Club Shay Shay - Best of NFL News Part 2: OBJ BROKE?!, Eagles’ Kevin Patullo to GET SECURITY after fans EGG his house!

Episode Date: December 6, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson deliver the biggest reactions from NFL Week action! Unc and Ocho dive into Odell Beckham Jr.’s viral comments about losing over $100 milli...on, Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Eagles OC's house gets egged after loss to Bears19:14 - OBJ sending subs to NightCap?34:20 - Tyrod Taylor joins the show!44:16 - Jeudy blames media for sideline drama (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:28 I believe in that solely. So listen to good luck with that on iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ocho, hours after the Eagles lost to the Bears on Friday, Philly OC Kevin Petula was a victim of a house getting egg. Petulah has been heavily criticized this season for the underperformance of the Eagles' offense. The team ranks at the bottom third of nearly every offensive category.
Starting point is 00:02:55 Ocho, consider how much egg costs. Man, ugly damn, like, what, $8, $9 a dollar? Hey, listen, they told me we were in a financial crisis. They told me the economy was bad. And we got people out here wasting the eggs to eggs in my house. Listen, I love the Philly fans. Philly fans are very passionate, a very passionate fan base. They travel well, they support their team through thick and thin.
Starting point is 00:03:21 They ain't really had too much thin. But, God damn, this is the same fan base that through snowballs, Santa Claus years ago, I hear that story all the time. He deserved it. He ain't bringing no gifts. So something like this doesn't surprise me being how serious they are about their football team.
Starting point is 00:03:41 They won the Super Bowl last year. Things haven't been the same. The offense doesn't look the same. So who is the blame? Whose name keeps coming up over and over and over? Listen, that they're going to look too far. They're going a little too far. They need to have 24-hour security at Kevin Petulow's house so he doesn't have this issue anymore.
Starting point is 00:04:04 They don't do the players like that. I mean, I mean, damn. I'm very far. Look, I get it. I get that, you know, fans get upset. They want to win. I mean, they're so passionate. You know, fan is short for fanatic.
Starting point is 00:04:18 And when you're fanatic about something, you sometimes, you know, you go over the edge and you get fanatical about it. Yeah. That's not to excuse, because I don't want you guys to take this the wrong way to say it's because they're upset. They have a right to be upset. Boo, all that you want to. Yes. Don't damage the man property.
Starting point is 00:04:37 Yeah, yeah. Come on, that's too far. That's too far. Don't damage the man's property. That's what I'm saying. Look, they need to get this thing fixed. It was a lot easier for Jaila Hurst to play quarterback last year because Ocho, he was throwing the wide open windows because, you know, it was single coverage.
Starting point is 00:04:54 Because we got to get this eighth guy down. to stop Sequin. Got to stop Sequin. Look, he's not the greatest throw of the football. And that's not a knock. There are a lot of guys that's been able to make in the league without being great throws of the football. Everybody, look, everybody going to be Aaron Rogers.
Starting point is 00:05:13 Everybody's going to be a Patrick Mahomes in some of these great throws of the football. Some people are going to have to win games a different way. Right. And so, you know, we, I think the thing is with Jaylin is that we look at him, And it's not as aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Is he as great a throw in the football as that?
Starting point is 00:05:34 No, absolutely not. You might say that, well, he won a super, okay. If that's your only measure, take off. But there have been a lot of players that have won Super Bowls that's not as good as some of the players that haven't. Right. But they need to figure this out and what's going on. Jalen's going to have.
Starting point is 00:05:55 They're going to have to trust Jalen. Jalen's going to have to trust them, and he's going to have to take some risk. Mm-hmm. He just is. Yeah. Listen, I... Because I just don't see a scenario,
Starting point is 00:06:07 now, Ocho, where this running game, this running game ain't even close to what it was last year. No, absolutely not. And the fact that it hasn't got going this late into the season is probably not going to show up. It's probably not going to show up. I mean, I mean, this far into the season. But one thing I do know is,
Starting point is 00:06:25 I wouldn't count Jalen out. Honestly, regardless of whether we could run the ball, regardless of how people feel about him being able to throw the ball, I think they all have a win-in mentality. And that goddamn, that quarterback, he has the worst, the worst. When it comes to just, it's football.
Starting point is 00:06:46 Football owner, he don't smile. He don't make no jokes. He's locked in and he's been locked in since they win that Super Bowl. So if they're going to win, I think he's going to have to be on the shoulders of him and on the arm of that quarterback. And I think having A.J. Brown, having Devante Smith, I feel they're going to be okay. Kevin DePoole, I mean, Mr. Petulow, he's still going to be calling the plays. He's still going to be calling the plays.
Starting point is 00:07:12 So it's going to the onus in winning those games since you can't run and going to have to come from Jalen. I think the thing is for me, Ocho. I'm going to see if he's going to be the offensive coordinator next year. Because I remember when they went through that law. Yeah. And he said he believed in him. Right. That quarter, he wasn't the coordinator the following year.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Right. And that's when they brought Kellyn Moore in. And Kelly Moore, they got called the plays. They went to the Super Bowl and they won it. So we'll see. I mean, everybody says, oh, yeah, we know we win as a team. We lose as a team. But we'll see how much are you willing to take losing as a team before you make changes?
Starting point is 00:07:50 Right. Because we'll see. Listen, they're going to make them. But, you know, the coaches, you know, Seriana going to say all the right stuff publicly. He's going to say all the right stuff. They do everything is always politically correct when they speak. But he knows their issues because jobs, you know, jobs are at stake. I know you're just coming off a Super Bowl win last year.
Starting point is 00:08:10 But, I mean, hell. I mean, what's going on this year is unacceptable. You know, by their standards, by not just the team standards, not the organization. Hell, by the fan standards as well. That's why they're egging the goddamn coach house. We're not finished, we're not, man, what's all? Man, you got, you better get it, you better to get together, dickhead. You better figure it out.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Yeah, it's tough because like when you win the Super Bowl, that's the expectation. Yes. And people think Super Bowl's easy. People think you just, oh, once you're winning, you just keep winning and winning and winning. No. People don't realize like, when Tom, when Tom, they like, okay, they won in 01, the missed the playoffs in 02, and then they won three and four. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:08:51 They didn't win in five. They didn't win in six. They got back in seven. They didn't get back in eight. They got back in 10. Then they missed 11, 12, 13. They got back in four. It's, bro, it's hard.
Starting point is 00:09:05 It's hard to repeat. That's why they have only been a handful. They've been, what, 59 Super Bowl winners? Only a handful of those are repeated. It's hard. It's not something that's easy to do. Because you have so much turnover as far as, like, you get your fridge, you can only sign a few
Starting point is 00:09:23 and then people come steal some of your best players that you can't resign some of your best coaches they get other jobs, Ocho they go to college, they get jobs in the NFL and then
Starting point is 00:09:34 you are, this is the biggest problem that you have. You get guys wanting to do more with what they did last time was enough. So everybody wants to be the reason why, so now I need to do more. Ocho, you called 85 Paul's last year,
Starting point is 00:09:50 man, I need to catch a hundred now. No, 85 was plenty. Yeah. Yeah. But I think the thing is like... Hey, what, we're in week 14, right? Yes. God damn, Unk.
Starting point is 00:10:04 But the season is over, way? It is. It is. Two months. Two months. They got a chance to turn it around or what do you think? If it ain't turned around or at least show signs of... I think it's going to be incumbent on Jalen. I don't think they're going to be able to run the football.
Starting point is 00:10:22 I don't because the offensive line isn't the same. Your center's banged up. Your right guard is not very good. Your right tackle is not Lane Johnson. Right. Dickerson is injured. You know, he had his knee operated on before the season. So he's basically out there on one leg, just gutting it up.
Starting point is 00:10:39 They're not the same offensive line. They're not the same offensive team. Yeah. I got you. Listen, listen, for for too low's sake, I hope things turn around. You know, I think he needs to have. 24-hour security outside his home from this point on.
Starting point is 00:10:56 I mean, it's unfortunate that it has come to this, but I think he also needs to understand how serious the fans of Philly take their football. This ain't no joke. The fans of Philly, they beat up Santa Claus, man. They hit him with snowballs.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Like, you know, you know how serious that is? Mm-hmm. I do. We took, Santa? many people in Philly don't play and they do not play there's a certain standard that you must
Starting point is 00:11:32 live by as a coach, as a player and we don't meet that goddamn standard what happens you get egged you get snowballs I mean no disrespect I'm not trying to be funny
Starting point is 00:11:46 I'm just saying like Philly men I'm fan they don't play they travel well they support and they mean business And a lot of the teams current two games kid Eagles ledger self-joiner
Starting point is 00:12:00 But I should have called Seth If I didn't know that you could have I'd have called him He came on tonight That's my guy man We're at self 98 Wait You said joining the running back
Starting point is 00:12:11 We had The running back No self was a linebacker Oh He was on Green Bay in 97 We beat them in Green We beat him when he was on Green Bay then he came to us and got a soup bowl and said,
Starting point is 00:12:24 I'm out of here, bro, I'm done. In light of the team's current two-game skid, Eagles legend, Seth, Jonah had some harsh criticism for AJ Brown. Throughout the season, AJ has consistently complained after wins because he was unhappy with his lack of involvement. Over the last two games,
Starting point is 00:12:37 he's had his best two statistical performance of the season, and we didn't hear any complaints out of him. Losses. Jonah took issue with that. A lot of people are going to be pissed at me, and they might be even pissed at me, but a lot of ways he's a typical receiver. a 21st century wide receiver diva he's selfish because he's getting the ball on a regular basis
Starting point is 00:12:57 and there's no complaining the Eagles lost two games in a row and a j brown had nine plus targets and a touchdown you ain't complaining now that tells me that's all that bitch in the money was really about was really self-centered well you got damn right the fuck what are you what is he talk about goddamn set yes all receivers want the ball that's the whole point what to talk about everybody's selfish at some point in the game of football yes it's the teams for it yes we want to win but also we need to be productive we want to be productive he didn't sign up the if you wanted to run track he would have ran track if you wanted to run up and down the field
Starting point is 00:13:38 and not do anything and not be productive he would have ran track he wants to be productive he makes $33 million a year he wants the ball to coincide with the money that he's making. Yes. Winning is a team accomplishment. It's not just on A.J. Brown. It's not just on Sequin Barclay. It's just not on J.L.Hurts. It's a team effort collectively as a group. When everybody does everything right in unison, you get a W. I mean, what are we talking about here? it's tough very because a part of me understands what he's going through yeah um
Starting point is 00:14:31 and a part of me like man look i wanted the ball too but i understood at the end of the day it's just hard it's just hard and fans are going to look like bro we winning man we winning we winning just shut up if we weren't winning and you're not getting the ball i'm gonna be on your side, I'm going to have a battle, throw to AJ. But when you're winning, and I get, he told, he promised the owner that he wasn't going to speak out anymore, so he wasn't going to say anything after games or he wasn't going to put anything on social media. So that's probably, that might be a reason why he's not saying anything because he
Starting point is 00:15:08 promised Jeffrey Luror that he wasn't going to say anything. It's just, it's just tough that when you win, the complaint, because I I thought the ultimate goal was to win. And I get his point that, look, I'm a number one receiving. You paid me money. You traded for me to come here. Okay, treat me like that and throw me the ball. Hey, I got a question.
Starting point is 00:15:32 Yes. You know, the Eagles defense gave up. You know how many yards last week? I do. Yeah, a whole lot. Got damn defense, one of the few games, one of the few games all year long, finally, that damn collapsed and when we needed
Starting point is 00:15:53 the offense to pick us up what happened? Yeah, they ain't show up on it. I keep telling people, I say, look, whatever your best unit is, they're going to have an off Sunday or two. The question
Starting point is 00:16:07 is, can the other unit that's not as strong, can you pick them up? There were a couple of games in the regular season in 2000. Our defense didn't look like the defense that we had no and come in love. Offense had to pick it up.
Starting point is 00:16:23 We picked it up against Jacksonville. We ended up winning 39, I think 39, 33, 39, 36, something like that. And we ended up, it was a close game against the Jets, the last game of the season. But at times, it's those types of, those happen. Yeah. But like you said, for the better part of three months, the defense had been sensational, it has been stalwart. Awesome.
Starting point is 00:16:47 And the offense, okay. man we ain't got it today come on AJ come on Sequan come on Jaylon come on DeVante so it's hard for any unit to be up here
Starting point is 00:17:07 again another example the Super Bowl with Tom Brady they have been scoring all those points they scored more points than anybody else in NFL up until that point. Mm-hmm. And the one game, they couldn't get that.
Starting point is 00:17:21 What did they need the defense to do, Ocho? Lock them down. Lock them down. We got the lead, just keep them out the end zone. Right. We kick a field goal. We go on the time. We might win the top, boom, go down, it's go, boom.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Happens sometimes. Sometimes it happens that way where the unit that's not as strong or hasn't been as statistically strong during the regular season. We need them come, pull us through for a couple of games, don't you? Right. Happen sometimes. It's tough.
Starting point is 00:17:55 It's really tough. Hey, does it get any easier for the Eagles? No. No, they got Sunday night game against the, uh, oh, they play the Chargers. Oh, my God. And the Chargers defense, hey, Khalil Mack, uh, uh, uh, the similar, I forget his name, 45. They can put pressure on your.
Starting point is 00:18:18 quarterback. Let me see. Derwin. Derwin, yeah. They got Henley. They got Henryman. Henley, nice. Khalil Mack.
Starting point is 00:18:27 They're collapsing in the pocket. They can run. Yeah. Now, we're going to see Justin Herbert had surgery today on that hand. Yeah. They say he's day by day. They'll know more later in the week whether or not he's going to play. They got no, I don't know if they have good a chance.
Starting point is 00:18:39 They're going to have a winning if Trey Lance is the quarterback. But, hey. Damn, man. You can't. You can't, you can't force your defense. Because think about it, Ocho, how many plays that defense played on Thursday? Oh, Friday, excuse me, Friday, Friday. They played Friday.
Starting point is 00:18:57 They play Black Friday. So, hey, guys. Hey, hey, today we ain't got it. Y'all better be getting it because we ain't got it either. But it's tough. Yeah. It's tough. Because when you're the guy.
Starting point is 00:19:18 I, you know, people don't look, but, hey, how many balls you catched today? Man, I ain't cashed with three. Damn, what happened to you? Man, they ain't throw me the ball with hey, you mean what happened to me? So, it's tough. It's tough. Hey, you know, it's a few teams, you know, in some issues and troubles with their seasons, you know, right now where it's, it's looking dim. It's looking dark.
Starting point is 00:19:45 The chiefs is another one. They got to get it together. Oh, they got to win out. Oh, they got to get it together. Oh, Joe, I remember, look, let me tell how I was. I remember when I first got the undisputed, and they're like, man, Skip be doing all, man, you skip talk all the time. I say, I don't get paid by the word.
Starting point is 00:20:05 I get paid by the day. Right. So long as I show up, I'm going to make the same money. Right. When I was the CBS, you know, we have all those people on the panel. You might get, hey, first of all, It's an hour show. You got the host
Starting point is 00:20:19 and you got four of the guys sitting up there. So by the time they get to you, hey, sometime I have like three minutes. All I know,
Starting point is 00:20:28 that direct deposit hit, I got paid by the date. So I ain't, I ain't complaining about no talk time because they don't pay me by the word. Right. They pay me by the word that I'm trying to get in.
Starting point is 00:20:37 I'm talking over everybody. I ain't going to hold you to that. I'm talking over everybody. Let me get, hey, let me get my quota in. Right. but but I get it
Starting point is 00:20:49 I get you know part of me do empathizing with AJ he's like in his prime and you know he knows he's like man
Starting point is 00:21:01 I know what y'all gonna look at last year now I'm going to look at this year because y'all you're going to say I got a year older I'm getting closer to 30 and you know when they get 30 is normally the cutoff
Starting point is 00:21:09 yeah you know how they play you know how they play you know how they play with you know how they play with you so AJ All I just say is just, bro, just go out there and just keep playing. Hey, just keep fighting hard, just keep playing.
Starting point is 00:21:21 Just try to stay positive as you possibly can, you know, pick up hurts when you can. Yeah. Hey, hey, Philly fans, Philly fans. Come on, man. I love y'all, man. Don't do the coach house like that, man. Don't do it house like that. Don't do it like that.
Starting point is 00:21:39 Now watch, watch Petula going to go out there. Man, Jen and going to throw for about 500 yards, man. Well, that right tackle better pick it up Because Kalil Mac ain't bulljabing If a Lenovo gaming computer is on your holiday list Don't shop around Just go directly to the source, Lenovo.com It's your last chance to score exclusive deals
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Starting point is 00:25:42 Oh, Del Beckham tweeted, presumably, I guess it's at us. Boy, you can't say nothing to the world nowadays. That's why I've been in my own lane, my own world, and put it the way. People love to take ish out of context to rationalize a statement in their own head that makes sense to them. What a world. Video came out today of Odell selling game worn chrome heart cleats for 50K. Yeah, a, um, remember, remember when I, um, you were telling me the story, um, and I said, I thought, I thought he was given, um, perspective and context on how difficult it is to, to be able to manage money. I didn't, I didn't really think he was talking about himself. No, Ocho. If you got, oh, Ocho, what's difficult about managing 60 million liquid? Hold on. Well, what's, what's difficult? Um, the number, the percentage of athletes, NBA, NFL, MLB is damn than 90% now. So I mean it's difficult. That's why I thought I thought because the first thing when he said it and gave context context and perspective on how difficult it is. I thought he was meaning in general not specifically talking about himself. That's all. But go ahead. I get what he's saying. Yes, sir. You're feeling first of all spending four million dollars and in in yearly expenses. Yes, sir. Your home family home X Y and Z. Well, first of all to spend that you
Starting point is 00:27:12 you need to make at least $10 million. Right, because you, depending on where you are, now if you're in a state that takes 50%, now if you in Las Vegas, you in Nevada, you in Texas, you in Florida, I think Ohio has no state income tax. I think Arizona is like 2%. So if you're in one of those states,
Starting point is 00:27:26 so it's gonna take about 10 million to do that, to have that kind of lifestyle. Right. Now, now what happens is Ocho is that you still try to maintain that lifestyle, Joe, when you're not bringing in 10 million and you're still spending out that money kind of money going out. That's why they go out.
Starting point is 00:27:42 That's why you see guys go belly up, Ocho, is that you don't change your spending habits. It's the same way, if you're an athlete, you eat whatever you want, you work out. Now all of a sudden you're not an athlete and you still eat whatever you want. Now all of a sudden, DBs look like D. Lyman. That's what happens with money.
Starting point is 00:28:00 Hey, hey, Un, think about what you just said. Hey, Joe, think about what you just said, right? Think about what Unk just said real quick, right? Is you live in a lifestyle when the money's coming in fast. Right. You become accustomed to that lifestyle. That lifestyle actually becomes your image
Starting point is 00:28:14 and it becomes an identity. Yeah. So once you stop playing the transition to be able to stop and have the discipline to be able to cut it off to become a minimalist almost in a sense, it's almost impossible. It's hard. Because you always want to maintain that lifestyle
Starting point is 00:28:32 and that image. Because what's the first thing everybody that you're trying to goddamn impress no say? Oh, he ain't got it in a moat. Oh, he broke. And the first time, Ocho, you ain't got a new. new car, man, hey, he must be doing bad. Yeah, he's doing bad. Right.
Starting point is 00:28:45 You know, hey, you just see here with a new whip every other, yeah. Hey, hey, hey, Joe, and Uncle, one thing about it, boy, I learned early. I learned early. I did not want to try to keep up with the Joneses. I did not want to keep, hey, Joe, and Joe, I did it when I was making the bulk of my money, Joe. Joe, I came in the NFL already cheap as hell.
Starting point is 00:29:06 I didn't care about people making fun of me. I didn't care about certain types of women not want to date me because they know, yeah, he ain't going to be paying nothing. He's not, you know, you ain't getting nothing out of it. That's okay. But I understand, I understand dealing with you is nothing but a liability anyway. Right.
Starting point is 00:29:21 You know, I got the table and the legs you got ain't going to hold it up. Hello. Hello. You know, so you understand that you play the game, Joe. It's all a game. And the better you learn to play the game, the longer you will be able to be without.
Starting point is 00:29:37 It's okay. But so many of us, So many of us are so caught up and looking like we fucking got it. Like I don't everybody want to be rich. Everybody want to look like they like like shit. No, that's not reality. Social media has us fooled. It has all of us fool.
Starting point is 00:29:57 They ain't got me fool. They ain't got me fool because I don't dare well. I do okay and I ain't living like that. No, I ain't got it like that. Right. You know what's scary Joe? Joe, this is scary part. And this is, this is for men and women.
Starting point is 00:30:11 When it comes to the people that try to maintain that lifestyle and you know they don't make the kind of money to continue that lifestyle, especially if you don't play sports, if you don't play sports and you and all this flashy shit, that means you're willing to do anything, anything to maintain that image. That in itself is dangerous, Joe. Yeah. If you leave the sport and you get you a gig and you make you money like. Stephen A. You're making money like Strayhan. You're making money like Tony Romo. You're making money like Tom Brady. Yeah. Take off.
Starting point is 00:30:48 Wait, hold on. Hold on. Now, what you're not going to do is I ain't going to mean, I don't mean to put the people in our business, but if you're making money like Uncle Ocho, shit. Hey, listen, hey, boy, hey. Uncle isn't putting no money like that. Huh? Uh, uh, uh,
Starting point is 00:31:03 uh, uh, don't set everybody up, everybody good, mom good, sister good, everybody good. Listen, listen. I'm going to say this one more time I see the numbers at the end of each month just add us to that goddamn equation I'm going to tell you what my grandma always told me huh speaking into existence
Starting point is 00:31:24 we do okay Ocho yeah we do okay we do okay hey when you say okay add three more wires to it okay Ocho I saw a guy today I saw I read a quote Yes, sir. And the guy was basically said, he says, as you become more famous and you become more well off, relationships become more transactional.
Starting point is 00:31:46 Mm-hmm. Understand that. Understand that. I'm learning that. Do me a favor. Do me a favor. Just in case the chat didn't hit you because I got one for you. Say it one more time.
Starting point is 00:31:59 Say it one more famous. Make sure the chat hit you. The more famous you become and the more well-up you become, the relationships become more transactional. y'all know what transactional is yes i agree let me let me get let me get let me dive a little deep for you real quick uncle joe even if you're not wealthy even if you're not making millions even you're making 100,000 or even if you're a thousandaire you know you know to get paid every two weeks the individual that you're dealing with is still dealing with you based on the ability for you to provide and give them stability in a sense of people
Starting point is 00:32:36 peace always always so it's still a line those those same that same quote and analogy that unc used are still aligns regardless of how much you makes based on your partner ask your partner and tell her to be truthful if you lost the opportunity to provide if she'll still be there ask your partner if you being able to make things convenient and the opportunity dealing with you didn't present itself in in a good manner if she would still be there and tell it to be be honest with you. And, you know, a lot of women to say, oh, I don't deal with nobody for no money. It ain't it. It ain't about that. Like, come on. Let's stop. And the funny thing about it is you're always paying for who you're dealing with. And the only thing, this is the only
Starting point is 00:33:24 thing, Chad, I want you to do me a small favor. Go to my Twitter and read my bio. Now, there's a joke at the beginning, but I tell the truth towards the end. And I'm, I'm I'm gonna just leave it. Just go to my Twitter and read my bio and the truth is sitting right there. No matter what they try to tell you, that's what it all comes down to. No matter what they say. Yeah, but I just think the thing is, look, $100 million contract. I think everybody understands 100 million.
Starting point is 00:33:53 Nobody's getting all 100 million of that. You got to pay, you got to pay federal income tax. I don't give a damn what state you live in. You've got to pay federal income tax. And you have something called a jock tax if you're a professional athlete and you go to certain states, you got to pay for the money that you earn there. If you go to certain states and you work, you have to pay money that you earn in that state. So I think everybody is, nobody is under the assumption anymore that when they see a hundred million, somebody actually
Starting point is 00:34:20 got a hundred million. But to get 60 to get basically, if you, like I said, you live in a tax free state and you only got to pay 30, 30, let's just say on the high end, you're paying 37% federal income tax. That means of a million dollars, you get 637,000, you get 630,000. So if you bring home, if you got 60 million liquid, theoretically, Ocho, you put, you put that in a thing, a fund, you put that in a fund, you're going to get five to eight percent. There'll be some years you get 10, 12 percent. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:51 So even if you're just getting five percent on 60 million, that's three million dollars a year. Man, if you can't live off three million dollars a year, you got issues. Yeah, we're in trouble like, like a Jay-Z or somebody, they got full-time security and they got all these shelves and they got all these people. Obviously, it requires more than that. But I'm saying for the average person. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:09 Like myself, Joe, you. Yeah. Man, if you came to. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, I'm not average. I'm extraordinary. Now, I'm saying, I'm cheap as hell. No, I'm just bullish and I'm the boy.
Starting point is 00:35:21 But I'm saying people like us because the average person is not going to be in a situation to make that kind of money. Right. I'm not talking about, you know, I'm talking about, look, if you got, if you make, if you make a million dollars a year, unless you got extraordinary expenses, that you should be good yeah yeah absolutely get you a nice little get your nice little house payment say you know five somewhere between five and seventy five hundred a month yeah get you a nice car you and your wife get a nice car she got one you got one kid because probably if you make
Starting point is 00:35:53 that kind of money also it's hard you're gonna probably be sending your kids to private school it just is what it is there are very few people that make a million dollars a year and the kids go to public school i'm just being honest with you now i know i know know everybody say I send my kid it's easy for you to say that when you're not in that situation but most people that make that kind of money their kids go to private school yeah and what we were trying to do we didn't say it was oh we were just trying to say how people go belly up yeah because when you have kids multiple kids and you live in certain states and you pay five 10 15 20 thousand dollars per child oh got three kids if you got if you're paying that
Starting point is 00:36:31 kind of money for the kids guess what else you're paying for yeah private school private schools cost you somewhere between 10 and 30,000 a year. So now compound that. Yeah. So you pay in 100,000 a year. Oh, 100,000. Yeah. No, you pay 100,000.
Starting point is 00:36:49 Yeah. So if you pay it 20, 2020, that's 60,000 a month, times 18 years. A plus another, plus let's just say, oh, children, you got three kids and they go to private school and that's another 20,000. So that's another 60,000 a year times 18. Well, they're not going to stay the same because private schools go up every year. So it might start out at 20.
Starting point is 00:37:10 And by the time they get to be seniors, that's probably be 30, 35. So we're just trying to explain to people how it happens. Is that that, that's why they say, hey, get you one. If I could do it over again, I'd have all my kids from one. I'd have been married, save myself a lot of money, a lot of attorney fees also. Hey, see, see, that's why I'm thankful. Hey, Joe, sometimes they got to get up. See, that's what I'm going to do.
Starting point is 00:37:33 Just this conversation in general. I'm gonna get on my knees after the show. And I'm, I'm gonna thank God. I'm gonna thank God because Unk just ran off from goddamn numbers, right? And that's just, and you think, Joe, I got eight, Joe. I got eight, Joe, and I ain't, listen to, hey, hold on.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Listen to me, let me tell you why I'm grateful, though, Joe. Unk just ran off them numbers, right? Boy, I ain't never seen it, never had to do nothing like that, Joe. You know? No private school, none of your kids with the private schools, none of that? Nah, no, no, no, no, Joe. Joe, my, my kid needed character.
Starting point is 00:38:04 time now, Ocho. Hey, yeah, my kid did a character. Different time. Yeah. Even, even, even, even now, Joe, what you was paying, you'd probably have to double that even just because the cost of living is higher. You're talking about, you're talking about 15, 18, 20 years ago. So you know what the cost is right now.
Starting point is 00:38:23 Yeah. So obviously the cost of living is going up. So is the cost of raising a child is going. It's high. Hey, Joe, a, some of them numbers aren't, uh, ripping off to, you know, them people, them type of people, you know, having kids by certain people, it ain't really about the child in the first place.
Starting point is 00:38:40 Well, there'll be, that's for them. Come on, now. Come on, now. Yeah. Can you imagine having to pay for a child, 50,000 a month? Oh, 100,000 a month? Yeah. Two years old? What the hell? What we doing? Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:38:56 Boy. The fact that they, that they granted to some people. Oh, yeah, absolutely, because it's based, based on, It's based off the income. It's mind boggling. I'm like, man, how somebody need 30, 40, 50, K a month for a child, bro? I know a guy that was paying in the early 2000, we're playing 14,000 a month.
Starting point is 00:39:16 I know, yeah, I know a few cats. Who paying more than that? 14,000 a month. I know a dude playing 17,000 a month. 22,000 a month. I'm like, man. That's $168,000 a year. is where you file at, too, though.
Starting point is 00:39:36 You know, where they have them kids at. Now, there are some states that the map is capped. You could only get X amount. You might only get $3,500. You only get $5,000. Right. And then some states, they're basing on how much the father makes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:50 But I'm saying. And they make you responsible for the private tuition because they say if the child, the child should be afforded a life that if the child was with you, that the child wouldn't enjoy without you. Absolutely. Now, I ain't telling what somebody told me.
Starting point is 00:40:03 I'm gonna see, y'all can talk about a whole lot. Don't know what you're talking about? Yeah. Bull Jive. Yeah. I'm with you when you're right. Hey, hey, boy, that's, hey. I'm glad, boy, those I had kids from, boy, they weren't like that, man.
Starting point is 00:40:18 Yeah, Joe, I'm Joe, I'm getting on my knee, because I just, just, it makes me cringe hearing the numbers that I'm rolling off in the, uh-uh. And then, and also, I'm present, Joe. I'm active, Joe. And that's my thing, Uncle Ocho, it's like, these numbers, I'm telling y'all, I've heard about cats paying. Man, they almost got custody of their kids, and they still paying this amount. Absolutely.
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Starting point is 00:44:57 out of another 44 yards on the ground and a score. Harry is the best-dressed man in the NFL. Here he is, ladies gentlemen, Tyrod Taylor. T-T, what's going on? Hey, you're muted. You muted, Tyraud. What's happening? What's happening?
Starting point is 00:45:13 What's up? What? We good, man. Congratulations on a big time for you today. I appreciate it. Bro, tell us what happened. Okay, you back the past. They got you.
Starting point is 00:45:23 They grab you by the sleeve. You know you can't wear no loose sleeves like that. It was cold out there, man. Hey, you're like, hey, I'm going to come up out of this sleep. Hey, you can have a sleeve, but I'm gone. Thanks, thanks. Nah, it was a crazy play. Leonard Floyd, obviously, great reach.
Starting point is 00:45:39 But, yeah, just try to make a play. Obviously, can't take a sec. On a naked, he did a great job of redirecting and getting his hand on me. But at the same time, I can't go down. So get out of there. I took a shot on that play, but definitely couldn't take the second, get the ball out of my hands. Yeah, most definitely.
Starting point is 00:45:56 What is that feeling like, T, man? Obviously, things haven't been going that well for the Jets. You get an opportunity to be at the helm, to be that leader, to be that quarterback of that group, despite things going well, everyone talking trash on the outside. What does it feel like to get a win like that today? It felt amazing. One thing I'll say about our team all season, we've kind of ignored the outside noise that we haven't blinked. We've been in just about every game that we played, but we just haven't consistently put something together.
Starting point is 00:46:26 in all three phases. And I think today we was able to do that. So definitely proud of the locker room, the guys we've been through a ton, whether it's been injuries, trades here and there, on the wrong size of certain games. But, yeah, nobody blinked. And it was good to see the outcome
Starting point is 00:46:44 the way it did. Nick Falk had a great fieldgoat at the end to seal the deal. And it's just a great field of overall. Yeah. Tyrod, look, you came in, obviously they brought Justin Fields in to be a start to be the starter and you've been a backup since you basically I mean you had enough you did a great job in Buffalo people don't realize before Josh Allen you were the last team to take you're the last quarterback to take Buffalo to the playoffs you get to the you get to the charges you're about to start you have a real injury in preseason you're going to get an injection they went a little bit too far in and you get a problem and then you just like man am I ever going to get an opportunity to start again and you get your opportunity but But, you know, you came there kind of to mentor Justin Fields.
Starting point is 00:47:29 And if your number is called, be ready. Is that difficult understanding with that this young man, like, damn, he just can't seem to catch a break. But I still got to do my damn job. It's definitely tough. But at the same time, I think that's just part of being a pro. I tell guys all the time, I was fortunate when I got drafted to Baltimore to walk into a locker room with so many veteran guys,
Starting point is 00:47:50 you had Anquan, you're at Ed Reed, you, you had Ray Lewis, Terrell Silver, Salote. Even Joe was, I mean, a few years in at the time. And those guys took me under their wings and just told me how to be a pro, how to attack the day each and every day. And I think that that ultimately rubbed off on me into how I approach my day-to-day. And 15 years later, being able to walk into a building, like you say, on one hand, mentoring and teaching the guys, but at the same time,
Starting point is 00:48:20 being mentally and physically prepared to go out and lead if called upon. Damn, Tyrod. I didn't realize it's been 15. Hey, you got, Tyra, I said, I'm going to get 20. What the hell? What the hell is? I mean, have you set a goal?
Starting point is 00:48:36 Have you said, is there a set number of years? Or you just want to, because it's not like you got a whole lot of wearing during your body. Yeah, true that. I never set years. I always said long as I'm enjoying the game. I'm not playing through anything. Like, through an injury.
Starting point is 00:48:50 I enjoy the preparation of a season. Yeah, it's still fun. It's still like, I'm, Back in my mom, I was going to take me out to practice field when I was five years old. So, yeah, I never set a year on it. That's dope. And you know what I wanted to ask, you know, I want to go inside the locker room a little bit and talk about the team, the morale, and what Aaron Glenn has been able to tell
Starting point is 00:49:11 his players, you know, when things aren't going well, you know, you're losing back-to-back games, most of the games being close games where you guys could have won, but wasn't able to put up enough, do enough, you know, consistently offensively. How did he get the players not to, well, how did he? he not lose the locker room? Because most of the time, I've been, you know, on many, many, you know, losing seasons, you know, during my team. He played in Cincinnati, Tyrod. We understand.
Starting point is 00:49:36 Don't do that. By bad, my bad, don't you. That's a little. I just want to know. What an Aaron Glenn say to make sure he didn't lose a locker room and had players given up out there? The main thing is just keeping our standard and our brand of football the same. Obviously, this is a results business game and you want to win weekend and week out. But when you're shifting the culture and the guys are so young,
Starting point is 00:49:55 the locker room. It's about creating a standard first. I mean, that's about how you practice and learning how to win. A lot of teams in this league don't know how to win. And I would say Coach Glenn has done a great job over the course of this year of just keeping the main thing, the main thing, not necessarily being results-based. But coming in and asking a certain standard to us day in and day out, and guys have responded well.
Starting point is 00:50:22 We got a lot of respect for Coach Glenn, and he's a great leader for. us. Tyrod, look, the last game you played, I think it was a Thursday night game, and Mitch had some tough drops. He had a couple of plays that he could have made that might, and AG spoke about it after the game, but you didn't seem to have a problem today because he made a big catcher a 50-something yard or a touchdown, he split the seam, and you felt very comfortable. What did you tell him because he had to be down to himself because he had kind of fell out
Starting point is 00:50:51 of favor in the Colts, and he was a part of the package that sent sauce to Indy, He came over to you guys. What did you say, like, to keep his spirits up to have him to come out and have a game like. Yeah, it is a guy that he knows the type of talent that he has, and he wants to get it right. I mean, he's at the facility to 8 o'clock on the jugs, catching off the wall. He's always working on his craft. So when you see a guy that put that type of work in, he's intentional about the things he does. And, I mean, everyone has a bad game or off game here and there.
Starting point is 00:51:23 but that kid is special and looking forward to him being a big part of this offense moving forward. You guys are three and nine. I don't know if there's a chance that you can sneak into the playoffs, but how do you stay so positive, Tyrod? Because you keep mentioning being professional.
Starting point is 00:51:42 The process, the process, the standard is the standard, and there's an expectation that as a professional, you must be a pro professional, you're an NFL player. A pro is how you go about doing your business on a daily basis. even when things aren't going down. Yeah, the main thing for us is just staying, like I said, sticking to our process day-to-day, taking the one game at a time.
Starting point is 00:52:03 At three and nine, not necessarily looking at what the rest of the season looks like. Focus on going out and having a great Wednesday this week and being one-and-o this week, not trying to get five in a row. It's start with one game. You can't get five in a row without starting with the first game. So for us, it's about ignoring the noise. and I think we have a good locker room and the type of guys that can do so.
Starting point is 00:52:27 And, I mean, at the end of the season, look up and see what we've done. Yeah, I like it. You got the thing. I mean, they got the dolphins coming up. You know, got the dolphins coming up. Yeah, Tyros, we got there. We got to start.
Starting point is 00:52:42 He said, you can't get the five in a row until we got the first one. So now we got to get the two in a row. So we get the two in a row. Hey, we see, where is that game in a joke? They play out there in New York or New Jersey. One of them. Oh, yeah, hey, hey, you know, dolphins don't like cold water.
Starting point is 00:52:57 They don't like the cold, Tyrod. They don't like the cold. Hey, hold on, they like cold water. They don't like cold weather. Hey, no, uh, there are no dolphins in no cold weather or no cold weather. Because they're cold weather, the water's cold. Okay. They're mammals.
Starting point is 00:53:12 Last that chick, they ain't got no fur. That ain't got no fur, but they're always in cold water. No, they not. Okay, we'll argue about that later. We'll argue about that later. Tyrod, thank you for joining us, man. Congratulations on a great win, man, great game-winning drive to get that dub.
Starting point is 00:53:30 Jans moved to three or nine, thanks to a 27-24 victory over that Atlanta file. Because, man, congratulations. Hey, get you more a ticket to the Met Gallo. God, damn. Put a word in for them. They'll put a word in for them. They'll put a word in for them.
Starting point is 00:53:44 So how are you going to ask them for a ticket to the Met Gallen? We're supposed to be a team. What was they say, get me the call? I would say, can I get a plus one? You're supposed to say that off jump, man. Hey, get one for me and my boy. Ocho, I can't, see, if I said both of us, you're going to want to bring somebody,
Starting point is 00:54:00 and I got to bring you. So that's, you my plus one. I ain't going to bring nobody. You're not even. That's why I'm saying, you're my plus one, because I'm not even. You're not even in the fashion like me and, me and all tire. You're not even in a fashion like that.
Starting point is 00:54:14 You give me my 5900. I would be. I'd give me some chrome hard something. Hey, Ty, what can I get for $5,900 from Chrome Harbor? Nothing. All the pair of socks. Yeah. Yeah, you're okay.
Starting point is 00:54:26 Yeah, you're right. I ain't in the fashion like that. And that's all I can get, I ain't in the fashion. Tyrone, congratulations, man. Give some rest. Good luck the rest of the season. Stay healthy. And we'll talk to food.
Starting point is 00:54:36 Love, man. Love. All right, bro. Jared Judy didn't exactly calm things down over the week when asked by the media about the Shador Side Line Exchange. In fact, Cleveland is up in arms over him saying it's the media's fault. He's picking fights with reporters and his own Brown's teammates. Let's take a listen, Ocho, to what he had to say.
Starting point is 00:55:01 Probably taught him off camera. That's probably what I would have done different. You know, of course, I was people in mind and tell me what, and say what I see out there. But, you know, you know, it's what it is football, man. You know, me and Shreda are good. You know, stuff like that happens, you know. going to make it bigger than what it is, you know, because it's the media, you know,
Starting point is 00:55:23 and that's what you feed off of negativity, you know, but it is what it is. This is the life you live, so, you know, we move on for it. And I live in real life, you know, so what happened around in this locker room, you know, just real, not what's going on on social media and everything. So, man, it's your dog good, everything good, man. We're grave over here. Everything is magnified. Everything is magnified, especially when you're losing.
Starting point is 00:55:48 Obviously, all the turmoil, all the questions, all the, all the, the... No, they, because everything was magnified, was it magnified because, what about the Eagles? Oh, who's magnified? And their
Starting point is 00:56:00 situation is magnified because even though they were winning during that time, he had issues. You had, you know, certain people, individuals coming out, you know, having their displeasures, you know, posting stuff on social media. So it created a firestorm.
Starting point is 00:56:14 So it gave media something to talk about. Over there, over there, excuse me, over there in Cleveland, Obviously, the interaction between Judy, the animated interaction between Judy and goddamn standards on the sideline is something not new, not new, but it's new to them.
Starting point is 00:56:32 It's new to them. Two players are not on the same page and their way of communicating, it wasn't the right way to communicate. It wasn't the right way. Now, if they were winning, and they were playing well all season long, oh, it wouldn't be no problems.
Starting point is 00:56:46 Something that they just sweep right up under the rug. But listen, to do a second start, two of them, they're going at on the sideline. Oh, we got a motherfucker story now. Yeah, talk to me, baby. Why he got to be the media? The media job is the report when it sees. Absolutely. You got these histos, you got these demonstrative antics.
Starting point is 00:57:10 What do you think they think? And I told you, it could have been nothing, Ocho, but when you get animated like this and all Shadour was sitting down and then all of a sudden Shadour stands up and saying what do you mean? Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:57:24 Can I take something? Just say, look, guys, yeah, we could have I could have handled that situation better. I'm the vet in this situation. I should have handled that situation a lot better than what I did. I saw something one way,
Starting point is 00:57:37 he saw it another way. Whatever differences we had, that could have been resolved behind closed doors. I was always conscious of that, because I know, you know I'm demonstant. Because I already know.
Starting point is 00:57:48 So now you start yelling, I start yelling, you say something. And the one thing, I don't ever want to go across a bridge that I can't go back across. You say something in the heat of the moment, you know, drunk kids and angry people will tell you how they truly feel about you. So you have to be careful when you're angry about what you say. So I was always conscious of that. If I had something to say to the quarterback, be it John, be it greed, be Tony Banks,
Starting point is 00:58:19 Trent, Jake Plummer, I always like, bad brother, this is what I was thinking. And so forth and so. But by the same token, I expected them to,
Starting point is 00:58:29 you know, to give me that kind of grace also. Because I promise you, you show me up, you're not going to like my response now. Because if you bring it to me, I got to give it back to your plus-hip in the handling. Because I got to make sure you get it.
Starting point is 00:58:44 Because I don't want to, I don't want anybody to say, well, Yeah, you got this here. So that's why I was always conscious, knowing the camera was around, even not as many cameras as they have, not Ocho, but I understood, people in the stands, you getting animated, they're getting animated, there's nothing going to come about that. I told you, I told you it happened to me one time.
Starting point is 00:59:04 Yeah, just like that, but mine was, mine was in the field of playing. Oh, we Monday night football. We plan, we plan the Steelers. I'm already frustrated because they're not going to get me the ball. Everything they're doing. Ike right in front of me Safety over top So you already know
Starting point is 00:59:20 I'm frustrated So the ball When I do get the balls I mean the balls That do come to me It's going to be very few And the one Boy I'm open
Starting point is 00:59:30 I beat the double team The ball is not supposed to come to me I told Carson on this Just give me a shot I'm from to work these boys And Unk He over through He overshot it a little bit
Starting point is 00:59:40 And long behold You know the camera already on me Man You know I already keep One chin strap already unbuckled. Man, I snap the other one. I'm mad going back to the huddle.
Starting point is 00:59:51 Carson met me halfway. Before you got out of the field. If you ever, motherfucking show me up like that again, I won't throw you another motherfucker ball the rest of the game. Just like that. Not playing no games.
Starting point is 01:00:09 Why I ain't say nothing the rest of the game. I ain't say none of the rest of the game because I understood who had the control and being able to get that ball to me. Yeah, but one time. It took me one time. Never had an issue again. Because I know how I am, Mocho.
Starting point is 01:00:29 Look, I understand his job isn't easy. No, he's not. It's not. But I'm like, man, I wanted to say some stuff. But, no, I'm not going to show him up. because you know what happens? You showed a guy up. He threw it until you, you drop it.
Starting point is 01:00:49 The ball goes through your hands, then it get picked. Not everybody looking at you sideways. You say you wanted it. He threw it to you, you threw it back at him. Or you gave it to the other guy. I was always mindful of that, I really am. And even in the, I remember in college, I used to like, just throw it. Just throw it out there.
Starting point is 01:01:12 And I was just like, Coach Dave would grab up. me, say, son, I said, Coach, we go over this every day in practice. They can't guard me. That's all I'm saying. Coach, just give me a chance. Just put it up. But I just, like I said, like, look, everybody is not as versed as dealing with the media because you understand, Ocho.
Starting point is 01:01:41 it's a skill to that on it is oh joe i was very very fortunate because i remember in college i'm standing in front of the mirror i'm talking to myself they ask me a question i had a good game this is how i'm going to respond this is i'm a if i had a bad game i had a couple drops i missed some assignments i was going to this is how i'm going to do it so by the time i got there i'm like okay you know i'm looking at other guys i see steve at ward how he talked i see Dennis Smith how he talks. I hang around a little while and watch Elway see how he talked to the media. I'm like, okay, okay, okay, a little bit of you, okay.
Starting point is 01:02:18 Try to stay level, try to stay, you know, even kill, not get, not get, you know, too disappointed. You know, obviously, yeah, sometimes I'm not going to have a game. I'm going to have a drop or two in a tough spot, but just trying to just, like, just to be level, just to be understanding they got a job to do. I understand. We all have jobs to do. even though I didn't do my job to the best of my ability
Starting point is 01:02:40 that doesn't excuse me from not helping you do your job I always understood that old show and I tried to be professional always tried to be professional and that aspect of it but it's not easy when you're not playing well and and people like well the guy might have played better
Starting point is 01:03:00 if such and such would have played better yeah I don't know yeah it's it's just it's it's but social media hard now, Ocho. I don't know. What I've had fun with social media, yeah, I probably would have took some shots at some guys that I'm playing against. Absolutely. Because that's just my nature.
Starting point is 01:03:18 I couldn't help it. Let me see, you know what's funny is I didn't need social media. I use the media to take my shots. But you have to understand. See, you and I were a little different. So my comparison as far as taking shots, I would use a comparison
Starting point is 01:03:33 with me and Steve Smith, Sr. Steve Smith, Sr., he's taking shots. And he meant that. Like he meant every word he said if he's talking about somebody. Now, my taking shots, for sure. I'm taking shots and sending gifts to the secondary as a whole. You already know it's entertainment.
Starting point is 01:03:50 You already know it's entertainment. It's more of an invitation as to the competition in making sure, boy, you better be on your P's and Q's come Sunday. Better be on your bad behavior. Listen, I didn't already get you bulletin to board material. And that's up for you to be able to stop it. That's all. I mean, but, oh, man.
Starting point is 01:04:10 Well, if I could do it again, I'd do it the same way and add some more to it, but. Hey, I didn't came up with some great ideas, watching today's game that I wish I was still playing. I can go back and implement it then. Yeah. Bad Smitty, man, Spitty, Batsmitty. I haven't watched Smitty because I was,
Starting point is 01:04:30 I played a couple years. Like I said, my last year in Baltimore, I went to the Pro Bowl, which was his first year, which was 2001, Smitter's first year, It was 2001. And he was at the Pro Bowl. He was at the Pro Bowl as a return of that year. So that was my really first introduction to him.
Starting point is 01:04:45 And, you know, he was always, he was always, he was always, he was always, he was always cool to me. He's always been respectful. He's always been great. But man, just watching him play, he's angry. He played like he's six five. He, he is, he's literally angry. Now, he'll catch a touchdown.
Starting point is 01:05:01 And if it means that if I catch his touchdown and celebrate, I got to whip your ass in the corner of the end, though, I'll do that too. if I got to fight you in the bill of the feet hey man no he found you have to understand a chat i don't know if y'all know does the chat know that steve and i played at santa monica junior college in la we played on the same team so what the people with the world saw once he got to the NFL hell i saw that in 1997
Starting point is 01:05:26 in 1998 in la he was the exact same way he was a he was a pit bull he was angry nobody might not have pissed him off but his style of play it was like somebody did something wrong to him. Like somebody pissed him off. Yeah. And he said, you know, he's dealing with some issues and, you know, he's gotten counseling
Starting point is 01:05:46 and he got counseling, got better. But he's a lot better now. Man, Smithy used to be like, I'm like, Smitty. Damn. All the time you're on 12. Hey, he's fighting. Hey, listen, he's whipping teammates. He whipping the other team.
Starting point is 01:06:02 You know, it's who it is. Yeah. He's like, sharp, man. don't play with me hey would he say don't play with him and leave that alone he mean that now
Starting point is 01:06:14 don't let that size fool you everybody be talking they talk reckless now he's still hey he's still on that type of time now absolutely he's still on that type of time he still on that type of time
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