Club Shay Shay - Best of NFL News Part 2: Jaylon Johnson + Woody Marks TALK NFL playoffs with Unc & Ocho, Mike T STEPS DOWN

Episode Date: January 17, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson give you the Best of the NFL, reacting to several major league-shaking storylines. Unc and Ocho react to longtime Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin stepping down. Plus, Bears Cornerback, Jaylon Johnson and Texans Running Back, Woody Marks, join the show to talk playing in the NFL playoffs. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 00:00 - Bears CB, Jaylon Johnson14:10 - Texans RB, Woody Marks joins the show23:26 - Liam Cohen has wholesome exchange with reporter34:10 - Mike Tomlin steps down (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A new year doesn't ask us to become someone new. It invites us back home to ourselves. I'm Mike Delarocha, a host of Sacred Lessons, a space for men to pause, reflect, and heal. This year, we're talking honestly about mental health, relationships, and the patterns we're ready to release. If you're looking for clarity, connection, and healthier ways to show up in your life,

Sacred Lessons is here for you. Listen to Sacred Lessons with Mike Deloach on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is Dr. Jesse Mills, host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January, men promise to get stronger, work harder, and fix what's broken. But what if the real work isn't physical at all? I sat down with psychologist Dr. Steve Poulter to unpack shame, anxiety, and the emotional pain men were never taught how to name. Part of the way through the Valley of Despair is realizing this has happened, and you have to make a choice whether you're going to stay in it or move forward.

Our two-part conversation is available now. Listen to the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you're you get your favorite shows. This show contains information subject to, but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This is your boy, Nav Green,

from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcasts with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network.

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What's our nephew? He tackles two passes defenders, defended, and he's a part of the cardiac bears. Here you. Hey, Cardiff, CB1, JJ, Jela Johnson. Jay, how you doing, bro? What's up, man? Good to see y'all again.

Good to see. Hey, when you come on nightcap, you normally have to get the comeback later this season because you had a promo. all-pro season or your teams in the playoff. That's just the way it pans out. No doubt. 100%.

So that game is not going the way you want it. They're going up and down the field. Jordan Love, three touchdowns in the first half, 21 to 3. I mean, so what's going to, so walkers through the locker room at halftime, what did Ben Johnson say, what was some of the leaders saying? And then the start of that fourth quarter,

what was the sideline like? honestly it was it was honestly a crazy turning event like we of course come out we turned up we ready to go and then we go down 21 3 and it's like man everybody shut the hell up ain't no more talking ain't no no no wrong yeah now ain't no more hoorah and i just remember uh kevin byer the whole time he was like man talking ain't going to help us execute like we need to stop talking and doing all this and settle in and then really just at halftime that was the biggest thing like it can't get no worse than this like i mean at the end of day it's 213 almost 21 blow but I think too, like coach showed us a video, like a whole breakdown during the,

during camp of the Falcons and Patriots game when they went up 283 and all that and just shows like the composure. Yeah, he showed that to us early. So just like talking to Joe Tooney telling him, because he was on the winning side of it. And then Jared was on the losing side of it. So having both of the NBA their perspectives on it and then it really just, he brought it back up, like, this is that moment. Like, think back to the conversation that we had and what it took for them to get back in tune and just one possession out of

time defense gets stopped, offense started putting points on the board. And that was really it. So when we came out on defense, it was like, man, we got to get stopped. If we figured if they didn't score no more, then we'll win the game. So, but that's all we were focused on really on defense, just executing and playing more aggressive. Hey, what has, what has it been like that entire culture has shifted because of one man? Obviously, having a quarterback like Caleb Williams, and you get someone, a coach, a player-friendly

coach, as I like to call it, in Ben Johnson and coming to the area, is he the soul? reason for the reason you guys are having, the kind of success you guys are having? I mean, it's hard to say the sole reason. I think, for one, just the timing. I would say of everything. The only person get credit for that is God, of course. But I think really just the timing of when Ben got here, when Caleb got here, when a lot of these pieces all got here.

I think it would be different if he got here three, four years ago. The team looked different. Situation is different. But I'll definitely say his leadership, his competitiveness, definitely changed the trajectory of how we looked at approaching games. And again, too, I mean, you can be a good leader or you want, but you're dialing it up on offense as well, and he's always been doing that. I think just the way he controls the game, even going into that game, he's like,

if we win it, we want to receive, we want to control the tempo, control the ball. And it's like, no, man, I ain't never heard nobody say this. Oh, we want the defense to go out there, set the tone. It's like, no, let us get the ball, let us control the tempo, let it take some of the time off, and things like that. so he's definitely ahead of it. He's an offensive-minded coach. He wants to attack.

He's an offensive-minded coach. He wants to attack. He's like, oh, they think they got a defense now we want the ball. Yeah, no doubt. We won the ball. We're going to show them. We're going to take this ball and go right down to their field. There was a throw.

And I know you saw it on the sideline. That one that Caleb, that's your season. That's fourth and 11. If you don't get that, JJ, your season's over. He fought. He's rolling to his left. He backs. stumbles and throws a dime for 15 when you saw that.

He's more accurate going that way. That's the crazy part. Like it's backwards as it sounds, it's like, you don't even want to flush him to his leg because he can still get it off accurate. But when he threw it, it was just like, man, what the? Ooh, okay. It was just like, one of those was like, you thinking like, man, it's over.

He's out here doing the crazy stuff and it works. So I think, I can't even say it works. That's just part of his game. Like, at this point, it's not even something that you can just say is that just happens or a magical dini, it's like, nah, he's like, he's legit at that, and he does it in practice. It's clearly been doing this forever.

So it's just really who he is. And that's funny, I think it was yesterday came in. I've seen him. It might have been a day. I've seen him. I've seen him. And I said, hey, man, sometimes I've got a looking man in the eye and just say, say, good job. You're doing a heck of a job. Because some of the stuff he does is crazy.

That's not something you'll see every day. I mean, I'm looking at you guys. You guys were down with less than two minutes to go to the Raiders, 24-19. you win that game. You're down to the, you're down to the Bengals with 19 seconds.

You win that game. You're down against the Vikings with four seconds. You win that game. Second and goal, 2716, Green Bay, 418 on the clock. And you win that game.

How have you guys been able to maintain your composure when all seems lost? Like, damn, how we find ourselves in that situation. And somehow,

you guys make a play on defense, you get a stop, and then when you turn the ball back over to Caleb in that office, they cash it in. I think execution brings confidence, and I think at the end of the day for us, we've been able to execute it down the stretch over and over. And with that, you naturally have confidence where it's like, all we got to do is get my opportunity to close the game out or put it in our hands to close the game out. I think that's really the mentality and the mindset.

As long as there's time on o'clock, we got a way to win. So, I mean, it's just one of those things where it's switch force. I mean, for a long time, it's been the exact, obviously, where we find ways to lose the damn game. So I think for us in this building and this culture and what we have now, we find ways to win. There's a viral video going on where you're kneeling down, tricking on Christian Watson on the final play of the game.

Walk us through that moment, what was going, what were you saying to him and what made you do that? Yeah, I mean, of course, everybody's seen the prayer video when I prayed for him when he injured his knee. But really, I think for me, it was just really going back in And I don't even say checking on him, but just telling him, like, way to push through, way to battle back and come back from what he's, what he's injured and all that. And, of course, just competitive. I mean, he's still fast and still run, still blazing.

I think it's just a blessing to just see him out there. So, I mean, of course, after the second game and we don't, or second and third game, we don't have to see each other no more. Definitely want to take that time and tell him like, no, like, I'm proud of you and how you bounce back. And I feel like that was something I don't want to say old him, but felt like it's something I had in my heart to do. A lot of been made about being. in the locker room saying up the Packers after the win. Yeah.

I mean, and then you see him, I mean, he almost like, I mean, he ran up their head. You know, normally the coaches they run up there, they shake each other hand. They lean in, good luck. Hey, wish you the best.

Man, Ben read that thing like this here. Like, hey, like he stole the man TV earlier that day and they won't the man to slicking me in the life. Yeah. I mean, honestly, it's one of those things where it's like, it's good to see that competitor. I feel like people pick and choose

when they want people to be competitive and they want the coach to be aggressive and competitive. And then when he shows it, it's all he's this, he's that. It's like either you want the competitiveness or you don't. I mean, at the end of the day, too, it's a rivalry. Coaches have hidden rivalries. I mean, they've been competing for a long time against each other. I mean, the end of the day, it is what it is.

He's embracing that Chicago nature, too, at the end of the day. Yeah. Hey, you guys obviously have the Rams coming up and obviously not wanting to give a game plan away. But I think what do you guys think that defensively? to be able not to stop, but to contain Devonty Adams, Pugna Coole, and Matt Stafford and those boys offensively. I think guys like me got to strap up.

I think it's kind of just as simple as that. Because, I mean, it's not so much too high you can play. They're going to run the ball. So, I mean, it's not like you can just hide and try to just do all these things. I mean, at the end of the day, guys who get paid to cover or go out there and cover. And, shoot, the rush got to hit home as well.

So, I mean, hopefully there's some, we're going to have some. I mean, it's Monday. So, I mean, we got some time to figure out how we're going to be executed. But I know, especially for me, this is a pride game. I go into this game more than, more than excited, more than willing and able to go handle whatever needs to get handled. So, I mean, for myself, I'm just preparing myself for that. But I know everybody on the back end, we all got to, we all got to step up and really take pride in this game.

Because, I mean, it's going to go through, it's going to go through Puka, it's going to go through Devante. And the big boys up front got to handle the running back and the quarterback. So that's really how I'm looking at it. Yeah, because you, I mean, you look at it. that's like, well, it ain't know like, well, I follow this guy, you follow that guy, because both of the guys can. Hey, he got a line out to go against whoever comes to. And the other guy led to meet your touchdown.

So, hey, either one of these guys, you know, can go off on a given. And pook is so physical. People don't realize how big puka is. People think because he lines up in the slot, Jay, is that he's a small guy. No, puk is big as hell. He got them Polynesian bones. Yeah. Pook will be out there with no tape.

Pook will be out there just, just, just, just boat rolling. And it's funny because, like, for me, I went to school with his brother Samson. So I, like, know the family, been around him, talked to him at the Pro Bowl. And it's like, if you knew his family,

you'll know how, like, nice he is. And, like, it's almost true. He has plenty of, like, athletic family members. They all play basketball, super crazy athletic. And it's like, for him to be the youngest are doing what he's doing, it's really no surprise to me

because, I mean, shoot, we were trying to get him at Utah. Yeah. Look, you dealt with a core muscle injury. I think they call it a sports hernia. Is that what you, because you didn't have in certain things? That's not what I had. That's not what you have. So what did you have?

No, I had tour. So initially I tore my like adductor. So it's like with all those things kind of connected from the adductor going into the pelvic and then the core going into the pelvic. Once you kind of tear one, you kind of more likely going to tear the other one. So in Detroit, I end up tearing pretty much the core part of that connection. And then naturally I had some damage leaking to my other side. side. So I really got both sides repaired, growing and core.

Wow. So you good now, though, huh? Yeah. I mean, as far as my surgeon injury go, but it's like the rehab is almost never ended almost for about a year because, I mean, all the scar tissue builds up and be in the position that I'm in, sliding, moving ladder, or it's like, you're breaking it all right. Yeah. So it's been, it's been tough on me, honestly, because it's like, when you know you can't move how you normally move, you start overcompensate. say now your mind is messed up and now you're like, man, do I got it? Like, hang out with my mind.

So now it's like for me, that's really what I was fighting like the first three, four weeks. I mean, being in pain, taking damn numbing shots and like for the games to be able to go. I mean, it's really been a lot. I've been. Hey, it's, no, it's been some stuff. And people are, oh, man, jail is not healthy. You damn right.

I'm not all the way healthy. But I think really just for me just continuing to just continue to just continue to attack the rehab. I just got out the massage table a few hours ago. So just trying to just continue to get myself the best chance to win. But I'm looking forward to a full. off season to get really healthy. But you know, Jay.

Hold on. Hold on. Go ahead, Joe. Hey, listen, if you talk about getting healthy in the off season, you, you might. I know, I know where to go for a look. Where, where? To you. I'm calling you up.

Hey, no doubt. There you go. There you go. I got you. I got you. Listen, on the field, off the field, but I'm also, I have a meal plan that you can have me next year as your nutritionist. I had you right.

I'm already on it. I just had me and Mick Gritty, uh, Mick, Mick, uh, Mick, make muff another day. See, that's why. I'm trying to tell you. I'll bring it to the facility. Ask the guys about me. I bring McDonald's chicken plate breakfast every Saturday.

You see? You see why he's so great and what he do? Huh? I've been taking notes. For sure, for sure. You got to get to people what they want. It ain't a little... See, he's eating the chicken bread.

He was eating the, you know, grilled. He wouldn't have had that. Oh, that? No, but that's the part that people don't see. Is that what an athlete does just to be able to go. out there. Yeah.

And then when you don't put up the numbers, you bet when you don't put up the numbers or you're not playing like you're supposed to play, they, the first thing they hollered, oh, he washed. Bro, the man had surgery.

He just came back. He's having to take injections just to get his ass out there. But you know what? All they see is one with Johnson on the back of that jersey. That's it. They don't care how you got that.

You could have drove a bulldozer to get to the game. You there now. Yeah, nah. And it's funny because That's why I'm glad, like, I'm not on social media because, like, I don't see it. I just kind of hear from my people that are on it, but it's just like, for me, it's like, I know what I'm going through.

And it's like, realistically, I shouldn't even have came back when I came back. Like, I took every measure to try to push my body, push myself. And it's like, oh, y'all see it. Oh, yeah, Jaylon's not healthy. It's like, yeah, but Jason's also still giving the team the best chance to win, like, regardless of me being healthy or not. But, I mean, for me, I ain't worried about it. At the end of the day, I know what I can do. and I know I'm getting better, and you can see it on the tape.

So, I mean, at the end of the day, that's all I can ask for. Well, we're glad you're back, man. Hopefully you get healthy, but hopefully the off-season you get to push that back a little bit. Yeah, yeah, no, I ain't going home. You got some big fish to fry right now. Yeah, I ain't going home right now. So, man, congratulations on the unbelievable season.

Glad you got an opportunity to come back. Stay healthy. Go out there. Hey, no, no, you one step closer. No, that. One step closer. Man, congratulations. Hey, when y'all take care of that,

to get that win on Sunday, come to holl at us. I'll be back, trust me. All right, appreciate it. All right. I'll be easy. Jalen Johnson, quarterback, Chicago Bears.

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He had a breakout performance in the Houston 30 to 6th win over the Steelers, a FC wildcard round, a career best 19 carries, 112 yards and a touchdown. Harry is the outstanding running back from the Houston Texans, Woody Marks. Woody, how you doing, bro? What's up, Woody? You muted.

I'm doing good. What's up? Okay. We're good. ISO, how you doing, bro? You good? Yeah, I'm good. She's living.

Talk to us about that performance. You guys, you, your best game of your career. and you had it on one of the biggest stages, the NFL, the wild card game. You're in Pittsburgh, you know, they do a really good job against the run. Why were you guys able to have such success running the football that night? Everybody started Wednesday. I knew it was going to have a big game. Just Wednesday practice when we first went out there.

The guys were linking up and just moving people off the ball. And then it came on to Thursday. I was like, all right, it's carrying on. Then Friday, it's carrying on. And then who was like, I would run a bad coach. He was like, yeah, we're going to have a good night running the ball. It just came to life right there. It seemed like you guys wore them down.

They had Damiko on the sideline. He was talking about, that's what I'm talking about. Where I'm out? Where I'm down? And you guys seem, because that last touchdown, you broke like cellmate tackle. They were just like, well, the hell with it. It's over.

You broke their will. You broke their spirit. Yeah, for sure. We were wearing it down. We kind of heard them talking on the back end saying like, man, we running straight at your face. That's what Nick Chub told us. We got to do.

So we come and straight at your face. They play bully ball. We're going to play bully ball too. Hey, hey, Woody. You from the ATL? Hey, what's up, bro? Hey, hey, tell me something, what's the biggest changes

from the regular season to the postseason that you notice? in this year. Descrutable of it. You got to be locked in. No plays off. Every play matter. I feel like extra points to kick off.

What you put in the landmark at? Everything matters. Yeah. What high school do you go to in Atlanta? Carver, Atlanta. Oh, okay. Okay. Christian Kirk also had 144 receiving yards.

What was, I mean, you guys have your, your best day on the biggest stage when it's needed the most. I mean, could you, I mean, because your offense struggled a little bit early on. You had three turnovers. Your defense kept, didn't bend and it didn't get, getting concede anything. But you guys got it together. What was it about that week of practice that let you know that you guys had what it took to go on the road and get a very tough, hard fought victory?

But you made it look convincing. Yeah, we didn't replay plays. I think we went. That was out fastest on Fridays. not replay plays. So everybody was locked in. So I knew I knew it was going to have a great game. Yeah.

Hey, what is like playing for DeMarco, would he, considering, you know, him being a former player. And what's that, what's that been like?

It's good. Just seeing him, he'd be over there on the defense side, playing linebacker when we on scout team. So we see how physically he was. He tried to, he tried to break it. Like,

you don't got no pass. So you better move, by the way. Hey, what do you tell him to, hey, DeBico, bro, if I'd have been playing when you had been playing, I'd have ran. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, it's true. Look, you got a very tough opponent. You got the New England Patriots and everybody knows what the Patriots represent.

Even though Tom Brady is not there, Mike Brable played a number of years with them. He brings that old school coaching, kind of like you guys, a very physical in the run game. Play outstanding defense. do not turn the ball over. Do not let them have big plays. And the weather prediction is indicating that it might be snow. You guys play indoors. You guys play indoors.

They play indoors. You play in Jacksonville. It's really nice and sunny. And Tennessee, I don't know when you went to Tennessee. Sometimes Tennessee, it does get cold in Nashville. But this is what you, you're one step away from being in the AFC championship game. What is your thought process? What is D'Amico today was your first day of practice, if I'm not mistaken.

So, no, yesterday was your first day of practice. What has been D'Amico's message? We're taking to play Houston ball. We're a tough team. No matter of the condition, when they place that ball down, we're going to get the rocking. We just, that's what we live by. Offense, defense, special team. We all don't get the rocket when they placed their ball down.

We play inside, but we football players. We don't play it in the rain before. We don't play it in the snow before. Probably not football. but we don't been outside in this, you know, just playing around as kids. So we know the feeling of it. When we get there, we'll be used to it. You play for Cliff Kingsbury at UFC.

D'Amico. What's the biggest difference between D'Amico and Cliff? I was with Link most of the time. It's really not a difference. Link kind of did the same thing. Be over there on scout team. Link and Riley. Yeah, Link and Riley.

Link and Riley. Link and Riley. I meant to say Lincoln, right. I said clear. Link and Ryan. He was more of an offensive, offensive-minded guy. Coach D'Amico, he's more of a defensive guy,

so you kind of see the difference in between that. But both of them want to run a ball. Just hearing him say, we want to run a ball. You got to run a ball. That's what people have been preaching to me. You got to run a ball in the playoffs. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, especially under them conditions. Y'all might be under, you know, this weekend. And you're going to have your lunch pair ready to go, man. Let's have the big boy pants on. Let me ask you this. Houston. Man, what's it like living in Houston, Woody? Uh-oh.

What did I live with him? Hey, Woody, tell with that. Come on, Woody. Hey, hey, hey, go. Hey, Woody, we're going to come down there. Hang out, Woody, but tell us what it's like. You've been in Atlanta before. It's about the same.

I'll live in Atlanta. I said that, man. I say it's like a bigger Atlanta. Yeah, it's a bigger Atlanta. About the same thing going on. She got good food. Mm-hmm. everything.

Whatever. Everything you got in another, you got out here. I don't know. I think they got about a little bit more and used it on with it. I ain't lied to you. Yeah, they probably got a little bit more for me. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.

Hey, you got to spread out there because of me, Ocho and Joe, we need to come out there. We need to do a place to lay ahead. We good. I got you out, for sure. All right, bad. Say, live. Now what I'm talking about, Woody. That's what I'm talking about.

That's my homeboy. That's my homeboy for the crib for the head. So, you know, Homeboys League up, we go, hey, we go out, you know, grab a couple of drinks. That's all, you know. Oh, yeah. We go Uber everywhere we go. We don't need to have no ride. It's Uber.

Yeah. It's going to be good. Black truck. Huh? Black truck. Huh? Okay. Okay.

I'm all for that. I'm all for that. Huh? It's on you, though. Oh, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got to cover that. Yeah. What a hospitality? I got you out of the trip.

Damn. I got you to Chris. Okay, you know what? That's good enough. That's all I need. Vegas can't be choosing. You know what, Woody, we appreciate that. We go ahead of a black car.

We'll do that. Hey, man, congratulations, man. Great work on Monday night, man. Carry it over. You guys look good. Tell D'Amico, I said, what's up, man? Wish you the best of luck over time. Good luck, bro.

Yes, sir. Woody Marched, Outstanding Young, Running Back, for the Houston, Texas. had a breakout game. 19 carries 112 yards, one touchdown. He ran extremely hard all night long. And at the end, it was that running physical style that the Houston, Texans, offensive line,

and running backs played with that finally wore down in the levy burst. And when he broke that long, that touchdown run, you could see that was the Pittsburgh Steelers. You saw something you hadn't seen from a Steelers defense in a very long time. They hung their heads because they know they had thoroughly gotten their ass kicked that night. And listen.

That run game and their defense, that's what kept them in it. That's what you're going to get you out on this, though. But y'all, you ran so hard, man, Mike Tom to step down the next day. He said, man, I don't want to more this. That man, you saw that young man come in there and the other dude did that, the defense beat us like that. Two doses. But appreciate that, Woody, man.

Enjoy it. Enjoy this time, man. You got something special going. Keep it going, keep it going, bro. Sure. Yes, sir. Appreciate you, bro. All right.

Yes, sir. Every January, we're encouraged to start over. But what if this year is about slowing down and learning how to understand ourselves more deeply? What if this year is about giving ourselves permission to feel what we've been holding and knowing that it's okay to ask for help? I'm Mike Delarocha, host of Sacred Lessons. This is a podcast for men navigating stress.

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What's up, man? This is your boy, Nav Green, from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcasts with Nav Green on the Black Effect podcast. That's net one. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs.

The cheese. Oh, it's a rap. It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now, then? Drake May up there. Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did his vote Knicks at?

He ain't too far behind. He did all this talk about. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan. But Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation?

He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Navgreen from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. Oh, Joe, there's a viral video going around about a reporter having words of encouragement from Leon Cohen following the Jack's playoff loss. Let's take a listen to what the video talks about. How are you doing today? Lynn Jones, Jacksonville, Free Press News. I just want to tell you, congratulations on your success, young man.

You hold your head up, all right? You guys have had a most magnificent season. He did a great job out there today. So you just hold your head up, okay? And ladies and gentlemen, Duval, you the one. All right? You keep it going. We got another season, okay?

I appreciate it. Take care. And much continued success to you and the entire team. Thank you, ma'am. Well, I made you see the video is very heartwarming. Others have called it out. Now, Lynn Jones said that she's under criticism because she's black. I'm a member of the Black Press.

I'm the editor of the Jacksonville Free Press in one of the more than 230 African-American papers support the Black. like, press. Oh, Joe. Talk to me, because you're better, because you're somewhat in that space and understand when it come to journalism,

what you can and what you can do, what's professional, what's not professional. And for me, on the outside looking in, being that I'm not really in that space, being a player, not being a coach, but being a player and hearing words like that, coming from someone who is supposed to be a journalist and ask questions on maybe why did you lose, what didn't go right, stuff like that,

and hearing something different for a change, to me, it was refreshing. Yes. Fressing to hear. I'm not used to it. That is my first time ever hearing someone approach. Probably the first time. Yeah, it's my first time hearing something like that. Oh, it is?

So I would love to hear your thoughts on what she did. Normally media members are supposed to be independent. Yes. They're not supposed to support or criticize. I mean, you know, you could criticize. the plays here, the plays that, but it's not like she's a columnist. A columnist is different than a beat reporter.

So from on one hand, yes, that is very out of the ordinary. For them, for a reporter to say, you keep your head up. Yes, sir. You did a good job. We're proud of you, whatever all she's saying, there's next year. normally reporters coach obviously was a tough loss for the season but what what did you think if you could do it over again what would you like to have over what would play you know things of that nature so we don't normally that's i think a better word is that reporters are supposed to lack empathy they're not supposed to show compassion in that moment she can see that his head was down she's probably covered if she's probably been every press conference this man has had since he's been the head coach's the head coach's the Jags. Yes, sir.

She could see he was hurting. She would see he was down. The empathy that she showed in that moment, most journalists like, I understand it's nice, but she's not supposed to do that. She's supposed to be Switzerland. She's supposed to be neutral. Right. So she's not supposed to be sad.

She's not supposed to be excited. She's not supposed to be disappointed. She's not supposed to be angry. She's supposed to just ask questions and write. Do her job. That's it. Matter of fact, for her, she is the outlet for what the fans want to hear. She's supposed to ask the question to the head coach in that moment.

So the fans get the answers on why things then go the way they think it should have. That is correct. Yeah. Listen, I understand both sides. Obviously, the notion that it was unprofessional, I don't like that part of it because to me it was refreshing to hear a reporter, actually have empathy, forehead coach in that situation with all the work that they put in,

the success that they've had this season in seeing that coach is obviously distraught, you know, in that moment. So giving him that praise in that moment, I don't see anything wrong with it, but I can see those that are journalists, that are in that space and do their job in a certain manner in a certain way and finally seeing someone do it a little bit differently then with they're not used to hearing or seeing,

I can see why they're upset. Yeah, yeah. I'm not surprised that she got the criticism that she got. I knew that was coming. I knew that was coming because, like I said, like I said, journalists are not supposed to have basically any emotion. You're just asking.

You're just asking questions because you are the link between the fan and the coach. Right. You're asking questions that you think. the fans that would want answers to and deserve answers to. So you're not supposed if someone's down, you're not supposed to show compassion.

Somebody's feeling so too good, you're not supposed to try and bring them down. You're just, you're there. You're just to ask questions. Right. But like you said, it is, it is, it is, it is, it was different. Yeah.

And I think, I wish, personally, more people had empathy. I don't think we have enough. No, absolutely not. I don't think we have enough compassion. Right. Especially in those spaces.

Especially in those spaces. I'm curious what the chat would think. Chat, I would love to hear your thoughts, you know, on her, you know, taking a different approach as opposed to asking questions, but giving coach grace, you know, for the work he had done and telling him to keep his head up. I'm just curious to hear what you guys may think as well. Well, I think the thing is, I think for the most part, the chat is going to like, you know, most people are level-headed and they, they, it's kind of like, Ocho, I look at it like this.

When somebody else has surgery, it's minor. When you have surgery, it's major. So people don't, as long as if I get empathy, I'm cool with no one else getting empathy. Right. Or compassion. And I think the thing is that, you know, we've all been there and we needed to pick me up.

And I think in that space, as a journalist, that's one of the things that you're talking, journalism, you're not supposed to feel one way or another, or you're supposed to suppress those and not let people know. Do I think journalists have a liking to a certain players? Sure. Do I think journalists have a liking to certain coaches? Sure. Do I think players have a certain dislike to certain players and coaches? Absolutely. Yes. At the end of the day, a journalist is a human being. You might be, you're might supposed to be able to contain your emotions.

That doesn't mean your absence of them. And I think that's the biggest thing is that people think, okay, just you're this. No, I still have emotions. I still have feelings. I still have, I still have empathy. I still feel sympathy. I still have compassion. I still have, you know, I get angry or get upset or whatever the term that you want

to use at the end of the day, no matter what my occupation. is what my title is, no matter how much money, at the end of the day, when you, if I got $700 billion, if you got Elon Musk money, Elon Musk is still a man. He's still, maybe the same thing that triggers that makes him get upset doesn't make you get upset. Maybe it's the same thing that makes him happy doesn't make you happy. But he still has emotions. Humans are not robots. They're not devoid of feelings. But I thought it was, it was a, it was a, it was refreshing to hear her say that, but I knew she was going to catch some criticism for, for saying in that space.

Now, she had pulled him aside. Nobody would have heard, but she said it in a public forum. Right. And I think, you know, so I'm not surprised of the criticism that she's receiving for what she said because I knew it was going to happen on show.

I did. I really did. It's over and done with now, I mean, I just, you know, sometimes I do wish we had more compassionate than that, you know, but some people have more than others. That's just the way it is, don't you? Yeah.

We, some people just have more compassion than others. I mean, maybe it's a game, but I always give homeless people money. And maybe it's a con. Maybe they're not homeless at all. Right. Maybe they got a car parked across the street somewhere and they get in their car and and change clothes or go home and shower and put on it and do it all over again.

But hey, it is what it is. They'll have to answer for that. I won't. That's the way I look at it. That's the way I look at it. So I like Liam Cohen. I think the Jags have a very, very bright, promising future in front of them.

Oh, yeah. They got a good team. They got a good team. And the guy they took with the second pick in the draft really didn't give them anything. So when he comes back, as a wide receiver. You saw Parker Washington step up.

They got Jacobi Myers. Brian Thomas Jr. Didn't have the type of season that he had the previous year. So just imagine if he gets back to what he was, Ocho. Man. You know what?

And I also look at it. We're now with the way Parker Washington played this year, Brian Thomas Jr. is probably going to be there next year. Jacobi's there now. I can see a role where now Travis Hunter playing full-time DV and a part-time wide receiver. Yeah, full-time DB, part-time wide receiver, yep. I think that's probably what it's going to be.

Which I thought was the best case scenario for him anyway. But hey, you said that. That'll be something that I'm sure we'll have an opportunity to talk about that. Once they get back into the OTAs again and once they get to the training camp, we'll kind of see where, and I'm sure the reporters that are at practice, he's taking this many snaps on the defensive side, this many snaps on the offensive side, and maybe it fluctuates up and down.

But I think that's kind of the direction that they're heading in. I think probably where he gets the majority of his snaps on the defensive side and takes a few snaps here and there where he can help them on the offensive side. Big news of the day, Mike Tomlin after 19 years, steps down for the Pittsburgh Steelers. And because he stepped down, that means if he signs with another team,

they're going to owe the Pittsburgh Steelers compensation. So it probably was a mutual agreement. Look, you do your thing. We're going to do our thing. We're going to move in a different direction. But to make it look classy, we're not terminating you because that's three coaches in 50 years. Chuck Nall took it from 69 to 92. Coach Kyle took it from what?

From 92 until 2006, 2007. And then Mike Tomlin took it over from there. So they've only had three coaches in 50 plus in what since 1969. I mean, so you can't argue the success that the Steelers have had, but I think this was great for both teams because I do not believe the Pittsburgh Steelers were any closer, be it with Mike Tomlin, based on how their roster is assembled,

the quarterback situation, the offense. I don't think they were close. And having a non-losing season, that's not what you're really going for, Ojo. That's not the standard. It's never been a standing where to come to the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are a championship-winning organization. If I'm not mistaken, they had, what,

five, six Lombardi's on? No, they have six. So obviously, with the standard, being the standard, you can't be satisfied. We're just saying, okay, at least we don't have a non-lose season. We above 500 this year. We talked about it last night. I think they're going to allow him to walk away. And lo and behold, today, you know, he walks away.

It's shocking. I didn't think that. What did you think is, Joe? Man, I think Mike Tomlin took a good, hard look at the situation. It was like, you know what? Maybe I should take some time off. But like y'all said, I think it was a mutual decision. And I think he's going to get a coaching job somewhere

because there's so many coaching vacancies in the NFL right now. And it's a lot of jobs that look pretty good. And I think he'll definitely end up coaching again someone. Me personally, I think he moves to the front of the list. I think he jumps in front of John Harbaugh. I think so. And you look, now what thought was, you know, Harbaugh has his pick of pick a pick.

Now with Mike Tomlin on the thing, because you're talking about somebody that's been 19 years, that's been to multiple Super Bowl. Yes, he's only won one. Yeah. He's won more division. titles than John Harbaugh. So the Giants, that looks appealing.

Atlanta, that looks appealing. Tennessee, that looks appealing. I think Mike Tomlin is going to have this choice. Where he wants to go, where does he want to coach? Does he want to take a year off? Does he do TV? Or does he want to jump right back in it? What if it's not even the NFL?

What if he takes a college job? What if there's some vacancies in college? I'm not sure if he wants to have to deal with the NIL drama. But still, I think Mike Tomlin is going to be able to go anywhere where this college level, what's the NFL, but he's going to have to go to a situation that's advantageous for him. But if you don't have a quarterback, you can be right back in purgatory like you will with the damn Steelers.

Right. I agree. I don't see college with my company. I don't either. I don't see. And first of all, there's no college vacancies open currently. That hiring cycle,

I mean, LSU's gotten filled by land camp in Penn State's been filled. So all the coaching vacancies has been filled. But they have a lot of them in the NFL. Arizona's available. Atlanta's available. Tennessee's available. The Giants are available. I like the Giants.

Hey, now it's been reported that LaFleur and the Packers are trying to work on a long-term deal. You got one more year left and you don't want to be a lame duck. You want some security. And you want the team to realize like, okay, because a lot of time, the players will look like, man, you only got one year. We ain't listening to you. So give him some security. Let him let the team know that he is in charge. But Mike Thomas, this shocked me.

And you said it last night that you thought the Steelers would allow him to step away from it. I didn't see that coming. I did not see that. No, I did. I mean, honestly, the right was on the wall. The right was on the wall and the fire tom and stuff. You know, the noise, it got louder and louder, Joe. It got loud and louder. The man is becoming, you know, kind of dissatisfied with just mediocrity.

That's never been the standard for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So at some point, understanding, and the problem is, this is the problem. When you had been, Rothersberger, you should have already had someone in place. They didn't have a succession plan. They should have it in place. They didn't want to step on his place. told, though. Green Bay gave you the blueprint.

Yeah. They had Brett Barr still playing at an elite level. They get Aaron Rogers. They get Aaron Rogers still playing at an elite level. They get George Love. Now you've got a succession plan in place, but you wait. Well, I don't want to step on running. Bro, you can't worry about his feeling.

Because guess what? He's happy. Man, they ain't draft no quarterback. But look at a look where you. Look where it left you. Right. Right. So because, you know, Ben started to get older. You could tell Ben wasn't the same guy.

So you, in order to be a head coach, and this is, I think, one of the reasons why coaches don't get close to players. Because at some point in time, on Joe, you're going to have to let your best player. You're going to have to let him go. You would have to make very, very tough decisions. And so that's why I'm really surprised that Mike Tomlin decided to step away. But like you said, it was a situation where the noise, it is starting to get louder and louder. I mean, like, really, fire Mike Thompson.

Yeah. You never heard. I don't think you heard. I mean, like I said, I was, we didn't have 24 hours. It's been a while. Of social media. Right. Coach Noel or Coach Cowher.

I know early on when Coach Cowher didn't have, but Coach Cowher went to the Super Bowl in his third year. Mike Tomlin won the Super Bowl in his second year. Yeah. So he's had success and went back again, I think three years later, ended up losing to the Packers. But since then, we talked about it last night, guys.

Joe, Ocho and I was talking, seven straight losses in the playoffs. Tied with Marvin Lewis for the longest in NFL history. Look, we love Marvin. He was a defensive coordinator when I was in Baltimore, orchestrated a historic defense. He was your head coach. Seven straight losses in NFL history.

As long as the NFL's been going on, that isn't a record. That's not something you want to be a part of. Not what you want to be a part of. But I'm like Mike Tomlin, though, for a number of reasons. First off, he was a culture changing. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Absolutely. And not only that, y'all know this because y'all play the game, but he's going to get to respect any other players. All the players on the team's press. He walks in instantaneous. So wherever he goes or whatever chance he gets, like, Unsa, he probably jumped a, he'll probably jump hardball to get a job. But, man, they know he'll come change the culture wherever he goes.

So I'm looking forward to it. If anything, shoot. We got a special guest joining us for Boys Night Out. Good friend about it. I've been knowing this dude, man. What's our old? What they do, baby? I took that thousand to hundreds. He owe you?

Yeah, he knows. Wait, Oka, I owe you? Remember we bet that thousand on the show? For real? Oh, he'll develop some amnesian now. You do order that a thousand dollars. I got you. I got you.

I got you. I got you. Thank you, John. I've been knowing this dude. This dude, we used to work out together, run and track together. Go break bread together. So it's always good to see if,

even though every day, once in a while, we'll text each other. Man, you in Atlanta, y'am in Atlanta. Let's go break bread. So it's good to see you. Talking about stepping down. Are you surprised that the Steelers and Mike Tomlin are parkways? I'm surprised. He was there for so long.

Him and Harbaugh, the two coaches, him and two decades. And like you say, you're only going to coach what you got. Yes. And if you ain't got it, you know, sometimes fans won't you have more? And I think he got a lot out of the team he had. they were still missing some offensive pieces. You know, he tried, made the playoff,

and, hey, they ran to a jugger all that night. Houston is the best defense in the league, so you got a 40-year-old quarterback. Yes. That's going to be hard to beat them young guys. It is. But the problem, and you're right, you can only coach what you have, but a part of his job is to make sure they have.

Yes. He's the charge of the roster. He chose to go and get a 42-year-old quarterback. I don't know what you were thinking, how far a 42-year-old quarterback was going to take you, especially in the cold. Yeah. Most quarterbacks, as they start to get age, as they get older, they like warm weather.

They like Miami. They like Tampa. They like to be indoors. Second of all, when he had an opportunity, I think the thing is he allowed his relationship with Ben Rothersberger, not to not allow him to draft a successor to Rothersberger. Like Green Bay did, they had a successor for Brett Farm. They had a successor for Aaron Rogers. You've got to think, you've got to project.

You can't like think Ben Rothensberg is going. going to play there for 30 years. And so I think that's what really happened because in the way the NFL is set up now, it used to be bring your run game, bring your defense. And you could get away with a marginal quarterback. In today's NFL, you've got to have a stud to play that position if you want to go far. You can make the playoffs.

But if you talk about going far and winning and challenge for championships, without that piece, it's not happening. I heard you and Joe talking earlier. Trey Young. got traded. I'm surprised, but I think what happened, and Joey, we talk about this. In his absence, you saw Jalen Johnson go to another level.

And you're like, hold on, this kid young, he's six foot nine, he can handle the ball, he can dish out of six, he can rebound, he can score. Trey, we love Trey, but we're talking about a guy that's six foot tall that really doesn't rebound, that doesn't play defense. Yeah, let's move in a different direction. Let's see what you get as far as that said. Joe, let's go to you first. Are you surprised that they finally moved on from Tray?

No, I'm not surprised. I thought the writing was on the wall because they played so great when he wasn't in the lineup. And then you put the ball in the hands of Jalen Johnson. I didn't know he could play, make, the way he does. Like I told y'all, I just told, oh, in the month of December, he averages triple double. Yeah. Like, that's a red for a guy, six, nine, handling the rock, he can score the ball, he can make guys around him better. And then the guys that surround him, they all lock in, play defense.

They gritty, bro. They gritty. So I think they kind of showed when Trey was absent and out the lineup, and obviously they was ready to move on from it. That's why you don't let nobody get your father. And that's why when you buy a Bentley, they say, when you buy a Bentley to keep low miles on it. When you sell you, get your money back.

Yeah, exactly. So I guess Atlanta tried to sell Trey, get their money back, to give you somebody else. But they really didn't get money. They basically got CJ on an expiring contract. Yep. That seemed like the way they wanted to go to have some maneuverability. this off season.

Right. So, I mean, Trey was the face of the franchise. I don't think Atlanta ever forgave them for swapping. You had Luka. You traded Luka for Trey. And I think Trey was perfect for the city because of Atlanta, but you look at what Luka doing,

Luca. Right. Neither one to play defense, though, O. Neither one to play defense, but I think Atlanta didn't go to get the piece of the fit with Trey. L.A. would get the piece of fit with Luke. Yeah. But Luka is still a problem, too.

he's 6-6, 3's 5, 11, 6 feet. But my thing is, both are going to shoot the 3. I think Luke will maybe get the guys involved more than the trade, but trade is small. Yeah. So in Washington, he can be okay. Because they need somebody to bring the fans in. Yes.

And then his contract, they're going to pay him for the next three or four years. He's going to get his money. He's going to get his money. But they're going to see what can he involve with the team. That's going to be the thing. I think the biggest thing is also, Joe, is that being a great player on a bad team. They're bad team Just get your numbers

That's the That's what you go get You get you See that a lot In NBA Now guys get their numbers They're getting paid When they pay you

When they pay you That's $34 million They want to see something Yeah Most of the time A lot of these guys Get that $34 million They game going

Another way Yeah They're not really They're not Look On really good team You can't be paying A whole bunch of guys

You got to like Sett Now Oklahoma City You saw what they did They gave Shae his money They gave Jdub his money They gave

his money. At some point in time, you can't pay, everybody, everybody can't be on the max contract. So they're going to start losing some of those auxiliary pieces, kind of like what happened

with a Golden State. Yeah. They're retired and these other guys start going different places and start branching off. So it cuts into your depth. But you look at Atlanta, I still don't think Atlanta is a contender.

Even with CJ and Johnson and Dice and Daniels and Walker, I don't, I don't. They probably need. about another piece or two. Being as far as Biggs, another rim protector, a guy who can move great in pick and road, things of that nation.

But I think they're on the right trajectory as far as, you know, where they're trying to go. Now, are they going to get there? I don't know. But I like the team that they have, those guys, blue-collar workers, they got some guys who can score. And like I say, Bigfeller, Jaylon Johnson, he makes all those guys better.

So they're a fun team to watch, though. He definitely should be, he definitely should be an all-star. Oh, he'll be all- NBA, y'all. Yeah. All-N-B-A. Yeah, all NBA. Do you keep up what he did in December? Yeah, I didn't know he could come like that.

But this brings something else to the lander, the ball's flowing. Yeah, there you go. Guys stand around waiting, what trade going to do? Trade dominate the ball. Right. So now they're going to have more team chemistry. And when you get more team chemistry, everybody's going to, like, okay, go out and fight. Everybody's going to fight every night.

They're going to go out and fight every night. So now they go to, like I said, the fans might be mad and trading, but they're going to see you, like on the floor, that's when you're going to see the difference. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and ball hoppins. Oh, I know you follow football. So what's your thing? You see the first game on Saturday,

you got the Broncos, Buffalo, and then you got the 49ers who went into Philly and put an upset. They take on the Seattle Seahawks. The Seahawks beat them the last game of the season to take over that division. And then you got the Patriots, take on the Texas, and then you got, yeah, and the Broncos and Buffalo. Who do you like?

I don't know. It's going to be tough. I've been saying you're saying something probably the best football in years. Right. Guys, you know, going down to the last possession and the defenses, you know.

Yeah. I don't know that. I know they want Buffalo to be there, but, you know, you got to win the game to get there. Exactly. But I think I'm going to go with the young dogs. I'm going to go with Houston.

And I think even Seattle is playing great. But I think New England and Buffalo, I probably take New England, New England, New England, Seattle in the Super Bowl. Wow. I like that. I can see that. I like that.

I like that. A rematch of Super Bowl 49. There you know. Maybe it'll be a different outcome. You got a baby Tom Brady in New England. And they got that defense in Seattle. Defense of Seattle. Yeah, yeah.

Man, Oak, appreciate you joining us football. No problem, man. Thank you guys. Boys, not out. I appreciate you, man. All right. Oh, come to get that money to you. 99.

99. We put another nine with it. He all be old. So let me go out. I'm going to collect oak money. I'm going to let me go out. I'll say it, though. I didn't let me go out.

I'll let him. My interest used to be tripping O'Say, he's a long shot $10,000 $10,000 $10,000

$10,000 he don't cover it it not He was half about that Yeah, I'm saying Appreciate your own man Thank you stop me by man

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