Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL NEWS PART 1: Micah TRADED to Packers! + SHOCKED Saquon Barkley voted #1 in NFL?

Episode Date: September 4, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the shocking trade of Micah Parsons to the Green Bay Packers, Breaking down the NFL 100 Top 10, running backs feeling disrespected and more! 0:00 - Tom Brady on Mentality8:25 - Disrespecting the RB28:32 - NFL Top 100 Top 10 unveiled47:12 - Micah hate underserved?  (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe. or you're going to make Ocho crack. Ocho. What's up, man? Don Brady said the quarterback position isn't as mentally developed as it was when he entered the league.

I don't believe the quarterback position as mentally developed as it was when I entered the league 25 years ago. There was a premium on understanding defenses on understanding matchups. I'd say pre-snaps, reeds, getting your team in and out of the right play.

I felt the way that. to learn was played a position over a period of time. You truly give your team the best chance to win to be a field general. I think you better have a mental advantage on the field, and I think sometimes there's more important than physical advantage. Ocho, do you agree with him? Hey, do me for your own. You said a whole lot right there that Brady said,

break it, listen, break it down to me in our language. He says there was a premium or understand. defenses. You had to understand what the defense was trying to do. So now you go out there and you're not just looking at your guy like, man, this quarters. Oh, this is covered this. He got help over here. So you needed to understand a pre-snap. You're looking at the alignment. You looking at that triangle. Okay. I see what y'all trying to do. So he said you guys need to have a pre-snap. You need to have an understanding of what's about to happen. Make sure you get your guys okay do not run a play into a safety that you can't block okay that's a negative play so

you just gave up a down for whatever reason flip it right i like audible out of it but but listen tom brady speaking from a standpoint of being number 12 a standpoint of having the power and the ability to be able to change plays tom brady paid manning they drew breeze uh it's a few other quarterbacks that i can name when they came to the line of scrimmage no matter how much disguising you did, no matter how much bluffing you did, based on down the distance, they already know from watching film, they know what the hell you're doing. They know what the hell you're doing. They know exactly where each play is going to be snap of the ball.

Even if you wait, even if you wait late and wait until he snap the ball and he still sees moving in front of them, because once they snap, they're looking right down field. Okay, if you was down in the box and you shoot back out, okay, this is what they, he already know what's coming. And every play you run, chat, every, every officer play you run, especially when it's a past play, there's always somebody open. There's always somewhere to go with the ball. And it's all about being able to process information on what you see in front of you

and knowing where to go with it very fast. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, were the best at it. They were the best at it. Sometimes you got to look at what those guys put in. Because a lot of times guys, see, a lot of times guys now, there's more important thing than football. Football was the most important thing to Tom Brady. It was the most important thing to Peyton Manning.

So there was no life outside of that. During the season, the most important thing was football. They didn't play video game. It wasn't no call of duty. It wasn't no madden. It wasn't no doing all this. They got all the commercials done in the offseason. So everything that was focused was centered around,

how could I become the best football player I possibly can? The question you ask yourself, is that what these quarterbacks today doing? Yeah. And also, you have to give some of the quarterbacks today. Also, you have to give them a little grace. You have to give them a little grace because they're starting the game so young. They don't have the freedom to do some of the things that Tom Brady's mentioning.

That takes time to develop. They even get to that point where you can recognize everything you're seeing. And the caucus trust you. Peyton Man, it was the coach. Yeah. Brady was the coach. But they know they put so much time in the O. Joe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, you right. So listen, quarterbacks right now, they can't come

up to the line of scrimmage and see something. He'd be like, you know what, this thing will work. We can't run that play. Sometimes I watch, I watch NFL games. Wait a minute. The defense shifted. The defense of the line shifts to the right. Change it. Right. You run in power stretch to the right, right into the defense. Right. I think some quarterbacks don't have the freedom to be able to do that because their officer coordinators don't trust them just yet because a young. No, you got, you got earned that. The only guy that had that kind of freedom early on was Peyton Manning.

Yeah. They turned the keys over to Peyton. Brady didn't even have that kind of leeway earning his career. He earned that trust. Drew earned that trust. Rogers earned that trust. You have to earn that. And that doesn't happen overnight. It doesn't.

Patrick Mahomes had to earn Andy's trust in order to be able to be able to audible in and out of plays. change of play, you know, things of that nature. It's different now. Ocho, I came in the league. The quarterbacks called their own plays.

It wasn't looking at the wrist. They called their plays. John Elway called his plays. Seriously? Yes. He called the game. Damn. Yes.

Wait, no officer coordinator talking into the... Hey, he might say what you like here. Okay. Yes. Quarterbacks, the old court, The old guard, those guys, I came in the league,

quarterbacks were calling some of the quarterbacks, not all, some of the quarterbacks were calling their own play. Yeah, he's like, get out of the sideline.

Yeah, no, you got to get out my ear. Get out of my ear. But it takes a lot. You have to put a lot of, a lot of timing in. Yeah.

And everybody. But like you said, you're talking about Brady running practice. He's running, he's running, he's running seven-on-seven. He's running, you know,

two-minute. He's running, running no huddle. Tom is doing those things. If a quarter, if you want a quarterback to have, you got to let him do it. You got to let him do it. I got to tell this story. I don't know if I'm getting in trouble or not. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to share this.

I don't even care. I don't even care, chat. I'm going to tell you about why the New England of Patriots were so goddamn good. Everybody in the chat, I know you saw the beginning of full metal jacket with the sergeant going off, cursing. And just, he was, he was on one in the beginning. beginning of the movie Full Metal Jacket. One day in practice, Bill O'Brien, obviously, the officer coordinator,

called in the plays. We're in practice, and Bill radios in the play in Tom's ear. I'm in the huddle. I'm assuming maybe Tom didn't get it. So Tom's sitting there with his head down, and he does one of these. Give me the play.

Give me the play again. And Bill must have said it again. He didn't hear it because the thing, the communication must have been off. And Tom, look back, give me the goddamn play. Bill, I gave you the fucking play already. I said it two fucking times. What I didn't fucking get it.

What the fuck you want me to do? Jesus Christ, aren't we in the middle of practice. We're in the middle of practice. And at that moment, I understood this is why. This is why The smallest things That period we were doing Where that one play

That one play didn't work And it didn't go right We started the whole Fucking period over Yeah We started the whole period over So we can get all the plays In succession

And get it the right way Yep I'm like what What? Yeah Bill over there With the whistle on his finger Toward

Yeah What are they running over here? No, it was unbelievable. No, there's so many stories. I can share that one. Some of the other ones is a little too graphic. Rather than rewarding running back for production once their rookie contract expire

has happened at almost every position, the NFL's 1991 MVP, my dog, Thurman Thomas, is upset that teams are instead letting them go and moving on to the next younger, cheaper player. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL cover zero.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You still deserve a contract. The first team has to put you through hell yet. I'm still ready to go. Haven't had any injuries. And I give me my damn money, Thurham, Toad, Associated Press. With such a turn on. it's a reason why only three running backs,

Barclay, McCaffrey, and Henry are averaging $15 million per this season as compared to 26 wide receivers. It's not even the receiver money. It's like we're hanging with the punters and the kickers. You're right. They're looking at it like, Ocho. The best year is on the tire of a car

is when it's brand new. Yeah. You drive that car all over the city. You put 50,000 miles on the car. The tires ain't the same. That's how they look at running backs, LT. That's how they look at y'all. They're like LT.

Yeah. Hold on. LT, we gave you the ball 270 times. And you caught 100 passes. That's 300 times. And you did that one, two, three. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no.

That's how they think. Yeah. But listen, but the Thurmond Thomas' point, that's how they think were the tier two and below running backs. The tier ones are the ones that are still making the big money. Not as much as the receivers. Not as much nowhere near the quarterbacks But the tier ones that can change your whole offense

Your tier ones to LT's point That can kill that time And let your defense rest for a little bit Especially in garbage time When it's time to end a game It's only a few It's only a handful of those That's why it's only a handful

Make 12, 13, 14, what? But damn near 20 Who makes 20? But think about guys, to Thurman's point Where does Saquan Barclay have to do To go get that money? Whether with the judge? or whether it with someone else?

Where did Derek Henry have to go, Ocho, to get that money? Was it with the Titans or was it with the Ravens? And remember last year, he played on $8 million deal. He had two years for $16 million. Oh, but they came back. They came back to him. Yes. So really the only guy that's ever gotten money at the running back position,

you've got to go back to Zeke. And Zeke was probably the one that really hurt because he was never the same after he got that money. And everybody looked at Zeke, and they said, hold on. Look at that offensive line he got. He got two for show Hall of Famers, a potential Hall of Famer that retired, the center retired because he's like,

I don't want to do it anymore. And Zeke just stepped off a cliff. Yards per game went down. Yards per carry get down. Don't remember. He heard his knee too. He heard his knee real bad. He didn't hurt his knee every year, Ocho.

But, yeah. But see, this is how you solved that. For one, the running backs that are game changed. The guys that can hit a home run from any spot on the field that can catch the ball and do everything, they're going to be the ones that have to change the game. And when I say change the game, guys, I'm meaning sign shorter deals. Strike when the iron is hot. Running backs two or three year deals.

You know, because think about it, most running backs, they can perform and perform at a high level early in their career. It doesn't take long for them to, you know, kind of become a staple in the offense and get going and become one of the top at their positions. It don't take long. So why can't you come back to the table after two and three years and then sign a shorter deal, a two-year deal, a two-year deal, let's say two-year $50 million. Oh, you ain't going to get that, Ocho. That's 20. I mean, let me tell you why they're not going to do it, Ocho. I mean, L-T, because in order for me you to give you a.

big signing bonus, I need to pro-rate it over the life of the contract. So even if I, if you want a two-year deal, let's just say, oh, LT, you want a two-year deal for $40 million. And I want to give you, I want to give you, I say I give you $20 million to sign. Well, I only get to pro-rate that over two years. So now that's 10, so let's just say for the sake of argument, I give you $2 million. So I give you $2 million. That's $12 million. And guess what? Now that's $28 million. That's $30. that next year is $38 million cap here. They're not going to let that happen. So, and plus when you were running back and you had your first round draft pick,

I got you for three years. Five years. I got you for five. Now, if I'm nice, if I'm nice and you on time and you haven't been injured, I'll do the deal after three. But if not, I know I got a fourth year, a fifth year option, and two franchise tag. So I got you for seven years and I ain't got to do nothing. That's nasty work.

It is absolutely. That's that Jerry Jones work you talk about right now. The next running back that's going to hit big and there won't be any question about it. There won't be, we don't really value the running back position because we know what you can get. One of the few players, one of the few running backs in the NFL that can hit their head off the goal post from anywhere on the field.

That's brother Jamir Gibbs down in Detroit. Yep. Oh, he, I'm talking about he going north of 17, 18. Oh, absolutely. John Robinson going to get paid too. yeah yeah okay yeah that's another they gotta go above 20 though guys like in order to reset the market for future guys in their position that everybody ain't gonna get that we know that everybody's not gonna get that but the special ones they got to get that you kid 20 that I'm surprised that they did this

for sayquine because think about it guys he got a 50 million dollar quarterback you got a 50 billion dollar quarterback you got a 20 dollar receiver too you got a 30 million dollar receiver a 28 million dollar receiver yeah yeah and you got a 20 million dollar running back and you got look at lane johnson what he made look at what my allotta made look at what dickerson's made they pay it yeah they did they just redid uh a brawn you know you got to see that that man child in the middle jalen carter you got to see him you got two guys on the edge that in another another year, you're going to have to see one of them. Listen, Jalen Cardiff, and reset the whole

market. Yeah. At every position. Well, I don't know if he's, I don't think you're going to catch Micah, but the number CJ, Chris Jones, Stone Co. Jones for the Kansas City Chiefs, he's at 31.5 for D.T. So he's way over everybody else at the DT position. Yeah, most definitely. What you're talking about the guy is 24, 25, but he don't realize how good he can be.

He still don't know how good he can be. Yeah. You know, you know why he's not going to catch Micah? Or he might not, he's going to overlap, he's going to leave Chris Jones. Yes. Because Howie and Jeffrey always pay early. They're not going to wait.

They're not going to pay early. You're not going to turn it down. And plus, Ocho, the sacks. D.T. Like I said, the thing is, what spoiled us was Aaron Donald. Donald, yeah. Because D tackle's not supposed to get 20 sacks L. They're not supposed to be getting 15 sacks.

You start to run, get us about seven or eight sacks. We have it. We have to be destructive. Yeah. Yeah. But I agree. But really the only guy, but you got two, for the longest time, nobody even approached Christian McCaffrey's, that 15, and Zeke's 15 for years.

It wasn't until Christian McCaffrey got a new deal from the 49ers. That leapfrogged. And then, because remember, the Giants didn't want to do anything with Saquan. They made him play on the franchise tag. And then they ended up letting him go. And when he let him go, he still didn't get past the 15. It wasn't until 2,000 yards. It wasn't until offensive player the year that he got, he broke the $20 million barrier.

Think about it. Derek Henry, he was on an $8 to $10 million a year contract. So he goes for 1921 and 1617 touchdowns before they finally put him at the 15. So somebody going, hey, in order to break the, to, to leap wrong, say, quad, boy, you, hey, you're going to have an LT season, 32 touchdowns, offensive player to your MVP. LT, if you want somebody to get $25 billion, they're going to have to be the season, because LT had damn 1900 yards, 30 plus touchdowns. He called another 50 passes for another 500 yards, unless you're going to have a season like LT had. Yeah.

That was that 05 season right when y'all came and played us it was 06 yeah the 06 yeah the 06 we played y'all y'all jumped up on it like I think it was like 21 zero godly that thing was rocking in there we don't know what happened um we we lost man but y'all just go ahead and walk them down there in LT yeah they just

hey hey um they're over there dancing and we're on the sound like clapping that Like, okay, they're good. It's first quarter. Y'all being good. LT, when you look around the league today and there's a lot of running back, what running back reminds you of yourself?

Man, that's a good one. I mean, you know, I see traces of myself in different running backs, you know? Like, I think when I think about the jump cut, you know, the balance, the spin and stuff, say Kwan kind of has that low center of grass. gravity, being able to bounce from hole to hole and then hit the whole, explosiveness.

But when I think about, like, coming out the backfield, you know, I came out to backfield a lot. Gibby, man, give me coming out that back. Because here's the thing that people misunderstand. When you're coming out the backfield, you've got to come out fast. You can't come out tipping, looking. You got to come out running, man.

You know, and so, because there's matchup. It's either going to be a safety or lie back on you. most of the time. So come out running, scare the daylights out of them, and then cut off of them. You know what I mean? That's what Gibby do so well. So I think those two, I mean,

there's a little bit Christian McCaffrey, some things that he does as well, man. Yeah, those are the guys. I don't think people understand how difficult the running back position is when it comes to those tier runoffice, LT, like you, Jamir Gibbs, Sequin, Derek Henry is a little bit different. He does not like you guys from a...

No, no, no. Here he's the old school bell come back. He's an old school bell come back. Yeah, yeah. But you are Jamir here, for example, and you too, LT, being able to get the ball and be at, be fast, being able to come to balance and be able to reaccelerate right right then and there and being able to set linebackers up, set safeties up,

still make a move and not move and not lose any, not momentum, but what's the word? No wasting movement. That's what I'm looking for. No waste of moving. Everything. everything in one transaction, one transition, everybody can't do that, man.

I told him, man, stop letting L.T run that damn Texas route on y'all. Knock his ass down. He didn't do it up and looking to cross your damn face. He's going to run two routes. He's going to run the flat. He'll come up and make you think he going to run the Texas and cross your face or he's going to break it out on your ass and haul ass on you.

Man, knock him down. I got to a point, though, you know, where they allowed me to stay up that seam if you, if you didn't, if you, If you stayed inside, I just stay in that scene. I did Denver like that up in my Ohio once. Went by 70 on.

You called us up. We played, y'all. I think that was my, I think that might have been my first year back. My first year back in Denver, where you hit it for like 200 and had 10 catches. I said, what day? I'm like, where he come from? man it's uh

like the running back position now LT you see a lot of guys because a lot of teams run a two-back system that's not what you had you had you were old school tight end full back in front of you low kneel yeah leading the weight

that that's that's what you had in today's game it's more of a two-back system how different is LT's career if he had to split if he had to split reps what do you mean

if I had to I wouldn't do it like no I was I was selfish I ain't coming out the game dog you know what I'm saying and that was part of the reason

why like I prided myself on being able to do everything so you didn't have to say oh he can't he can't block or he can't run this route or he can't catch I prided myself on that. And I wanted to take every

rep. I was just that competitive. Because I believe if I was on the sideline, something was going to have that, you know, like, I couldn't control. So, I couldn't do it today, man. And here's the other thing. Like, when you're the Bell Cow guy,

you're thinking the long call, huh? Ocho, you're thinking, okay, in the fourth quarter, is when I really got to get going. Let me you know, let me get my yards. I'm a step out of bounds here and there. I'm saying, I'm going to save myself, but in the fourth quarter, when the boys, a little bit of time, we'll give him the stiff on, you know what I'm saying, I'm going to run through

a couple of tackles. That's when, because that was something that Marty Schottenheimer instilled in me and pose your wheel throughout the game. I mean, I hear it playing in my mind like yesterday. That was something he always said, and we live by it. Yeah, y'all, I mean, you went to the perfect situation because Marty going to run to football. Marty going to run it Marty going to put that ball in your

belly LT. That's what Marty going to do. Hey, but here's the thing, though, y'all. So in college, think about it. I was a perimeter run. Yes. Like, you know, I was a sweep guy. You know, get on the perimeter, do my thing. Man, when I first got to San Diego

and Marty came in, he started talking about running power and going down the A gap. Hey, I used to bounce that thing. So much that joke, he used to get mad. He used to get Stay in the A gap. They trust it. I'm like, coach, ain't none to hell.

I got to bounce it. You know what I'm saying? But I had to learn, man. I had to learn how to be an inside runner. I didn't want to embrace it at first. But I'm glad I did, man. It did make me a better, obviously a better. Hell, y'all running that power.

Y'all pulling guard, tackle, and damn little low knee. Hell, you kick it out, pinning down. It did, here come low meal up in the hole on the linebacker. Now you're going on one with the safety. Hey, right. They're going to clear it out every time. Hey, them old school fullbacks like Sam Gash, I play with the gasher.

And Lo Neal, they're coming with bad intention. Head first. Oh, yeah. Next roll it all. Hey, Lo used to say, hey, before the play used to say, hey, daddy, get on my hip and don't dip. Let's go. That's what you did.

Hey, let's get a low kneel, man. Hey, get low kneel like one carry game on 31. You're good. Yeah. Yeah, you're good. You good. He bought in. He bought it.

He bought in. LT, man, you look like you don't, you don't lost a weight. Damn, you don't trim down. Ocho, man. I'm on his intermittent fasting, man. No, no. You know, yeah, man. I get my workouts every day, man.

I feel good, man. You got to come. I'm at playing weight. Yeah, LT, you might be on the 200, LT. I'm about $2.10. I'm about $2.10. You need to come holl at your boy. You know, I'm a nutritionist right now.

I'm a nutritionist. What that died like, though? You know the same thing I eat when I played? Yeah. McDonald. Don't, don't, go, don't. Hey, LT, don't for it. You know, 11 NFL teams already hired me to help with their nutrition,

so the players stop getting hurt. No, none of that soft tissue injury, no, non-contact, no, none of that. None of that's happening. No, you charge it too much. Oh, Cho, you know, I'm on a budget now. Hey, no, I'm trying, hey, LT, I charge $20 a week. That ain't nothing. That's still too much.

I mess with you. $10 I mess with it. Hey, LT, so when, what time do you eat your first meal? About one o'clock. So you get all your meals in between what, one and seven, one and eight? One and eight, yeah, one and eight, man. So you're going about 14 to 16 hours faster. Yep, yep, I do.

So when do you work out? You work out in the morning, so you're working out on the empty stomach. So you're doing fast to cardio. I am, yeah. Okay. I am, man. So I usually work out about 9 to 10 o'clock in the morning. I get up early, get the kids off.

off the school, you know, and then, uh, you know, I see, I will modify with coffee. So I'll have coffee in the morning by 10 ounces. That's it. Damn, but do you know how much 10 ounces is? 10 ounces. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, by 10 ounces. That's a, that's a can of Coke.

A can of Coke is 12 ounces. You got two fewer than that. But, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got nothing on your stomach. Yeah. Yeah, I love that coffee, man. So then I'll get my work at home. By that time, by that time, you know, it's around 12 o'clock.

And once I order food or cook food, it's one o'clock. So, yeah. L.G., you're going to go ahead, Ocho. I'm going to say, you smoke cigars? Yeah, absolutely. Yes, sir. I got a cigar lounge in my house, Ocho. What?

Yes, I got a cigar lounge. Hey, boy, you rich. Yeah. Hey, I got to leave home to go to the cigar bar. He got one in the house. Yeah. Oh, him and Joe, both of them got properties. No, my brother goes, he go on the back porch.

He's got no lounge at house. He's going to go to the back porch and blow it out. And LT, people always ask, it was me, you, and Time, and Carissa. And we had picked somebody, and I had picked them to win. And Time told me I didn't do that. And you said, he did, he picked him. I said, Time, I swear for God and two white men, I picked him.

And y'all. Oh, my God. But they don't really, oh, LT, the conversations that we had watching the games, me, you, and time, I'm glad because this is what kind of what, my mind is what I envision with Nightcap, to be was kind of, you know, we, yeah, we talk about games, but we talk about a lot of other things.

Man, Ocho, I was, that was some of my best work. LT said, man, L.T. told me, I need to be a comedian. Say, I don't know why you play football. You need to be a damn comedian. For real, dog. This man said two white men. Like, why I got to be too white, hey? Like, oh, they're the stakehold? Yeah, that was. You know, back in the day, you were alive before them now, because it was hell to pay them. You lied before them. But, man, that was some fun times, man.

Time and I talked about that, man. That was some great time. LT, thanks for joining us, man. Congratulations on the frogs going down to Chapel Hill, 4814 over the Tar Hills. Come back and join the later this season, LT. I definitely will, man. It's all, man.

I love, my brother. Love y'all, man. Appreciate it, bro. The NFL top 100, the top 10 NFL players were unveiled tonight. At number 10 was Patrick Sartain. At number nine, Patrick Sertained the second, excuse me.

Number nine, Justin Jefferson. Number eight, Miles Garrett. Number seven, Derek Henry. Number six, Joe Burrell. I don't know if y'all notice. Y'all keep talking about the SEC is dead, but the top, that's four, the top ten players right there. That's from that conference. Patrick Mahomes was number five.

Jamar Chase, another guy. I don't know if y'all noticed, but six of the top ten from the SEC, but that conference is dead. Number three is Josh Allen. Number two, Lamar Jackson. and the number one player voted by his peers Oh, Chow. Sequin Barclay.

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I'm Simone Boys. host of the Brightside podcast, and on this week's episode, I'm talking to Olympian, World Cup Champion, and podcast host, Ashlyn Harris. My worth is not wrapped up in how many things I've won, because what I came to realize is I valued winning so much that once it was over, I got the blues, and I was like, this is it. For me, it's the pursuit of greatness. It's the journey.

It's the people. It's the failures. It's the heartache. Listen to The Bright Side on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A.L.T. Ocho, are you surprised that Saquan beat I, Josh Allen, and Lamar to be the number one player in the NFL this season? Voting on by its peers. LT. I'm a bit surprised.

So am I. Because we're living in the world where it's all about the quarterback. and we know that. And rightfully so, I mean, Josh Allen is the reigning MVP, okay? So you would think that, you know, he would get the most votes from his peers. And even beyond Josh Allen,

Lamar Jackson, with the type of season he had last year, man, he had one of the top seasons from any quarterback in history. You hear me? So, you know, I'm very surprised. I mean, Sequin, I obviously had a spectacular year and, you know, got close to the Russian record,

of a single season, but he didn't get it. And so, you know, that holds weight that he didn't get it, but he did win the Super Bowl. So I think players at the end of the day are giving him credit for being, you know, going over 2,000 yards and winning the Super Bowl championship and being the catalyst for that Eagles team. And office a player to year.

That's right. And I think that had a lot to do with it. Look, I think he deserves it. Saquan has really elevated the running back position, the value, the value of the running back position. So hands down, I salute Saquan, man, for being the number one player. And we've talked more about the running back position in 24 and leading into 25 than we have at any point in time in the last decade, guys, because of what we saw with Derek Henry,

what we saw with Saquan Barkley, what we saw with Josh Jacobs, what we saw with Joe Mixing. There were a lot of running backs. Like, hold on, Jonathan Taylor. Hold on. They still got some. Jamir Gibbs. Don't forget. Jim Gibbs.

Yeah. So they're trying to say, look, there is still value when used correctly. So y'all want to put them behind. Y'all want to put them behind. No quarterback. So, so offensive line. Look at all these guys that we mentioned. Sequin Barkley.

Look at his quarterback. Look at his offensive line. Derek Henry. Look at his quarterback. Look at his offensive line. Joe Mixer, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line. Gibbs, look at his quarterback,

look at his offensive line. Josh Jacob, look at his quarterback. You see a real current theme here? Yeah. But see, but when a quarterback doesn't succeed, boy, they make a excuse in the world. Now, all of a sudden, the running back don't succeed. Oh, man, he's over the heel.

There ain't no value in him. No, you're right. Ain't nobody running behind that ain't got no line. And if I sit my defense and your quarterback can't beat me, I am not going to let you're running back beat me. You saw what the Chiefs tried to do in the Super Bowl guys. They say, we are not letting Sequin beat us. Josh, Jaylor Hurd said, okay, you know what?

I don't drag no beer, but hold it, Gingerill. I got something for y'all. I got something for y'all. Go ahead, Ocho. Are you surprised to see Seekwan to the top? You got two backs in the top ten. Top ten. Yeah, most definitely.

I wasn't surprised at all. Obviously, Seekwan is a tier one back, and those tier one backs are the reason why the value of the running back position is now prevalent because of players like Sequin. Obviously, being in the perfect situation, Eagles, opposite line, and he's one of the reasons why they were able to reach the Super Bowl, actually take them over the hump and getting back to the Super Bowl. Obviously, we have to give credit to their defense as well.

But Josh Allen had a great season. Lamar Jackson had a great season. But I think the number one spot was given to Seekwon, not with just his play on the field, but what he does also off the field, and the fact that he was able to win a run, when the ring was the cherry on top. So it was a no-brainer as far as

your peers picking him as number one. Yeah. So Sequin Barclay voted by his peers as the number one player in the NFL in the top 100. Lamar Jackson was second. Lamar Jackson was second last year. Josh Allen's number three. I think he was outside of the top 10. Jamar Chase was way

down. He's number four. Patrick Mahomes was number four last year. He's number five. Whoa. Whoa. What you mean way down? I think it was 35 last year, Ocho. Taste was. Yeah, he was, yeah. Oh, I thought you said way down. No, no, no.

I was saying compared to where he was last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lamar was two last year. I think Josh Allen was 12. I think Jamar Chase was like 35. Patrick Holmes was four. Joe Burrow was a little outside of the top 20, I think. Derek Henry, Miles Garrett was number five.

Justin Jefferson had coming off that sensational year. He got in, I think he got Nick, but Justin Jefferson has been a top player. he's been Mr. Consistent and, you know, defensive player to your Patrick's retained. But I think mainly with Sequin and Derek Henry, what they were able to do.

One guy went for 2000, the other guy went for 1921. First time I got his rush for 1900 yards didn't win the rushing title. So that just goes to show you how well the other guy played. Because normally LT, you get 1900 yards. You're like, yeah, I got that rush.

I got that thing in the bag. Yeah. What? Absolutely. And let's keep this in mind, the easiest way to win games are still running a football. I mean, because you take away the chances of turning it over and crazy things happening.

When you can run the football and impose your wheel, you know, cut down on the game, you help your defense and all that kind of stuff. So I think at the end of the day, that's why we're starting to see just a little shift. I'm not saying we're going completely back to when you, when we were replayed. No, no, no, no, not 90, $30,000, no.

We ain't going to never get back there. No, we ain't going to never get back there. But I think there is more teams that's starting to focus on the run game a little bit more to control games, especially when you have a young quarterback or a quarterback who can manage things at the line of scrimmage. Like all the ones you mentioned, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, all those guys that have good running backs as well. Well, it's not going back because you see where these quarterback salaries are going. You're about to have a quarterback making $70 million. You're not paying a guy $70 million to turn around and hand it to a guy that's making you.

10 million. That ain't happening. We pay it, we pay, we pay, we pay, we pay, we pay you 70 million to throw it to a guy that's making 40. Mm-hmm. So that's why we, you're never going to see. And plus, why would you? Because guess what? I can get a rough in the passer.

I can get illegal contact. I can get unnecessary ruffets. I got so many things that can go right if I just throw the football. You see deep. But you're still putting that, that's 70 million dollar quarterback in jeopardy. If you got a defense that's in there. Yeah. But for 70 million dollars.

I'm in Jeopardy. You see what Josh Allen, you see what Josh Allen just got this offseason L.T? 330 million, a quarter of a billy, guaranteed. But, you know, you got to think about two, you got to remember this NFL, too, LT, this is the passing league.

And backs that can take that time off the clock, that can get the defense of wrestle on the sideline, it's only a handful of them. It's only a handful of them bulls, like they can really carry that whole offense on their back where you don't even have to. the ball when it comes to crunch time and you want to buy some time and take some time

off the clock. It's only a few now. Oh, yeah. There's only a handful of guys. I remember when Peyton Manning came to the Broncos, I mean, he got like $96 million for five years. I mean, just think about that. Just, just Wow. And what?

For the longest time, 25 million was pretty good money for, it was great money for a quarterback. And then it went to 30. And then they're like, no, 30 ain't nothing. Now they're, now, Now you're at $60 million. Yeah.

60 million dollars. And guess what? LT, we know this, Ocho. They're going to add another game. Oh, yeah. It's going to be 18 games. Oh, yeah. I give it five years.

They're going to add another playoff game too. That's coming. Because YouTube, YouTube won't end on this action. They want to become a network. And the only way to come a network, you've got to have live sporting events, mainly the NFL. Guess who else want to going to get in on that? Netflix Amazon

Amazon said You know Look, we love that Thursday night package We really do guys We don't want you to think we're greedy But we are We like Black Friday football That Friday game after Thanksgiving

But I mean we could really use a package And you're talking about somebody That's sitting on hordes of cash Somebody that's sitting on 30, 40, 50, 100 billion in cash And the one thing, hey money talk cash screams so we're going to see what's happening

but it's coming it's coming what was it he said coach what you call him saying by 2025 he close they wanted to be a $20 billion industry they're close 2030 30 30 billion dollars a year so so let's let's sit

with that one for a minute because I got a question. Okay, so that means that the season going to have to be prolonged a little bit because the player is going to want another two by weeks. We used to have two by weeks, LT, before you got in the league back in the mid-90,

you had two by weeks. Yeah, we had two yeah, in the 90s. Wow. Yeah, you had two by, you got to have it. But also, L.T, man, they're going to be playing the Super Bowl the goddamn going to thank Patrick's day.

Right. That's what I'm thinking. Because you started after Labor Day. If you got two by weeks, think about it. You're already at the second week. You're already at the second week in what you come. So now if you add another, a playoff game, you're going to be damned near St. Paddy's Day.

You damn show you have the President's Day in February. You're going to be the third, hey, you're going to be the third week, fourth week, well, there's only four weeks in February anyway. But you might be playing on leap year. but that's what that's what the money is because what else can you do the only thing you can do is give them another game there ain't nothing else you can do in the game within the game you can only give them an additional game to create additional revenue revenue yeah and these owners the one thing we know about them they can know you can never that's one thing you've

never heard somebody say people have said i got too many pairs of shoes i got too many too much jewelry I got too many cars, I got too many homes. Name the person that's ever saying, man, I got too much money. Yeah, you're right. But listen, this evening. Also, even, you got to remember, too. If they are adding the game,

even no matter how long it is, if the season goes in the second, third week of February, the players understand they're getting a bigger piece of the pie, too. They're getting a bigger piece of the pie. Now, we don't know what it's going to look like yet. All I want that pie, Ocho,

I don't want any, don't franchise me. No franchise. I want lifetime, if I get 10 years in the league, L.T. Ocho, I won't lifetime health benefits. That should be a bare minimum, Ocho. LT, that should be a bare minimum. Because let's just say for the sake of argument, you get health insurance for five years after you retire. Yes. The average career is about two and a half to three years.

Okay, you retired 25. Bru, you ain't going to have no illness, nothing really major. Some. At 30, you need that issue, 65. Down the road. Yes. I mean, you can, you know, you can prolong it. You can take the five years anytime you want to. But, but at 30, from 25 to 30, nah, no, no, no. I won't, if I get 10 years, I won't lifetime health benefits. I won't, and guess what, I don't want you to be able to franchise me. Yeah. No. And all this. Well, they got to pick one or the other, huh? You know how this.

I want both of them. Oh, show, you don't. how this works. You got to come to the table and the owners are going to tell you you're going to get one thing. Which one do you want? Do you want lifetime benefits? Well, then that's what we're going to work out of deal to make it happen. And then the players going to have to tell you what you get one. You want an extra regular season game or an extra playoff game? You get one. Hey, listen, the player, the players got one person on A-L-T that a fight for him. One person you put me in position of power to represent the players

I'm gonna get us lifetime benefits no franchise tag and what's the other one guaranteed contracts that's my three I don't know I'm telling you LT I'm telling you once I put that suit on

once I put that suit and that tie on then you put me in the right room and I flip that switch where it's a rap but the players have got to get something But they bargained for petty privileges way back when, L.T. Because, see, you bargained and talking about, well, I don't want to do two of days.

Well, I don't want to put the pads on but so many times during the course of the year. Bro, you play the game of football. You play tackle football, but you don't want to tackle? Yeah. Yeah. So you bargain for predate privileges. Go look at what Roger Goodell bargained for. Look at what they bargained for.

Different. Now, Roger Goodell ain't taking no hits. He got lifetime medical. He gets use of the job. jet you see what he bargained you see the difference between bargaining what i'm bargaining for and what you bargaining for he won't benefits they think a long term too even though he's making 30 40 million dollars a year he wants someone else to pay for those lifetime benefits but um why you think i mean think about it why as players the current players why aren't they thinking about

lifetime benefits why isn't that area of focus i'm not i'm not going to get a debilitating illness I'm not going to get anything that's going to disrupt what I've already got. I remember, and I'm not going to call anybody's name because I was in the league when free agency actually happened, LT, and there are a lot of guys, man, you give me a million dollars, damn them benefits, I buy my own health insurance. Now, I ain't telling what somebody told you, I'm telling what I know. Because I was in the league when the Reggie White and the self-joiners, when they filed that petition, and it came and we got free agency.

And that's what a lot of guys say. You give me a million dollars. You give me $2 million. I buy my own health care. That's right. And that's my point, that's my point, because most players feel like that.

We invests it. We never think about what's going to happen, you know, after we retired 10, 15 years after we retire. We never think about that. We are warriors. We only think about what's happening now and getting as much money as possible for us to live off of. And see what happens,

you get a situation where you get a divorce or you have a couple of kids outside. And next thing you know, 5,000, 10,000, 15,000 a month. The wife take half. She takes half your pension. So now you have the person that you went into the relationship with. Now, long term, because if somebody would have told me when I was 25, 30, 35, 40, that I was going to have both of my hips replaced. I wouldn't have believed it. So now you talk about a $125,000 surgery per okay

you get I mean some of these cancer drugs you're talking about 30 40,000 dollars a month a what a month a month a month a month yes so like LT to your point LT

we don't think we think we're invincible and things that that happen to normal citizens that didn't play in the NFL that ain't going to happen to us we we're not going to become a burden, we're not going to have Alzheimer's, we're not going to have dementia,

we're not going to suffer Lou Gehrie's, we're not going to suffer things. That is a stress when you have to have 24-hour care. Boy, that, hey, boy, that'll eat, that, that'll eat up a savings. And so they don't, you don't, you don't think about things like that. But I wish the players would think, give it more, more consideration when they think long term, say, like, you know what? Okay. Yeah. But a lot of, and plus guys, other sports, they think about the guys that's coming after them.

You see, Kurt Flood, he never benefited for free agency, cost him his career, but everybody else that did. You see, nobody is willing to risk anything that might cost them. Right. And the thing is, Ocho, and I told, T, I told Ocho this, sometimes you got to plant a tree, realizing that you're not going to benefit from the shade, it produced. Sometimes you've got to fight for something that you're not going to be the benefits of what you're actually fighting for. Think about all the people in the 60s that fought for civil rights. Never got a chance. Come on now.

That never got a chance to sit at a, to go to a non-segregated place. That never got an opportunity to do anything but sit in. the back that never got an opportunity to see a black president that never got an opportunity to some of the things that we get afforded sometimes you have to be willing to sacrifice some things for the betterment of everything and i don't think enough people think of it like oh joe micha parsons was reportedly viewed by some cowboys teammates that's egotistical and self-centered oh man hold on sports illustrated average Brill reports Martin, Lamb, and Prescott are very popular in the locker room.

That's Zach Martin, C.D. Lamb, D. Prescott. That's not the case with Parsons, who has rankled teammates in different ways seen by some as egotistical and self-centered. His podcast, which we knew, Ocho, has created issues too, and they go all the way up to the quarterback, Dak, Prescott. We said that we start hearing negative comments about Michael. Ocho, what did I tell you? We just think. We just When we had this conversation, I said, oh, Cho, now pretty soon, you're going to start hearing negative comments about Marcus, Stephen, that longer. I think it's coming, Ocho.

I know it's coming. But I always felt because here's the thing, Ocho. You do a podcast. Yes, sir. You lose, the first day they're going to say, if you get your ass out of the podcast and practice and study your play, you win games. In order for your podcast, you've got to be interested, you've got to be entertaining. So you've got to take shots at other people.

And, you know, I think there was a situation. Wasn't they talking about quarterbacks? And he didn't have DAC in his top five or something like that? I remember that. So, yeah, I get it. I don't have a problem. I think the thing is, Ocho, a lot of people want to get on the media, going to get in the media space.

And they're trying to create that medium now. But you have to be careful. You really have to be careful. I tell guys, look, If CBS or Fox or NBC calls you and they ask you, go do it on your biweek. Right. Go to your local news station. Talk sports.

Talk to the guy that does sport. That's what I did when I was in Denver. I had a local radio show. But when they called me, hey, I would go do highlights. Right. But this podcast, I mean, you have to be careful. And plus, and I'm going to turn it over to you, Ocho. Everybody is not going to be like in a locker room.

I don't care how great you are. There are going to be some people that you're going to rub the wrong way. You don't talk too much. You standoffish. You don't talk enough. You don't ingratiate yourself to the locker room. So everybody is not going to be beloved. That's okay.

That's okay. But I knew this podcast would cause an issue. Go ahead, on Joe. It shouldn't have. There's no reason it should cause the issues. Anything Micah decides to do outside of the game of football when he's not playing, when he's not in meetings, when he's not playing a game, you know, it's all for. I'm all for it. If you know Michael, if you met him personally, you understand he's a very

playful, fun, loving guy. He's not, he's a likable person. He's not in the type of place that you could, you can, you can not like, you know, or one of those people who come to work and is strictly business, he doesn't associate with you. No, he's friendly. So again, when things like this come out, of course, those who might not like them or those who probably don't do their goddamn job on Sundays at 1 o'clock. I bet I bet, I bet you that. Those who don't like them are the ones who don't show up like he showed up the past four years and doing what he's supposed to do and being one of the few who's had 12 sacks in the last four years at his position.

I guarantee you that. Let's pull up the stats for the people or the person that's in that locker room that claims they don't like him. And I guarantee you it doesn't live up to the standard at their position that he lives up to it his. I bet you that. It's always a maintenance-ass shit. I'm sorry.

It's always someone that's not frowned upon someone. else who's doing something outside of the building, but they handles their business inside of the building, especially in between the lines. That's it. It is. But I'm not, look, I'm not surprised. I'm sure there are a lot of people that like me in Denver. Some didn't.

Some people like me in Baltimore. Some didn't. I guess some a little more now than others, but hey, that's neither here nor do that. Ocho, you know, Cincinnati? Hey, that threw me for a loop. That threw me for a loop. I mean, I know, I know, I don't. But I'm just, yeah.

It threw a lot of people for a loop, Ocho. But I looked. It's over with now. And let's go to that right here. So because it's just add, just add some layers to her. Just a week ago, Dack said he was confident Parsons would be on the field for the Cowboys matchup week one. Well, Dak has a new tune since Michael

got dealt. I definitely think he was going to get trade. I definitely didn't think he was going to get traded, but just the way their negotiations went down, obviously to the some extent, hell, y'all were asking me questions. Remember, I see that's how it becomes a distraction because you're not asking me about the game. You're asking me about Michael's contract. Yeah, y'all was asking me question. It seemed like it had gotten personal, which we said that it had become personal. And so that's why I wasn't surprised. Yeah, I told you, It's Jerry's Eagle. Mm-hmm.

Now, it came out the day that DeRond Blan got a contract extension. Yeah. But did you, hold on? Well, deserve. Well, deserve. But they had been working with his representative since off-season. Jake Ferguson got a deal. They had been working with his representative all off-season.

They're trying to get Tyler Smith done. They're working with his representative. You see here, Ocho? Yeah. See how Jerry's ego? Jerry's ego wouldn't let him work with Michael's agent because I'm going to show you I do what I want to do and if you want to do a deal here you're going to do it my way

so if you work with all of those guys representative he worked with CDs representative he worked with DAG's representative I just listed three guys represented that he worked with but for some reason he was unwilling to work with Michael's representative he took that friendship in those conversations to heart he took those friends friendship, those conversations in that friendship, the heart. And Micah, Micah split that right down the middle.

Listen, I play for your team. You sign my checks, but when it comes to conducting business, you're going to have to talk to my representation. Even after whatever handshake, whatever words might have been exchanged. That's not the way contracts work. That's not the business works. You were trying to undermine Michael Parsons. You were trying to pay him not what he's worth, obviously,

because he mentioned about what he was offering, but the offering that he was paying Michael to make him the highest paid was before T.J.Y. got paid. It was before Miles Gary got paid. And plus, I'm going to make you the highest paid, but you added years.

You added a year to it. Trying to be slick. Try to be slick. Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett got four years 160. No, bro. I'm not going to let you do that. I shook your hand, but I told you,

call my agent. call my representative. You won't call the representative back? No. You're trying, no, no, no, no, no. They told you, no, we don't, you want to do a five year plus the option, that's six years.

Most agents want to keep that thing for a plus to one because I want another bite at this. Now, because once Michael contract, once his, that 3136 guaranteed money, so within the first three years, he's not going to have any more guaranteed money the back end, Ocho.

So now, and plus, that means his, his cap number is going to be extremely high because I get to pro rate that 120 over a five-year period. So I try to, try to div it up equally. But at the back end, those last couple years, Ocho, that thing going to be high to drive here. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So now I come back to the table. Well, you know, hey, you know, six years. No, Michael says, hey, I'm 26.

I can get another bite of this apple at 30. Mm-hmm. Oh, y'all have to see your boy at 30. 30. Come on, now. But that's what I'm looking at. I'm like, hold on. What do you mean they talk to, they talk to the Ron Blan's representative?

What do you mean they talk to Jake Ferguson's representative? What do you mean they're looking to talk to Tyler Smith's representative? Right. Michael just asked to talk to my representative. No, we had a deal. No, we didn't. I shook your head and told you, call my agent. Right. He knew what the agent was going to say.

Oh, he'd know. No. Hey, wait, the supposedly the best agent in the game? Oh, you knew exactly what he was going to say. You knew exactly. You can't pull a fast one on the agent. Right. Pull a fast one on the player.

Yeah, because he's looking at it. He's looking at that. Man, 200 million, Ochoo. No, no, no, no, no. See, it looked good. It looked good. But the agent, the agent got a magnifying glass. Let me peel back some of these layers

that there's $200 million you're talking about. You know? Yeah, I got light on, Ocho. You know what I was dark in the room? Bocho, I can't your feet. I need the-you-you-go and you're going to be a restaurant-o and they hand you to the menu.

I pull out my phone and I quit putting that light on. And, oh, look at these prices. Damn. Hey, it never, it never, ever seems what they say it is. Never. That's why you need representation. That's it.

I'm not, Joe, I'm not saying we've seen guys, we see Lamar and his mom, and with the help of an NFLPA lawyer, do the contract themselves. But they made it abundantly clear. We're not hiring representation. We'll do something hourly. We'll get an NFLPA. We saw Bobby Wagner do that. We saw Sherm do his own contract. Okay, if the guy says I'm doing my own contract, I got no problem with that.

You can, the owner, the general manager can work directly with the player. You see Shea Gildges. Now, it's a lot easier in basketball because. you either get in the max or damn near close to a max deal. So Shea says, I'm not going to hand over three, four percent when I already know I'm going to get the max. Right. Got it.

Got it. But in the NFL, hey, Lamar says I feel I can go out alone. That 3% I can keep that in my pocket. And when you're dealing with that kind of money, it's 3% don't seem like much. When you start dealing $100, $200, $300 million, $3 a damn lot of money. A whole lot of money. So with that being said, he knew Michael had representation. Now, he worked with everybody else's representation.

Now, if that's what I read was correct, it says he worked, they've been working with De Ron Blan's representation all offseason. Same thing with Jake Ferguson, and they're working with Tyler Smith, trying to get something done now. We know they work with Dak Prescott. He's the highest pay.

He didn't do a deal directly with that. He worked with Todd France. Who's the CD's agent? He worked with that. But for some reason, I just need to know why was he so unwilling to work with David Mugoletta. I just need somebody to explain that to me. I also probably understand maybe he didn't want to pay Michael all along.

Maybe he didn't want to pay Mike all along understanding that he had other deals coming off the table like the Ron Bland or whatever he can get ready to do with Jake Ferguson or whoever else they might pay before the season. But they see A. Okay. Okay, they would CAA. Yeah, but here's the thing, what you know, if that's the case, If you needed to stop the run, if you didn't like the way Michael was hurt, if you don't think Michael, so why would you negotiate it? So why would you want to do a deal with the guy?

If he is not what you think he is or he's not the player, so why would you even enter, why would you even try to work a deal with it? Why not just go ahead and trade it? Why not get a draft pick this year? Because he was lying to itself. Oh, he was lying to us trying to make us believe that he's the reason. Yes.

Believe like, okay, now he's gone. Well, we let him go because, hey, we do. need to get better stopping the run. Child, please. Stop playing. Yeah. You hadn't been able to stop the run for four years. So what you got all those defensive tackles for?

You see, the problem that I have is that your defense was not built to stop the run. Your offense was. And Shannon, what do you, and I know, chat, you're asking me and say, well, Shannon, what do you mean by that? His offense was built to get the lead. And so now his defense pinned their ears back. They're an undersized defense. And as long as you can keep the game close or you can get the lead, you can pound their ass. Pause.

You can run the ball. Because I know what y'all go. I know y'all go, y'all about to say some crazy stuff. So in other words, you can run the ball on them because they're built to play with the lead and get pressure. Now, guess what? They ain't got no lead. They have to stand up in there.

And a lot of those guys ain't got a whole lot of bricks in their back pocket. So when you build your team a certain way, well, you build your team with speed. you need to be able to use it. And if you got a team that want to run the football, speed don't help you. No. At all. So that's one of the things.

And look, and people like, well, Dak could have, no, if I'm Dak, I ain't doing nothing. I'm getting all my money. Oh, absolutely. My job, my job. You tell us with players. Ocho, what they tell us? He's a player.

Well, if I'm a player, my job ain't tried to figure out the cap. You figure out the cap. You don't pay me extra work on the cap. You pay me a salary to do what I do on the football field. All that other stuff, it ain't my job to worry about the cab. Well, you know they got a cab and you can only do so. I ain't got nothing to do with me. You know what else?

You know what else works in favor, especially in quarterback positions, especially in Dax position. There have been other quarterbacks that have been in great situations with the timing of when it's time for them to get paid. There's nowhere else for that team to go. Right. There's nowhere else for that team to go to get some. one that's competent enough to come in, come in and

be quarterback number one. So you ain't got no choice but to pay these young fellas what they owe at the time. You ain't got no choice because there's no other option. Right. And plus I'm not, first of all, I don't trust Jerry. Jerry ain't built nothing in 30 years. So why would I, why am I going to leave

him money on the table? Why am I going to, first of all, this is my really first big bite at the Apple. Why am I going to give a guy that's worth $15 billion? Why am I going to give him a discount? Absolutely not. Chat, let's just say for the of argument, you work for a company, and that company is worth $20 billion. And they say, you know

what, hey, uh, uh, uh, uh, Charlene, we want to get Pam in HR, but it's going to cost us, you're going to take $15,000 of your money. Well, Charlene ain't going to be in HR because you ain't taking a dime of mine. So, no, you don't give no billionaire, no discount. You're a millionaire. Now, if the next contract, that wants to be generous enough. That's different.

That's on him But I feel no obligation To cut you a slack So you can No, no, no, that ain't got nothing to do with me Not that first one No. No, sir

Because what Jerry say When CBS, I don't know if you watched this CBS had had the broadcast right A lot of the other owners CBS was losing money A lot of the other owners wanted to keep CBS as the broadcast partner Jerry said no we're not cutting them a deal

We're not going to do it But see, Jerry refute, go as CBS, go as NBC, go as Fox, go as Amazon, go as Netflix. Did y'all get a deal with these NFL rights? They didn't get a deal, but they expect players. Well, shut up there's a cap. What do they got to do with me? Ain't no cap on my bank account. My bank account says there's much money that'll pour in, we can take it.

that he got nothing to do with me because teams will make as much money as they can now it's going to something very interesting Ocho now you watch with these next contract watch around 28 because these things come do they come and do Ocho about 20 to 2020 about 10 years watch around 28 when they start doing it

what? You two are going to say hey we want some of this Netflix going to say hey man live programming we want some of this right Amazon said who oh man oh man i see what we do it hey i see it we do it with these thursday night games i see what we do with these black friday games who just imagine we get a whole package so that 430 that 432 going to probably be 650 come 2028 20 to 9 yeah i'm gonna get me a little piece of that

too hey so i right man please yeah we're gonna get me a little piece of that i need to hollet i need to holler at Jeff. I got a, I got an interview with Jeff Bezos for a position over, over at Amazon. So I'm excited to see how that's going to go. All right. The Cowboys agree to turn with cornerback to Ron Blan. Four years, $92 million with an extension of 50 million guaranteed. And, Ocho, he got, what, $20 million at the time of signing. Blan average, $23 million, makes him the six highest paid corn in the league. Blan and one-time pro bowl or the one-time all pro from his nine interception 23 to 23 campaign in which he delivered a record setting five pick sixes is part of a prolific cornerback corner see a cornerback duo with trevon

digs he earned it oh yeah absolutely you got nick last year but his first year I think he had five picks he turns around get you a 14 he got nick hey you believe he's your guy you got you got you got a little extra money stashed away since you didn't sign micah Hey, we're good. They're good. I like it. Yeah, he definitely earned that. I'm excited to see him back.

I'm excited to see when Trayvon, when Trayvon did comes back, you know. So I think they, defensively, I'm not sure what the Cowboys going to look like, but they're going to have some bright spots at certain positions. I'm going to say it like that. They're going to have some bright spots at certain positions. Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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