Club Shay Shay - Best of NFL News Part 1: Justin Fields LAST CHANCE, DeAndre Hopkins's DELUSION, Modern practice rules RUINING players

Episode Date: March 18, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson bring you the Best of NFL on Nightcap, reacting to the shocking trade of Justin Fields from the Jets to the Chiefs. Unc and Ocho also sound off on DeAndre Hopkins throwing shade at the Ravens over his lack of production, while breaking down Maxx Crosby growing frustration and trust issues with the Raiders after a failed trade to Baltimore. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Justin Fields traded to Chiefs14:47 - DeAndre Hopkins says he felt underutilized this season27:27 - Modern practice rules for rise in soft-tissue injuries47:32 - Seahawks DT Byron Murphy II with the Lombardi Trophy at his wedding (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Stay for the story. The Chiefs found that new is backup quarterback to Patrick Mahomes today. They agreed to send a 2027 sixth round draft pick to the Jets to acquire Justin Fields. Fields wanted to continue his career in Kansas City, although there were other teams interested in acquiring him per Adam Schepter. To facilitate the trade, the Jets are paying $7 million of the 10,000. million guaranteed contract of 2026, Kansas City

will pay the remaining 3 million. Mahomes is rehabbing after having surgery in December to repair a torn ACL and an LCL in his left knee. Ocho, we were talking about this because the reports had come out that the Chiefs were possibly

interested in Russell Wilson. Now that we know they're going away from Russell Wilson and turn into Justin Fields, you like this? Are you surprised by this? What are your thoughts about this? I mean, I kind of like it because I'll go back to what did Justin Fields look like when he's with the Pittsburgh Steelers. What did it look like when he had an actual starting job? I don't want to base anything, a small symbol size.

What we saw Justin Fields with New York Jets, because nobody does well over there. Nobody does well over there because from top to bottom is not run the right way. But what is with the Steelers, a competent organization that is used to winning? Obviously, he looked somewhat good until Russell Wilson got healthy and then he had to sit down. If I'm not mistaken, Justin Field went four and two in the sixth game that he did start. So I think

with Andy Reed and B. Enemy and some of the weapons they do have over there, if Justin Fields has to be the quarterback until Pax Mahomes is healthy, I'm okay with that. Because I understand what he will look like when he has the right supporting Cassarani. Yeah, I mean, I like this. Andy loves mobile quarterbacks. Remember what he did?

Donovan was mobile, but then he Michael Vick, who was even more mobile than Donovan McNabb. Yes, yes. And he has success with that. So I'm not surprised. Obviously, Justin Fields is a lot more mobile than Patrick Mahomes, and he's going to be a lot more mobile than Patrick Mahomes coming off this knee injury. But I agree with what you had to say is that given this system,

given to Andy's quarterback whisper for the quarterbacks, it's hard for me to see that if Justin Fields has to play two, three games that he won't have a level of success. Understanding that, you know, hey, they do a great job of making sure you get the ball out of your hands quick. They run a lot of jailbreak screens. They believe they can run the ball a lot better to take some pressure off of the passing game.

That's why they went out and signed Kenneth Walker, K-9 in free agency to relieve some of the passing game pressure because the asthma holes to drop back and continuously to throw, throw, throw, you're putting yourself in harm's way. I don't think they're done yet, Ocho, they got a top. 15 pick and they got the 29th pick from the Rams. They got two first round picks. Don't know quite no other direction that they're going to head in and those. Do they trade both of those picks and move into the top 10, top five?

I'm not sure about that. But I kind of like this. But I will say this. If he can't have success here, where can he have success at Ocho? Well, listen, if going to Kansas City, if you look at the starting quarterbacks and obviously the backups that have been there that had to go in and fill in for the starters, they've always had success. They've always had success.

And Andy Reid will come. I'm not calling him the quarterback whisper, but all quarterbacks he's worked with and coach, they've all, they've all had success. So I expect him because of what he has around him to have success. And what I like about him is he can throw the ball, but he also adds the dynamic of being a dual threat as well. So I'm sure they're going to play to his strengths

to make sure he can keep that ship afloat while he's in. Well, that's what you're going to have to do. Obviously, defensively, we'll see what they're going to do defensively. They lost a lot of guys, both of the starting corners, starting safety. So that's three started off the defense. They restructure Chanel contract.

They'll probably do something with Jones' contract. Defensively, they're not the same. They don't get out there. They don't attack the quarterback the same way they once did. Spagg still wants to pressure when he feels threatened.

You get close to his end zone. He's going to bring pressure. And teams were prepared for that and they made them pay for some of that this year. But I like this Justin Fields. Hopefully he can figure it out. Because, look, we throw everything out the window that he did with the Jets because, like you said, the Jets are not a very well organization, and they don't have the best pieces around him.

Okay. We're going to throw out Chicago. At some point in time, we've got to stop throwing out stuff. At some point in time, hey, the baby just dirty. We can't just keep throwing our bathwater. It's not a baby dirty. Right, right. And in this situation, at some point in time, Moucho, we're going to have to say, hey, we're going to have to put some of this on Justin Field.

I agree. I think the Jets, I don't think the Jets did any favors. I think Chicago, there are some things that he could have done better, like understand protection and be able to redirect the protection so you don't become vulnerable.

If they don't do it, you should be well enough, thoughtful enough as a quarterback to say, hell no, y'all, listen this, nah, rip this. Hey, I want to be able to see or if it's a rip protection,

live it so I can see the blitz coming because I'm a right-hand. the quarterback. But at some point in time, we got to start holding these players accountable. We can't keep blaming organization, organization, organization. There are some bad run organizations. I will concede that. But you can't go to 15 organizations and say every last one of them are run poorly.

In some point in time, you're not doing your job. Yeah. I mean, I could only base it off what he did is the last organization he was at, where I thought he was going to, obviously, I don't have to look over my shoulder. Finally, I get a team where they have to worry about anyone taking my job. But unfortunately, that job was the New York Jets. And I'm not sure when the last time they've actually had success because top the bottom on, you know how it is.

I don't need to say anything. I mean no disrespect, no to anyone that plays for New York Jets. But it is what it is. It is what it is. So Justin Fields, seeing what he look like when he's with the Steelers, with a competent organization that has run the correct way from top to bottom. I saw what he looked like the small semi-sized. saw with him there. I know exactly what he's going to give you when he's where the Kansas City

Chiefs. And it doesn't take much because Andy's system is very quarterback friendly. You look at the success that Alex Smith had in that system. You look at Donald McNabb in that system. You look at Michael Vic in that system. My homeboy is an outlier. So he's going to look good in any system. That's Patrick Mahon. You can make a case that he's a top five, top six quarterback as we currently sit here and speak, Ocho. So he's an outlier. But if you look at other quarterbacks, Alex Smith was mobile. People, I mean, I I know, you know, you look at his bag and I thought he got hurt. Yeah.

He was mobile, Ocho. You watch him in San Francisco and how he can move. They would move the pocket with Alex Smith. Yeah. You look at him in Kansas City. They would move the pocket. He was very mobile. And so I think hopefully Justin Fields can have this level of success.

And you see what he did. Andy came there and you got my homes and then Alex Smith was able to go to the commanders and, you know, he ended up messing up his leg. But hopefully Justin. fields can have this level of success. I thought he could be good watching him at Ohio State. Sometimes you get a false sense because when you got five, six first round wide receivers, Ocho, you get a little false sense.

I'm like, well, damn, is he that good? But, you know, we look at what he was throwing to. He got a lobby and he got Garrett Wilson. And, you know, he got all those guys like, well, damn. But he's going to have to play better because I agree. I think, Ocho, people are more in your camp in the jails of a bad situation. Chicago didn't surround him with anything. Pittsburgh, he seemed to be heading in the right direction.

Yes. But they never committed. They committed to Russell Wilson. Russell got hurt in training camp. And, you know, Mike Tomlin never committed like, well, if Russell gets healthy, this is still Justin Field job. He didn't make that declaration. So I was surprised.

I think a lot of people were surprised that when Russ got healthy, that he went to Justin feels considering how well feels was playing. But this is an insurance policy. It only costs them $3 million. The Jets picking up, you know, $7 million of that of the $10 million that he's guaranteed. And so hopefully it works out for him this time around. Hey, listen, that's a good team to be around too.

That's a good team to be around. Obviously, that atmosphere, that winning atmosphere, and being able to learn behind the homes once he does get back just in case the opportunity presents itself again, but Justin Fields be the quarterback of a team somewhere else. Just being able to take some of the attributes that he's learned from Mahomes and that system will be tremendous for him.

But here's the thing, Ocho, you know this now. If you don't do well and end it system, they're going to say, yeah, it get tough down. It get tough after that. It gets real tough. It get real slim after that. Man, pojo.

Can we put this up? Yeah, we're going to put this up. up. I feel bad too. Feel bad for who? Joe. What happened? He up there at the game by himself.

He wasn't by itself? Yeah, it was. Hold on. Yeah, I'm going to let you, I'm going to let you argue with the mother of my child. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. See, there you go. Why are you trying to play, bring somebody else into this?

I'm a, hey, I'm going to let you argue with her. No, there. Ain't no arguing going to chat. Ocho, you see, Ocho, there's no need to be no discussion. Ocho, he knows with all his kids' birthday. He knows if he's out of town, he's going to contact them off and say, we need to move this up because I'm going to be out of town. How are you going to tell her what to do?

Well, she told you what to do. If she said, I need you here today, I'm here today. Okay, well, so what, but Ocho, you had made plans. Hey, Unk, I don't give a fuck about no plans. My motherfucking child birthday is here. Well, you should have did that. What you should have did that with Joe? I talked to Joe already.

What are you talking about? I talked to Joe earlier today. Now, y'all don't piss me up but my goddamn child. It's a birthday. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. How are you getting ticked off

because you put this, you put this request in for a month ago? Listen, man. I send that man his money for a ticket. Y'all acting like it's that goddamn serious. I said it's my child birthday. Anybody don't like it. You know what the F you could do.

Now that's the last I'm going to say about it. Oh, wait, wait, wait, I know I play around a lot. My child birthday is tomorrow. I have to get on the flight at 9 a.m. Therefore, a mama asked me to stay in town the day so you'll do some with her because I'm going to be going the rest of the week till Sunday.

That's all. That's all. Ocho. That's all? Oh, Joe. No, let me finish. I talked to Joe earlier today. I say, Joe, I'm not going to be able to make it.

Because I have obligations with the little one. They move what she had to do up because she has to prepare for a tennis tournament this weekend. That's all. Now, we make it a little bit more complicated than we should. Ocho, but nobody is saying. You're telling me about a basketball game versus my child's daughter, my daughter's birthday.

Ocho, you're the one that recommended you go to the game. He didn't broke the subject to you. I wasn't able to go to the game. Okay, Ocho. What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? by staying for your child's birthday.

So why are we even making an discussion? No one is saying, Ocho, Ocho, now how are you going to go to a game? Hey, can I actually say something? When you have something to do important, do I say anything? No, I don't. I don't, I don't. So why y'all making it a big thing?

Ocho. Hey, we talk about a basketball game. Yeah, we, Ocho. But here, this is why, and chat, now you understand, this is why I don't commit. because things come up and to make that commitment, that's why when people say, Shannon, can you do this?

Shannon, can you go there? I can't commit because I got so many things going on that I don't know. So even though Shelly has my schedule six weeks, two months in advance, something might come up just like that. And I can't afford to ask somebody to do something

and then I back out of it. They have nothing to do anything at all right now. They have nothing to do anything. Hey, I need you here for your child's birthday we got to move it up. her birthday's tomorrow so we had to move back because I got flowers. Why you couldn't move it back? Moving back where?

The birthday. What is the birthday? How about her birthday's tomorrow? Okay. So I'm not here tomorrow. My flight's at night and tomorrow. Hold on, Ocho. Okay. How about this here? Happy birthday. Hey, hold on. Hey, matter of fact, matter of fact, I'm going to give me your number so you can explain to her.

No, Joe, that ain't necessarily. Ocho, why you got to do all this for me? Because we're making it more than what it really is. We talk about the basketball game. You act like I'm supposed to be at the goddamn White House or something. Oh, Ocho, come on, Ocho. Happy birthday. I was just saying, Ocho, come on, man.

But I understand Ocho. I understand. Hey, I don't play when it comes to my kids. I don't care what I got to do. I don't care. And anybody don't like it. You know what time it is. I mean, no disrespect

to the chat and you, I'm just saying some people trying to make jokes that he-he-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Chad, what's your thinking, Chad? Y'all left Jones' stuff. Hey, she, how you still go? She's all right?

Hey, yo. Are you? As a matter of fact, as a matter of fact, give me, give me your child. Give me your co-parent number. I want to talk to her. Hold on, hold on.

Let me call. Let me call. No, we don't need to talk. to go, we've been... Getting ready for a game means being ready for anything. Like packing a spare stick. I like to be prepared. That's why I remember 988, Canada's suicide crisis helpline.

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What a catch this was. In response, D. Hopkins says, How many times after this do you think I was used in the red zone? When targeted, I'm still one of the best, still one of the most productive, but never complain with my snaps and never will. facts. DeHop, who's 33, finished the season with 22 catches, 330 yards and only two touchdowns. Ocho? I hate when they do this to us.

Go ahead, go ahead. Talk to you. I hate when they do this to us. Hey, chat, I hate when you reach your 30s, as great as DeAndre Hopkins was, as much as what I know he can do and provide for offense, especially one, like the Baltimore Ravens, and to be underutilized, understanding how good he is in one-on-one situations. goal line situations, 50, 50 balls turning it, turning the 90, 10 when it comes to him, when it come to making contested catches. All you got to do is just throw it in the vicinity. He has hands like Larry Friend Gerald.

I'm not sure what his drop rate is, but I'm sure it's up there with some of the best in the NFL like Chris Carter and Larry from Gerald. Once you hit your 30s, they continue to weed you out. Obviously, on the team, they don't use as much, obviously, because they more so use the young bulls and the young bucks that they do have, but he's such an extreme talent. Even at 33, I understand the production that he can have, but it's just, I hate that they weed you out. I mean, it happens to all of us, I'm Julio Jones, you know. I can go down the list of all the great receivers that were great at one time, and they go to teams and they're underutilized

just because of age. And that's the way they weed you out in general. And at some point, it's going to come to a point where the game is so young where there's no more opportunities left for you. Oh, Joe, you know this. Once you start going every year, it's year to year, you're only going to be there one year. Yeah. The likelihood of them bringing you back,

you saw what happened. He went to Kansas City and he went over here and he went over there. He might as well get accustomed to if he wants to stay for an extended period of time, just says, you know what? I'm a hard gun. I'm here one year. It's a temp service. anybody that's in the chat,

nobody's in the chat, nobody's service. You're there temporarily. He's going to be on these team temporarily. They're not looking for DeAndre Hopkins to be a long-term solution. Yeah. He might believe he can, and I don't have any reason to believe that he can't.

But I'm saying they're not going to give you those opportunities because they don't intend for you to be there after the time in which you are there, which is basically the football season. Yeah, I hate that. It is what that, Ocho, that's what it is. I know, I know. I hate the way that business works like that,

especially when you have a player that is really good at where they're due. I mean, really good at what they do and really good at what they've done. But again, the opportunities decrease, I hate that. I hate that. If you give him the opportunities like he had when he was in Houston and put him in position to make those plays, he can still make those plays. But obviously, it's the way the business does most of them. I don't know if you're going to ever be the Ocho.

They don't do that. They don't do that to Danty. They don't put him in position like he was in Green Bay because it's Pooka's team. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not going to put him in that because even though we, even though Zayflowers, it's five, eight, five, nine, whatever the case, he's their number one receiver. He's getting those opportunities. And the two tight ends, they're going to get second and third priority.

And then probably Rashon Bainment, he's going to get fourth priority. So by at best case, on the absolute best case scenario, yeah, D. Hop is the fifth option. Yeah, but see. And you already know the fifth option, don't you already know. Hey, very seldom. Very seldom. But why even bring them in? why even bring him in?

It makes no sense to me. Yeah, because they know they're not going to use him in the capacity that in order to maximize him, you're going to have to use him in the capacity. And I don't know. I don't think, look, he's saying use him in the red zone, and I think he still can be a valuable option in the red zone. But they're more apt to run the ball. And when they do throw it, I mean, he had him a couple of times.

I mean, Lamar missed him a few times, but for the most part, they're not putting him in situations where he can succeed, which is the red zone. He's, he's never been a guy that had blinding speed.

So he's, he's even less fast than it was when he came into the lead. But he still has great hands. He still has a huge catch radius. So that's why he's saying, give me in the red zone, give me some opportunities.

Let me high point the ball, back shoulder me. Yeah. All those things I can still do at the lead level. Go ahead, Rojo. I say, And this is the difference between the Ravens offense

and how you mentioned Devante Adams, right? Yes. He led the NFL in touchdowns, if I'm mistaken. Yeah, well, 14. Yes. They throw the ball so much over there, and Devante Adams is still so good. Obviously, still the best route running the league.

Obviously, he's still a ball, Ross St. Brown in there as well, who's mainly in the slot. But when it comes to outside receivers and it comes to running routes, Devante is still that guy, which is why his numbers looked the way they did. And they throw the ball so goddamn much.

over there in L.A. so I think that also it kind of hurts being the fifth option down there in Baltimore. It does, but plus you're looking at Matthew Stafford, how many back shoulders

has he thrown to Calvin Johnson? So now he gets a guy that's not as big as Calvin Johnson but can throw the back shoulder it's just automatic. Devante is one of the back shoulders best back shoulder catches in all of football.

Especially with Aaron Rogers. Him and Aaron? You can't stop it. Because if you're behind him, he's going to throw it over the top. If you're on top of him, he's going to throw it behind you. So I'm like, you're like, okay, well, damn coach, what you want me to do?

And like you said, he's still an elite route runner. Yes. He still can get done. And, but it's a, but they're two different receivers. Yeah. People don't look at, people still believe that Devonte, that's why he's making max dollars. He's making $20, $25 million a year, $20 million a year. Because they still believe he's a viable option.

that at worst case scenario, he can be a two, possibly a one if Puka goes out. Remember at Jacksonville, Locho, he had three touchdowns. How many games do we see him with three, two touchdowns? I mean, he got 14 touchdowns, then he missed a couple of games. Yeah. He's still the guy. He's still, he's a, some guys are just touchdown magnets. Theo and Randy.

Yeah, yeah. Chris Carter, Jerry. Those guys, I get another guy, Antonio Gates. man I can never go like Gates I don't know I'll be like I'm like damn I said man I'll be watching Gates I'm like well damn I had retired when he became what he became and I'm looking at him

I'm like damn they get the ball down to the red they get down to the 10 they thought it to him they're like well go get open option away they run Zoro route they run options they run they run sticks they run choice I'm like well damn but some guys can just score have that ability to just score the damn football

they have that ability oh Joe you and I were yardage guys. We're going to get yardage. We might have six for a buck, 20, and no touchdown. Somebody else going to come along and have three for 75 and two touchdowns. But that's the way it is. I know he's frustrated. But once you start bouncing around, Ocho, he's in Kansas City.

And you remember he was in Tennessee. Now he's in Baltimore. It's just a malice. If I'm him, and I want to, you know, stay in the league. Would you hang it up? Nope, not complaining. Well, he never complained before.

He doesn't even, hell, D. Hop don't even talk. That's what I'm saying. That's perfect. Unless you know him personally and you actually have a conversation with him, he reminds me a Troy Palo Maloo or remind me a Chris Henry, you know, God, God, rest in peace. Individuals that play the game and you never, ever hit him talk. I think the last time I heard D.Hop talk is seeing him in person,

and then obviously when him and got them DeAngelo Hall got into it. Was that hard not? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That practice, that's cradage. Oh, man. Hey, that's the first time I ever heard of talk. So, it looked.

I think the wide receivers in that type of a system, the likelihood of them having, Ocho, they're not bad to have no 10, 12 touchdowns like you see Devonte and some of these other receivers. That's not their offense. Their offense is not like that. Yeah. It's a spread of the round offense.

You know, the tight ends might have between the two of them. Might have seven, eight touchdowns between the two of them. Zay might have four or five touchdowns. The back's going to have a couple of touchdowns. But they're not a guy. They're not like Devonte going to have eight. One guy going to have 18 touchdowns. Yeah.

I mean that's not their offense. Right. And there's nothing wrong with that. Because if you think it had been interesting to see, give me when Lamar. Lamar had 41 touchdowns. Let's see the distribution of how it was spread out.

Because, you know, hey, somebody's going to have it, when somebody, when a quarterback throws for a bunch of touchdowns, somebody's going to have 15, somebody's going to have 14, 15 to 18. You look at when, you remember, Ocho, remember Joe Burrell

a couple of years ago? Oh, yeah. We led to league, Chase had 17. Say it had 17, yeah. Some of us, hey, you ain't fit to have no two guys with 17. The quarterback going to throw for 70 touchdowns then. Yeah.

So Andrews had 11. Bateman had 9. Like likely had 6. Wait, Bateman had 9 last year? Yeah. Ooh, that was a quiet 9. Yeah. Yeah.

Damn. So you see one guy in double figures, one guy almost in double figures. And then you have 11, 9, 6, 4, and then it spread out, down to the running back, you know, Henry might have had two and then Mitchell might have had one or two, something like that. So, look, I get his, I get his, I get his frustration. In our minds, we're the last, we're the last one to see it, Ocho. We're absolutely the last one to see it starts to dissipate.

We still, we still holding on, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We still remember what we used to be, Ocho. Yeah. But, hey, but you know what, even if he's a shell of himself, that shell of himself is still good. Yeah, it is. It's still good.

And mentally, you feel like you can still do it. You just understand, just give me the opportunities. Yes. Just give me the opportunities. Yeah. Why bring me in and not use me? What am I doing here? Veteran presence, leadership?

Yeah. Come on. I don't want to steal money. I want to earn what you're paying me. Hey, Ocho, you know, if we get older, you know, your boy used to, hey, I put the hammer down. You know what I'm saying? I put the hammer down, Ocho.

Now I'd be sweating for no reason. I'm just saying, I'm like, yeah. I mean, you know what I'm saying? You know, hey, it happens with you younger. Hey, now they're getting up, they're cleaning up the house, they're washing a load of clothes.

I'm like, well, damn. Y'all got that kind of injury? Yeah. I was wrong. Hey, Ocho. They got crime scene tape around me. I'm dating. They know, they watch two.

loads of clothes, they come up there cooking, they do it. I'm like, what God day! Oh, man. I know I ain't the only way. Y'all laughing. I know ain't the only one, chat. I just say it. I'd be, whew.

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Listen to Dos Amigos as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network, available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Troy Eggman thinks one rule designed to reduce wear and tear on the players' bodies maybe actually caused some of the injuries. Back then, you did two a day of days, that kind of heat, two day after day and after day, two practices in full pass, no restriction, probably for the better the players, aren't as taxed as they were. But Aikman added that there is a tradeoff.

Players aren't physically prepared to start the season. But some of it, we have to do a lot with the reason I think so many injuries, especially early in the year. A lot of salt tissue injuries, a lot of muscle pulls, and things of that nature is that the players are just not able to train their way they was dead. They're not able to calish their bodies as easily. now that the training is hard all that,

but it's different training on your own as opposed to being on the football field and practicing football movements. Ocho, you and I have been saying that. Now, see, we've been saying that. Yeah, same thing. Same thing he just said in a different way. You know, obviously, I think they don't train enough.

Again, he used the word I always used about being able to callus the body, being able to callous the body so it's able to withstand going from zero to a hundred on game day, as opposed to the way practices are. They'd be half-ass and Joe, I mean, no disrespect to the way things are right now. But, I mean, call it spade a spade. It is what it is. I don't think they practice the same way we used to practice back then. Obviously, injuries are going to happen.

Injures are going to happen. But they're happening now at an alarming rate, and there has to be something to it. I think it may be what they do in the offseason, maybe what they do in training camp, maybe it's not enough. But, I mean, with the way they've asked for a little bit more leniency when it comes to the hours that are spent on the practice field, I mean, this is what you get in a sense. Yeah. I just affirm believable.

I agree with Troy. Our bodies were a lot more callous because we did a lot more. In the beginning, you know, we would put you on the ground, but then you'd You still thud it up as we kind of moved towards, got towards the middle 90s and things of that nature. We thud it up. We didn't really take it to the ground, but your body's got used to that.

You asked these guys to go 50 miles an hour all week long and then come Sunday, go 100. That's hard. You've got to put that car to the test. At some point in time, you got to open it up, Ocho, to see what it will do. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. But they go out there, let's meet, let's walk through, let's meet, let's walk through. Ain't no damn meeting and walk through on Sunday. You got to put your, you got to put your body under the gun. Right. If you want the body, if you want the body to respond to a certain nuke, uh, stimuli, you got to put the body under that stimuli. Got to you.

Yeah. I, I don't get it. But, you know, but they want to, they want to do high knee and A skips and B skips and they want to do all that. And I get it on you. I get it. Hey, but come on now. You play football.

Yeah. Yeah. Football put wearing dirt on your body. Yeah, it does. They put helmet on you. They put pads on you. Hey, they tackle your ass to the ground. And that nice speed and that high knee action, I get all that.

But what good is that, don't you show, if your body, as soon as somebody hits you, you shatter like ice, hit the floor. Hey, listen, that's why they talk about, it's kind of the same thing in basketball. That's why they talk about it's kind of the same thing in basketball. That's why they talk. about, man, we need to cut it down 10 games off? Yeah, cut, yeah, but. They ain't going to take 10 games with the salary off.

There we go. There we go. There we go. So, you know, I agree with y'all, though. I just think, like Troy said, that their body's not as callous, you know, as it was back in the day, like, bro, this is all we did. And, yeah, like nowadays, all you see is walk-throughs and playtime and practice. And then, like you say, when game time come,

now you got to rev it up to this height that you ain't accustomed to getting it to and this is what causes the injuries. Yeah. We just, I mean, shit was live. I mean, we hit during the week. 9-on-7 was real. We were pad. I mean, we had pads on Wednesday and Thursday,

and you had on shorts and shoulder pads on Friday. That was my first three years. That was my first three years. Even 707 on Joe, they thudded. It wasn't like guys touch you on the waist and not. Oh, no, no, sir. Yeah. Hey, you called a comeback and you called something.

The DBs came and they put them, putting them pads on you. Square them up. Yeah. Yeah. You let you know I'm here. You got to get used to feeling that contact. But now that's not. And look, I get it.

It's a different time now. I think Coach Saban, I mean, maybe those old school college coaches did like what we did in the 90s coming on. Because Bill Davis ain't bulljogic, bro. We were out there two and a half hours, and we were getting it. And y'all know if you're in the South, you know it's hot. You're hot, hot. And somebody pass out, move move the pile.

They tend to him back there. We move up 10. Hey, if he got hurt on the defensive side, we moved back 20 yards. If he hurt on the office side, we moved up 10 yards. But you're not going to stop, nothing. Yeah, the show don't stop, boy. man, we have guys having seizures. He's going to be okay.

He's going to be okay. Dude foaming at the mouth and everything and go choke. We ain't start no practice. You break a leg or something, break an arm. You, there ain't no practice. Nah.

Hey, hey. Hey, we're going to come pat you on the helmet. You okay? Get you get the time, make sure you're good. That whistle blow. Hey. Y'all ever had teammates come in a day.

They play, hey, A sharp A, Ocho, I ain't got it today. I'm from fake mail injury today. I ain't got it today, man. No, Joe. No, no, really. My first year, we did have a lot of guys because, like I said, Coach Davis told us the first day we met, we met, we had a big old meeting.

Coach Davis said, I got 60, 65 uniforms top. We had 110 guys. Right. Coach Davis said, I got to trim the fat. I had never heard that saying before. Yeah. In other words, he only wanted lean meat. All that fact wasn't going to be there.

So the first day, before we even started practice, we had 30 minutes of running, gassers. Ooh. Wait, hold on, sideline and sideline or goal line and the old line. Over was one. Over back. Right. Over back, over.

We went all the way to seven. Ooh. Twice. Then we started practice. with calisthenics. Oh, y'all, okay, he tripping. And then we had a two-hour practice. Man, you ought to hurt all them cars

cranking up in the middle of the night, Joe, don't you? All you heard was footlock and slamming. Clunk, clunk, clump. Ooh, ooh. Ooh. That's a lot. Hey, boy, look, they remind me a college man. I ain't never worked that hard in my life.

Yes. Hey, the first 45 minutes to an hour practice, you don't even touch a basketball. It's straight conditioning. Okay, O-Toh. I'm talking about straight-conditioning, medicine ball. I'm talking about we used to use a basketball, but it was halfway filled with water.

Right. Like, man, we had all type of mind games. We were playing, well, you get the college, boy, it got rills. But that's the thing. So what you wanted to do? The thing is that growing up, Ocho, we didn't have people.

I'm sure it did. I didn't hear about it, but we didn't have the media like this. But you condition your body to the sun. Because you was out in the sun. You worked in the sun. You played in the sun all the time. You weren't on no video games. And then all of a sudden,

you're going to get your ass out there in triple degree heat for two or five hours a day and going to be okay. You haven't already conditioned your body to get used to that level of heat. What? Ready for it, right? Hey, you, hey, you get dehydrated, you get woozy or, hey, Bill say, go sit up under the team. Hey, son, you all right? Come on. What don't you just, you were done for the rest of the practice?

Oh, no. You better sit your ass off about five, ten minutes and get back in there. Shit. Look, it's a different time now, I understand. You can't practice like that because when I was, we still do it, Oklahoma. We did bully in the ring. half line. We did all that. I remember that. All that.

Hey, Joe, I used to do a bull in the ring, Joe. Hey, what's the bull in the ring? That's the one where you lay down. Hey, no, you put one guy in the ring and everybody else circled around him. And everybody got to know. And he just called a number, Joe. And you just got to keep turning right and round. You got to keep moving your feet. He got to go. He called a number and that dude come and charge you. Yeah. And what you got to stop?

Yeah, you got anger. Joe, you got to anger down. Joe. Hey, I used to do it. Hey, I'm the bull and I'm in the ring. Come on with it. Yeah. Yeah.

I used to do it with the DBs. Yeah. You know, you know, physicality wasn't my strong suit. You know, being strong, wasn't my strong suit, Joe. But that goddamn bull in the ring, you get right. I ain't had no choice but to get right, Joe. I ain't had no choice. I had to anchor down, boy.

A anchor down, boy. And anchor down. But I'd be the first one to tell you, boy, that was not my strength, boy, at all. Like, no lack. Oh, what'd you look like in that Bull of the Ring? When it came to D.Bs and safety to me, I'll make them turn it down. I'll make them turn it all the way down. As anybody at Savannah State from 1986 to 1989, who beat sharp in Bullying the Reef?

Who beat sharp in Oklahoma? I'll make them turn it down. None of them seeing me, none of them. They won't, they won't know that smoke. Not one. One dude, he came from a junior college. Talking, hey, because I showed up late. I showed up late because my senior year.

I showed him. I already done, Carl, Coach Davis, I said, Coach Davidson would be late because I want to make an interest. Ocho, I was chiseled now. You know what I'm saying? Ocho, I was chills now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

227, I probably showed up about five and a half, maybe 6% body fat. Yes, sir. I've been in the sun. So, I'm in the sun. This is my skin right here. That's what I'm looking like.

That's what I'm looking like, Joe and Ocho. I've been to son. I've been in the sun. I don't know. So when I get there, they say, man, this guy, this DB sharp, man, he's talking crazy. I say, what he's saying?

Yeah. He said, man, Sharp ain't going to get nothing on me. He can't out running. He ain't strong as me and he can't out junk. I said, okay. First day, hey, Bill said, hey, we're going to see how tough everybody is today. So we get to practice. We get to practice. So I'm thinking, okay, we're going to, we're going to be able to do. I said, Coach Davis, we catching the past today? Coach Davis said, hell in our homes. It's nut cutting time. I called a trainer. I said, come take my thumbs up

because I didn't want to mess my thumbs up. I said, take your thumbs up. I'm up first. Oh, when you grab in tight? I'm up first, yes, sir. So what he got to do, they blow the whistle. You back pedal, hey, snap. Hey, you back pedal, and then come.

He backpedal, Joe Ocho. And like, when he tried to come forward, he slipped just a little bit. And when he's, by the time he got ready, get up, I had my knee in the chest. So I picked his head up with my knee. And I got him just like this here. Yeah.

All your. Everybody hit me on my head. I said, that's it. I'm done. You were done. I'm done. You said you had to make a statement. Bro, you're not finished.

How you just got here? Do you know, bro, you're going to come here and try to show. And talk records to me. Right. Honestly, I tried to kill him. I tried to put him through the ground. He ain't never, he ain't never say anything else to me. After that, it was a rap, huh?

Nothing. Like I said, bulletin the ring, I tell anybody that went to Savannah State or know somebody that went to Savannah State. Ask him about Shaw and Bullying the Ring of Oklahoma. I guarantee you won't even say, man, man, somebody such and such a guy. I guarantee you won't find nobody to tell you they beat me.

Why didn't play? Hey, Joe, my favorite one. I wasn't good at bull in the ring. But when it's time for one-on-one, you don't got to play. You ain't got to play, oh, come on, come on up here, Joe. Hey, Joe, I take a rep, Joe. Yeah. And when my rep over, somebody else is going.

Normally it's TJ. TJ would go, I jump right back and land. Joe, I take all the one-on-one rep, Joe. Hey, I mean, it was so funny. It's like I enjoyed that. That was my only time where I got to work with the number ones. I got to work with the number one DBs. Because obviously, once you go to 7-on-7

and you go to 11 v. 11, it's scout team. So I wanted my number one dvies that I would be facing, you know, Jonathan Joseph, Delthin O'Neill, Tori James. Oh, you know, Delta. I played with Tori. We did. Remember Jeff Burris? Remember Jeff Burris? From Notre Dame, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't play with him, but Tori and Delta was with me in Denver.

Oh, yeah. In Denver? Yeah, yeah, Joe. So that was my time to get my best work in, Joe, because I don't get to see them boy during practice. Yeah. Yeah, man, I'm talking about Joe. I still, if we, if, if, if goddamn one-on-one was 10-minute, Joe, I got about nine minutes worth of 101. Mm-hmm. I took all. I took all in the league. When I was a wide receiver, we had a, we had a drill. So you had it like start, you know, you tried to, so they had a dummy back there. So the TV trying to start and he tried to push through you to touch the dummy.

Mm-hmm. You know, they're like, man, who will go against Sharp? So, you know, I'm a rookie. You know, everybody's like, I'll go against a rookie. Yeah. I said, in my head, they think I'm so. So. So, you know, hey, I stalked and everything, I hold him off, and, you know, I let him go.

And the DB, he touched the dummy. I say, nobody else will ever touch this dummy. Yeah. Ask, I tell you what, go ask anybody when I was a wide receiver, my rookie year, from that point on, did anybody ever touch that dummy again? Well, you were dragging them to the ground up? You got to come through me to touch the dummy. You could do whatever you want to do. You could shake and do whatever you want.

You just got, I just can't let you touch that dummy because the dummy is the running back. Right. You were doing security. And then he got mad because what I did, he shouldn't have touched the dummy because I had them gave up. And so we went to run on one drill. I beat him. and the, you know what I used to hunt, Ocho? When somebody clicked the back of your heel

and it tied you up and you fall? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He did that issue on purpose. Mm. Fah! You fell? I slapped him in the helmet. Did I? I tried to slap his face mask off.

No, you did it on purpose. I know you did. I don't play like this. If you beat me, you beat me, I'm mad enough to say good job. Hey, we're going to say, we'll get an opportunity to do it again, but I don't play that cheap stuff. Yeah. Yeah, they're tripping me, trip to me because you got beat. Yeah.

Yeah. It happens. You got to realize he a pro too. Yeah. He's getting a check. Joe, he's getting a check. Yeah. But don't, don't do nothing dirty because, hey, I ain't going to stop.

One of us got to go. Oh, them some good days. But I agree with Troy, Ocho and Joe. They don't callous their bodies like we once did. And you see a lot of these, Andrew, you see a lot of hamstrings, you see a lot of groins, you see a lot of calves, you see a lot of soft tissues because your body isn't used to that kind of torque under that kind of duress. You've got to get your body used to it.

It's just like anything. If you want to go out there in the sun, you just can't say, you know what, Ocho? Man, I'm just going to go out there in the sun. that sun don't play. That, you know, a drain, but we, I was used to that. I worked outside. I've never had an inside job

until I retired from the league. All my jobs required me to be my half my black ass outside in the sun, in the cold, in the rain, it didn't matter. So I was used to conditions and elements. You ain't used to it and say, you know what, yeah, I'm going to go out there and I'm going to practice.

It's going to be 100 degrees. What? Mm-hmm. And when we were in high school, Ocho, y'all had two of days in high school? Yes. Yes, we did too. See, we have two days.

I couldn't miss no work because, you know, I wasn't known. I had no salary, Joe. You didn't show up to work. You didn't pay. I told them, I said, hey, y'all want me to play? Y'all need to have practice before I got to go to work. I got to be to work at seven o'clock. Just what time we got practice?

5.15. Or Shannon Sharp ain't coming. Because Mayor Porter ain't fin to have me out here practicing and missed this $16 work. No, sir. No, sir. So you got a choice. We can practice at 515.

Hey, I get you a good hour and a half, and I get to work at seven or Shannon Sharp ain't coming. It's really that simple. I see y'all come when the season started. Man, why we got to practice? Why we got to practice at 515? Because I'm him and you're not. That's why.

Straight up. Straight up. Yeah. But then were the days, Ocho, that was like, hey. Ocho, think about it. You go to practice and then go to work. Yeah, that's, that's crazy.

And then you get lunch, then you go back to work, and then you got practice that evening. Yeah. Man, please. Ocho, check this out. Seahawks Super Bowl champion, Byron Murphy, was walking around with the Lombardi trophy at his wedding.

this is weekend. Let's take a look at the video, y'all. Hey, that's dope, huh? I think they started to treat the Lombardi Trophy like they do to Stanley Cup where everybody get an opportunity to keep it for a day. Right. I like that. Was that the actual trophy?

Yeah, I have a trophy. Okay. Hey, that's live. Yeah, so, you know, ain't nothing left for me to do. Hey, I have a question. Ain't nothing left for me to do, but it's all to do. that thing on Cho.

Hold on. See, that's what I understand. So those are replicas like you have, right? No, you, uh, look, uh, John got the OG. Most people get the little minis. Right. But me. I'm, I'm, what those run on? I don't know.

This was gifted to me. You know what? I'm gonna get me one of them made two in gold. I'm gonna get them, I'm gonna get them, I'm getting one of, I'm gonna get one of the made and gold, man. Yeah. I don't know what made and gold

in the Lombardi is silver. The same way I got my busing gold and the bus is bronze. Bronze. Yeah, yeah. So I want everything to be gold. The one that they give you is made out of wood. The one that they put in the hall.

It is. The one that's in the hall is the bronze. The one that give you is the wood. But I'm going to donate mine to Savannah State. For real? Yeah. Am I just? jacket. Okay.

Because I ain't got but one jacket. What I'm going to do? Get one jacket to the kid. Get one jacket to the kid. Give a Hall of Fame ring to a kid. Nah, that's going to go to Savannah State. I'm going to get a ring, the jacket, and the bus to Savannah State. The kids get enough stuff. Trust me. They get enough. They'll be okay. Yeah. They'll be okay, Ocho. Yeah. So that's what I'm going to do. I'll have my Super Bowl trophy at my wedding.

Who are all coming? Hey, we, we, we, we, we, we, you get married next year, huh? Yep. We gonna do the dual wedding or, uh, no. We can do that. You know, you know, you get a discount. Yeah. But you know, right now, Ocho, I, I, I, I've come to the realization.

I'm done being with somebody that I have fun with. Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. This is, this is the very, this is the very pivotal moment. Yeah. Like, I like where you're going. That's, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me get comfortable. Now, talk to me.

I found somebody that I can suffer with, I can endure with. Because you can have fun with anybody. Right. Come on, man. You can have fun with anybody. Say you're going to the Mawfi coach. Say you're going to Tahiti. Say you're going to Santerini, amicus.

Bali. You'll have fun. Right. When you come to suffering, when it comes to enduring. Come on, man. Who you want to do that with? Who would do that with you? I got a question, though.

I got a question. Now, when you say you found someone you can suffer with, you got somebody you can have fun with. You know what that's like. Yeah, yeah. You know what it's like when the sun is shining. But when it's cloudy and it's storm and it's raining, they got the umbrella for you.

Yes. How you even got to that point to realize that? Because most of the time, when it's storming and it's thunder, When it's thunder and lightning, most of the time everything goes this way. Because when you laying there and she said, baby, I'm counting your breath. Breathe. Nobody else has ever done that. Come on, man.

This ain't this ain't. This uncle don't your last ride. Right, right. Right. Right. Hey. Yeah, I like that. Listen.

Bill of the kid and Jesse James, we go out one land right. Bam bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Bam, bam, bam. Hey, I like that. I never heard that one before. I never heard that before. I like that. Most of the time, you know, my grandma always say,

find someone that's willing to unpack your baggage because we all got it. We all come with it. Yeah. We all do. The hard part is finding someone's baggage to unpacking. Most of the time, once you unpack it, when things go rough, uh, You know, you pack day sitting, you try on, you keep moving on. You keep moving on. The thing is something else is better.

Yep. That's always been my thing, Ocho. You already thought something else is better? Because that's what made us who we are. Yeah. Even though when I made the Pro Bowl, I thought I could be better. Even when I made all pro, I thought I could be better. Come on, that.

I had a thousand yard season, I thought I could be better. A double-digit touchdown season, I could be better. It was always when you're satisfied as a person you threw as an individual. So I was always trying to see to get better, to get better, to get better. Nah. You're done. You're waving a white flag. I can be, yeah.

Yeah. I can still search for greatness and be content. I like that. So you got to search for that greatness in other areas, other aspects of your life. Yeah, for sure. Hey, that's a good thing. I'm glad you got that piece of the puzzle filled in, man. I like that, man.

I like that. Yeah, yeah. Hey, I like that. know, she don't, she don't know what the old she would like. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? Okay. Okay.

The old shay used to go double overtime. Now she didn't get the first quarter. She didn't get the first quarter on show. Hey, I get the first, hide up, hide up. I put up here quick 10. Yeah. You're done. She ain't know I used to have a, I get a 40-point triple dub.

Ooh. Yeah. Hey, I got, I got one more quick. No. What's that? One more question. This is, this is for me.

This is my therapy session because I like when we get on topics like this, right? Yes. Is there ever a timetable to decide when you know that's the one? Yeah, I think it is, though, Joe. Six months, a year, two years. I don't know if there's a time. I mean, I think you have a feeling,

and you're like, okay, when things go, it's got to go bad. Because when it's going good, when everything is good and you flyin everywhere and you buying everything and by the time you buy this purse and that purse. Yes, sir. You give this and you give that. Yes, sir.

Okay, when it goes bad. Come on, man. It's bad. And I ain't, hey, I ain't been to beat you down now. But we're going to have a conversation. Just so you know, we're going to have a conversation. We're going to talk. Yeah.

Okay. Hey, I didn't, hey, I get, I get frustrated, right? I'm at that point now when things are great oh when it's great is great and I avoid those conversations I avoid those tough conversations because I

what's the word I'm looking for I love my piece I'm not one that I'm not one that really likes chaos now at my big age so therefore when I when I see chaos I kind of go into a shell right and it's so funny

when I'm happy I'm a talker Actually, I talk too goddamn much. And when I shouldn't be talking, I shut down instead of having those tough conversations that I should have. Yeah, I don't like having tough conversations either, Ocho. I don't. I got to work on that, man. Yeah, I do.

Everybody got to, because I don't, I don't want to hurt anybody's feeling. And it's just easy. I don't want to talk about it. You're right. It ain't easy, though, Ocho. Yeah. Damn show not easy. Yeah, but you tell him, what?

It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work, huh? And sometimes I think to myself, sometimes I think to myself, if things are supposed to be this way, why does so much work? Why does so much work? Is it natural?

It is supposed to be this way. I mean, I mean, there's so many unanswered questions, you know? And I don't know. I just... Sometimes, Ocho, you could work, like, and the reason why I equate a lot,

to sports is because I was good at it and I worked at it. And I was like, you know what? If I work at this, I could change this and I can be good at it. You can work for years and your relationship might not even get any better. Because the question is, is you working as hard as you are? That's a good one. Are you working for the same goal? Because sometimes we get into an argument, Ocho, me and you argue.

Yeah. So no, no, no, no. It ain't me and you. It's me and you versus the problem. There's a difference. We argue amongst each other. We go back and forth. But the problem's still there.

How about you and I double team this problem? Right. What caused this? And most of the time the problem is me. Yes. A lot of times the problem is us. A lot of times is the situation where I'm going to get. Just tell me.

if you want something, if you want to do something, I don't like to have to figure it out. Figure it out. Right, right, right, right. What you want to do. Right. Just tell me. Because uncommunicated expectations will ruin a relationship.

Because you have an expectation and you don't communicate what those expectations are. You assume I'm supposed to know. I have expectations. I assume you're supposed to know because you're at an age. You've dated before. Yeah. You've been in relationships before. You've been in long-term.

relationships before, why do I need to walk you step by step? You wasn't a long-term relationship. You just wasn't in it with me. So I need to tell you what I expect from you. You need to tell me what you expect from me. So if we communicate these expectations, we're on a path to going somewhere. But when you don't have, when you have uncommunicated, when you don't tell me what you expect, I don't tell you what to expect. And then I'm swole because you didn't do what I expected you to do. You didn't tell me. And that's one of the worst things with marriages, with relationships, with friendships, is that one word.

That one word, don't? Because we expect certain things. Yes. Once a title comes to anything, with a title comes expectations. Most of the time when it comes to humans, we always fall short. Yes. Human error is inevitable. No matter what aspect of life you're in with those expectations, then it becomes you

trying to become somewhat of a character to meet the role that they won't. And that's hard because you're not even being yourself. You have to change who you are to meet someone else's expectations. How do you change? Because here's that you got to be careful. Because changing who you are, you lose who you are. But that's what expectations are. No, no, I can't be your true set.

It's impossible to be your true self if you're supposed to meet someone else's expectations. That's not even a reason to you. You have to be the version of the way they view you. You have to be. There's perception and there's reality. A person's perception of you is their reality. A person's perception of you, that's their reality.

But that's not always the truth. So now how she perceives you, that is her reality. That could be the farthest thing from who you actually are. And which is normally the case, 98% of the time. Women fall in love with the idea that they have in their head of you, not who you truly are. Of who they think a man should be, what he should do. You should open the door. You should buy candles.

You should buy cars. You should be thoughtful. You should write poetry. That is the perception of what they think. When did I ever give you that impression? That was who I was. This ain't no harlequin novel. This ain't no hallmark movie.

Yeah, this ain't the notebook. Hell no. But I like it though. Damn the notebook. This ain't in the tablet. But you know what I do like? I love becoming a better version of myself for the individual that you see in whatever way they do. Yes.

How do I become that version of me? Or the version of in which you view me as. How do I become the best version for you without losing me? Me. Because. Most of the time, one of the hardest things to do, the two hardest things to do, chat, you've heard me say it before, two of the hardest things to do is to hit a baseball. Yeah. And to keep a woman happy long term.

Yeah. Because in turn and trying to keep a woman happy long term, you have to lose a sense of self. You do. You have to lose a self. How many times the man says, well, you know, hey, what, you know, this is what she wanted. She don't want me to go out with my, Ocho, I got a cut back. She don't want me to drink. I got a cut back.

You don't be over the time about my in-laws? Yes, sir. What do the women say? I would like this when you met me. You ain't have a problem with it. You see, men are willing to change. For the woman that a man loves, he will change. That Joe will cut off his family.

He'll cut off his friends. He'll do whatever to make her happy. It goes back to biblical. Yeah. Samson told Delilah where it's strength lied for a reason. Adam, you know, Adam did what he did for a reason. David did what he did to be she was up for a reason. Just saying.

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