Club Shay Shay - Best of NFL News Part 2: A.J. Brown MADNESS, Anthony Richardson DELUSION!

Episode Date: May 9, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson bring you the Best of NFL on Nightcap. The guys go off on everyone who doubted them about AJ Brown landing with the Patriots, and close it out by addressing... Anthony Richardson's delusion that a west coast system is going to be the thing that saves his NFL career. Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NIGHTCAP   0:00 - Steelers mad with Cowboys over draft trade21:56 - What's next for Anthony Richardson?36:18 - Ocho was always right about A.J. Brown  (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:51 Pittsburgh is pissed about this. They feel like Dallas duped them. They, especially with the draft being in Pittsburgh, they felt embarrassed on a national stage. So there was a wild development that happened in the war room, not only in Dallas last night, but also in Pittsburgh and in Philadelphia. So the Cowboys are sitting there on the clock at Pick 20. They were planning on taking Malachi Lawrence right there, but they did entering that pick. They wanted to trade back.
Starting point is 00:03:18 They had been tipped off somehow that Mackay Lemon was going to be the pick for the Pittsburgh Steelers, the USC wide receiver. There's a lot of connections with that new Pittsburgh staff. Remember Mike McCarthy is a new head coach there. he hired a lot of, you know, assistant coaches and, uh, um, executives and scouts and, and, you know, people behind the scenes that were in Dallas just a couple of years ago. So it could have been as simple as someone in the Dallas war room just shooting a text to somebody in the Pittsburgh war room being like, hey, who are you're all taking here? And then thinking, oh, the cowboys are
Starting point is 00:03:48 taking defense. You know, this is just two guys, you know, two girls talking right here. It's like, oh, we're taking McCoy Lemon, you know, and the Cowboys call Philadelphia. Galways call Philadelphia. They're like, hey, the Steelers are going to take McKay Lemon. We know you want a receiver. come up here, do this deal with us, and give us two fourth round picks. And they did the deal. And Pittsburgh is pissed. Multiple sources have told me this morning. Damn.
Starting point is 00:04:10 I love that. Yeah. I love the Cowboys being petty. And yes. It worked out great for them. This isn't a Boy Scout troop, man. We're trying to win a championship. Who cares if the Steelers are pissed off?
Starting point is 00:04:21 There's clips out there of Mackay Lemon being on the phone with the Pittsburgh Steelers. And then him being like, hey, why is Philadelphia calling? And his agents running in the room. Philly just traded for you. going to be Philly and he has to hang up on the Steelers and answer the Eagles phone call and take that and he's drafted at the 20th overall pick. Hey. Hey, that's how business work long, ain't it?
Starting point is 00:04:42 That's why they, Joe, that's why they call it the war room. Yeah. All it, hey, listen, when it's time for war, ain't no love in that. You can't, I don't like, I give you a prime example. I know y'all don't remember this story, but I do. Y'all do realize that somebody stole the secrets to Coca-Cola formula. tried to sell it to Pepsi. Guess what Pepsi did?
Starting point is 00:05:05 What did they do? Told Coca-Cola got the FBI involved and got their ass arrested. Why? First of all, I don't blame the Cowboys. But why would somebody in Pittsburgh ever divulged that information? Why would you do that? Right. Also, if I meant, if you said it's the war room, that means I met war.
Starting point is 00:05:32 With every other, all 31 other teams, I met war. would I divulge any information about who, what we're potentially going to do. Hey, you know how this bend this goes, right? It ain't fair. It never has been. If we have an opportunity to get one up on another team. Yes, I don't got no problem with it. I have no problem whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:05:55 Oh, okay. My problem is with the Steelers. Right. And they thought they could trust someone. I ain't got no friends. Right. Ocho, you go to another team. You go to the Patriots
Starting point is 00:06:08 Yeah Man, Ocho, what y'all do? What y'all looking like out there? Man, what they got you playing at? Ah, man, I don't even know if I'm gonna play this week. That's what I'm saying. Right. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:20 Anything that I say, they're gonna go back and tell the D.C. Or they're going to tell the office. Man, this is what Ocho tell me they're doing. You're dumbedums. Shit, hey, hey, you know, the Cowboys, the Cowboys got two picks off of that, though, didn't it? Yeah. Didn't they get two picks off of that?
Starting point is 00:06:36 Yes. From Philly moving up. Yes. Yeah. Plus, you got to realize Dallas and Philly, this is not the first time. They did this with Michael and Devante. Philly wanted Devonty Smith. Dallas had to pick.
Starting point is 00:06:49 They's like, okay, we'll trade back. Just don't take Parsons. Okay, no, we want DeVontade Smith. They agree. Yes. I don't know what Pittsburgh, I don't know what Pittsburgh was thinking in this situation. I don't. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:07:08 Why would that guy divulves that information, Ocho Joe? Joe, why? He felt comfortable, aunt. He had to. He had to feel comfortable talking to them boys, but. Hey, it's a dirty business. Hey, Uncle Joe, it always has been. Not only with the players, but obviously those that wear those, those jackets and those ties,
Starting point is 00:07:32 it's still a dirty business. You know, we saw this thing in baseball. Who, who that's, what we saw the Houston Rockets, Houston Rockets, the Houston, the Astros were stealing sign. They're banging on the drums. We saw the card with somebody had all that, their portfolio, the information, the analytics and all that.
Starting point is 00:07:48 Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Hey, we got here. Hey, them Cowboys, got some good pickups, though, didn't it? I love the Caleb Downs. How did you tell you? How Caleb Downs slipped us like that? It seemed like somebody saying he had some knee issues.
Starting point is 00:08:06 Is that correct? I mean, from what I'm. I've been here. Yeah, they were talking about how he's like one of the, if not the best prospect in the draft. Yeah, he up there. He won up. He went up.
Starting point is 00:08:22 Hey, he's a great pick. That's one of those picks you really, you really can't miss. And y'all got, y'all got another edge. Melichai. Nah, Jayshan Barham. I think edge rushes like a d'n. When they draft him, did they? Okay.
Starting point is 00:08:39 Yep, third round. And the third round. Hold on. Didn't they get Rob Regats from Texas, Texas, Texas? He was the Bronco. He was the, what you call him? Outstanding defensive player this year, the linebacker from Texas Tech.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Isn't he going to Dallas? No, he's going to Miami. He's going to Miami. He's going to Miami. He reminds you of, Ocho. Who was that? Zach Thomas. Kiko Long.
Starting point is 00:09:03 Zach. You remember Zach Thomas? He were number 10. He was number 10 at Texas Tech, right? Number 10? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like him. He was right for.
Starting point is 00:09:13 What is Zach Thomas? I think Zach Thomas, the linebacker. Yeah, Zach, no, Zach Martin went to know the name. Mm-hmm. A matter of fact, matter of fact,
Starting point is 00:09:26 when I think about the draft and the first three rounds, and I think about giving team grades based on what they've done so far with the first three rounds, the goddamn cowboys get an A. Goddamn Philadelphia, they get a goddamn A.
Starting point is 00:09:40 I don't know what, a Harry Roseman. I don't, is he, he, just made for this stuff, uh? He just made for this stuff. Whether it's a draft, whether it's offseason acquisitions, whether it's
Starting point is 00:09:49 playing players early, you know, a little early than you're supposed to. You see you trade they made? Everything he does, he always does it right. Is this you trade they made? What trade they made? Yes. They got Grinner, who was opposite of Anderson. I talked about it last hour. I said, oh, Cho. I've been hearing that he was on the market.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Guess what? They trade for him. Four years, 100 million. Boom, done deal. Now we got another a pass Russia. Damn. Hey, hey, so, so, so, so, so, uh, the receiver, he for sure up out of that. AJ, he for sure out of there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:21 Yeah, yeah. June, June. He'd be over there. He'd be over there in, uh, in Boston. He'll be over there in Boston. Pat. He'll be happy. I mean, look, it happens sometimes.
Starting point is 00:10:32 Sometimes you have irreconcilable differences, and sometimes we can part amicably. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It happens. Hey, a, a, a chat. I'm, I'm curious to chat. they think about the draft and as far as the teams what team what grades would you give some of the some what grade would you give your team your favorite team on how they've done so far in the draft
Starting point is 00:10:52 a bang bang bang i mean people you know people to laugh what we've done defensively on y'all got better oh cho hey i mean listen i can't say we got better i know we got some hell of a pieces i can i can i say that am i can i say that uh jared allen huh we got sexy dexy A young boy, young boy from Texas at NM. Joe? Man, Cassius, Cashus how? He liked that? Now, I'm just looking at what I'm seeing on film, you know, based on the highlights.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Twitchy, aggressive. Hey, hey, he nice, and he got a little dog in him. He got there talking trash. Most of the time, you don't see that too much. It's straight from the defense of lineman. Hey, hey, we're going to be nice. If we get Shamar Stewart to come out this year and show. show the progress and improvement.
Starting point is 00:11:48 He was the first round pick last year. He didn't do much last year, but we get him coming along this year, man. Hey, Miles Murphy, I like it. We improve defensively. It's one thing to have names, but it's another thing when the goddamn bullet's flying, are you going to shore up on Sundays when they count?
Starting point is 00:12:05 Hey, hey, what your Ravens and your Broncos do? They get better? They took an offensive lineman. I think both teams took off. No, I'm trying to think, what did the Broncos take? Hell, I don't even know. I know the Ravens took, I know the Ravens took the title, the offensive linemen from Penn State.
Starting point is 00:12:24 And they took defense, I think they took defense in the second round. I see, hey. Early pick in the second round. I see them Browns got them some receivers and offensive tackles, didn't they man? Yeah, I told her to they need receivers. They need some receivers. Shee. Oh, Joe, what are your thoughts on the Steelers calling Malikow, Washington,
Starting point is 00:12:41 when they weren't even on the clock? No. Lemons. I was watching. What the hell I get watched? Limit. Malachi. Malachi. Mackay. Mackay, not Malachi.
Starting point is 00:12:49 Mackay. Malachi went to the Cowboys. Yeah. Jake Rosenberg said, clubs are not on the, clubs that are not on the clock may have discussions with representative of one or more draft eligible players not yet selected or discussion with players themselves.
Starting point is 00:13:08 Regarding the players' interests in playing in the league, playing for a particular club or type of club. players help or no other non-financial matters so long as these discussions do not interfere with discussions between player and clubs that is on the clock. So I don't know why, I don't know why, Steele, we're going to have it. So, Steele, you're not supposed to even talk. So guess what? So they, they, they in the wrong.
Starting point is 00:13:39 Look, you can have a discussion. You can talk to the representative or you can talk to the players, Ash. Right. It says you may have this. with the representative of one or more draft eligible players not yet selected or in discussion or discussion with the player themselves. So theoretically, since they weren't on the clock, they shouldn't have to have a conversation. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Right. You're not supposed to be able to do that, though. So, yeah, I got no, hey, so good, you're supposed to lose. You could talk to the agent, but you're not supposed to be having a conversation with said player. With the player, right. So, I don't know why you mad. One lowdown dirty D. deserves another.
Starting point is 00:14:24 Hold on. What player, what player are the receivers? Are the Steelers mad at? The Steelers was on the phone with McCall Lemon when they weren't on the clock. They made a cowboys. So Dallas does a deal with Philly. Philly land a jet. That's how he ended up over there.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Okay, okay, okay, okay. You're supposed to be able to. You could talk to his representative, but you're not supposed to be on the clock with the player unless you're on the club. He wasn't on the, Steelers weren't on the clock. Because if they were on the clock, guess what? What nothing feeling could do. But since they weren't on the clock, Dallas, say, hey, you know what?
Starting point is 00:15:03 We ain't selected it. So let us go ahead and pick up a couple extra draft picks that might help us out down the road. Hello. And McCaill Lemon, boy, he upset too. Why you say that? Yo, he upset. He felt he was one of the better players in the draft and should have been going a little earlier than Woody, He'd go.
Starting point is 00:15:22 He got a little chip on the shoulder. You got a little chip on the shoulder. Obviously, you know, there were rumblings and talk about the way he does his interviews and his mannerisms, the way he conducts himself when talking. But that's just him. That just him. He's not Peyton Manning. He's not Tom Brady.
Starting point is 00:15:36 They just don't like the way it comes off the way he does his interviews. But, hey, this man here to play football. He's here to play football. You know, how he conducts themselves when the camera and the mic is in front of him, that has nothing to do with what he does on the goddamn field. But he was pissed off. and you can tell. You can tell.
Starting point is 00:15:52 So I hope you go out there and do us. You know what thing. It's reported that the Eagles were trying to get in touch with Lemon. But he's on the fall with it and the Steelers. Because you know if this draft and you're on the phone, Ocho, what's the likelihood of you clicking over?
Starting point is 00:16:06 Because you're already on the phone with the NFL team. So whoever's calling is not nearly as important as who you're on the phone with. Right, right, right. Not even close. So they were like, well, damn, we try to call a little boy. This is the number he gave us.
Starting point is 00:16:20 Because, you know, you got to give them a number, Ocho, where you're going to be to be to ask you for your number. Where are you going to be in Miami? You're going to be in Oregon. You're going to be here. You're going to be there. What's the best number? Is there a second number? Nah, this is it.
Starting point is 00:16:33 This is all the number I got. Yeah. So they try to get in touch with it. They're like, well, damn. He clicked over. Hey, congratulations, Mackay. We just selected you. Huh?
Starting point is 00:16:47 I was talking to the scene. It's a dirty game. Talking to them about what? day it on the clock Hey Hey boy That's a hell of a feeling though The draft
Starting point is 00:16:58 That's a That's something you'll never forget Bro That's something you'll never forget It's a hell of a feeling Yeah it's nerve wracking Hell if you didn't have anxiety You probably got it that day
Starting point is 00:17:09 You feel me? Yes You know what I tell you Ocho Guys need to understand It's not Ha ha It's where you go
Starting point is 00:17:18 That's the most important thing. We've seen guys go high, go to the wrong situation. We've seen guys go to the right situation. Tom Brady. And flourish. Went to the sixth round. Yeah. Maybe somebody else, hey, he gets cut. They kept four quarterbacks in New England. That's unheard of.
Starting point is 00:17:40 Four active quarterbacks on the roster. Coach Belichick saw something. He was so convinced that this guy had something, say, you know what? Hey, just do scouts team stuff and don't even worry about it. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, that's not the way
Starting point is 00:17:55 to play is thinking about it too long. You know, everybody wants to go early. You're right. Obviously, money, money plays a huge factor and wanting to go early. But the money so much, it's so different now as opposed to when we were playing and when we got drafted,
Starting point is 00:18:08 hey, you can go in the goddamn third round and still be sitting damn that world pretty. Hey, second round of getting first round of money, not, I don't you? Oh, yeah. Compared to what? first rounders normally get. You do realize,
Starting point is 00:18:21 I think all first rounders contracts are guaranteed. Mm-hmm. That's crazy. The running back got, the running back is the high, he got the most guaranteed money ever. 50.
Starting point is 00:18:31 To my love. 50. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, what about? I see why his parents were doing this all night. Yeah, they should.
Starting point is 00:18:39 Hey, hey, hey, what about the kid who we had on here, Avion Terrell, he got drafted by the Falcons. By the Falcons, go over joining the brother.
Starting point is 00:18:47 And he playing with his brother. Oh, man, that's so hard. Hey, boy, that's so, hey, that's so dope, Joe. That's crazy. Oh, man. Hey, Unk, has there ever been a tan of my brothers that actually played together on the same team at the same position? Not that I know of. Damn.
Starting point is 00:19:03 I can't think anything up on top of my head. Hey, and they both from, they both from here. Yeah, they went to Wesley. Damn. Hey, can you imagine that, AJ Terrell at once on one side and his brother on another side? That's, that's crazy. I wouldn't, see, you could do that if you're on the defense side. I ain't, I wasn't trying to play with my brother.
Starting point is 00:19:25 He's a ball hog. They throw it that ninja the ball, man. Man, I got drafted. He had just come out leading the league. He just come out to leading the league and catches. Damn. First team all pro. 92, 93.
Starting point is 00:19:40 He went back to back over 100. Nah. Woo. Damn. Hey, what kind of advice he would give you, when you were going through your process? Oh, yeah. Ocho.
Starting point is 00:19:54 They did. A bit of few. Yeah. Shaquille and Shaquine Griffin for the Seahawks played. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Number one was the linebacker, the other was a DB. Yeah. Jason and Debbie McCordy played with the Patriots.
Starting point is 00:20:06 Oh, no, I'm saying they, no, they, no, okay, okay. Are you right? I'm just saying in the draft, I mean, drafting to the same. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. They ended up, they ended up playing. that they ended up playing together. I mean, actually one player, your brother already being at,
Starting point is 00:20:21 do you actually get drafted at the same team? Your brother all? Not at the top of my head, no, Joe. Not at the top of my head. And Derek and T.J. White both played with the Steelers. But I think Derek ended up when he was drafted. Yeah, Shaquille and Shaquille was drafted.
Starting point is 00:20:35 They both got drafted to the same team. One was the first round pick, and I think the other was a second round pick. They both got drafted in Seattle? Yeah. I remember that. Yeah, that's dope. And that's, that got to be the best.
Starting point is 00:20:48 A.S. Oh, what about what you call them, Joe? What about, uh, uh, K.M and Casey Hayward? Both of them in Pittsburgh. Or he might not been, was he drafted? What, what, what, what, what the little brother drafted? Hmm. Connor, Connor.
Starting point is 00:21:15 Hey, that's dope, man. Was he drafted to the Steelers or we were the free agent? I mean, I mean, to be from here, though. Yeah. And playing for the foul. Bro, that's. Yeah. He was drafted.
Starting point is 00:21:29 Uh, Hayward. Connor and Cam Hayward. Damn. Hmm? Yeah, obviously. I mean, you talk, even if you, you probably got a handful of instances, Ocho. If you go back and study the NFL,
Starting point is 00:21:47 maybe you got a handful of history. Right. Instances in which guys have gotten drafted. Brothers have gotten drafted. Maybe they played at a later date and time, but to be drafted. Right. Man, that's unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:22:00 That's dope. as as as as parents they got to be one of the greatest feelings in the world one of the greatest feelings i mean obviously what with uh donna kelsey what she was able to do oh yeah i mean terrell terrell's parents i mean the the watt family the manning family that that has to be one of the greatest feelings man the barly oh yeah yeah ronde and tiki yeah that's dope pouncy Sonoras and Sanis and Santana Moss trying to think, hey, the list goes on. Yeah, that's dope.
Starting point is 00:22:43 But you know what, Ocho? What happened? I mean, they got some very, very touching, heartwarming stories. But I only know one set of brothers they got these. There you go. Hey, hey, hey, you're right by that.
Starting point is 00:22:58 Hey, I like that. I like that. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 00:23:04 Here he goes. He go. Hey, hey, Charlie got a goal one too. Nah, nah, no, no. Hey, listen, I'm the only one with a 14-carred gold bus. You hear me? Hi, Joe. Hey, Chad.
Starting point is 00:23:18 Hey, hey, hey, only one with a 14-k. Hey, wait till I get my arm. Hey, it looked like me, huh, Joe? Yeah, it looks like you, bro. Hey, that don't, you got a little knot up there on your don. No, you got that little knot up there. Uh-huh. See, you should, hey, you should have been working with you.
Starting point is 00:23:35 You should have been working with Chauncey. Got Chauncey to be playing football. Nah, Chonsie is Hooper, man. Chantzzi don't, he don't like, he don't like football. He don't like that contact. Hey, Joe, hey, Joe, you're talking about playing me. My brother. Who is your brother?
Starting point is 00:23:52 No, whoop your brother's ass. Hey, hey. Don't bring your brother in this mess. Hold on, hold on, Joe. Both of my brothers, my brother, Choncy, my brother Sam, I promise you. Line it up there. Line it up there. Line it up. No, you think you're slick.
Starting point is 00:24:09 You ain't getting away from me. You're going to deal with me, boy. You're going to deal with me, boy. You're going to deal with me. You're going to do with me. I whoop their ass too. Hey. But, hey, Joe, you, why this ain't the NBA, Joe?
Starting point is 00:24:23 What we play streetball? I grew up playing the street. What are you talking about? I grew up playing that. Okay. Yeah. Okay, Joe. Hey, hey.
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Starting point is 00:27:55 he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He runs up. court licking his fingers why he got the ball.
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Starting point is 00:28:30 Anthony Richardson is reportedly looking for an extension of the McVeigh-Shann-Lafloor Tree which to learn from. This comes in progress. Malik Willis showed under Matt LaFleur in Green Bay. this past season, it led to a three-year $67.5 million contract with the Dolphins. Injuries limited Richardson to 17 appearances and a performance when he did play left a lot to be desired.
Starting point is 00:28:56 He is thrown for 2,400 yards, 11 touchdowns, 13 interception, while completing about 50% of his passes. Ocho, could it West Coast system help Richardson revive his career similar to Willis? I think any system will really help him if he lock in. It's not about the system he's in. It's about you locking in. It's about you taking what you do serious, not rapping, not all the side quests,
Starting point is 00:29:20 not all your hobbies that you focused in, being the first one in and being the last one out. It had nothing to do with the system. It's you. You know, that's all that comes down to, that's all the work you put in, the results show up on something. Sundays.
Starting point is 00:29:39 Yeah. When you don't put the work in, Joe, the results show up that you ain't put the work in. It shows up on Sundays. Absolutely. Don't get bad at the results you didn't get for the work you didn't put in. There you go. That's all they come down
Starting point is 00:29:54 too. But, Ocho, you remember when we were talking about this, let that man have other things. He ain't got to be there all day. Now, why they had in the chat, though, Jocho, when you was I was on this thing in the very beginning? Where y'all at the chat now? That's the one position, Let him do what he want to do.
Starting point is 00:30:10 Let him, if he gets his work done, Ocho and I just happen to play the game at a very, very high level, Joe. Yeah. Extremely high level. You play at a high level. I tried to tell him, if all you do is what the coaches ask you do, you'll never be great. No, son.
Starting point is 00:30:24 Hey. No son. But, oh, your big mouth, you and Ocho don't know everything. I said, okay. I said, but at that position, it's all encompassing. Hey. But I want to know, chat, where are y'all at now that y'all criticize Ocho and I, man, you don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:46 I said, it's a bad look that he left the game because he was tired. It's a bad look. I said they had a team. Think about it, Ocho. They had a team damn meeting about a rookie quarterback. Yeah. I've never heard in my 14 years of playing. Yes.
Starting point is 00:31:01 In my years of covering something of this magnitude. But the chat, people that's never. ever played, want to tell guys that's been in the locker room, that's been leaders in the locker room, and what it takes to be great. But now they know more than us. But okay, I let y'all have it. Now where y'all at? I ain't heard, not one person.
Starting point is 00:31:22 Yeah, it's different, Joe, especially at the time. And people say, oh, Joe, man, all sharp, sharp. You man, talk too much. But you never said I didn't know what I was talking about. Hello. Hello. Boy, them short, boy, they show talk a lot. When do you have heard them say they don't know what the hell they're talking about?
Starting point is 00:31:38 That's the one position you can't take no, you can't cut no corners, Joe. Hey, QB. You, man, you can't cut no corners. You can't, you can't, you got to be, you got to be invested. I'm talking about 24-7. Hey, on the field, off the field, in the film room. Hey, and that's why they have no corners. How great do you want to be at it, though?
Starting point is 00:32:00 That's what it comes down to. Yeah. How great do you want to be at it? Yeah. Because you're going to be really good. and do it half-hast. The same thing, when we said,
Starting point is 00:32:11 I was on, what you call them, when I was undisputed, and I was talking about Kyle Murray, man, let that man have a life. I said, do you understand
Starting point is 00:32:22 what it takes to play that position? And y'all, I said, let this sink in for just a second. They put in his contract that he would spend X amount of hours away from the facility
Starting point is 00:32:35 watching game tape Do you understand what that means? Okay. I'm going to let y'all have it. I'm going to let y'all have it. Y'all know. Y'all right. Y'all right.
Starting point is 00:32:51 You can do it both. You can play card and all your time and your off time and you know, you can do all what you want to do. No. But while you moving up the ranks as a card player in the USA or the world, you drop in the NFL ranks as a, a quarterback. Yeah. Because it's somebody working trying to catch you. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:18 And if you ain't working, you don't get exposed on Sundays. Either way. Either way. That's how I go. That's the one position you can't. That's the one position you can't hide on. No. Hell no, you can't hide it. One position you can't hide Joe. Hyde everybody else. Yeah, you can hide everybody else. Damn near, Joe.
Starting point is 00:33:35 I can roll coverages. Yeah. I can blunt you. I can stack you. I can push you in motion. Yeah. The one position I can't of the quarterback because guess what? He got the ball every damn time. Every time. And hell, it ain't in,
Starting point is 00:33:49 to piggyback again off what you said at the beginning and then putting him in a new system, well, hell, young bull came from the Giants and did extremely well in the system that you just had yourself with the same players until he got hurt. Yeah. Oh, so you're making sense.
Starting point is 00:34:07 Boy, stop. Damn. Same system. Same receivers. They ain't like that. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm just being honest. You're being truthful.
Starting point is 00:34:15 Yeah. When we say this, you know, we time me, we buck dancing. I just, I want to, listen. I ain't one of them so they know. Coming from me is different. We don't get the chances that they do. So don't help the chances up that you do get. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:35 Once you get there, it's easier to get there and stay that it is to get out and try to get back in. Yeah. Bro, you see the money that they give it and the cap just going up. Bro, make you $300, $400,000 and then say kick rocks. I'm going to go smoke weed. I'm going to play card. I'm going to play whatever else. I don't know the video.
Starting point is 00:34:53 I just know call the dude. After you get your money, though. Yes. After you get your money. Yes. That's all I'm saying, guys. I want guys to get all that money because it's there for you to get it. But don't, bro, don't let these people gas you up, talk about you can do other things.
Starting point is 00:35:12 No, professional sports is a full time. time job. A quarterback, just like the NFL, NFL used to be a seasonal job. It ain't no more. It ain't no more. Because guess what? Oh, there used to be times. We didn't talk about football in May. Once the draft happened in April, you took a break. You didn't talk about in June. You didn't talk about July. You didn't talk about the guys went back to training camp. Now, they covering the draft, now, now they cover the combine,
Starting point is 00:35:49 balls to the wall, now they're talking about OTAs, now they're talking about who reporting and when they're reporting. It's different now. And it used to be teams would give you an opportunity. They would wait for you to develop.
Starting point is 00:36:03 They ain't waiting no more with you. Hell no. They ain't wait. They got too much money tied up. They say, hell no. We'll go get something else. They very impatient. It's a good thing.
Starting point is 00:36:11 It's a gift and a curse. It's a gift and a curse, though. because now the impatience when it comes to owners and wanting a satisfaction of having success right away just by getting a high draft pick and giving them a lot of money, that's not the way things work. Now, that might be the way things work in business.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Yes. Where you throw money at business and it gets you what you want, it don't work that way with young quarterbacks. You got to give them time to develop. There's a learning curve, on. Oh, Joe, you see that in business. If something not going on world, what they do?
Starting point is 00:36:43 They'll find a CEO and get another one. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He ain't doing it. They'll find another one. And they look at the quarterback as a CEO. Yes.
Starting point is 00:36:52 But so they get his ass up out there and get another one. Mm-hmm. Hey, but look. How many quarterbacks and came into the league as a rookie and really been effective? Like really. Right away? Huh?
Starting point is 00:37:04 Yeah. Shit. Who. I'm talking about as a rookie. Like RG3? Your RG3 had a good year. When you look at being effective, so you say, like, being effective, have good years. Yeah, had a good year.
Starting point is 00:37:18 And it had to where you made the playoffs. And let's say you was, you know, you had a decent playoffs. Shoot. RG3, Jane Daniels. Jane Daniels, Cedex trial is first year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. CJ was nice. Our first year was nice.
Starting point is 00:37:34 CJ, yeah. Hell, Michael Vick had to sit and wait. Carson had to sit and wait. Brady said, wait. Peyton didn't sit and wait, but Payton said, I just, I root for somebody to throw 27 interceptions so I can get off the list because I got the most interceptions that the rookies ever rookie.
Starting point is 00:37:57 Payton said, I want somebody to break my record and break it all the rest of them. Hey, Joe Payton was horrible, boy, as a rookie. That, Dak came in. Oh, that's right, Dak, yeah. Oh, yeah, because he took Tony Romo spot out of dump because Romo got hurt. Yep, yep, yeah. So that big, but it's hard, Joe, it is hard for that guy to come in and he got to be, and be the leader of a team, a first year, a rookie, it's tough.
Starting point is 00:38:24 Hey, hey, is it tough because of the game, the NFL and college, the NFL is a lot faster than college, like your processing has to speed up. Way faster, Joe. Yeah. Way faster. I mean, obviously, at that point, it becomes a mind game. You know, it's a mental game. I know it's a physical sport, but hell, the game is 90% mental, 90% mental, 10% physical.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Absolutely. You have to know what everybody else is doing. You have to know what everybody else is doing. And then when it comes to being able to read and process the defense, not only the route scheme, the combination that you have going on, but no longer what the defense is doing before they even do it. So you know exactly where you want to go at the ball. So you're able to think, you're able to think and read and react fast. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:10 I mean, you think about Tom Brady and you think about Peyton Manning, some of the greatest quarterback that there are, and they're not physically imposing, you know? They're not the fastest, you know? They're not the most athletic. But they beat you here every time, Joe. They beat you here every time. Process.
Starting point is 00:39:28 That's their edge. That's their middle edge. Oh, Joe, you know, Drew Reeves got bitched. He was the reason that they got to the number one pick. For real? They didn't know more pick. Remember that they got Eli. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:41 He said, I'm not going. Yeah. First of all, he got bitch for a Doug Flutie. I don't know that. I ain't know that. Yes. That's how they ended up. They had the number one pick.
Starting point is 00:39:56 They ended up trading it and getting Phillip Rivers. Right. Okay. Yeah. But also, Joe, you understand. You're dealing with guys that's been in the league eight, nine, 10, 11 years. And you're asking a guy.
Starting point is 00:40:10 to come in and be the leader. Guys want you to prove it in this league. Before you lead them, they need to see you to do it. They want to make sure that you, you, that guy. Yeah. You show them you the guy and they'll follow you forever. Damn. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:27 Because they watch it. They watch it. They see who the first end. Your quarterback, you can't be the first end. You can't be the last end to first to leave. You got to be first and last. First end, last to leave. No question.
Starting point is 00:40:40 Not last first. Joe, Joe, you got to want it, Joe. You got to. I already know. You got to. You got to want it more than somebody wants it for you. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:55 Hey, hey, I might have been a clown and they might have called me all they wanted to, Joe. But boy, I wanted it, Joe. You were locked in? I would like, Joe. I ain't had no choice, Joe. I talked to my shit. Yeah. I talked to my trash through the week.
Starting point is 00:41:11 Purposely, I'm gonna give your bulletin' board material. This is what's gonna happen, and I'm gonna go in here and practice, and I'm gonna go do exactly what I said I'm gonna do. And ain't none you could do to stop it. Nothing. I don't care, I don't care what defense you run. I don't care, how many people you put on me?
Starting point is 00:41:28 Well, you're gonna get this work. Yeah. Every week, every week was a challenge. It was fun and not just turned the fun and entertainment. But I had to put the work in, Joe. Yeah. I had to study. And they'll see it.
Starting point is 00:41:41 Once they see that you're serious about this, the work that you, the way you practice, the way you meet, the way you study, the way you're prepared. That's why Joe, the way Unk just explained it is why they never told me to stop what I was doing because everything Unc just said, that's what Marvin and all them,
Starting point is 00:42:04 they got to see that part. Yeah. The way I practiced, the way I studied. I was sharp. I was sharp. See, the rest of the world saw the finished product. They saw the fun. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:14 They're seeing the trash talking. They're not seeing all the work I'm putting in to be able to pull that shit off. Absolutely. Nah. That's it. And that's why the coaches let him do what he did. That's why I didn't have a problem with my coaches because they know. They knew how much time I put in to study.
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Starting point is 00:46:56 Yeah. I got you, Joe. I understand. I understand there's certain things that I can say, but I sprinkled it out there a little bit, you know? Like Parsley, I sprinkled it out there a little bit. And, you know, the fact that I say, when I do say it, most of the people don't believe me, but when it happened, they were like, oh, my goodness, Ocho, you was right.
Starting point is 00:47:15 So a small example of me knowing what I'm talking about, but nobody really paying attention in God damn in February. I told you. Hey, um, where did I say? And I'm sure we got the video evidence that we can pull back and we can use this proof. When did I say AJ Brown was going
Starting point is 00:47:31 when they're going to trade him? What team I say we're going to? Yeah. Two months ago, Joe. I told him, I've been telling him since the what, October. I said, oh, he up out of there. Oh, yeah, he's out of there.
Starting point is 00:47:41 You don't know what you talk about. You're all you try to do. Man, this is what I don't like about. This is what I don't like about, um, because he's think he know everything. Come on, now. Not one person. We can go back and pull it
Starting point is 00:47:52 because we still got the comments where Ocho and I was talking about because we got it and we can pull the comments. Mm-hmm. You don't know what you talking about. All you do is think you know everything. You don't know everything.
Starting point is 00:48:03 I said, man, y'all have here out of this man talking. They win in the ball. They winning games. Oh, my thing went out. It came back. My bad. They trade. So they traded.
Starting point is 00:48:13 No, Joe. It's going to be a post June 1st. Yeah, post June 1. But Joe, listen. I was saying this two, three months ago, right? Football season was over. They were having discussion and talks about them going.
Starting point is 00:48:24 I said the first thing I said was, listen, young bull want to get up out of there. If you're asking why you're in season and then I'm thinking, what place would make sense for AJ Brown to go for him to still be able to flourish? Hello, go back with your coach. You was Whitten goddamn Tennessee.
Starting point is 00:48:40 I mean, in Tennessee. With Coach Brayble. So I said right away, I say, yeah, he's going to the Patriots. I mean, it's common sense to that point, you know, and this is damn there two, three months ago. Everybody's talking about, man, shut up, he don't want to go nowhere.
Starting point is 00:48:55 What do you talk about? Thank you. I'm like, I don't think, y'all don't understand how. But guess what, Ocho? But you don't they're going to say? Oh, everybody who's going to get traded. You're a lie. No, you didn't.
Starting point is 00:49:04 You are a lie because all y'all, and the don't, don't come now. Oh, man, no, no, no, no. We want y'all, just like y'all, when Ocho and I wrong, and y'all want Ocho and I admit that we was wrong, we got it wrong. I need y'all to do the same thing. I want you all to run it with the same passion, with the same conviction that y'all say Unc and Ocho don't know what the hell they're talking about.
Starting point is 00:49:24 Ain't know what? A.J. say he wasn't going nowhere. They say they won't go trade him. Run it with the same passion. Hey, I got all the tweets saved, too. Yeah. I'll go back and pull them. When it actually happened after June 1st,
Starting point is 00:49:37 we're going to go back and we're going to pull about 15 of them. So you better go take them down because we like the job. Because we use all tweets against you. Yeah. because y'all just knew oh he ain't say that he said he didn't want to go to where they said they want to go trade it okay Eagle fans where y'all at I know we got some Eagle fans yeah I know we got some Eagle fans because I told you during the season they're going to trade it I said he wants to get out there and you know what it's best for the it'll be a best it's the best thing sometimes when you have irreconcilable differences let's go ahead and break this thing up amicably that is what y'all wanted to hear
Starting point is 00:50:16 Oh, you just trying to No, no, no, no, no, no, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I want y'all what y'all normally do when old Cho and I are wrong. Oh, man, just admit you was wrong. Now, I want the Eagle fan. Now, come on with it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:31 And the funny thing. Come on with it. It's going to be a good thing. It's going to be a good thing. Let me give me a piece of candy. Hey, let them old people say, Joe, let me get a piece of this old hard candy. Hey, my, my great. Remember, Kelsey can't in her part of it.
Starting point is 00:50:48 Hold on. The man catch a touchdown in the Super Bowl. He's a second team all-pro. He's a Pro Bowl player. He led the team and received it in yards. I don't know where else you can get. And he was unhappy. You remember two years ago, he on the sideline reading the book.
Starting point is 00:51:09 The key from blowing his top. Whatever you got to do to keep you calm. it got so bad they had a meeting the owner and AJ had a meeting he said I understand your frustration probably with something like I understand your frustration
Starting point is 00:51:27 but can you not be so public and I said I don't have a problem because I'm firm believer you don't accept anything in a win you wouldn't have a loss I said but you got to keep it behind the scenes because people are going to view you as selfish you're winning
Starting point is 00:51:41 you got to at one point you had the best record and they're I see. I say, you're winning. I say people are going to look at you as being selfish
Starting point is 00:51:49 because they're going to look at it's like, no, you just want your stats. And then if you drop a pass or something happens, people are going to become overly critical of you.
Starting point is 00:52:02 I'm just trying to, I ain't telling what somebody told me. Ocho and I are speaking from, I got 14 years, Ocho got 11. So that's 25 years of NFL experience, being in the locker room
Starting point is 00:52:12 and seeing how things work. Yeah. That's all. No, no, don't talk it. Unk never meant nothing. I need you to admit. Don't talk this ain't about Unk. Now, when Up wrong again,
Starting point is 00:52:24 Unk in me, I tell you what, if sexy Dexy go out there and ball out, I'm saying, you know what, that was a good trade. Well, hold on, hold on. It was a good trade. I'm telling it's going to be a good trade. Because any time we talk about football,
Starting point is 00:52:35 and I say something ahead of time, it's always right. It's always right. I'm rarely wrong when I say this thing. Since you've been talking about your bingles, your bingas, your bingas ain't been to the playoffs. sense. Okay, that's just one thing. That's just one thing.
Starting point is 00:52:48 Hey, now, hold on, hold on now. Don't you do that. Hey, brother cowboy, don't you do that down there? That's what you're not going to do. Because I chime in and say back. Nah, no, I'm just saying, we talk about us not being to the playoffs. I mean, we're in the same goddamn boat now. You know, hey, if I'm Rose, then you
Starting point is 00:53:05 Jack. Now, don't act like that. Speaking of sexy Dexter, Tony Pauline speaks on Dexter Lawrence trade. There is concern that while Lawrence has shown himself to be a great player at time, he's not a very hard worker Monday through Saturday.
Starting point is 00:53:27 Part of the reason he wanted to be traded away from John Harbaugh. Hey, you don't want that out there about you. They said John Harbaugh does work Ocho. Pads, Pads, Pats, but I don't get this is what I don't get. And I think they're talking about Zay Flowers. He said that Coach Harbaugh had them in pads,
Starting point is 00:53:45 so forth and so on. Yeah. Ocho, if that's what you came into the league as that's what you know how'd that a problem that's all you know right it's not like you've been somewhere else you've been at the 49ers and they only get they only in pads like on
Starting point is 00:54:00 Thursday for maybe like 10 15 minutes right if you came from that system and went to this system I get it right but if that's all you know when I play with Dan Reeves we had the pads on that's all I knew so if I go somewhere else than they got pads on
Starting point is 00:54:15 I'm good I'm Gucci because that's what I'm You know, that's probably word or mouth too, um. You know, Zayflowers, hearing other players that's on other teams, the way they practice, them not having their pads on as often, especially when you get later on into the season, the fact that they having pads on as much as possible all the way up to, and I mean, in a sense, I don't understand it. Where you want your players healthy, you want them light as possible, especially, you know,
Starting point is 00:54:43 during the week. So they're healthy, you know, for games on Sundays. I, now during our time, during our day, I understand. Now in today's time, in today's time, having pads on in every single practice, as many practices as you can get pads on them boys, you got them on them. Oh, that's tough. Yeah. But in the West Coast system, for the most part, the West Coast used to be, that was the thing.
Starting point is 00:55:10 No pads on Wednesday. You had them on for nine on seven. You had them on for nine on seven. It was thudded up. Yeah. But then you take the pads off. The quarterback kept their pads on because they wanted to get used to throwing with their pads. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:55:23 No problem. But everybody else, take your pads off, set them to the side. I leave mine out there because some rookie was going to grab mine or he better. But anyway, we're talking about that. That'll be another show. We can talk about things that you got to do as a rookie or a player just coming up. But I don't get it. Bro, you play in pads.
Starting point is 00:55:43 I don't get that, Ocho. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Hey, I can't even sit here and lie because, hey, Joe, some days when we had padded practices, Joe, I have on the shelves. You know, the shell with a little cushion you put, you put on. Yeah, yeah. They call them spider pads.
Starting point is 00:56:04 Yeah, the spider pads. Yeah, spider pad. So the defense would already know, they weren't going to hit me no way, Joe. But they can tell when I'm not wearing my goddamn shoulder pads. I just ain't, I just ain't more that weight on me. I just ain't more that extra weight on me, Joe. I want to be out there moving fast as hell as fast as possible through practice
Starting point is 00:56:21 I wear them on Sunday sometimes Marvel would say something sometimes he wouldn't yeah but they didn't pay the practice hey Joe he used to be hell boy Jose Flores I want to keep his pads on all that damn fumbling he'd be doing
Starting point is 00:56:36 that might be what that might he might need to keep his damn pants on Mike didn't have a problem all he said I want you to dress how you would dress in the game. He said if you wore pads, five pads, knee pads in the game, where am I here to practice? Yeah. That's the only, that was really the only thing that he had. That's what we said. Until them guys started coming out there with damn Tim and in house shoes or walking.
Starting point is 00:57:03 Man, okay, because we were talking about that another time. But I'm saying, that was the only, that was the only thing that he had. If we come out here to practice, however you play in the game, that's how I want you to, especially when we got on pads. So most of the guys to me back then, They got to wear pads now, Ocho? Yeah, yeah. I was like, damn. You go back and look at the 90s and early 2000. Ain't nobody have no damn pants on Harley.
Starting point is 00:57:28 Everybody had them basically was tight. They don't gutted the thigh pads, the knee pads, that took all the pockets out, all they got them tight. Yeah. Ricky Jackson was the first person I ever saw do that. I say, man, if I ever be good enough, I damn sure coming out my, I'm coming out mine. Hey, look, so when y'all got pads on, y'all, they're hitting?
Starting point is 00:57:51 Y'all hitting? No, we had on tight. It's just like you wear, like you wear those legs up under your game pants. That's what I put off in my pants feel like. Yeah, that's it. We don't gutted the pants. We don't took all the pockets out. They just basically spandex.
Starting point is 00:58:04 Spandex, yeah, that's it. They just basically spanducks. All I had was a helmet and shoulder pads. I had no thigh pads, no hip pads, no knee pads, no mouthpiece. I had a helmet and I had shoulder pads. And I only had two of my chin straps fast. Yeah. I remember, hey, let me some, hey, them's some fun days, boy.
Starting point is 00:58:26 I miss it, boy, I ain't, I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna hold you. What you miss? You miss the grind? Yeah, I miss the grind. I miss competing, Joe. I miss competing. I miss having a structure and discipline and having to get up for something.
Starting point is 00:58:40 I need something to do. And whatever that's something is, that gives me structure. How about go to the bank and send unc his money? Huh? Hey, hunk, I told you, uncle. Hey, break in case of emergency. If you really need that 509, I got you. That man, Ben said he needed.
Starting point is 00:58:59 No, he's not. He just talking. You know, he just talking. Hey, Joe, don't you owe me a-oh. No, we even. We even, we even. What? Say it again?
Starting point is 00:59:06 Say it again? We're even, because we bet in every game, right? You owe me a hundred. Atlanta won the night, so now we don't broke even. We even, we, we, we. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't like the fact that I can't pay you, though,
Starting point is 00:59:20 because you ain't seem to my money. My pants at home. Next time I'm home, Joe, because I got some of my game pants. You'll see there ain't nothing. They just... Damn, Uncle, you kept your pants? I kept my game pants.
Starting point is 00:59:31 Should a pants. Got shoulder pants, everything. And I ain't, I ain't got... I ain't got nothing. They still got all my stuff flip, who's the equipment guy. He was there. He was there when I was there.
Starting point is 00:59:44 They still got all my stuff boxed up. All my shoulder pads. extra my helmets, all that stuff in the box. Oh, Joe, you ain't got no helmets today? Joe, I ain't keep nothing. I ain't, hey, Joe, let me tell you something. I don't know what's wrong with me, Joe. Hey, I swear for God, there's something wrong with me, Joe.
Starting point is 00:59:59 I had, when I moved, I had a big place. I had a big place when I were playing out here in Davy. And it really made no sense. And I got to a point where, you know what, I'm getting rid of this. I'm to about 10,000 square feet. There's no reason for me to have a house that goddamn big. I'm not playing football no more. So obviously, you know how I am.
Starting point is 01:00:17 to come to financial literacy, let's downsize a little bit. Let's get up out of here. Let's get in something we can maneuver with and maintain the same lifestyle we had while we were playing ball. So I went small, I put shit in storage, Joe. I put stuff in storage. Joe, I let that stories there. Joe, maybe by 10, 11 years.
Starting point is 01:00:35 And it got to a point where, you know what, now I'm moved into something nice again, I got something big again, you know? I wasn't bringing all that old stuff back with me and I didn't left that part of life, Joe. I just let the stores go. So it's all that stuff, man. I don't never collect memorabilia, Joe.
Starting point is 01:00:53 I never have. I ain't kept no jewelry. I ain't kept no nothing. Now, if I need it, I know I can go get it. If I want a helmet, if I want shoulder pad or anything like that, I can go, I can find my old stuff again. That's easy. I got all my stuff.
Starting point is 01:01:05 I got college stuff. College? I got my high school helmet. Nah, I see. Yeah, you see, you're a collector. You're a collector. Hey, Joe, when a phase of life is done, I'm, I close that book, Joe, I close it. I close it.
Starting point is 01:01:29 Okay. That's weird, though. I don't care about it. That's weird. I don't know why. All the trophy, everything that I went in college, either my mom got it or my, except my grandmother's house. And so what I got my own house, my grandma told me, no, you can't take nothing out of here.
Starting point is 01:01:48 They're my trophies They're my helmets They're still at my grandma's house My mom got some That I went in college My MVP trophy I gave it to my girlfriend I don't know where it's at now
Starting point is 01:02:01 Oh man She got one of my MVP trophies Yeah Hey that's damn that like hard though too Joe you feel me Oh I do I got I got yeah I got clothes
Starting point is 01:02:14 I got clothes from when I was like 5 or 6 that's too much that's too much that story I told about the the white outfits that my mom dressed me and my brother
Starting point is 01:02:24 like Easter for church for Easter for Easter yeah I still got that outfit yeah that probably was that problem was 75 78 so damn
Starting point is 01:02:37 there 50 years ago I still got it damn oh yeah I keep stuff we do I get that for my grandma
Starting point is 01:02:46 I told you, my grandma had canned had canned peaches and beans and stuff for 20 years that she tried to bring to the new place. Let me say, granted, this stuff ain't no good. You say, yeah, it is, baby. It's sealed. It ain't been open.
Starting point is 01:03:02 Yeah. Grady, this ain't the military. This ain't no vacuum. Them, what the, MRE, ready to eat meals. Yeah. That ain't what this is. Joe, you ain't got nothing. I got a little something
Starting point is 01:03:18 I got a few jerseys I mean I I got that's pretty much it I got a lot of you know I got a lot of signed jerseys you know what I mean a couple basketball like when you went to the all-star game
Starting point is 01:03:31 you got people to sign stuff for you didn't you nah so so like when we got when you go to the all-star game it's a section where all the players got a sign all these balls and all sign jersey and they give it to us so I mean I went seven times
Starting point is 01:03:44 so I got I got some nice stuff bro, I got some basketballs. The signature ain't there no more. Who at? Those signatures on that basketball ain't there no more. Okay, I'm not to... Hey, listen, I can't tell you what every signature is, but... Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:00 I got some... I got some stuff. I don't know who they are. I don't know who they are now. But I didn't get... The only thing I hate is that I went, and I didn't get, you know, all the... I mean, think about it.
Starting point is 01:04:11 I had Brady, had Manning, Elway, Marino, Kelly, boom. Not one thing, same. Hey, man, I got a question. I won an Emmy Award, Uncle Ocho, and I ain't gonna lie to y'all. I lost it. I won the how can I, uh, you think they'll send me another?
Starting point is 01:04:29 You have to pay for it, but yeah. Well, you won, hey, you won an Emmy, Joe? Yeah, and didn't know, didn't know the significance of it, neither, Ocho. What you was in? What show? I was playing here for the Hawks, and I told my story to Fox Sports. like I was growing up
Starting point is 01:04:46 so my mom was in it I think two of my uncles was in it and we just told the story they came to my house, set up, interview me and all that and so it was like halftime of one game
Starting point is 01:04:59 they came back and they was like, hey, they want to present you with an Emmy at halve time. I'm like, what an Emmy?
Starting point is 01:05:05 I didn't even know what the hell of Emmy was. I ain't going to lie to you. So listen, I go out there and get to Emmy. I come back, I put it up in my locker
Starting point is 01:05:12 at the arena. I put it up in my locker And by two, three days, when I talked to my mom. I was like, Mama, I want an Emmy. And she was like, you want an Emmy.
Starting point is 01:05:21 Boy, where is that? I said, it's in my locker. She was cussed me out, boy. Hey, if you don't get that damn thing up out of there and send it to me, you know, people work their whole career is trying to win to him.
Starting point is 01:05:30 I'm like, man, I ain't know. But anyway, I had a flood here in my house when I was playing in Brooklyn. And it wasn't nobody here. So water had been running for like seven days. Hey, Joe.
Starting point is 01:05:43 It flooded. flooded out so it messed up a lot of stuff but that's one thing I couldn't find when I came back I'm like damn I couldn't find it I don't know somebody hit me for it or not yeah but that's a nice accomplishment yeah but they're definitely oh yeah that's a that's a that's a standard
Starting point is 01:05:58 yeah we go get one old Joe yeah yeah we definitely we definitely is boy we definitely is that's the only thing I'm missing oh I don't know why Joe you know at the plan all of after playing all them years man and having them jerseys having them
Starting point is 01:06:14 helmets and no cleats and stuff. I don't know why I don't see the value in it no more. I don't understand. I just, it just. Even when you was playing, no, no, I didn't see it. Once I was done, once I was done playing, once I was done playing. And I just let the storage go, man.
Starting point is 01:06:32 You know, people, I mean, remember dude found the stories that I just stopped paying for it. And people would hit me on Instagram. They were he was like, hey, some dude got your storage and you don't. I'm like, man, I don't. care. Man, I don't bought a whole new place. You know, I don't start it over, you know, doing everything.
Starting point is 01:06:49 And I'm not taking none of that old stuff with me. And it's funny how people see things that used to be yours and they value it more than you do. And in my mind, man, I don't have left that place there 15 years ago. I don't want to bring it with where I'm going now. I mean? Yeah. Yeah. It's just weird how people think like that.
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