Club Shay Shay - Best of NFL News Part 1: Keon Coleman DRAGGED by Bills Owner, Cowboys HIRE new DC

Episode Date: January 24, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson deliver the Best of NFL as Unc and Ocho react to Buffalo Bills owner Terry Pegula publicly blasting rookie Keon Coleman over his poor play. Late...r, Unc and Ocho go over the latest coaching hires and more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Pegula puns Keon Coleman pick on Doug McDermott, Backs Beane17:43 - Pegula address reason for firing McDermott31:44 - Jeff Hafley hired as Dolphins Head Coach43:52 - Cowboys hire Christian Parker as DC (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:41 So please subscribe or you're going to make Ocho crack. Bill's owner, Terry Picoula, appeared on Sean McDermott as a skate go, appeared to use Sean McDermott as a scapegoat publicly shifted blame while standing firmly behind Brandon Bean, especially defending the controversial decision to draw Kionn. Coleman was selected by Buffalo with the 33rd overall pick in the 24 draft, but has underperformed thus far in his two seasons. Let's take a listen to what Mr. Bagula had to say on Keon Coleman. Yeah, I mean, I interrupt.
Starting point is 00:02:19 I'll address the Keon situation. Uh, the coaching staff pushed to draft Keon. I'm not saying Brandon wouldn't have drafted him, but he wasn't his next choice. That was Brandon being a team player and taking advice of his coaching staff who felt strongly about the player. And, you know, he's taken, for some reason, heat over it and not saying a word about it, but I'm here to tell you the true story. Ocho, before you go, now if you go back and look at the NFL. network cut up. Brandon Bean is saying, I'm glad he ran 457.
Starting point is 00:03:12 That means he'll be there when we select. Now, that's what he said. If it's a lie, he told it. But you see, now there, Vic Carucci, and I know Vic, Vic said there was a meeting about a month ago. Mr. McGula, Brandon Bean, Sean McDermott. He, they asked Sean McDermott.
Starting point is 00:03:32 Now, this is what's being reported. I don't know I weren't there. What's being. reported is that he's Sean McDermott says I don't think we have enough right now to win a championship and in the process of saying that because I'm trying to not since he drafted Josh Allen Brandon Bean has selected two pro bowl players to Dionne Dawkins James Cook Dawson Knox yeah oh James Cook Dawson Knox he selected 50 56 players. That's not a good ratio. No. Ocho,
Starting point is 00:04:18 I don't think I've ever heard an owner. Ever, ever. Joe, ever. You don't, you don't do, you don't, you don't do your young players like that. You don't come out and say some of the things you just said like that. Now, I understand the onus also in being responsible, being on time, knowing your routes,
Starting point is 00:04:41 be not missing meetings whatever it may be whatever reason they had to make you a healthy scratch you can control absolutely but if you were doing your end not only in meetings not only at practice then we wouldn't begin to a part where your owner comes out saying stuff like this because they see you as a valuable asset to that team so when they don't see you as a valuable asset this is the kind of bullshit you got to deal with which rarely happens conversations like that joke like we heard today or what um just played that's the stuff that goes on behind closed doors those are the things that are said behind closed doors you never hear about it the public never gets to hear it i think we saw a small example of it with jerry jones this year obviously with the micha
Starting point is 00:05:26 pars and stuff you saw a little bit of it creep out a little bit actually an owner actually saying how they truly feel but now owners are getting a little not not a little brazen you know and in and letting people know how they feel about certain players. You like that, no, Jojo. I love it, Aunt. I told you that. I told you we need to have more people like Jenny Bus. You need to come on that.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Yeah, you know what? I said it. That's how I felt at the time. I was angry. I was upset. You know what? Is anything I could do about it? Can I take it back?
Starting point is 00:05:57 No, I can't. Mr. Bean, Mr. Begula. That's how you feel about Keon. Okay, Bet. Say less. Either going to keep him or you're not. But I tell you one thing, I tell you one thing, you let him go, you're going to regret it.
Starting point is 00:06:11 Maybe that's the chip he might need. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Maybe that might be the chip he might need, huh? Joe, sometimes it's a wake-up call. Because if I'm hearing that, if I'm hearing that, if I'm Keon and I'm hearing that, I'm like. Come on, man.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Hey, Joe, it's a good thing. They bench, hey, Joe, they bench Bright Young. Last year, right? Well, when he came back from that benching, boy, would he look like this again? You're stepping on stuff. Stepping on it. Come on. on it.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Stop playing. Big boy. Man, listen. Another, a small example, some people might not believe it. Some people might not believe it. They bids,
Starting point is 00:06:45 they bids, too, uh, I, I, I just have a feeling. And a gut, just a gut feeling inside of me.
Starting point is 00:06:51 Hell, he gonna go somewhere else. He'll go ball, lady. And he going, he's going to ball. And the situation might be predicated for him perfectly.
Starting point is 00:07:01 I just think it might happen. Kea R. Coleman, fuck him. Come on. down here in the off seat and holl at your boy yeah hey hey go see go see ohcho y'all you got to get your hands oh man listen I come down no Joe I we hey he didn't know I'm already in his hip pocket he didn't
Starting point is 00:07:19 hey I come down there I'm ready I'm ready I come down there and run some rouse with y'all man you got to get him right ohcho okay let him hey Joe eh that guy he from where he from I'm not sure I'm not sure what Keon from he went to Michigan state so he might be from Michigan somewhere up in Michigan oh Yeah, because he went to Michigan State. He was in Michigan State at first. He's from Lujia, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Yeah. He's from the boot. Okay, okay. Oh, he's from the boot. I mean, he already got that dog getting him. They breed him like that. Yeah. Ocho, you got to teach him how to be a pro, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:07:55 I got him. I got him. I got him. A professional with a pro, two different things now. A professional is your occupation, PRO is how you go about your business. Yeah. Now, that telling that joke, They were laughing on your show.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Remember, you got them coaches from Marshall and H&M? You know, I play a little golf. All I do is play football, go home, play golf. I'm Tiger Wish you could, not Tiger Woods. Okay, that's fine and good. You're telling all them jokes and everybody kick, kick in, get your ass on the field, you better ball out. Right.
Starting point is 00:08:23 Yeah, that's it. That's it. I know a guy that was funny. That joke all the time. Oh, yeah. He was a class clown. With a seventh-round drive, big joke. I had joke for that.
Starting point is 00:08:38 Hey, I could tell you another one that was funny too. And he was entertaining, Joe. Hey, he ain't take the game serious and he didn't follow their NFL rule. He marched by the beat of his own. Who was it? Who was it? Who?
Starting point is 00:08:52 Shit, boy, you're looking at him, what? Huh? Hey, hey, hey, um, but listen, the NFL was my playground and I'm going to play it the way I want to. I don't care what you say. But when it came time, do things right, the things that require you being a pro.
Starting point is 00:09:08 Yes. Being on time, sure enough of meetings, practicing her. Hey, Joe, I ain't this shit. You first one now. Oh, man. Who? Get it. Joe, I lived in the stadium of first two years. In the way, in the way, rule. Man, that's the kind of, hey, Joe, that's the kind of locked in I was.
Starting point is 00:09:25 I was a little bit crazy. I was a little crazy, yo. They called me can't get right, Joe. That's what I was Joe. Hey, hey, hey, real talk. When I was in college, Uncle Joe, Joe, I slept in the gym for real. We had a lounge and it had like,
Starting point is 00:09:37 that's when you had the big flow models, flat screen TV, the big. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, I used to, hey, I had my video game hooked up on that joint. I slept in the lounge, bro, and just go out and shot. It's basically taking naps and just waking up, going out there, you know, working on my game. I was in college, I lived in the gym, bro.
Starting point is 00:09:55 Yeah. Hey, eh, uh, Joe. Keon got a love this game, man. He got to love the game. When you love the game, Joe, eh, uh-oh. When you love the game, Joe, and you pour into that motherfucker, Joe, it gave you all, it all come back to you on Sundays. It all come back to the results show up on Sundays.
Starting point is 00:10:16 I'm talking about what nobody's looking. Joe, you got to pour into your craft, Joe and Uncle. Oh, Joe? When you pour into your craft, not when they tell you you got to go out and train, when you're not even supposed to be doing it, when nobody's watching, when nobody's looking, and you just working on it. And you're honing it.
Starting point is 00:10:33 And you're sharpening it. The results show up on Sundays. And before you even get to Sunday, I want Kea R. Coleman to get to a motherfucker in the off season where he gets into a building, whether it's in Buffalo or whether somebody else, where he gets in a building and he makes everyone else and job easy.
Starting point is 00:10:49 But God damn, who is this? Yeah. Well, who is this? Now everything flips. You're now more valuable to them as opposed to the opposite way. They can't talk shit about you. Because now you're on your shit.
Starting point is 00:11:04 All your eyes are crossed. I mean, all your eyes are dotted and all your T's crossed. Now you got to do and go out there and play football. Got that discipline, bro. You got to have that discipline, bro. I always, I used to ask guys when I would talk to guys, I don't get an opportunity to talk to very many guys now. I say, I want to know one thing.
Starting point is 00:11:22 Do you love the game or do you love what the game can provide? Oh, man. That's all I need to know. Because if you love the game, everything that you think the game can provide, It will and plentiful and abundance. But it's the only thing that you love is what the game could provide. It won't be long. It won't be long.
Starting point is 00:11:45 You get exposed, I don't you get exposed real quick. You forget. You forget what got you there. You forget what got you there. The hard work, dedication, the late dark nights. Because see, once you come into it, once you come into being a professional and you get, you get, You start to make all this money, man. You start to do things that probably you normally wouldn't do.
Starting point is 00:12:09 But as a youngster, we know you're going to make mistakes, but we got to try to minimize those mistakes. But you got to have a love and passion to naturally want to get better, bro. That's the only way you're going to improve. If I got to always tell you or Keon, if I always got to tell, hey, man, come on, man, let's go work out. Let's go. If I got to always do that, shh.
Starting point is 00:12:28 We're going to go so far, brother. You got to be there. I can't want it for you. Nobody. I can't want it more than you do. No. I can't. It'll never work.
Starting point is 00:12:37 It had never worked. And listen, Unk, I didn't, I didn't send a DM to all the young ones, now. I didn't send a DM to all the young. You, what young are you laughing? Kian, already talked to him. Xavier Layett, already talked to him. Roma Dunzee. Man, Luther Burden.
Starting point is 00:12:53 Uncle, I'm talking about, I didn't went through all 32 teams here. Everybody's in year two and three. Man, come on, man. Yeah, I'm going to come out there. Come on, man. Give me some of them ladder drills, which I'll. Man, let's, man. Let's work, man.
Starting point is 00:13:06 Let's politic. Let's talk. How do we get you going back to your team completely different? Completely different where you're now more valuable to them. God damn. You mean we, hey, hey, what do you mean? We don't have to put him in motion? No.
Starting point is 00:13:25 We don't have to get distance split. I mean, just all around your game can evolve so fast in just, though, just two, three months. That's all I need. Yeah. Two, three months. How you see in the game different? Hey, hey, there's got to be, you know, you got to look at maybe who the people are you hanging around too, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:13:45 You never know, bro. You know, it could be deeper than just a game, bro. Just keeping it 100. You know what I mean? That's why I take my hat off to the greats. Because if you look at anybody that's been great, Tom Brady paid the game like he was still that six-round draft pick and he was broke. Peyton Manning was the number one draft pick.
Starting point is 00:14:04 Holly saw that after him. But he played the game like he was. was broke. Jordan played the game like he was broke. Kobe LeBron. All these guys played the game like they were broke. They put the time in year after year in order to be great. Some people are born great. Some people have greatness thrust upon them. It does not matter. It only matters what you do with that greatness, Theodore Roosevelt. Some people are boring great. Some people have greatness thrust upon them. What are you going to do, Ocho? They're going to be all right.
Starting point is 00:14:46 They say, Ocho, your famous quote says if Santa is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result. I did the same thing over and over hoping for the same result to be successful. That's why I trained the way I trained. That's the way I ate the way I ate. That's why I did what I did
Starting point is 00:15:00 because I wanted the same result. All pro, pro bowl, Super Bowes. Why deviate? Mm-hmm. I'm not saying, be you. Because at the end of the day, I'm me. Mike every one time, he's like 84.
Starting point is 00:15:19 Why you, why you not call him like TD? Because I ain't TD. I ain't TD. This me. Yeah. The greatest compliment that I probably was, that I got from my teammates and a lot of the coaches, they said 84 when you was gone, we were miserable.
Starting point is 00:15:37 Mm. All of a sudden it became a job. It wasn't fun anymore. Because I can't, and you heard John said, So you kept the locker room, you got them going. I kept some bulljib going. That was me. But when they need a training camp or practice,
Starting point is 00:15:54 Koo would come to me or Koov would send BP with my position coach. The boss wants you to get them going. Okay, now I got to start banging on the joke. I'm going to strike the ban up. Doon, do, do, do. Oh, I'm going, I'm bang on everything, Joe. Strike the ban up. You, you, oh, y'all about to get it today.
Starting point is 00:16:13 No, no, no, no. Oh, no. The man say, hey, we need that. Yeah. Keon, you can do both. You can still be you, but you can only be you if you, you own the field. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:27 All that dancing, all that dancing and all, hey. All this, all that, all that. All that, do that in the end zone. Hey. What that dance that we do with a toe? I don't know what it calls, Chad.
Starting point is 00:16:47 I don't know what to call. You gotta be the hardest worker. Yeah, you gotta be the hard of- that in the end zone. Yeah. All right, we gonna, we gonna, we gonna, I'm gonna get him right, I'm gonna get him right, Joe. I'm looking for a reason to put them in a strap my goddamn.
Starting point is 00:17:03 Yeah, keep you in some shape, Ron. That's what I be taught by him, man. You know, you know I got my wide receiver workshop now. Where? In the off season. Well, well, all the, all the fellas came out last year. In, Miami. Man, what?
Starting point is 00:17:16 Man, hey, I'm talking about at my old high school, Judy, Chase, T. Higgins, Jordan Reed, Cortland, Sutton, man, all them, J.S.N. was here. Like, all the, dog, they, they, well, they, they, hey, Joe, I ain't expect them, I didn't expect all them boys to shop like that. Because, you know, it was short notice. And I'd be scared to bother people, because, you know, I look at them like, oh my God, like a little kid,
Starting point is 00:17:40 like I never played in the NFL. So if I was, if I was an ass personally and they tell me no, Joe, I swear for God. My right hand of God, man. Rest the right on my mama, rest of the piece of my mama. Like I can't take here and know from those that I look up to now that I'm not playing the game the more. I don't, the way they view me and how they look at that they say, man, shit, we look at
Starting point is 00:18:03 you. No, you don't understand. Like I can be humble and be a fan of y'all. No, when they showed up Joe, Joe, I try to, I try to thank them boy for showing up. Joe, I started crying a bitch. Oh, man. Yeah, Joe, I told me, Joe, but it felt good. It felt good because I was, I was scared
Starting point is 00:18:23 to reach out to him because these are the big boys. These are the boys making 30, 40 men a year. I think they're gonna come work out with me. And they, and they looked at me and said, man, it's you. You damn right, when you're coming. Hey, you ain't know how much weight you care, bro. Nah, not.
Starting point is 00:18:38 I mean, you know, I don't look at it like that, Joe. I don't look at it like, but the boy had me feeling good. So now I'm seeing all the issues with all the young dudes this year, I'm like, nah, I'm a fix that. You got to keep him on track, man. You got to keep them, keep them receivers on track, bro. Damn. Yeah, I'm going to come get some of that, though. If this doesn't wake him up, because I, like I said, I've never heard an owner talk about it.
Starting point is 00:18:59 Now, if he wasn't on the team, I can see it. This man still currently on your roster. And you're talking reckless like this. He's saying Brandon, branded, that wasn't, that wasn't Brandon choice. I'm not saying Brandon wouldn't selected him. Right. Yeah. Every Lenovo is built to let them go.
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Starting point is 00:21:36 Listen to Sacred Lessons with Mike Delo Rocha on America's number one podcast network, IHeart. Follow Sacred Lessons with Mike Delocha and start listening on the free IHeart Radio app today. Going back to the bills, Mr. Pagula also addressed what boiled down in regards to firing Sean McDermott. Here's his reasoning, guys. Again, I go back to 523-226, great roster, good coaching, no Super Bowl appearance. And I can't emphasize if I can put you all in that room at that moment after the game.
Starting point is 00:22:19 It's like, how do we overcome this? You know, it's been one year after another. And that was the sense of how do we overcome this. And I just couldn't see us doing that with Sean. That's why I relieved him. It's not an easy decision, trust me, with that success. But what is success? Is success being in the playoffs?
Starting point is 00:22:49 seven years in a row with no Super Bowl appearance. Yeah. Standards. Hey, listen, hey, young, so he believes bringing someone else in, changing everything up,
Starting point is 00:23:07 the coaches, the players, the continuity that Josh Allen had with that offense, the defensive guys, the continuity they have with the defense of coordinator, they think the chances are better, scrapping everything off,
Starting point is 00:23:18 bringing in new coaches, bringing a new regime, having the offensive players, having to learn an entirely new offense and thinking things are going to change because you fire Mr. McDermott. Yeah. Like make it make sense. You start back over from scratch,
Starting point is 00:23:34 which you already do, but at least the same system and the continuity and the familiarity and knowing it makes it a little easier once you get into season and once you get in the flow. Now you start back over from scratch. Yeah. And you think things are going to be different,
Starting point is 00:23:50 because you didn't go over to get over the hump. Okay. Ocho, when we were talking. You were going to learn real quick. You remember when we was talking in October? I said, Ocho, at some point in time, the owner is going to believe that Sean McDermott is taking this team as far as he can take it. He said we had hit the playoff proverbial wall.
Starting point is 00:24:12 Yeah, that's what he said. Right. Now, he put an awful lot of blame on Sean McDermott. Now, Josh Allen turned the ball over four times. They turned the ball over five times as a team. four of them in Josh's hands. Yeah. I hear you say nothing about that.
Starting point is 00:24:26 Somebody got to take the play. You know, hey, hold on. You know, he's not going to throw his quarterback under the bus on. The quarterback is too valuable. Well, he threw the, he threw the, he threw the ball under the bus. The quarterback means two. I can, I tell you one, I'll tell you one thing. If he had said, if he had did Josh,
Starting point is 00:24:39 now he could do that. Josh is going to go. Got. Thank you. Josh was out of there. Thank you. Yeah. But here's my thing.
Starting point is 00:24:48 Oh, they know who to play with. What are you going to say, Ocho? No, I was just saying they know who to play with. know who to play with. Help me understand this, Ocho. He put all this blame on the coach. He said, uh, uh, uh, the coaches wanted Keon Coleman. So what role did Brandon Bean play in building this roster? He only drafted. Did Brandon Bean draft, uh, Josh Allen? So he drafted two pro bowl players since he's been there. And he think there's a great
Starting point is 00:25:16 roster. Really? Hold on. How much, hold on. How long, how, Mr. Bean been there, uh? Hold on, Ash is looking it up right away. Because I want to know when the Dion Dawkins get there. He didn't draft Doc. I don't think he drafted Doc either. Okay. So he drafted his first draft with Josh Allen. The second draft with Josh Allen, okay.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Did he draft Doc? Because he's drafted two Pro Bowl players since Josh Allen. Obviously, we know Josh Allen's been to the Pro Bowl and he's been an MVP. Right. Okay. So I don't think this. is immensely talented. I don't.
Starting point is 00:26:06 I don't. They got no pro bowl. They got no pro boy players on defense. Hmm. Hmm. I think Josh, Josh Allen was the, Josh Allen was the pro bowl of this year, right?
Starting point is 00:26:19 He's an alternate. He was an alternate. I'm asking. So I'm thinking it is Drake May, Justin Herbert. And was it Trevor Lawrence or Josh Allen, the MVP, the pro bowl quarterbacks for the AFC?
Starting point is 00:26:33 Okay, Josh Allen, so basically, and Dionne Dawkins made the Pro Bowl 2, didn't he? So they got no players on defense and they got two players on offense, the left tackle and the quarterback. Is it? James Cook. James Cook. James Cook, yeah. Oh, okay. So three.
Starting point is 00:26:57 You ain't got no players on defense. Yeah. The Bronco got a left tackle, a right guard, and a, uh, and a, uh, and a, uh, uh, a wide receiver. They got Pastor Tan, they got Nick Benito, and they got Zach Allen. So they got six pro bono.
Starting point is 00:27:16 Okay, let's go to who else is New England. Greg May, Gonzalez. You ain't got no pro bono? And, now look, I ain't going to get on no soapbox for Sean McDermott. Your expertise is defense.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Your defense has been trashed in the postseason. They've been trashed, you don't you? They give up over 30 points a game. Yeah. I don't, you're not winning very many games, Ocho, in the playoffs, you give up 30 points. The playoffs is different than the regular season.
Starting point is 00:27:48 You could give up 30 a couple times in the regular season and win a game. You start giving up 30 in the postseason, your ass going home. Yeah. Hey, you know what? We already knew, we knew, Joe and aunt. We knew the goddamn bills didn't have much on offense. We think the moniker came from with Josh Allen happened to be Superman. You got to pull the cape out.
Starting point is 00:28:07 He got to pull a cape out, Joe, because they don't have much. Josh Allen is one of the money. of the few quarterbacks that could probably go on any team and elevate everybody else because what he's able to do. Josh Allen has to elevate everyone else that's around him and he has to do more with less and that's what he's been able to do. And we then coach and Mr. Bean up there talking about we have our, what's the word, per review?
Starting point is 00:28:28 What's that? That's a big word for me. What you, what? Play off what? Oh, perverbial. Perverbial wall. Perverbual. Hey, I like that.
Starting point is 00:28:36 I like, hey, they hit the proverbial, Joe. Hey, Joe, they hit their proverbial. Meaning that it's not an actual wall, but that's what's this day. That's as far as they can go obviously. That's as far they can go. So they hit their playoff. And the straw that broke the proverbial camels back. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:28:55 Hey, that's a new word. Yeah, for sure. But I'm just saying is the owner, you understand that. You understand. You know he needs more help. You know he needs more help offensively. And obviously you want you, you want who, you know you want to be the ex-fever. You would love Keon Coleman.
Starting point is 00:29:10 as high as he went as far as being drafted. He's supposed to be the ex-factor. He's supposed to be that high to say, you know what? You don't need to bring nobody else in here. I got this. I'm going to take some of the pressure off James Cook. I'm going to take some of the pressure off Josh Allen.
Starting point is 00:29:26 I'm going to take some of the pressure off of the officer coordinators because you know why? Bitch y'all can count on me. Just put the ball in the area. Just put it. That's what they thought, Ocho. Yeah, that's what they thought. But I'm going to make sure,
Starting point is 00:29:38 I'm going to make sure when I get a whole love, and he get back, it's going to be just like that. Shit, but they got me hot. Wait, they got me hot. Talk about that man like that. Probably. Remember, Kiann Kohn Kohn, they got rid of Stefan Diggs last year, remember? So he was supposed to come in.
Starting point is 00:29:57 And take up, bingo, da-da. And Diggs balling. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, he's over there cutting up. And, you know, when they had, I mean, look, Josh and Diggs was a super duper connection. And look, they're looking at it like, okay, prior to Saturday, Josh hadn't turned the ball over
Starting point is 00:30:19 in six games, oh Joe? That's crazy. He was on the roll. He was on the roll, huh? And that's always been his Achille Hill, Joe, in the past. In the past, in his earlier days, you know, the first two, three, four years, his problem in the ball over, turning the ball over because of his goddamn arm talent, crazy arm talent. You know what?
Starting point is 00:30:39 I think I can squeeze that in here. I'm gonna throw this rope. I'm gonna throw it anyway. I'm gonna let it go. He would like Brett Fawd there. The bad day to be trash. Oh, he let me. Bad day to be trash, yon.
Starting point is 00:30:51 Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, those five interceptions had more to do it with it than Sean McDermott. Now, Sean, like I said, and when we were talking about this, Ocho, you say, oh, it may have been to the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:31:03 I said, oh, at some point time, man, they go, the owner's going to think the man is gone as far. He keeps hitting his head on the ceiling this as far as he can go. Yeah. I mean, just knowing how owners think, Ocho, I said, yeah, this is not going to end well. This is not going to end well. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:19 You can't keep going, going to the playoff. And he's like two C, five C, six seed. Yes. But Josh brought you back last week against the Jacksonville. He has to play. The thing is, it's hard to continuously win when your quarterback has to be great every single game or you cannot win. Right. There have been some games that Tom.
Starting point is 00:31:42 didn't play great, but they run you out of the building. Or the defense would get turnovers and stuff like that. But when Todd needed to be great, he was always great when he needed to. He could play like dog, dog poop. Let him need to drive to get in field goal range or touchdown the beach. To win the game. He going to get there. Every, every time.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Like John Witherspoon said it Friday, that's your ass, Mr. Postman. Tom, Tom was coming. Joe. But I don't like this. I don't like putting all this on Sean McDermott. I do me. I do think it was time for a different voice in there. But Brandon B, I'm just trying to figure out.
Starting point is 00:32:21 Normally when they clean the house, they clean everybody. The house stinks, but all y'all did was clean the living room. What about the bathroom? What about the fish that you all left in there for three days? Oh, I got a question. Once McDermott gets fired, doesn't all the hit staph- Yeah, absolutely. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Starting point is 00:32:38 Well, that's clean the house. No, I'm talking about general. manager. Oh, yeah, yeah. In power clean, okay. You want everybody going out?
Starting point is 00:32:48 How are you going to keep the hair and throw out the hide? The hair got to go with the hide. Everything got to go. That's a good one. Man, please. But I don't, I don't like this.
Starting point is 00:33:01 This is not, I don't, I don't think this was very, very professional of Mr. Begoula to take this opportunity to try to dump on Sean McDermott, to try to dump on Keon, Coleman.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Well, he got to take the pressure off. He got to take the pressure off him, huh? Joe, that's the game they play, Joe. That's the game they play. How do I take the pressure off of me? I point the finger at everybody else, even though I'm the one in position of power, making the cost.
Starting point is 00:33:28 So technically, I'm just as responsible as Mrs. McDermott. Because everything got to go through you anyway. Absolutely. You get a green light to everything. So what part do you play in this? Mr. Baguolo. And I told you, Ocho, remember, they got this new stadium coming. Don't they move in that new stadium next year?
Starting point is 00:33:49 Damn, they finished the new race? Yes, yes. Yes, they got to do it. I told you. Well, they, is, is it, is it closed now? I don't know. I mean, I, I wouldn't put no, I wouldn't put no dome in Buffalo. Cause I, that's, to my advantage.
Starting point is 00:34:09 Right. man hell it's this well it ain't it ain't too much advantage shit they didn't been home every goddamn but
Starting point is 00:34:23 but a lot of times look they haven't they haven't and a lot of this I'm sure Mr. Bagulu was looking like hold on the proverbial walls
Starting point is 00:34:35 have been removed from Mahomes Lamar got especially now Lamar has never beaten Josh in the post season but my homes and uh Joe Burrow has so two of the thorns that's been in my side have
Starting point is 00:34:50 been removed and we still can't get there yeah yeah this is a this was they this was their year and this might be why I meant the being and put me Pagula are upset I can understand it because hell no Lamar you ain't got to deal with him got you got to deal with Joe you ain't got to deal with you know brother Mahomes well hell the aFC is clear for us I think the only issue is the only problem I would have thought he backstab the Patriots oh Joe how how you losing just as much as Sean McDermott he gets fired you get a job promotion yeah you know that eight that's oh that's the game they play I'm like hello how I lose my job he get elevated mm hmm so oh the coach the coach watered so what about
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Starting point is 00:36:34 To kick off the new year, I sat down with Dr. Steve Polter, a psychologist with over 30 years' experience, helping men unpack shame, anxiety, and emotional pain they were never taught the name. In a powerful two-part conversation, we discuss why men. aren't emotionally bulletproof, why shame hides in plain sight, and how real strength comes from listening to yourself and to others. Guys who are toxic, they're immature, or they've got something they just haven't resolved. Once that gets resolved, then there comes empathy, as in compassion. If you want this to be the year, you stop powering through pain and start understanding
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Starting point is 00:37:41 and the patterns we inherit, but don't have to repeat. Here, we slow down, we listen, we learn how vulnerability becomes strength and how healing happens in community, not in isolation. If you're ready to let go of what no longer serves you and step into the year with clarity, compassion, and purpose, sacred lessons is your companion on your healing journey. Listen to Sacred Lessons with Mike Delo Rocha on America's number one podcast network, IHeart. Follow sacred lessons with Mike DeLaurocha and start listening on the free IHeart radio app today. Miami Dolphins have a new head coach, Cho, the Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator,
Starting point is 00:38:27 Jeff Hathley, as the next head coach. Dolphins signed Hapley to a five-year contract. He joins new general manager John Eric Sullivan, whom the Dolphins hired to replace longtime GM Chris Greer this month. Sullivan and Hapley overlap for the past two seasons together in Green Bay. The Dolphins have not wanted to play.
Starting point is 00:38:46 playoff game in 25 season. The longest such drought in the NFL, the Miami Dolphins last won at playoff game, December 30th, 2000 against the Indianapolis coach. Halfley was a senior at Siena. Before his two years at the D.C. in Green Bay, Happily was head coach at Boston College, where he went 22 and 26 in four seasons.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Happley is the eighth straight head coach hired by the Dolphins who had no previous NFL head head coaching experience. The last, Dolphin's head coach with previous head coaching experience was Dave Wanstatt in 2000. Hey, I remember Dave, huh?
Starting point is 00:39:26 I remember Dave? He was the DC head Dallas or no championship team for the long year. Hey, but listen, Mr. Happley, boy, he got his work cut off for him, huh? He got his work cut off him.
Starting point is 00:39:37 For one, you have no head coaching experience. Now, you do have experience in general being around the atmosphere and being in coaching general. You call plays on the defensive side and I'm sure that's what he told Mr. Ross that I'm going to call plays on the defensive side. Go ahead, though.
Starting point is 00:39:52 But let's call him playing plays on the defensive side is not the problem. What you're going to do on the offense? Who's going to be the quarterback? Who's going to be a leader at the helm? That's the issue right now. You look at the goddamn AFCs. You got Drake May playing all world out his mind.
Starting point is 00:40:09 You got Josh Allen. He's not going to where no time soon. Now, the Jets is probably a team you don't have to worry about as of right now. Because, hell, they ain't got no goddamn quarterback either. Nope. So at some point, somebody pulling up the real, who is going to be? Is either going to be the Dolphins or it's going to be the Jans? Until we find a quarterback, both of us are purgatory.
Starting point is 00:40:31 Yeah, that pulling up the rear, let's just say somebody going to be coming in the last place. That's pulling up the real, huh? Are you sure? Well, if you're pulling up the rear, that means you're in the back. Am I saying something wrong? Or you don't like the way of sound? Yeah, yeah, that just sounds. you know. Oh, my bad. My bad. My bad. Okay. My bad. Okay. My bad. My bad. But that, but you're right.
Starting point is 00:41:03 If you don't have a quarterback, I don't give a damn what division you're in. You ain't competing, don't you? You're not? You're not. He got two years, um. You hear me? or happily yeah man he got two years boy maybe maybe not even that you know he signed the five year deal
Starting point is 00:41:27 didn't they just sign McDaniel to an extension exactly that's why I said what that mean he just signed a five year deal what that mean well these owners want
Starting point is 00:41:38 instant gratification they want instant success because the same way they run their businesses when they want their businesses to work and they want to see they want to see return on investment really fast they just pour my money into it.
Starting point is 00:41:50 That's not the way the game of football works. You can't pour money. Well, actually, you can pour money into it, but there's a thing called a salary cap which doesn't allow you to do like the Dodgers do. You can't be like the goddamn Los Angeles Dodgers. Yeah. And if you could, who, the top teams,
Starting point is 00:42:05 they'll win every goddamn year. I don't know. You like Malik Willis to the Dolphins? You like to the... Now we're talking. Now we're talking some business. We're making some sense. See, I had to get up out my seat, man.
Starting point is 00:42:25 Malik Willis to the Dolphins. I saw enough. I saw enough of him when Jordan Love went down with the goddamn Packers. Now, the problem is, you have to understand the supporting cast that was around him as well now. Right. Now, he doesn't have that same support. There is no Watson. Now, we got a Jalen Waddle.
Starting point is 00:42:44 Got Waddle. You know, we got Washington. You know, I'm assuming Darren Waller will be back. But, God, then, he was. He was loaded with receivers over there. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have Malik Willis or Kyle of Murray? Oh, hold on.
Starting point is 00:43:01 Let me let me go to my thoughts. Okay. Hey, you know what? That's a good one right there. That's a good one. Now you got me stumped right there. Matter of fact, I'm a revert to the goddamn chat. Chat, even if you're not a Dolphin fan, who would you like better as a quarterback?
Starting point is 00:43:27 We saw a small sample side of Malik Willis, obviously in Tennessee. That doesn't count. But you saw what he did when Joe Love got hurt with the Packers. He looked goddamn phenomenal. We seen Kyle Murray. We know what Kyle Murray can do. We seen a bigger sample size of him, even though things didn't work out in Arizona. Now, the dolphins, we are in dire need of someone at the quarterback position.
Starting point is 00:43:49 Yes. It's no disrespect to Quinn Euras or Tua. But I'm just saying. I think Tua is gone. I think you need to start thinking about someone else other than Tua. Right. Because the reports are that the quarterback did not have to be married to Tua, which means there's a,
Starting point is 00:44:08 also you don't bench a quarterback the last three games would they anticipate. Now, look, this is a different coaching staff. Right. So they might come in and have a different philosophy or a different thought process on Tua. That could be the case. I don't think so. I don't even.
Starting point is 00:44:21 I don't think so. A new coach, a new, a new team. I'm just trying to look at it from. Yeah. I know, I understand you're trying to be great. You're trying to be gracious, but when a new coach of staff comes in, they're going to want, they're going to want a fresh start. They're going to want their guy. Yeah, they're going to want their guy.
Starting point is 00:44:37 Hey, somebody making fun of what I'm wearing. Y'all's so rude. Why y'all being so mean to me? Like, I got feelings. Yeah. I'm wearing a sporting Lisbon, for those who, you know, watch soccer, sporting Lisbon jacket, and I got some cheetah pants I bought off Shine. And you know, you shop on Shine, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, you. I don't.
Starting point is 00:44:58 No? No. No, I don't. You like my pants? I thought. I mean, I like them on you. I would, I mean, that's not me. I couldn't work something like that.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Oh, okay. They were $20 on sheen or shine. I don't even know how to pronounce it. I don't know if they could give them. They couldn't get them to me, but. No. No. You know it's 40 degrees in Miami, right?
Starting point is 00:45:19 I believe it. I don't know what the hell was going on today. I didn't have this on all day. It's cold as hell outside. Yeah. Shut. No, you know, it is, it is shine. S-H-E-I-N.
Starting point is 00:45:34 It's like, it's like an affordable site. Like, like, not forever 21. What's the one for men? T-M-U. No, not T-M-U-U-O-N-E-U-U-U-U-U-N. The other one, like they have a man's line and a woman's line. Damn. H-U-N-N?
Starting point is 00:45:52 No, no, you know, I know. Rawls, Marshals? No, they own, fashion-over. Fashion-over, yeah. Fashion-over, yeah. So I think, Sean. is like in that realm of like you can good good pieces if you know how to dress if you know how to dress it's not about buying expensive stuff and just knowing how to put stuff together to make it look
Starting point is 00:46:09 like it costs money yeah but i mean me i mean i uh you want me get your petties no mm-mm no 57 year old should be in no leopard print unless you mcgagger unc you umk you stylish man you're i'm mac jagger you're a mac jagger It's the only one that should be wearing leopard print. Nah, a print. Print is a part of print in fashion in general. Not for me. It's an expression of yourself.
Starting point is 00:46:39 I choose to express myself in other ways. Okay. I got you. I don't got no problem with a man or a young man or wearing leopard print to each his own. That's just not for me. Yeah, I look good at it, though. You know, I can kind of get a way.
Starting point is 00:46:57 Maybe a jacket. Maybe a jacket. Could I wear a jacket? Yeah, I wouldn't let me bring a jacket. I ain't wearing no pants. I got you. My bad. My bad.
Starting point is 00:47:05 I mean, I just... Oh, now they calling me ashy, man. Damn. What would I have on lotion in the house? Who wears lotion in the house? I ain't got nobody in the press. No. But that's the new thing, man.
Starting point is 00:47:20 I mean, look, I didn't know... I didn't know... I didn't know that so many... men watch what other men wear. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it'd be on that heavy. I'm like, well, damn. Yeah, it'd be on that heavy.
Starting point is 00:47:34 If I was trying to impress you, you would have a legitimate case, but I buy clothes for me. Right, same. I bought what I like. Yeah. Yeah. And you really have to be a wolf, aren't really not to care what nobody else think when most of everybody else is, you know, they sheep. Did you see my picture I tweeted today?
Starting point is 00:47:55 Yeah, with the kids. With the kids asleep. Yes. Yes. I like that. I like that picture in the back, boy. Oh, my, uh, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:03 I had an ex that, that brought me that for my birthday. Boy, that, that was nice, boy. That's one of the nicest birthday gift I've ever received from anybody. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And that ain't, they ain't, they ain't got nothing to do with money either. No. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:48:18 That was, I had no, I had no idea. I'm like, what the hell is this, man? When I saw that, yeah. I bet you was, I bet you was crying. I almost teared up. Yeah, that's, that's a good gift there, boy. Because that's what we had buried my grandma in that pink hat and everything. So, man, it was, yeah, my boys were asleep.
Starting point is 00:48:40 When I come home, Mocho, that's it. Except Thanos. He was running. He'd be all over the place? Yeah. But that was two weeks ago, like last week when I came home. And then, man, who took that picture? That must have been Michelle.
Starting point is 00:48:58 That must have been, like, damn. Everybody else take a picture. everybody take a picture and don't nobody get asked when Jay Z and Beyonce take a picture ain't nobody else who took that picture
Starting point is 00:49:08 home to take a picture and who took that picture I'm like what damn you know they'd be wanting to know man you know they'd be wanting to know they want to know you know
Starting point is 00:49:17 hey it might have been cookie for all y'all know who was cookie huh don't worry about it oh from the old stories yeah it was
Starting point is 00:49:28 it was not cookie you found him no I haven't seen cookie in 30 years You might want to be, hey, I don't. You know, and you want to preheat that oven, huh? You know what happened when you put a cookie in the oven and you preheat it, huh? I don't eat cookies.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Cookie or cookies. God damn. I just want to make sure I want to throw that out there because you, hey, I know that you didn't say nothing about no cookie singular. Right. You said cookies, but you might eat cookie. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know where you're going. I know you. No, I want to do that.
Starting point is 00:50:02 Yeah, you will. You're real slick with your mind. I wouldn't even think it like that, huh? Yeah, you was. I wasn't thinking like that. You were. I promise you I would. No, I got to stay.
Starting point is 00:50:12 I got to stay on mine because I already know. You always on some bulljad. You always. Run that back one more time. Run that back one more time. What you say now? No. Nope.
Starting point is 00:50:31 The Dallas Cowboys are hiring Philadelphia Eagle's secondary coaching and passing game coordinator, Christian Parker as their new defensive coordinator. It's a bit of meteoric rise for Parker, 34, who spent the past two season under Vic Fangio staff in Philly and only coached in the NFL since 2019. Parker's secondary has been the strength of the Eagles, top five scoring defense both years there.
Starting point is 00:50:54 Philly ranked first in passing yards allowed in 2024 while giving up 22 touchdowns through the air, the six fewest in the NFL. This past season, finished eighth in passing yards allowed, and first in passing touchdown surrenders with 14. That's a stark difference from Dallas, which was the worst defense in league in passing yards allowed, giving up a whopping 35 touchdowns, 31st in 2025.
Starting point is 00:51:18 The Dallas also finished 32nd and 30th in points and yards allowed, respectively, which led to the firing of defensive coordinator Matt Iberfluse after one season. Ocho, would you like this higher? I mean, the higher doesn't matter, huh? The higher doesn't matter. I mean, you could bring Jesus out there to be the defense accordion of the Dallas Cowboys. You're still going to get what you got. You have to understand what coach is coming from, Aunt.
Starting point is 00:51:42 Coach is coming from the Philadelphia Eagles. Yes. Their strength and their identity is on the defensive end. Well, hell, you got Cooper de Jean, you got Keon Mitchell. You got, hello? Blanketship. That blanket ship. Zach Braun.
Starting point is 00:51:55 You got their front floor? Nicole Dean. Hey, the second level, you got Bond? I mean, there's a reason why the defense looked like it did. There's a reason why coaches get jobs to go other places when they've been at places where the goddamn talent level is somewhat damn there. I agree.
Starting point is 00:52:11 And that's what it is. Now for coach, you know, Mr. Parker going over to goddamn Dallas, now is where coaching comes into play. Yep. If you ain't got the quality or the skill players at those positions, you're still going to get exposed. So what you had to work with in Philly, you don't have to work with in goddamn Dallas.
Starting point is 00:52:30 That's going to be the problem that you're going to run into. So it doesn't matter who you bring in the coach if you don't have the quality of players to be able to run the scheme or the system that you want to incorporate. I'm just being honest. You're being very honest. And I think that's the thing is that
Starting point is 00:52:48 I can't, off the top of my head, I don't know if there's a player on Dallas's defense that I would take over somebody on the Eagles defense, especially not the secondary. Nobody. Definitely not the linebackers. I'm not, even Quentin Mitchell, I wouldn't take him over Jordan Davis. I wouldn't.
Starting point is 00:53:07 And I know he's been an all pro and I know he's going to the pro bowl. But right now, as I sit here and we have this conversation on you, I wouldn't. We know Jalen Carter has talent out the yin-yang. Oh, yeah. I just need him to play hard all the time. I don't think, I mean, I need Vic Fangio to get in this air and have a conversation with him. Hopefully he called him and said, son, if you're not in defensive player of the year discussion, you failed. We failed you and you failed us.
Starting point is 00:53:32 You have that kind of ability. Vic Fangio has been around some of the great talents, defensive players in the league. I remember having a conversation with Wade Phillips. Wade was the de-coordinator in Houston. And I was asking him about JJ Watt. And he says, Shannon, they keep talking about he's a bus. He's going to be a bus.
Starting point is 00:53:50 He's going to have a bust in Canton with you. I swear, I swear, Ocho, that's what he told me. He said, Shannon, he's going to have a bust in Canton with you. Before the guy even played a doubt, He says, if you watch this guy in practice, now, I think he would know he coached Reggie White, he coached Ricky Jackson, he coached Vaughn Miller, he coached a lot of great, uh, uh, uh, what's the guy, he won a defensive player of the year at Buffalo. Bryce Pop. Yeah. Bruce Smith. All the, Bryce Pop was a defensive player of the year.
Starting point is 00:54:28 Bruce Smith was a defensive player year. Reggie White was a defensive player at the year. Ricky Jack's in the Hall of Fame. Von Miller, we know. He coached. He said, this guy is good as I've ever coached. And I'm talking about Reggie. He coached Reggie.
Starting point is 00:54:42 He coached Ricky Jack. He coached Bruce Smith. He said, this kid is as good as I've seen. Yeah. So it matters. I don't care nothing about no scheme and all this. You can get exotic as you want to. Give me them horses.
Starting point is 00:55:02 Yeah. You need them, huh? You need them. You need the horses. I'm glad Mr. Christian Parker got the D.C. job. It's good to see you continue to elevate in your career and try to climb that ladder, that coaching ladder. It was very difficult to climb, especially going to Dallas to be able to do it.
Starting point is 00:55:21 The problem that you're going to face is if you don't, you don't have the same quality of players that you have the ego secondary. You don't. You don't. You don't have quinion. You don't have Cooper. You don't have blanket ship. No.
Starting point is 00:55:31 Ain't nobody in your secondary is comparable to those three guys. Now, obviously, you're going to coordinate the defense. And when you throw Vaughn and Nicole Dean in there and you look at, they got Jalen Phillips, they got Jordan Davis, they got Carter. Yeah. Y'all don't have the equivalent of that in Dallas. No. Mm-mm.
Starting point is 00:55:48 And it doesn't matter what you do offensive because we've seen that. Dak has been playing out of his mind. Mine, yeah. But if he has a slow start or an off game, you guys aren't stopping anything. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Now, what we can say, is we do have the draft coming up.
Starting point is 00:56:06 We do have off-season acquisitions. I'm sure Dallas is going to have to go out of the season. They don't like to spend the money in the off-season. They don't like to get back. Oh, Cho, you know how you just go back to school? Yeah. You don't got everything been picked on, everybody done tried them jeans on and the shirts on.
Starting point is 00:56:22 Right, right, right. And you're like, damn. Oh, it's just, we're going to mark it off another $5 because they got a little marked because everybody had their ass in these jeans. Yeah. Now you heard what you just said? Yeah. You said Dallas doesn't like to do certain things.
Starting point is 00:56:33 They don't like to do certain things as far as in the offseason. When the last time Dallas has been to the playoffs in the Super Bowl? Forget the playoffs. They've been to the playoffs recently. When the last time they've been to the Super Bowl? 95. 95 Super Bowl, January of 96. Okay.
Starting point is 00:56:48 You make your hay. You make your hay in offseason acquisitions and getting players that can help you improve year to year. How do I get better? What areas do I need to improve in? You get those veteran players. veteran presence, because the chances of getting somebody in the draft, they're going to come in right now and make a tremendous impact
Starting point is 00:57:07 and change the trajectory of your offense or your defense is not likely. Man, give up those two first-round picks and go get Max Crosby and stop playing. Come on, now. Talk to me. Talk nice to me. Go get those two first-round draft picks and go get Max Crosby. Because you're not going to get anybody in the draft better than Max Crosby. And he's probably the only guy that can be had as far as a left. You're not getting Miles Garrett, you're not getting Hutchinson, you're not getting, you're not getting DeNeal Hunter,
Starting point is 00:57:35 you're not getting Will Anderson, Jr. You're not getting any of those guys. You're not getting Benito. You're not getting vers. You're not getting any of these top-tier rushers. So I don't, forgive me that. Hold on, hold on. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:57:49 I got a question. I got a question, man. Yeah. You said a whole lot of names, you know, of some good impact players that can make a change. have a tremendous impact over there in Dallas. What you think about, oh, 95 down there in Cleveland coming on down there to the big star? They're not trading him.
Starting point is 00:58:10 Hey, listen, I'm just asking you. I'm trying to see what you're headed that. Hold on. This guy about to be a two-time defensive player in the year. I'll tell you what, they're going to have to give up three first-round draft picks and probably a couple of players. Hey, but let me tell you something. He was there with a-old. He didn't even 30.
Starting point is 00:58:26 Hold on. He was with Cleveland last year, right? Yes. How many wins they had last year with him? Not a lot. Okay, well, they could have not a lot without him. Guess what? He's the only reason you go with.
Starting point is 00:58:38 You know they're going to lose, but I'm going to see how many sacks he's going to get. Okay, I got you. I got you. You know what I'm saying? You got to have something, Ocho. Yeah. And look, he's made it abundantly clear. He's happy there.
Starting point is 00:58:49 He said, as long as, hey, I want to win. And as long as I believe that they're going in trending in the right direction, I'm happy. I'll be here. Don't fall for that. Come on, you know, you know. I'm just saying what he's saying. Okay, that's what he said.
Starting point is 00:59:03 But anytime you put a camera and a mic in front of a player's face and it's going to get out there, everything is PC. It's PC. You know that. Honestly, Ocho, I don't think he wants to leave. I think he likes Cleveland. I think he wants to, I think he wants to, whatever success that Cleveland has, he wants to be a part of it.
Starting point is 00:59:22 He doesn't want to look, he don't look at himself like a mercenary. See, like Vaughn was willing like the Broncos, David Vaughn to the Rams and what did they do? They put them inside AD and Lennon Ford and now you got hell on your hands. And you see the second half, Joe had that outstanding first half and you watch the second half and you watch the mofos take the game over. You watch AD Whip, everybody has. Well, I tell you what, I'll tell you what.
Starting point is 00:59:47 If you say Miles Garrett had no chance or opportunity to go to the Dallas Cowboys because the Cleveland Browns would never even think the thought of trading him is a no-no because that's the only thing you do have. What about T.J. Watt, leaving the stealing and going to put that stone. DJ might be a possibility. Trey Hendrickson, you got Trey Hendrickson. You wouldn't have to give up any compensation for him. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:08 I like the upside of having T.J. Watt. I like the upside of having T.J. Watt. Now, he's been Nick the last couple of years. His production tends to go down towards the tail end of the season. But that first half, he's phenomenal. Yeah. He's a defensive player of the year. He's a pro-bow player.
Starting point is 01:00:29 He's been an all-pro. He had tied the NFL record of 22 and a half sacks until Miles Gagg broke it of 23. So yeah. I like it. But that's a big salary you got to play now. Hello, we need to do something. You got to pay for your product now. You ain't getting nothing for free.
Starting point is 01:00:49 I know one thing. If you do pay that big salary, every owner when it comes to business, also when it comes the players. If we put money into you, we want to return on that investment. And that's the type of player. If you're paying a big money, the chances are 98.9% you don't get a return on an investment when you invest in elite talent like that. I agree. I agree, Ocho. But they got to do something. They got to do something because it doesn't do any good. You got a 4,000-yard passer, 2, 1,000-yard receivers and 1,000-yard rush, and your ass missed the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:25 We know why. Because you had a Super Bowl offense and a Bud Bowl defense. Yeah. Hey, could you imagine, I got a question for you. Could you imagine the Dallas Cowboys, hypothetically speaking, chat? Yes. I'll say with me. The Dallas Cowboys offense with the Seahawks defense, with the Broncos defense.
Starting point is 01:01:47 Dark, that one ain't going to be. Man. You're not, it's, Ocho, do you understand how hard it is to have that? Man. Because normally you invest on one side of the other. You says, okay, this is how we're going to make our hay. Now, it's possible if you draft really, really well. Really well.
Starting point is 01:02:05 Yes. You look at the Broncos one year. Okay, they drafted Demarius Thomas. They drafted Eric Decker. They drafted Julius Thomas. They drafted No Sean Marino. They drafted, I think Clayty was there. And then they drafted Von Miller.
Starting point is 01:02:23 they drafted Robey. They draft Chris Harris, Jr. was undrafted. They drafted those two backers, Danny Treveith and then Brandon Marshall. They drafted Derek Wood. They drafted Malik Jackson. So now you sprinkle in Akiv.
Starting point is 01:02:39 Now you sprinkle in T.J. Ward. Yeah. Like, okay. Okay, now we got something. Yeah. You know, it's all about knowing how a bill a team. You do?
Starting point is 01:02:52 A, having the right team, having the right eyes, having the right scouts. Yes. And Jeffrey Lurie and Harry Roseman have done a phenomenal job at that. I'm not sure why this is a copycat league. It's a copycat NFL when it comes to offenses and the defenses, things that you see other things that you see work for other people. Most of the time, teams copy it, whether it be offense or defense.
Starting point is 01:03:14 I'm not sure why owners and coaches and GMs and scouts don't copy. Because I'm trying to do it my way, Ocho. That's your way. Yeah. But their way's work. working. That's the point I'm trying to pay. I'd rather fail my way than succeed somebody else's.
Starting point is 01:03:28 Hey. Hey. Look at Houston, Texans. Look how they drafted. You get Will Landisor. You get Stingley, Lasseter, Petrie, 2O2O. I think that's how you say his name. T-O-O-T-O-L.
Starting point is 01:03:43 You get him. Now, you traded for Alger. Will Landerson, Jr. Now, you get Dinell Hunter in free agency. Yeah. Okay, you get CJ, you get Nico, you get Tankdale, Woody Marks with a low round draft pick. I think you go back into the draft, you get an offensive lineman, but that's what you got, you got to have it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:07 It's hard, I mean, to have one offense, one defense. I think the Patriots, I'm not the Patriots, the Chargers had the number one offense and the number one defense and missed the playoffs. How that happened? But the Cowboys look, the Cowboys have a formula. Jerry believes he has a formula. He wants everybody to take a discount. because you're playing in Dallas and it should be an honor to play in Dallas. It should be an honor.
Starting point is 01:04:33 He don't really pay his coach his top dollar because it's an honor for you to coach the cowboys. So something's got to give. Now, he keeps on talking that he'll sit down and retire once he has the most Super Bowl, bro. You got three, the Patriots got six. And the Steelers and the Roonies, they got six. You got a ways to go. You're not close. You missed the playoffs.
Starting point is 01:04:58 I don't even know why you're talking Super Bowls. You shouldn't say super or bowl. As a matter of fact, you put another piece, say supper. We're about eating and go to bed. But, look, I agree with everything you just said. I'm glad for the meteoric rise that Parker had. But at the end of the day, I don't care who the trainer is. Bob Bafferick's great.
Starting point is 01:05:28 He ain't winning the Kentucky Derby with donkeys. Without the horse. God damn it's a good analogy, boy. And I know, and I know Bob very well. That's a good analogy. You're not. That's a good one. That's a good analogy.
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