Club Shay Shay - Best of NFL News Part 1: Giants get BIG MONEY John Harbaugh, & A.J. Brown must GO!

Episode Date: January 17, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson give you the Best of the NFL, reacting to several major league-shaking storylines. Unc and Ocho break down the breaking news of John Harbaugh signing a massive five-year, $100 million contract to become the next head coach of the New York Giants, Shannon gives his unfiltered take on why the Philadelphia Eagles should move on from A.J. Brown immediately and what it means for the team’s future. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - A.J. Brown trade talks8:34 - Mike McDaniel drawing heavy interest19:38 - 49ers WR, Demarcus Robinson joins the show31:24 - Darren Waller on witnessing McDaniel firing from Dolphins47:05 - John Harbaugh signs deal with New York Giants (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Go ahead and click that subscribe button below so you don't miss a single episode of Nightcap. That button right here. Come for the sports. Stay for the stories. Today's Eagle General Manager, Howard Roseman, was asked whether he's open to trading,

AJ Brown, to which Roseman responded. It's hard to find great players in the NFL and AJ is a great player. That's what we're going out looking for. When we go out in free agency and the draft is trying to find great players who love football and he's that. So that would be my answer. The question is, look, they understand it's hard to replace,

because I know what he is. Yeah. He's a proven commodity. Yeah. He's a pro-bow, all-pro, Super Bowl winning player. Yeah. When he wants to be that. Yeah.

And this year, for whatever reason, look, It's just hard. I don't know. Honestly, I don't know what motivates. I don't know what happens because he's like, when he won the Super Bowl, he's like, it wasn't fulfilling. Right.

Well, if you got, if you're making money, you want, you've been an all pro, you've gone to Pro Bowl, you win the Super Bowl, what is, what is left?

If I got a 30 plus billion dollar contract, I'm a Pro Bowl player, I'm an all pro player, and I'm a Super Bowl. And the Super Bowl isn't fulfilling, but I don't, I don't really know what else there is. is.

If you play a sport, Joe, you go, Joe, you, you, an all-N-B-A, all-star,

you win a champion, and you're like, and you're making $40 million a year, and you win the championship, and they come to you and say, Joe, how you feel? Like, I'm not,

it's not as fulfilling as I thought. No, no, I ain't going to say that. But I think, I ain't going to say that. I ain't going to say that. But I know for some guys,

man, when they feel like, they ain't bawling or doing their thing out there, man, they want their stats over championship. Now, they may not come out and say it, but that's what they want. It's like, man, we want a championship,

but, man, they ain't had but 20 yards. Two catches. Hey, go look at my Super Bowl numbers. There ain't nothing, but I got three rings and I'm going to pass down to each of my kids. Hey, that wasn't, the game plan didn't call for, Shannon Sharp to go, hey, why.

Right. I'm okay with that. Because at the end of the day, I was making good money. I've been a pro-bo player. I was an all-pro. After you become an all-pro. After you become a pro-bow player, the only thing left is won a championship is to solidify. Make sure people know that all those catches

and yards and everything that you was doing, well, yeah, you did that, but how many games did you win? Did your stats go to winning? Look at my numbers. When I called for 100 yards or caught a touchdown, we won. Yeah. That's all I cared about. I want to win.

All that other stuff, that's why I didn't get up. Look, and I look back at it, I say, man, I could have easily gone to John and say, hey, bro, hey, I need five yards. But I ain't never asked him to throw me the ball. Right. So they know what I can do.

I used to get upset, Joe, you know, then I'm bull-jotted-around all game long. Now here come to fourth quarter, we're down 14. You're going to ask me what I like. Yeah, now they're looking for you. I like for this game to be over, so I get my answer on that bus and get home.

You should have asked me this in the first quarter. But y'all were to spread it around. Yeah, yeah. Let everybody. Hey, let everybody touch it. Okay. Yeah. Keep doing what you doing.

Yeah. Hey, look. But like I said, you know, some cats want a ball go. Hey, look, I remember too, you know, coming down. It's the last five to seven minutes of a game. Now all of a sudden, everybody looking for you. They're looking for Joe to get us up out this rut. Yeah, what we've been doing the whole game?

You're going to be giving me the ball. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I understand, man. I understand. Hey, we're going to run this out. He's going to run this pit. Hey, we're going to run one-fold Joe. You at the top?

Yeah. Yeah. And look, we ain't ran it all their game. Why y'all run it now? Yeah. Yeah. I know exactly what you said. Yeah, we haven't been reading this in the first, second quarter, man.

What you're looking for? I think your brother on the floor sweep. No, he ain't sleep, but he died there. Phanos. Yeah. No, this is not. This is not. in my lap. This teddy bear in my lap.

The Athletic released the story today on Mike Tomlin's final team meeting with the Steelers players and the surreal scene surrounding it. Mike Tomlin told his team I think it's best for the organization for me to step down. T.J. White had tears welling in his eyes

and kept repeating. No, no, no. As Tomlin told the team, Joy Porter Jr. was reportedly hyperventilating. Aaron Rogers was sobbing and repeatedly saying, I'm sorry, the Steelers player gave Tomlin a standing ovation. That's what's up, man. That's when you know your guys respect you, bro.

Yep. They respect the heck out there, man, man, and what he's done for that organization. Yes. Yeah, and as a player, it definitely hurts you because, you know, you feel like you was a part of him getting out of there. Yeah, that's why those guys so hurt. They feel like, man, if we would have played at our high, peak, we could have, we could have avoided this situation.

So yeah, I can see why guys really taking it hard. I've done that. Yeah. I remember, and as I got older, I remember saying Coach Reeves, because the gym I used to go to, the church that he attended would, was right across the street. And I remember, I remember, like I were saying, you probably, it didn't close it down. But anyway, and I saw him, and I just, I remember going to him to him and say, coach, I'm sorry. He said, Shannon. He's the only one that never called me by my last name

or called me or called me 84. You'd always call me Shannon. He'd say, Shannon, what he's? I said, coach, I said, had I been the player that I became, maybe I could have saved the job. Right. And he just told me, he said, son, he said, that's nice of you to say,

but you ain't got nothing to apologize for. He said, I'm proud that we drafted you. I'm proud of the player that you became. Same thing with Wade Phillips. I was that player I had became that player but I did I did all I could I had you know

2,000 yard receiving had like 180 catches yeah it just wasn't meant to be like 178 catch 1608 catches it just wasn't meant to be Joe and then we didn't Mike but I hate

because that happened on my watch yeah what could I have done differently and I know for certain I'm not sure besides getting injured and having to take them and I wasn't 100% had I do believe had I became the player that I later became that ended up going into the pro football hall of fame I do believe I could have saved Dan's career

I believe I could have saved him in Denver now maybe at a late in any time Mr. B one maybe Mr. B just wanted to go in a completely different direction right maybe so because coach Reeves had been to three Super Bowls lost the AMC championship game so it wasn't like he was losing it, but he just wanted to go in a different direction. But it's tough.

Yeah. If you care, some people are like, hey, players, players get cut all the time. I don't look at it like that. Hey, look, my first year in Brooklyn, when I got traded to Brooklyn from Atlanta, I played, Avery Johnson was our head coach. Great dude, great dude. Yeah. accountability.

Like, he's going to be on you. Like, he's going to ride you hard, you know, tell you what the do's and don'ts. But, man, he was a hell of a coach, bro. I loved him as a coach. And for us to get off to such a slow start, my first year in Brooklyn, I think it was kind of why he got fired.

Because it happened on the off day for us. I'm at home. I'm watching ESPN. Ain't nobody called and been like, oh, we're going to get rid of Avery Johnson today. I'm watching on ESPN like everybody else. It come across breaking news. I'm like, damn.

So, yeah, I understand as a player, bro, you take heart to that because I'm like, yeah, such a dope coach, bro. Every January, we're encouraged to start over. But what if this year is about slowing down and learning how to understand ourselves more deeply? What if this year is about giving ourselves permission to feel what we've been holding and knowing that it's okay to ask for help?

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Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs of here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcasts with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. They're cheese. What's a rap?

It's time to rebuild. Who's your MVP right now then? Drake May up there. Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did he phone next at? He ain't too far behind. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro.

It's crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan. But Matthew Stafford got. better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation? He should be in it.

Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. Former Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel has already become a hot coaching candidate after being fired just a week ago from the Dolphins. McDaniel is set to meet with the Browns, Ravens, Falcons, Titans, according to NFL Network's Tom Pellisero.

Cleveland may get. the first wing at interview with McDaniel as their meeting is set for Monday. The team announced on social media. He previously worked for the Browns in 2014 as their wire receiver coach. Kyle was the offensive coordinator and he was the wire receiver coach.

Ocho, do you like the idea of Mike McDaniel coach you should do? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. All the teams you just name, I don't like it. But I do like one that you didn't name. Now, I saw the report. I don't know if it was false or whether it was real or not. But I saw where he might have an opportunity to be the officer coordinator for the Detroit Lions. Now, that I do like.

Right. Mike McDaniels, with his creative mind, I'm not saying he's Ben Johnson, but do you think about the goddamn dolphins? What was that? Three years ago. Two years ago. Yeah, two years ago. When they went to the championship game, that were three years ago, that ended up losing to the 49ers. Listen, that offense and that creativity that he had with those receivers and the stuff that he was able to do with Tyreek Hill, can you imagine him be able to have Monopoly Brown and doing all that stuff of Monaco?

And Jamison. Jamo. And you got Gibbs. I'm not sure if Montgomery's coming back. I'm not sure, you know, how that's going to work. But I would love, I would love Mike McDaniels and that creativity he has offensively over there with the lines. And obviously, I think, you know, coach, Mr. Campbell, I don't think he wants to, he's not going to call a place no way.

He's looking for somebody to relieve him with those duties. But could Mike McDaniel revive Deshaun's career? He don't have the, he don't have the pieces over there, Unk? It'd be too much. So if Mike McDaniel goes to the Lions, his job is that much easier because of what you have. at your disposal. I agree. I totally agree. And now your job as an officer as a coordinator or head coach, whatever it may be with the Browns, now your job becomes that much more difficult because you have to do more with less.

I know the pendulum is it's uneven. Yeah. It's uneven. So now you're putting yourself behind an eight ball, going to a place where, okay, I have to be damn near perfect. Yeah. I ain't got There's no margin per era Yeah, man, no, no

That line job, yes Hey, did you mention the Falcons? Yeah, uh, also if I read correctly today, I think John Harbaugh interview for the Falcons. Oh, I got another one for you, huh? I got another one for you. Nobody mentioned it.

Mike McDaniels over there with the Eagles. Yeah. Hey, come on now. Mm-hmm. Come on, come on, now. And I'm not going to mention that, but yeah, Mike McDaniels of the Eagles. Yeah, I like that.

Yeah, I think the thing is, look, he has a great offense in mind, and those guys that they McVade or Shanahan's, he came from that system, that school, the LaFleores, the Kevin O'Connell. So we've seen those systems, what they, Andy Reed, that West Coast system, or hybrids thereof,

we've seen it work, especially when you got talent. And so as you mentioned, Detroit has loads of talent. Atlanta has talent. I don't know would they want him to be the head coach. But, you know, I'm sure he, well, yeah, because he said to meet the Browns, Ravens, Falcons, Titans, okay. Ravens has a quarterback. Titans have a quarterback.

Right now there's kind of uncertainty. They got still have cousins on the roster, but they got a lot of money and a high-draft pick, a top-10 pick tied up in McElheny's Jr. So it would be very, very interesting. But when you have the creative mind

that Mike McDaniel has, and we saw what they dialed up when Tyreek was healthy. We saw it, they dialed up what he's able to do with H-N. And so, and Waddle. And they had a, I forget, what's the tight-in on show?

We had him on. He just came back this year. Elvis? No, from the, from the dolphins. Oh, Darren Waller. Darren Waller. Yeah, yeah. So, my having some nice pieces.

Somebody can go there, but they need a quarterback. And I'm reading the day, they say they're looking at the coach and come in, you're not required to try to, well, this is what I can do with Tua. Now, we're not even, what the reports are being saying. It's like, you know, you can, if you want to move on, we'll, will oblige you in that aspect. But I think from a talent, just pure talent. Yeah.

Falcons, you look at their defense? Over the Lions? No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying the Lions have a head coach. He's interviewing for a head coaching job. He's not interviewing for no offensive coordinator. Okay. Now, if none of those become available, yes, yes, yes.

Yes. If it's a head coach's job, I mean, Falcon got to be knocking down the dope. They got to be knocking down the dog. But John Harbaugh is out there. I think he's first on everybody's list because he has 18 years' experience. He's won many divisions,

and he's gone two and won a Super Bowl. So he's probably, he's Miss America. He's going to get the first date if he wants it. Yeah. That's how they're looking at it, no, Joe. I like the Titans. I think the Titans got a quarterback. I think the Giants have a quarterback.

back. But I don't really know a whole lot about the Titans. I'll let just know if they got Simmons over there. And he's special. Oh, yeah. He ain't going to be that long, but go ahead. Yeah. You know, they got Calvin Ridley.

He's coming back off of injury, the tight end. So they got some pieces. Pollard played well. But all things being equal, he has an interview with the Ravens. The Ravens need a lot of work defensively. We know what they got with Lamar. they need to fix that offensive line.

Yeah. Mainly, right guard. They got to fix that, don't show. They got to fix that. And they got to get Zay Flowers. I don't think Zay is going anywhere. No. But Bateman this year was a no-show.

He's a no-show. Damn. That's tough, man. That's tough. Because I'm just speaking on Bateman's, baby on behalf, you can only do so much when the opportunity

they don't present themselves, you know? I agree. You can only do so much. Well, he ain't do that much. I get what you're saying, but he didn't do that much, Ocho. So I think the thing is, look, the question is, I mean,

are you going to go another year and not have Deshaun get on the field and not do anything? Obviously, he couldn't do anything. Last year, Ocho, he had the Achilles' injury. they never activate him. He was, you know, he was scheduled to come, but they didn't bring him off the R-R list.

But what are you going to do? Right. You're going to let him sit on the sidelines again for another $50 million? Right. Yeah. I mean, I think you, I think you at least try. Yeah. I'm not saying, I don't know.

I hate saying never or always, but it's just I'm not sure that he'll be ever what he was when he was in Houston. And that was the thing, Ocho, that's why you gave up what you gave up. That's why you gave up the compensation. Because, Ocho, he's 26. Not 36. He was 26. But there's no way you could have

foreseen. I don't know what they knew or what they didn't know. I mean, everything is speculation. Some city did. Some city did. I don't know what they knew. I don't know what they knew, when they knew, what they, you know, I don't know.

All I know, but for that kind of money, Ocho, I got to try to get something. Yeah. I got to. But those are some great choices for McDaniel. Yeah, very good ones. Very good ones. Falcons, loaded with talent. Ravens got the best quarterback out there on the market of the teams that, you know, that's available, obviously.

You know, about a two-time MVP. The Titans have a quarterback that they believe in, and I think, you know, Cam Ward played well. Calvin Ridley comes back, maybe add some pieces. Red. Yeah. But it's going to be very interesting to see how this thing. I think somebody's waiting for the big domino to fall. And I think that's John Harbaugh.

I think once Harbaugh decides where he's going to go, I think all the other pieces will start to fall in place after he decides what he's going to do. So I think everybody's kind of waiting, you know, because nobody wants to jump the gun. You had a chance of John Harbaugh and you went ahead and you hired this guy. So I think once that domino falls on show,

I think everything else is kind of fall in the place from there. Right. And then you'll see, you know, but hey, maybe there's some coaches that's still in the postseason. Maybe the Rams, D.C. Who knows?

Maybe the Clint Kubiak I think gets an opportunity. Obviously, they couldn't talk. They couldn't talk. Yeah, they could. I don't know if he interviewed, though. Wait, they can't talk to a coach while he's still coaching. They can if you're on the by week.

You could do Zoom. Oh, okay, okay, okay. But all the teams that's playing, so somebody from, say, the Patriots or, you know, the Steelers or whomever, anybody that played this weekend, no, you're not able to talk to them. If you're lost, you're able to talk now. But the teams that were on the by week, you could have Zoom meetings. Right. So.

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and start listening on the free IHeart Radio app today. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions. Get stronger, work harder, fix, what's broken? But what if the real work isn't physical at all? To kick off the new year, I sat down with Dr. Steve Polter,

a psychologist with over 30 years' experience, helping men unpack shame, anxiety, and emotional pain they were never taught to name. In a powerful two-part conversation, we discuss why men aren't emotionally bulletproof, why shame hides in plain sight, and how real strength comes from listening to yourself and to others.

Guys who are toxic, they're immature, or they've got something they just haven't resolved. Once that gets resolved, then there comes empathy as in compassion. If you want this to be the year, you stop powering through pain and start understanding what's underneath, listen to the mailroom on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. This show contains information subject to, but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This your boy, Nav Green, from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs are here. But guess what?

It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcasts with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. They're cheese. What's a rap? It's time to rebuild. Who's your MVP right now then?

Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did he have old Nick's at? he ain't too far behind What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, it's crazy Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan But Matthew Staffer got

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Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast Okay He won Super Bowl With Kansas City in 2019 Sunday, Sunday had a big game had probably a career playoff high. I think this was a career playoff high. Six catches, a buck a level and a touchdown.

He got the party started early with the dagger route over the middle. Took that in. It did. delayed. It caught the post route for a touchdown. Had an outstanding game. DeMarcus Robinson, wide receiver San Francisco 49ers. Rob, there's a lot put on your guys' plate.

You lose Debo. Iyuk is not there all year long. Kittle goes down. Now yourself. Jenny. Pyrsaw is out. Now it's time for you guys because a lot has been made. Purdy is good, but he's propped up by all these all pros and pro bowlers. So now is you, is Jennings and the backup tight end. And you guys got to go out there and make plays.

What was your mindset? Because you know you're not going to Debo's bingo. You knew IUC's not coming back, but you thought you would at least have kiddle. What were you guys' mindset going in into a hostile environment and to come away with a victory? I think the guys, man, we knew it was at state, you feel me. Those boys had to go out and play hard just to get that dove just so we can get another another game on the road.

And it's never easy to get a win on the road. But those guys came in, man, we fought all together. As soon as Kittle were down, we knew Jake had to come in and make a couple plays. And the boys show resiliency yesterday for real. What did that feel like? Having a game like that, you know, letting the 49ers, letting your quarterback know that you can count on me, especially in situations like that.

important games that actually matter for you to have that type of game. What did that feel like? I mean, listen, honestly, as a receiver, I ain't never had no success in the goddamn playoff here. I ain't, I haven't been there? Oh. Maybe I just, what is that feeling like, man? It felt good, man.

And know them boys had trust in me, Purdy and Kyle Shanahan, man. It felt good to feel like they had trust in me, you know, they wouldn't be causing those play to put me in those position to get me the ball to know I'm a dude I could do and go down there and score a touchdown. So it really felt good just for them boys to get some trust in me, for real. Yeah. Oh, I played for his dad. Oh, you make that play early?

Oh, you're done. Oh, you're getting the ball to rest. Yeah, good. Once you made that play on that dagger? Uh-huh. Do y'all call it dagger or what y'all call it over? No, we call it dagger. I know you talking about you.

We call it dagger too. Okay. I know what you made that play? I said, oh, yeah. Oh, they're going to feed him. Yep, and coming back. And, you know, the funny thing about when you have a performance like you did, in that game,

what you think that thing will look like in the next one? That's what I'm saying. They're coming back to you. They're going to have stuff already drawn up specifically for you to do. They already,

let Shadahan already know what you do well. We're going to add that and he's going to throw something on top of it because you know, because Purdy knows you're going to make the play

it. And subconsciously, when you have a great game like that, the quarterback don't come to you when you least expect it. That's what I'm saying. That's the way.

The way the game flows. That's why I needed that type of game to go and build that trust with them, let them know, hey, keep going forward. I got you,

if them boys ain't in there, you ain't got nobody to lean on, I'm the guy. Come see me. Yeah. Really? I mean, look, he ain't got no choice now.

I mean, he's lost Kettle, and you and Jennings are, you know, you're his wide receivers, you're his most trusted. And so now, hey,

and it's not, look, you guys just played them last game of the season. So you know what type of game is going to be. You know what's out there.

They got spoon and rolling. For real. Hey, you know what's, you know what's in front of you. Oh, Oh, Troy and I ain't got to tell you nothing. That's a good DBs. First time y'all played them.

Uh-huh. That's some good DBs, man. I ain't gonna lie a lot of people's deep. We're gonna go out there and do what we do those. Sure. We ain't scared. Ain't backing down. Now, that's time.

Hey, because you, hey, you one step closer. For real. That's what I'm talking. You were talking. Hell and shit out there, man. Somebody pissed you off or something? Nah, shit. Hey, I, Coach, what that's talking to me.

So I'm like, show. You see what's going on. Go, these boy came home. hold me for real? Like, oh, you know, there ain't no need to y'all. You see it's on the field, coach. Right. Yeah. Hey, you're talking. You see I'm giving your boy that work. That word. Yeah, your boy in 2-7. Oh, he got that work. They had to get him up for me. Yeah, they had to get him up from me. The first drive. You can't do that way to wrong. No, you can't do that with me, man. You might call somebody else,

call back up. For real. But did you, did you know you was going to have this type of input going into the game? So, like, the plan was to kind of get me the ball. I was way in the playbook this week more than any other week. So because Ricky wasn't up. So I'm like, okay, they're welcome-bated to feed me a little bit. So, you know, you know, you go through it and practice. You go all through the routine players and stuff like that.

But I ain't know it's just going to be as fast as it was. Right. Yeah, that was second player of the game, 60 y'all, four-player the game. Yeah. Touch-down. But here's the thing. What makes me upset is that they feed me all week long, and then we come to the game.

And I don't get no hunting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm about that bull, you're out of the ride. You know, they throw me no passes, and now y'all feed me. See, why y'all do you like this? Y'all could have my mind. My mind ain't really where it's supposed to be right now. Yeah, that's how I felt versus Seattle the first time we played on board, man.

I'm like, daw because we kind of had it drawn up for me to get a couple passes. But you know how the game go and then coach changed it up a little bit. And then, you know, you never know what you're going to get out of that, man. So, sure, you really, you know, you got to stay ready for that moment whenever that ball do come. Yeah, and the fact that you guys are playing to see, again, you're familiar with their defense. Do you see any problems in general for you from an individual standpoint, not a team collectively, but from an individual standpoint, you know,

whether it be Witherspoon, whether it be, you know, brother Woolen, is there anyone out there that you would see, it poses any, not threat, but you know, where you know, okay, you know what, I got to tie my shoes up tight. I got to come to play. No, I mean, that's all right. That's every game. Like, those boys could have been like 2-7 last week.

That boy called two picks, you know what I'm saying? So you never know what you're going to get. You never know how they're going to play. If it's going to be the boys coming out, being physical. You know, really willing. That's why he bigger sized physical cap. So long, long on, you know, you never know what you're going to get. You don't know if they're going to play.

Because last week they hit us with the cover two. I don't think we was really even expecting the cover two. You feel it? So they played cover two when we played them the first time with the last game with the season. But so we got to be ready for whatever they thought. That's for real. Well, see, that's what the time is, you know, hey, in the run block and see, I got to get physical with y'all because, see, y'all be trying to get physical in these things.

I know how Kyle lives. Like I said, play for his dad. And he has a lot of his dad's similarities and a lot of that coach and staff. Bobby T, the running back. Yeah, yeah. Hey, if you don't do no, if you don't do, if you don't do, if you, and a wide receiver in that offense,

if you don't do no blocking in the run game. I don't get on the side line. He didn't get on the side. You might have gone back to the bench. Absolutely. And I don't give a damn who you are. For real, though. You got to block it.

Hey, in that system. Because he's going to get his touches Oh, you already know that Yeah, he's getting his touches So you gotta, you gotta know what I'm saying They're making everybody Look good right now though Now we gotta spread that thing right

We just lost Kettle man So trust me Lee, I'm ready for another one Against these boys right here Good, good robbery You're killed, I'm so, hey man, I'm so sorry You're down And for real You put your boy up

You know what I'm saying? I'm here this week again Don't play with him But also I think the thing that really helps, and you have to have this in the West Coast, your receiver's got to be run after the catch. Because it's all about getting the ball in the receiver's hand. And look, there ain't a whole lot of deep throws, you know, go-bon-nine balls.

It's a lot of shallow crosses. It's a lot of daggers. It's a lot of overs. It's a lot of stuff where digs, end cuts, where they're expecting you to spin out of a tackle. And get up out of that. Yeah, that's what I did last week, yeah. That's how they was using on Deepo, too.

A lot. Get on the ball and get up field. That's all it is right down. Bobbs Green. Mm-hmm. What is, because you're familiar. You just, this is, they probably have different terminology in Kansas City, but this is basically the same system.

It's the West Coast system. It came out of Cold Warge. Same thing. Mike Shethan, all that. So it's been paired, maybe they call it green. Maybe you call it orange or blue or whatever you call it. But it's pretty much the same principles. Same thing.

That's how I was saying about, that's why I came over here from when I was in L.A. last year, him and, him and Sean got kind of the same kind of, route tree and stuff like that. They kind of terminology are all the same, so it wasn't really that hard to pick up on the playbook. It just, you know, a few things here. Now they switch up the verbiage on it, but it's basically the same type of offenses, for real.

But you seem so excited because, like, it probably caught you off guard. Like, you've got to be ready for the moment because you don't know when that moment's going to happen, but you've got to be ready for it when it does happen. No, for real. I was ready, boy. I was ready.

I've seen that ball in that hour. I said, oh, it's not I'm going to throw that. ball. Man, I got up to her. Cut back, cut back. I see him rally. Let me go and get out. You ain't fit to get that ball.

Yeah, they try to get it up out of me. They try to get it up out of me. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. And then y'all read the delay. Y'all ready to play. Actually, ready to play. You make it like you go block.

You go block. Stalk. Stalk. You, yeah, yeah. I'm a stalky. I'm stalky. I know. I'm going to the post.

Let me get that. I need it. He's too late. Man. Touched out. Man. Let me do my dance on y'all. D. Rob, boy, it gets you so much confidence, bro.

For real. So much confidence. It just had you walking different. That's real. It had you talking different. You're going to the next game and you're expecting to have that same type of performance. So whenever those opportunities do present themselves and you already got that confidence rolling, man, ain't nothing out there, man.

Ain't nothing out there going to be able to stop you. So, man, I'm happy for you. And I'm excited. I'm excited for this game because it's going to be a good one. But y'all going to be it, man. Y'all popping out. Where y'all let this weekend? Who are you watching?

Listen, I'm going to be watching I'm going to be watching. Yes, sir, yes, sir, for sure, for sure. Tune. Hey, Rob, I'm going to tell you this is what you tell CMAQ because this is what I used to tell TD. Hey, man, they're in cover two. Run their ass out of body.

I'm trying to tell you. That's all we got to do. We can't throw them out of cover two. Yeah. Hey, on line, run their ass out of this cover, too. For real, bring no safety down. Brain no safe to die. Yeah.

That we got to do. That's all we got to do. That's all we got to do. Run them up out of this. Because if you don't run them up out of it, they're going to play cover two now. We're going to stay right in there. You ain't getting no pads.

You ain't getting nothing over the top of that. Yeah. And I ain't really try to cover. The only thing really that's open is try to get it, fit it in between, try to hold a corner up, and then try to run the sail in behind them or run the square out of the deep.

Nah, no, run their ass. I don't need a safety down. I need it me and here. That's all. Hey, that's all I'm asking for. Get that running game going. Nothing. No.

Put that ball in the, I'm going to do what I do. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Bad, congratulations on the unbelievable game. Six catches, 111 yards on the touchdown. He started the game, the second player of the game, Go 60, and then he ends up catching a touchdown.

They scored touchdown late in the ball game, and the San Francisco 49 is advanced to the divisional round to take on the arch nemesis, the Seattle Seahawks. Yes, sir. That game is going to be played on Sunday. That game is played Saturday, excuse me, Saturday night. So good luck, D. Rob. Yes, sir.

We'll see you down the road, man. Man, I appreciate y'all, man. Glad y'all have me on here, man. I appreciate it. Oh, yeah. Tell Kyle, I say what's up? Y'all will do, man, for show. Get them more.

And Bobby T. All right, all right, for show, y'all. All right, for sure, y'all. All right. Appreciate it, man. Thanks for coming on. Darren went on Johnny Mansell's Glory Day's podcast and told a story about how he and Mike McDaniel was talking one-on-one

during the end of their season meeting when owner Stephen Ross walked in. McDaniel had literally just told Waller that he wants him back in 2026. Ross joined in the conversation for a bit. Then the conversation got quiet. And Waller got the sense that he should leave the room. He checked his phone 20 minutes later and Mike McDaniel was fired. I was at the scene of the crime. The NFL is a wild business, Joe.

That's how I go. It's cut though like that? I didn't, look, Dan Reeves and when Coach Reeves and John was having their issues, John Dan was like Tom, Coach Landry, run the football, we're not going to put the ball in harm's way. We're going to try to play great defense. And then Roger Stalback was there. Roger would win it. Roger the Dodger.

And that's why John Elway had so many, that's why John had so many comebacks. Because we wouldn't do anything for four quarters, for three and a half quarters, and the game would still be close. And John would win it in the end. It is. It's really tough, but I've never heard a situation like this. Normally, hey, the owner's called you to his office. Right.

The owner, like the owner walked in to the coach's office when he's doing end of season interviews, exit interviews. He walked in. Yes. That's really wild. Normally, they call you into their meeting and call you into their office or the general manager,

they had a conversation, we're going in a different direction. But I've never heard of a situation like this. So they find, I had a conversation. We're going to, I think we're talking about Steve, no. Where he called John Harbaugh on the phone.

He said, he said, I thought it would be a, you know, an anatomy move. Like, the man had just left and say, turn around and meet me back at the,

you know, at the office, an hour. It was just like, you know, hey, you're going to do what you're going to do. Just let, hey.

And, you know, it was tough. I mean, telling somebody is fired is not easy. Right. I mean, because he's had success. He's the winning his coach. And the organization is only 30 years of age.

But he's winning his coach in their young tenure. You got, look, you got Lamar. Yeah. So it was a very appealing job. You got Lamar. You got a quarterback. You got a two-time MVP quarterback. Hold on.

Is this contract up? Is he ready? Is he feeling the time? No, no, no. No, no. Those contract's not up, but they got to do something. He's got like a $75, $76 million cap here. So they, uh, and Steve Ashati, uh, um, has made it abundantly clear he wants Lamar.

If Lamar wants that. If not, he'd say, hey, we'll play it out and move, move on. Hmm. But, uh, he wants him because he knows, Steve, look, Steve is very matter of fact. He laid it on the tape. He said, look, I want to do this thing for another 10 years. I'm 65. I say, I'm looking at it from 70 years.

Now, if we had a couple of bad seasons when I'm at that age, I'm probably going to sell the team. If we had a couple of good seasons, I'm probably going to keep holding on. But anyway, he said, I'm looking to move on. He said, I'm not going to get this thing. It's not going to go into my family. He said, it caused too much problems. Yeah. So I've seen it turn families against each other, and that's not going to happen.

I believe that abundant lick clear. So, so who you think you're going to bring in? What's a good, what's a good candidate? I mentioned the name Clint Kubiak. Clint Kubiak is the office of coordinator for his, the Seattle Seahawks. Hmm. I played with Clint's dad. I remember Clint

was he was a kid, running and shagging balls and being the ball boy on the field for us. When he couldn't have been no more than like six or seven. Yeah. Maybe eight. His dad was my quarterback

with the back up to John, and then he was my offensive coordinator. So I've been knowing them, and he's really good. You see the imagination that he has with Seattle's offense. You saw what JSCN did in Jigba. They run the football, that West Coast system. You've got to run it. Then they play action pass.

And he has a quarterback. His quarterback in Baltimore is better than the quarterback that he has in Seattle. Yeah. So I can just imagine with his imagination and that quarterback and that running back to be able to run the football like they can run it And play action off of that. Yeah. What,

Dick Henry got another year over there? Got two years. Two years? Mm-hmm. And he finished second. He was second last year in Russian over 19, two years ago with over 1,900 yards. He was second in the league in Russian this year with like 50,

over almost 1,600 yards. He still got tread on the tire. He still got, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And so I'm, I'm, they got to, but they got, hey, they got to get, the number one thing they got to get, whoever, whatever guard is available.

And for agency, the Baltimore got to sign it. They got to get, they got to get, they got to get that left, that left, that right guard up out of there. He killing Lamar. He killing Lamar. And the running game. But, and they need some defense, Joe. Yeah, they do.

They can stay can't, they can't, they can put, they can put some points over. Boy, they can't stop nothing. Can't stop nobody. They can't stop nobody. They can't move games out. It's definitely a Tyson job, though. Yeah, yeah. You know, you know, what, what having Lamar and Henry back there,

I'm surprised, you know, I know coaches jumped on that situation already. Well, I think maybe some of the coaches that they're interested in are still in the playoffs, so you can't get anybody right now. You had a window, the Broncos and the Seahawks, so you could interview coaches in that window via Zoom, obviously. But if your team was in the playoff,

you can't talk until after your season's over. So now there'll be another break in between the NFC, aFC, So there's a dead weekend there in which you can interview via Zoom for a job. But, yeah, you got to get the right coach in this situation because you got too much at stake. You got too much riding on it. You got Lamar Wright smack dab in his prime window. You got Derek Henry that has a couple more years left.

You got to get this thing right. Yeah. Get this thing right. Because you look, Drake May. Yeah. You got Josh Allen. You got C.J. Stroud. You got Bo Nix.

You got Trevor Lawrence. So it's not getting any easier. No, so. It's not. But they got some talent, boy. They got some talent over there. They got some offensive talent. I don't know how much defense talent they got.

Yeah, they ain't got no, they need some help defensively. Yeah, I like Save Flowers. I like Derek. I like Henry, obviously. I like Lamar. I'm surprised that what they did with Andrews. Andrews, because basically they're saying by to likely. Oh, are they?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to, I mean, you gave, you gave Andrews, what, three years, 40 million? Isn't that what he signed for? Yeah, it's, you know, you're not bringing him back because somebody's going to pay him big money. Yeah.

Yeah. I thought, I thought they would let Andrews go and then keep, keep likely. but three years 40 yeah so I was I was surprised by that move but they need defense they need pass rushers they need pass rushers they need them bad too really bad yeah they they gave what they was what they was in the defensive uh defense of uh defense of rating they was near the bottom this year the two cornerbacks gave up the most yardage them boy was getting smoked out there boy But when you can't rush the pass, I mean, what are your options? You can't hold up all day and they couldn't rush the quarterback.

They couldn't get the quarterback office mark. So the quarterback's just back there pat the ball, pat the ball, pat the ball. So it's tough. The Bears' round playoff game is expected to be one of the coldest games in NFL history. Joe, look at this video of blizzard conditions happening right now coming off Lake Michigan. 60-mile-n-n-hour wins, heavy snows. are leading to nearly no visibility. Man, can't nobody play no football out there.

If it's like that, they're going to be out there. They're going to be playing in this? Hell yeah. Man, come on. The wind chills expect to reliance between zero and 10 minus 10 degrees throughout a day on Sunday. Wind gusts up to 20 miles an hour. The Rams haven't played in the game below 50 all season.

According to NFL stats, Matthew Stafford, and bad weather games with the Rams. cold, rain or snow, one in eight, 54.6 completion percentage, 14 touchdowns, 11 interception. Oh, Joe, excuse me. Look at this, we're going to turn the sound, listen to the sound, Joe.

All right. I'm cold. I'm cold right here. Hey, ain't no way they're going to play in that. Hey, hold on, hold on. You think the stand's going to be filled up to? Absolutely. Oh, no.

Because fans get a kick out and said, I was at that game. When you played the Ice Bowl, when it was 27, 30, you go back and look at Cincinnati, San Diego. I think that was 1981. Wind chill was like 50. Go back and look at the charges against Cincinnati. I think the wind chill was like 40, 50 degrees below zero.

What was the windchield? Hey, if they're playing in anything close to this, what I'm looking at, I got the bear. I'm taking the bears this weekend. Yeah. I remember. Joe, 1981, the Chargers played Cincinnati.

Windchill, minus 59. The man said, 1981. I remember the game. That's what I told him. The Chargers. The Chargers had just beat the Dolphins. Kellen Winslow had a historic game. Unbelievable.

End up blocking a field goal. They won to have to carry him out the field. And for his Herculean effort, go to Cincinnati. 59 below. They got thunk. I think they lost 27-0-0. 59. Who was the final score below?

27-7, okay. Oh, so that's why you don't remember. You were just being born. Oh, born in 81. I don't know what's going on. Oh, you played in weather like that before? I remember that game. I'm saying you didn't play it or something like that?

I think one of the coldest game I played, we played in Green Bay in 96. It was about 13 degrees, minus 13. And we played the Chiefs in the divisional round in 90. It was in 98. So it was probably January of 98. What was the temperature in 96? It was December of 96. Hey, hey, what is like getting hitting that type of temperature in that weather?

What that ground felt like? Man, that thing is like on C men. Joe, I ain't gonna lie, Joe. I'm glad Mike didn't see me. I had construction gloves on. I wasn't, oh, but, but I caught a pass. I caught the well past. They threw me.

Hey, well, I couldn't even imagine, huh? Minutes 17 in Green Bay, right? What was the, what was the, uh, the Kansas City one? Hey, how the bands ain't got no dome over there, man? You take away the advantage. Man, come on, man. We don't get to have Minnesota used to play outside before they got the dome.

And boy, it's cold in Minnesota. Yeah. The Chiefs was January of 90. It was January of 98. January, no, it was January of 99. January of 99. Man, under these conditions, yeah, man, I don't know how you can get out there and play, man.

Not in that type of weather we just seen. And you know, hey, Joe, you know you got to go out there. We had no sleep. I had to show them gun. I had that vest lead on the outside of the face. You don't know what I'm saying? Listen, so why dudes be coming out there with their shirts off and all that warming up before the game when it's like that?

I don't know what them fools thinking. I ain't going out there until I absolutely have to. I'm not going out there. I ain't trying to. I'm competing against my opponent and his weather. So I am not going out there until I absolutely have to. The heart is easier to play in it. practice in it. It's where it's practice.

When you don't have those heat, those heat is benches and you don't have the adrenaline going. Right, right. Oh my gosh. I can't even imagine, boy. Hey, boy. You say hi? What's up, big fella? Tell him your name.

He said my name, Teddy Bear. He, he He, hey, look, he had been daddy home. Boy, is he? Man, as soon as I came through the door, man. Man, Titus doesn't rip my Montclair jacket. Oh, man.

I said, boy. But, yeah, them Joe was here. They, once I come home, they ain't got nothing to do with Auntie no more. He said, I got my pajamas on. He said, Dad, this is my bedtime. But, oh, yeah, Joe, that's the whole thing. That's the thing why if you're a cold weather team, you want to get home field.

I want the Rams. You play in that dome. Yeah. You played in Carolina. It was a little cold, but you don't know cold yet. Right. Not that Chicago cold.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm talking about, I want to be cold. The sun come up with an overcoat on. That's not cold a deal, Joe. That's what I'm saying. That's not cold a deal. If they're going to be playing in that, that's damn sure what it's going to be.

Yeah. You see statues got overcoats. And Scully's on. No, man. No, man. The breaking news overnight, Joe, the John Harbaugh was in talks and made his decision. It is the New York Football Giants.

Jordan Schultz reports Harbaugh is expected to be worth five years, $100 million, yes, $500 million, $100 million, $20 million per year. What the reports were, he was looking to get that $20 million per? He was looking to get $10 million for his staff, and he wanted total control of the roster. I don't know what all he got, but the reports are it is a five-year deal worth an estimated $100 million. I don't know if he got the $10 million for his staff support. I don't know if he has total control of his roster.

But 10 years is a, I mean, excuse me, $100 million is a lot of money. I think only Andy Reid is $20 million per year. Eight years ago, John Gruden signed a 10-year, $100 million contract with the Las Vegas Raiders, which raised eyebrows. according to Connor Hughes of S&N, in the days before telling the Giants he was going to take their head coaching job, John Harbaugh sought out and contacted positional coaches from Brian Dayball staff to pick their brains on the state of the roster. Several of the coaches had never spoken to Harbaugh before, and they told SNY they talked for about 30 minutes about the ends and outs of the team. when we win when Harbaugh was fired

well whatever the case may be Steve Bichotty when he was fired relieved of his duties I felt someone of his stature was looking for a team that had a quarterback that is the quickest way look at Chicago Ben Johnson took that job

what did they have in place a quarterback the New England Patriots when Mike Braywell took that job what did they have in place the quickest way to get to the playoffs to get on the winning track is to have a quarterback.

They believe they have their quarterback. John Harbar, more importantly, believes they have their quarterback. That is why he took this job so quickly. Joe, what do you think? You like the hire? I like the hire, but I'm wondering what Harborough, do you think that was the best quarterback situation?

You think that's the real reason why he took that job off? I mean, obviously, they paid him what he wanted, but, I mean, honestly, I think he could have got that from anywhere. But that's, I mean, if he could have got that anywhere, it's a lot of enticing jobs out here, man, with a lot of talent versus, you know, he got scatibou and a receiver. Them dudes coming out of extremely, you know,

unfortunate injuries, you know what I mean? Yes, yes. I'm wondering from a talent perspective, do you think that was the best team that he probably could have went to? Okay, here are the teams, Arizona. They don't have a quarterback. They're going to move on from Colorado.

They have Jacoby Percent. The question is the Tennessee Titans. They have Cam Ward. But it seems to me, he believed that situation with that roster, you look at the defense, Brian Burns, you look at Dexter Lawrence, you look at Abdul Carter, who they took very high. They had Juan Del Robinson that came off a great season. I get what you're saying about Malik neighbors.

But he should be up to speed because that injury happened so early in the season. He should have a full recovery. Scatibu, we don't know about that. We'll see how that thing. it seems like it's progressing. Now, they do need some offensive line because the problem is before Jackson Dart got in there,

he was taking a lot, Russ was the quarterback. That sacked a lot. Now, you're going to have to protect Dart, and Dar is going to have to protect himself from taking unnecessary hits. You're not a running back. You're not Derek Henry.

So you need to get that thought out of your head. You need to be smart. Don't be afraid to run out of bounds. Don't be afraid to get on the turf. Sometimes you have to have to, to know when the journey is over. But if you look at the Jets, you like the Jets? They don't have a quarterback.

No, no, no. And that franchise is disarray, it's dysfunctional. The Giants has been, have, has been dysfunctional for a period of time. But all things being equal, I trust the Giants in that situation, and I don't know what, maybe it's just, I'm hoping, the giant situation more than I trust the Jets. Okay, the Falcons. I think, me personally, I think the Falcons. have more of the talent, but they still have

undecided issues at the quarterback position. So you look at the teams that have openings, I think the Giants have the best quarterback situation. Do they have more talent than Atlanta? I don't believe they do. But they have a quarterback, and it doesn't matter how much talent you got. You better have a quarterback that can pull the trigger. Right.

Okay. I understand that part. I just feel like it's a lot of other teams, especially when you look from the defensive side, I know you got to have a quarterback. You got to have guys that skill positions. You got to put points on the board. But if you can't stop nobody, man, you're going to be in trouble.

I don't know how great the Giants' defense was. So, you know, that's probably what more I'm looking toward. You know, I'm like, okay, what is their defense like? Well, if you could predict, the best way if your defense is subpar is to keep them off the field. If you got a quarterback that's turning the ball over, if you can't run the football, that is the quickest way to put your defense back on the field. Now, you could be just porous and not schemes schematically

or don't have the pieces in place a lot of Cowboys. Cowboys' offense is sensational. What do you try to say? The Cowboys' offense is sensational. It's your defense, whether it's schematically. Now, look, you've had a history of this, Joe, for the last decade, you've gone through a ton of different defensive coordinators. And with the same results, your office is in the top five, your defenses in the bottom five.

That's not a good recipe. But I'm looking at just the coach, just now, if Green Bay was available, I would tell him to take his ass to Green Bay. Right, right. Because they're going to get Michael back at some point. Now, I don't know if he's going to start week one, but there's a chance he's going to play at least, let's just say for the sake of argument, somewhere between 11 and 12 games if he stays healthy. They might start him on the pub list and then he'll have to miss the first four games. But you look at them defensively. You look at the offensively.

Their quarterback, they got Jordan Love, they got receivers, they got a running game, they got a nice, offensive line, but of the position that were available, Miami, you like Miami? Their defense isn't that good. They don't have no quarterback. They're going to move on from Tua.

It seems like, I like ACHAN. I love him. He's sensational, but they need offensive line help. They got Waddle, so we'll see. I like Darren Wallet tied in. He's shown me enough that he's, still has juice in orange and he should be he should come back right i'm just looking at it from a

standpoint of teams that have available coaching positions the giants have the best quarterback situation based on what i saw this year now that could change can't work to come back and have a stellar sophomore season he got hurt yeah yeah and we don't know i don't think it's i don't think it's bad uh maybe if they had five or six more games maybe he missed a game and he comes back but of the the coaching vacancies that available, I like the Giants. I like the Falcons overall, but I like the Giants quarterback.

And like I said, I think I laid out pretty good, chat. If you look at the team, look at where the Patriots were last year. Change coaching. Now they're in the division around the playoff. Look at the Bears. Yeah.

In the division around the playoff. Both teams playing at home. Now, they did go out. They signed the Patriots sign Stefan did. in free agency. They got big Milton Williams. They brought some guys in, and so you're like, okay, and you can do some things. I think the Giants are going to do that.

Now, I don't know where they are cap-wise, but they definitely need some offensive line help to make sure they can protect Jackson Dart. But I like this hire. It's a proven commodity. Ain't no guesswork. What I wonder if he can do, he's never been a head coach. The man was just a head coach for the last 18 years. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

I think he's a proven commodity. Yeah, I agree. I think it's a great high for the Giants. Obviously, you want to be able to keep Jackson Dart on the field. Hopefully, you know, he starts to be a lot smarter going in a year two. But, I mean, they got to put, they got to get a defense on that can help the offense. Obviously, like you said, you want the offense to stay on the field so the defense don't have to work as hard. But for the most part, it looked like a hardball wanted more controlled than anything.

Yeah. Look, when you've been in that position, Joe, and you've had some control, it's hard for you to go to another situation and have no control. Especially after you've been at the job for an extended period of time. He's been under task for 18 years and to go in most coaches. That's the hardest thing. I mean, when you look at Coach Belichick and Coach Belichick has had total control. For me, it's going to be hard for me to see him going somewhere where he has little to no control.

Right, absolutely. because of respect. And so I think that's the thing. And look, the reports are Mike Tomlin's not looking to coach, but I like Mike Tomlin in Atlanta. Oh, man. I like Mike Tomlin in Atlanta. Man, you know how these people embrace Mike Tomlin if he came here to Atlanta.

Oh, we, he's going to have to find him a quarterback, though. Yes, for sure. And I think I think as far as there's no question of my mind of the openings that's available, they have the best talent. They got better talent than the car. Now, I like the Cardinals. Now, look, you look at what the Cardinals got. They got McBride who are arguably the best tied-in in football.

They got Wilson, who came on and showed like gangbusters, Marvin Harrison, Jr. A, got Nick this year, kind of regressed a little bit, but I think he's talented. You get some offensive line, you get, you know, plug a few pieces in defensively. But they don't have what Atlanta has. Oh, sir. You look at Bejohn Robinson, you look at Drake London, you look at Kyle you're going to have to sign them back. They have pieces and defensively.

Oh, my goodness. Yeah, man. That defense line they got is a monster, man. Yes. But at the end of the Jay Joe, look at, we're going to talk about this, look at every quarterback that's in the playoffs. Only one was drafted outside of the first round. You got number one overall pick Matt Stafford.

Number one overall pick Caleb Williams. You see? Number three pick. And number two pick of C.J. Stroud. Number three pick and Drake May. Yeah. Number three pick and Sam Darnel. You got to have a bad boy back there.

Bow Nix. Josh Allen, all those number one picks, only one quarterback was outside. If you don't have the, I don't give you that, what your defense looked like. Right. Because sometimes your defense is going to have to overcome bad play. Yeah. They will. Now, C.J. Stroud can't play Sunday like he played Monday.

They're going home. For sure. Because he's going to put his defense in harm's way. They're not going to have to drive the football very far. And they have more weapons and they're able to run the football and they're able to protect better than what the Steelers were able to do. So he can't have the type of game that he had. But without a quarterback in today's game, the way they have instruction, the way they set it up, you can't win without a quarterback. And so I like this.

I like this hire for the Giants. Hey, Boo, I like it too. With these coaches, with these vacancies, and let's say you're a head coach going into a situation, don't you kind of have some say-so? Like, if you go into a situation like Atlanta, you know you need a quarterback, and they ask you to be the head coach. Don't you kind of got some say-so, some guys who you think you may want to bring in? If you're Mike Tomlin, yes.

If you're John Harbaugh, yes. But sometimes you're first-year coach. You don't have a whole lot of things. John Harba had to build up to get that. Mike Tomlin had to build up to get that. Coach Belichick had a lot of control, but he built up and got even more. Andy Reid got some control,

but he built up to got more as they started winning. You coming in and you haven't been a head coach before or you haven't won, you want to do, you say what? There's only 32 of those positions available. Right, right. And so you're happy to have one of them. Now, if you win, you'll get more.

Just like Ben Johnson, I believe he'll get more safe. Mike Brayb was going to have more safe. But Mike was a head coach. He took a team to a championship. He's coached in big games before. And so with this situation, you turn that around, you go from 4 and 13 to what? 13 and 4. Ben Johnson, I mean, Chicago, you know what they were over the last several years.

Yeah, yeah. But now that you got that quarterback position solidified, they're going to have a little bit more safe. Now, mind you, those quarterbacks were already on staff. It wasn't like, you know, Mike Vrable selected. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't like Ben Johnson selected Caleb William. Absolutely.

So it definitely helps if you've got a quarterback already on staff. Yeah. Now you can build out your roster how you want and have some success doing that. So it's going to be very, very interesting, but congratulations, John Harbaugh on the job. ask us to become someone new. It invites us back home to ourselves.

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