Club Shay Shay - Best of NFL News Part 1: LEAKED NFLPA report card NFL GM says Tyreek Hill isn't even worth the VET-MINIMUM

Episode Date: February 28, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the Best of the NFL on Nightcap as they react to the leaked NFLPA report cards and rank the worst-graded teams in the league and responds to a shocking GM take claiming Tyreek Hill isn’t even worth the veteran minimum when he returns from injury.  Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - NFLPA Team Report Cards Leak21:31 - Sonny Styles' Combine Results 33:26 - Tyreek Hill done? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Dolphins ranked number one in the report cards for the third consecutive year. According to the report, the Vikings ranked second. The commanders rattled out the top three after the commanders at one point in time was rated dead last. But the Steelers checked in 32 for the first time on the report cards four year history. Steelers received low marks especially facilities. owner Art Rooney the third, I think. Or the second.

Okay, second, ranked the last for willingness to invest in facilities. No surprise. Steelers are cheap. Steelers locker room, which also had a failing grade. The Steelers ranked last by a wide margin on the field,

highlighted by the need for more investment to increase the standard. Acroshore. Stadium grass turf was subject of a discussion after it was particularly torn up during week six between the Steelers and Browns. Ocho? Yes, sir.

NFL won the grievance. You can't release this because you're releasing this in bad faith and you're trying to make our teams look bad. Right. But why can't, but I'm just saying, but what's, you don't want the players opinion? You got all these sites that have an opinion. They grade the players, which is third party.

Yep. And a lot of people base that their grades and how they play players on those grades. So a player that actually plays there to see it day to day say, you know what, the training facility is not up to start, up to par. The craft services, which is the food, is not up to par. Right. The family, where the family resides, it's not up to par. Right.

I mean, I'm confused. Why, would you? Yeah. Listen, that's a good thing. And obviously, you think about it, too. right? You think about the owners and what they choose to invest in. I mean, what's most important to them? Obviously, everything starts with the product. The product are you putting on the field? Obviously, along with the product, you want to have the best services for said players to keep everyone

healthy, strengthening, nutrition, some of the things that come to hand right away. Obviously, outside of that, all the other amenities, I think most owners don't see as important as said players, which is why those that have bad grades, they have them for a reason. Oh, Cho. Yes, sir. The objective is to make as much money as I possibly can while spending. I look at ROI, which is return on investment. Investment, yes.

I invest a little. I get maximum in return. Hey, night. If I grade my facilities, if I get a new weight room, if I give the facilities where families can come and the kids can come, Right. That's money. I got to pay for that. Talk to me, now.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I want you all in the same dilapidated facilities. Yes. I expect you to win. Yeah. While we get $400 million from TV revenue. Remember, the caps only $305 million. So that's $95.

You're 95. Mm-hmm. Already, you're 95 up. You haven't sold tickets. You haven't sold concession. You haven't sold part of. and you haven't sold merchandise. Yeah.

And you haven't sold local TV and broadcast. Right. You're 95. Now, okay, you pay your coaching staff. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, you all in on your coaching staff and 30 million. You still got 65 plus the five things that I just left at it. So at worst case scenario, you're probably coming home with 100 mil.

Yeah. That's worst case. Cowboys, you're probably coming home with 300 mil. But even the worst franchise is coming home with 100 mil. After they pay all the players, after they pay other coaches, that's what you're coming home with. Yep. I mean, that's always been the owner's mindset. That's always been the model for any business, especially an entity of this magnitude, R-O-I.

Can I, can I pay less? but maximize more. Always. That's always been the model. It is. Because guess what it is, Ocho? As we see food prices where you go, these restaurants, where the prices are going up,

guess what's not going up? The employee's wages. So while the prices goes up, we're going to make more, we pay them the same. See, that's how you do it. It's been a business model for a very long time. Somebody going to need the jobs. Yeah.

Now, there are some jobs and the people are like, well, why they come across here? Why they're coming? Because they're doing jobs you don't want to. All I know is when I'm driving side the road and I'm seeing people clean weeds and doing all that manual labor. Yes, sir.

They don't really be looking like me. They don't be looking American to be. Right. Because would they be showing them clips of people in the fields? Yeah. I've done that type of work. Yeah. As a kid.

And let me know I didn't want to do that as a adult. When you go to the hotels, Ocho, who cleaning them rooms? Oh, yeah. It's not us. When you come out here on the strip, who's cleaning them rooms? Yeah, not us. So there's always going to be someone in the fast food industry that wants those jobs, even though they're, I don't know, debate. I mean, I see sometimes I go see, I pass the,

paying $15 an hour, paying $17. So I don't know what the average is. You don't know what the average is. Y'all would have to tell me what you make at a fast food restaurant because I don't know. $3.16? $16.5.

$16.5 an hour. You work eight-hour shift? I guess they work, do you think they work eight-hour shifts, oh, Chil? Yeah. That sounds about right, huh? Yeah.

That's $120, $1, $128, $128,000. Blah, blah, plop, plo, plo. Now about $1334 a day. Yeah. I mean, that's good money. Boy, boy, I could imagine what I could have done with $134 a day. Can you imagine? And I'm trying to think, you know, Uncle, I used to work at McDonald's.

Obviously, it was my freshman year. My freshman year in high school, there was a McDonald's in Liberty City on 62nd Street, right by the highway, maybe about 15 blocks away from my grandma stayed. I worked there my freshman year in high school, obviously, at McDonald's. And I can't remember what minimum wage was back then. And this is way back in 1990, 93, 92, something like that. Hey, boy? And you know my check had to go straight to grandma.

Oh, yeah. Piggy bang, you got to put this up in your bank. You got to put this in. Hey, I got to teach you how to save. 725, yeah. Yeah. Somebody say, hey, okay, millionaires. But you see, you look at Ocho.

not now. You didn't say that when we're coming up. Wait. So what was Ocho and Shannon Sharp from the ages of five until we made it to the NFL? Well, I didn't make that kind of money until like 94. So I'm just trying to say, because see, and that's the thing. Everybody look at what they see now, Ocho, but they don't see where we came from. I did everything. I see y'all be talking. I did. My working in the fields is documented. Wait, I got a question, too. Not only did you work, we all

know your story because you talk about your story all the time. I mean, do people think, are we forgetting? I worked at McDonald's. When I was in Santa Monica, Unk, I worked at Cuckaroo. I work at KB toy stores in Fox Hills Mall. I worked at Men's Land

at Fox Hills Mall. Like, I literally had, I had no choice. My grandma, when my grandma, when she, when she, hit me with that when I got thrown out of Langston and I came back home and she looked at me in my face with tears and said, I've done all I can. I wash my hands and I had to go live with my mom in L.A. I had no choice. I had to survive at that point. Yes. Well, you're a grown man. Oh, so you think you're grown. I see you're so wearing to get your education and you still want to

do it your way. You know what you got to go to your mama. So I had to get a job. But my Well, Hurricane ain't played at? But guess what, Ocho? You nor I thought we were too good to have any job. I never thought a job was beneath me. Man, I ain't doing that. Never that. Never that.

I had to work. I ain't have a choice. I had to. How I was going to eat? I noticed my own. You want to get you a job. So what's a normal shift for a fair age? Anybody know?

So how long do you work? How long do you guys work in the fast food? So is it like you work six hours, you work eight hours, you work 10 hours? What's a shift at a fast food restaurant, somebody? Somebody, anybody that's worked there that knows anything? Because I have no earthly idea. Huh? Eight hours, okay.

Because you working in the field, it wasn't no eight hours. It wasn't no eight hours, I promise you that. Well, you got to work longer or shorter? Yeah, you work longer. Then eight hours? Then we got to the point. We got to the point, oh, Joe. if you finish, if you, like we, we go by the barn.

If you finished, you could get off. That wasn't always like that. We would just start. Right. So we would start, say, 7 o'clock and we knock off around 6. You get an hour. You get an hour. So from the time he dropped you off at home,

whatever time that was, they were going to come back and pick you up to go back to the field. So from 7 to 12, so we probably get off at my 12, it all depends. We try to finish at one end or another. Well, we tried to finish on the end. this area goes closer to the truck. He didn't want to finish. You have to walk way down here and walk.

So we, you know, even if we like, say it's 12 o'clock, I remember Mr. Joe's like, guys, we can make it. And, you know, you get an extra, you know, that's an extra 15 minutes lunchtime. Okay. Our lunchtime scarf the food down and me and my cousin, my brother, and we had, they're playing basketball. Yeah.

So it wasn't like no, like, no rest. My grandma, like, boy, y'all come out, that son. Y'all will have a heat stroke. Did you not see us just come out the field? Right. You ain't said nobody no heat stroke, but playing basketball. basketball, you will have a heat stroke. So that's when I'm like, I tell kids today,

Ocho, work a lot of jobs because it'll let you know what you don't want to do when you get old. Because if you can't do it when you're young and spry and vibrant, you damn show not going to do that in your late 20s, your 30s, your 30s, and your damn shall not want to do it when you're in your 50s or 60s. Yeah. So work some things, work, let you know what, man, man ain't no head way in hell. I want to work 12. 14 hours a day. If I'm working 12, 14 hours as a kid, but a, you know, young adult, you're a teenager, you're in your early 20s. Nah, this ain't, this ain't what I'm trying to do. Right. This ain't what I'm trying to do. Now, everybody, hey, everybody's not going to be able to parlay and flip that into something. Right. More prosperous. Yeah. I mean, you know,

you know, you's funny too, um, is most of the time, you think about it, we, we all have to have a plan B. We all have our plan A. Our plan A is what we actually want to do. And the fact that I think about, let's say if football didn't work, if football didn't work out, you know, obviously I still have the discipline, understanding, I still have to make a living, I still have to eat, hold on, I still have kids, so I still would have the structure and discipline to go out and get a job. It might not be the one thing I want to do. It might not be the NFL.

Yes. But even if it's not, I still have the ability to go and get a job. I don't see working as being beneath me. Absolutely not. I just don't. because I had no choice but to do it growing up. And I did it at places that people would somewhat frowned upon. I ain't working in no fast food place.

Well, hell, I started at McDonald's. Hell, I did Christmas season at KB Toy Store. That'd have been nice to work in their condition. I work in the clothing store at Crenshaw Mall and Fox Hills Mall. Men's Land. I wanted to say I'm still there. Anybody in the chat that's from L.A., I mean, you know what I'm talking about.

Man. Six out. They say they work six-hour shifts at restaurants. Oh, that's not bad. That's not bad. That's not bad. Well, here's the thing, no, it's not bad. But when you only make it $10 hours,

man, let me get all these hours. Let me get 10, 12 hours. I don't like that. I don't like the part. And I don't like the part. Now you get a better understanding is the shifts are so short and they don't make enough. Now you get a better understanding

why I've been tipping the way I do the past 20 years every time I go out. It's ridiculous. Yeah. It's, uh, it's, it's, it's tough. And I, you know, look, I understand because I've been there. I've been there. Been dirt poor.

And, and, you know, you got to make ends meet. You know, we, we work, me and my brother, we take half our money. You know, we got to buy school clothes. Right. But we got to help granted pay bills. You know, light needs to be on. Telephone bill got to be paid. Gas bill got to be paid.

Sometimes we run short of money in the winter because we're not really working like that. Yeah. Oh, Joe. Hey, we got to pull that. Hey, we got to open that. Fireplace up. Boys, you're granted short this month. We're going to have to use the fireplace. Okay. It wasn't like, oh, man, this is, this is the bird. This is for the birds. No. Yeah. You ain't had no other way.

They're doing the best she can. That's a, and boy, I used to break my heart every time she was sent, she was sent because you know, Ocho they sent cash. You ain't have no, grandma ain't have no check of an account. We didn't have no money order. Grandma would send cash. They have said, have limited to send me cash in Savannah State. But she would put it in newspaper because you know people are holding it up to the light oh they got money in there you never see it you never see it so my grandma would have my sister put it in the newspaper

my sister put a note ready to say this all she it ain't much son it's all I got. It's $5. Man that's all I got is $5 oh Joe oh she'll give me and Spaggart's like well here here boys here's some money here's a piece of money she gives us $5.00 I get $250 $250.000.

Well, Spanky's going to hold on to his. Now, Shannon. Shetland's gone. Back then, sodas was a quarter. Honey buns were a quarter. Bag of chips. And back then bag of chips filled all whipped to the top. Not half the chips.

And the rest of the half is air. Yeah. That wood job, they'd be pulling on this now, Ocho. Oh, yeah. Man, I give me three sodas, three honey buns, two bags of chips. But I tell people all the time. I'm, Ocho, the easiest job I've ever had playing in the NFL.

Because, you know why, Ocho? Because that's something I really wanted to do. I wanted to do, yeah. I ain't want to clip no damn onions. I ain't want to catch chickens. I ain't want to crop tobacco. I ain't want to bail hay. I ain't want to goddamn low watermelon. I ain't want to do none of that. Right. The only thing I ever wanted to do was playing the NFL. Because it looked fun. And when I saw

they was making $50,000, $100,000 in the late 70. What? What? Do you know? know how much money that is from a kid from Georgia that's living on the shotgun shack? $100,000, Ocho? Yeah. Big money, boy. You know what, Ocho? I would take you down.

I would let you do so with the jobs that I used to do. Come on. Hey, come on, man. Come on. Bring me down there. Hey. But catching chickens have gotten a lot of ease, Ocho. Because now what I hear is they got the, they got the coups.

They got the chicken cages in the house. See, we used to have to catch the chickens. We open the back door. We take a flashlight because it had to be dark because the chickens are huddled up. And we just have a light, a flashlight standing up so you can just barely see the chickens. And you catch three in one hand, three in the other hand.

You walk them out. You walk them up. You hand them to the guy. He takes them, hand them to another guy that was stacking them. Now they got them in there. You ain't got to do nothing. They take a fork lift and do all that.

I say, what kind of bull job is there? Hey, I need you to take me out there, right? Okay. And have them out there in the field. How about that? Wow. I'm going to put on some cleats. No, no, no.

They're in the chicken house. They might be eight, 10,000 chickens in the house. You have to go, but that's, Ocho. I wanted the way you did it. I wanted the way you did it. That's the way I did it. Oh, okay, it was in the house. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

That's too easy, man. Okay. Oh, I don't know, Ocho, now your back going to be on fire, because you got to realize that's a lot of bending over. Yeah. I mean, my back was hurting. Hell, I'm 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. My back hurting.

So I can imagine with a grown person, that ain't you, boy, you might be in traction. Man, I'm ready, boy, I'm ready. I'm ready. Well, set that up for me. Set that up. Get the cameras ready. The NFL, the GM report cards.

A grade with the Dan Morgan of Carolina, George Patton for the Broncos, Chris Ballard, less need, obviously. Adolfo Mensa, he got an A and got fired, John Snyder and Adam Peters. A with DeCosta, A minus was DeCosta, Brandon Bean, Ryan Poles, Brad Holmes, Nick Casario, James Gladstone, John Spichick, Chris Greer. He got fired too. Doug Moogie. John Lynch and Todd and Jason Light.

B-plus was Terry Fontno, Brian Guticus, Brett Veach, Joe Hortez, Elliot Hortez, Elliot Wolf, and Mike Borganzi. But here's D-plus, Joe Sean. Shone, Joe Shone. He was the Giants' GM. And you notice the GMs, the GMs, they got good grades. Jerry got a beat. Jerry got a beat.

Jerry got to be. His players, well, that's the GM. But Jerry, what else did Jerry get a beat for? Hey, hold on. Who did the grades, though, the players? The players, the players. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Hey, that's, that's amazing. I've never, I've never seen, I've never seen actually where players get the grade, you know, the GMs. Mm-hmm. I've never heard, I've never heard that before. That's, that must be something new. Yeah, they get, they give them, no, they give them every year for the, they've been doing it for like the last four years. Well, they can't do it anymore. Okay. Okay.

Hey, I know some GMs, especially those that got bad grades, they probably piss these saps suckers. And it gave me a D and I'm the one, man. Yeah. Brett Beach, Brett Beach got a B-plus. Terry Fontno, Gounan, Brett Beach, got B-plus. Omar Khan. I don't know how he got a C-plus from the Steelers because he ain't found a quarterback yet.

Duke Tobin got a C. Andrew Barry. I don't know how Andrew Barry. Well, I mean, considering he had a defensive rookie of the year and he found Hal Fanning Jr., We'll see what should do. If Chador is able to parlay the last half of the season and turn that into something positive moving forward,

then I can understand why he got the grade that he had. But what about all those other grades? He's been there for a minute. This ain't his first year. But that's it. Ocho, you won't get no more GM grades moving forward. Where's Howard Roseman? Howie should have got an eight.

Oh, howie got to be. He got to be. Yeah. Who, I mean, how many, how many, how many, how many, how many, how many, James got a eight? He got to be. Some of these guys, I don't know, I don't know who, obviously Eric DeCosta is with the Ravens. Right. Chris Greer was with the, the, the dolphins.

Brad Holmes is with the, uh, Detroit. Nick Casarios is with the Houston, Texas. Ryan Poles, he's with the Chicago Bears. Bears. Les Need is with, uh, not Kansas. No. No, he went to Seattle. In less with Seattle?

Seattle. Or was that John Schneider with Seattle? Snyder with Seattle. Okay, less needed with the Rams then. Yeah. This is the biggest night in podcasting. The countdown is on to our 2026 IHeart podcast awards. Live from South by Southwest, March 16th,

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they put on the show today. Ohio State Sunny Stiles, official combine. He ran 4-4-6. He tied for first. The 1.56, 10-yard split. Tied for first. He set a combine record for linebackers,

a 43-5-inch vertical, which was the best all-time for linebackers. His 11-2 standing long jump was the best in this group. It was the fourth best all-time. Sunny-Style's profile. He's 6'5. Same height as Calvin Jump.

The 244 is three pounds lighter than Derek Henry. The 446 that he ran is the same as Bejohn Robinson. The 43.5 Bert is the same as Nate Robinson. And, well, the 13.5, which is 11.2, is the same as Julio Jones. The other guy, April Reese, he ran 4. I think he ran 446 as well. So we won that bet because he's supposed to be under 449. So we won.

Hey, eh, um, boy, the measurables, the intangibles, and the numbers jump off the roof. And when you turn the film on, you get exactly just that as well. I'm not sure where young bull is going to go, but I guarantee you, whatever his draft stock was before the combine, even if it was already high, it just climbed a little bit higher. And I said this, the one thing Ohio State guys can do is they can test. Jesus. I don't know who the strength of conditioning coach is, and I don't know if he went somewhere else, Ochoa train.

Because, you know, they got facilities in Florida, they got Arizona, they got Cali, they got Texas, you know, Michael Johnson put a, got a speed cap going. Yeah. I don't know. But all I know is this. Ohio State guys? They can go, boy.

They can go. Hey, you saw Reese? Did you see what Aval Reese tested that too? Yeah. Hey, man. And they had Caleb Downs on that. So they had three guys. I mean, they got top guys on that defense.

But they had the D-Ly-Lyman. But they got a couple of D-Lyman, but one of them is graded really high. But 6'5-244. That's crazy. With those measurables. Hold on. A fo-fo-fo-off? Yeah.

At 244, 6-5, Ocho. That's crazy. These guys get-old. That's crazy. These guys get rid. These guys get ridiculous with it, man. These guys getting, I mean. And I think they had,

they had like, hold on, they had like four or five linebackers that ran like sub four or five. That's crazy. Hey, what was Javon Kirsch? You remember Javon Kerr's staffed at the combine? Did he even do the combine? I think he did.

You think his staff were probably similar, huh? Yeah, a freak was a man. You had to see, I mean, I got it with his absolute apex. Yeah. At his absolute, absolute best. because he came in 99 and I was there in 2000 and 2001. So I saw him at his absolute apex.

Oh, yeah. I don't think, hey, the chat might not remember. Y'all remember Chet? Y'all remember Javon Curse? They called him the freak. Oh, my goodness. He was like 6'5. He probably like 265.

You got it. I mean, he had crazy. He had crazy measurables. Shredded. Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes. Hey, I seen Freak not too long ago in the airport, man, he still looked the same.

Do it. Yo, I'm like, boy, you look like you can still play. I seen him an F1 in Miami, too. Like, God damn, boy. At 265, he ran 458, he had a 37-inch vertical, a 424 in the 20-yard shuttle. But at his pro date, he ran 4-4-3 at 260. he was even faster. Yep.

He was defensive rookie in the year. Obviously, he had 14 and a half sacks. That's crazy. These guys are getting, you give these guys, it's kind of like, you give these guys like a test. This is okay.

This is the exactly test. I'm going to give you six weeks. I'm going to give you eight weeks to prepare. This is the exact test that you're going to take. All these guys do is run 40s, shuttle, standing brawl jump 225. That's all

they do. And they take the Wonder Lake. That's all they do. The exact answer. Yeah. They eat, sleep, they work out twice a day. They get the right nutrition. What you're trying to do, you're trying to take weight off, you're trying to gain weight, you're trying to keep the speed.

Shakes, everything is prepared. You probably take out a loan, you know, your agent, give you a little bread. Say, look, this one's going to cost, probably cost you $20,000, $25,000. You go here and you run 4-4, good work, you've made it back. Yeah.

You'd have made it back plus some. Tenfold. Plus some. It's so funny. A chat, it's so funny. A lot of players that's going to go to the combine that maybe been overlooked, maybe their film, they don't pop out on film as much as they should. But that 40-yard dash, that 40-yard jazz can change your life.

That 40-yard can change your life. depending on what you run, especially you run a staggering time based on the position you play, man, listen, that your life can change in a blink of an eye if you're not one of those top picks

that is always, you know, on everybody's radar, especially if you played at the Power 5 schools where everybody knows what you can do. But there are going to be some sleepers on that nobody knows about. That's going to get, when the receivers run?

Saturday. Saturday? Man, I can't, I can't wait. We won for one? Who didn't pay it out? He ran, no, he ran 4-4-6. Yes, who didn't, who didn't pay it out? Oh, oh, okay, you said we won for one.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He panned out. I was like, yeah, because all he had to do was run under 4-4-9. Yeah, he ran 4-4-6, okay. Yeah. So who we got next? Who we got up next? No, I think, yeah, but here's the thing.

If you play fast and you don't tell. fast, if you don't, they're going to go back and look, they're going to say, okay. Yeah. He jumps off the screen, so why didn't he run faster? Right. Because normally got, this is what, look at a guy, if a guy can stand in long jump or he convert, that means he's explosive. So he's probably going to be good and really good in the 40. Guys that are good in the 40, they normally, because that's explosive energy.

Right. So normally it translates. So if I work, but at the end of the day, now the tape is the most important thing. Always. I'm hoping if that boy, ooh, this joker here, he jumps off the tape. Give you a prime example, Michael Parsons. Yeah. Go back and look at Michael Parsons tape.

He jumps off the field. Now he comes to the combine. Everything that you saw on tape. It's there. Mm-hmm. You know, you know it's funny, too, chat? And why the combine is so important, especially that 40-yard dash, because you can't speed.

No. You can't teach speed. I can improve it. But if you, if you're five flat, I can't get you down to four or four. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no.

No, no, no. No, you can't. But when you, when you find those gems, Unk, you know, those four twos and those four threes, and they can, they can carry their pads,

as they call it, because there are a lot of people that test fast, but they play slow. Correct. Especially when they put them damn pads on. Yes.

Well, God damn. What happened? Yeah, son run. I am. Damn, you run it? Yeah, everybody can't carry those pads, man. It's weird. A lot of time, Ocho, when guys are not, don't, they're fast and they're thinking. Because if you're thinking, you can't play fast.

No, you can't. Because you're like, well, damn, am I, am I running? Bro, go, go, go. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And so that's why I say, guys, learn your playbook. Mm-hmm. The only way you can maximize your ability is to know the playbook.

Playbook, yeah. Know where you're supposed to go and get there in a hurry. Yeah. He who hesitate is beat. Every time. So you can't think because if you're going against somebody you thinking he's not, he's gone. Mm-hmm. He's gone.

So, but those guys, them linebackers, they put on the show today. Yeah. 43 and a half-edged vert. But see, here's the thing, Ocho. That's different than what the NBA test. The NBA lets you run and jump. They get the run and do it, yep. Man, do you know what these guys would do

if they would just let them run and jump? Jump, yeah. Some of these guys, I mean, Boss Bailey, I think Boss Bailey had like a 44 Gerald Sincerball. He had like a 45-inch bird, play with the cowboy of safety. 45?

Yes. Jesus. Yeah. Oh, hey, just standing there? Standing. I think Boss Bailey had like 44 a chance brother. Yeah, yeah, boss was athletic as hell. You played with boss, right?

Nah. Where did balls go? He might have went to Detroit. He was in Detroit. Yeah. Yeah, he was in Detroit. Who else had, Byron, what was Byron, the guy, the DB from the Cowboys?

with the Yukon. Byron Jones? Byron Jones. That joke was standing alone jump 12-3, which is a world record if they were tested. Damn. Yes. Boy, that joke had, he got jack-assing him or something.

You know how far 12 feet is? Hell yeah. From standing still? Lest you know how explosive you are. Yeah. Look at track guys. I bet if you were to test track guys and stuff like that. Right.

They're explosive. Very. You say the other jokers get out, Ocho? Yeah, you got to be explosive to get out like that. Mm-hmm. Man. Yeah, but I think, I think, I think, I think, uh, Gerald Sensible still has the record at 45, Burt.

Byron Jones has the record, uh, 12-3. Stephen Pyle got the record in the bench. He did 49 reps at 225. How many? 49. Hey, he got 50, he got 50 right there, Ocho. He got it right there. That's crazy.

Do you understand how much endurance you got to have to do that? 50 reps? Absolutely. Hell, once you get to 30, that lactic ass is building up. You get to 40? I saw Larry Allen. I forgot how many Larry Allen did it. 43.

Oh, at the Pro Bowl, yeah. Yeah. He was going, man. This is the biggest night in podcasting. The countdown is on to our 2026 IHeart Podcast Awards. Live from South by Southwest. March 16th will honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative, talented creators in the industry. It's truly a who's who of the podcasting world.

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We aren't touching him. No chance. We think he's done. He isn't a difference maker anymore. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. Not even as a vet minimum guy for us. What? That minimum is a million dollars.

Coming out for ACL, how old is Tyree? He got an ACL, MCL, a broken tibia. How old is he, Uncle? 31. I think he's 31. Oh, he got, he got a little, you got some juice left. Got a whole lot of juice left. How old is he?

He'll be 32. Yeah. Is it March 1st? He 31 right now. How old is he right now? Hey, hey, Joe and Unk? When I hear owners say stuff like this, I would so love to know exactly where the source came from or who the owner actually is. It was a GM.

It was a GM in general. Oh, they always anonymous. They always anonymous. I would love to see what receivers he has on his squad. We think even Tyreek Hill coming back off injury ain't better than what we got out there right now. I think he would be, Ocho, if he wasn't coming off serious injuries. He's coming out for serious injury. and he's about to be 32 and three days.

With that being said, at that minimum, I think it's a steer. Now, I'm not going, I'm not going much above that, Ocho. Given, given, given what he's coming back off of. What about what he looks like after injury? Well, he did that in week four. Coming in, seeing him wrong.

What do you have? He had, he had, we know he had a broken tibia. We know he had an ACL, were there any other ligaments, whether MCL, were there any meniscus damage, LCL. Yeah, he said, multiple tore ligaments. So we know the ACL. Okay, guys come back from the ACL. Is those, is those small?

And so did they repair it on Joe? Did they give him a cadaver? Right, right, right. They take part of the Patelal, because you know, they take part of the Patel tendon and they, they reattach it. So it's all, it's interesting to see what all he had done. They said multiple ligaments.

Now, we know the ACL. We don't know if it's the MCL, the LCL. We don't know if it's any of those, but we assume now we don't know which other ligaments, corresponding ligaments it is. We know he broke, we also know he broke his leg, the fibula. So it's going to be,

it's an uphill climb, but athletes, I mean, you know, they know, we know how to rehab. We know how to get back. Oh, yeah, big time. And if there's a will, there's a way, he'll get, he'll do it. But I do.

for for a million dollars i mean for that because that's the bad minimum mocho oh yeah for a million i definitely do it now i don't know if you'll go there for a million dollars but i'm saying no no no no absolutely not now i think he's gonna do he's gonna do it right uncle joe um depending on how he looks he'll be back over there with and andy mohomes and eric bianney because he's familiar with the system they're gonna know how to use him um it'd be it'd be perfect It'd be perfect for him because he doesn't have to be the one to shoulder the burden. Yeah, you're going to be all right. It's just the thing is, Ochova, man.

Yeah. If they ever get a chance to get you while you down, you best believe. Oh, they're coming. Man. Oh, they're coming. Don't. That's what I'm saying. And that's what I would advise the guys.

Guys, keep it be as gracious as you possibly can. And I know sometimes it gets hard. But you always want to give them like, you know what? We like, hey, he's never giving anybody any problem. He's a great locker room guy. He's competitive. Man, when you coming off of injury and there's like, well, you think you a problem in the locker room and you got a lot of stuff going on.

Because they're looking for a reason, oh, Joe. They just don't give them a reason. Always looking for a reason. And if there is no reason, they're going to create one. It's like, as a coach, you want to say, son, listen to, listen, don't cut yourself. Let us do that. Let me.

Hey, that's a classic. Know where you're supposed to be, do what you're supposed to do, be on time. Yeah. But you make my job real easy. When you don't know what you're supposed to do, you're not where you're supposed to be, and you're not on time.

You really make my job easy. Make it difficult on me. Traders. Make it. So I have to like, damn, I don't, you know, look, I understand. I think, I think with a little, you know, with a little time, this guy might turn into a pretty good player for it. Mm-hmm.

As opposed to like, nah, nah. I can't do it. So we wish Tyreek a speedy, speedy recovery. New Ravens head coach, Jesse Mentor, hopes to change players' attitude towards OTAs. He said today, first of all, I do have total respect for the rules that it is voluntary. Totally understand that.

And Lamar has an unbelievable success doing it both ways. And so there is certainly a balance there. But I think it's our job is to create an environment and a learning opportunity where they feel like it's really important for them to be there. Ocho? Yeah. You got a word. We had sound.

We have the sound of that, did we? Okay. What did you think of it, Ocho? What did it, Mr. Singh? He said, uh, he understands that it's totally voluntary. And he understands. Right.

And he understands Lamar's had success doing it both ways. But he said, I think it's our job is to create an environment and a learning opportunity where they feel like it's really important to them to want to be there. Hmm. Yeah. I like, I like, I like the words. It's all up to Lamar. Whatever Lamar wants to do, I mean, it would behoove him being that it's a new system.

It's a new officer coordinator. new coaches. I'm sure everybody. I mean, they will have 100% attendance even though it is voluntary. Because I think, you know, man, look, I'm trying, well,

you didn't have a coach because Marvin was there your whole tenure. So you didn't have a coach. Yeah. Well, no. Remember I had Dick LaBeau first. Oh, you're right.

You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're absolutely right, you're right. You're absolutely right, Ocho. And then you got Marvin. But did, and so if long as you don't change head coaches,

you really, because you get changed head coaches, you get three, you get to have three camps. Yeah. It's going to be, it's going to be in a real. I think, I think Lamar is going to show up. Just for the simple facts that, you know what, they're working on, Eric DeCosta, he's like, look, me and Lamar had a great opportunity, great conversation over the years.

We don't really talk about the contract thing, but I do think Lamar, I think Lamar is going to show up. They don't really do it. They don't do anything. And plus I think it gives them a head start on learning the offense. It's a totally new offense. Me, I kind of like keeping the same coaches because I like the same offense on Joe. So that way I didn't have to show up.

Right. That's why that was the only reason I liked me, Joe, because I didn't want to show up. But look, and look, they're very motivated to get a deal done with Lamar. Lamar's been to jump. He's fin to jump Josh Allen. We know what Josh got. Lamar's going to get that and some. They ain't going to play with him, is it?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Nope. Because the faster you can get that done, yes. You know, the better off things to be around now. He probably, you know, new system, new coach. So you want to get everybody acclimated. And nothing gets you acclimated and make you want to show up, oh, you like 300 million, huh?

Hello. We, hey. When $100 million hit your, hit your bank account. I'm like, damn, y'all really wanted me to show up. I don't buy it if I do. Hey, it's a different world. Yeah, hey, I'd have never thought.

If someone would have told me when free agency hit back in 93, that was the first year of it, that the salary would get to work, what they, I let me get the hell out of here. These guys are getting contracts for what these honors purchase teams for. I mean, you could, you could, you could. I mean, you could, yeah, you could buy a team. I mean, back in the 80s, you could buy a team for $60 million. Hey, but hold up, you remember you remember in the NBA coming in as rookies?

They used to didn't have no salary cap. I know. You used to sign a $60, $70 million deal. Yeah. What big dog, what are the last ones that get that contract? Yeah. Yeah. They had to put that salary cap on that real quick.

Hold on, hold on, for this thing ain't get out of hand. Well, it used to be, oh, Joe, well, you know it used to be there was no salary cap on rookies. Sam Bradford was the highest paid player. And he was a rookie. Yeah. And we went to the Rams first, right? And then you know how they did. And it's like, no, you know what?

We don't think that's right. We want to put a rookie cap and, you know, that'll keep more vets. Yeah. Put a rookie cap on the quarterbacks and then cut the vets. Right. Oh, boy. Crazy business. But no, I think Lamar is going to show up.

I think he's going to be very much. be very motivated to show up when they give when they give them that Josh Allen money. Oh, we. I'm telling you 150, 260 million guaranteed. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, 130 at the time of signing.

Yeah, I'm going to show up. I go to Steve. You know what? You and I've been working great together. Let's continue this relationship. Right. Right. Who's just saying, oh, showed another four years.

He can't get another contract. Yeah. Damn, he's just 29 for real. Boy, young, boy. Yeah. And then win the MVP, win a Super Bowl. See y'all in training camp. I see y'all for that mandatory one in June.

I'm just telling you. I win the MVP. We win the championship. I've never doing OTAs again. I'll see you in June. This is the biggest night in podcasting. The countdown is on. on to our 2026 IHeart Podcast Awards.

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