Club Shay Shay - Best of NFL News Part 1: Rico Dowdle talks REVENGE game vs Cowboys, Titans FIRED Head Coach 6 games into the season!

Episode Date: October 18, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL storylines of the week! Unc and Ocho react to the Tennessee Titans firiing Head Coach Brian Callahan 6 games into the season. Plus, Panthers RB, Rico Dowdle and Raiders LB, Devin White both join the show! 0:00 - Panthers RB, Rico Dowdle, joins the show!12:51 - Raiders LB, Devin White, joins the show!37:44 - George Pickens addresses upcoming free agency53:06 - Titans fire Head Coach Brian Callahan 6 games in (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

From NBA champion Stefan Curry comes Shot Ready, a powerful never-before-seen look at the mindset that changed the game. I fell in love with the grind. You have to find joy in the work you do when no one else is around. Success is not an accident. I'm passing the ball to you. Let's go. Steph Curry redefined basketball.

Now he's rewriting what it means to succeed. Order your copy of the New York Times bestseller Shot Ready. Today at Stefan Currybook.com. The NFL is rolling. That's right, and you should be listening to NFL Daily as we march along to Super Bowl 60. It's in the name, NFL Daily, so you'll have fresh content in your feed all season long. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, in an all-star cast of co-hosts for previews and recaps of every single game. NFL Daily will keep you up to date with everything you need to know so you can sound smarter than all your friends.

Listen to NFL Daily on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Purchase necessary, void where prohibited, ends 2,826, open to legal residents of the 50 U.S. States and D.C. 18 and over. For complete details, how to enter, prizes and official rules, visit Toyota's Game Day Giveaways.com. Welcome to, in case you missed it with Christina Williams, the podcast that's your go-to source for women's hoops. From buzzer beaters to breaking news, I bring you the highlights, analysis, and expert insights you need to stay ahead of the game. The people have spoken, and it's time to give the stories that matter most the spotlight. Listen to in case you missed it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

And remember, in case you missed it, don't worry. I've got you covered. Hey, everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Six, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. We study the tape, talk to decision makers, and give you a perspective you won't find

anywhere else. It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sundays. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Simone Boyce, host of the Brightside podcast, and on this week's episode, I'm talking to Olympian, World Cup Champion, and podcast host Ashlyn Harris. My worth is not wrapped up in how many things I've won

because what I came to realize is I valued winning so much that once it was over, I got the blues, and I was like, this is it. For me, it's the pursuit of greatness. It's the journey. It's the people. It's the failures. It's the heartache. Listen to The Bright Side on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's your favorite sports funk here.

Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're going to make Ocho crack. We got a very special guest joining us. He had a monster game the week before. He told his former team, y'all buckle up. Buckle up. Buckle up.

And lo and behold, he came and. gave them that work, uh, 186 yards. I think he had over 230 y'all. I think he had like 230 of a total offense with receiving and running the football. Rico Douddle joins us. Rico, how you doing, bro? Great, man.

Can't complain. How you doing? I'm doing amazing. I'm doing amazing, bro. Hey, all is, all is well, RD. Before, before, um, stars, my, my first question. My first question to you, would you come into the game like that? Obviously, seeing what you had to say, giving the team bulletin board material before

the game even started. Did you have a chip on your shoulder? Did you have a chip on your shoulder going to that game? Oh, yeah, for sure. You know, that was one of those games. I had a circle early on in the season, but I think I always play my shoulder since coming in to the league. So it's always a tip on my shoulder when I step out there. Okay. I was surprised because you said this. They know what, look, you were there. So they know what type of person you are. They know what type of running back you are. Do you think they underestimated you? They're like, man, this Rico just doing talking. Man, Rico ain't going to do none of that on us.

I mean, because obviously, you said it. I mean, you just came off a monster performance the week before. And you called him out. You said, hey, buckle up. Yeah, they probably underestimated me a little bit because they know, like you said, they know I talked to, like, and I'm going to talk a little bit. He actually told me that before the game. Sam, I talked to Sam before the game.

He was like, yeah, man, I told him. Sam Williams, correct the lineback. He was like, I told him that's just you. don't talk, da-da-da. I don't know what the chatter was in the locker room, but I don't think they relayed the message to the 14th about it. I got more. I don't think they did it for sure. Yeah. I think, obviously, R.D., I've been high on the Carolina Panthers for a very long time. Obviously, before the season started, I continuously said it over and over and over for those in the chat that are watching. I'm not sure if you heard it in general. I was very high on them.

And I said they were one of the two teams to watch this year. And I said they were surprised everybody. You guys are playing extremely well. And after last week's game, what is it that you guys need to continue to build on to make sure everything continues to go in the right direction? I said headed towards. Yeah, I'd say just really playing a complimentary, complimenting football, all three phases, offense, defense, special teams.

I think that's one of the main things. And just, like, long as we do that, I think we'll be fine, not hurting ourselves how we did. early in games having to dig out of the whole early if it was penalties, turnovers and things like that. So I think if we do that and just continue to do that and be able to execute, keep executing at a high level, I think we'll be fine. Okay. How disappointed were you? You came in, you run for over 1,000 yards, and you're like, man, I had a good season. Oh, okay, I'm young and ain't got a whole lot of mileage on me. I know they're going to cut. I know

they're going to break your boy off. I'm going to be able to stay here. I got a, I'm settled here. I like it here. They know what they got with me. I know what I have with them. And then come free agency. And I don't know if they called you. I don't know if they lowballed you. Walkers through your thought process after the season ends. You have your exit meeting with your running back coach, maybe the head coach, the general manager. Walkers through the steps up until you made the decision, you're going to Carolina. Yeah. So they, um, they never made an offer at all. Um, so just going through when we got out my agent, we obviously thought we would get

something here back from them, but they're just the kind of team, they like go test the market, let us know what you're here, and then come back and let us know and we'll see if we could do something with it. So it was that kind of situation. They told me to go out, they're going to let me test the market, and so I didn't take a liking of that because I thought maybe

what I've been through during my five years and what I was able to do once I was given the opportunity to run the ball, what I was able to do. I thought maybe they would have an offer, but you know, they didn't, and it worked out for me in this way and I'm getting a show now. So happy where I'm letting know. With them telling you to go test the market

and they'll see, that probably kind of left you feeling some type of way like, no, bro. It's like, bro, hey, you tell you, girl, you go test the market. If you find somebody out there, you like, somebody like you out there, I might come back and take you up. But if not, you don't, hey, you're welcome to go. No, bro.

You set me free. I'm good. Yeah, definitely don't work like that. But yeah, definitely left I wouldn't necessarily say I was just too disappointed because I know the nature of the business and how they operated. I mean, I was a free agent the year before

and they pretty much told me the same thing, but I ended up signing back there. So, yeah, I just know the nature of the business. So I couldn't take harp on it too much, just know I had to look for the next best opportunity for me and why I can go make an impact. You look at the situation, Dave Canalis, your head coach. He was very non-committal.

Chuba Hubbard is coming back. you rush for 389 yards in the past two ball games 473 yards of total offense and he was like they asked him Sunday after the game he's like hey Rico's playing extremely well we're definitely going to have a package

but he didn't say who's going to start when that first offense run out there on the field is a Rico running out there with him? No, we'll see Sunday when the game Coach had hit really put too much into it but

He just saying we'll see when the game comes. We're going to go through this week and then when the game comes Sunday, we'll see. And, you know, and honestly, honestly, that's not a bad thing. When you think about it, obviously, I know you want to be the starter. You want to be the one to get the bulk of the carries. But when you have a two-headed muscle like you and Hubbard back there like that, it opens up everything else. Man, because of what you did last week, you don't, you don't understand.

I mean, as a player, I think you might get it. But as a fan of the game and watching and understanding that and played it, but what you just did last week it makes it that much easier for whoever's calling the plays whether it's Dave or what's the officer coordinator you made Bryce Young job easier you made every receiver T-Mac

and Leggett and Hunter you made all their jobs either because now when you play oh for a goddamn already in the game safety man come on down in that bump please every time every time you end the game

the defense is checking there's something different because you are the one threat offensive that you got to worry about Yeah, for sure. I definitely follow what you're saying there. That's one thing I think it's going to help expand the whole offense, play action. They've got to respect to run.

I think it's going to open up your patch for sure. Oh, yeah. So what if your coach, what if Coach Canales, their head coach, what is your running back coach told you? Okay, you know Hubbard is going down. This is your opportunity because, you know, you split in carries and, you know, he gets hot and you might not get the amount of carries because running, I mean, most skill position is all about rhythm.

And it's hard to get a rhythm. You get one carry, you get a carry, the first drive, and then you might not get another carry to the third drive. And then you might have five carries in the first half and only get two. So now would you be in the big time running back, the full time running back, now you're able to get into a rhythm. What does coach tell you just like, okay, just make sure you stay, keep your head in the game, make sure you stay ready.

Is that some of the things that your coach and your position coach have relayed to you? Yeah, so, yeah. Going into it, I only talk to my running back coach about him. He's like, just kill you. you know when the opportunity the opportunity is presented this up to go out there and show what I can do just make sure I made the most of it and I think I was able to do that absolutely one year deal so would you like to remain with Carolina long term or you like look I'm gonna take it one year at a time I'm gonna go out here and play my absolute best this year and then I'm gonna let the chips fall where they may ain't nothing promised the only thing I can promise you I'm gonna give you everything I got every down on my life yeah exactly so exactly that's how I'm gonna them, so on that. Just go out there, take it this year, and then see how it goes.

Just got to be productive. I know it's a production-based business. So as long as I'm productive, the rest of taking everything. Yeah. Do you look back, do you are like, yeah, that's good. Y'all should have kept me. Would you look up on your former team and you see them struggling?

And you're like, yeah, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, that's what you get. Do you, because I understand that you have friends over it. I mean, you still use there for five years. So you do you have built relationships. But it's not like, I want y'all to have success. Yeah, no, I don't really look at it like that.

Like you said, a lot of those guys are my friends, I ain't really rooting for that downfall. The dude that got over there, Giovante, he's been having a pretty good season too. Yeah, he's been having a pretty good season too. But yeah, I'm not really, I wouldn't really be rooting on that down for him to win and things like that.

All my friends are there. But I just wanted to beat them when we played it. Help me out with this. You had an injury of your career, South Carolina, you had a lot of injuries. How are you able to stay healthy? Because normally, if you limp into the NFL, you're going to limp out of it. You had injuries

in college, but for some reason, you've been able to stay healthy in the league. Yeah, I think that was one of my biggest things coming out of college injuries, just not being able to stay healthy. But thankfully, I never had no injury where it was, I think, longer than like 10 weeks recovery. That was my

longest injury. But, yeah, in college just had a bunch of nicks and nuts and broke my fibula, and tore my hamstring, had four knees, surgeries, sports hands. God damn. You didn't tell me about you had nothing to keep you out 10 weeks. I broke a fibula.

Yeah, the longest one was 10. I broke my fibble in like week five. My sophomore year of college played in the ball game. But yeah, that was like my worst one, I think, in college. But I'm like eight surgeries deep, though. But just staying up just eight, yeah, eight surgeries deep. Did you think like, damn, I got buzzet look. I can't catch a break.

So that's exactly what I was saying. And like, why I keep happening? I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I know why I keep happening. But, yeah, since just getting in the NFL, I think those first couple years just sitting out, taking the grand tie of my body and figuring my body out, really, that's what allowed for me to stay healthy.

Now just figuring out what work best for me, drop my weight. I played at like 225 in college. I play at like 210, 215 now. So just figuring out what work best for me. Yeah, you know, that college training table. Hey, does it ever be in the back of your mind when you're playing? trying to be cautious and a little hesitant based on you know what you want to do or you just

you free will don't even care about the past injuries and you just go out there and just yeah i go out there and play i'm trying to bring the punishment i don't really think about that at all yeah i don't think about it that out look you went to the game let me ask you a question who are your top five your top five running backs at USC all time the game cards who top five all time and they don't have to put margis ladder more up there for sure okay okay Marcus. You got Deuce Staley. Okay.

Who else? I don't really know. Well, George Rogers got to be first. Yeah, I don't know how left, George, George, Rogers. Markis got him on Deuce Staley. And then you got 22, what was number 22? I don't remember. I don't remember how long name.

I don't. Harold Green. I don't think he else was a run I'm not I'm not real yeah that was before your time but yeah I did George

George graduated at 80 graduated left at 80 so oh yeah wait for me I'm born in 98 hey man Rico man

continued success man congratulations on a great start to a new year a new year a new team you've been playing unbelievable. Keep up the great work. Stay prayed up. Stay positive. Yeah. Good things have happened down the road. And when you make the Pro Bowl this year is one of those NFC running backs. Come back and tell us how you deal. I will. Appreciate it. Hey, hey,

do me a small favor. Y'all got practice tomorrow, right? Man, tell the receivers, man, all together at the same time. Tell them boys, I'm betting the house on them this week. Yeah, let them boy know. Tell them boys, I say keep pounding, bitch. I'm going to have to know for so. All right, love. Appreciate that, Rico. Appreciate your stopping by. Hey, this is Matt Jones.

I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL cover zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts Pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Oh, my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining.

And twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to give. Listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team-building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters.

Every week we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else. It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots, from college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow. We break down the draft, analyze matchups, and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day. Plus, we dig in the coaching strategies, roster construction, and the trends that shape the league year after year. Whether you're a die-hard fan or just love understanding the game on a deeper level, we give you the full picture. If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Greatness doesn't just show up. It's built. One shot, one choice, one moment at a time. From NBA champion, Stefan Curry, comes shot ready, a powerful never-before-seen look at the mindset that changed the game. I fell in love with the grind. You have to find joy in the work you do when no one else is around. Success is not an accident. I'm passing the ball to you.

Let's go. Steph Curry redefined basketball. Now he's rewriting what it means to succeed. Shot Ready isn't just a memoir. It's a playbook for anyone chasing their potential. Discover stories, strategies, and over 100 never-before-seen photos. Order Shot Ready. Now at stephen currybook.com.

Don't miss Stephen Curry's New York Times bestseller Shot Ready. available now. I'm Simone Boyce, host of the Brightside podcast, and on this week's episode, I'm talking to Olympian, World Cup champion, and podcast host, Ashlyn Harris. My worth is not wrapped up in how many things I've won, because what I came to realize is I valued winning so much

that once it was over, I got the blues, and I was like, this is it. For me, it's the pursuit of great. It's the journey, it's the people, it's the failures, it's the heartache. Listen to The Bright Side on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Marcus Grant. And I'm Michael Fiorio, and together we host the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Ready to dominate your fantasy league this season?

Then you need the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. your ultimate source for player news, draft tips, and winning strategies. Whether you're a rookie manager or a fantasy vet, we've got the insight to help you crush your opponents. Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more.

All right, bye. Now it's time to welcome a former pro bowler, a defensive rookie of the year. I think he won that award. And he was a Super Bowl, won the Super Bowl. David White, Las Vegas Raiders. Deb, what's going on, man? Deb, you can't hear us.

He muted right now. What's good? What's good? Can you hear me? Yeah, that's what's up. Hey, man, thanks for coming on with us. Oh, for sure, man. Pleasure, man.

Appreciate you all having me, man. What's up? What's up? was good. Man, just cooling, man. Just cooling. Hey, let me tell you something. I don't mean to be, I don't mean to be thinking ahead, but I would just talk with

Unk, right? And there's a certain play. I love what you have on offense, right? But I mean, no disrespect to them boys. We would just talk about next year, right? What do you think about George Pickens over there in Las Vegas? Tell me that doesn't fit. Hey, you see, listen, stay with me real quick.

You see how Mack Crosby, being a Raider, it just fits his demeanor, who he is, what he represents. what you think about what you think about George Pickers over there he definitely got their charisma you know that swag I told you all I know what I'm talking about man okay we can get back we can get back to business that's it yeah you got to help me understand this with all the early success that you had at Tampa Pro Bowls all pros rookie of the year win the Super Bowl I thought you were a lifer because you fit the Derry Brooks

you fit the Ronde-Barber you fit the Ronde-Barber you fit to John Lynch. You fit the Warren Saps. A physical football player, Tampa known for defense. They're physical. Leroy Selma, rest his soul, physical defensive player. Why? And then I know you heard, if you didn't hear it, somebody sent you what Jason Light said. Had I known what I know now, probably wouldn't even, I wouldn't have taken it. What went wrong? How, why and how weren't you able to finish your career in Tampa? Um, I think, um, personally, I think they just weren't ready to, you know, give up that bad, you know, obviously, obviously they knew it was time after my fourth year. You know, everybody knew the numbers I put up, the accolades I had. And I wasn't trying to be selfish, but I was just, I wanted what was due. You know, I felt like I did everything right there from on the field, off the field, in the community, being a team captain every year. And when I asked to get me, you know, I got looked at crazy, you know, and I just, you know, and I just, And I don't know why. You know, nowadays, players getting paid after three years that go in the first round. And I had to go fight it out on the fifth year option for what? When I already had, you know, even with Levante David, dog on the team. I led the team in tackles.

You know, I got turnovers and, you know, made big plays. And then obviously, like you said, for him to come out and say what he said, man, we hosted a Super Bowl trophy together. So none of that matter, you know, where he knows he'll do it again because I helped him. You know, obviously, you know, on that run that we made. You know, I feel like I was a key part of that, you know, no cock. You were. If you look at the numbers and the stats, like, oh, I missed the playoff game

and had the most tackles in the postseason out of any player. And I miss one game. I missed the Washington game. Go look it up. And on the next three games, I was double-digit tackles every game and, you know, getting it in for real. Yeah, and you know what, you know what too on and and, and L.D., this is one of the things that don't like about the business side of things, even with the numbers, even when you do things right, not only on and off the field,

When it's time to get paid, when it's time to get paid, they always look at you funny. They look at everybody funny, even those that have the numbers, even those that have the stats. And it's the same conversation with the better players on each team all the time. Every year is the same thing. You always have to fight tooth and nail for your value. You always got to fight tooth and nail for what you're worth despite putting up the numbers. They're going to find something. They're going to put something in your contract.

They're going to talk to your agent crazy. And just, I don't know. I hate that side of the business. But listen, I'm glad you got what you deserve and you're doing your thing. How disappointed were you? Because like you said, you hoisted a Lombardi trophy in your building together. You, you, the ups and the downs and you, you know, you had some setbacks. And you're like, you accomplished all these things.

And I'm sure because when we had you on my own show, you talked about, hey, I'm going to be a life. for, you know, like Sam, and I see Brooks, then when they come around and I see their names up in the stadium, that's what I want for, that's what I want for Dee White. Yeah, I think I was very disappointed. Just, you know, like I said, I'm always piggyback off Levantay. You know, he do everything, right? That's my big brother, like, to this day. And I thought

I was coming in to, like, take over the role and be the next great one after him. Obviously, he still ain't slowing down. He's still going. And, bro, we both made all protein together. We was always in the top 100 together. and led the team and tackles together. And I just thought I was going to just be his successor. But, you know, at the end of the day, I was very disappointed, man, because that's somewhere I want to be.

But that also made my hurt a lot worse because I had already started counting my eggs that didn't have yet in Tampa. And I was dialed in. Like, I got, I still got a place there. And I was about to buy another spot across from my place to just add on and just make this my forever home. That's going to be my home. Yeah.

And when that don't happen like that, man. Man, that hurt. That hurt a lot, but, I mean, it is what it is. When you found out Tom Brady, because all of a sudden it started to be speculation, Tom Brady might be signing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You're like, hold on. Tom Brady that was in New England, Tom Brady?

You told me, the guy that's won six Super Bowls and been to all these Super Bowls and got all these accolades. He might be coming to Tampa? Hold on. Man, stop playing. Y'all, for real, Tom Brady might be coming to Tampa. Because if you look at it, you guys had an outstanding. season. Jamest turned the ball. Jamon had

threw for 5,000 yards, but it's hard for a defense to overcome 30 plus turnovers from one player. Yeah. And I'm, I'm sure you thought in the back of your mind, man. Man, Tom Brady, he don't turn the ball over with this defense, boy, it's going to be, it's going to be tough for somebody to beat us. Yeah, I mean, we knew getting him that we could be really good, you know, just him just being in complete control of the offense, you know, the

Turnovers did help. You know, James did a lot of great things, salute to him, you know. But we was the number one run defense of team in the NFL, my rookie year. You know, we was kind of hit a miss in the past. You know, we was kind of in the middle of the bunch. So we just knew we were just missing a complete offense to be able to go do it. And then obviously, you know, him coming there, bruns a lot of expectation that people was willing to rise to the occasion.

You know, that's another thing. When you get a person like him in the building, your play level just go up time, 20. Got you. Because you want to meet his standard. You know, he got a certain standard about himself, you know, being on the team, being in the building. And, you know, you just kind of want to be all in. Then obviously we had got some key guys, you know, we got this tight end.

You know, we had got a great receive out of Florida, you know, that he ended up helping. You know, we had a couple of D-Lymin come in to really kind of put our defense, solidify our defense. And we was rocking out. You know, we had a lot of young guys on defense, too. But, you know, that's part of it, you know, people just getting thrown in the fire and just accepting a row and going to go get it.

What were your practices like? Were they challenging? Because were you talking smack to him and he talking smack to y'all? You guys because it seemed like, you know, you got Tom Brady, you have those, you got Godwin, you got Mike Evans, A, B, you got Grom. You know, hey, you don't want to get bliss. Hey, y'all ain't fit to do that. What y'all been doing to them?

Y'all ain't fit to do that to us. And they're like, well, what y'all did to that team, y'all not going to do that to us. And so y'all just going back and forth. And so you're raising each other's level. I think I think the best part of body was it was two things I say. The secondary wanted to get a pick-off, Brady. Like, we knew you come pick them in the game, so you wanted to try to get it in in practice.

And then I think for just the overall defense, we had to be able to disguise, like, harder than ever because he has seen so many looks in his life. So that would have made our defense even better. We was able to disguise and play different coverages from different, you know, different looks. And I think that helped us, like, you know, on the back end of the season

because we just had got so much better. We was grooming ourselves to perfection with our disguises because you've got to trick him some way because he doesn't see him. And I think that helps. Like even I remember in the playoff in the go to the championship, we was playing Aaron Rogers. We was playing trap coverage where the lineback is running out on cover

and holding the number two receivers I'm running with the one tape on our routes and stuff. And we're sending, you know, boundary pressures and, you know, you can't pick it up because you don't know who dropping. You don't know who's going. And that's one thing I credit to Todd Bowles is he never stayed the same weekend and week out.

add to that playbook, add into that playbook. You're in, you go to Philly. Billy don't work out. I was like, man, you know, he'd be good in Philly. I mean, you got his big home. Why? Okay, well, tell us why. Now, I don't know, though.

Truthfully, you know, I feel like I, I feel like I went there with a fresh mind. You know, I was around a bunch of guys that I, you know, that was in my high school class that I already knew. And I went there, you know, just go, you know, just go get it back on track. You know, coming off that foot injured my fifth year, went to all the OTAs. That was new. You know, being in Tampa with an older team, we didn't really do many OTAs.

You know, my second year was COVID. Third year, fourth year, we had, you know, Tom Brady. He didn't, he won't, you know, he did his own thing. So we did our own thing on defense. So I was pretty much locked in, you know, I started every game. I mean, started every practice of count OTAs. I was there. And, you know, after the second game, I'm in the second preseason game, you know, they called me up.

You know, coach Vick, you know, he said, we're going to go into COVID. And, hey, I do it. I got to do, you know, I said, I asked him what did not do to, you know, keep this job that I had all spring. He said, it's just the decision we're going with. And I respected, you know, hats off to Zach and the COVID still my guys. I was still in there for four weeks, you know, just giving them all the, you know, the gym that I had, you know, they was playing New Orleans. I was familiar with them. And I was just being a pro about the situation. That's why you never heard nothing bad come out of that situation. It just wasn't the fit. You know, I wasn't who

they wanted. And respectfully, you know, we moved on. It is what it is. You know, I don't dwell on it. You know, I still got incentive off that Super Bowl run. So God is good. God is good. You know, I was on the team for a week, you know. Right.

Yeah. It's been a rough start for you for the team in Vegas. You got Jamal Adams who moved from safety. He was a safety. Now he's a linebacker. Defensive, you got Max Crosby. Everybody knows what Max Brains to the table? So tell me, what's the transition been like for you from,

Tampa to Philly, now you're here in Raiders. You know the Raiders. You know, Al, I don't know they got a lot of slogans. His famous thing is the quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard. Yeah. I think the biggest transition is just, you know, it's just a different style of play than what I'm used to.

You know, I've always been an assimilated pressure type of guy from Dave around in college to Ty Bowes in the NFL and just coming to this new scheme and just kind of, you know, being a little more zoning, you know, So it's been different from me. And, you know, I started off playing Mike, you know, Mike and Will. I was rotating the first couple weeks because we were trying to get different guys on the field. You know, we had Jermaine Pratt, E. Rob, Jamal, and myself.

So I was the guy that was going from Mike. Mike and Sub, and I was playing Will and base. And then I was a dime linebacker. So stuff ended up then working out with my guy Pratt. You know, he went on to the coach with his old defensive coordinator from Cincinnati. And now I'm back at Will. and that's where I roam and my first game

at straight wheel this past week I was able to go get it you know so that's a good thing you know stuff happened how it happened but you know you just always find the good

in it but at the end of the day man I think we can hit a stride you know we're starting to find out our identity you know who we are because you got Coach Pete and you got Coach PG they're clashing together two good defense of minding guys

you know trying to find the identity and I think that's what's going on So I'm excited. The thing that I was always impressed with you, Deb, is that your ability to close, the suddenness. I mean, when you, like, when they bring you on pressure, you, I mean, you get, you arrive in a hurry, and you're arriving with bad intentions.

I mean, when you, when you get to that point, bad things normally happen for the opposing player. So what is your mindset when it's, like you said, they sent you on a blessing, you're like, I'm a pressure, I'm a pressure, Mike, I'm a pressure, Mike Backer. because Todd blitz you a lot because he knows he's going to get you on a line on a running back and you're running the ass over.

I'm going to win. I'm going to win. Nah, I think that's the thing. You know, just growing up, I'm from a small town. I never played for a coach who played the game until I got to the Buccaneers with all my coaches there. They all played the game.

That was the first time. So I was able to just add more tools to my bag. And I think that was one of the things. They was like, bro, you got speed. and you just got a billy, a knack for the ball. You know how to go get it. And, man, I took pride on it. I was like, well, look, I'm going to focus on this because turnovers win games.

You know, so obviously with him blixing me, it's like, hey, go get the ball. Don't just go get a sack. Go get the ball. And then obviously, when I'm in coverage, you know, that's the main thing too. But, you know, just far as just being a guy who can go get sacks, you know, I think I've done that well since my, you know, since I entered the elite, into the NFL. I think I got the most off ball sacks as a linebacker with like 24, 25. So, and that's missing a year of ball last year.

So, man, look, I just, hey, I can go get it and I take pride in it. You know, when I went to go, uh, Sack Kim Ward, I was thinking ball the whole time. Like, you know, you get a sack, but a sack pummel better. Way back. Hey, it's, you know, it's just not good enough to get the quarterback down. Let me see if I can get this ball while I'm at it. Hey, what, what has it been like? The difference, obviously living in Tampa, you know, for a quarterback.

as opposed to being in Vegas. You like Vegas better? No, I ain't going to say I like Vegas, the dryness, but I think Tampa, you know, I'm a country boy, so, you know, just being in Tampa, it was a city field, but it wasn't too big. You know, the life wasn't too big. It was still felt homie to me.

And obviously, being there five, six years, I can drive around Tampa with no GPS, you know, just being there so long. Yeah. So I think that still having settled in, you know, and just being out here. I'm still new, still learning. But, I mean, it's nice out here.

The biggest thing from both cities, no state income tax, that's a blessing right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, see. Your money, your living expenses is saved in the taxes that you would have paid had you been somewhere else. Right. I'm trying to tell you. So now, I get your after horse, because we know you love horses.

I love horses, but you can't bring them out here, but the weather out here is dry. It's too hot. It's too hot. It's too hot for a lot. Yeah. You got, if I'm not mistaken, I think you got American saddle horses. American stand-a-bread Stand-a-bread

Okay, stand-a-bread So you got working horses Yeah, obviously You can race them on the track You can do a lot of pleasure riding with them I do both in I tapped into this Amish world I'm with the Amish community

They do a lot of buggy horses With these stand-a-bred So they're not just one-dimensional Yeah, you got to know people Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Hold on buggy What the hell you are? Hey, well, it's good at

That's what I'm trying to be Just know that The hummish people They don't go by Richard Miller's and phones and all that. They spend their green on horses. So I'm trying to be a part of that culture, too. Okay. But they eat.

Man, horses eat you out of house at home. Yeah, and they sell. Yeah, check my sweet feed. Yeah, but the Amish community, you know, they take pride on horses. Horses are their cars. So, you know, instead of them going to buy their wife a new porch, they go buy them a new nice horse to drive to church and to the stores and, you know, whatever function they have

and to their family houses. So I don't got in real big with a bunch of Amish communities and I'm making my mark over there. So that's pretty weird. Where's the Armist Community? They got an Amish community in Louisiana? No, no, no.

I'm in Illinois. Pennsylvania? Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio. Yeah, it stays like that. They up there. Yeah. Oh, man. I ain't know you ride horses, what?

Oh, yeah, I'm like that. I'm like that. I rode a horse in across Raymond James after we won a Super Bowl. Real? Okay, yeah. I'll be ride, I'd be riding too now. No, no, you're going to Mexico and ride when you just, you're Cadillac and I'm doing it for real. No, no, no, I ride for real.

Okay, we're going to tap in. Yeah, right, I'm right for real. Let me know. We're going, we're going 30 mile per hour, not even moving in the seat. That's the type of ride we doing. That ain't, well, you might want to Google me, man. All right. Hey, I ride horses.

I ride PBR Bulls. I ride for real. Yeah. He'd do a little stuff. He'll do a little stuff, Del. Yeah, but you got to tell you. the backdrop of the story of the horses and how you got in the store, horses, because you were dealing with something. You went through something in your life, and horses helped you deal

with that. Yeah, for sure. Just being in a small town where I come from, you know, growing up, man, it ain't really much to do around now. A lot of people, that's what a lot of people do, you know, but growing up, I ended up losing my brother at a young age. I want to say I was like eight or nine years old, and that's just what I used to coat with it. You know, you could be at the born, you know, you take a lot off your mind going to ride and stuff, man. So I think that horses has always been a good coping factor for me. And then now, you know, just as I got older, you know, I enjoy it, you know, my son enjoy it. And man, we kind of make a hobby out there. You know, we go to events around the world, you know, Tennessee, Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi, I guess

on the south, the south end of the world. And we go. And we have fun, man. We do it for pleasure. But at the end of the day, man, we're out there enjoying ourselves. So horses has been a big part of my life and probably going to continue to do it. And more guys in the league starting to get to him. I got Ed Oliver do it. Xavier Leggett, he owned it. Zemirah White that played with the Raiders, he own it. And, you know, Xavier Howard, he just retired to be with his kids.

But also, he doesn't got into these horses, too. He down there in Miami, but he's from Houston. But he got all his horses in Miami. And I sold him some horses. So that just let you know, like, hey, it's getting real around here. Hey, hey, what's the number on them horses? What we're talking about? There's the pen, man.

We get you something 30 miles. Depends. Depends. You know, by 20 grand, you know, a little something slight. Oh, okay. Okay, that's, that's a lot. Yeah, but tell them the other part about how much the mofos eat. Yeah, no, they heat a lot, though, then.

In Miami, you know, y'all ain't got the best resources for hay and feed. Right. Y'all got to get it shipped in, you know, like we're doing the south. We grow it, you know what I guess. So it'll be a little more expensive. But it's worth it, though, you know, when you got something that brain, you piece, money don't matter. Yeah, you're right by that. My, my daughter.

Man, I don't know where it came from. Obviously, you in the city. The fact that she loves horses so much. Hey, but we got to show you about these standard breads, though, bro. It's way smoother. You know, you can ride at a higher speed. You can bring it down and slow. I'm going to see you some videos.

You're going to be very pleased with the work. You know, a lot of people don't know about standard breads because they do a lot. You can do jumping with them, but you also can teach them what we do is single foot, you know, speed rack. single foot i'm gonna teach you about that yeah yeah okay yeah yeah i'm gonna put your own you know i'm like a new client see what i'm saying you uh you gotta um so how many horses do you own now

about 60 some 60 but i'm in the business though i'm in the bit i'm running the business okay okay oh so you breed sale and all that other stuff oh yeah i'm just collecting it for real i got a whole get live stable lc we're doing it for real so you have uh do you have any pulling horses shires anything like that no uh we just got straight um um like I said, the buggy horses with the Amish World. I got the pleasure horses that I do. And then obviously we got the race horses on the track that's pulling the buggy, but they racing.

They racing on the truck. Oh, you got them all like Yoki. He got the same horse. Stenderbread, y'all. Yeah, there you go. Hey, Matt, that gives me a good idea. Since you got horses, Christmas coming up, my daughter loves horses, so you know what I'm going to do.

We're going to put it in the game. We're going to talk on the backline. We call it the backline. Talk to me. We're going to put all the business on front street. Yeah, I'll let you, I'll let your boy. Yes, uh, yes, uh. Are you going to get the fair brands, maybe get to the derby or something?

Man, well, Max won't win. I told Max, let me get this next contract. We can, we can do so. We can do so. Boy, Dave. I mean, to get some good bloodline, they're going to, you know, hey, you got to come out, you got to come out a million or two. Oh, yeah.

Hey, man, he's making 35 a year. That's my got it. He got it. I'm going to just, I'm going to just make, I'm going to oversee everything, you know, I'm a business partner. Make sure he don't get screwed no well. We'll be at the Derby in about two or three years. Check us out.

Have you ever been to the Derby? No, I never been. I just told them, man, if I go, I want to host it. One year they let Von Miller host it, and he do chickens. He don't do horses, so I felt disrespectful because I'm a real horse guy. That should have been your call. Yeah, that should have been me.

So whenever they let me host it, I'll be there because I can talk about them. You know, I can give you a live update on what they're doing. I actually did it when I first came out at the New Orleans track. I think I did a good job, man. I put the suit on and everything. So I'm ready to take that next step. So if y'all see this, invite me to the Derby, you know,

and I got y'all. It's going to be a great experience because I actually know horses, and I'm an athlete myself. So let's talk about your college, LSU. You think you guys got a chance to make the college football playoff? Can y'all win the SEC? Yeah, I think we do, man. We got a real good defense, man.

We get our quarterback healthy. You know, obviously he was one of the best quarterbacks, going into this thing, but kind of balance some injuries. But I think he's going to shake back and, you know, he's going to get us back on track. But as long as our defense keep getting turnovers and holding people out, I think we're going to be pretty good, man. Well, Debbie, man, congratulations on your journey, man. Look, things don't always look.

God don't make no mistakes. At all. You went through what you went through. You're stronger for it. I'm happy for you. Continue success. Stay healthy. Yeah, for sure.

And you know, when you stay healthy and keep doing what you're doing, you know what's on the other side. Man, I'm trying to get one of them gold things, man. That's all that's important to me, man. Hey, that's all that's important to me. That would play this game for, man. All the other stuff are going to come. We already been blessed tremendously. You know what I'm saying?

Just going to keep having fun and making sure we're doing things the right way, man. So I appreciate y'all for having me, man. Yeah. Let me, you don't have any other other animals. You don't have anything else, chicken pigs? No, man. No, I just do horses. Man, I got dogs.

But, man, they just. What kind of dogs you got? I got blue hillers. I got blue hills. Oh, okay. It's an Australian cattle dog. They run up. I know what he is.

And I just got up for company, bro. I don't even work them. I just got them just to have company on the form. Because I got like 80 acres back in Louisiana. And this off season, I plan on buying like 100, another 100 that's not too far. And, man, that's what I do, man. I like being where it's peaceful at. And I still got my land in Florida, too.

I go out there and train. And I got a born out there in Odessa on the back side of Tampa. And I go out there, train, take horses, and enjoy myself out there. in the summertime as well. So even though, you know, they got rid of me in town, but I still got my family. You still got roots there. You still got my roots there.

All right, man. Congratulations on all your success. Stay healthy, man. And come back and talk to us again, Deb. I appreciate you, man. Appreciate you, man. Appreciate you. Devon White, linebacker for the Las Vegas Raiders.

I misspoke earlier. What's the dude name? Nick Bosa was defensive rookie of the year. the year they came out. Okay. But he had, he was off to an unbelievable start, Ocho.

He was, he was, he's still, and he's, he's starting to look back and as I'm watching the Raiders, he's starting to look again like the Devin White that you remember,

uh, when he was, when he first got to Tampa. Sudden, impactful, um, you know, dropping into coverage and blessing the linebacker.

He's getting back to that Devin White and I'm glad to see, I'm glad to see him find a home, uh, I think Grantham, is the DC and Pete Carroll, both defensive guys understand how to use linebackers and coverage in the disguise thing.

So, Dave, congratulations. Hey, this is Matt Jones. Now, I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL cover zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.

What was that? Oh, my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to get. Listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more.

What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team building philosophies, coaching trends and how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week, we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else. It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots, from college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow. We break down the draft, analyze matchups, and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day.

Plus, we dig in the coaching strategies, roster construction, and the trends that shape the league year after year. Whether you're a diehard fan or just love understanding. the game on a deeper level, we give you the full picture. If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Greatness doesn't just show up.

It's built. One shot, one choice, one moment at a time. From NBA champion, Stefan Curry, comes shot ready, a powerful, never-before-seen look at the mindset that changed the game. I fell in love with the grind. You have to find joy in the work you do when no one else is around. Success is not an accident.

I'm passing the ball to you. Let's go. Steph Curry redefined basketball. Now he's rewriting what it means to succeed. Shot ready isn't just a memoir. It's a playbook for anyone chasing their potential. Discover stories, strategies, and over 100 never-before-seen photos.

Order shot ready now at stephen currybook.com. Stephen Curry's New York Times bestseller, Shot Ready, available now. I'm Simone Boyce, host of the Brightside podcast, and on this week's episode, I'm talking to Olympian, World Cup Champion, and podcast host, Ashlyn Harris. My worth is not wrapped up in how many things I've won, because what I came to realize is I valued winning so much that once it was over, I got the blues, and I was like, This is it. For me, it's the pursuit of greatness. It's the journey. It's the people.

It's the failures. It's the heartache. Listen to The Bright Side on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Marcus Grant. And I'm Michael F. Florio, and together we host the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Ready to dominate your fantasy league this season?

Then you need the NFL fantasy football podcast, your ultimate source for player news, draft tips, and winning strategies. Whether you're a rookie manager or a fantasy vet, we've got the insight to help you crush your opponents. Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Congratulations. Also, George Pickens, who's set to become an unrestricted free agent after the season, praised the Cowboys, but noted he also wants to showcase my talents.

Pickens was asked about staying in Dallas long-term and said, I wouldn't mind it. The guys in the locker room are super cool. The energy is great, but like I've said, I always want to showcase my talent, most definitely. Pickens, who turns 25 next March, figures to be one of the most sought-out-free receivers in fridge. should he hit the market on Tuesday Jerry Jones did not want to get into whether the team would like to open talks on a new contract with Pickens uh oh cho yeah pickin's gonna want somewhere between 32 and 36 million dollars yeah is he staying in Dallas or joy uh is Jerry going to hand him walking papers let him walk I don't know if I was him I wouldn't

even play I wouldn't even want to be there honestly I'm I'm just saying that just me personally. I want to maximize my potential. I want to maximize my earnings and go somewhere else where I can contribute. He's about, he wants to show your talent. We know what he got to mean, he's going to need to be the number one. He want to go somewhere and be number one. He want to be number one then. I mean, that's what he is. That's what he is. It's, it's, they're in a great situation. Obviously, it was unfortunate that CD Lamb got hurt where Dak Prescott had two number one receivers. Mm-hmm. But he needs to go somewhere else to maximize as much as he can get, beat that number one

and continue to build his career in being a number one player that he knows he can do. Where? You said Cleveland? Cleveland? Cleveland? They need a number one receiver. I'm trying to think of places. Oh, the Raiders! Oh, I like it. The Raiders! Hey, wait a minute. Do you

understand how you understand how that marriage right there would be perfect? George Piggins. NFL young boy at the Raiders. No, that is a great match. That's a great. Yeah, for sure. It makes sense.

It fits. It fits him, his persona, his image. You know, being, that, hey, that is perfect. Pete, I'm not tampering. I'm just telling you ahead of time. Gino Smith. You know where he'd be good at, too, Ocho? Where?

The Giants. Oh, until until, until, um. Jackson Dart. Hey. Oh, neighbors. You got neighbors. Neighbors coming back. Number of mine.

Okay. Not there. All right. Hold up. Let me see. Atlanta got Drake London. Drake London. Drake London.

Tampa got Mbuka and they got Godwin. They got Mike. New Orleans. They got Alave. Shaheed. Yeah. But I think me personally, I think George Pickens is better than both of those guys. Yeah.

Different, different type of player, different type of receiver. I'm trying to, whatever. I like the Raiders, though. I love the Raiders. I love the Raiders. I like the Raiders idea, honestly. All things being equal? Yeah.

The question is, do they like Zay Flowers or do you like George Pickens? Who. Because both of them going to be up. Oh. Huh? Pick going to the Raiders. I'm telling you, I'm putting that in the universe right now. Because I mean, that CD Lamb team over there in Dallas.

Who is on his helmet? The Colts need a receiver. Dang. Okay. You like the coach with Indiana Jones? Yeah, I like it. I like it. But they kind of set.

I mean, Tennessee, they're not sent. What? Oh, yeah, dude. I mean, they got Pittman. They paid Pittman. Pippman, downs. They good. They good.

They got a nice little squad. And they know what I like about the coach receivers? Everybody has a different strength. Everybody has a different strength. Everybody does something that the other doesn't. So I like what they have right now. I'm telling you, picking to the Raiders. You're right.

For me, right, you know what, don't you? the Patriots. No, man, no, no, no, no, no. Hell, no, no. You don't like it with Drake, May? No, no. I like, I like, I like Drake May, but they, they got their little, they core, like, pickings and patriots that, no, don't put him in that environment.

Absolutely not. No. Too, you don't like that structure. It's two structures. Yeah, don't put the man in that environment. You think you slick, Ocho. What? Don't put him in that environment.

Nah, man. Hell, nah. Hell, nah. What, I mean, what, so what do you think as far as the market, open market? You think of what, what type of numbers are we looking at? Somewhere 32, 32, 32, 33, 35, 36. Based on what I'm seeing right now from him and what he's done in the past and what he's probably going to finish with this year, he's probably going to get

something between 34, 36. of the open market. I'm telling you, it's going to be P. Carroll. It's going to be, I'm not as agent, but I'm going to be responsible with him getting over there, over there with Gino, so Gino got somebody to get that thing to, you know. I tell you what, Gino keep turning the ball over.

Gino ain't going to be there throwing it to it. He better stop turning the ball over. He got 10 interceptions and six games. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. See, you know, you know what would probably relieve some of those interceptions? him not hitting other guys in the chest or having

a target like George picking the throw to Brock Bowler still hurt Brock Bowler still hurt her He is Damn Yeah Look he's engaged He's engaged

He knows the Cowboys are going to throw the football He know he has a quarterback They can get him to football and that He's getting more opportunities because CD is that is CD is down yeah now the question is when CD comes back you already know you still get 10 11 targets a game normally the 10 11 12 targets go to CD yeah so let's just say for the sake of argument also we take five of those four of those targets away and so instead of getting 10 11 12 he gets six seven eight can he still give us I mean

there'll be games that he still can give you a hundred but if he can give us you know 70 a quick 70 quick 80 a tub here or there he go get paid oh Joe the guy is going to be he's going to be 25 yeah you start of the 2026 season he ain't even he ain't even he's not even close to his prime no no he didn't even got a prime and me won't hit his prime for another two years yeah he don't he gonna get it listen I and I told you I told you didn't I tell you when I talked to pick last year didn't I tell you wouldn't be no more problems yep you ain't and we ain't had a problem yet. I told you, and I stand on that.

And he's going to get rewarded, not only for, for, I hate using the word good behavior, but being a professional, but you're going to get rewarded for your play on the field. Not what you're doing off of it. You're going to get rewarded for your play on the field tremendously. And I know you're going to see this, young boy, stay locked in.

Keep the main thing, the main thing. And you're going to get what you deserve. I got a place where he can go. well green bay jose jacob said they need a number one i like hey that's a good one on that's a good one jose jacob said they need a number one let me let me let me let me let me let me tell you something though let me tell you something i look at the green bay offense the same way i look at look at the indiannapolis coach where they all are by committee in each game you never know who's day is going to be right you never know who's day who day is going to be yeah you're

It might be Wicks. It might be goddamn Reeves. You come back. It might be Dobbs. You never know. So I like what they have over there. I like that little young system they got.

I wanted to be that man over there in Los Vegas. Because it's just going to be him. You got to worry about nothing else. You know every game you get 10-11 targets going crazy. Pete Carroll, what are we talking about? I like it. I like, look, I, I like, I always thought he was talented. I thought he was immensely talented.

The catches that he's made, he's tremendous run after the catch. It's just, you know, sometimes you need to change the scenery. Yeah, that's all that takes time. Sometimes you need a change of scenery. He had, he had worn out his welcome in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh was, you know, Ocho, it was, they were Pittsburgh and George Pickens were sick. They were sick of him and he was sick of them. Yeah. So when you get a situation like that, the best thing to do is to go ahead and part ways. They were able to get

something, they were able to get something for him. He was able to get a place. They're going to throw him to football. Now, it worked out perfectly. I hate that CD got hurt in order for people to see just how good George Pickens is. Very. I think the thing is that, you know, his behavior, his petulant behavior, you forget that he's in a misly talented receiver. CD going down, he got an opportunity to showcase that. I don't know if CDs back this week or when CD's coming back. But he's put enough on tape to make people understand to let people know. Oh, he for real now.

I'm him. You're the real deal. I'm him. We'll be talking about it. Yeah. Jerry Jones says he's open to making a trade before the November 4th trade deadline. We have thoughts all along that if we see a way to improve this year with a trade with a trade at the deadline,

then we'll take advantage of it. If there's a trade that will help the defense, we're in position to make that trade. I want to remind everyone, one of the great things about our trade we have with Green Bay is that our tackle makes about $22 million a year. He cost us two. Cost them $2 million.

We're getting a $20-something million dollar player for $2 to $3 million right now, and he's playing by as well as anybody on the defense. Why do I bring that up? That alone has increased our flexibility of being able to look at potential trade, right, whereas you might have had cramps before. So we're in position to look at that trade,

and that means we're going to make one. That doesn't mean we're going to make one, but Jerry is saying, oh, Cho, we have the assets, we have the cap space. If there's somebody out there that can help this defense at the deadline, we go do it. I mean, that's wishful thinking. I told you, does that strike me or something Jerry would do?

No, but hey, the question is, Ocho, is there a Charles Haley out there? No, but listen, they have a problem stopping the run, and I told you who to go get. I told you who to go get over there in Tennessee. He went 98. He's nice, a very good run stopper. Listen, I'm not sure who the mic back is, but you should have a feast. You should have a hell of a time if Jerry makes him. that move and go get brother simmons um jerry jerry just he just keep throwing shade and we got a

detackle that's making two to three billion dollars a year you know okay jerry you got off micha you didn't have to pay the two hundred million dollars it's moving along but guess what yeah those picks that you got you're going to have to give them up if you want somebody at the trade deadline that can help your team yeah because i know you i know you don't think somebody just going hand you over one of their best defensive players for what they said oh you got three first rounders look you want this player where you had three now you got one or you give up one of those first rounder and a second round or something so but the question is that simmons available because simmons can stop to run and he can rush the passing right so the question is who's available

And what are you willing to give up to give up to get him? Right. That's what that's all about, Ocho. And the front of you have the capital. You have the cap flexibility and you have the draft capital to go to satisfy. But, but think about this, even if you do have the capital, who are you going to go get? That's going to make a difference. They're going to make a change that can put a dent in some of the issues that you have right now.

I mean, who? it would have to be it would still have to be a big name it would still have to be a name that's going to cost you because anything else outside of that is just going to be another body and I don't mean that in a disrespectful way

and just going to be another body that's it taking up space not someone that can actually make a difference for you defensively and change the trajectory look ooh I'm messing up my words trajectory of your defense

look if I'm Cleveland if I'm Cleveland Jerry, give me three first rounders and the second round pick. I'll get you Miles Garrett. Well, then you put yourself right back in the same situation you would have been in if you had kept Micah and paid Micah.

So you right back in the same boat. Claiming this is not what we needed. You said we got better. Jerry said we got better when we let Micah go. If I put my finger to, if I put my finger to Jerry's back and says, who's better, Michael or Miles Gary,

who you think Jerry's going to say? Miles Garrett. Okay. Am I wrong or am I right? Yeah, you're right. I believe he'll say Miles Garrett. I get what you're saying too. You say, well, okay, you gave up all that, you, what you acquired.

So you got a very similar player. But I believe, Jerry believed that Miles Garrett is an upgrade or something. I'm not saying head over heels. I'm not saying too, but I believe he believes he's an upgrade over Michael Parsons. Well, then it would still be the same thing because also he said, I let Michael Parsons go because when we did have him, we didn't want to Super Bowl. So are you saying Michael Parsons is going to be the one to come here and change

Miles Gary is going to be the one to come here and change that? Are you going to win a Super Bowl? Are you going to get closer to winning a Super Bowl getting Bob here? I'm trying to find difference makers. Okay. That can help that can help the Cowboys. You have. So who are the difference maker?

Okay, Trey Hendrickson, do you believe, do you believe Hendrickson's available? Is Jeffrey Simmons? I don't know. We'll find out. Hold on. Yeah, the 15th. So we're about, we're about 19 days. We're about three weeks away

for finding out what's going to be available. Oh, Joe, the Titans have fired by Brian Callahan just six games into his second season as head coach. His team was 4 and 19. The Titans were 3 and 14 in Callahan's first season, finishing with the number one pick and selecting Cam Ward.

With Callahan firing, the past four quarterbacks drafted number one overall, six of the past eight seen their head coaches fired during their rookie season. Trevor Lawrence, Urban Meyer, Bryce Young, Frank Wright, Caleb Williams, Matt Iberflutes, Cam Ward, Brian Callahan. Ocho? Yeah.

What do you think? It's not the coaches. It's not the coaches. It's the owners. Hey, chat, stay with me real quick and understand this. The owners have to understand that when it comes to football, right?

The owners are businessmen, and the stuff that they do, the stuff that they're passionate and enthusiastic about outside of football in the business world, the one way to fix it is you throw money at it.

You throw money at it, and that return on investment, it happens right away. When it comes to the game of football, this ain't a microwavable plate. you don't you don't draft the quarterback have a new coach and put him out there on the field and think you all are going to have success right away that's not the way it works that's never been the way it works now sometimes you get a quarterback like you get a c jrown you get lucky

you get a jane daniels and you get lucky you get a franchise altering quarterback right away that changes the trajectory and speeds up the process of being a consistent team that can win but listen Brian Callahan getting fired obviously first year with Cam Ward it's not the microwave it's ain't food you can't just put in there and heat it up and all of a sudden

you're going to have success it just doesn't happen like that it never has they don't have patience Ocho they're not letting anything develop you know I used to have a say and I get my chickens by smashing the eggs not by letting them hatch

there's a process in which a hatch into a chicklet these what these owners are doing they're smashing the eggs they're not they're not going to let it hatch they fired the general manager they fire brable they're frying rancarthon and guess what now they fry brian callahan what are they doing they don't know do they do they do my point exactly so obviously they're not football people they're not they're businessmen they either have no jo she is amy adams okay I think the last, it's pronounced skunk.

Yeah. Strunk. Her father, Mr. Bud Adams. Bud Adams. Yeah, okay, I know who that is. I know who that is. He passed away and turned it over to her. I don't know how involved she was at the time.

So you inherit this business, and if you haven't invested or spent a whole lot of time in it, you don't know a whole lot about it. You're trusting other people to. run the business. Now, at least when Jerry passes away, hopefully that's not for another hundred years, his kids have been in the business from day one.

So they're going to understand how this business work. So they have been a part of it since he purchased a team in 1989. They've been a part of it. I don't know how involved she was

with it. so and you're trusting other people I don't know how involved they were with it so it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's tough Ojo it's tough and it's not like a another business because Ocho if your business is not doing well you just don't you just don't sell it

you just don't scrap your a start buying the CEO start finding the VP to C.O you don't start find a whole bunch of people you give it time yeah you have to you don't have a choice you but those that are in positions of power i don't think they understand how the game of football works you're drafting number one for a reason yeah you're terrible you drafted number one for a reason that quarterback is going to have its ups and his downs yes i mean that's just that's the nature of the business but they say it's what but these young quarterbacks going to dysfunctional franchises If they was functional, he wouldn't be there.

What the hell? There's a reason why you got an opportunity to pick first. Right. You're bad. How would that be fair that Kansas City win the championship and then they get the first pick in the draft? The Eagles win the championship, win the Super Bowl, they get the first pick of the draft.

We talked about this the other day, is that the Lakers won the championship in 82, and guess what they got? They got to select James Worthy, number one overall. Okay. How is that fair? Right. Damn.

Yes, no. So normally the best, so normally the collegiate best player or what is deemed the best player goes to the worst situation because we want that guy to catch up. If we just put the worst, the best players on the best teams, they would stay bad. I just, I, I, they just. They're not going to give it time, Mocho. They're just not going to give it time because you're going to have to pay these quarterbacks. These quarterbacks are going to be getting $3 million. Excuse me, $300 million.

Yeah, absolutely. And so there's like. But this is the problem. This is the problem that scares me. If you only gave Callahan two years, right? Yeah. You draft the Cam Ward. I'm not sure how much time.

I'm not sure how much, how many years are on this rookie deal. Do you have the patience? They got four plus the fifth year option. Do you have the patience? with him as well. So I don't know. Stuff like that scares me. It scares me,

especially when you're fire coach that early, knowing that you're drafting or you're picking in a position you're picking for a reason. Bringing another coach and still not having the players is not going to change the goddamn thing. I'm trying to think a quarterback

that didn't. I mean, A, Baker Mayfield, wasn't Freddie Kay fired doing Bakers rookie year. Right. So this is not new. This has been going on. You go back to the last decade plus

and go back and look at them one overall picks and see their quarterbacks get fired during that first year. That's crazy. Because a lot of times he was there the year before and they get the working quarterback and they get, you got to go. Mm-hmm. Yeah, okay, Hugh, Hugh Jack, okay. Okay.

So see, this is not something new. It's been going on, but I think now we're starting like, damn. What do you expect from a team that let Derek Henry go, you didn't get anything for him, and you traded away A.J. Brown for Trillenbrook, or Burtz. And now he then. He was in Denver, I think, today or last week, working out. So do you think that of the team that is equipped? No.

You let Derek Henry walk out the door, Scott Free. You traded A.J. Brown. You had one of the better coaches, Mike Brable. Yeah. And you fired him. Damn. Who going to be the next coach? Well, Mike McCoy.

was on the staff. So he was taking over. He was the head coach at the Chargers. So he's the interim. He was the offensive coordinator in Denver. When the Denver went to that Super Bowl and they got the doors blown off him. But he was at the, I think there was San Diego

then in the end of moving. They went to the playoffs his first year, but then he ended up losing his job. So he's the interim. um coach at this point in time i just don't think i just don't think uh uh they have an idea you trade your best player the best coach you've had in a very very long time you fire him you've gone through two three general managers in a span of five years that's not that's not that's not the continuity that you need in order to build a winning program i just don't i just don't i don't

if they're going to get it right this time around either, don't, Joe. Well, listen, listen, if they don't get it right, we might as well put our goddamn name in the hat and see, we can come away with. Get us a little opportunity. You know, we can diversify our portfolio. No, I'm good.

My portfolio is diversify. Okay, okay. It don't hurt to add a little more now. Can you imagine Shannon Sharp, manager, Tennessee Titans? I've made it abundantly clear. want no part. I want to cover the NFL in this capacity. I don't want to work for an organization in any capacity. Okay.

The NFL is rolling. That's right. And you should be listening to NFL Daily as we march along to Super Bowl 60. It's in the name NFL Daily. So you'll have fresh content in your feed all season long. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, in an all-star cast of co-hosts for previews and recaps of every single game. NFL Daily will keep you up to date with every season. everything you need to know so you can sound smarter than all your friends. Listen to NFL Daily on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. No purchase necessary. Voidware prohibited. Ends 2826. Open to legal residents of the 50 U.S. States and D.C. 18 and over. For complete details, how to enter, prizes and official rules, visit Toyotas Game Day Giveaways.com.

Welcome to In Case You missed it with Christina Williams, the podcast that's your go-to source for women's hoops. From buzzer beaters to breaking news, I bring you the highlights, analysis, and expert insights you need to stay ahead of the game. The people have spoken, and it's time to give the stories that matter most the spotlight. Listen to in case you missed it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And remember, in case you missed it, don't worry. I've got you covered. Greatness doesn't just show up. It's built. One shot, one choice, one one. moment at a time. From NBA champion, Stefan Curry, comes Shot Ready, a powerful never-before seen look at the mindset that changed the game. I fell in love with the grind. You have to find

joy in the work you do when no one else is around. Success is not an accident. I'm passing the ball to you. Let's go. Steph Curry redefined basketball. Now he's rewriting what it means to succeed. Shot Ready isn't just a memoir. It's a playbook for anyone chasing their potential. Discover stories, and over 100 never-before-seen photos. Order shot-ready now at stephen currybook.com. Don't miss Stefan Curry's New York Times bestseller, Shot Ready, available now. Hey everybody, Daniel Jeremiah here.

And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Six, we take you inside the game from breaking down college prospects and NFL rookies to evaluating team-building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. We study the tape. Talk to decision makers and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else. It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sunday.

Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Simone Boys, host of the Brightside podcast, and on this week's episode, I'm talking to Olympian, World Cup Champion, and podcast host, Ashlyn Harris. My worth is not wrapped up in how many things I've won because what I came to realize is I valued winning so much that once it was over, I got the blues and I was like, this is it. For me, it's the pursuit of greatness. It's the journey. It's the people.

It's the failures. It's the heartache. Listen to the bright side on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you.