Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL NEWS PART 1: Kerby Joseph CALLS OUT Bears + Leonard Williams on Seahawks expectations

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are back on Nightcap breaking down the hottest NFL headlines! Lions DB Kerby Joseph joins the show and calls out the Chicago Bears saying he wants ALL the SMOKE with former OC Ben Johnson! Plus, Seattle Seahawks DE Leonard Williams joins to talk about the upcoming season. 0:00 - Kerby Joseph joins the show21:10 - Leonard Williams joins the show41:27 - Kenny Pickett traded to the Raiders (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Remember, nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're going to make Ocho crack. that we got a very special guest joining us right now we got all pro all pro safety from the detroit lions led to league in interception last year here he is ladies and gentlemen kirby joseph kj what to do what's up y'all man i just want to thank y'all for having me on here what's the curbs hey well you got money yeah i see that i see that i'm thinking the same thing i'm thinking the same thing i think of the same thing hey i ain't never hey i ain't never seen nothing like that, boy, what you're going to know, I'm in that, I'm in that thing.

You know, that color of the sun. That would look like, I don't know. But from where I'm sitting, you know, I'm sitting, you know, many, many miles away, but that would it look like. Yeah, man, I'm in the galaxy, right now. Hey, they look like you in space, boy. Yeah, yeah. Hey, how you doing?

How was your off season coming in because, look, the last couple of years, you get to the NFC championship game, you lose to the divisional. So how is your off-season And how do you lose the last two seasons This off-season to get you right Where you need to be coming into this season? To be honest, I felt like that last season made me even hungry, you know?

Just getting the taste of like that I can do it Then I'm going to like achieve it all. That's just how I am as a person. You know what I'm saying? I'm never going to stop at nine. Like, you know, I said, I got nine interception. I'm not going to stop at nine. I'm always going to try to P.R.

You know, because I feel like if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. Hey, how was camp this year? How's the body holding up? Obviously, are you going into, are you, uncle always has the saying, if you, if you limp into the season, you're going to limp out the season. How's your body holding up, how do cam go, and how you feeling going? Man, honestly, everything went great, man.

I feel like we had a great camp. I just feel like, I know now, like, you know, this is like year four for me. So it's like a lot of stuff I don't seem before. So like that, that saying, that's saying like, oh, the more years you play, like, the more experience you'll get. Like, that's, like, that's the truth, you know. Clicious. Look, last year, you guys, man, you got up to this great start.

You played pretty well all year, but these injuries started to mount. You lose a D-Liamer, you lose a D-tackle, you lose a D-tackle, you lose a linebacker, you lose a backup, you just kept you losing player after player. And A.G. did a great job. And Coach Campbell, your head coach did a great job of keeping this team standing. Like, no matter who we lose, guys, hey, this is why we have 53-man. officers, hey, guys come in, you do your job. That's all I need you to do is your job.

It had to be fussed. You're like, well, damn, bro, I mean, at some point in time, we got to run out of defensive players. We can't lose anybody else. Yeah, last year, that was, I never seen nothing like that in football. I never seen, I never seen that before that. It was, I wouldn't say it was frustrating, but it was kind of heartbreaking just seeing my brothers, you know what I'm saying, like, get injured and stuff,

because nobody wants to get injured in this game. You know what I said. But we love playing this game. And, you know, that's what we signed up for. You know, injuries are going to happen. But, like, how did that happen? Yeah. That was crazy.

Yeah. I never seen that before. But I felt like, I felt like, man, we just knew what we had to do. You know, I mean, you know, guys go down. You know what I'm saying? And if it's something like that, that happens, man. I feel like I don't pride myself on, like, just have. And, like, I wouldn't say I, but I feel like us as a team, we don't, we don't, how should I say, we don't believe in like ones and twos.

You know what I'm saying? It's like the next question got to go away. Everybody goes to start us. I tell the group all the time, like, even everybody always says it's going to take all of us to win. You know what I'm saying? So like, as a team, that's just what you got to do. You know what I'm saying? When your brother down, man, you got to step up to play.

How different. Go ahead, Ocho. Hey. Now, I'm going to say, obviously, with eight. A.G. being gone, I'm one of the one. I've always come to bat for you guys, regards to who the person is calling defensive plays, with A.G. now being with the Jets, but the same players are still there. So regardless of who's calling the plays, from your, from your perspective and your point, are you still allowed the freedom to be able to do

what you want to do at the safety position, being that you're as good as you are, being able to have a little freedom to do what you want? Are you allowed to. Yeah, I feel like, I wouldn't say now. I always had a little freedom, especially when A.G. was they're just, you know, I'm saying, learning it as I go, you know, I feel like, yeah, the same players are here, you know what I'm saying, you know, AJ, I'm missing, you know what I'm saying, but, you know, he had to go do what he had to do at the Jets, you know what I'm saying, I'm wishing them good luck and all, but I feel like, I don't feel like the level of plays going to decline at all, you know, if anything, I feel like it'll increase a lot more,

you know what I'm saying, because now I feel like, it's just, you know, it's a new coaching style change. You know what I'm saying? Everybody has to go through that coaching staff change and that building relationships and the adversity you have to go through throughout the season. You know what I'm saying? So I just feel like it's a new turning point, you know, new chapter. Right. The thing for me, when I'm thinking, I think about safety play, you wanted a better see, probably, I actually be best safety in the NFL, you know, along with Kyle Hamilton. And to be able to get the amount of picks you get, there's a certain amount of freedom that you have to have, that it can't be scheme. It can't be scripted. It's not

exited nose. It's just you being able to have free will to make decisions based on your eye discipline and what you see. So I know you have a new coaching staff. And most of the time you get coaches that come in and they have, I don't want to, I think maybe not ego for the most part, but I want you to do things my way and my way only. So I would, I would just curious if even with the new coaching staff, are you still allowed to have free will outside of the X into those to be able to play Yeah, for sure. I feel like, like, one thing I notice about, like,

a lot of, a lot of my teammates on the team is that, man, like, we're football players. You know, I feel like the team does a great job allowing us to be football players, because, you know, football is not just what you see on paper. It's not going to be like that in the game. So you got to understand stuff happened. So you got to, you know, you got to play football, though.

You just got to play football out. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I like that you say that because this is something that I always struggle with. somebody obviously when i was playing you go in they put they put uh the scheme the taxes this is we running they do the exit nose it's a straight line and he cuts right i'm like dude that's not how it happens in real time you got people moving pushing and tugging so it's kind of different out

there on the field and most of the time i would always tell my officer coordinator give me a little freedom to do what i do but i'm going to stay within the timing of the offense and the same thing on defense it's all about reading reacting in a certain amount of time but i'm going to to do everything I can the way you draw it up but you got to give me some freedom we don't have me out there playing like a goddamn robot yeah but go ahead i can't i can't play football like robot that it's just not in me bro i got to right right no my my question is is that you got somebody in your division that you face twice a year that was your officer coordinator for a long period of time and you know he's drawing up plays to beat the defense and training camp you guys

trying to scheme plays to stop the offensive training camp. So how fun, how different, how difficult do you think it would be to face Ben Johnson? We know he's one of the best offensive minds in football, and he happens to be in your division. You played them twice a year, and they've loaded up. They went and got drafted the receiver in the second round. They drafted the tight end in the first round. They shored up their offensive line.

They're seemingly in the preseason, and I don't want to put too much on the preseason, Kirby. But it seems to be they're flying around defensively. but, you know, their bread is butted on the offense. They got a first-round draft pick. They got DJ Moore. They got Roman Dunez. I think they got a, was it Burton?

I think they took Burton in the second round on Missouri. They got Loveland and Cole Komet. So they're a really good team. But, you know, you're familiar with him and he's familiar with you guys. Hey, I like that. You said that because, like, you know, Ben had to go do what he had to do. Just like, AG did. You know, I'm happy for him, you know what I'm saying, the opportunity.

Yeah, they got some guys over there You know what I'm saying But Ben know what's up with me Like you said, he knows what's up with me, bro He knows what's so with me, bro. So I'm never going back down Or away from competition Because honestly, I feel like

That he knows the players And he knows kind of the scheme we run and stuff I feel like it's more of a challenge, you know So I feel like it's always a way to get better And I feel like that's a big test right there Yeah, you know what I would tell me this, Dan Campbell because when he first got a job,

that man talking about kneecaps and he was going to do all this. So what's he really, when the cameras are not there and it's just you guys at practice and you guys are in the meeting room for you. What's Dan Campbell like? Honestly, man,

I feel like, I feel like Dan Campbell, that's just a great coach, you know? I feel like he's more of a player's coach just because he understands, like, what, you know, what we put our body through and what we go through throughout- He was a former player. Yeah, he was a former player. So we kind of understand how everything be. I feel like he does a great job of, like, taking care of us.

And he shows that he's passionate, you know, about a lot of things we do. Like, the reason why he's telling us these things he's telling us is because he wants us to win. Not only him to win, but he wants us to win. You know what I'm saying? Like your people are I'm saying, it's not just him or the team. It's us because we're doing this as a group. We're a team, you know what I'm saying?

We reach and one and go together. So I feel like he does a great job, but just teaching us that, you know what I'm saying? And a lot of the drills we do are a lot of the practices or the meeting, the team meetings and stuff like that, man. I just felt like, man, every time that man get up and go up on that podium or whatever he's talking about, I'm already going right now. I'm already right now. I'm ready right now. So I just, man, I love Coach Campbell, man. He does, you know what I'm saying, everything.

I like it. Hey, what's your nutrition like? You know, you're one of those healthy eaters, you know, eat green stuff all the time. Like, are you, are you living with that? You know what I'm saying? I'm going to try to eat good. Like that. But if it's good, like, if I ain't got, you know, I'm not going to go over the extent

and just starve myself or not eating food. I'm going to eat my food. Right. See, I like it. See, so that really is my next question. I don't report. Okay, okay, okay, that's cool. Listen, I want to provide my services, you know, I'm a meal prep.

so I can provide you with meals Monday through Sunday I only charge $20 a week. No. Yeah, yeah, I'm a meal. Listen, I'm trying to make sure you get the greatest output every Sunday or Thursday night

or Monday nights whenever y'all might play and you are my first client. So I'm not taking no-for-answer. I'm not taking no-for-answer. I'm telling you, so I'm going to let the world know, listen, I'm your nutritionist from now on. And I thank you for giving me the opportunity. Okay, bet.

It's all good, bro. I'm going to check you out, though. I'll check you out, man. Yeah. Yeah, I got a new job. I got a new job, huh? You guys traded Tim Patrick, Jameson Williams, going into his like third. Jameson, do you think he's ready to take that next step?

Because we've seen him. So the flashes, we know what Armand Ra, we know what he's going to do, but now Jameson. And at first he was just that guy that. try to get deep. But now you can just put the ball, you can hand it to him, and he can go hit his head on the goalpost. You can throw him a smoke screen,

jail break screen, and he can go get to the end zone. So what do you think, what can we expect to see from Jameson this year? Man, honestly, I'm so proud of Jimmo, man. Jimo is one of the guys that you, you know, you see out there, and he just continues to get back.

You know what I'm saying? And I feel like this year, I feel like they ain't seen this Jimmo yet. Man, they didn't see new demo yet. And so I ain't, you know what I said? I ain't put it all out though, but the demo this year, for sure. He ready to rock.

Yeah. Hey. Hey, what Brian Branch at, man? Man, BB. Man, I don't know right now. He probably some of them, but man, that's none of the guys on another guy on the team that continues to just work hard, bro.

Like, bro, his, his back is tools or whatever he was to play safety? Yeah, hey, he's nice. He's nice. Listen, I talked about him. I talked about him all last year. Matter of fact, it got to the point where it was almost weird. I tweeted about him and you so much to the point where it was like I was stalking.

But listen, I appreciate secondary play, DB play so much, even though I'm receiver. I was giving y'all, y'all boys credit week in and week out just the way y'all play the game and with y'all approach to the game. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I've always been a huge fan, especially, man, you, you and, and God damn, Brian Branch, man, him being able to go to safety, then sometime having to go to court. I'm like, man, what the hell?

Like a, damn this Swiss Army knife. He's doing everything. Man, he's super talented. I feel like one thing he does the most is, like, his instinct's crazy. His instinct is crazy. Him at nickel and him at safety is, is kind of, the nickels kind of

apart, but when they move them back to safety, you know what I said? With Lazoot, man, like, the plays he made, I just, you know what I'm saying? I'm still wishing I made them, I just put it like that. Are you a talker? I mean, when you're on the field, are you talking to the opposing team? Is your defense talkers

or you guys just go play football? To be honest, I felt like everybody got their own little situation going on. Yeah, that's it. Good. Me personally, I feel like, I feel like I don't too much, say nothing, but somebody pissed me on, bro, you're going to hear me, bro. Like, I'm, and once I'm going at you, bro, I'm never going to stop. Yeah. Is there a player? Is there a player that you really don't like that y'all always go at it to give you a better example. Perspective, Mike Evans and Marshawn

Latimore. Do you have anybody like that that you go at it with in the NFL or not? I got a couple. A couple, yeah, I don't know. A couple of them to be going for none of that. Right. Is it personal or it's like really serious? Like, I don't really, I don't see you like that. Like, I really see you like that.

There's only one like that. Who that, who that? I want to know. I want to know. I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I'll take that. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Hey, because once they find out, they're going to be trying to separate you. Yeah.

Okay, okay, I got you. Because once he's fired out, he's going to try to get you before you get him. Yeah, yeah. Now, he knows who I am. So, okay. Obviously, your head coach, and you mentioned a lot of the players from the defense and the offense are still there. Although you lost both with your coordinators, the expectations are still high. You guys won 15 games last year, the year before that, you went to the NFC championship game.

Ah, bro, it's time. I mean, you know, you only don't. You only get so many bite of the apple curb before the apple's gone. That y'all be taking big, y'all be taking big bites. Hey, we ain't going to stop. Hey, we ain't going to stop until we get there, though. Like, but I don't never see myself, especially, like, stopping.

I feel like a lot of the things we went through, I feel like it was to get us to this moment right now. I feel like we got a lot of guys healthy. We got guys back, you know what I'm saying? I feel like, especially the guys that were on the team last year, they kind of understand that we gave it, even more than we did the first year, but that still wasn't enough. You know what I'm saying?

So you got to still keep going, because now it's just any minute, my new thing going on with the game, that could be the change at the top of the game, you know what I'm saying? So just working on the situations and stuff like that. And then just, we got many plays, you know what I'm saying? I feel like, I feel like a lot of the things that happen on the field, like playmaking, I feel like it's not only the coaches getting on us, but it's ourself, because we keep ourselves accountable. A lot of good things.

You know what I'm? Yeah, yeah, because it's like, I'd be hard on myself when I don't get an exception for the game, you know, because I feel like I leave my team down. You know what I'm saying? And maybe I might feel the same way if he didn't get enough sacks. You know what I'm saying? It's just stuff like that, like, you know what I'm saying?

Let's help each other and keep each other, like, on points. Week 16, you got, you face a very familiar opponent. You were in the same division with this guy, Aaron Rogers. He's with the Steelers now. You've had a lot of success against Rogers. You're looking forward to that match up? Yeah Yeah

Hey That's my favorite quarterback though No You expect him to Throw you a couple Huh Yeah

Yeah yeah Well yeah That ain't gonna stop Yeah That ain't gonna stop But hey He cool though He cool

For sure I'm trying to see I'm trying to see If he's gonna sign One of them I was about to ask you The same thing I said

You try to get What the ball Sign? Yeah What are there Rogers Yeah I'm trying to get one

The ball I'm trying to I'm trying to I leave one of them I got about I'm just trying to just get a sign. I'm just trying to get a son, man. I'm just trying to get a sign.

Y'all play the Steelers week 16. You know. Hey, y'all, y'all don't play the games, huh? I think we got them on a schedule this year. Yeah, I think that my first time going against is Joe Barrow. You got, do you circle games? Do you look at the calendar? You look at the schedule, like, okay.

All right, yeah, yeah, yeah, this might, yeah, okay, I like this. I like this one. Do you circle games, week five, y'all play the Bengals week five. Oh, for real? I'm going to the game. What are they playing? No, we play in Detroit. Are they playing?

Okay, okay. I see you week five. I'm coming out there. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I don't feel like I got, like, a whole bunch of games by a dude, you having, like, revenge games. I have, like, a revenge game.

Or, like, somebody I ain't played, like, the Bengals. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, like, that's one of my games out of circle, because, you know, I never played them before. I always like to play different teams and see different people to see different plays, you know? Yeah, and, you know, they got one of the better offenses, you know, the quarterback, you mentioned Joe, they got T,

they got a Chase, the Triple Crown winner. They're supposed to be really, really good on that side of the football. So you guys are really going to have your work cut out for you. Yeah, and I see my, I see a couple of my daughters. I was out there, Chis Brown, and PJ, stay out of the head. Yeah, so them a dog. I'm trying to, you know, Jersey Swab, see all them boys. You know, I say, it's always good to see you, you know,

I'm saying your teammates from way in the back and way in the past and stuff. Well, Kirby, man, best of luck. Stay healthy. Thanks for giving us a few moments of your time tonight, man. Wishing the Lions, the best of luck. And you guys win that division and get to the Super Bowl, man. Come back and join us and have a conversation with us again. For sure, man.

For sure, man. Oh, go ahead. Hey, no, I'm saying my meal prep. I'm going to send you the directions on how to take the food, the amounts. You know, it's three meals a day. Three meals a day. So I'm going to send everything to you. I'm going to send it to your DM.

And then I'm going to mail all the food until you start next week. Hey, say, he for real? Are he playing? Yeah, yeah. I got you. He's not for real. Hey, listen, I'm, I promise you. No, listen, I'm, you my first.

client. I'm an NFL nutritionist. I'm going to make sure people stop getting hurt. Not only if people are going to stop getting hurt, they're going to be able to put out the best output because of my meal plan and my meal prep. So boom, this is what it is. It's what I do. Luke, I got like 300 jobs. And meal prep ain't one of them. Hey, come on, I'm support black business. I don't support black business. Look, look, when we, you know what I'm saying? We get off the call, you know, I'm saying, just hit me. You know what I said?

We could do that, though. I got you. I got you, twin. I got you. I do want to thank y'all for having me out here. I want to thank God also just for giving me the opportunity to come out here every day, play football, you know what I'm saying? Just to get back. So, appreciate y'all for having me.

Appreciate you for joining them, man. Appreciate that, man. Take care. Stay healthy, man. We'll talk to you down the road. Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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Oh, my. So that was my other big Colts takeaway. They sold that? Yes. Might want to go back to the Dr. At the Colts Stadium. Yeah, I might want to go back to the drawing board on that. Yeah.

I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well, smart for generations. We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year, and let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry.

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Y'all be good. Oh, here's our second guest joining us. Two-time Pro Bowl player. In his first full season at the Seattle, Seahawks. Here you're his big Leonard William. Liddell, what's going on, man? Sir, how are you guys doing? Can y'all hear me?

We can hear you just fine. Can you hear us? Yeah. Yes, sir. I'm on my wife's computer, so I'm trying to figure out how to change the name on it right now. Oh, you mean to tell me, you're not Haley. Yo, Doug, what's up, what?

What's that, Haley? No, no, that didn't meet that. You know, LW was good, boy? I'm good. How you doing? Man, listen, man, life is good, man. One foot in front of the other, man. I got my head high so I can see where I'm going.

But before we start, before we get into football, I just want to know you got a nutritionist. I do have a nutritionist on the team that I use, and then I also have. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we're not using him or her no more. We're not using her no more. Listen, I'm a meal prep.

I'm the NFL nutritionist. I've been appointed by this. the NFL for all the players, you know, so I'm going to see you information, and I'm going to be your meal, I'm going to meal prep you meals for the next 17 weeks and for the playoffs. And you, my second client, so I got, is you and Kirby Joseph, and then I'm, I'm in $20 a week. $20 a week, that's all, that's all I charge. And so I'll be making sure to be prepared, eat before every game. I'm going to tell all the rookies about this.

I appreciate that. You get traded, you go to Seattle. And it seems like in Seattle you found a home. I mean, look, it's not that you didn't play bad, but it seems like you found a home in Seattle. Can you tell us what's the biggest difference between Seattle and New York? And I'm not talking about geographically, but I'm saying in the defenses, was it something the way the coaches, the way you received the information,

was it the way they gave the information, is the defensive scheme? What was different about the defense? Man, honestly, I agree with you. I feel like I found a home out here in Seattle. I feel like there's a combination of things that made it feel a difference. So the fan base was one of the big differences. Just like the way they embrace me, the way they show up on game day, the way they support our team and stuff like that.

And then also just in terms of schematics and coaches, I feel like having AD who came from the Cowboys and then Coach Mike McDonald, I feel like they just kind of created this scheme where they allow me to like play with freedom and they allow me to be like a playmaker and use my athleticism. And they they celebrate me for, you know, just being in the backfield. And sometimes like if I see a play outside of the scheme, they allow me to like sometimes swim a block. Yeah, exactly, go make a play where, you know, a lot of times throughout my career, I feel like I've was almost too coachable. at times where, you know, I was taken away from my playmaking ability where I was, like, trying to play a block the way the coaches wanted me to and stuff like that.

So there's a lot of combination of stuff. It's so funny. You just said that. We just talked to Kirby Joseph. And the one thing I asked him, obviously, they have a new defensive coordinator, right? And I said, do you still have the freedom to have free will outside of the scheme that your coach has? Will they still allow you to do that?

And he said, yes. And the fact that you started everything out about your coaches allowing you to have the freedom to be able to make plays based on your football knowledge and what your eyes see instead of what it says on paper. It's really, really important, especially for players like yourself, to be able to reach their maximum potential out there on Sundays. And that's really, that's really, really dope to hear. Yeah, I agree. I think it's important. I mean, for me, it just made me feel like it brought like the excitement of football back for me a little bit too, which made. me like once I started having fun

I'm like y'all played before so you know how it is like when you're out there having fun and you're able to play free and you know have free will and be celebrated for it it's like the best out of you comes out and I feel like that's how it is here I'm asking you this when you're at the Giants and then you get traded he's like damn has anybody ever been traded from the Giants to the Jazz or Jazz to the Giants

I mean because it is so different I mean the Jets fans and The Giants fans, they're so different. The city reacts so different to each team. Yeah, I mean, like you said, even though we played in the same stadium, the fan base felt different. The culture felt very different. The Jets were kind of further out in Jersey.

It felt like we were like a New Jersey team, kind of. And then the Giants being so close to the city made me feel like I was the actual New York team. But it was very interesting. I mean, luckily, I didn't have to move during that trade. I was still able to stay in my house. But it was definitely weird when, like, that same week I got traded, I ended up playing in the stadium. And, like, instead of going into one parking lot,

I went to a different parking lot. And instead of walking down in that hall to go to one locker room, I just went to a different locker room. So it was very strange. It was interesting. Yeah, how is the body holding up, man? You're going into camp. I mean, actually, camp now ending for week one.

How's the body holding up? I mean, amazing, honestly. I mean, I have a coaching staff, our strength staff here at Seattle is the same strength staff I had at USC. Okay. Yeah, it's really cool. So they got to see me develop as like a young player. So they know it works for Leonard Williams.

Yeah, exactly. And we all talk about how it looks like I'm like, and it feels like I'm in the best shape of my life, honestly. I mean, that's saying something. I mean, for a guy your size to be able to move and be as agile, I mean, because we saw what did they say you're the largest guy to ever get what do you have a 90 yard return a return you're the heaviest guy in the NFL history to return an interception that far for a touchdown correct yeah that's correct so so how did that so let me so take us

through that take us through that play what what was what were you supposed to drop in coverage or did you see something you see his eyes they're just like let I've been to make this play yeah that's one of uh Mike McDonald's uh genius players right there actually where it was designed for the detackers to drop out and I actually got a pick and practice earlier in camp that year. So when that play was dialed up, like every time it's dialed up,

I'm thinking a play is coming my way. And it just happened like, it happened so fast, man. Like people were asking me like, oh, like what were you thinking when it happened? And I was telling everybody, it felt like it was like an outer body experience, actually. Like, I felt like I was almost watching myself

from like an aerial view of the happening. You snagged it. I mean, it wasn't like you did. I'm talking about, no, bro, you, I mean, like, you played tight in at some point in time. You caught the ball. You played on the other side of the ball. You had to.

That was not a defensive tackle. Come from a tight end, that means a lot, man. God, you picked that. But, yeah, I play, I played tight in high school, but it wasn't, like, much. It was, like, just every once in a while. I went to a big high school, so we didn't have to play both sides that much. But I'm an athlete, though, you know. Hey, hey, are you, are you from L.A.?

Yeah, I was born in, uh, California, but I went to high school and Daytona Beach, Florida. So I was kind of back and forth in California, Florida, most of my upbringing. Okay. You got a different quarterback this year. Gino, Lees.

He goes to the Las Vegas Raiders. Income Sam Donald, who did an excellent job last year. But you play with Sam and with the Jets. So you're very familiar with him. What are the expectation? What do you guys, you guys had a nice little end to the season last year.

I mean, so what's the expectations this year for Seattle? I mean, I think the expectation is, you know, as a defense, we want to be the best on the field. We have high expectations for our offense this year, but like we compete with each other, even within the defensive room. And so I said the defense line wants to be the best group on the defense. The DBs want to be the best group on the defense and so on. but I'm definitely excited about the way our offense is looking right now. We've got a new coordinator, and we're running the ball great so far. It's only been preseason, but it just looks like a new team with the way we're running the ball.

And then, like you said, I play with Sam Darnold on the Jets. And then I also play with him at USC for like one year. Damn, you can't get away from him, huh? Yeah, I know. He keeps following. But like just seeing what he did last year, I mean, You know, he even played against us really well when we played them last year against the Vikings. And just seeing the way he's matured, you know, he's bounced around, played on a few teams, played in a few different systems.

And I think he's finally found his groove and matured into a good player. Most definitely. I mean, I'm excited for you guys, too, especially from an offensive perspective, seeing what Sam Donald was able to do in Minnesota last year, obviously with Justin Jefferson and Addison and Hoggerson, but then also now you got JSCN, you got Cooper Cup over there. Kenneth Walker, obviously taking some of the pressure on him from allowing him to be able to flourish. I think y'all going to be fine.

Y'all, y'all going to be fine. So I'm excited for y'all. Who y'all got week one? We got the Niners. Divisional match. Divisional match. Division of rivalry, week one, baby. Yeah, y'all, y'all got.

Yeah, I'm excited. Niners, they hurt. They don't know who they're going to throw the ball to. Yeah, y'all. Let me ask you, when you, when you, when you, what's your mindset? What's your thought process? Because, you know, do you move up and down? the line because, you know, oh, the great, like a lot of the defensive players that, you know,

the Reggie Weiss, the Bruce Smith, the Aaron Dollars, those guys, the Johnny Randall's Warren Sapp, they moved up and down the line and they're trying to turn the handle to the door and see which one opens the quickest, which one opened the easiest. And that's where I'm going to stay. So I might be, hey, I might have to be a line up in a seven. I might have to line up in a five. I might get a three. I might get, hey, I might get the nose.

Whatever. I'm just trying to find the weakest link because that's how it is on the Serengetti. The old and the week get taken advantage of. That's what I'm looking to do. I mean, you said it perfectly. I mean, I never heard it describe with the opening the door thing. That's like, I'm going to take that back into the D-Line room and spread that. But, yeah, I mean, I think that's something that makes me a unique player since coming out of college.

I could play from the zero all the way out to like six, nine technique on the edge. Like, and it showed up last year. I was getting, you know, sacks at end. I was getting sacks at three technique. I prefer three. You like to play the under tackle, huh? Yeah, I like to play that shade. He liked that shade.

Yeah. It's just less space, less stuff to look at. Sometimes when I'm out there at the end, it's like they'll try to put a receiver out there. Make it look at your tall crack you. Yeah, yeah. It's all that tricky stuff out there on the edge. Sometimes when I'm on the three technique,

I'm just, it's gold. It's good. I'm getting on my man right now as quick as possible. But in certain situations I plan against the Niners, it's a little less about finding the fish, what we call it. Oh, yeah, hey, you got a landing. Hey, we got a fish over here. Yeah, yeah, we got the fish.

But against playing, like the Niners, instead of finding the fish, they actually like to line me up on Trent because they say their offenses kind of ran around him sometimes. So it's like their run game and a lot of stuff like that tends to run towards Trent Williams. So they like to put me on him to kind of like help shut down the run a little bit. So it works hand in hand like that. What's it like, let me ask you, what's it like to get traded mid-season?

I mean, so they called you, so were you home, when you got the news that you were traded, were you home, were you at practice? So where were you when you got the news that you were going to get traded? I was in the building. Damn. It was on, yeah, it was on a Monday. So I came in just doing my normal routine. I was definitely hearing, like, conversations about, like, possible trade, you know,

with my agent and just the way the season was going for the Giants. We were losing. We were pretty much already out of the playoffs. And then the GM called me into his office, so I kind of already expected what was coming. And the way he presented it to me was making it seem like I had like two teams to choose from that were like both trying to trade for me for around the same offer pretty much. And at the time, like the Seahawks were like number one in the division. I knew of Pete Carroll a little bit. And I just thought it was the best fit for me. It was obviously a struggle like coming all the way to the West Coast. specific northwest. Yeah, that's a long way. That's a law. That's a long. Yeah, it was long. And then I'm living in a hotel for like two weeks before I get situated in like a house

and stuff like that. So it's a lot. But, you know, I'll even play good for those eight weeks that I was here. And I remember my wife and like coach and teammates even asking me, like, you know, how were you able to play good even in the middle of like moving and transition in your life and stuff like that? And for me, I told my wife and other people, that, like, there was so much going on, like, out of my control

that it made me, like... Focus on what I could control. Exactly. I was fully dialed in on what I could control. So it's just, like, the way I showed up for work every day, the way I played and stuff like that, just, like, went to another level because I was, like, oh, like, I put so much more emphasis

and focus on, like, what I could control. Right. What are your goals is this upcoming season? From an individual standpoint, obviously, you know, team goals. You have those defensively, you have, obviously, you have... team goals that you have as a unit. But from an individual standpoint, what do you hope to accomplish this season outside of the main goal being Super Bowl?

I mean, as an individual, I think I just want to, like, build on the season I had last year. I felt like I was short of some accolades that I worked for. And I feel like I want to, you know, be first AP all pro and Pro Bowl this year. And, you know, maybe like 10 plus sacks. like 15 plus TFS, just, and also feed the rest of my guys. I feel like we have a great D-Line right now, and I feel like at least four of us can have eight plus sacks this year. Do you feel like the defensive tackles

because you guys don't get the high sack totals? Aaron Donald's anomaly, a guy that plays a three-take, they can get 20 sacks. That's crazy. That's unheard of it. But you guys don't get like the edges, You know, the Miles Garrett and the Michael Parsons and the T.J. Wads that's out there on edge and playing in space, they're going to have 13, 14, 15, 17, 20 sacks. Do you feel like you guys get the credit that you deserve?

I think the standard for D tackle definitely has changed in the last few years. And I think Aaron Donnell was a big part of that, obviously. him getting 10 plus sacks every year and, you know, 20 sacks, his defensive player of the year, you know, that was different for a defensive tackle. I think, like, if you were getting like six to eight sacks as a defensive tackle normally, that's like a good season. Yeah, that's a good season for a de-tackle normally. And I think nowadays, you know, fans want to see 10 plus sacks from a defensive tackle for

them to think that you had a good season. And unfortunately, they see Sacks as, like, one of the main stats, and they don't see, like, all the play-in, play-out. Run, the tactical losses, the holding up so the linebackers can make the plays. I mean, I don't like to do all that either. Well, I don't like to. You like to play the under-tackleck, I already know you ain't tried to two-gap. Yeah, yeah.

I like two-gapping, but I want to make the play, for sure. I love my linebackers. But like I said, we'd be competing in our room. Hey, hey, first come, first serve, bro. I'm trying to get, I got first crack. I'm closer to it than you are. I heard you're in the magic. Oh, what?

You know about that? No, I mean, you know, there's a little resurgency. So you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's not like pulling bunnies out of a hat, like, cart. Not like that type of magic. You know what I mean? It's a card game, kind of like similar to, like, Pokemon.

Okay. You collect cards and you can play it. It's called like Magic the Gathering from my Wizards. Okay. Yeah, Magic the Gathering. And my Wizards Up, the Coast is the brand that makes them. And what's cool is they're based out here in Seattle, so they gave me like a tour of their facility and stuff like that.

And, you know, we've been in communication about it. So is that what you do in your downtime? I mean, I do a lot of things in my downtime. I feel like I'm pretty different from most football players. I think I started playing football later. life. I didn't start playing football until I got to high school. And I feel like because of that, I was able to kind of figure myself out as like a person a little bit. I mean, I was young still, obviously, but I feel like I was able to like find other interests and

hobbies and stuff like that outside of football. So I like to go like spirit fishing and like boating and traveling. That's what I was about to ask you. Being up there in Seattle, do you like to go fishing? Because, you know, what's the market? I went up there because you got to go to the market. If you go to Seattle, you got to go see and go to fish and do all that, have you, have you caught him? Have you been able to catch it? Yeah, of course, I went up there, like, a few weeks after I got traded. When I finally got out of the hotel, like, me and my wife were like, okay, now it's time to

explore the city a little bit. So we went to the market, and, like, they all recognized me right away. So they were like, Big Cat, you got to come over here. And, like, I was definitely nervous because, like, I feel like I got hands. Like, you've seen the intersection. Catching a wet, slippery fish is a little. Yeah, I'm like, but I caught it. It was a pretty cool tradition.

But, yeah, that's something I like to do during my off time is go fishing and stuff like that. And I'm based down in Florida during the off season, so it's perfect. Wait, you're in Florida? Yes, sir. But where at? For a lot of the...

Man, I'm right here. I'm right here. What's where I'm going to? I'm fishing, baby. And listen, I free dive when I fish. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I go spearfishing. You be free diving?

Yeah. Oh, oh. Yeah, man. He didn't mind. He ain't buying it. Hey, hey, Lennan,

I can hold my breath like four minutes. I can get in the spirit in the water like myself. I'm a nomad. Okay. Yeah. I'll be doing it.

So, man, when you get in the off season, man, I got you. We can take my boat. Where are you? Where are you? Where are you?

I'm in South West Ranges and fall out of them. That's nice. Yeah, let's go. We do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, boat and everything, Lidder. I do got, I do got a,

on, I got a yacht. It ain't, it ain't mine, but Mickey Erison used his yacht when I'm going to go to get a thing. Ain't nobody fishing off a yacht. Hey, let me mention this. Would you like, would you, would you go on a trip? Let's just say they say, well, they go out for,

they got to bring me back. I couldn't stay out there for no two, three months. The deadliest catch. You know, they go out there to the barren sea. I might get to, like, do it like a couple of days, but they're going to have to come get me. I don't know. The way the boat be almost completely tilted over.

Oh, you'd be sick. Yeah, I'm pretty. adventurous and I like to do a lot of crazy stuff. My teammates to judge me for sometimes but that's one of those. I don't know. You're good with that. Say them Alaska King Craves. I went to the break up. I went to them to the shore. I get them there.

I'll buy them from the market. Hey, I like the, I like the t-shirt. You know that t-shirt? You appreciate that. Ligley 5. Yes, sir. That's my team. From L.A. baby. Man, literally, thank for joining us, man. Stay healthy. Great. A. Tremendous season last year.

Hopefully even better season this year, man. Thanks for dropping by. And guess what? When you get those double-digit sacks this year and make First Team All-Pro, come back and tell us about it. Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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Taken 20th overall by the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2022 draft, Pickett has now been traded three times in his career. That leaves the Browns with two rookies, Dillon Gabriel and Sherdoer Sanders, behind starter Joe Flacco. Stefansky has not named Flacko's backup. The Raiders needed the backup to Geno Smith

after Aiden O'Connell, he broke his wrist and he's going to be out six to eight weeks. So they needed the backup. Yeah. The Browns are like, you know what? We got one. Yes, sir. What y'all want?

What y'all try to do? What y'all try to do something? Y'all try to do something for two something? Because right now at 1 o'clock. Yeah. He's the time, four o'clock. Everything needs to be taken care of. So they got this done.

I like this move. Oh, Joe, I told you. Yeah. I didn't see a scenario where Joe Flacko and Kenny Pickett was on this roster. Do you better record them? I didn't see that. I didn't. Mm-hmm.

So tell me what you think about the move. surprised? No, I'm not surprised at all. Obviously, Kenny Pickett is a very, very serviceable quarterback. He showed glimpses of being able to lead a team, maybe not quarterback number one, but we saw him in Pittsburgh. We saw him in Philly when he got his opportunity to play there.

And obviously, due to injuries and circumstances, we weren't able to see much of them in Cleveland, but obviously seen what he could do in two other spots outside of Las Vegas, where he's going to be now. And obviously, learning and, sitting behind, Gino Smith is a great, great, great quarterback, number one to sit behind and learn that offense from. And if anything goes wrong where Gino Smith goes down, Kenny Pickett is a grace, serviceful quarterback that can go in and lead a team to a couple

of wins. Obviously, they have Amari Cooper. Jacoby Myers is upset right now. Obviously, wanting an extension. And I think because of Jacoby requesting a trade, they obviously reached out to Amari Cooper. And Amari Cooper has some other choices of teams. He could have went to, but he chose to go back to the Raiders for obvious reasons. He's going to get that ball. He's going to get that ball. I mean, that's what it is. I think it's a good thing, good pickup

for Pete Carroll. And he's going to be our right. He's going to be all right over there in Las Vegas. Yeah, I like to move for both sides. Reports are out, Ocho, that Kenny Pickett, they really, the Browns really like Kenny Pickett. Yes. They were hoping he would be the starter. But I didn't see a scenario where you keep in four quarterbacks,

you're not keeping two veterans and two rookies. No. It just didn't, it didn't make a whole lot of sense to me, Ocho. No, not at all. Because the backup, he's not going to be your future. He's not your future. Your future are the rookies. So if he got, if he's your backup, now you're taking rep from them. Right. And I hate when they say stuff like that too. The way you just started that, that sentence would they wanted Kenny Pickett to be the starter. Obviously, if Kenny Pickett was the type of quarterback that was to be a starter and the future for the Cleveland Browns, he would have been in Pittsburgh. Yeah. I mean, no, no, no disrespect to him.

No disrespect to him. He would have been that there. When you think about the makeup in the DNA of the Cleveland Browns, they are not heavily offensive skilled in a sense where you can have a quarterback that needs more talent around him to succeed like Kenny Pickett would. You know, I think Joe Flacco is suited. Okay, I don't have that much talent around me offensively

because the identity for the Cleveland Browns is their defense, no matter what they're in the chat trying to hate. The Cleveland Brown defense is. It's very good, no matter what you say. You can say what you want to say. So they went with the right choice in Joe Flacko. They got Jerry Judy, Unjoku, and they're going to have, they're going to have to eat. Cedric Tillman, they're going to have to eat.

Yeah, they're going to have to, they're going to have to carry a lot of, do a lot of the heavy lifting, Ocho. A lot of it. And the thing is, is that, like, Joe Flacco at 40 years of age and you're 18, what are your expectations? What are your expectations? Yeah. I mean, if you really go back and look at it, Joe Flacko really hasn't ever really been good in the regular season. He's made a name from himself in the postseason.

Beating an Andrew Luck, beating a Tom Brady, beating a Peyton Manning. That's where he beat Tom Brady twice in the postseason. I say something too on. Go ahead. Real quick. He beat Andrew Luck.

He beat Tom Brady. Please let the chat know and understand the teams and the talent that was surrounding him yes he did those let's remember what that defense looked like let's remember what the weapons he had on offense looked like now it wasn't it wasn't

obviously it's a team game but we can't just put this all on flack over now but he was I mean I mean he was a I mean he he really looked like Joe Montana come playoff time oh yeah he never he never what he's shown in the playoffs

he's never shown that in the regular season for any length of time yes he's had good games he's a quarterback I mean you don't be a quarterback for a decade plus, a starting quarterback for a decade plus, Joe, and not put up good numbers. So he's put up good numbers.

Yes. But nothing that would say, oh, my God, there's a reason why Ozzie traded back into the first round. It's like, it's like Lamar Jackson. Yes, sir. So with that being said,

he beat Andrew Luck, he went to Denver, beat Peyton Manning, he went to New England and beat Tom Brady. He did that. And then he went on the road and beat the San Francisco team

when Carla Nick was at his ape, without outstanding defense, when they had Navarro Bowman, when they had Patrick Willis, when they had Smith, when they had those great, that great team, Frank Gore running the ball,

a mammoth offensive line. He did that. I'll give him credit for that. But like I said, it's in the postseason that he's made a name, really cut his teeth and made a name for himself

because there's really been no consistency in the regular season. He showed you flashed. He's like, damn, why can't we get this more, more this Joe Flacco than the other guy? And Joe Flacco, what are he going to get at Browns?

He's going to give you a five, six game run of wins? You can be like, holy man. He did it. He did it two years ago. Yep. Deshawn went down. Boy, they went on a hell of a run with Flaccoe, right? Jerry, Judy, what was that Judy?

The Judy wasn't there. Oh, Judy wasn't there. I figured somebody at receiving was going crazy, man. Might have been Coop. Might have been Coop. It was Coop. It was Coop going crazy, man. Yeah, it was.

The damn show was. cool. And see, and that's the thing. You see what happened, he came in, there was no expectations. They won some games, and then we started having expectations for him, and then what happened? Yeah, the bottom fell out, interceptions, turn over. Yes, yes.

So this, I like this move for the Browns. Now this give Dylan Gabriel, look, they're talking about, well, they have a name to backup. We know who the backup's going to be. Mm-hmm. They won't need a name. We already know who the backup's going to be.

Yeah. And Dylan Gabor is going to be the backup. It's your door when you get your reps. And because you're going to probably be, well, Dylan will be running some of the practice, some of the opposing team's quarterback also. But, excuse me, the scout team office, that's when your opportunity.

That's when you show what you can do. That's the way you don't go through the motions. You take it serious. Hey, they tell you where to go to the ball. You go through your, you go through your progressions, eh, and get the ball where it needs to go. but in the meantime, hey, you get enough of that playbook, and when your opportunity presents itself,

you take full advantage of it. And the funny thing, the good thing for Stewart, as well as Dylan Gabriel as well, is when you take the scout team reps, hey, you're going against number one defense. Absolutely. Going against number one defense.

So it's mental reps plus physical reps, but it's against the best players, similar to what you see on a Sunday. So it's just not no, it ain't going to be no walk in the park, man. Nope. It ain't going to be the walking to Paul. And I, Ocho, well, I read it that day.

I remember, I remember that thing. That was 35 years. I was rookie back in 1990. So that's 35, 36 years ago. I remember it. I would lighten them up, Ocho. Oh, yeah. Hey, this is my Sunday.

Right, right, right. Thursday, Friday, that is my Sunday. I'm not going to get a whole lot of reps on offense. I'm going to be on special teams. This is my, this is my Sunday. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I'm cooking. Yeah. And take it easy my ass

Right Well I'm trying to keep it Hey After the coach done told me that Hey, we still cut right here now I just want y'all to know that It's September I think I don't made the squad coach

I'm not we still cut Yo yeah Oh no oh no I can't now how that's going to look Ocho I don't make the team I don't call home Libby I made it Spank I made it

Mama I made it I made it call him home But I made it And then all of a sudden I get cut Oh nah Nah Nah hell no I was cooking

I'm trying to think who we played We played the Raiders Over the week My rookie year Man I cooked the dude so bad Wednesday, Thursday and Friday After practice they cut it For real?

Cut it Cooked it Cooked I was cooked on you I was cooking Hey It's so funny I didn't know

I didn't know the correct way to practice I knew one thing do everything special teams I'm out there playing around just to keep my body

warm and moving I'm at the corner I'm running down on special teams scout team I was a gunner listen I was

I'm in year 10 TO is you know TO is obviously on the Bengals would be so I'm peeping I'm watching T okay okay this is how he do it okay that's how he do it

scout team come up I'm taking all the reps on scout team to give my number ones a look and T.O. pulled me to the side, like, what is how you practice? You're not supposed to, you got to get your body time. Yeah, you got to say them legs, man. I say, T, boy, I take all the reps. This is all I know.

This is how I know. I say, boy, Eli, Ocho, boy, you tripping, boy, you got to say your legs for Sunday. I say, T, I'm going to be all right. But this is how I've always done it. I always take the scout team, so I give the number one corners the best look, depending on who they're seeing. It's like, boy, you better than me because I couldn't do that. Early, early, you know, I would take a couple of, you know,

there's like want to get some work or something. But as I got older, I started getting your five, year six. Nah, I ain't got nothing for you on Scout team. Real, oh, yeah. I didn't know. My first time thinking there was something wrong with it, once Tio got there to Cincinnati was telling me, listen, you need to scale back a little, you need to tone it back,

do what you do with the ones when we're up offensively, and you go. Right. You go. Oh, yeah. I'm getting seven hard rip. But plus, oh, show, you taking, you're taking one-on-ones, too.

See, I was the only tight end that took one-on-ones. I never ran routes against a linebacker or anything like that. I ran routes against the Watt D-Bs. So I'm getting, I'm getting that, and I'm getting my reps. So once we got through, I do like five, six plays of nine-on-seven. Mike said 84, go down and get some work on one-on-one. Okay? Because, you know, during the court, some games, I split out wide.

I'd be in the flex position. Right, right. this is your opportunity if i could tell any rookie anything give him any advice when you're running scout team that is your sunday yeah that is your game wednesday thursday friday is your sunday you approach it like that you like they hey man take it easy no i ain't take it easy on nothing when they cut that film on they'll see number 81 busting his ass because uh i ain't going home because you take it easy you want to let okay hey bro

I understand that you're a vet and you know you and your 10 or whatever the case may be but I'm going thousand miles an hour as hard as God to let me oh yeah and the ball's going to be coming to me too oh yeah

and they're like hey son he's a rookie so what you think what you think they got gonna do right more than that so you that's for sure

I don't even know what I'm doing I'm just following the Hey, I just see the circle. Hey, that's where the ball going. Hey, let me get that right there. Yeah. Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long?

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