Club Shay Shay - Best of NFL News Part 1: Jets’ ownership the real problem in New York, Marcades Lewis joins Broncos for 20th NFL season

Episode Date: November 1, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down a WILD week in the NFL! Unc and Ocho break down how the Jets’ ownership—not Justin Fields—is the real problem in New York, Denver Broncos latest signee, Marcades Lewis, joins the show to discuss coming back for his 20th NFL season. 0:00 - Rams DB Kam Curl joins the show11:09 - Marcedes Lewis joins the show37:41 - Woody Johnson's comments on Jets QBs (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, it's your favorite sports funk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're going to make Ocho cry. Hey, we got a very special guest joining us right now. Hey, C, what's up, what, what's up? Oh, you like, you by the rob.

You by the rob, some? No, I'm just comfortable, man. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Welcome to the show, Ram Safety Cam Curl. Cam, how you doing, man? We're doing good, man. I appreciate y'all for having me. Appreciate you coming on.

The bye week, you guys are coming off to buy week. So what did Cam do in this by week? So take us through your by week. You had the whole week off, so you got out of time, boom. No, I ain't even leave. I ain't going to lie. I stayed here. I was tired because we did all that traveling, like.

Right, right. Okay. Baltimore that whole week. Yeah. Then we traveled to London and play, like, within, like, that certain amount of time. So I was real tired from all the traveling. And I didn't get home to like Monday,

2.30 in the morning. Like I slip all Monday, Tuesday. I went to facility a few days, you know what I'm saying? But I just spent time with the family, really, just trying to let my body rest. Okay. You ain't do nothing outside of that, though? Like to get away, just to get away from the game of football?

I mean, yeah, like, you know, I took the kids to the park and stuff. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, just a little stuff. I ain't do nothing crazy. I'm crazy? Yeah, I like it. You guys are number one, the first in red zone defensive touchdowns allow, 30 points, allowed eighth and takeaways.

What do you think the biggest reason you guys of having such success on the defensive side of the football? I mean, I feel like the system we got and the scheme we got, it's built around our players, and what we're able to do is, like, it's built for our skill set. And, you know, we've been in this system, it's our second year going on in the system, so we're all comfortable with each other,

especially in the secondary, like, just the first place, like the first time I'd seen, let's bring back a whole, like, secondary unit, you know what I'm saying? Same group came back for a second year. Yeah, usually every year the room changes, you know what I'm saying? Right. But, you know, since we did that, that just helps us play even faster

because we're more comfortable with each other and, you know, know how each other play. Yeah, and now that you are in your second year, of this defense, how comfortable are you, you know? I mean, I'm real comfortable. Like, I'm real comfortable how Shula Kar's game, and I'm real comfortable with all my teammates, you know what I'm saying? And I just like flying around with those guys.

Like, we have to make plays, you know what I'm saying? You know, trying to keep doing that. Hey, does your coach, your defense coordinator, does he allow you to freedom to do things off script that really, really isn't part of X&Os? But because you're the one out there on the field and playing the game and you have a feel for stuff, can you go off script and do stuff based on what you've seen on film?

I mean, you know, as long as you make the play, you know what I'm saying. They ain't going to be too mad. But now they do emphasize on us not being robots, though. You know what I'm saying? They don't want to take the football instincts away from us. You know what I'm saying? So he lets us play how we play, you know what I'm saying? We're going to always go within a scheme, you know, in the play call.

But, you know, he lets us go out there and fly around. Okay. You're known for your physical style of play. How do you get the nickname Cam Bam? I got their name like in high school. It was a, uh, I ain't gonna lie. You know, the, uh, the females used to call me that, you know what I'm saying? Oh, okay, okay, okay, that's what I was.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Nah, you know, I bring that boom on the field, too. You know what I'm saying? You know, it rhymes, you know, but like, yeah, it's just, it's just a little nickname. Hey, let me, let me, I got a question for you. Since they call you can bam and you, and you know for, you know, coming down here, coming to the party, you, you think, you think you would have been able to hit me if we were playing?

Like, if I just happened to be in this area, you think you would hit me? Yeah, for sure. Like, hey, hold on, you laughing. You see, you think about, hey. Lager, you were a little thin, man. I'm 220. What you talk about then? What you were winning back then?

Back then, I was 2.30. All right, bro. All right. If you're 2.30, then you got it. Yeah, I would have ran through you. But I don't, man, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

What was some of the factors? What was so appealing for you with signing with the Rams? Well, honestly, like, off the bat, just, you know, Sean McVeigh, you know what I'm saying? Just even before I got here, just seeing him from afar and, you know, hearing things about him and watching his interviews and stuff, like, that's just off the bat, like, a guy you want to play football for. You know, it's just the type of guy he is. And, you know, I knew it was a winning coach here. You know, they just won the Super Bowl not too long ago. You know what I'm saying?

You know, they always get into the playoffs, you know, so. It was just, it felt like the right fit. You know what I'm saying? It's a bunch of young, hungry guys on the, on the defensive side. There was some stuff to prove. And, you know, I felt like I fit right in. You came in the league, kind of like I came in the league. I was self-for-round draft pick.

I was 192. You were self-to-run draft pick. And I never felt like I made it. I feel like I had to go out there every single year and reprove myself. They're like, I got to give them one reason. And I always get this mindset. When I went to practice camp, I said, I got to give him one reason to keep me. Just one.

Man, you see that route sharp ran? Man, you see that catch that he made? You see how he picked up that blitz? Just one, I needed one reason. We're going to say, yeah, we got to keep him another day. What was your mindset coming in? You got a seventh-round draft pick, the commanders. What was your mindset?

Because, you know, normally seven-round picks don't count by these. They just, hey, they need somebody to fill out the roster. They ain't really tried to get with no look. but you got to see me because I won't make you look. No, facts. No, my mind said, I mean, I knew getting drafted in the seventh round. Like, I was just talking to myself, like, you know, I got to take everything to the next level. You know what I'm saying?

Just to try to make this team, you know, coming in. Because I was the only Ricky DB they had picked up that whole, like, draft process. You know, they ain't picking no crazy or something. So I was the only Ricky DB in the room. So, like, it's like I'm going against vets. I'm competing against vets. You know what I'm saying? People were already being in.

So I just knew how to take everything to the next round. level. And, you know, all my vets there back then at 2020 season, like, they really brought me in, you know what I'm saying, and showed me the way. And I just sat back, watched them and learned and, you know, started making plays. Yeah. You look, being in two different, look, Washington, L.A. How similar or how different are the defensive systems that were you in D.C. compared to what you are in right now in L.A.? I feel like it's a difference. I feel like in Washington. It was more of like, you know, like a, like a straight forward.

This is we doing, you know what I'm saying? We not really, we wasn't really doing no disguising, like, you know. Damn. Man. Man up and play. We run. But, you're just going out there. You ain't got no ski masks.

You ain't got nothing. You ain't got no dark clothes on. You're just going. Like, that's how Dario is, though. Like, you know, I like. It is. I know, I played against Jack. You go, you're going to put your position.

You got to make the play, you know, that's all that matters. And I fly this Rams defense, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a way. more a complex defense, you know what I'm saying? We run tons of different coverages. Like, it's coverages that I'm learning about this year. I ain't even know it was coverage, you know what I'm saying? It's a real complex defense, and it fits us because we got real smart players on our defense, you know what I'm saying, that can think on the fly, you know what I'm saying,

and we communicate very well. Like, this defense communication is key for sure. Yeah, and it's funny when you talk about defense is being very complex and you're able to do more with the defense when you're able to do more with the defense when you had the right players with the right skill set and can communicate, it brings me back to that 2,000 Ravens, that 2000, early 2000 Steelers defense. But, KC, they used to run defenses that wasn't even on film. They weren't on film and people were always out of position, but they were so good with a great understanding of being able to communicate. And when the ball snaps,

they have fly back to exactly where they're supposed to be at. But it was so confusing for me as an officer player. So the fact that you guys are able to do that to run complex stuff that you really don't see on film, you really don't know what's coming. Yeah. And keep an offense thinking all the time, especially at the snap and after the snap of the ball,

you'll always have an advantage, always have an advantage defensively. For sure. Man, Cam, I'm looking at you guys the schedule. You got the Saints, Niners, Seahawks, bucks, Panthers, Carls, Lions, Seahawks, Falcons, Cardo. Damn, y'all, y'all got a lot of birds up in there. Yeah.

The Seahawks, the Cardinals, the Sanjors, Seahawks, the Falcons, the Cardinals. Y'all would try to put some of these birds out of their misery. Yeah, yeah, we're going to do that for so, man. That's the missing. Hey, speaking of, man, what has it been like, man, to watch Pook and the Cool, man, and Devante Adams, man. Devante still, I know, you know, we talk about some of the best receivers in the game.

You know, they mentioned Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson, you know, JSN and some of those younger guys. But to me, Devonthe Adams is still the best rock runner in the league. But it's crazy, man, just starting off, like, at practice, just watching every day at practice and being able to go against those type of guys every day, like, it makes us a lot better as a defense, right? Because every team you're not seeing that every day. Oh, you know. Oh, you know. So that's just making us better.

And then to add Matthew Stafford in the mix with those two, like, it's crazy. But, like, it's just, it's amazing to see in practice. And it's hard to like follow the quarterback eyes and Matthew Stafford's looking over here and he throwing the ball over there. He's looking over there and throwing the ball over here. You're like, Coach, why you go there? Because he was looking over there. You said to follow the quarterback eyes.

He'd do it at us in practice too. It's not just them. He'd do it to us too. Hey, when we saw it on the take because in the game, you didn't know it out because I was at the Super Bowl. When he threw, when he did that in the Super Bowl, when he threw, and he was looking like this here. and he threw the ball

and Cooper Cup ended up catching it because the linebacker was dead to right. If he looks at him, the linebacker's going to pick it. But because he was looking over here and he threw it, he's like, oh, he ain't fit to throw it. He's like, oh, my goodness. He got that. Going right off his earhole.

That was nice. That's crazy. We see that every day, man. It's crazy to watch. Hey, you know, Coach Yardb, still a receiver coach, huh? Yeah, yeah, my dog. Yeah, Coach Yardt. That was my coach at Oregon State.

For real, yeah. No, y'all is a cool dude, man. That's my guy, man. That's my guy. Well, Cam, thanks for joining us tonight, man. Best of luck, continue success. Stay healthy. And, hey, you guys got a nice little schedule coming up.

But, hey, you don't got your bye week. You get your second win. Now it's time to, hey, time to go finish the task. Yes, sir. Already. I appreciate you all for having. All right, thanks for coming on. Appreciate it.

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a.k.a. Here he is, ladies gentlemen, Marseides, Lewis. What's up, brother? I'm good, man. How you doing, bro? I'm doing well, man. Just everything happened so fast. because, like, obviously, I played 19 last year. I didn't get picked up for camp, didn't do OTAs. This was the first time I hadn't been in camp. So it was a mental, it was messing with me mentally for a second

because it's something that I've been used to. And I'm one of those that I love camp. I love building that gristle and getting ready for the season. And so when I didn't get picked up, it was like, okay, you know, how do I want to go about this? And so I just was kind of more introspective about it. just kind of was in a state of allowing, meaning like not resisting nor forcing what was meant for me. I come back from Joshua Tree. I go to a place where I recover at, getting the sauna.

I get a call from a Denver number. And obviously, I didn't answer it because I didn't have it. I'm thinking it's spam. I'm like, man, what is this? So the number calls back probably like three minutes later. And I'm like, I still look at my phone, didn't answer it. And then the GM left a message He's like, yo, big dog, give me a call. This is George Payton, Jim at the Broncos. I want to talk to you for a second. So I called him back and literally right there, and this was Monday. He was like, yo, can you fly out here tonight?

And I was like, imagine you, I've never been in this situation before. Like, I've always been contracted. So it was just different feeling this, you know, feeling this, right? And so I'm like, you know what? Yeah, I can fly out there. So I hopped on a flight like around eight, got to Denver. like around 11.30 at night, sat on the tarmac for like 50 minutes, then went to the hotel, and then literally next day, Tuesday, worked out, took my physical, and shit, signed

on the spot, man. So it's definitely a different experience. Yeah, you tell them, hell, yeah, you fly, you buy, I fly. Come on now. You know, well, I fly out the hell, yeah, you buy, I fly. No doubt. Hey, Mercedes, was it ever the thought of your mind that you would be able to, for one, make it into the league is one thing. You want to play, you want to have a healthy career, you want to squeeze in as many years

as you can, obviously. But did you ever think you'd get the year 20? Man, I thought, you know, obviously coming out of UCLA, that 10 was going to be a great career. And, you know, and it was a situation where I'm not sure you're familiar with John Embry. He was my tight-end coach at UCLA. Yeah. Hell. He was in camp with me, my rookie year in 1990. Okay.

Okay. So you know, Enbo, you know his energy and just the type of person he is. So obviously, Embo, you know, he coach Tony Gonzalez, George Kittle for a while. Remember Daniel Graham? Yep. So as far as, like, his resume is dipped in blood when it comes to, like, tight ends and how he's able to get across to those guys and, you know, make the air one. Yep.

100%. And I remember, I would say, he got to UCLA, my sophomore year, then fired the tight-in coach we had. He got to UCLA. And the first conversation we had, he was like, look, I didn't come to UCLA to coach for UCLA. He said, I came to UCLA to coach you. He gave me a whole rundown of like my family knew where I was from. I'm from the east side of Long Beach. My mom had me at 15 years old. I've been through just a whole bunch. So he had already done his homework and that kind of lit a fire under me and so right after that that formed the connection and just like that vibration that we had and literally he took me from he said look this is where you are now you got the ability to go through here he was like there's a lot of people

that can catch the ball and run and look pretty we know that you're at your athlete cool we get it you want to play a long time in the league you're going to have to learn how to get your nose dirty and it starts right here. And so he literally took me from, you know, just being able to catch a pass and do nice things with it to, like, really being a dog and would have to be in a dog. And so I learned how to compete under him.

And so by the time I got to the league, this is my rookie year. I get drafted in 2006. Freddie T. Fred Taylor took me under his wing. Hey, Freddie. And Fred Taylor, he called me slim. Like, at that time, I was 6'6, like 260, but I didn't have the math.

right? So he just, I always just called me slim. So one, the first day of pads, we got the Oklahoma drill, right? So this is like my first Oklahoma drill in the NFL. We get three D ends. Freddie T's running behind me twice and then Maurice Drew is running behind me. I pancake the first two guys, moved a third guy out the way. Freddie T. jumped in my back, kind of like wrestle me almost to the grass and was like, yo, you keep blocking like that. You're going to me in the league for a long time. So fast forward to want to sign my contract this morning, Freddie T. text me and was like, you remember that conversation we had? I was like, bro, how could I ever forget that? That's something that I always have with me. And it's something that's inspired me this whole entire time.

So I'm just grateful to, you know, he didn't have to take me into his wing. He played running back. It was, it's just been, it's been smooth, man. And I just take it one day at a time and, you know, just get my personal best or whatever it is I'm doing in that day. And I live with the results you you mentioned Mercedes bro that's still a long time to get your body to go through the rigors uh look we know that you know you know situational now but still you got to come in there and ain't jacksonville where you got nice warm weather you play you in chicago bro outside you're having to go and you were the green bay outside so so we get it so what if the so once you got past year once you got past year once you got past the year team

As you mentioned, I can get 10. Then you get the 15. Because once you get the 10, you take it one year at a time. 100%. Once you got the 15, you had to be like, hold on. Gonzalez played 17, wouldn't play 17. The way I feel right now, 17 is in the bag. Was it ever a realistic shot once you got past 15,

that 20 would be into the play in the equation? Bro, you just hit it on the nose. And like, this conversation is something that I have pretty, with people because they asked me like how did you like like what in your mind made you think that you can just keep going and keep jumping up to continue your career 15 was literally that magic number once I got once I passed 10 I got to 15 and I was like okay I don't want to question it because I don't want to jinx myself but I still feel really good right and so I get to 15 I'm in Green Bay and literally Green Bay is like well we want to sign you to a two year deal because I was

only doing one-year deals trying to just play it by ear. Yep. And like at that time in Green Bay, obviously we had Jimmy Graham. He assigned the contract. He was there for a couple years. Then he ended up leaving. And then I ended up being like the full-time why. Like so I was the why, which means like the do it all tight end for the listeners out

there. And then we had obviously the past catching tight in at that time, Robert Tullion. So yep. I was doing all the dirty work, outside zone, power, ice, I saw all that. Like, you got to sit that edge, Morsetka, you got to set the edge. Come on, man.

I was sifted. I was doing all that. And so they, I didn't expect them to offer me a two-year deal. I thought it was going to be one year, one year. But when they offered me a two-year deal, I felt like it was my responsibility

to go out there and continue to give them what they know that I, that I'm about. And I signed a deal, didn't look back, got through 17, still, still felt really good. A-Rye ends up leaving.

Devonte ends up leaving. Cobb retires, Dave Batari leaves, and I'm like, okay, it's only me here. I know it's about to be my time to go, too. So they hit me up like, hey, Sadie's like, you know, we're kind of changing the regime, like, you know, the... So I'm like, all right, like, no doubt, whatever. Like, you know, I'll figure it out.

And then not too long after that, I would say June, Chicago hit me up. And then we had had Luke Getsy, who was the quarterback coach with Green Bay and was familiar with, you know, how to use me as far as, you know, plays and what I'm good at and brought me to Chicago, thinking that was going to be a one-year deal. Played that out, still played about 43% of the plays at 39 years old, so I'm still rolling. Then the next year bring me back.

So that's two years. And then here we are now. It was just like, once I got 18, I was like, I have to get 20. Yeah, I got to get, I got, I got to get, I got, I can't end on the odd number. I can't get 20. I can't like this is I literally it was like the capstone like 20 is like when I wake up in the NFL ain't a whole lot of players that's ever played 20 season you get a you get a Jackie Slater and you get a Tom Brady and you get a handful of guys but maybe I don't think it's 20 guys

maybe maybe it's 20 guys 25,000 men that's ever played this game darrell green like it ain't a whole lot of guys So let me ask you this. Is this it? You're trying for 21 or you're done it 20. You're stopping on a nice, a nice round, even number. Okay. So, this would be the first time I've ever said this because I haven't,

but this is it. Like, if I said that last year, like if I said that after 19, I wouldn't have felt like I did in these months that I was not playing, right? Like, bro, I will wake up something. time. Like the season started, it was a few teams hitting my agent up, but it was like, just is he still working out? Does he still want to play? Just a bunch of like fluff. It wasn't nothing serious. So I told my agent, Buzz Cook, I told him, I said, look, if it's not serious,

like, don't hit me up because it's messing with my head. Like, some days I wake up sharp and be like, I feel good. And then some days I wake up and I feel like I'm in a nightmare because I'm waking up, I'm watching ball. And I'm in. In my mind, I'm like, there's not 64 tight-ins better than me in this league. And I know I could be out there helping somebody with. Yeah. And, like, especially for what I do at this point of my career, like, I'm the best at this, right? Like, just point of contact, setting the edge, rock setting and play pass.

Like, you know how it is. Like, it's, oh, yeah, yeah. I take a series. I'm going to lock it. We sip the thing up. Hey, we'll scoop it. Whatever you want to do. Hey, if y'all want to put, play, let me be gilling it.

I get on that island. If I need to. Come on. And so, hey, and that's kind of where I'm at. And, you know, today, Sean Payton pulled me inside and was like, I've been watching for the last eight years. Like, even when I was in Green Bay, the Saints kept trying to get me when he was with the Saints. He was like, I just want you to know that I've been watching this for the last eight years.

I know what you're about. Everybody talks about how you are as a person. Like, I get it. But you're not staying in this league for as long as you have just for being a great leader. you've been dominant we need somebody like you and so they made me feel valued they made me feel welcome

and to be honest with you guys like today was the first time I felt like nervous because it was like I'm 41 I didn't do camp no OTAs

what's my reaction time like regardless if I'm working out right like And you ain't, you ain't playing football. Exactly. Exactly. And I really questioned myself. Like the night before going to sign my contract and then going to practice,

like I'm in there and I'm like, you know, they give me the playbook, all of that. I'm looking through. And I'm like, okay, every hour that went by today, I felt more and more confident. Like, I get in there and it's just like all my teammates are like, you know, you know, just loving me up, bro. I'm just like, damn, like, this is where I'm supposed to be, you know, and it feels good. Oh, right.

Once I got on the field, bro, it was just like riding the bike. So I'm grateful for the moment. I've always been in gratitude. I lead with just gratitude, man, and I, it's special, bro. Joe, you had a question. That's what's up, man. Yeah, I wanted to say, first of our Mercedes, man, congrats on 20 years, bro. That's a long time, especially in the NFL.

What, what's the biggest difference? What would you say the biggest difference is from like year one to like year 20 now? Would it be mindset, training, obviously? You know, what would probably be the biggest difference? I think the biggest difference for me, bro, is the time I had to form a routine. Because when I first got into the league, right, like those first three years, you're trying to figure out who you are. Yeah. Like you, you know you're athletic.

You know that, like, you can do some things, but you don't know if you can consistently get it done at that level, right? Like, you're playing against guys, they got families that are not having it. And when I got to Jacksonville, dogs in Jacksonville. Like, I was raised with the wolves in Jacksonville. You know what I mean? So I feel like being in that environment made, like molding me into who I am to day. And I would say after year three, I started to form this routine. How like my in season

workout recovery does not change from my out of season, workout and recovery. And mind you, I said out of season and not off season, I don't take it off. Right. Like I, it's maybe two and a half weeks of just letting my body heal. And, and that means infrared and cold tub. I'm still doing something to keep the blood flow, right? Yeah. Once it gets close to February, like right after Super Bowl, I've been trained in mixed martial arts now for 15 years. So whether it's jujitsu, Muay, wrestling, judo, whatever it is, I would do that from February all the way to May. I do not step on the field until the end of May going into July.

Once I hit the field in June, I get on the grass, straight ahead running, and then we do like 400 breakdowns on the track. And then that's really about it. I'll do like cone stuff, but not too many routes, even in my prime when I was catching a ball. It wasn't a lot of routes and like putting that pressure on my knee. and then when I would get to camp, I would be peaking at the perfect time.

And, like, I really just feel like that regimen has paid me back right now because I still have my legs. I went to Jacksonville where we were run first play action pass, right? Like, you know, Jimmy Smith was getting out of there. Kingdom of Cardell had just got out of there.

It was like Freddie T. Maurice Drew, obviously, we had Kyle Brady a tight-in. I was backing him up as a rookie. then I end up starting as a second year guy. Exactly. And it was like we ran the ball, bro, for at least four or five years straight. And I was still getting my numbers.

You know, I went all pro, my fifth year, pro bowl, all of that. But not like I should have, right? And I would always be like, damn, man. Like, was I supposed to get drafted here? Like, I came out of UCLA, Mackey Award winner, all the records doing my thing. Like, I get to Jacksonville.

And I'm like, bro, I'm blocking ISO power. You know what I mean? Like I'm not really being used Like they drafted me in the first round So I didn't get it That's the best thing to happen for you, Marseid You didn't know it Because had you put up those numbers early

And now all of a sudden You're in year 10, year 11, year 12 And they're not the same as they were In year 3 or 4 Now all of a sudden they're going to say you losing it But because you didn't have 80, 90 catches In the beginning They're like, he's insane.

Yep And what we're asking him to do Hasn't change for what he's been asked to do the previous team, the previous 12, the previous 15. We looked it up, Mercedes. There have only been one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, 11, 12, 13 players to play at least 20 years or more. Most of them, as you could imagine, are kickers.

George Blander played 26 seasons. He was a quarterback, but his last couple of years, he was mainly a kicker. Morton Anderson, 25, kicker. Adam Venetary, 24, kicker, Tom Brady, 23, quarterback, John Carney, 23, kicker, Gary Anderson, kicker, Jeff Fegles, 21, punter. Earl Morrow played 21 as a quarterback, Jackie Slater, offensive lineman, Darrell Green, quarterback, Vinette Tester Verdi, quarterback, Brett Farr, quarterback, Jason Hansen, kicker. And now, Mercedes-Louis is on this list of guys that have played at least 20 seasons or more. And you played a position. Now, Jackie, I'll say Jackie might have had, because Jackie had to bang every play for 20 years.

No doubt. For 20 years, sometimes you got to run, you got to run, you got to run, you got to run routes. I played a lot. 20 years is still crazy. Let me ask you this. Are you married Mercedes? No. because I was going to say that's an awful long time to ask somebody like,

hey, I need you to make these sacrifices for 20. I need you to pick up the kids. I need you to be the PTA. I need you to be the recitals in the football games and all this and all that other stuff. So you understand the sacrifices that you make, but when you have a partner, you're also asking them to make said sacrifices. 100%.

Yeah, absolutely. Hey, Mercedes, what combat sports you do again? Jujica. Um, Muay, Jetsu, a little bit of judo, some wrestling. I don't really. I think that's you right now, Ocho. Oh, you, hey, Ocho ready. Ocho say he won't do a little.

Hey, hey, listen. You know, hold on, hold on. But you know I got a black belt and all that. You got a brown man to hold your pants up. Mercedes, I think you, hey, that's what we want right here. Mercedes and Ocho. Hey, well, you know, I got a, I got a black belt. I got a black belt and jujitian.

Oh, yeah. I submit you pretty quick, bro. Hey, let me tell you something. When I'm done with James Harrison, I beat his ass, I mean, you, I'm you, you welcome week, I mean, whatever you want to do. Ocho, start for somebody like at 140. Man, man, he's 6-6, 265, 270. Hey, Unk, listen to me, Mercedes, I'm 6-4-230, man, what you talk about?

But he do that, Ojo, so he, you not got to worry about his conditioning, he fight, he MMA you can train like that so you know his condition is through the roof hold on time out time out man stop playing with me on sweet Jesus man I trained it's just it's just different it's just different though so it's um like if we was just straight boxing potentially like you may be able to land a couple shots but I'll still fight behind my jab and we listen no hold I have land a copy shot me who your ass just is boxing no you see how you see how calm I am right now How are you going to get, let me ask you a question, Ocho.

How are you going to get up? You don't, you never fought from your back. You don't know how to get up. Who do you talk about, man? I could fight off my back foot, front foot. No, I said your back, not your back foot. Your back. Oh, I'm, what you, hey, I was, I was the state champion grappler.

What do you talk about? Your ground game like, no. Your ground game. Yeah, it would be, it would be dope to, uh, to roll with you, though. if you ever want to roll. Obviously, yeah. Let me know. Let me know.

Hey, what's wrong with my goddamn camera? Don't start me to line is your camera. We got, we got, we got Marseid's talking about, you know, hey, if you want, if you want to bang a little bit, he, hey, he's ready. He got the gear and everything. Ocho logging off now, huh? Nah, yeah. Hey, hey, Spram, hey, Spare him. Hey, Spare, oh, yeah, it's all good.

I don't know. No, no. The only thing, the only spare I know about is a tire and it's in my trunk. Okay. Let me ask you question. So where is home, Mercedes? Sherman Oaks now. Oh, okay, okay. Okay. So you stayed in Calais. Yeah, I'm in L.A.

I bought my mom a house in Lakewood, which is about 30 minutes from Long Beach where I grew up at. We spent some time in like South Central, use of a relationship, all that. You know how I go. And for me, I bought a house in the casino and then obviously the fires happened. It got close to the crib. Thankfully, I was able to sell my house last year. and then now it's more so just renting to be more cash-free because I'm not sure what I was going to do.

Was I going to play a 20th year or potentially go to the front office or whatever? I just didn't know. And so now I got to hold that off for another two months or three months and figure that up. But that's what, so you're looking at potentially thinking the valley is probably going to be where you set drop anchor at. I think so.

But it's going to be California. You're not necessarily the valley because we don't want to give out your information. Right. But you know probably California. You're a Cali kid at heart, so that's probably where you're going to set up shop. Yeah, like California is, you know, I feel like, like, me and my mom are, like, best friends, too. I don't know if I could just, you know, bounce on her like that. And then.

Be that far away from her. Yeah. And so, like, I would probably rather stay there. But I love to travel, too. So even if, even if I, like, got something again in California, it would probably be, like, just a dope penthouse or something. Something I don't have to worry about maintenance. I want the panoramic, and I could just pull up, plug, and play, and then I travel. Because having the house and all that is up to your mortgage, bro, I'm over it.

I'm over paying mortgages and interest rates, and I'm just over it. Man, right. Yeah. So I just, you know, the older you get, like, for me, I've been more of a minimalist or minimalist, the older I've gotten. And so I realize that I don't need a whole bunch to find joy. Like, I'm happy inside, you know. So all the other things that, like, and mind you, playing in Jacksonville, it's not, it wasn't the real NFL experience, right? Like, it's not, there's nothing in Jacksonville, right? No.

You heard that new ball? Come on. I mean, when I got to Jacksonville, they robbing players. It was barely in restaurants. Duce was getting stuck up at gas station. No, swear to God, dudes is getting stuck up at gas stations. It was just not, I was like, dude, what am I doing out here? Like, I was born in Long Beach.

I saw all that in Long Beach. Went to UCLA, that changed, right? I'm in Brentwood. Yeah, you're in Westwood. You between Brentwood and Beverly. I get to Jacksonville. I'm like, okay. We're going backwards now as far as like, I'm living, right?

And so, yeah, man, at this point, I'm just like, the least that I have to worry about, least overhead that I have to worry about, can I just pack a bag and go travel and go see the world? Because playing ball, I've been playing Pop Warner since I was seven, have not stopped on 41. When I retire after this show, I just want to see the world, man, like, in a real way, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. Well, you know, at your size, you know, everybody going to think you did something. They go, so you go to far and country, they're going to be poor. They're like, you did something. 100%. You ain't just big for no reason walking around. Nah. And I'm low key, too.

Like, I've already checked into it, like, certain places, especially in South America. Like, I've been in Costa Rica for my birthday, but, like, I'm getting the NFL to give me some security. or something. Like, I'm not, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm not walking around, you know, dilly dabbling in and not expecting nothing to happen. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, right. You definitely got to be on, you got to,

hey, you got to be on your best behavior, watch your six at all times. And the best day to do is the NFL, hey, hook it up for you boy. Come on, man, set me up, please. Right. Hey, when you're at the Broncos, what number are you wearing?

I'm wearing 89. Okay, you got cars. I thought you was going to get 84. I said, man, make the 84 look good at what last time, man? No, you best to ever do it, bro. And ain't no way. Ain't no way. And I wouldn't even, I just wouldn't.

I was just to respect. And it was crazy because you came up. Like, I'm in there, and I'm like, what number do you want? I'm like, 89. And they're looking at the thing. I was like, yeah, there's no 89. And then I looked at Sean Payton. And Sean Payton was like, yeah, the best tie they ever play here is 84.

I said, yeah, he's one of the best ever playing this league, too. You know what I mean? So, like, and that's all positions. So that's not even a question. Like, I appreciate that, man. No, 100%. Hey, man, enjoy it, man. Hey, Broncos look good.

They got a nice defense in a sensational. Bowdox is playing really well. Cortland Sutton, a mims. Hey, they got guys that can go make plays that can run the football with Harvey and Dobbins. Hey, keep it going, man. And who knows? You might see you in San Fran, baby. Hey, let's do it, man.

I appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me, bro. This is the first time, you know, You know, me and Sharpe actually had a conversation, so I was geek for that. Ocho, we always be seeing each other out and hollered at each other. Joan was a pleasure, man. Respect your career as well. Thank you, we're going to say that in a minute, whatever, Mutai, or Jitsu, whatever you want to do,

whatever you call it, or Mercedes, you call it. Okay. And we'll get Ocho there. We'll have to pick him up and bring him back. Michelle, man. Appreciate your love, man. Thank you. Thank you, bro.

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These aren't the only troubling comments Johnson has made to one of the team's quarterbacks. Despite dealing with serious leg injury, Travis remembers Johnson asking him, are you ever going to get healthy? Travis, there were things that were said to me, not obviously to that point, because I never got on the field of play about my leg.

Just slick comments. I don't know if he was trying to be slick about it, or you know how some older men just say whatever comes to their mind. And that kind of made me feel a certain type of way. Now, how you feel it? Never that. There was always comments like that. It's easy to point a finger at Justin Fields or Aaron Glenn for the Jets' troubles.

But Robert Salas seems to be the coached defense really well for the 49ers. Aaron Rogers looked pretty good in Pittsburgh. Sam Darno 2. Ocho, Joe, how much blame should we place some ownership led by Woody Johnson for the long, long history of Jets failure? I mean, listen, are you honest, similar to the quarterback situation with the Chicago Bears for the long, long history of failures at that position as well, I mean, management is to blame as well for the long, long, long failures for the quarterback position with the Jets. Most of the time, the identity for the Jets has always been their defense. That has always been the better part of the successful part of their team. Obviously, not this year. And obviously, offense, not this year as well. But I thought, I really thought this was Justin. field year. Yeah. I thought it would have been his year. He had nothing to worry about. He had nobody eyeing over his shoulder. It was his team, his team to win and his team to lose. They're one and seven obviously beating my bangles. But it is what it is. But I think at some

point they will turn it around. I think he can be the future for the New York Jets. Is he going to get that opportunity to be after Woody Johnson came out and said some of the things he said publicly that most owners would say to themselves or people, you know, upstairs. You know, upstairs. You Yeah, you never say anything like that publicly, but it seemed like since Jerry Jones said, what do you need to say? Other owners are now having the, the owner's in the Wirwithal to say, you know what, forget it.

I'm just going to say how I'm feeling and let them know. And it has to, it has to hurt to know that your owner feels that way, and I still got to go out there and play for him. What did you think, Joe? Hey, look, I kind of, I agree kind of with Justin Fields. I mean, you got other guys who don't play for that. franchise, man, quarterbacks, and they went off and, you know, play for other organizations. And they've been playing pretty exceeded.

They're playing extremely well. So, therefore, yeah, you got to start up top with the organization of how things have been ran because for whatever reason they hadn't been getting, you know, great outcomes. Obviously, Justin Fields played great this past week. But, man, you hope he can build confidence from that and try to, you know, continue to, you know, play at an elite level. they got improved the roster overall locho i mean yeah but that's hard on you know how much time that's well hey will they would they give erring going the time to hey would they give erring

the time to improve the roster i think because a g played there i think he'll probably have a little long i think he'll have a little longer right leeway than most i don't want to i don't want to you know say what we would normally say a longer liege because everybody's saying we can't I just try to be politically correct. I think he'll have a longer opportunity to stay than probably most because of his history with the organization and how well he's played for the organization and what he knows him personally.

So yes, I do think he'll have a, but look, I don't care who you are. If your quarterback doesn't play well, it's hard for you to win in this league. It's hard. Very. But, hey, Joe, situations matter. The situations on where you play and where you go and what's surrounding you is very, very important, Joe. Yeah, I agree.

I can't think of it in basketball terms, but maybe Uncle Joe, you could probably relate to it. Who would be Daniel Jones on the New York Giants in basketball terms? And then all of us, Daniel Jones, that player actually leaving said team and going to where else is succeeding the way Daniel Jones is succeeding in Indianapolis. Who would that be in basketball terms? Who would that be? Because Daniel Jones, balling. I'm talking about killing it. Yeah, I'm trying to think.

Let me see. The only thing is that Brunson didn't, I mean, he left the Mavericks and went to New York and he balling in New York. But that's his own team. Okay. But that was, yeah. He was back. You know what I mean? Ain't nobody.

Ain't nobody who overshyed Luca. Not now. Yeah, he was backing up Luca. But he went off and, you know, obviously, you know what he's doing in New York right now. But. I'm trying to think. Because I mean, they let Daniel Jones go. They just, they, they let him walk on about it, didn't it?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And he ended up with, he went to, uh, wouldn't he, didn't he go to Minnesota for a year? What did he? Yeah, he was the backup. He was the backup in Minnesota. Yeah. Went to Minnesota.

They went on down to the end. Uh, uh, in basketball, I don't know, man. Uh, no, but he played, he was good in the end. in Chicago. Who was that? Jimmy Butler. Yeah. Jimmy was good in Chicago.

Jimmy's been good. Everywhere you went on. Chicago, Philly. He's always been consistent. I mean, what he does well. See, the thing is that we thought, we thought, if you go back and look at Brunson, when Luca was out, he showed you what he can do

if he had his own team. Yeah. Yeah. Go back and look at when Luca missed that time and look at what Brunson was doing. Bob. Cutting up. So now he got his own team.

He's going to be the primary ball handler. He's going to be the primary shot taker. I don't think anybody is surprised by this. Now, maybe the guy averaged 26, 27 points a game and as many 30-point games he's had. But I thought he would be really well. Now, did I think he'd be an all-NBA selection? I wouldn't go that far, but I thought he could make the all-star team.

I thought he could make an all-star team. Because the guy that's playing that well in spurts when he has the ball in his hand and they say, okay. And, um, uh, kid, kid, like, okay, we need you to do more of a role and not be so, boom, we saw that. But look, yeah, James Hardin. We saw what he was. Yeah. Remember, he was six men of the year?

Where he was. Hey, I'm sure if people thought he could be good, but not averaging 36 point a night good, not changing the game good with that step back. Nah. Nah. Uh, who else was like that? Now, with Shea just didn't get a chance to play. If Shade got a chance to play, and plus, look, he was, he was not going to do that with the Clippers. Not with Kauai.

You had just gave, you had just think about what you got with Kauai. Kauai was going to be the main ball handler. Shade's in a situation. Shade knows he can get as many shots as he won't, and he ain't stepping on nobody's toes. Yeah. The, the, the clippers, they didn't, they weren't going to wait for his defense. No, no, they couldn't because it was why do you bring in Kauai and Kauai wants to win now? And he basically, he basically said, if you don't get me Paul George, I'm going with the Lakers.

Can you imagine Kauai, LeBron, and AD, and then you playing in the basement with that? No, they had to. They had to do it, Ocho. I mean, hold on, hold on. I have a question, Joe, Joe and Uncle. If the clippers knew what they knew now about saying how he would. They would have never traded it. they would never tell yeah so how do you not see how do you not see because because he

wasn't how do you not see that rookie oh cho and no rookie because you got to realize he wasn't the first pick in the draft he wasn't a d he wasn't zion that you're running your office through so now he's in a situation he's the office so you there's no possible way let's just like james hardin that people thought james could be good because he was a great ISO player when the sick when when kd and uh russ went to the bench james hard right was sensational but sensational is averaging 16 points a game he averaged 36 he had games where he went like 30 40 40 games he's average getting 30 a night 60 point triple doubles 50 point triple doubles but he knows it's a lot easy to play ocho if you're the number one and you know you're gonna

get 12 13 14 targets a game right but i i i understand that right but the basketball heads that are in the clippers organization those that have been watching the game scouts to gms and understanding you have an eye for talent there's a certain thing that we can see it's called the it factor it's called the eye test even if it's not his team you can tell when the player's going to be special you can look at them their game their skill set what they can and what they can do and when you look at shay's game on both ends of the court that's somebody that you say this mf is special hey I'm not letting him go.

I think the Clippers knew he was special. I seen Doc Rivers because he was coaching the clip. He said that was the hardest thing to put in the trade was to add Shea into their trade because he knew that Shea was going to be pretty good. Now, I don't know if he thought he was going to be MVP good. But he knew he was going to be good. And then on top of that, Uncle Ocho, you never know.

Like for Shee, maybe that was great for his career because it probably put a little fire in him. He's going to be like, all right, they got rid of me. I'm going to show him. You know what I mean? And now he's playing at a level to where I don't think nobody's seen this, bro. He's a bucket.

He's 30 points every night, give a take. I don't care. I don't care. What happened? He's going to have 30. And plus, oh, Joe, the biggest free agent available was Kauai. Kauai said, if you don't get me Paul George, I'm going to sign with the Lakers. Do you really want LeBron James, Kaui Leonard, and AD in the building that you

play in. Do you really want that to happen? Was that possible? Yes, it was possible. Was that realistic? He was going home. He was going, Kaua was going back to L.A. I don't know what you didn't know what team yet, but he was going back to L.A. for sure. Okay. That's

crazy how players, especially NBA players, can control where they want to go. They can pick and choose where they want to go. If they say I want to trade, I don't want to be here anymore, the team had no choice but the move. Superstars. Well, you have to because if a guy only has one year left on his deal, Ocho, and he's telling you, you know, he ain't signing back in so many words,

then you got to trade him to get something back, you know what I mean? What doomed OKC was Kevin Durant walked out the door and didn't get nothing for him? Yep. Imagine if you could have traded him before. See, he walked out the door and you didn't get anything. Nothing. KD. at his prime. out of your door and you don't get anything for him the same thing had the

clippers could have tried to put up just got the clippers the hornet not the hornets the pelicans could have tried to play hardball but AT contract was coming up do you really want Anthony Davis to walk out of there and you don't get nothing for him and you know the pelicans okay okay ain't nobody coming to New Orleans I'm sorry it's a great city having to jazz and the food is amazing but you're not getting superstars to come down to New Orleans You're just not. So you have to, you don't have a choice.

Right. So, so what, what do I, what do I do, what do I do, Joe? And like I said, yes, I think Doc realized that shade was going to be good, but I don't know if Doc thought he'd be this good. Yeah, Coach Belichick, the reason why they kept Tom Brady, they kept four quarterbacks that year, Coach Belichick said with a little work, he thought he could be good. You thought he's going to be seven, seven Super Bowls good?

You thought he was going to be the all-time leader and passes, touchdowns, wins, Super Bowl wins, Super Bowl MVP. You thought he going to be that good because if you did, you would have took him in the first round. You wouldn't have took him into sixth round. And you guess what? You started him from day one. So you didn't know. You thought it could be good. Everybody, oh, yeah, we knew, shut up, bro, I was my draft pick.

Me making the team was a feat in and of itself, let alone being able to play 14 years and having the accomplishments. Everybody gets to say that after the fact, Ocho, yeah, I knew that boy was going to make it. Oh, I knew, oh, I saw him in high school. I told such and that boy going to make it. Right. Hey, it's a lot that has to transpire and a lot has to happen. It does.

Along that journey, man, you know what I mean? The things that mold us and to becoming professional athletes, the things that we go through, man, it's ultimately it determines pretty much much your longevity in the game or how you, you know, approach the game. So when you look at Shea, it's just like when I look at Shea, I'm like, man, can you imagine him in L.A. in that new arena they got over there? And that's, and think about it.

That was another reason. They're getting better to build a new arena. What do you need to go into a new arena, Joe? Superstars. Yes, sir. People would tell him, why ain't better than SGA? Maybe not now. If you think, if you think SGA in his first or second year was better

and Kauai y'all a damn food y'all let y'all damn mind that man was a two-time defensive player of the year and a two-time finals MVP the man is one of the 75 greatest players of all time what do you mean okay if you want to say he's not better than Shay now I'm not been to fight you as a matter of fact I'm put my hand behind the chair I ain't I ain't you know what I'm saying Joe I ain't go fight him but come on now y'all make it seem like Kauai was a bum and he was far from he's still not is the injury Prong? Yes. Has injury robbed him of some of his best years? Yes. But to say that he was, SGA was better at that time, it's just not true. Because I remember before Jaja Pachit shot, stuck his foot up under Kauai, they had, they had to go to state down by like 18. Yeah. Yeah. Kauai was, Kauai was a really, Kauai was a great player. There's a reason why he's a, uh, a, a, uh, a, a, uh, a, a two-time champion. He's a two-time defensive

player of the year. He can play both ends of the court, and he can play it well. But injuries have robbed him of some of his best years. Hey, I'll tell this squad. I'm quite like 6-7. 6-7, yeah.

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