Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL NEWS PART 2: Scary Terry OVERPAID? + Anthony Richardson’s FUTURE

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are back on Nightcap breaking down the hottest NFL headlines! Unc & Ocho debate if Terry McLaurin was OVERPAID with his massive new deal, question Anthony Richardson’s FUTURE as the Colts’ franchise QB and much more   0:00 - Colts not looking to trade Anthony Richardson 9:44 - Commanders, WR Terry McLaurin reach 3-year deal worth up to $96M 30:21 - How Kyle Hamilton's extension will impact Lamar Jackson 39:11 - Paying Aging Players   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the Solid Verbal College Football Podcasts on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We don't just love college football, tie. We live it. OGM, Chris Ballard said team is not trading Anthony Richardson. It is easy to say, okay, he's done. I don't agree. I've said numerous times. I don't agree with that.

I think overcoming challenges and obstacles along the way are good for anybody, for, for anybody. I do. I'm proud of Anthony of where he's at and how far he's come. He's come miles. It's tough on any young quarterback in this league, but for him to keep taking the growth steps he has and worked so

hard and not get the goals for himself, all right? Now continue to do that. That's when we've got a chance to see real growth. Mm-hmm. You like that, Ocho? You like what he had to say? Absolutely. Also, also from

from a business side of things, we know we don't, we know that the long-term answer is not Daniel Jones. We've seen a small symbol side of what Daniel Jones was. No, we saw a big job side. They weren't small. So the thing that all of a sudden,

okay, my bad, but to think that Daniel Jones is the answer long term, that's not it. So why would you trade Anthony Richardson? He's only 23 years old. He's probably going to continue to grow, continue to get better.

Sometimes other quarterbacks reach their potential much sooner than others. Maybe it's going to take Anthony Richardson a little bit longer. or maybe the benching now again and losing this spot is a blessing in the disguise for him to continue to grow, to continue to get better. And at some point, if things aren't going well in Indianapolis with Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback,

do you know who's not going to have to come in and be that savior for the rest of the season? Brother Anthony Richardson, absolutely. They would not let him go or trade him somewhere else where there is no backup. No, of course not. I think I don't think he's trading him now.

Now, we might be having a different conversation. next off seat. Okay, yeah, that's different. Now, that's depending. That's depending. If things, right with Daniel Jones and what he shows us, what type of growth, maturity from the quarterback position, being able to execute the offense, facilitate the ball,

without the turnovers, without the mental lapses that he has from time to time. Now, that can save not just in job, but his future in Indianapolis as well. Yes. So if he gets an opportunity, he's going to have to take full advantage of it because he's not getting another chance after this,

Ojoe. He gets back in there and he doesn't take advantage of this opportunity, they're going to move on. Because it becomes cost prohibited for them to keep him on the roster. So and you're never going to get the value for. I mean, you took

with the fourth pick in the draft. The fourth pick in the draft, Ojo, you do realize like that's supposed to be at the fourth pick in the draft, you're supposed to be franchise altering, especially if you're a quarterback. I mean, any player that you take it that high up, he's supposed to be

if it's a quarterback, a running back, a wide receiver, a tight end, he's supposed to be franchise altering. And normally you hope, Ocho, you don't have to bench a guy. Now, we'll see how he took to the benching, because

we saw what it did for Bryce Young. Bryce Young. Let's see if they could have the same kind of impact on Richardson. Yeah. I hope I hope so, too. I hope so.

He's a talent. He's a phenomenal talent, man. Once he puts it all together, it can be a beautiful thing. I mean, look, oh, Joe, but you look at it. A guy started, he started 13 games in college. He started 15 games in the NFL. That's 28 total starts. Most of the really good, the really good quarterbacks,

you'll get one or two. You get a Cam Newton that only starts one year of major college football, 13, 14 games and camp. Or you get a Joe Burrow who starts, you what, 14, 15 games. And I think he might have started the junior. I'm not sure if he didn't.

I don't think he started more than 25 games. With that being said, but most of the time, these guys, you got to get, I mean, that ain't a whole lot of stars. 13? Think about the Ocho, 13 starts and you're a project and you get your top five pick.

Do you know how I'm missing? talented, you must be? Yeah. But the bad thing about it is the NFL is not patient. The NFL is not patient because you have to understand people in jobs on the line. So when you draft the quarterback that high,

that high, and you're expecting to be not only a generational talent, a franchise changing quarterback, you know, listen, the Texans did it. Hell, the commanders did it. So not understanding. Look how many, look how many games. Look how many games, Jay Daniel started, though.

He started like damn than 50 games, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. And that's the difference. But obviously, there needs to be a little patience on the Indianapolis Coast side on that franchise, but they don't have that kind of patience. They don't have that kind of time because people jobs are on the line, on? People jobs the line. I can't be patient for the simple fact, in three years,

I'm going to have to give a guy a quarter of a billion dollars. And you're telling me to be patient? Now, it's not something like, you know, once a point of time. If I can see Ocho, if, it's like if I got 10 cars, you know, I get like, man, this car might be worth something. I can sit that one to the side. I can't sit my, man, because growing up, Ocho, we had a Chavelle, we had a Chavelle, we had a Chavelle, SS with the rally racing strikes down. We had all that, we had all that stuff. We couldn't sit that car inside because that was our everyday car.

Right. I can't stash Anthony Richardson. because I need him to play but I need him to play well because in three years I'm going to have to give him a quarter of a billion dollars somebody's about to get a contract

for 400 million, Ochoe and 250 to 300, 275 is going to be guaranteed so I can't stash it, I can't be patient. Now it used to be I'm going to let the eggs hatch. Now I get my chicklets

from smashing the eggs. Come on up out of it, damn it. I'm just being honest with you, Ocho. Look, you've been in the league, I've been in the league, we've been around the league. That's how it is now. Ain't nobody waiting. Ain't nobody waiting on you. Listen, most of the time, honestly, you think about owners,

think about owners, especially in the NFL, they want instant gratification. They want into debt, you know, because most of the owners, they're businessmen. And most of the time, what businessmen do is when they want results right now, they throw money at it. But it doesn't work. that in the NFL. It doesn't work like that. So the frustration piles up because in other areas of business and aspects that I have going on around, once I throw money or something, right away I get results. But it just doesn't work that way when it comes to NFL and

finding an adequate quarterback that you can rely on for a decade that we just build around. Well, the thing that you and I talk about is that all of a sudden you start to base your success on somebody else's. See, it didn't have patience because I'm looking around the league and I see what Bo Necks did. I look around the league and I see what Jane Daniels did. I look looking around the lead and I see what C.J. Stroud did. So now, hold on. Oh, wait, you went higher than, than Bo. Why, why are you not playing like that? Why can't you be, why can't you be C.J. Stroud? Why can't you be Jane Daniels? So now you're basing your guy's success on someone else's success. And so now it's almost like, Ocho, you're looking at

somebody else. You're basing your marriage on someone else's. Okay, they look happy, but You don't know. You don't know what they put into their marriage to be happy. You don't know how they're coaching said player. You don't know how he receives information. You don't understand how he processes information. So with all that being said, you're looking at it. You're just looking at like, well, damn, I see, look at his numbers and look at my quarterback numbers.

It's not that black and white. It's not that cut and dry. There's a lot of, there are a lot of other things that go into it, whether or not a player will be successful. And now I got to like, okay, like you said, okay, be patient. Well, that's where you do your homework. And if you take it a project, you have to be patient. You can't expect them to come out and be like C.J. Straub.

You can't expect him to be like Jane Daniels. You can't expect him to be like Caleb Williams, a guy that started at Oklahoma. what was it, Oklahoma, and then he follows a Lincoln ride in the USC. You can't expect that. That man got 30 plus stars on his bill. You got half that. Jane Daniel got like damn 50 starts. You don't have that.

So if you, it's like, oh, Joe, it's like a car, an old school car. You just can't slap it together. When people say they're doing a rebuild on the car, they're going to take their time and do it. It's going to take them years. But the problem is, is that I have other cars that can drive. So I'm not counting on this car. So I can take my time, Ocho, bro, this pro sports. They're not waiting.

Yeah. They're not waiting. Those days of, oh, if two or three years, man, look here, I might be dead. They're like, I might have done sold a team. I'm not waiting no two or three years. I need you to get it right now. And when you don't get it right, you're not going to have too many guys that you select in the top five and they don't pan out.

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where guys are based at. Ocho, I said his, huh? I said 32. I say somewhere between 28, 32. You was at 32? I said, I don't see him going north of DK, but hey, plus he's a little older, Ocho, and you don't want to be the team to set that precedent

because I was reading the day of the 24 guys that's got these new deals. Only one is 30 years of old age of older when signing them. And that's Tyreek. Tyreek is unique. because Tyreek might be the oldest, but he outrun everybody that's on his list. Every last one.

So with that being said, congratulations, Terry, well-deserved, five consecutive thousand-yard season. He was second in the NFL and touchdown catches last year, behind Chase, who won the Triple Crown, very, very well-deserved. I was glad the commanders came through, reward your players that's exemplary,

not only on the field, but off the field as well. I always like to see teams reward their players. They drafted, they're homegrown, you know that player, reward it. Go ahead, Ocho. I have a question. Can you explain to me why management, why the powers that be always know? It doesn't take that long due to the numbers. I don't know who does the books with the commanders.

It doesn't take that long. Why do we wait until the end of training camp, preseason passes by, and then all of a sudden you decide to pay your player two weeks before the season starts. I don't understand. Without being privy to both sides, maybe he offered concessions. Maybe they came up a little. Remember, it was being reported he wanted north of what D.K. got.

D.K. was at 33. So maybe he dropped down. Maybe, hey, he lowered his ceiling. Maybe they lifted the floor. We don't know without being privy to both sides of the information. But at the end of the day, Ocho, yeah, you would like for it to be a little smoother transition, or like for things to go a lot smoother.

But at the end of the day, isn't the job is to get the deal done? Yes, yes. And I think he was dealing with an injury anyway. So I don't know how soon he was going to be able to practice. Now this gives him an opportunity, give him a couple of weeks, work some of the dust. He's going to be tired.

He's going to be, hey, he's going to be, hey, he's going to be tired like a one-leg man in an ass kicking contest. Oh, yeah. Because I tell people all the time, Mocho, and you know this. You get his shape playing. football. You can want all the wind sprits you want. That ain't football because you don't got no helmet. You don't got no shoulder pads. You don't got people tugging on you and you ain't got cleats on your feet. Yeah. So in order for you to get in football shape,

you got to play football. That's what you got to do. That's what in track and field. You don't see them doing anything else. You don't see them playing basketball to get in shape. You get in track shape by running track. From track, yeah. Football shape by playing football, basketball shape by playing basketball. Oh, yeah. That's how you get in shape. And so, and I agree with you.

You were talking about this like, man, I just hate when these holdouts because then you run the risk of soft tissue because you have to push your body. And they want, they, hey, take these next couple of red. Like, no, bro, let me build up to it. Let me build a little callous. Let me build up to that, bro. Hey, don't push me too hard too fast. because groins, hamstring, quas, adductors, adductors.

But I'm glad Scary Terry got this deal done. Oh, yeah. You know, hey, he got what he wanted. He got $30 million signing bonus. He was trying to get that, DK, because I think DK got $60 million guaranteed. Yeah. So he was kind of looking for, hey, look, bro, you're straight.

You're straight. Yeah, hey, that 15. you're a third round pick. If you took care of your money, this right here just to sign them on us alone, you should be good. Before you even get to the big money that you're going to start making next year,

you should be straight. He seems like a guy that has his heads on straight. He'll do good with his money, but I'm glad Washington. I always like that, Ocho. I like when teams reward their players. I do.

Guys that you know, I mean, Cincinnati, they drafted you. They saw you. They know. your work happens, they know what you do. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I hate, I don't like. So let me get this straight.

I've been here for five years. You hard time me, but come free agency, you go get this joker here. You don't know what he like. Yeah. You don't know what his practice habits is. You don't know anything about the guy. But you go give him a boatload of money.

You see me every day busting my ass and then you hard time me about my paper. Well, yeah, that's crazy. I'm like, bro, damn. That's crazy. But it's nice to know y'all got some money. So when I go knocking on the door next year, I don't want to hear nothing. I don't want to hear no excuses.

I wouldn't hear nothing, Ocho. Yeah. But Jamar Chase is the highest paid at 40. 0.250. And then you got Jetta. But there's a big gap between who's going to be able to fill that gap? Who's going to be available, Ocho, to go in between that 35 and 40? Or who pole vaults over Chase?

Pooka Nekua? No. no um it's going to be a minute it's going to be a minute on you got neighbors you got brian thomas junior there it is it would probably be neighbors neighbors or uh brian thomas junior if anything it would probably be neighbors brian thomas junior might fall right up under that

right it right up under that but the next i say neighbors might get maybe 42 43 it out see chase had the perfect storm because he had this in a contract year. So he got the Triple Crown in a contract year. Yeah. So if you give him what he's asking for, maybe you get him for 35, 36, 37.

But now since you didn't, you got to pay a tax. You got to pay a penalty tax. But listen, they bet they bet against him. That's what they do. Yeah. I mean, it happens all the time. I wouldn't.

You know why I wouldn't bet against him? Wow. Because his best friend is the quarterback. Quarterback. Yeah? Mm-hmm. Hey, he's going to feed him. You're going to get it to him.

Yes. And he got it to him, too. Hey, hey, I'd send him a rich meal. I got him a pat-tech. I'd have got him something real nice. Yeah, for sure. Hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Nico Collins already got paid? I think he did. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So it'll be one of the young bulls. I don't know if they get to 40, but Malik, Malik neighbors is.

They might because of the time, Ocho. Think about, so he got signed this deal this offseason. By the time they come up, that's going to be 27. So that'll be, that'll be two years, three years. So, hey, price is going up. Yeah, yeah. It'll probably be Malik neighbors and Brian Thomas. And probably, guess what, Ocho, another thing is going to happen.

What? There'll probably be an 18th game. Ah, that's right. That 18th game going to be here, 28. I'm saying 28. Yeah, probably. Bigger piece of the pie too, so. Hey.

So, but I'm glad Terry gets it. He's right there with Garrett Wilson, A.J. Brown, Terry McClureen. They're all around 32 million. And then you got Almond Ross St. Brown, Brandon Ayup, Tyreek, T. Higgins at 11. Jalen Waddle is at 12. So the 2019 draft third round pick has been the team's leader in reception and

receiving yards each of its six seasons. He's put together a string of five straight 1,000 yard campaigns Ocho, becoming the first in NFL history to do so with a different quarterback every year per NFL research. So he's had a different starting

quarterback basically every single year. He's been there. He's putting together kind of like what D. Hop did with Houston. It didn't matter who D. Hop, but I could have been throwing the D. Hop and he was going to be an all pro. Yep. He had to, now when he got Deshaun, it really took him to another level.

But it didn't matter if it was Case Keenham, if it was Brian Hoyer, if it was Brock Oswiler. D. Hop ain't given a damn who the quarterback was. D. Hart was putting their work on everybody. Everybody. Everybody. So that's how D. Hop really made a name for himself because he could have used every excuse, man.

give me a quarterback like give me this or give me that Dee Hobs and Nah I got who I got But y'all know I am who I am Yeah All you had to do is put the ball

in the vicinity That's it I still don't believe This man Bill O'Brien Traded DeHop for a damn running back I don't know

It's wrong You're talking about a top At the time DeHobb had to be Top 2 top 3 receiver Yeah absolutely Absolutely Now if I'm not

You traded for a running back? Yeah I think he wanted to get paid to it, if I'm not mistaken, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's always the deal. That's always the problem. And the running back is already out of the league, and D. Hop's still going.

Mm-hmm. He goes to Arizona, has great seasons. Mm-hmm. He's not the same D-Hop that he once was. But hell, who is at year 12, unless you Jerry? Mm-hmm, yeah, right. Everybody's starting to slow down 12, year 12, 13, Ocho. if you're fortunate enough to play that long

at the receiving position. Only Jerry was still putting up crazy. Jared had 1,200 yards at 40. What 40-year-old you know that's going to be playing? I mean, think about it. Jetta got to be 26. You think Jetta going to put up 1,200 yards 14 years from now?

Hell no. People don't realize how long that, people don't realize how long Jerry actually played. Yeah, very. And the numbers, you've got to realize it was at 97. he tore his ACL the first game of the season came back that same season.

Yeah. He caught two touchdowns against us. The funny thing about it is his situation is probably a little different than everybody else is because he was a focal part of the offense when it came to passing the ball. He was still the viable number one option.

Yeah. So the targets and the opportunity always presented itself. Now most of the players just, you know, in this day and age, when you reach a certain age you hit 30, you know, they started funny with you. Oh, yeah, they find somebody else

they drafted somebody. Bingo, and they'll decrease your opportunities. They'll decrease your targets and they'll say, oh, well, you lost a step. I ain't lose nothing. Don't play with me. They did it to him too. They drafted JJ Stokes and the next year who they draft Ocho? T. Your boy.

Oh, yeah. So it happened to everybody. Don't think. Don't think because, oh, you, no, no, no, no, no, no. They look at their replacement. Mm-hmm. They look it. Yeah. And then T.O. put together that a monster season? Oh, and they put together the monster season.

Tio had that game against the Bears where he had 265 and 20 catches on Jerry Rice Day. Mm. The bear said, nah. And somebody else can catch for 300 yards. Get 30 passes. Wait, it won't be him. You ain't touching it. And guess what?

Tio went crazy. Mm-hmm. D.O went crazy. And as they say, the rest is history. Yeah. But it seems to me, Ocho, and we're going to talk about this a little bit with the Bengals, is that the team has all the leverage.

Guys are not willing to miss a million dollars. Guys are not willing to miss 800,000. Two million dollars. Guys are not willing to miss. to miss that kind of money, Ocho. Right. So although they might be in the right, I have a great foundation to stand on.

I need to be compensated because I've outperformed the contract. I know this, you know this. If I had underperformed the contract, you would have released me. So I've outperformed the contract, compensate me. But very few guys are willing to risk. Now, I wouldn't miss the whole season. Probably I would come back eight games,

because I want to get accredited because if you miss the whole season, you lose accreditation. You don't get credit for that season. So you got to get at least eight games, Ocho, in order to get credit for the season. But, Ocho, guys ain't really trying to miss no $9, $10, $12 million. No.

Mm-mm. So, and so that's the leverage that the teams have, and they know it. They know you're not going to miss that money. See, Jared knows. Jerry says, all that all. Jerry going to go to the bank and say, hey, check this out. I'm going to be a little slow this month.

So I'll probably catch y'all in October. Okay, Mr. Jones. Because they saw Jerry just got a check for $4.32 in March. Absolutely. So they'll put that down the road. I can't go to my kids school and say, you know, I'm a little behind this month. Can you know, no, no, no, Mr. Sharp, we're going to need that $3,000 child care. We're going to need that $15,000 for a school,

private tuition, they'll give those guys the benefit of the doubt. Yeah. Just like us, we're in a situation, though, Cho, that we get things from financial institutions that normal people couldn't go do. Right. I understand. I'm not he trying to tell, you know, I'm just saying there are certain things that they'll allow us to do, knowing who we are, knowing the financial situations that

we're in, they're going to be a little bit more relaxed. right but guys are just they just can't they just can't afford to leave that kind of money on the table and it's been going on for so long guys like they fight it as long as they can yeah but you got they do hold in but you know ohcho at the end of the day like I said I just can't see a situation where Michael Parsons is going to leave 1.3 million on the table hey I just can't hey I don't I don't know. Hey, because think about it, 1.3 million and Texas.

Yeah, I know, but still, I don't know. Because you're going to, if you fold here, if you fold here, then that's your leverage. Then you're not, you don't hit, you don't get another. Didn't Jerry tell you, we got him under contract for three more years?

He has no leverage. He's not going to play with him like that. What did you? Did you see Jerry slide to the front of his chair when he talked to Stephen A? Yeah. When somebody slide to the front of their chair, Oh, Joe.

Hey, they mean business. Okay, okay. Oh, hey, they mean business. Listen, in a conversation like that, when it comes to money and you slide forward or when you're playing video games, this is very important. I don't know you don't play video game,

but the chat can attest it is. When stuff is getting serious and it's in the fourth quarter and you slide up in your chair and get closer to the monitor, it's go time. It's go time. You mean nothing but video.

at that point. So I know Gary was serious. I knew it was serious. Any minute. He wanted to make sure Stephen A. understood the seriousness of what he was saying. Yeah. We got him under contract for three more years. So he's telling you, I got this fifth year option and I got two franchise tags. I'm not afraid to use them. That's nasty work too, though. That's nasty work. Matter of fact, they even mention that, they even say that. And no, it doesn't surprise me based on some of the comments he said previously when talking about, well, just if I pay him not, doesn't mean he's going to be available because he got hurt.

What? That's still, that's still, it just unbelievable. Have you been watching the documentary? No, I still, I still ain't still in. Okay. In 19, I think it was 96 when he did the deal outside of the NFL, because the NFL with Nike, he did a deal with Phil Knight and Nike.

And the league suiting for $250 million. Who won? Hold on. Come on. They sued it for $250 million. Uh-huh. Jerry turned around and countersued them for $700 million.

Talking about they had a monopoly. So they was at the owners meeting. They had their Norman call. Okay, now they asked Jerry to leave because they're about to talk about him. Right. So Jerry tells the story that he gets up. He gets up and he starts to walk out because he knows he can't be a part of the meeting.

He said, I know guys, you guys are suing me for $300 million and you're going to try to take my ball club. He said, I know that's what y'all going to do. He said, but I tell you what, I'm suing you for $700 million. And if I win, I'm going to collect every effing cent. Wait, he talked, he talked, wait, hold on. He got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he said, I know what y'all trying to do. He said, but if I win, I'm going to collect every, I don't care how long it takes, I'm going to collect every, I'm going to collect every effing set. Time out.

What, what is, what's the cowboy documentary on? Netflix. Man, I'm going to watch this tonight, boy. How many, how many, how many episodes? It's like eight episodes, eight episodes. Oh, I got to see that. Oh, yeah. Hold on, Paul Tagliboo went for that?

What you're going to do? Because at the end of the day, look, them owners, legal fees are coming out of their pockets. Right. That's why every time they're like, hey, the longer something goes on, litigation goes on, those billable hours. I know a little something about billable hours. When you start getting up there, Ocho, you start getting up there $1,500, $2,000 an hour. And everything is a charge.

You call it a, how's it going? That's a charge. Right. They go down there and file. That's a charge. They answer a motion. That's a charge. Jesus.

You in court. That's a charge. but that's a different ball game too um see jerry was saying hold on jerry said hold on i'm doing four times what anybody else is doing but i'm getting one 30th of it no more oh that's crazy no more oh that's crazy look the one thing that the NFL don't like it's sued that's why they kind of let this left al alone al said i'm al said i'm going to l-a no al you can't do that I'll sue you. As I'm going back to Oakland, Al, you can't do that.

I'll sue you. I'm excited now. How did this story end? How does the story end with the NFL and Jerry? Jerry is the only one that's not a part of the revenue sharing when it comes to merchandise, when it comes to that stuff. So he pockets everything. Everything.

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All pro safety, Kyle Hamilton and the Ravens have reached an agreement. A four-year extension worth $100.4 million. It's the largest deal for safety in NFL history and the deal, including. includes $82 million. Guaranteed. However, they got a bigger deal looming. Lamar Jackson, his salary cap number is $43.5 million and $25, 74.5 million and 26. With Lamar continued, he still represents himself here and his mom.

Are we headed for a long drone-out negotiation, or it is going to be simple and painless. It's going to be simple and plainness. Simply for fact, this is quarterback number one. This is the future of your organization, probably for the next 10 years. Obviously, we saw young bull down there in Buffalo get his deal. I forgot what the numbers were, but I know I think it was in North was a maybe 300, 330, 330, something like that.

300 with 250, 250 guaranteed. Yeah. Guarred. So obviously, Lamar is going to be somewhere probably going to leapfrog that in some way, shape, form of fashion. representation, being his mom, them having the right people in their corner, understanding how everything works, being that they've already worked one deal. So it's pretty easy where the numbers are going to be, and they're going to work it out.

And I'm not, maybe, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens maybe before the season or maybe in the middle of the season. But it's probably going to get done. It's simply when it comes to certain players, when it comes to certain players, especially this position, you don't play no games. You don't play game to that position. so the quarterbacks have nothing to worry about except just football.

Yeah, I like them going ahead and getting this deal with Kyle Hamilton out of the way. They tied up. The Ravens are normally very, very good about this. Their homegrown talent, they take care of those guys. They always have. I believe they always will. You go back and look at the Jonathan Ogden,

the Ray Lewis's, the Terrell Suggs, the Ed Reed, those guys, they take care of their guys. They've always done that. They took care of Lamar. They did make Lamar play, you know, or the franchise tag one year. I was surprised. Well, he didn't play in a franchise tag.

Nobody even put money down. So how many guys needed a quarterback and could have given up easily two first-round draft picks? I don't think, I think that's the going rate for a quarterback of Lamar. Two first-rounders, you'd have been gladly giving those guys up because, hell, you figure that when you give those guys up that you're going to be so far down in the draft, it's not going to harm you. You don't think when you get Lamar Jackson, you're going to be picking in the top

10 again. What that's being said, they took care of Kyle. Hamilton, now they can put their attention on Lamar Jackson. And I agree with you. At some point in time, this deal is going to get done. They're not going into the season next year with a $75 million cap hit for a quarterback. Could I potentially see them doing something done, getting something done? It all depends on him.

Because at the end of the day, Ocho, you said it best. He and his mom are their representation. They do have an NFLPA attorney. I think they help them read over language and probably pay an hourly rate or something like that. That's better than giving up 3 to 4%. I'll pay you hourly. I'll give you, you know, 15, whatever the case will be. Let's just say a round number.

Let's just say a $1,000 an hour for you to reel the contract to make sure everything's going to up and up. All the language is what it needs to be. But with that being said, he's not going in the next season with no $75 million cap here. That's for damn sure. I think it's going to be, it's going to happen sooner rather than later that he's going to get something done. And I can see, I agree with you, I can see them somewhere at some point in time. getting a deal done if he wants to get it done. He might say, well, if we don't get this thing done by the first game,

I've done talking contracts until after the season. Yeah, obviously, when you think about someone like Lamar, someone like Lamar that I know personally, he's strictly football. When it comes to the business side of things, obviously he has mom right there to handle those issues, but Lamar is one that just wants to play football. And we understand the nature of the business, and you don't want to get yourself in any type of,

There's structural situations that can take you from said game of football. But obviously his eye is on the prize. And the eyes on the prize had nothing to do with money because he's already been paid. So his focus is on doing what we need to do to dominate in the AFC North and contend and get ourselves to, for one, the playoffs and to get over the hump of getting out the playoffs and having a chance of the goddamn party. You're absolutely right. Look, the guy of the two-time MVP, you're not going to pay. Hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we got to give him what he got. I don't, I don't care what the number say.

He's a three-time MVP. Now, they took one of those EMPs from him based on one of the best statistical seasons from a quarterback in the history of the game. So it was, I love Josh Allen. But last year's MVP was a damn here. That's what that was. I'm just being, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just being realistic, huh? That's one of, damn, here. That's what that was.

And, but you're going to pay Lamar Jackson, a guy that's not even 30 years of age yet, you're going to pay him, you believe, the next five or seven years, he'll still put up the kind of numbers that he's been putting up the last three to four years. 30, 40 past touchdowns still can give you somewhere between five and 800 rush yards,

low turnover rate. Like you said, he just needs to get over that hunt. He just needs to get that one time to play like Lamar Jackson in the regular season. Because so many times, We've seen him. He went like a stretch where he had eight, nine games, though, so he ain't turned the ball over. He didn't bummer the ball.

He didn't throw a pick. He did none of that. And then he got, I think, in that playoff game, the division around against Baltimore, he ended up having two turnovers. Look, he still had him in position. Yes. If the tight end, if he catches that, Mark Andrews, if he catches that two-point play, now we're possibly in the overtime or, I mean, the defense is going to have to stand

to keep Josh out of the field goal range, and then we go to overtime. We'll never know. But we have yet to see Lamar Jackson play in a big time game come postseason like the Lamar Jackson that we thought should have won the MVP. See, because if that guy showed up, they go into the Super Bowl. And that's what we keep expecting, Ocho. That's what we keep wanting to see because we know he has it in him because we've seen it. It's not like we're asking, we're not asking Lamar Jackson to do anything he has not put on tape

in the regular season. that's the only thing because we've seen him put on take he throwed for 300 he'll rush for 50 70 80 yards we've seen him have three touchdown passes two touchdown rushing so we're not asking him to do anything

that we have not already seen with our own eyes it's just that in the playoffs more times than not he's turned the ball over and once he gets that out of his way you know it's sometimes it takes other long little

we've gotten spoiled Tom Brady went in his first year's starting he went Patrick Mahomes, his first year starting. He goes to the FC championship game the next year. His second year starting. He wins the Super Bowl.

He wins regular season MVP. And that same thing with Lamar. Think about it. Lamar, his first year starting, he won the MVP. So we know what he can capable of. We just need him to be that person come playoff time. And if he does that,

the Ravens are going to be hell. Because the Ravens got, they got a heck of a football team. They got a heck of a football team. I think John Harbaugh is an unbelievable coach. Defensively, they got guys that fly around to the football. They got Jahir Alexander. They got Wiggins outside.

They got Marlon Humphor in the slot. They got Hamilton. They took another safety in the first round. They're good. Roquan Smith, Matapel. Look, they're loaded. They're loaded. They got Bateman.

They got the other ones of Zay Flowers. The running back. Ricard is back. They got Derek Henry. They got Staley. back, Lamar, they are loaded. Now, Lively's going to be out a little while because I think you got dealing with a foot injury.

But they got Mount Andrews, who's been an all-pro, who's gone to multiple pro-boes. This team is loaded. This team is equipped, and they should. You should be thinking, hey, we got to take care of business and went out of division, but they should have loftier expectations based on the personnel that they have on the team

and based on the coaching staff that they have. But, yeah, Lamar, they're going to get something done. $3.5 million, that's not excessive as far as the cap, Ocho, but 75, yeah, that's excessive. Yeah, that's way that. During Terry McCarran's push for

a new contract, age was cited as a big factor in the reluctance. Terry turns 30 in mid-September. That ultimately didn't stop the team from agreeing on a three-year deal with the wideout. At the press conference today, McLaurin was asked about his response to the concerns that neither he nor the deal

will age well. The data is the data. But I think people they're outliers. There are people who may not necessarily fit into that set of data. Only time will tell. But I feel like where things are in my ability, in January, I ran like 60 yards screen for a touchdown. My speed hasn't diminished at all. My toughness is there. If anything, my sabbiness of playing receiver has grown. Hey, listen. Honestly, I'm just listening.

All the analytics and data and stuff that they have based on age and wearing tear and amount of miles on your legs, none of that really matters. No, it doesn't matter to us. It matters to the bill. Yeah, no, it don't matter us. It just matters to those who cut those check. Yeah, that's all. That's all.

And so they look at it from a business standpoint. Maybe I won't get another Terry McLaurin. I can get somebody that can give me half the production and I can put that money elsewhere. That's the way they think. But when it comes to a team that is on the verge of being able to go to those. Super Bowl that has a young quarterback that you haven't had to pay yet, you want to make a deal like this happen, which I don't understand why they were waiting. From a business standpoint, why are we waiting? Are you serious about winning? Them getting that deal done for Terry

Moulon lets me know that they're serious about winning and the quarterback not having the power or leverage to be able to go upstairs and say, listen, we need to get this done. We need to get this done because we have a small window of opportunity. We have a good, we have okay defense, but I understand we can do offensively if we have number 17 in this room for us to make. We need a that run for Lombardi. Hell, we got to the NFC championship with him. He was, I'm not sure

what percentage, but he was responsible for a high percentage of that offense, especially when they come to throwing the ball in the air. So what is there

to play about? I don't care what data. I don't care what analytics say. I know what happens. I know what he does when you put, when you turn that

goddamn film on and 17, he's going to show up every time. The question is, Ocho, what we don't know, we're not privy to these conversations,

did he lower the ceiling or did they raise the floor? Oh, that's a good one. That's what you, you and I are not privy to those conversations. So, and what, what I mean by that, chat, did he lower his price or did they raise their, did they raise their offer? And so that's what we don't know. All we know is that the deal got done. You and I both think maybe it took a little longer than probably what it should.

But in any negotiation, there needs to be a give and take because you, you don't want someone to begrudgingly give you something and then you guys become resentful. of each other, but by the same token, you don't want to like, man, feel like you got screwed over because now you're going to feel like you, you know, they took advantage of you. So I think at this, at the number that he ended up getting, I think everybody can live. I think everybody can live with that.

He doesn't have to go in and play on that fifth year option. Now he gets to come, now he gets to, well, I think he gets to come in and get a good number. like I said, Ocho, what, what, what can he do with 32 million that he only needed 34 million to be able to do it? Right, right. Yeah, listen, he comes in fair. It's a respectful, respectful offer. Obviously, it's not the highest. It's not as high as you want, obviously because you are 30, but they found a happy median.

A happy media for him, his family, wife, kids, they can be happy. The team is happy. Jayden Daniels gets his court. Jay Daniel Daniel Daniel gets a receiver on a nice piece, sound mind. So now all you can do, the business side of is over. Let's go play football. Let's play football and prepare for week one with no distractions. Yeah, we all go.

They're going to have to do something with Laramette Tunsell. They're going to have to do something with Louvo. Are they going to do anything with Marsha and Latimore? That's the question. Jane Daniels is coming up after next year. So, you know, they ask them other. pieces and they needed to get this out of the way so they don't have this, you know, going

into a next season with tonsill and Lovu and those other, and a few other guys on show. Let's go ahead piece by piece. Because in two years, you're going to have to go see five. I think he's number. Ain't Jane Daniels five yet? You're going to have to see it.

Yep. And it's going to cost you a chunk of change now. It's going to, hey. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh. Yeah, you're going to do something strange for a little you go, you'll have to do something strange to pay that piece of change. River, and you got to understand, you got three quarterbacks, right? That's going to come up, and it's going to break the bank for their team. So you want to take advantage of those situations now. Over there in Houston, boy, you better back the brink truck up.

Down there in Washington, you better be able to back the brink truck up. At some point, I think after the season, no, Caleb William got one more. Bo Nix, they've been to have to back the brink truck up. Well, he got another year, too. yeah yeah he he him and caleb him and jay daniel will be at the same time all who came out the same trail oh yeah yeah oh yeah come on talk to me now talk to me nice too let me know show me show me how much you love me uh it's gonna yeah i'll be look the thing is you try to win as much as you can um because when these quarterbacks these young quarterbacks when it's time to dance now it

it kind of inhibits what you're able to do. You can't just arbitrarily go, okay, I'll just go get that. Because when you have money's rookie contract, you can do that. You can go get a guy and think about just one year. Okay, I think about just the now, just the here. But once you pay that guy and you're talking about you paying a guy 50, 60, and you're looking at this case, you're probably talking about somewhere between 63 and 67, 68 million dollars.

Who knows, maybe even you touch 70. Yeah, without paying. Yeah. And so you're looking at a quarter. of a bill, a court of a bill, you know, a court of a billy, uh, uh, guaranteed. So that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's kind of where you're headed now. So with that being said, I think, you know, these guys, uh, these general managers and the teams are trying to link the like, lock these guys up. So we don't want to have

to do. I'm trying to do laramie tons. I'm trying to do lovo. I'm trying to do jane daniels. I'm trying to do. Let me go ahead and get, do I deal one thing I can fight one battle at a time. I don't want to spread myself too thin. Let me fight one battle at a time. Okay, I got to fight Jane Daniels. Let me go ahead and get this tank care of. Okay, I need to deal with Tunsel. I need to deal with lovo. I need to

whomever. Let me deal with one individual at a time. And I think they'll be better served with that. But it was good that McLaurin got his money. You know, look, whether we like it or not, Ocho, everybody is losing

analytics. Because guess what else? everybody using AI pretty soon they're going to come with AI the team's going to be using AI to determine yeah I mean listen the game the game of football is still football at the end of the day I don't care what technology what data what analytics that that teams try to go off of certain type of players win you championships you're going to need your dogs in there there there are certain things that analytics and data can't measure they can't measure skill They can't measure heart Sometimes you got to use your eyes

And goddamn common sense The Panthers trade Adam feeling To the Vikings That the veteran receiver returns home He is from Minnesota The teams agreed to pop To swap picks The Vikings gave up a fifth round pick

In 26 And a fourth round pick in 27 Carolina yields a conditional Seventh round pick in 26 And a fifth round in 27 Ocho did the Vikings get better Bringing them back Yeah. I think they got better. Just the veteran presence in general. Just veteran president of general having, obviously, Jordan Addison is going to be out. So you have Adam Thien that can come in right now and play. And if you think about it, I'm sure people probably don't see or probably don't know. But Adam Thielen and J.J. McCarthy, they worked out in all season together. They were getting some routes in. Even though that's not his quarterback, they were getting some routes in. So there's a little bit of chemistry and familiarity in that area in that sense. So really, Adam Thielen coming back, being able to be able to act.

make right back to that offense right back at home i think they're going to be fine it's a great addition for them and obviously them the panthers let them go let you know how good and how much they believe in that young jimmy horn made the act of roster jimmy horn june you made to act your roster but you you god damn right jimmy horn we're going to make it jimmy horn is one of the better rookies in the nfl especially when it comes to rock running and being able to create separation and get open so i understood that hell jimmy was so goddamn good they let brother honda win frogo brother Hunter Winfro go and Winfro is one if considered one of the better rock runners and also a creating separation and be able to get open but that's how good that's how good they are obviously

I'm very very high very very high and I spoke highly of that receiving core over there in Carolina and if they're if they're to have a year and want to compete not only that division but have a successful season is going to be upon that receiving core leading brother Bryce Young to the promised land so I'll of that. I'm happy for Adam Thieland. He's going to be just fine back in Minnesota. J.J. McCarthy, Justin Jefferson, Adam Thielen, and when Jordan Edison comes back,

that's a nice trio to have. And you see that Hawkinson, who's another year removed from that injury, Aaron Jones in the backfield. Yeah, I like the move. This is a Carolina's opportunity. I mean, I would have liked for him to stay there and help mentor some of those young receivers, Ocho, that they have in

Carolina. But Carolinas look like it's, I guys, it's time for them to grow up. It's time for them to grow up. We're counting on these young guys. You got McMillan, you got Liggett, you got Coker, you got Jimmy Horn Jr. Like you said, so they got

some young talent. Now it's just time for them. They don't have what you call a veteran presence in that locker room, at the receiver position. They have veterans on the team. But I like, I like to move. Would I have been disappointed if Carolina said no, but they said, you know what, for a fourth round pick in 27,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we go ahead. We let y'all have this. And I understand Minnesota because, like you said, Jordan Addison is going to be gone for three games. So now we got somebody to come in that has a veteran presence that understands the gravity and the magnitude of these games.

They're in a very tough division, Ocho. That Green Bay is in that division, Detroit's in that division. We believe Chicago will be better than in that division. So Detroit's like, nah, we don't want to have any excuses. We don't have any slippage. We want to get off, hit the ground running.

And I think Adam Thielen gives them a great opportunity to do that. So I like the trade for both. But if Carolina said, nah, to keep Adam feeling and to help him groom some of these young guys, I wouldn't have been upset at that either. Yeah. But you have to understand why they let him go. I think people in the chat need to understand when it comes the veteran players that are on teams and you have a young receiving corps that is impressed not only in the preseason

But in training camp, that's the only time you let a veteran presence of a player like Adam Thieland Go, because you trust what you've already seen. You trust what those young bulls are put on film. So now we know, you know what, we're going to be okay. We're going to be okay. And we're going to let them board take the torch. And that's your thing, look, a part of us all want to go back home. You know, Dorothy, Dorothy wanted to go back to Kansas.

A part of us want to go back to where it started from. And, you know, if you think about it, normally, time when a lot of people escape, what are the first place they go? They catch them at home. They go, they go back to the old familiar surroundings. And so I think for Adam, Adam, you know, he's like, man, I'm from Minnesota. I spent the first 10 years of my career in Minnesota.

You know what? And my family, he's probably, Minnesota is probably going to be home for him. Man, I mean, he's probably thinking, didn't know if it would ever come through fruition. He's probably thinking, man, I should have a lot again. at home. I showed like the, you know, if any player last year or two in Minnesota, and here it is,

he's going home. And Minnesota pull off a swap. They give up a fifth round pick in 26 and a fourth round in 27. Carolina gets a, say, seventh round pick in 26 and a fifth round in 27. So I think everybody's happy on Joe, but like you said, those

young receivers in Carolina, they impressed enough that Carolina was willing to move off a veteran presence a guy that's steady, dependable, you know exactly what you're going to get. He's hardworking. He's the guy that can mentor the young guys, but they say, you know what? These young guys are ready.

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