seat? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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when asked if he wishes to continue beyond this season as the Browns head coach. As you can imagine, my soul focuses on the game versus Cincinnati, but I would also tell you I'm privileged to have this job. This season, the Browns are 4 and 12, their fourth losing season, Ernest Stefansky,

but he is a two-time coach in the year. Browns owner Jimmy Haslam called Watson Trade a big swing and miss at the league annual meeting in March. He later said at the beginning of training cap that he wanted to give Stafansky and Barry time to rebuild the foundation of the roster after giving up so many assets for Watson.

When Stafansky was asked if there was been any discussion or any indication from ownership on how it will move forward after the season, Stafansky said, I understand the question, but I've never getting to those type of discussions. Oh, Cho? Oh, so they give him time, huh? We can say a lot.

Let me, let me sit down like this. We can say a lot about Jimmy Havis. He's meddlesome. But you got to give him kudos. He swung for the fences with Deshaun. He gave up a King's Ransom because we had never seen a quarterback this young, this healthy, become available. Now, after it happened, things started coming out. Okay.

But let's just talk about the player on the field. We had never ever in the history of the NFL seen a player so accomplished. so proven, become available that had no injury history. I mean, not that season. Like Drew Brees was available, he almost tore his shoulder up the bone. Peyton Manning had nerve damage. Tom Brady was in year what, year 20. So we're talking about a guy that's in year four, 26 years of age,

and he's available. What says, Ocho? The fact that Mr. Haslam is willing to give, maybe because he's a two-time coach of the year, you got to update your resume every year. You got to update your resume every year. You know, I know. So why are we willing to fire, make speculations about Harbaugh, fire, make speculations about Mike Tomlin, when Safansky should be in the same boat?

You should be ready to clean house and start over. You should be because you're going to be right back in the same situation next year in the year after that and the year after that. He showed you what he can do. He's done as much as he can do. And if I'm not mistaken, like you just said, the last fourth season for the Browns have been losing seasons with this one ending in four and 13 because they're not beating the Bengals next week. What did that beat the Bengals, don't you, what do you do? What did that beat the Bengals? I'm going to the game.

They're not, I'm going to the last game. Oh, you know what happened last time you went to the game? They won. Every game I'm, we lost that game.

Well, you know, but the butter was clouded in the way. You're right, you're right. Yeah, yeah. But,

yeah. But, nah, the last game you went to, you went to the, the dolphins. You went to the guppies. Yeah.

Whop them. Wooped them. We, we damned them put up 40. Matter of fact, they took Joe out the game. Damn. look how you're talking about the guppies.

I didn't say anything about that. I'm just saying we put up 37. You did say something about that. Say, we put party up on the two. You're out of the game. This is what we're going to do. This is what we're going to do to the Browns.

Like, I'm going to go, I'm going to go to the last game as good luck, as good luck. And, you know, we're going to handle business. I don't, Mike, Miles Garrett, he's not, he's not getting that sack. You're not getting that sack record on us. He's not. He's not for to be, he's not going to make history on us. That's not happening. Our officer line, we got to.

too much pride. We ain't going out like that. And we're not going to double team them. And we're not chipping shit. I bet y'all double team it. You want to bet something? I guarantee you we don't. Well, Lando Brown from the luck Miles Garrett up, man.

Stop playing. We good. Okay. We good. I think the fair, Ocho, you need a quarterback. So you might as well just clean out everything. Fung sway. Everything.

everything must go damn yard sale up if i that's what it see see what thing is oh cho that's what to see we used to call them a rummage sale because people would come and rummage through your stuff but see that that was that was derogatory so we wanted to dress it up we said an estate sale that ain't no damn mistake that's a trailer house that's a rummage sale that's a damn mistake that ain't those 20,000 square foot mansion and people got really nice dish that they didn't know

He's sitting out there. If it's anything other than Miles Garrett and Fanning. It's off limits. Oh, Denzel Ward is off limits too, huh? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, I'm saying there are like three like Fanning, Miles Garrett and Denzel Ward. You ain't touching.

Anything else you can make me an offer. Damn, that's crazy. Because I think if you, if you bring it in, it's hard for me to see a scenario, Ocho. And I think Sjouder has shown flashes, but it's just hard for me to see they're not going to get another quarterback. And if you're going to get another quarterback, Ocho,

I mean, you don't let Stefansky coach Baker, you don't let him coach Deshaun, you let him coach Flacco, you let him coach Gabriel and Shadour. I think it's time to turn to those. with somebody else. As a matter of fact, you can get, you can get even more. Even though you say these off limits, imagine what you can get if you were able to get

Miles Garrett gone or let him get up out of there because you're not going to be any closer to winning anything with him than you are without him. I agree, but here's the thing. Do you trust them picking? Ocho, it don't do no good. That's like somebody having, we talked about this, Ocho, somebody having $100 million but got bad habits. How soon is that money going to be gone?

Are you trusting them to pay? pick, even though if you got two, three, first-round draft picks a couple of second rounders, do you think, are you trusting them to pick the right guy? And that's the hard part. You can pick the right guy, right? It's based off what you see on film, it's up to that guy, is up to that guy to pan out. It's up to them to develop those players coming in as rookies. Maybe the, maybe the Browns have a development problem.

Maybe that's an issue. Maybe. A development problem, because you're picking them high for, reason. It should be no reason that a player looks one way in college and you watch him on film and say, you know what, this player can help us. He can make us better. And all of a sudden, they make it to the league. They make it to your team and it don't work out. Huh? The problem is at home. Because Baker Mayfield went one. And ever since he got where he belonged, in the right situation

surrounded by the right of port and cast he'd been playing well. Yeah. So that's, that's, you know, Jimmy said that he wants to give to Fansky and he wants to give Andrew

Barry a second chance, you know, a chance to rebuild his roster after so much they gave up. And they did. They gave up a King's ransom. It made the Texans into what they are. Well, actually, Lovie Smith did that by winning that ball game. Well, you know what?

If he's going to give Stafansky a chance to rebuild after giving away a king's ransom to get Deshaun, that would take another three years. That would take another three years. Because, also, it wasn't that they had all those picked the Texans, is that they nail it. them perfectly they used those picks to get a cj strowell they used that pick to trade back up and to get a c j andersen they got a nico collins will will will anneson junior my bad who did i say you said c jr sryl will and nico collins so when you hit on those picks the Browns I mean

you got to get a quarterback if you and I believe look I think Shadoor has done some great things but I do not believe the Browns are satisfied I believe the Browns

are going to try to go into the draft and get a quarterback if they can't find one in free agency but they can go into the draft and the cycle going to continue to repeat itself I mean that's

not a knock on the players coming into the draft, but that's a knock on the Browns itself and being able to develop players. But you didn't have been through 237,000 quarterbacks and none of paying out. True.

But when you think about it, Ocho, look at what Chicago did. Look at what they got. They parlayed that. They say, know what, hey, Carolina, y'all want the number one pick? Give us y'all number one pick next year.

Oh, that's Caleb Williams. Now, we need to put some pieces around the quarterback. Let's make a trade for DJ. I tell you what, give us your first round. Hey, give us that pick. And by the way, we want DJ more. Let's start with that. So now

Hmm Let's go Go to Roman Dunez Let's go Luther Burke 3rd Let's draft Colston Lublin

And you know what We got Our quarterback Getting hit too much Dalman Joe Thuny Jackson Step right up

Ta-da You got a bill You look at what they did in Detroit. Amon Rosson and Brown. James. Jack Campbell. They, Hawkinson,

they trade Hawkinson, get Leporteur. Jamir Gibb. They bring in David Montgomery via free agency. Terran Arnold, boy, he got, he two hands.

He's got to do better. He got to do better. He got to do better with his hands. He got to do better with his hands. So it's going to be, it's going to be interesting to see what the Browns do. That's going to be the storyline. I think, I think Andy's going to stay with their situation. So Daniel Jones is not going to be available.

I'm trying to think Willis, Malik. Malik Willis is going to be available. is he I look what he's been able to do in Green Bay is phenomenal I

yeah it's phenomenal but you got to be careful you got to be careful because what he did in Green Bay was phenomenal because what he has around him true

so if you go somewhere else based on what you saw him do in Green Bay if you're bringing them into your organization do you have those same type of pieces Do you have that same important cast? I agree.

All that comes into play, which for some reason, scouts and GMs and those who make the calls, they ignore that. Yeah. Because do you look at, look at what they gave, look at what they gave Caleb Williams, Bryce Young, they took McMillan, they get Ligette, Jimmy Horn. They tried to bring it Adam feeling that they ended up moving on. They brought in Ruko Dadell to, uh, Daudel to, uh, Daudo to be able to run the football. You, you, you got, you, you, you've got to get a guy weapons. So if you don't have any weapons, why are you bringing Malik Willisian? Or if you, you can bring him in, but are you going to bring weapons with him?

Are you going to go into free agencies like, hey, wide receiver, draft a couple of wide receivers. Because we had the gentleman on last night, Jail and Noel. He's like, man. When they took Hutchinson, I like, hey, they took me out of the board. Because now they got Hutchinson and they got, and they got Nico. What did he need me for? And if I'm not mistaken, they got Christian Kirk. Because Tank Dale was injured.

Now, maybe he comes back next year. We'll be interesting to see because that was a gruesome injury that he suffered. Took Higgins. I meant to say Higgins. But they got a Hutchinson too, right? Yeah, they're not here. Okay, okay. Well, he's part of the thinking they got, hold on, they drafted receiving Hutchinson.

They got a Nico Collins, who's a pro bowl player. They just took my ex-teamate in Higgins. What the hell they need me for? And they got Christian Kirk. You can never have enough weapons. The last thing you want to do is run out. And having them weapons is very important knowing how to use them to. Knowing how to use them.

Hey, but even if you know how to use them, if you ain't got the right weapon, it don't matter. That, that too. Man, y'all need to stop. Y'all just trying to start something. But it's, anyway. Oh, you giving up on Shadour. Oh.

Let me ask you guys, right now. any amount of money you bet any amount of money that you do bet would you willing to bet that the Browns do not take another quarterback either in pregency or the draft? Yes or no. How much money are you willing to bet to say

no, they don't? Or y'all just want to talk ish? That's what I thought. They're not a whole lot of quarterbacks unless you're proven or they're going to in the drive to get one. Or they go get one

free agency. Unless you one of these top 10 quarterbacks, you are Dak Prescott or you are Patrick Mahomes. Joe Josh. Yeah. Joe Lawrence. Herbert. So let me ask you a question.

Do you think that the Los Angeles, the Las Vegas Raiders, are they going to get a quarterback? Yes or no? Arizona Cardinals, will they get a break a quarterback in or draft a quarterback? Yes or no. sometimes like when you look when you do an analyst job sometimes you got to take emotions out of it you got to take feelings out of it

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Do they care about the Browns or they care about Shador? Let's be real. I like that. So What? Yeah, it's no battle what I want. Yeah, it's no battle what I won't. I own the team.

See, if Ocho and I own a team, we can put in and play whoever we wanted to. Kind of like what Jerry does. We don't own a team. I hope y'all, y'all actually think Jimmy Haslow, Andrew Barry, And Kevin's too fast can actually listen to us on nightcare. Yeah.

Hey, our voice is loud, man. They listen. They might not do what we say. Oh, but they hear us. Oh, they listen. I need, like I said, if I had a team, yeah. Then I get the pick and choose. Be realistic.

Hey, you know there's power in the tongue, huh? What? There's power in the tongue. You won a team. Bro. Oh, Joe. The cheapest team is the Cincinnati Bengals. They're valued at $5.5.5 billion.

So 10% of that is $500 million. Where the hell are we coming? There's a reason why you don't see no minority. Hey, you don't know what God has plan for us. Well, I hope he revealed it to me real soon. Hey, it's always on his time. It's one thing. I ain't interested in that.

I don't really care about that, Ocho. I don't care about owning no, being no, it'll be great. Yeah, it would be great. Man, you, man, you know Sharp. Man, you know Ocho and Sharp, they're minority owners with the dolphins or the Falcons or this or that. It's great to see Warwick Dunn. He's a minority owner with the Falcons.

Great, love it. My brother plays in his golf tournament every year. Venus and Serena, a minority owner. owner with the dolphins. It's great. But, oh, man.

You see, you remember there's like, well, as Eli, he wanted to be part, wanted to be a, a minority owner with the,

what you call him? Ten, a minority is 10% of less. A billion dollars. He said no. What, what, what,

what player other than Michael Jordan can stand and say, go get along for a billion dollars? Damn, I just think about that. A billion. That's what it takes 10% of the giants is a billion dollars. Who got that kind of money? Shoot.

Hey, I know somebody we can go to. Who? You ever been to Sen. Aloha, Mexico? No. And I don't plan on going to Centalore. I'm just saying, I got a couple of homie. They got, they got a big.

Or Cali, Columbia. Yeah. You asked me, do I know anybody got a big? Or Bogota. You ask me, do I know anybody got to be? just sitting around. Yeah, I do. I don't know if they're giving to us. I don't want it.

I don't want it. Y'all just throwing names out. Ain't nobody get no billion dollar loan. A billion dollars. Y'all understand a billion dollars. A billion would a be. Not a hundred million, a billion. maybe people don't understand

how much money that really is. It's not. They don't. A Beyonce in the billionaire club. But here's the thing. If you go get a loan for a billion dollars, how are you living? Because you got to be enough.

That's all your assets. That's not like Elon Musk worth $750 billion. Or Larry Ellison, or Bryn or Paige. Bezos, Zuckerberg. I got a question, though. If Elon Musk is worth that much, right? You know how you have your bank account apps on your phone.

If he was to open up one of his accounts, how much you think is sitting in there? How much do I think he got liquid? Yeah, that's, yes. Maybe a billion dollars. Because what he does is that he borries against the. stock that he has. If he don't, if he don't pay, they just take the stock and sell it.

It's a, it's a very complex game that they play, and they play it very well. Yeah. And, you know, that's what people do. They bar it against what they have. Man, if you don't pay it back, they just take it and sell it. That's crazy.

But. Hell, I hope Shoulder goes out there Throw for 400 on y'all Oh, who? Y'all But that offensive line That he got protecting him

And this is Jordan battle DJ Turner Maybe we not have Demetrius night Did you see that left tackle? Can you imagine if the left tackle for the Browns and the right guard for the Ravens was on the same team?

He that bad? The left tackle. My thing is, I'm trying to figure out how he's been able to play in the league so long and be that bad. Yeah, he's terrible. Hey, you know left tackle is a very difficult position, huh? Well, he should play guard. Or center, or right tackle, or right guard. Ooh, that's, that's tough, man.

It's a reason why the left tackle make the most money, most money. Yes, it is. That blind side. So, no, but we're going to win the lottery. We're going to keep playing the lottery. We're going to let AI chat, GPT, pick our numbers.

We don't hit it. Because every time they have the lottery, guess what? They got to miss the numbers we selected. All we got to do is be right one time. Every time they have a drawing, they got to miss the numbers that we selected. We just got to be right once

It's going to happen Oh yeah, for sure I'm trying to think What could we What can we buy for Joe? What can who buy? We are We're going to go buy up all type of real estate

So we can just sit back and relax Buy up a whole bunch of estate. I got to make an endowment to Savannah State first. I'm making one. I'm making one in the fam. I got to make an endowment to Savannah State.

We're about to go to the Division 2 playouts because we're going to get us a good old coach. We're going to get us somebody with a big name. Hey. I'm, ooh. What? I'm just trying to think. we win that that kind of money

that type of lump sum and 400 million 500 million We've already had money And touch money Just not money That's different

You know I'm gonna go I'm gonna go home Have all my family get together We ain't been together since Granny passed in 2011 That's one way to get them together Without it being a funeral and promise them something

and get them country bums nothing when they come. Joe, I know you heard this, you and Joe. Trayvon Diggs was released by the Cowboys and later picked up by the Packers. Brian Schottenheimer said the first time Trayvon Diggs approached him about wanting to stay in D.C.

was after Dallas win against the commanders on Christmas. Schottinheimer added his protocol is unless there's a fan. family emergency, all players fly to and from the game as a team. And the other players asked early in the week and were told the... What's up? It's Cam Jordan. I'm back with Season 3 of your favorite podcast, the Off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast. Tap in every Wednesday to hear conversations with my friends and stars for the NFL,

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rules you have to follow. There are standards that you set in place as a team that all players have to follow. But due to the circumstances, right? Unk, stay with me real quick, Unk. You probably feel different about this. Due to the circumstances, as a coach, one player asking, is it okay if I stay behind the C family and do whatever it is, even if it's not a family emergency, knowing that our season is over, we're not going nowhere, Joe, Joe, we ain't going nowhere. Hey, coach, listen, I just want to stay your hand, man, real quick with the family. I'm going to be back the following day. I'm going to come back the following day, okay?

I mean, I don't, me, obviously, I'm on the outside looking in now. I don't see no problem with it, especially when, okay, it's not like we were preparing for the next season. Okay, we have to, we have to prepare for the following week versus the last game of the season. We ain't going to the playoffs. Joe, we ain't going nowhere, Joe. Didn't that man tell you? So let me ask your question. Did he fly early in the week to go see his family?

or did he fly on the team plane? Talk to me. The man told you, we fly, we came as a team, we're leaving as a team. Everybody kept talking about what Shottie went to Wyoming. Shottie did not go to Wyoming from D.C. He flew his ass back to Dallas and then got on the plane and went to Wyoming. Yes, sir. You know what, Chad, excuse me, Ocho and Joe, I like to give context.

Terrell Davis led to the AFC in Russian in 296, 97, he won the Super Bowl. MVP in 97. He was a three time first team all pro 2,000 yards won the MVP. We were played the Giants on a Saturday. He had an appearance for Sesame Street. Mike, can I stay? No, you're getting on the plane. We came as a team and leaving as a team. He flew all the way back to Denver only to get his ass, go to bed, get up the next morning and catch a plane back. Yeah. Now I told you, I've been telling you since we got on this thing, Ocho, and I'm not here to beat up Trayvon Digg, but what did I tell you? I kept telling us,

that, Ocho, you never tolerate anything in a win, you wouldn't have a loss. Yes, sir. I also told your production and tolerance. Now, you, if you, he said there was a lot of other reasons. You mean to tell me this is the first year that Trayvon Diggs has blown off a treatment. He's been late to something.

I guarantee you, I bet your door knob to a bucket of cow manure, and the door knob is diamond, a 50-carried diamond, flawless, deep, flawless, internally flawless, if you want to make it. it. I guarantee you the season that he had 11 interceptions. He was the first team all pro. I bet you he was late to something. Yeah. You see what happened? They were tolerating behavior when they were winning that they couldn't stomach when they were losing.

Yes, sir. You see how to go, Joe? Now, I also told you, Ocho, he took chance. I say, you got to be careful because he's not a speed merchant. If you lose anything, you take those same risk, you're going to set yourself up for failure. Now, when he came back, see, you didn't notice this, Ocho. They play the cover. They're promotion McConkey. They ran him up the rail. He's trying to play two to one. They threw the ball over his head. Yeah, yeah. See, I see everything.

But how about going to say nothing? Because I don't want people to think I'm beating up. I'm just trying to provide you context. I gave you another story. Shannon Sharp, 2002. My grandmother's in the hospital. We play Tampa on a Saturday night. I go to Coach Billick.

I say, Coach Billick, my grandmother's in the hospital. I want it if it'll be okay. that if I stay overnight and then go, I had already told him, but I just wanted to make sure. I said, Coach Billy, you remember I talked to you earlier this week? I said my grandmother's in the hospital.

We're close by. If it's a problem, I'll get back on the plane because I don't want, I don't want anything. He said, you know, hey, I'm glad you're reminding me. But hey, go take care of your grandmother. I stayed overnight, Sunday, got up, flew to Savannah,

stayed there, come back Tuesday. I was in meeting on Wednesday. Wednesday. he said unless it's in a family emergency joke yeah yeah yeah a family emergency Mike Shanahan made TD a Super Bowl MVP a league MVP a three-time first team all pro he had an appearance in New York oh Joe he there do you know how long the flight is back to Denver and then had to get got to

They turn right back. Five long ones. Yeah. That's cold enough. I'm just trying to explain something to you, chat. I'm not trying to beat up Trayvon Diggs, but once the man told you, but I saw, I told, Joe, you weren't known this summer.

I told Ocho, when Michael Parsons was laying on that table. What did I tell you, Ocho? Oh, he was gone. That was it. That was it. That was it. But, you know, Michael Parsons wanted, at that point, Joe, Micah ain't there.

At that point, at that point, body language was let you. you know. I'm done. When Trayvon Diggs, obviously, another point on, you think about the situation where he chose not to get treatment on his knee in the offseat, and he chose to do it away where he was rehabbing that and decided not to do it in Dallas at the facility so they can keep track and see how far you come along. That might be part of where it all starts as far as this year is concerned. I'm not talking about. Jane Slater. Go ahead, don't you go ahead. Finish it. No, but I'm just saying, Joe, I know, now I'm thinking, I'm thinking about what I get with the healthy Trayvon Diggs.

I understand what you do. Joe A. Unk, I say it all the time, and I talk about the defensive backs in the NFL when it comes to them playing. Now, I like a healthy Trayvon Digg because 95% of the defensive backs in the NFL, they play football, not to get beat. And you got 5%. Unk and Joe, you got 5% that's out there to make a play. And Trayvon Dizzy is in that 5%.

I don't care what nobody's safe. He's in that 5%. I'm going to try to make a play. Sometimes you try to make that play, he gambles. I got to play, but you got to play within the scheme, Ocho. Ocho, hey, I'm going to be late. I need you to cover for me. I can't just be late and don't tell you can cover for me.

Right. So he can't play a coverage without telling the safety. Hey, look, man, hey, get over the hop top of this because I'm going to jump it. I'm going to jump, yeah, yeah. Brian Schottenheimer is trying to change the culture. Hopefully Jerry has allowed him to do it because far too many times since Jimmy was gone,

players could do something circumvent the head coach Joe and go straight and go straight to Jerry. Hopefully Jerry now has a wall up that says, nah, y'all deal with Shottie because you got to change the culture. Now, I don't know if this is true, but there was a guy talking about and I guess he's a day-to-day guy,

I guess he's a beat rider or something. And he was saying that when they were doing team stretching, he said everybody would be in their groups and they'd be stretching, so forth and so on. He said, but Parsons and Diggs were off to the side doing their own things. He said it rubbed him the wrong way. Now, I don't know that's true. Maybe he got an extra grind with Micah.

Maybe he got an ax to grind with a Trayvon. I don't know. But as Shottie said, one of the reasons that we cut him was because we told him that he was not allowed to stay. And then there were a host of other reasons. So production and tolerance. Ocho, let me ask you a question. Oh, to me. Had he stayed, Joe, had he stayed, but he had six picks,

four pass breakups, a forest fumble. Are they cutting? No, sir. No, absolutely not. Okay. Actually, hey, I got another question for you, too. Uh, and Joe, let me tell you something. Joe, I know that's your team, ma'am.

Yeah, sir. You love your Dallas Cowboys. I understand that, but think about all the people, uh, hey, uh, and in chat, think about all the people that have recently that have left the Dallas Cowboys tell me how they've done once they departed. I'm telling you, Joe, stay, stay with me. Joe, I ain't trying to talk.

I'm not talking about the Cowboys in general. I'm talking about the players that have been able to define love and go on to greener pastures. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone seemed to seem to produce and maybe for Trayvon Diggs, maybe it's great that he's going to a chance to see him. Not only he's going to a team, he's going to a team

and had the chance to compete in the postseason for a change. He says he's healthy. Come on now. The Cowboys for the longest time said that he wasn't. Jerry said that he wasn't healthy. Shottie says that he wasn't healthy. I don't, oh Joe, you and I not there.

We don't see the man. He said he's healthy. I've got to take his word for it. Even though they say he's not, they are not in his body. Just like when people tell me, hey, you don't know how bad this pain is. Don't tell me I'm good.

Right, right. Hell, I know my pain level of the three. hell of pain in which I could in which I can handle again chat I don't mean to be the dead horse it's called production and tolerance yeah when production is up here tolerance is up here tolerance will never outweigh production I don't give a damn who you are yeah you see it all the time well how was he able to get it because he makes the company money he produces sacks interception yards touchdown that's how take take your time now come on my coach in college told us he said i'm going to treat y'all all fair yeah but i ain't treating you the

same right right hey a um and a little bit though i'm there's a way you got to do things right yes you have to learn as a player you have to learn to play the game within the game yes i kind of see i see your side clear as day i see your side clear as day but i'm just understanding as the coach think because of all the issues that he's had with Trayvon in general at the with the team that we don't know about the rest of the stuff yes why he didn't grant him that reason to stay back I think I think I think it would have been different it was someone else that may have asked and you know what I'm happy I just want to see my family a little bit it's okay if I stay back and do X Y Z but the fact that they asked him to do things in the past and he

chose not to be there. hell no we need to let you stay you get on this flight if you need to go wherever you need to go you catch you and go all the way back we'll be flying from and then we'll see you wednesday morning hey i i agree with y'all saying i think it i think it was time for trayvon to get a uh change of senior i'm with you on that ohcho but the grass ain't always green over there bro oh it's green it's green it's green it's green and green bay no no no Hey, what you always say every year, you've got to update your resume now. You got to update your resume.

You know, we don't know what next year going to. Ocho, no, he not, Ocho know he ain't the same player. Yeah, but, hey, listen, sometimes you're not the same player. You go in the right situation, the right environment. You're able to flourish. But I'm supposed to give you the same money even though you're not the same player. I mean, we ain't going that far yet. But here's the thing, Ocho.

Plus, he didn't have any more guaranteed money. So I got no more obligation. I ain't got to pay you no more because guess what? Now, even now the Green Bay picked them up, they got to pay that $420, $230,000 for that last game check. I ain't got nothing to do with that. You know what? They're not really worried about that.

I know what they know. They understand the piece that they are getting and they're going to put the piece that they are getting based on what they see, what they've seen and what they're knowing he can do and put him in position to be able to do the things that he's good at. And I like that for Young Bull. I mean, I wish it would have worked out because who doesn't want to to play for Dallas, Joe and all, who don't want to have that goddamn star on the helmet.

But I think the situation and the relationship with the Cowboys and Trayvon Diggs is going, it's going sour. Yeah, it was headed that way. James Slater, my point was Joe and Ocho, Jane Slater, who's the insider who covers the cowboys, and she's like Mary Kay Cabot. When Mary Kay Cabot speaks about the Cleveland Browns, you listen to her. When Jane Slater speaks about the Cowboys, you listen to her. Yes, up.

And she was like, he reached out. to her, but she said she can't recall where Jerry has ever find a player for not showing her. I think she's been covering them for a decade

at least a decade. And she said she can't remember. So that should have been an indication to Trayvon, right? That was a warning, no, Cho. Yeah. I don't really, if I'm going to, if I'm crossing the railroad, road tracks.

I don't really have to see the train if I see them arms go down and the red light flashing. I don't even got to see it. I just know the train you're coming. Oh, yes. Come on now. All the time that he's probably been fine.

I'll be all the times they've been done. Jerry probably forgade that because he had 11 picks. He's the first team all pro. He's going to Pro Bowl. So once them arms come down, and I'm coming to a railroad track, man, what a train that, man, I can beat it. Brown, po.

That should have been an indication. I believe Brian Schottonheimer is trying to change the culture there. Too many times guys have been doing whatever they want to do. Nah, we're a team. That's one thing Mike preached. Nah, we're not going to come out here. We're not in all tournament team. You're going to be dressed like you dress on Sunday.

Now, if you don't wear pads on Sunday, come out to practice with no pads. But if you wear pads on Sunday, don't you bring your ass out here with no pads. So whoever don't have on pads and you wear pads on Sunday, take your ass back inside. I ain't moved because I ain't wear no pads. All I had was shoulder pads of the helmet.

That's how you have to do it, Ocho. If you want to change the culture, sometimes Joe, and you know this in basketball, you gotta get some of your better players because they're bad apples, you gotta get them out of there. Because sometimes some of your best players are most influential.

and they'll influence other guys. And I don't want that on, Joe. Hey, I feel you, I'm, but you already know what you need when it comes to winning games, right? Yeah. You know, you know what you're going to need. You're going to need some dogs.

Yeah, well, they want to get some D-Lylimin. That's what they need. They need somebody that can hunt the quarterback. That, too. That too. I don't care. I don't care anything about, I don't care who they are.

You better get somebody to go hunt that quarterback because without that pressure, if you let him sit back there and just pat this ball like a seven-on-seven, you saw the game on Sunday night. You saw what they did. You saw the Rams and Seahawks. Go up and down the field.

You've got to have somebody to put pressure in that quarterback, Ocho. I don't care how good your cornerbacks are. They can't hold up all day. They cannot. made him do it and and for the production that Trayvon was giving them yeah they finally said you're not worth the heading well listen they said with one game left in the season and they're not going to the postseason i mean that too that i told you they were moving on after the season

he just sped the process up he expedited and you know what i think i think he doesn't see no problem with that because if he saw a problem with that if he was worried about the the consequences of him stand back he wouldn't have done it he wouldn't have done it because they already told him no so he sped it up also we have to see man you know what man we ain't going no goddamn well they they've been playing with me i'm telling them healthy they not me they not let me play i was i'm a healthy guy a healthy goddamn scratch i play today i'm asking if i could stay back they said no you know man yeah these people let me ask your question oh cho you got there three years you've been that last three years

you got three touchdowns. Cincinnati they're not going to let you do what they normally do if you had 13 touchdowns in three years. But listen, I'm witching what you're writing. I'm picking up with you. I'm watching right and I'm picking up with touchdown. Cincinnati let you act the fool.

You had 1,300. You have 1,400. You had 1,600. You had 1,600. You had 90 catches. You had 85 catches. You got 55 catches. Uh-uh.

Your name Chad Johnson, and you need to act accordingly. I'm just telling ideas. I'm just telling you. That's how it works in the real world. You ask, well, man, such and such late, such and such, he might be 20 minutes late, 30 minutes late. But when he's here, he's very productive.

He gets the job done. You hear early and be bulljabing. You at the water cooler gossiping about he late. He come in late, sit his ass down at his desk, a cubicle, and go to work. guys life ain't fair it ain't got to stop judging and think everybody will i do it doesn't work like that it never has and it never will once you understand that job the job life is so it's so it's so easy yeah it is a aunt oh a uncle jo when it comes to basketball when it comes to football when it come to the corporate world, when it comes to any and everything dealing with life in general,

it's a game within the game. And the better you learn the game, the better off you are. You better off you are. The higher you are at the top of whatever it is you're doing, the more you get to play the game, your way. Yes. But if you're not up there, if you're not the big dog, if you're not the one calling the shots, you have to learn to play the game. And I think the thing is, Ocho, you mentioned that he's now in Green Bay, his best friend, Michael Parsons in Green Bay, although we know Michael, towards knee ligament and he's going to be out, but he's there with somebody familiar. We talked about, we talked to the young gentleman last night, Higgins, Iowa State receiver goes in the second round, and then he goes in the third line, Jaylon Noel, he goes in the third round, he goes in the third round, familiarity, someone there that he knows. He's not going to be there by himself. But I just. I just want him to get back to being who and what he is. He has to understand, Ocho, when you're not a speed.

The thing is when you're not a speed merchant, Ocho, and you have a knee injury, see, like Tyreek, like you said, okay, Tyreeks is not going to be four, two, five. He's going to be four, three, eight, four, flat. That's still faster than 85, 90 percent of the NFL. Absolutely. But when you four, five, five, four, six, and you have an injury, nah, you got to play, you got to play the defense, Coole, you got to play straight up. And also, not only do you have to play straight up,

it's all about having a feel for the game and understanding the game. You played DB for a very long time. You being 4-5 and having somebody 4-3 across from you, you understand it's all about leverage. It's all about angles, using your hand to be able to reset yourself, reposition the line of scrimmage. It's so many different things.

And I love, you know how I feel when it comes to talk about DBs. Yeah. I love that, Joe. I love talking about TV perspective because I play receiver. So I understand what you got to do as a DB, to be able to always be able to to flurts or throw into the ball. So I think even if he's not the same Trayvon Diggs-Avold, there are things that you can do to manipulate your game

to make sure you stay on top of your shit. Yeah, I think he'll still, the hardest thing to do. Go ahead, Joe. I think he'll still be effective, Uncle Ocho. I think he'll take some time to really get acclimated in Green Bay and really show that he can get back to back. being a top corner. So I'm sure you're going to take the challenge on this for sure.

Absolutely. The hardest thing to do is to convince ourselves we're not what we used to be. It's a real fine line between confidence and delusion. Come on, man. Be careful. Listen, I'm going to say it again, Ocho. There's a real fine line between confidence and delusion.

Yes, sir. How do we tell ourselves? How do we convince ourselves? Because this is what made us great. The confidence, Joe, that's what made Joe Johnson who he is. That's who made Ocho who he was, the confidence. But as we start to age, as we suffer injuries, and we're not the player that we once was.

We once, excuse me, we once were. How do we handle that? That's tough. Yeah. Damn. Sam and Johnson had a quote, he says, almost every man will waste a part of his life, Ocho, trying to possess characteristics he don't have

to gain applause for which he cannot keep. Come on now. Come on, hey, hold on, hold on. Hold on, do me in favor. Rewind that in the, for the people that didn't ear it so it can marinate a little bit. I say, a chat, don't y'all look at that real quick, man. We all, and we, every man will try to possess characteristics

he don't have, basically in the hopes of coming for something he's not, to gain fame, an applause for which he cannot keep. Come on, man. That's why I love just being myself, Joe, and I. I ain't never changed, Joe. Joe, they, hey, Joe, them folk tried to give me to change so bad in the league, Joe, I couldn't do it.

I didn't know anything else outside of just being myself. Joe, I ain't had no choice but to be good at what I do because I'm not conforming to what y'all think I should. Where the fuck was y'all when I was in elementary? This is high-active. When I was in high school and played and I scored, this is high-acted. Where was y'all when I was watching

the hurricanes in the 90s? and Randall Hill, Lamar Thomas, and all them boys, and Michael Irvin's scoring, they're acting a fool when I'm looking at the TV telling my grandma I want to be like them. What's y'all? Oh, now I made it. Now you're telling me I'm supposed to change.

Man, I'm going to be every bit of Liberty City and Day County. Sometimes I get a chance. I don't care about the money you paying me, Joe. You just had a good trip. Why you think I never change? I'm not here playing for the money. I'm going to remain authentically myself.

everything that made me me. And I'm going to keep doing it. It don't matter how much money you take from me. Joe, I play the game of football free because the one thing they use for us to be able to keep us under control and to keep the line, Joe, they take what they think we value most, Joe.

Yep. He's going to take his money. I valued it. Hey, you know what I love about our tight end, the all pro? You know what I love about him? He played his game for free. I'll get up and say, yeah, but everybody else need to play for free, too.

I ain't going to be the only mofo player for free. I just so we clear, Joe, you know what I'm saying? Joe, they use that he played for free. You're right. But I need everybody else to play for free too. I ain't the only one going to be playing for free. And the thing is on, Joe, Mike didn't really have a problem with celebrating and all that. He said, long you don't cost your team a penalty.

Yes, sir. So somebody did something dirty to me. I will get your ass back. I ain't going to cost you no penalty, but I will get you back. Yeah. I will get you back. Hey, hey, Joe, if one thing about it, Joe, you know, I, I hate to say it in this way, in these words, right? But that's the only way to keep them nigs in line.

Excuse me, excuse me my language, you know. You take the money. That's the only way. I got to take what you value. Hey, you got to take with the value. But in the mom, what they do, Ocho, to hit your family. Yeah. Because you value that.

Your mom, your wife, your kids, your mom, grandma. What do you value? see in the NFL they know you value you want to you work hard to get in the position Ocho became an all pro he became a pro bowl player so he can make money he value money that's why he worked his ass off he wanted it

he wanted to be able to be in position to take care of his family well let me take a little bit off of this office let me like this load a little bit yeah it ain't work it ain't work it ain't work it ain't work hey by the fact hey oh tell Joe by that time I tried to Hey, Joe, they, oh, kill me.

Hey, oh, you was at CBS then, huh? I was, I was, yeah. Oh, was that CBS, Joe? Let me tell you. That was before then. Oh, Joe, you know what that was before? That was before now, when everybody thought the game was sold. Because they really think the game sold now.

So if you were to do that now, man, they might, oh, Cho, they might suspend you for two games. What did you do, Ocho? Joe, I caught a call. They got a call, and he tried to get official a dollar. Like to change his mind on the call. Yeah, it was a catch. You know, and I forgot who, is it, Billick? Who was the Ravens coach at the time?

Brian Billick. Brian Billick threw a red challenge bag. I felt I caught the ball. So I'm thinking to myself, I'm sitting there, you know what? I'm going to just play around real quick. I had a dollar in my sock. The dollar in my sock was for a celebration. So I used the dollar as just a jokingly trying to bribe the refth

when he came up outside the replay booth. And I tried to hand it to him. like going here to do this call. Joe, they got to go. Joe, the NFL family about $30,000 the next morning. Oh, yeah, they ain't playing. Hey, look, look. But Joe, it's moments like that, Joe,

I ain't worried about that $30,000. I'm not even tripping. I'm not here having fun and entertaining. And on top of that, I'm playing to the top. I'm playing. I wouldn't just know anybody, Joe. I'm acting a fool, but I'm great at what I do. as far as producing this concern.

So, I mean, the Bengals ain't care because they understood, week in and week out, whether it was playing home all way, there's one person we don't have to worry about. He might act a fool and have some fun, but he's going to show up every effort of the game. Hey, okay, Ocho. Hey, look, I wouldn't give them nothing back.

You hear me? Man, I ain't, look. They got me with uniform. How much was it? They got me with uniform, Joe. thing Joe socks hey I'm gonna you know you got you can't show no skin so Joe the guy tackle me I'm supposed to pull my socks up bro I ain't I ain't thinking about that man I'm thinking about the next way I'm thinking about beating old boy again or beating somebody

else and they find y'all for that how much are finds me yeah yeah yeah my mother yeah the first the first offense was 5,000 and that that's another place where all my money win. I wore a stream of towel, Joe. You know the little gatorade towels y'all had, the long gatorade tiles built a bench. I cut me a stream of a towel and had a stream of a towel hanging on the side of my hip. Mind you, they give you towels a well. Joe, I want mine long. I want mine long and pretty. So when I run, it's blowing in the win. If you look at some pictures of me, sometimes I have an orange chin strap, depending on what color jersey we're wearing, sometimes they have a black chin strap. Joe, I ain't, man, sometimes my cleats was gold.

Joe, our colors with orange or black. What I'm doing with gold? You're just doing what you want to do right there. I'm doing, man, I'm listening. You look good, you play good. And if you play good, yeah, Joe wasn't lying, Ocho. And Joe's whole career, he was only fined $6,000. Hey, yeah, man, that ain't even for nothing back.

Man, hey, Ocho, why I'm from? Two technical five and an ejection. Why I get ejected? I got ejected. I think it was like one time. But I'll. For real. No, you, you, you, you, you'll cut the ref house?

There must have been something, must be, no, no, I don't complain to the rest when I played me. I played through all that. So if I, if I got on to the ref, it's because it's something really happy man, and you missed it, bro. He deserved it, yeah, yeah, you deserved it. But I ain't just out there just hollade the ref for no reason, nah. Mm-hmm. Remember, Ocho, you take this with you. Almost every man will waste a part of his life trying to possess qualities.

He does not have an attempt to gain applause for which he cannot keep. Come on now. Come on now. Oh, let me ask you this. Do you think he can actually help the Packers defense the Packers have the seventh best past defense in 2025? Was this a favor of Micah or do you believe Trayvah? Because they're kind of banged up in the secondary.

Yeah. But do you believe he can actually help them? Yeah, I believe so. I believe so. The fact that they're seventh in past defense, they're going to put him in positions to be able to do what he does well, whether we believe he's the same or not, and they're going to be all right.

Obviously, that front four that you do have that can get home when they do play once they get into the postseason, I think Trayvon is going to be spectacular in the way they use him. And that's what matters most. It's not like, damn, our front four is not good. We can't get to the quarterback. So now we need our back end to carry us and do what they do. Man, and people may, Joe, you've got maybe two, damn, maybe three seconds to throw the ball when you're playing against them goddamn packets, even in the absence, the microphone.

Aaron Glenn's job with the Jets is not safe after the team's disappointing performance to end the season per Armando Sal Garrett. Ocho, we had a conversation last night. Remember what I said, Ocho? I say, getting beat like this here. I said, I want to be looking like, damn. I don't know. I don't think I made the right decision as a head coach.

Glenn was a very popular coach prospect in January and landed with the Jets as a nostalgic mood to return the former quarterback to its old team. Cool story, but this is starting to feel like Gerard Mayo in New England last season. Glenn is not safe. Oh, Joe?

That hurt, huh? The difference is that he doesn't have a quarterback. They have, they had Drake May. who is the prospect and are you going to go into the draft, get a quarterback, because at the end of the day, I don't care who you bring in. As good as Mike Brable in Tennessee, as long as he's getting quality quarterback play,

he was doing good. But when he wasn't getting quality quarterback play, and I think he's a phenomenal coach. But most phenomenal coaches have quality quarterbacks. Look at the quarterback. the coaches that's in the Hall of Fame. Oh, yeah. They all have.

Most of them except Joe Gibbs and Bill Parcells, guess what they have? Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Every coach that's in the Hall of Fame, other Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells, had a Hall of Fame quarterback.

So all this, you know, Eric Glenn, look, the last couple of games he hadn't looked with. He didn't look good. Yesterday, and look, having talked to owners and been around this thing for a long time, that's the last thing you don't want to look. Hey, not like that, Ocho. Not like this.

Because it looks like the team, and I'm not saying they did, because it's hard for me to conjure up saying it. But it looked like they mailed it in. 35 to 3-0 at the half, quarterback through five touchdowns. he had two incomplete passes. You got to go back a long time, 40, 50 years to have somebody complete that many passes. Be that efficient?

Hey, that sucks. One year? Oh, we're going to give you one year. See what you can do on a team that was already bad before you got here? That sucked. They did love it like that. Remember the old Houston, Texas coach?

They did him like that. They did Steve Wilts like that. and in Arizona. He had a bad quarterback. They lost, and guess what? They ended up drafting Kyle Murray and brought a new quarterback, then brought Cliff Kingsbury into coaching.

So this is an uncharted territory. I will. It's not uncharted territory, but I wish owners would understand, you know. It takes time. It takes time. Unless your timing is right and you get lucky. And you get lucky first.

You ain't getting lucky unless you got a quarterback. You got to have a competent quarterback and be able to build around that. You do. You absolutely do, Ocho. I'm not going to lie to you about that. You absolutely do. I think he needs at least another year, Ocho. You took his two best players on the defensive side of the football

and then you wonder why they're struggling. They thought they had the guy with Justin Fields. He's not it. And maybe, maybe he needs to go. somewhere else. Maybe he's a Sam Donald situation. We saw Sam Donald with Jets. We saw Sam Donald in Carolina. We also saw Sam Donald as a backup

in Sam Fran. He looked okay. And then he got the job in Minnesota. Now, he's still a turnover machine. Let's not lose side of that, Ocho. He is a turnover machine. But he looked better in Minnesota and in Seattle than he ever did look at the other previous stop. Maybe Justin Fields needs to go somewhere else.

But I just, I just. What quarterback has looked good with the Jets? Not. I'm just curious. Pennington. Chad Pinnington. We got to go back 22 decades. Damn.

But, all right, we'll get you out of here on this. It's time for our final segment of the evening. Time for Q and A. Hey, um. You can hear me? Yeah. Hey, what do you call a guy with a rubber toe? What do you call a guy with a rubber toe?

Roberto. I don't know what you call it. Roberto. Roberto. Lord, how mercy. Keep a dog with you. You said, oh, I enjoy watching the Elway documentary today. Thank you, man. I appreciate that. Like I said, I got an opportunity to sit down

with seven on last week and it's coming out Wednesday. So I'm extremely excited about that. It's been a while since I actually got an opportunity to see him. But he was in good spirits. It's good to see him. It was also good to get back. And I didn't really see anybody because we were at the stadium. They were practicing because they had the Christmas Day game, Ocho. So originally we were scheduled to shoot at the facility, but, you know, they moved it, went up going to the stadium, which was great. So I appreciate the Broncos, letting us to have the facility to shoot this. So appreciate it.

The Sean Show, Uncle Ocho, if y'all were on the O'N16 Lions or Browns, could y'all have gotten them a win? No. Absolutely not because quarterback play was that bad. It's hard to overcome bad quarterback play. Councilor at large, not a gang, bang, bang.

Faithful, baby. Now look good. Moonlight right, Derek Henry for MVP, where would the Ravens be without him? Bro. For a running back to get that MVP, he's going to have to break Ead's record

and LT's touchdown record. I mean he'd have to have, what, 2,000-some yards, 32 touchdown. over 2,100 and 32 touchdowns. And then pray, somebody doesn't break Peyton Manning's record at that same year. Trade News from 68,

how long does it take for NFL Road teams to leave the stadium after the game? Ocho, do you have a joke for us tonight? Or Ocho told you a joke. Normally, they try to leave. Once the game ends, they try to be after the game

and on their way from the stadium. one hour after the game. One hour. Yeah. Or they'll leave you. I'm telling you, they will. Tenaja, 1367,

Lions should trade Jerry golf for Lamar Jackson. Why would, uh, why would the Ravens do that? Nah. Hey, that, that, that changes your offense completely. Hellbell, OG. Y'all stay with me. T. Higgins with the Chiefs or the Bills. Shoot.

Either one, he's cutting up. You think he leaving? No, I don't think he's leaving. Absolutely not. But I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, if the opportunity to present itself, I mean, he'd go over there with Josh Allen. You already know.

what's going to happen. Hell, he go over there with Patrick Mahone when he comes back. Oh, my goodness. That's a win-win either way you go. What's up? It's Cam Jordan. I'm back with season three of your favorite podcast, The Off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast.

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