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Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson deliver the Best of NFL as Unc and Ocho react to C.J. Stroud's “Superman” excuse for struggling throughout the season, calling out the lack of accountability. Plus, the two like the direction Ben Johnson has the Chicago Bears headed and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Ben Johnson on starting from scratch7:12 - Harbaugh wanted to draft Puka Nacua in 202311:03 - John Lynch: Brandon Aiyuk won't return to 49ers25:51 - Titans hire Robert Saleh as their Head Coach36:49 - CJ Stroud blames Texans Defense for offensive dip?!52:06 - Seahawks WR Rashid Shaheed joins the show (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Chicago's Ben Johnson was asked about building off this season. Orcho take a listen to his answer. Yeah. You guys are going to be able to build off this and that there... Yeah, there is no building off of this. We go back to square one. We're back at the bottom again. And that's really all 32 teams.

If you feel otherwise, you're probably missing the big picture. You know, we're back at, we got to start from scratch. We've got to start from the fundamentals. You know, a lot of guys talked about how difficult. Colt this training camp was. I didn't feel like it was anything out of my ordinary. They know what the expectation is. They know what the process is that we believe in as a coaching staff. And so I think more than anything else, they're going to know what they're getting themselves into. And yet we've got to dig a little bit deeper. We've got to work a little bit harder. We've got to give a little bit more if we want to

take this thing over the top. I mean, it's no different. You're trying to lose weight. You're trying to lose 50 pounds, the first 30 is the easiest 30. You know, the last 20, that's the hard. That's the hard part. And so we did a nice job this year, but it's not enough. We got to do more. I like what he said. I love what he said. I love what he said. I want to play for Ben Johnson now. My new favorite coach is Ben Johnson. Everything he said. But the one thing I like that he said is he told we're not billing off nothing. We starting from scratch. Yeah, bill off what? Yeah, we start from scratch. We got the biddest thing all the way back up again.

I like it. I like it. That house don't stay up that you built last year? Absolutely. They tear that year down. Absolutely not. And you start ground zero, a new foundation. All of again.

But now you see why they've had such success this year. You know, just just. No, I see why. Yes. He, his thought process, that's why he talks to his team. Yeah. Most definitely. Most definitely.

Oh, this is something we can build off of. Yeah. Build off what? Hey, the bear's in good hands for the next 10, 15 years, man. I totally agree. Ocho, I didn't even build off nothing. I had to start all back over. Guess what, Ocho?

Because that's what I did the year before the training, ain't got nothing to do what I'm going to do to training this year. At all. If that was the case, I can just sit my ass in half and go, hey, and just show up the cab. Hey, because I already built off that training. No, I had to start a new foundation again. Yeah. Hey, listen.

Start building right back up. Okay, you start out gradually and just build up. Speaking of the track and field, congratulations to Sidney, McLaughlin-Varone. She's expecting a child. Her and her husband, expecting a child this year. Okay.

Congrats, congrats, congrats. Hey, and Shelly had Mommy Rocket. If she came back and win world titles and can win a gold medal, Sidney can do it. Because I think what's Sidney is, 26? I think she's 26. Have the baby this year.

She got 27, and she got 28 for the Olympics. huge we good but y'all better be glad y'all better be glad because you by a Polino and what's the lady from Bahrain at uh

uh nasher yeah because ain't nobody else seeing ain't nobody else seeing her no ain't nobody else seeing her and they better be glad she left the hurdles because that was just like

it had just gotten it wasn't even fair easy work easy work yeah but uh I love the way Ben Johnson think. I love the way he talks. That's kind of what Mike.

That's how Mike was. Last year, ain't got nothing to do it this year. Bring your ass back in better shape than you came in this year. Expect to work a little harder than what you worked last year because we won't better. We want better results. That what we did last year won't get the job done this year. Teams get better.

So I don't know why you think build off what? No, you start the bottom of the mountain. Yeah. Even if you, even if you in your season. on top of the mountain, you don't get to stay there. Uh-uh.

It ain't like Wimbledon. You know, Wimbledon, if you won Wimbledon, way back win, you came back as a champ. Everybody else fought. You just played the final match, and you win. If you win, you're the champ again. Nah, you start first round, second round, third round, quarter, Simmons, and finals. No, that's how it's supposed to go. I love, I love Ben Johnson.

I love this thought process. Look, yeah, being my new guy. being my new guy I love the way that's that's how that's how I want my coach to talk don't be talking about what hey we good or we're going to build on something now

we ain't fin to build on nothing at all. What we're going to do is start all over again and build this back up ain't no building on it's building back up so

it's going to be very interesting and they got pieces of you know they got their quarterback They got a good running game. They got two good tight ends and Loveland and Cold Commit. I know everybody's upset at DJ Moore right now, but DJ Moore and Roma Dunesay. They got Zakias.

They got, look, offensive line is really good. Now maybe go get a defensive lineman that can add some pressure on the other side of sweat. Yeah, don't forget Luther Bird in there. Yeah, no, no, no, Luther Burton. Yeah, they got received. They covered on offense. They covered on the offensive side.

good on that offense, yeah. Jalen Johnson gets another year. You know, he came back, had that core muscle. So now he gets to work his way back in shape and get back on the field and get back to the level of playing that he's accustomed to playing at. But yeah, they, they, they, look, there's one thing that Ben Johnson knows,

NFC's not getting easier. Mm-mm. Oh, no. So San Francisco doesn't have all those injuries. Okay. Doesn't look like the Rams going anywhere. Doesn't look like Seattle's going anywhere. Atlanta got two guys up for defensive rookie of the year.

Bejohn, Drake London. What are they going to do with Kyle Pitts? Are they going to bring him back? Quarterback situation? Hey, Tampa being in the, be in the midst. Carolina, look, Carolina made the playoff this year. Detroit hired a new offensive coordinator. Green Bay.

So the thing I think that Ben realizes that, no, you can't build off. You got to start back up because these other teams are doing that. Getting better. Nobody picks up where they left off because that's the case with, damn.

The team that makes it to the Super Bowl, that means Seattle automatically makes it back to the NFC championship game. No. That ain't happening. The Rams make it all the way back. So damn, they're picking up where they left out,

would that leave us. So I'm excited for Chicago. Chicago is, they're definitely up and coming. Oh, Joe, speaking of Pooka, according to Mike Grawfalo, John Harbaugh badly wanted the Ravens to draft Pooka Nacua back in 2023.

But the front office went against his wishes. If he got his way, Pooking the Coor would have been a Raven. That was the guy that John Harbaugh wanted badly for the Ravens to draft, and they didn't. Pooka was the last pick of the fifth round. the Ravens took instead

Cayu Blue Kelly. I guess, how you said? Caillu, Kyleu, Blue Kelly. Cornerback. I like exactly where he's at. Yeah, I mean, see, I like exactly lose that.

The Ravens didn't have a coordinator like Sean McVey that has that kind of imagination. Just because somebody put up numbers over there, that don't mean he'll put those numbers up in Baltimore. But he's not, because the offense is completely, different. Exactly.

Completely different offense. So it definitely, it would, man, scheme is not even close to being the same. So obviously, I like where he's at. I like that. I do, too. I mean, look, the one thing we know that Sean McVeigh can get the receiver to ball. Oh, yeah.

You remember Cuba Cup, that Triple Crown season? Now you follow that up. And, I mean, just think about it, Ocho, you get 1,700 yards, and that's still not the best season. That's not the best receiving season in the franchise history. That's crazy. You still, two. 200 yards short.

Yeah. You still, you know, almost 20 catches short. Mm-hmm. But no, Pooka would, if y'all think Pooka would have done that

in Baltimore, you're high. Because first of all, they didn't have an offensive coordinator that has the imagination and the creativity that, mm-hmm,

that, that, that, that, that, that, Sean McVey has. No.

So, no. No. I, I get it, you know, and it's, It seems good now.

Oh, he wanted him. So has there been anybody that he wanted, they drafted that didn't pan out because everybody's willing to report the guys that they want that's panning out for somebody else. But they never report the guys that they wanted and they got that didn't pan out. That's a good one.

They need to stop, man. They really need to stop this. And what do you call them jumping on Keon Coleman? like he's the first pick in the draft. Like he's the re-uh-uh, the owner, Mr. Bacola. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm like, hold on. So now Keon Coleman was the reason y'all lost this game.

It went from Josh Allen turning them all over four times. You have it five turnovers to let, hey, let's dump on, you know what, Keon Coleman, low-hanging fruit. Yeah, let's pluck his ass. You notice they ain't say nothing by Josh now. No. Now, you, hey, one thing, you pissed, you piss that quarterback off if you want to. Nah, you leave that alone. But I don't know.

You didn't have to say anything about Keon Coleman. Yeah, you did. Okay, hey, yes, we need him to play better. We bought him in to be a number one receiver and not at the expectation level that we have for him. But to mention him and talk about, oh, the coach, Brandon didn't want him, we didn't want, that was a coach's decision.

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Follow Sacred Lessons with Mike DeLaurocha and start listening on the free IHeart Radio app today. Ocho, the 49th of John Lynch says it's safe to see. say Brandon Iyuk will not be back in San Francisco. John Lynch and Kyle Shanahanan spoke a little about what happened to Iyuk. Let's take a listen to what they had to say, Ocho. Have you been able to determine why he was so upset, why he wasn't showing up and just any background you can give on that? I wish I knew.

Yeah, can't help you there. Sorry. Yeah. Has there been a line of communication with him? There was, but not anymore. I don't know. I don't know. That snap.

Well, when I'm coaching, I don't hang out in the training room at all. So I don't see guys much that way. But I say it officially stopped for me when the last time I tried to get a hold of them and couldn't. And then tried a couple more times and still couldn't. And then that matched to everyone else that was trying to get a hold of them and couldn't. And eventually there's not much of explanation because it's really hard for us and anyone else. to understand. And it's why it's something I've never seen in 22 years of coaching.

So just it's unfortunate. And that's, it's confusing because it's confusing for all of us. So, but it eventually becomes it is what it is. And you try as hard as you can to fix something that you don't understand. But it's not like we understand it very well still. But eventually you understand that it's not going to change. And you got to move on with your football team, which is always, always the most important thing.

I've never seen it out, y'all, I don't know, maybe you, maybe in your circle, you played, you know, I was in a couple of years, you know, a decade before you and you stayed about seven, eight years after I left. Yeah. So maybe you've seen something like this, but I've never seen anything like this. No, I've never seen it like this either. And obviously, we're not going to get the answer from the coaches or the GM. Obviously, everything they say is going to be PC.

If we want to know what the answer is, if we want to know what the issues were, we'd have to talk to Brandon I.U., and at some point, I'm not sure if he'd decide. if he's the type that will voice the issues and concerns that he had there. Obviously, he wants to move on, them saying he's not going to be there. Well, hell, we could have told you that when he decided to give back 24 or whatever mean, he decided to give back by not showing up. So he really wants to get out of that situation. Something went wrong.

I don't know where it went wrong. But whatever it is, listen, both sides need to move on. I'm excited to see where Brandon Ayuk is going. I'm excited to also see how well he's recovered from rehab to see how far along. he is because he is one hell of a player, Unk, when it's time to go. So I'm hoping he's... Ocho, let's not get carried away now. He's not a top five receiver. I'm not sure he's a top tier receiver. He's a good. He's a good. He's a good. That's good enough. I can't, I can't compliment the man about being good. You said, hey, he, he, you, you make a see like... I said

he's a really good receiver. Okay. I didn't say he was the, I say he was a, Jamar Chase to Justin Jefferson. Yeah. Okay. I'm just saying, you know, he's nice. But this don't make sense to me, Ocho. Right. Okay. You're injured. All you got to do is go rehab and leave. Okay, the general manager try to call you. Your position coach tried to call you. The head coach.

You can't find the time to call back. You just stop showing up. There's a reason why. We just don't know the reason why. He wouldn't just do it for no reason. Of course, they're not going to state what that reason is. Oh, Joe, the only thing he has to do is get treatment. He don't have to come to meetings.

You're not listening to me. I am listening. There's more to it than what they're going to say. You're creating a scenario and making it in a simplest form and all he has to do. There are other things that factor in to him not wanting to come back. Him not answering phone calls. Him not answering text messages. Him said, fuck y'all.

Take that $20 million back. I don't want it. I just want out of this situation for an NFL player as much as we love getting paid, as much as we love money to give $20 million plus back to the team. Yeah, yeah. just so you can get out, let you know how bad it is. It's got to be. But I'm trying to figure out how it got bad.

He got hurt. Now maybe, you know what, Ocho, maybe it was a situation. You know how long they waited to sign the contract? Because, you know, he wanted to go somewhere else and then at the last second, but they ended up doing the deal. And you know what happens, Ocho, a lot of time. When you wait for a period of time, the player feels some type of way. Even though you give him his money, he's like,

why I had to wait this long. Yeah, yeah. I shouldn't have had to wait. They'll let you know how they really feel about you when it's time to get paid, boy. Yeah, like I said, you're right. I will concede this to you. I don't know if we'll ever get the answer. I don't know if Brandon and I, you could ever speak on it.

I'm sure, I'm sure he will. I'm sure it will at some point. Yeah, absolutely. I'm definitely anxious to see what he has to see. It probably won't be right now because he wants to stay low, keep it quiet until he gets to his next destination. But at some point, he will voice the reasons on why things were so bad. Of course. Yeah, I want to get out too, but I'm going to get that money on the way out.

I know Ocho will get that money on the way out. Yeah. Oh, what's this thing become guaranteed? Hey, y'all know I won't up out of here, right? But I got that money guarantee. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is. Mm-hmm. irreconcilable differences.

Yeah. That's what it's... That's what it always down to. It's crazy, man. Yeah. I've never seen... You've never seen nothing like this before, huh? No, never.

Yeah, never. Same. Never. Never. Never. And I know... And I've seen guys really pissed at an organization. Yeah. I've seen guys get cut for not hustling and things like that. But back then, Ocho, we weren't dealing with the kind of money

that these guys are dealing with. Right. You know, back then when we played three, four million dollars with a dollar damn money. Oh, yeah. You're talking about $26 million, $27 million. Man. Man, go ahead. Me, he said, told it, man, go ahead and take that back, man.

I'm good. I'm gone. And remember, it was reported that he told the union, no, don't even fight it. Don't even worry about it. Don't worry about it. Now, I need to get all that. Hey, that's when you know you're fed up, boy. Yeah.

I'm fed up, but my bank account ain't. Nah, bro. I need to get all that. And then, knowing that there are places that need receivers, I don't know, do you swap him and AJ Brown? Ooh. Aren't both of them number 11? Yeah.

Just to A. I like the way you're thinking there. Yeah, but AJ Brown, they go crazy over there. damn with Mr. Irrelevant. What? What? What? Man, him and purdy are there.

Cook, boy. Ooh, that's a good one. I like, I like that. I like that. I like that even better than, you know, my idea of him going to the Ravens. Oh, AJ? Yeah.

Look, I think AJ will be great anywhere other than Philly. But, of course, you know, people being naive as well. I'll talk about, oh, salary cap, dead cap, too much money, you're okay. Y'all do not understand this business, obviously. Look, Pittsburgh need a receiver. Buffalo definitely needed a receiver. Yeah, yeah.

Baltimore could probably lose, use a guy outside, the Raiders. So I think they'll have some takers. I think both teams, I think the Eagles and the 49ers will have takers. Yeah. I do. You definitely want to see where he is first, though. I mean, teams are going to want to see where Brandon Ayuki is. At some point, you're going to have to start putting videos out,

showing teams that he is okay, that he's able to run and stop. No, they're going to bring him in for physical. All that other stuff. They don't want to see you do it all that. They want to see, they want to test the ankle. They want their orthopedics to tug on that knee and shake that knee and see if they have the stability that it needs. Right.

They're going to want to see all. that. Yeah. It's just a different time now, Ocho. Yeah, it is. It's just a different time. It is. To give up,

to give that back and like I said, something like something transpired, I don't know, I don't know what happened. Maybe something was said. Maybe it was, you know, because obviously he was upset. Because I remember we had him on.

Yeah. Yeah. We had him on. Yeah. Now that I think about it. he might come back and tell us what happened. Well, we're definitely going to reach out. Yeah.

You know. But we look at Buffalo. You look at Baltimore. You look at Pittsburgh. You look at the Raiders. I saw some report that A.J. back to the Titans. I'm like, I don't think A.J. want to go back to the Titans. Absolutely not.

Absolutely. Not, I like to say... Cleveland could use a receiver. No, don't send him over there either, no. No, what I'm just saying, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just thinking about team that could use a receiver. Yeah, let's send him, let's send him somewhere where he's going to be happy, please. Don't, don't, don't, don't do him dirty.

But normally the place that's going to make you happy, Ocho, they got to want you, because what happens? You got to want the girl that won't you, not the girl that you won't. Well, the 49ers are definitely going to want him. That ain't no problem. No, oh, oh, I thought you were talking about, I thought you were talking about, I, I thought you was talking about I. Oh, yeah, okay. My bad.

I was saying, yes, a lot of times they say date the girl that you want. I mean, the girl that wants you, not the girl that you want. Yeah. I mean, because that's probably going to lead to the happiness. So I was saying a lot of times where we actually want to go might not necessarily want us to be there. So we're going to have to find a place that really want us. It's like, oh, you really want me? Well, then I want you too.

But we'll see how that, we'll, we'll say, hey, the Chiefs. Ooh. The Titans. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I know Calvin Ridley is coming back, but is that enough? But he's coming back off of injury as well. Correct. And he's a little older than what he was last year.

Yeah. Two players coming back off injury and. But here, also, you got to understand. Uh-huh. Brandon, now you rehabbed the whole year. He didn't play. So he should be Gucci. Yeah, it should be.

Think about it. He got hurt year before last. Yeah. He rehabbed this whole season. Mm-hmm. I guess we're supposedly allegedly rehabbed. Something went wrong. I don't know what he did.

But I'm just saying. So he should be good. He really should be good. Yeah. And we're going to find out now. Yeah. But you know, but you know, Ocho, man, it's people think you could just like,

you could just take a whole year off and just pick right up where you left off. It's going to work like that for a high level professional. No. You got to play. Yeah. I mean, that's the only way to get yourself back in the rhythm

is by playing. And not by yourself either. So, chat, we try to list some teams that we think that AJ, Brandon Ayyuk, some of the big names receiver that will probably be available come free.

agency, the trade opened up, I think March, probably like the first week in March, is when the free agency period ahead. The new year starts, and that's when you can start. But you know you have that, what they call that period? Which one? Yeah, yeah, the tampering where you can actually have contact with the guys. Right. So that might be a situation, like I said, I think there will be some pretty good receivers on the market.

And I think, you know, you got JSCN is probably, well, you got J.S. I mean, think about it. You got JSC and you got Puka. And then you got DeBronco. I mean, every team, I mean, JSC is going to the Pro Bowl, first team all pro. Puka, Pro Bowl, first team all pro. Both of those guys, the unanimous selections to the all pro team in Cortland Sutton. So three of the team, three of the four teams got a Pro Bowl wide receiver on their roster.

Yeah. And all Tay did was lead the league in touchdown catches. He's the first guy to lead a league in touchdown catches with three different teams. Different teams. And he missed like three games. So clearly he still has some juice in the tank, and I expect him to be back next year. But Pucka's going to get a monster contract. Yeah.

Pugel go get a monster contract, don't you? J.S. thing will overlap that. But this is only JSCN. He's only second year. He'll be next year. Next year. I'm saying he's going to overlap that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I agree. Oh, Mr. Chad, talking about the jazz needs a, need a, need a wire receiver. Man, no, don't send a lot of things. Don't send nobody. Wire receiver, uh, some offensive lineman. Don't, don't do it. Garrett will. Some D, Bs.

Don't do it. Yeah. They need, the, the jazz need a lot. They need to get my. boy Garrett Wilson out of there, man. Every Lenovo is built to let them go. Let them work and rework. Let them animate.

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and the two sides impressed each other enough to move forward. We knew something. It was trending in this direction. When they moved it, they said they pushed it back because he was supposed to do the interview via Zoom on Sunday. They pushed it back. Monday because they wanted to do this in person. That was the first here.

They were kind of leaning towards Robert Salon. So I'm not surprised by this. I think he'll do great defense, but everything is predicated. Who's going to be your offensive coordinator? Who's going to be in your young quarterbacks here? Yeah. Because we know he can play,

he can dial up defense, and he's got a lynch pin. He's got a guy that you can build a defense around and that's Jeffrey Simmons. Yeah. I mean, listen, I've played around with just the thought of Jeffrey Simmons, you know, being down in Cincinnati, but I think that shit might have sell right now.

Yeah, I don't think the Titans are letting Jeffrey go. But Robert Sala is a great addition, a great head coach, a defense of mine, and I'm sure he's going to get those boys playing up to par and up to speed. On the officer end, Cam Ward, being the future of that organization, Calvin Ridley coming back. I still think they need some more weapons. Pollard is good, but I'm sure they can use someone else. You know, back there in the backfield, but they need another receiver.

They need another dog to go along with Calvin Ridley, who's coming off of injury, so we're not sure what he's going to look like. They need another security blanket for Cam Ward out there. So, I mean, the Titans are doing what they need to do. I'm sure Robert Sala going to, I'm not sure how much control and say he has in the roster and then who wants to pick as far the draft and then the offseason acquisitions goes. But they can make a change. They can make it change.

They might be the team similar to this year's Carolina and Bears, you know, bears, you know, choices that I went before the season started on teams to look out for. It could be Tennessee next year, depending on what they do in the offseason and what they do in the draft. Robert Salo would now be joining his third AFC South team of his career. His first job was with the Texans from 2005 to 2010. And he also spent time with the Jazz from 2014 to 2014. 2016 is the linebackers coach, and now he's the Tennessee Titans head coach. Texas head coach D'emico Rhyans and New Tennessee Titans head coach Robert Sala, both with former 49ers defensive coordinators are now head coaches in the same division and will square off twice a year.

They came, the Shanahan staff. They were all on the staff. I don't know if D'Miko was on the staff with Kubiak when he was in Houston. Because Kuh was the head coach at Houston, and Kyle was his office coordinator. But a lot of these guys with Kyle when he was in Washington, Sean McVeigh, Mike McDaniel, Raheen, all those guys. So I like this. So do you believe Robert Sala is the right hire for the Tennessee Titans? Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. I mean, he's a defense of mine. and like you did say they can build defensively great because you have that nucleus down there and Jeffrey Simmons. I'm more focused on what they do offensively. I'm more focused on what they do offensively. Yes, I agree. I'm with you.

Yeah, and surrounding Cam Ward with more weapons, more weapons he can work with. With Calvin Ridley coming back off injury, we don't know what Calvin Ridley were going to get. So I'm hoping with the offseason acquisitions that they do bring in and what they do in the draft is very, very important for the growth of Cam Ward. Defensively, I think they're going to be fine, especially if you get a coach like Robert Sala coming in that building. I think they're going to be okay.

Yeah, I agree. I think they probably need some offensive line help too because Cam Ward was sacked a lot. Where did Cam Ward finish as far as sacks? Because I don't care who you're off as coordinator. You can't protect the quarterback. You can't win in this league. Yeah.

It's hard. It's really hard when your quarterback getting punished. Robert Sala He was tied for the most sacks in the NFL So that's where you start, Ocho You got sacked 55 times And remember he missed the game, right? Oh, he got hurt the last game

In the season Okay So 55 sacks, you ain't going to make a living You ain't going to play long You keep getting 55 times You like that. Yeah, I mean, so I was right.

I was right. I was right. Okay. Okay, solid jet tenure. He had Zach Wilson, he had Aaron Rogers. But I think he needed this year to rehab his image. Right. Because it's hard to go from the Jets, head coached, just go get another job. Yeah.

Most of the time when people leave the Jets, they ain't really going too many other places. Not at all, but I think everyone deserves a second chance if you have to coach at the Jets. If you got the coach of the Jets and that organization that hasn't done anything worth the damn in a very long time, you deserve a second chance. I think Parcells,

Parcells left the Jets and ended up going to coach the Cowboys. Mm-hmm. This would be funny. Coach Belichick was going to be the head coach because he was supposed to take over for Coach Parcells, but he didn't want to do that because he knows the Jets was on some. bulljive and they ended up having to trade a first round pick to get coach

Belichick to go to New England, which was the best first round draft pick the Patriots have ever spent. Mm-hmm. That is the best draft pick that they've used and it wasn't for a player. It was to get coach Belichick. Mm-hmm. And it worked out. Perfect, boy.

Yes. Get some O-line, get some O-line, some O lineman to protect Cam. I agree. You need another receiver. to go opposite of really. Hopefully he can come back to what he was. Probably you get your running back, Ocho, probably the third of the fourth round.

Yeah. Got some good ones out there now. And you got to get some defense. You got to get somebody to go along with Simmons. Hey, legurious needs should be healthy coming back this year. Yes, yes, yes. You get him to play like he played Wednesday at Kansas City,

you know, get him back right? man they should they should be fine oh yeah Rex Ryan went to Rex Ryan went to the of the bills but Rex Rex had success

Rex what went to back to back MC championship games because remember that year he knocked out Peyton and he knocked out for a time and they ended up losing

the Pittsburgh yeah at the UFC championship game that's when they had that crazy defense over there with a Jess oh yeah they had Crow and Revis Bart Scott

I think they had a Mohamed Wilkinson. Hey, that front, that front four they had there? I think Calvin Pace was on that team too. Boy. David, uh, what was the linebacker? David, was it David Baker? David, how, they had a live back of number 52.

I don't remember. They had some, they had some, they had some, they had some thuppers. They had some thuppers, uh, um, and they could get up, they could get after the quarterback. They was running the football with Thomas Jones and those guys. and Damien Woody and Mango, rest his soul. They did a great job of mauling people. But the Jets, the Jets, do we know who the Jets hires? Oh, Eric Glitt is still there.

He's still there. He can't have another season like he had last year. No, no, he can't. Because you know the lease is short. You know the least, the least short. You see what happened with Rahim. You see what, hell, McDermott, I mean, Harbaugh, and they want instant gratification.

They want instant success. And that's not what you're going to get. I mean, those owners over there, especially with the Jets, you got to learn patience. You got to learn patience because in order for the head coach to have success, you've got to have the product on the field. Right. You think about all these coaches that are having success

and winning all these games. And, I mean, you say, oh, it's coaching. But coaching, you can only coach so much. You still need the players to be able to perform. You still need the players to be able to execute the ex and those. The better the players you got, the ease it is the goddamn implement a game plan and when it's time to play somebody. I agree.

Now you got players, you got to do certain things that help them get open. You got to hide their weaknesses. That's difficult, man. Yeah. Then you get exposed as a coach because, well, look what I'm working with. And the coach can't say that. It's, but I think the thing is, Ocho, you know, is that you oversell to get the job.

You make all these promises. I can coach this guy. I can get so much better than this and blah, blah, blah. And then the owner's like, what happened? You said you could, bro, I was just saying that. I was selling you. I was selling myself to you. I really couldn't do it.

Not with what you got. Mm-hmm. Hey. You know, that's had me when you first meet somebody, uh-uh. You know? You're not meeting that. to ask your person, you're meeting their representation. I'm trying to put my best foot forward to make sure I don't lose the opportunity.

I want this job as a just coach. Actually, that's your agent. They meet your agent. Because that person is telling you everything what's so great about the person that you really haven't met yet. Come on now. Don't you know, we're going to have this conversation a later day time. But I'm just saying when you meet somebody, that's the agent.

Well, that's it. Because you know how an agent's sell. Yeah. Whether you're in Hollywood, whether you are football, basketball, blazeball, or whatever the case may be, your agent will always tell you great things about said individual that's looking to get this job. And it's all about representation. And anytime you meet someone new, you are meeting a representative. Always.

In his exit interview this week, C.J. Stride blamed the Texas stellar defense for his struggles this season, as he no longer has to be Superman on the field. Ocho, take a listen to what this young man had to say. I think just the turnovers, you know, like I haven't really been prone to turnovers in my career, especially, like, you know, the timely turnovers, you know, where, you know, like I told you all before, I've really, you know, been on,

I've been on some great teams, you know, my whole career where a lot of them were, you know, offensive droving, you know, and, like, you know, playing for Coach Day where, you know, we're taking shots and then, you know, like being on this team, you know, where, you know, we're more full everywhere, you know, where it's offense, defense, and special teams, well, you know, defenses, you know, is making a bunch of plays.

So, you know, this year was a step for me where, like, I didn't have to be Superman all the time. And I'm still growing in that. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I appreciate my team as for taking a lot of pressure, you know, off of my plate. But also, you know, they do know that I can make those plays. So, you know, I'm appreciative of them having that perspective. And I feel like I've grown, you know, in that way of, like, you know, taking what's there, you know, in ways where, you know, I would have taken a shot there or just, you know,

take care of the ball some other ways. But, you know, I just seeing some growth into my footwork, you know, in the pocket, you know, trusting my guy, staying in the pocket, not just running around, you know, but, you know, staying strong and firm. So I think I made a step in that area as well. But, you know, always things are improving, and I'll do that. Yeah, I mean, I... This is AI.

This got to be AI. Hey, let's check and see if this AI. Because there ain't no Elcho ain't no way in here. Well, which part, which part? The whole thing is AI. I mean, from what I just heard, him reflecting on some of the things where he has room for improvement, he said the turnovers. No, he said the reason why is because of his defense was so great. Okay, I must have missed that part.

You want us to replay it for you? Yeah, he must have said that. Can we rewrite that right quick? At the very beginning? I think just the turnovers, you know, like I haven't really been prone to turnovers in my career, especially like, you know, the timely turnovers, you know, where, you know, like I told you all before, I've really, you know, been on, I've been on some great teams, you know, my whole career where a lot of them

were, you know, offensive droving, you know, and like, you know, playing for Coach Day where, you know, we're taking shots and all these. And then, you know, like, being on this team, you know, where, you know, we're more full everywhere, you know, where it's offense, defense and special teams, well, you know, defenses, you know, is making a bunch of plays. So, you know, this year was a step for me where, like, I don't have to be Superman all the time,

and I'm still growing in that. You know what I'm saying? Take it away, Ojo. Wait, I'm, maybe I'm tripping. Maybe some wrong with my goddamn eels. I mean, I'm listening to what he's saying, but maybe the way you're regurgentating it to me, I'm expecting to say something like that.

But, I mean, what I got from it is, it's one of the few times I didn't have to be Superman this year because my defense is as great as they were. So that's why you turned the ball over? No, no, obviously he said, you heard what he said, huh? I have room for improvement to have to stop turning the ball over. And I like that he's reflecting on some of the things that he can continue to grow on. I heard that part.

I think the reason why he turned the ball over was because of his defense because he knew they could get it back for it. Oh, oh, that, hey, that's a little bit excessive right there, huh? Oh, child, what, you would that defense, you take risk that you normally wouldn't take? Right, right, right, right, right. But oh, wait a minute. Think about how careful Dak Prescott has to be with the football. Right. Knowing his defense can't get it back for it.

Right. Yeah. Okay. I see what you're saying. I see you going with it. I see you going with it. I like it. Look, the only season that he really didn't turn the ball over was his rookie season.

Yeah. Because his rookie season, he had five picks. The next year he had 12. Mm-hmm. Now, he had five intercessions in the play and two games in the postseason with five fumbles. Yeah. He had eight picks, but he missed three games and half another one. So are we short?

he doesn't turn the ball or are we sure are you willing to go on a limb on Cho? Yeah, I mean, we watched the game, we saw it. We saw it.

No, no. I'm saying, are you sure he doesn't turn the ball over because that's not what his resume says. His resume says his rookie year,

he's absolutely right. He didn't turn the ball over. But I look at his second and third year, I would tell, I mean, the numbers would disagree. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. He knows he got a lot of, excuse me, my bad. A young boy, know he got a lot of work to do on. He has a lot of work to do, and I like the fact that he can stand up in front of the camera,

and he can take accountability for it as well. Oh, Joe, you don't have to do all that, talking. Just say, you know what I need to do better. Don't blame your defense for you not having to put the Superman cape on. Just defense, hold on. Was Danielle Hunter there last year? Was Stingley there last year? Was Will Anderson Jr. there last year?

Shazir? 2-0-2-0? Petrie? I'm just, no. Help me understand. who on this defense that's there this year wasn't there last year. Yeah. I don't know what's rank is there. Look and see, I want to see if a rank is with their last year.

If Tim Settle Jr., Mario Edward Jr., I want to know. Because I believe those other guys that I mentioned, I believe they were there. So I'm going to find out what guys weren't there on that defense last, this year, that wasn't there last year. Hey, hey, hey, you thought it was bad to wait the way he gave a little interview, though? Rankin wasn't there last year What about Settle Jr or Mario Edwards Jr.? Mario Edward Jr?

Okay. He was there. Hold on. Mario Edward Jr. ain't the former number one pick son, is it? No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, but I'm not for the sake, God damn time flying. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Okay. This Mario Edwards is, and that was Mario Williams. Williams, yeah, okay, my bad, my bad. my bad. Ocho, if you don't have to be Superman, you shouldn't struggle because I don't need you to take

a necessary risk. I don't need you to put that cape on. Right. You see how it doesn't juxtapose? Okay. You see. I'm thinking, well, I don't have to be Superman. It should be easy.

Hand the ball off, make a few plays here or there, got a defense that can back me up, knowing if I don't turn the ball over, the likelihood of a team driving 70, 80 yards on us, we go. Not good, yeah, we good. Yeah.

I don't get it. But, I don't get. He's reflecting on the entirety of his season in a small clip, more so mentioning some of the things he can do better and some of the areas where he works. But what does his defense having to do with him not having to be Superman? And how does that equate to him turning? I'm thinking if you don't have to be Superman, you don't have to take the unnecessary risk.

Right. I mean, Josh Allen has to be Superman, and he had to be, and guess what he did, Ocho, he turned the ball over. If you're saying you don't have to be Superman, I'm just trying to figure out

how turnovers come along with that. Right. Because you don't have to take the risk. You don't have to put the ball in harm's way because you don't have to worry about an offense outscoring you because the likelihood of them, they scoring 28, 31 points on that defense?

Not happening. Without, six scooping scores or return. Yeah. That ain't happening. Yeah. That ain't happening. I don't know.

I just take the thing sometimes that we talk too much. Yeah. Just, hey, in that situation, I'm just disappointed how the season turned out. There are some things that I need to work on. But don't say you struggled because of the defense was so good and you didn't have to be Superman. you only really Superman one year, Ocho? You see, goes back to that rookie season? I don't think he meant it in the way in the way you're...

How am I supposed to take it, Ocho? Tell me, I want you to break it. I want you to explain it to me if I was french fry. I mean, I mean, I think maybe we're hearing it in two different ways. I think he just, listen, I made mistakes. He made mistakes in the past. What does his defense have to do with that, though? He'll make it mistakes.

That's like, Ocho, man, Ocho, well, I did this because Uncle made a mistake. What does my mistake have to do with you? Yeah. What does the defense being great have to do with him turning the ball over? Okay, explain that to me. Yeah. Him turning the ball over. What does that defense have to do with that?

I have no idea. I have no idea. I just, I'm just listening to the part where he said he, on the things that he needs to work on. That's all. That's all. I understand him mentioning the defense as good as they were. it shouldn't look like it did those last two games. It shouldn't have.

Because we said that on the show before they even played the first playoff game. If they keep the ball out of harm's way, they got a superior chance. Absolutely. Superior. And they should be playing this weekend if they were no turnovers, honestly. Or one? Just don't give a five, Ocho. Ocho.

Oh, Cho, the man had five fumbles and five picks in two games. Yeah. Now, granted, they got that jumped on a, he jumped on a couple of them in Pittsburgh. But, don't you, you can't turn up. Hey. What do you have, four picks in the first half? Yeah. Four picks in the first half?

Defense, hey, Will Anderson Jr. says, hey, you gave it to him. I'm going to get it back for you. Mm-hmm. He said, I'm going to get right back to him, though. Sometimes when things go good, you say little. When they go bad, you say even less. Wait, he had to talk, huh? He had to talk today.

So he had to say something. You know, most of the time, we complain about players not stepping up to the mic and not talking when things don't go well. Disapported how the season went. And just that's it. And I'll be better. And then leave. Your struggles, you don't mention your struggles because of the success of the defense.

Who? I mean, Ocho. The man been to league three years. Name the time that you've heard somebody say C.J. Stride put on that Superman cake. I've heard it with Lamar. I've heard it with Josh Allen. I've heard it with my homeboy. I've heard it with Joe Burrow. Tell me the time you've heard somebody say that about C.J. Back to C.J. Stroud. Derek Lewis. You know who Derek Lewis is, right? UFC? Blackbees? Oh, yeah. A matter of fact, I want to fight him.

Oh, shit. Derek Lewis says C.J. Stroud might be. cursed. Let's take a listen to the reason, Ocho, or why he says or why he thinks what he thinks. Okay. What moves would you like to see the Texans make for next season? I guess we've got to see what's going on with C.J. I think ever since we've seen him show with Amber Rose at the softball game a few years ago and Kim Kardashian and all that, and I'm like, man,

it might be like a curse for him. I don't mean, I don't, listen, man, I ain't, man, man. I didn't know. I didn't know you're going to say that, Ocho. Yeah, that's, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't like that. So just for that, tell Derek Lewis, man, he got to see me. You hear me, Unk? Like, I'm listening. I mean, his

personal life off the field ain't got nothing to do with on the field. There ain't no goddamn curse. Thing just didn't go well. He didn't play well. He knows that. He took accountability for that. So now, Derek Lewis, boy, you got to see me at least three rounds.

Three rounds. I don't, I don't even know, Ocho, you go around. Hey, uh, let me tell you. something. One thing about it, right? Now, we can talk about NFL players. We can do that. We're not going to have no outsiders whether you're a fan of the team or not, disrespecting my young colleagues. He just said he'd think that there might be, oh, Cho, this is not the first time that you've heard about the Kardashian curse. It's not. Hey, come on, we're not doing it. I'm not saying, I'm not saying there's any validity to it, but don't not pretend that you haven't

heard about it. Yeah, but I don't believe in all of them superstitions. And he's, oh Joe, you got to realize he's a, he's a Houstonian. Hey, you know what, Unk? What? You're making it worse for Derek Lewis because the more you talk about it, the more I'm beat his ass. I'm for real.

Man, we got to go down to Houston, man. Who? Me and you. She didn't mean. But the hell you say, I ain't going nowhere, boy. We ain't going to Houston? That's the devil's playground. I just got saved two months ago.

I just got saved. Hey, I got my pick fork out back. Hey, oh, hold on, hold on, so Derek Lewis, he in Houston? Yeah, he's from Houston. Yeah, I'm going to go see him, boy. I'm going to go see him. Hey, they got, where he he trained at?

You know, he got, they fight Saturday here, he's fighting Costa. In Vegas? Yes. Okay. And team over. Okay, I'm gonna let a chat. Y'all do me in favor.

Tell Derek DeWis, I wish him good luck against Costa, Costa, whoever you got to fight. But after that, after he fight Costa, Costa, and win and do whatever he needs to do, you got to see me, boy. Octagon, boxing ring, M&A, wrestling on the ground, groundwork, pounding, man, whatever you want to do.

You ain't fin to talk about stride like that, boy. Yeah. See, sometimes when the big dudes, um, You know, they feel safe being able to comment like that. And it ain't no pushback because they don't know everybody's scared of them. So it takes somebody like me like to kind of set the record straight. Like you mean you ain't, you ain't fin to just be able to say what you want to say in front of the camera. And they're going to my dog right.

Hey, she. All right, we got a very special guest joining us. The game against the Rams, he got it started. The punt return. Got the Seahawks going. and this week he ended the game, 13 seconds into the game, because the 49ers were ever,

never able to recover. He got acquired a trade on November the 4th. It might be the best trade that has happened in a very, very long time. Here he is, the outstanding return guy for the Seattle Seahawks, Rashid Shaheed. Rashid, how you doing, bro? Sheet, you mute it. You mute it.

You mute, bro. Yeah, yeah, there we go, see. I know my cousin, my cousin got it. I knew my cousin could figure it out. Okay. She was good. She was good, boy. Man, I'm here, man, just watching you, man, with a smile on my face.

Every time I see, hey, tell me what that feeling is like. Obviously, the go from New Orleans, things were, eh, it wasn't what you would like. You can get over there, down there to Seattle. Man, what does it feel like to be the reason? and part of the reason for the success that y'all have been having lately? It's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing.

I've enjoyed my time here in Seattle so far, man. The way the city, the team has embraced me, it made the transition so smooth. And it's been nothing but a great time, man. So the shout-out to my coaches and my teammates, man. It's been a hell of a ride so far. That's dope. That's live. To go from New Orleans, and now you're one game away.

I mean, when you watch the Super Bowl growing up as a kid, And now you're one game away from being in that, in that game. And as Ocho said, you jump started it with that punt return against the Rams. Now, we don't know you could have gone on the road and still have a level of success. But the role would have probably been a lot more difficult because instead of playing two games and getting to the soup bowl, you'd have had to play three games. And then, as I mentioned in the lead end, you ended that game 13 seconds against 49. Hey, the game was over.

Because once you returned that kick, it was over. The game was over. You saw it on their sideline. You saw it, their body language changed. It was over from that point. So now, what made you, what did the coach call? You had a white return, a middle wedge. What the coach called?

And when did you see, like, I can get this a house call? Yeah, that specific return on the Rams, we kind of knew that their left side was kind of their weak side. And we called them left return at a perfect time. shout out to my special team coach. He's a genius. And we made the play work. And as soon as I broke through, kind of,

I made the kite at the field. And I knew I could crib it. And the 49ers also, because I mentioned the Rams on that Thursday night, you guys were behind the whole night. It was like, when you returned that punt, it was like, it was a, I mean, just like, everybody got energized. And in the 49ers game, the kickoff,

You know, bro, I'm like, 13 seconds, the game's over? I mean, normally you're like, we're going to play, but they were never able to recover. And you've been doing your thing also. They hand you the ball, they'll throw you the ball. They're using you like you always envisioned. And they use you early like that in your career in New Orleans. But now to get an opportunity to go to play where you're being used on a team that's really good with a chance to get to the Super Bowl. Yeah, no, these are the opportunities that you kind of dream about.

You know, as a player growing up, I mean, to be in this game coming up, it's going to be like a dream. It's one of the steps on the field, man. It's going to be all the lights are going to be on and be excited. Everybody's going to be excited. These are the games that you work so hard for. So it's just a blessing to be a part of this team, man. This team has worked so hard to get to this point. And we have to be learned this.

Yeah. What is the transition been like for you, you know, from an offensive perspective, being able to transition from New Orleans to Seattle and and being able to pick up the system? Has it been difficult? Is everything still easy, the terminology? Yeah. How is it? It's been smooth.

Thankfully, I came into a system that I'm pretty familiar with with New Orleans last year. Right. I had Coach Kube with them in New Orleans for about seven games. So it took me about a week to kind of hear the language,

get the formations right? And once you get the formations, everything kind of just flows. And it's been a speed transition, yeah. So where were you when you got to call, Rashid, I mean, did you see it scrolling on the media? So where were you when you got the call that you were no longer going to be a New Orleans Saints

and you was headed to the Pacific Northwest to be a Seattle Seahawk? Crazy story. So I was pulling in to the Saints facility. I was on my way to get some body work done. So get in the tubs, you know what I'm saying? I'm off day. And I get the call as I'm pulling in. And it was my financial advisor who called me before anybody else.

And he kind of said, he said, what do you say? He said, there's no state tax in Seattle. I'm like, what are you talking about? And then he kind of broke the news. He was like, oh, you don't know. He told me. So that was my first, you know, introduction to all this. And it was so many emotions.

It was so many, you know, so much going on in my head. But, you know, it's good. You ain't go get no work. You're like, what, hell, I'm going to go get this three last work. I'm going to get the cold tub, get me, get some peat in. Well, they said I had to have my bag. packed and arranged a dog in like four hours so I hadn't have no time to say my goodbye

and I had to go. Yeah, that's dope. Man, that's unbelievable. So now you get there and you mentioned like you had Clint. I've known Clint. His dad was my quarterback and my officer coordinator in Denver.

So I've known him since he's like seven, eight years old. And to see how he's able to attack you guys with JSC and yourself and all those guys, you run the football. What's it been like? Because like you said, you had it for a little while. You had it for like seven games when he's calling plays in New Orleans.

And now he has complete control of this offense. And he trusts Sam Donald. He trusts you guys implicitly. Yeah, like you just said, he trusts us and he believes in us. And he lets us know that each and every week. And we come in with the same mindset. And he has an expectation for all of us. And that's the go out and dominate, man.

And that's what we do. That's why I so special to be a part of this group is because we all kind of work together for one goal, each and every. game each and every opportunity than we get, you know, we're out there playing for each other and that's what makes it so special. You do realize that without you, there's a great

chance to Seahawks don't have, because you guys were just middling around, just meddling around, and then all of a sudden, the Shaheed bomb exploded. And then, not only did you get the punt return, they hand it down, I think they handed it to you on like third down, they had a handoff to you, and you go 31

yards down the right sideline. Yeah, I know that it was a crazy game. It's an honor to be part of that, you know, moment being able to bring my team to spark that we needed to, you know, ultimately, you know, be the first seed. Have you been to the market yet? Have you gone to the market where they catch you, where they throw the fish and you get the and you catch the fish? Have you caught any fish yet?

I did it. I did it. I got a video. I'm waiting to drop it, you know. I'm going to let everybody know that I've been there. Hey, did you catch the fish? though. The first time. The first time. I caught the fish. First time. Okay. Okay.

Oh, let me, let me do. Here's the thing, Ocho. Did you have paper or was it with the bare hands? Because sometimes they'll give you paper, sometimes they'll let you bear hand it. Bare hands. I wasn't with it. First time. It was really my mom. My mom was the one who wanted me to go up there and do it. Okay. You know what I'm saying? You got to do it. Mom wants me to do it. You got to do it. So what type of fish was it? Oh man. salmon. It was a salmon. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, things get big.

You like seafood? You do eat seafood? I do. I do. Yeah, I'm in the right spot. Sure. You absolutely, because you get it fresh coming straight out the bear and sea. Yeah.

The Alaskan king crabs, I mean, you name it, they got it. They got fish. I ain't even never heard because I'm up there. I'm like, I ain't never heard of that fish or never seen that fish. Oh, yeah. It's great. You are healthy eater? Are you, like, big on, you know, eating greens and eating healthy and all that?

Are you? I got the oats on. going on. I know I got the Ocho. There you go, Sheet. There you go. No, he said he got the Ocho method going on. Yeah, I try. I've had, I've known the method for a minute now. There we go. That's what I'm talking about. Let's go. That's go. Let's go. They cook for y'all. They get y'all breakfast, lunch, and dinner. They cook whatever you want. They cook fish. They cook, like, salmon. They cook everything. I mean, nice. I eat broccoli and rice and Brussels sprouts and cream things. Everything. Everything. Everything. You just name. But everything you just name is why everybody

keep getting hurt. Hey, I didn't say that. But we do eat good though. Do we good. You don't be eating that fast food. I mean, you don't care. If you eat unhealthy, you let the Seahawks dietitian prepare food for you. A, schooling, what would you be eating sometimes?

I be eating out. Sometimes. Sometimes. Yeah, not like you ocho all the time. Nah, he said something. It's called balance, unc. It's called balance. You definitely got to have balance.

Thank you. Got to have balance. Just imagine, Ocho, if I had you, had you eaten right, seven eight time first team all pro. I was. And I got you a couple hundred twenty-k seasons. Nah, we don't throw the ball that much back then. You would have been me you had to get.

I said, we got to get Ocho to rock. They won't listen to you. Well, she, man. Congratulations, man. good luck stay healthy do you like it do you like being in seattle you want to remain in seattle yeah i'm loving i'm loving that i feel like they brought me here

for a reason and that's to stay so that's it that's it i'm a sierra yeah yeah you married not no i'm single man oh you single boy i got somebody for you too boy yeah let me know yeah she don't speak no english though that's okay yeah that's good i got we got i told y'all that my cousin i told y'all that my cousin. Y'all heard what he said?

Yeah, I told you that my cousin. Yeah, I got you. I'm going to let you focus. I'm going to let you focus. Yeah. After y'all win the Super Bowl, and I got you. Yeah, hit me this all season

about that and about training too. Hey, matter of fact, hey, come back, you know, J.S.N. came to the receiver camp, the wide receiver workshop last year, man. Come on down here, man. Hey.

Let me get a little work in. Okay. Most definitely. Well, congratulations, man. the trade, everything has worked that brilliantly. Your one game, your one win away from reaching your ultimate team destination,

which is getting to the Super Bowl. So congratulations, stay healthy. Rashid, Shahid, the great return man for the Seattle Seahawks, and he plays the little office also. Thank you, man. Thank you for joining us, bro. Appreciate you guys. Thank you for having me. I appreciate you.

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