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Episode Date: October 4, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL Week 4 stories on Nightcap! Unc and Ocho are joined by Dolphin TE Darrem Waller and Seahawks LB Ernest Jones IV. The guys discuss if Eagles WR A.J. Brown is being selfish for complaining about not getting enough targets even though Philadelphia remains undefeated. Don’t miss the best NFL Week 4 highlights, reactions, and analysis from Nightcap! 0:00 - Darren Waller joins the show25:44 - Ernest Jones IV joins the show46:37 - A.J. Brown speaks on Eagles offense (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We've got a very special guest, George. We've got former Pro Bowler, former Raven, former New York Giant, former Raider, joining us. Darren Waller. Darren, how you doing, bro? What's going on, man? How y'all doing? Appreciate y'all having me.

Man, I'm doing amazing. Let me ask, bro, you play it. I mean, look, you have a little setback and we're getting to that a little bit. You get drafted by the Ravens. You have, you know, have some issues. You end up going to the Ravers where you revive your career, playing unbelievable. You go to the Giants and having success there. And then abruptly, you know, you stepped away from the game.

What went into that decision that you're playing basically at the height of your career and you says, you know what, I need to step away? I feel like mentally and emotionally, I felt like I kept running into. similar walls I was running into earlier in my career. I wasn't necessarily sabotaging myself in the same way, but I just felt like I kept running to the wall. Like, this isn't really fulfilling to me. I feel like there's a lot more room for me to be having joy here,

and I'm not having joy. So I feel like I needed to step away to really just reevaluate my life while I was doing the things I was doing, was I doing them for me or was I doing them for other people to give me a thumbs up, shit like that. So I feel like taking that time away, really present an organic moment for me to, come back and join the Dolphins.

You know what, when I think about it, too, when you think about that organic moment for you and being able to get away and having a sense of peace for most, usually football allows us to get that peace away from the world, away from reality. Are you in a space now? Are you in a head space now

where you think you've fulfilled whatever it is you need is to step away from the game from and now you can devote your attention to just football? Yeah, I just feel a lot lighter, a lot pure, just in my life, you know, I feel like there was a lot of things I was involved in or trying to do just to, I don't know, escape the game in a way,

but now I feel like the perspective I got from these last couple years, it allows me to step in and just see it the way I saw it, like when I was a kid, you know what I'm saying, just being excited to play, like having fun, like with a team just cutting up, like, it's just, I just see it with a whole new pair of glasses now. Yeah, that's dope.

When you stepped away from the game, did you think it would be as easy as it was to get back in? because normally, you know, getting in is easy. Getting back in is really, really hard. Yeah, I feel like dudes ain't just really just like stepping away and then being like, oh, I want to come back. Usually they step away.

It's like there really ain't no coming back. So me coming back into it, I mean, I feel like I've always respected the game. So I'm like, dudes, it's still just as fast, stronger, maybe even more so. So I'm like, shit. I practiced maybe three full practices, a couple limited ones earlier, right when camp first ended. So I was like, I don't even. really know what I'm going to be like when I step back into this but I'm going to get hit too. I ain't got hit in two years and then to have it go how I went on Monday was just like you couldn't

even script that for real. I think but when you think about it too when you were in the game you were still one of the better players in league as your position. I mean just removing yourself for two years two years from that and coming back with just two years you're still going to be one of the better players at your position as you saw when you guys played. So I'm excited for you. you, skies is obviously the limits. Tyreek Hill is now gone. And so that puts you to even more of a bigger role because knowing Mike McDaniels and the creativity

he has offensively, you can create mismatches with you all damn day, all damn day. Yeah, for sure. Straight up. How long did it take you for your spidey senses to come back? Because you know, like when you and Troy, like when you take like four months off, it takes you a while to really understand like, okay, this is where danger spotty of danger over here the guys coming up from behind i need to get up in my shadow being

away for two years i can only imagine in your spotty senses are shut off for two years how soon did it take them to start tingling again where you felt okay this is man's own i got danger on my right i need to get up in my shadow i need to spend left i need to spend right how long did that take for the comeback bro i still feel like it's coming back because like during the week of practice last week, like, we had, like, put a play in where I was kind of running, like, a choice, but, like, it kind of turns into, like, a wheel route, and I was out there, like, on a red line, thinking I'm on a red line. I catch it, like, my feet are just barely in bounds.

So I'm like, I got to get my field spacing back. But luckily, like, that first play, first third down of the game, it was just, like, two man, and I'm just like, all right, like, I know what this looked like. I beat this a million times and just like that muscle memory came back. But, no, you definitely right. Like, I feel like the spacing, reading his own, seeing how things, coverages react from the disguise, like post-snap. I feel like, oh, that shit's got to come back with reps.

Yeah, I mean, and speaking of reps, was the game too fast for you? Did it feel like you were moving in slow motion a little bit, being that you've been away from the game? And listen, you didn't get a chance of playing the pre-season, I'm not sure. But game speed, totally different. It doesn't matter how much you practice. Once you get in the game, playing against somebody else,

you'd be like, what the hell? Have you caught up to that yet? Are your legs up underneath you yet? I feel like it was a good start Monday, you know what I'm saying? Like I was getting, you know, reps against guys like sauce and, you know, there's good, there's good athletic guys on that defense that's moving fast. So I feel like it's a good start. And, you know, I'll probably see matchup guys with guys like J.C. on Sunday with the Panthers.

They got some guys that can cover. So, I mean, I feel like it's only going to get better for me. I feel like the little things tops of the routes, just to feel like how I'm feeling in stems and just, you know, playing fast and not really thinking is going to probably take some time. But I feel like I'm probably further along. I think I was just off Monday night because I know what to expect. I think the thing is that you, like you said, I mean, you really haven't. It wasn't like you were out running routes because you didn't know if you were going to come back. And so now basically they're putting you out there and you got to, hey, do I rip, do I swim?

What do I do? Do I press? I mean, do I get on the outside? I know I'm, I don't want to square him up because I don't want him to give my whole chest. I just want to give him a shoulder to hit. How soon did the route running aspect of it come back? Like I said, well, it's still coming back, bro. Like, I got, so I had got injured when a few weeks into my training of when I said, all right, I'm going to play again. And that had me out for real until last week.

So, like, I had a few practices before I got hopped in that game. So it's really all just coming back to me as we go along. So, like, these Wednesday, these Thursday practices, it's like super intentional. you get better and feel more. Yeah, super intentional for me to try like, all right, how can I curate like everything that dudes was doing throughout camp? You know, I'm kind of like trying to hustle up

and kind of get back into that flow, but also just understand like, you know, I am where I am. I'm supposed to be here right now. I ain't got to be where anybody else is at in their journey. My journey is probably as weird and unique as it gets, you know what I'm saying?

With the Tyreek, were you on the field when Tyree got injured or do you see it on the jump No, I was right there. So we had ran like, I don't know if they call it a crash concept in here today, but it's like the dude in the slot runs like the 12 yard out and you got the under from number one. The smash route. Yeah, it's the smash. Yeah, I ran the little under from number one and I seen the ball go over my head.

So I turned. I'm like, and Reid caught it. And then I just saw like, and then I just seen his leg dangling and it was just like, just like it just brought me to the ground. Like I ain't even know my body who just didn't even know how to react. Yeah, because they said he's something. Yeah, because they said he suffered a dislocated knee, torn ACL, and maybe some other ligaments, damage.

It's tough seeing that. So obviously, you know, and Mike McDaniel is telling the story of how he, you know, he's joking with some of the guys, like, guys, you just make sure you get this win, knowing because, look, you've been around this game enough. You know when it's a serious injury. Nobody has, the doctor doesn't have to tell you anything. You don't have to hear a route a report. You've been around this game enough.

You see that? you know yeah he's not coming back yeah straight away i turn around and i was like come come come come they got to put him in the aircast immediately yeah but so you was with gruden i think you were gruden because he's like hey this this guy he saw you what has been the biggest difference between gruden and and mike macdaniel because they're both this basically uh the verbiage might be a little different but this is the west coast system yeah no the similarities between the two just coming from like the founding fathers like Mike shanahan and Gruden like it's kind of easy for me to pick up the concept like there's different words different nuances but um they're both really like

they're one-of-one individuals like there's i don't think i've ever met anybody with personalities like either one of them they got their own unique sense of humor um but i mean they love ball for real and they love putting the guys in position to you know do something with their career do something with their lives you know so they uh it's really fun and energy to be around. I thought both of them got just a distinct energy. I don't know. It's hard for you to say,

but the word out of there have been reports that he was too lenient and guys were coming late to practice and guys were coming late to meetings and guys were overweight. What have you seen in your short time there that lead you to believe that you know what? He's the guy that can get

this fixed. He's the guy that can turn this around and get the dolphins going in the right direction. I've seen a sense of urgency just since July from cleaning up, you know, like, the, the fines that guys had from last year and just like all the little things that's just like, how the fuck are we doing this and thinking that we're going to win? Like, I feel like he's put in his energy and use his words to be like, hey, like, this is this has got to change. And, you know, of course it starts with me, but at the same time, it's like, it's really up to the guys in the locker room to police this. And I feel like

the captains have really, really gone out their way for sure to make sure things are different from that regard, you know, and results on the field sometimes it's like, okay, it may take a while to get things going. Like that's how the league goes. It's just super competitive. But from the standpoint of little things like you just described, I haven't seen any of that this year. And so it's like, all right, like, once you have that out the way, like we can actually go somewhere. Locker room controls the football team. They police, they run. You got to show me the team to have the strong locker room and I show you a team that consistently win. You show me a team that the locker room and the guys don't hold the other guys accountable and I'll show you a team.

All right, just let me, you let me go. You put me in any locker room for a week. And I don't know anything. So I'm going to go in the blind. I'm just going to happen to be in the locker room. I'm just going to be observing. I'll tell you who's winning and who's losing. Matter of fact, A, D, since you came back, right,

two years removed, obviously you get an opportunity to come back, play for the Dolphins. Obviously, you have your team goals. From an individual standpoint, two years moved for the game of football, what would be a successful season to you now that you return? I think a successful year for me is, you know, really just kind of keeping the same mindset I had before. It's like I don't necessarily know if it'll be 100 catches.

I don't know if it'll be the metrics that they once were five, six years ago, but just the same process of like however many opportunities it is, like those opportunities you're going to get maximized is how I kind of try to measure success try to get away from like the stats and everything like that and really just kind of like being a leader kind of being one of those guys like that Shannon was just discussing like I'm the oldest guy on the team I think which which is wild like I was turned 33 September 13th oh that ain't bad that's young right so just kind of like embodying that presence too and just kind of like some of the shit that I've been through coming in going back like going from where I was

in my career I can relate to where any of these dudes is at that. in a career from practice squad to getting cut to getting traded to on the rise like just kind of stepping up in my leadership ability that would say as well now that you're back in football because when you stepped away from the game you stepped into music obviously that's a passion of yours but now that you're back in football have you put music on the back burner if that's something that you're going to pick back up once your football careers are yeah it's kind of on the back burner for now for sure. Like I've, I think I've written a one verse or two since July

and like a hook or two for a song, but like I haven't really been doing anything. It's been focused on football for real. Like I got a lot of songs. Like I'll like tease some shit, like put some music behind, some post that I'll put out, but all those songs are recorded before I even got back out here. So it'll be nice to take a break because I was going hard with it and creating in my time off. And so I feel like it's a good flow for me to be back in ball. And when it's time to pick the mic back up again,

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if any point you pick that mic back up, let me know. You know, I've written for Drake. I've written for Nicky Minaj. I've written for Lou Wayne. You got real credits? Oh, yeah, I got real credit. If you ever, I wrote for Beyonce. If you look at their credits of some of the songs that I've done, I'm in the credits. What songs? Huh? Your connection fucked up? I got I'm a sure to you I'm going to send it to you but yeah

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You don't even smoke. You don't even smoke. Oh, Cho. You see, all I'm saying is that the Daniel Marshall, those who 24-carried, you know, I got like, I got a box of those. Yeah. Can you send my smoke cigars?

Hey, A, D. Yeah, on Pembroke Pines. From McPeynes Boulevard, there's another cigar bar called Officianados. Them the two I go to is real nice. I ain't smoked those 24-carat gold, but... Yeah, you're the gold. Leave you a little gold.

Something you know, Daniel Marshall, the next time you go to the cigar bar, that they're going to be in the case. You just can't go pull them because, you know, they're like 85 to 120 a stick, but you know. Nah, uh, AD, don't listen to him. Them stick costs 289 a park. Oh, we all bet.

Listen. Yeah, he's 289. Why are you mad because I got a box of them? Damn. I see you a couple. Hey, they did them, them sticks were probably sent to him by accident. They were probably for me. You don't smoke cigars, huh?

Whoa, whoa, whoa. We'll get, we'll get in 2020, you founded the Darren Waller Foundation with the mission to equip youth to avoid and overcome addiction of drugs and alcohol, support the youth and their family during the recovery and treatment a journey. I don't know how well our audience know, but you were originally drafted by the Ravens. I mean, a guy that's your size, six, five and a half, 255 pounds, can run like you can run.

You're a match-up problem. No lineback is doing anything with you. Safety, they're just too small. People are putting their best corner. You beat Salford touchdown. You were getting, when you were at your prime, when you were with the Raiders, I thought you were going to get my record that day, too. I think you had like 15 catching for 200 yards. I'm like, damn, he going to get him.

it. To overcome what you overcame, when you're at your darkest, did you understand that, man, I'm throwing this great opportunity away. Did you, did you understand when you're in it? Do you understand or do you realize that you actually have an addiction? Who told you you have an addiction? When did you realize you have an addiction? Yeah, that's a great question. I feel like in the moment, I don't think you can, I think you're too numb. At least I was. Like, for me, like the drinking and and shit like that was to numb a lot of things I was feeling, thinking, experiencing. So in those moments where, you know,

a normal person would feel like, oh, fuck, like I'm throwing this shit away. Like, I don't have access to that feeling. Like, it's all kind of shut off. You know what I'm saying? And I had guys like, Ben Watson was with the Ravens when I was there. Like, right before I got suspended,

he was like, if you could just like lock in, bro, like you don't know where this shit could go. Like a whole bunch of people just telling me that. And I'm just like, I can't really receive it because I also don't really had that much confidence in myself. So I realized I was addicted when, because I OD'd in 2017, it was like a month before what would have been my third season.

And I was probably going to be a starting tight end in Baltimore that year. That was 2017. And, yeah, I OD'd. And then went to rehab a month later. And I'm just sitting there listening to everything they're saying. I'm like, damn, like, I definitely, that's 100% me. And it's all throughout my family, you know what I'm saying? Like throughout like the generations of my family

It's kind of like impacted a lot of people. So it's passed on to me and then being able to have the opportunity to be like, all right, I could change the course of generations going forward from my family. And also just, you know, be somebody that people can look to because like me, shit, I don't fuck that plenty times. But they could still be successful or whatever they got going. How old were you when you started drinking or you started dabbling with drugs? Were you young or whether you got to college?

You started drinking, you know, college atmosphere. Was it at high school? I was pretty young. I was like 15. I got into like pain killers, like the hydrocodone, 5 milligrams, 10 milligrams first. I started smoking weed and drinking.

After that, probably like junior year. And was just kind of off from there. It got real crazy through college and through my first couple of years in the league. And then so it was about like a 10 year run from like 15 to I got sober like a month for my 25th birthday. What would you want you?

What message would you like to? share with the youth about what they can potentially overcome given you're the best person you're the best teacher because you've overcome something you know a lot of what these kids are dealing with you know a lot of the signs you know a lot of the symptoms you know a lot of man i'm all right no you're not because in that seat that you're sitting in i saw it in that seat for about a decade now i'm in this seat and i want to share with you the message of how you can beat this addiction uh the message for me is just like there are so many different ways that we try to mask what we really feel in or who we really are. We compare ourselves to so many different people. There has to be some level of return

to like authenticity, find like a comfortability, like a peacefulness and a joy in just being like exactly who you are. Because I feel like me, this young kid, I was like, it all stemmed from the pain I felt from feeling like I was always like the odd man out or people thought I was too weird or I had big ears, big feet, I was getting roasted or like, like, you. It all started from all these little things. I was like, man, I don't feel like I'm good enough. I want to turn to things that make me feel like I'm good enough or at least forget the fact that I'm not good enough.

And when really it's like there are people around you that are going through the same things. We just all try to act like we don't have stuff going on in our lives. So it's really just being yourself. You're going to attract people to you that love you for who you are and that will support you, whatever you go through. So I would just say, you know, there is really no peace, no sobriety possible if you don't find ways to really deal with the pain and the trauma that happened earlier in your life or whenever in your life and just, yeah, finding peace with just being who you are, whether people like it or not.

I like that. Happiness. Happiness is, you know, people say I found happiness, but happiness is something that you create. Peace is something that you create. How long did it take you to get to that point that you says, I'm at peace with Darren? I'm happy with Darren. It's been elusive. man, to be honest, like, I think my journey with, like, sobriety just kind of seeing life differently started, like, 2017. And I feel like there were a couple years in there where I was like, okay, like, I'm moving in the right direction. And then there was some years in there where I'm like, I don't know. I feel like I'm kind of moving away. Like, I'm still sober, but there's still like, still something that's not to block a little bit from, you know, say 21 to 23. And then it's like

since retiring, it's opened up nothing but a path for me to just go as deep as possible with, those kind of things and really just look at myself in the mirror and now I feel like it's like a lot more attainable I feel like the happiness is fleeting but it's like I'm a lot more content with my life

like I don't need I can step into football and just be like what I'm gonna just I want to have this experience is what I want to do I don't need it to do something for me to validate me to do X, Y, and Z it's just like I'm sure

this is the way I'm choosing to live my life and I'm gonna enjoy this shit man the funny thing about it too I'm really glad, I mean, I'm really glad you're able to be authentic and raw in answering these questions. The questions are phenomenal too because there are people that are probably in the chat.

There are people that are going to see this and people that are dealing with the same issues you are and not knowing how to navigate those situations or how to deal with it and you being a testimony and being someone that has had issues, but gotten to help and look where you out now. I mean, dude, that's an amazing story. And kudos to you for having, for one, the discipline to do it and stick to it and be able to live out your childhood dream again. Because most times people don't get a second chance.

Great enough. Appreciate that, man. Darren, we're going to get you out of here on this one. Now that you're back, have you put a time table or a time limit on how long you want to play or you take it a year by year? Or you're like, you know what, I really like to get two or three more in. or you saying, you know what, all I know is that I'm going to play 20, 25. And I worry about 2026 and 2026 and beyond once that time arrived.

But right now, I'm into here. I'm into now. And that's all I can continue. I think you really just said it right there, man, because it's like after experiences like Monday, because I came in, like I said, I got, I got hurt. My first goal was to train. I'm like, damn, bro, we on this shit again? Like, this is still happening.

And so I'm like, there's doubt, there's fear. Like, did I even make the right decision coming back? but then having like a night like Monday it's like well wait like this feels like there's still like plenty left here maybe there is something more down the future but it's like I feel like like you just said plan this season giving this season my all and then really evaluate and from there and so I'm open to everything I don't want to say I'm done this is just one chapter because you know I don't really know every time I thought I've had my life figured out in which direction it should go I feel like God has flipped the script and been like, no, if we're going this way now.

Because I was set on not playing football ever again, but it's like, here I am. So I'm trying to just remain open. Well, Darren, thanks for joining us tonight, man. Congratulations on all the success, everything that you've overcome, lets us know that there is a God and that anything is possible. Stay healthy. And after the season, come back and talk to us. Yes, sir, man.

Appreciate you always. I appreciate you coming on, man. Darren Waller, tied in for the Miami Dolphins to go through what he's gone through, Ocho, to be able to overcome because, you know, hey, like you said, he was about to start in Baltimore and ended up getting suspended a couple of times, and they, like, they moved on, and now he ends up with the Raiders, and he's a Pro Bowl player. I mean, he's at the top. He's one of those top players, and then, you know, all of a sudden abruptly, you know,

he steps away from the game. And for two years, he's like, he's like, you know what? I want to come back. And kudos to the Dolphins for giving the opportunity. I don't know if there were other teams out there willing to give him an opportunity, but I know the Dolphins was one because he's playing with the dolphins. And so it's always great when you, you know, you're here, you're down here, and then you back up here again.

And so like you said, he doesn't know if he'll ever be what he once was in his prime. But for him to come back and to show that there's a possibility because, Ocho, you and I talk about it all the time. It's easier to get into the league Then get out and try to get your butt back in it Back in, yeah. But listen, if you're really good and you leave a good impression before you leave,

the chance of you coming back, they're pretty good. He's a mismatched nightmare. You think about this. Remember when Jimmy Graham's with the Saints? Yep. You see what he looked like? Yep.

Gronk, I'm not saying he's Gronk. I'm not saying he's Jimmy Graham, but I'm just saying that he's a mismatched nightmare. Yes. He can go out there out wide and go against receivers. I mean, he's really good. And you got a small sample side to that

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Here you're starting middle linebacker for the Seattle Seahawks, Ernest Jones. That's his. Yes, sir. How are y'all doing? How are you doing, bro? How are y'all doing? Man, we're doing good.

I'm here on the road, chilling. Hey, I can take you something real quick. Talk to me. Hey, do you feel blessed that you ain't got to deal with me in today's game? Honestly, I wish you was out there. We wouldn't have to worry about you too much. You don't think so? But you know I would have ran you over?

You know, we got a Devin Witherspoon out there, right? A Devin Witherspoon. The only Witherspoon I know is the kind I eat with. That's it. And running me over wouldn't have never happen, man. but I'm 236-4. I seen what Ray did to you. You know, Ray.

Ernest, man, thanks for joining us. Bro, you fit right in in Seattle. I mean, you're having a great, you're having to. Let's go back. The Rams. Bro, you play it out of your mind. You, 130, 140 tackles. What happened with the Rams?

I mean, we're still trying to figure it out. Honestly, we don't know. We really don't know. All I know is we ended training camp practice in Houston. I get off the plane ahead to my car, and I get the call. Like, hey, we're going to trade you. And I didn't really see it coming. I thought it was a joke at first, but they were real serious.

Hold on. Were you asking for a contract? Like, what, what, something had to precipitate this. We never even got there. I never got to talk numbers with them. Just, just, just nothing, nothing. It came out of nowhere for us on our end. But honestly, I'm fortunate and glad it happened, though,

because Lennon and, I mean, Seattle really changed everything for me. Now you get to be, you get, you get to be yourself. You go to a team that Seattle, they pride themselves on defense. Every since the Legion of Boone with all those guys with Earl and Sherm and Chancellor and all those guys, April and Bennett, from there, a wag, B-wags, from that time on, this has been a defensive-led football team. And you land and a defensive-led football team, you mentioned a Witherspoon, you mentioned Wolling, you mentioned the guys that you guys now. How has that transition seen been so seamless because it seems like you were drafted to Seattle like you were born to play in Seattle? I agree with you there. That's how I feel.

I think the biggest thing that different from there than a lot of the places that I've been, it's 53 other guys in that room in that locker room, man. They're dogs, man. They play football the right way. It's for the love of the game. And getting in there in October, once I was there, they welcomed me in so seamlessly.

And it just was a perfect fit. Now, I don't know if you know this. They traded you to the, they traded you to Seattle, right? You know what that means? You know when the Rams, when a team trades you within the division, you know they don't have a whole lot of respect for you artists. You know that right. Well, they traded me to Tennessee first.

Oh, well, you got, well, see, what, you're buying it. Because, see, they try to keep you out of the division. But now you got to see me twice. So, so now, okay, let's, so you look up there, you say, you know what? We got, we got y'all such a, such a week. We got y'all such and such a week. I don't know what's going to happen. But I promise you, y'all won't feel 13.

Oh, yeah. 100%. I'll be there. Whatever time the game start, I'll be there early. What has it been like playing out there at that stadium? I remember being out there that 12, man. Boy, you can't hear nothing, boy. Boy, nothing.

But what is that feeling like, man, being out there with those. I mean, like you said, you can't hear nothing. I remember coming up here when I was with the Rams. And, you know, the stadium, of course, I'm on defense. and their offense is going, so I really don't hear the noise. But, man, my first game here, when we played Buffalo, I was like, this is real. Yeah. The 12, they show up everywhere, anywhere, anywhere, rain, sleet, snow, or hell, they're going to show up.

It's just, it's good to have a, you know, have a fan base that comes to support us, and we got to show out for him. Seahawks, they're allowing the second fewest points, the third best red zone defense, fourth most takeaways, six most sacks, six best best runs. defense. How have you guys, the first at the quarter pole, how have you guys been able to play so well so quickly on defense? I guess for us, I think the cliche answer would be like, you know, we trust in the guys, you know, next to us, we put into work. But I'm being honest with you, man. Mike McDonald, he's the man. He puts us in great positions to get out the quarterbacks, get out the opposing offenses. Throughout the week, he gets us ready. And, man, on Sunday, he calls a great game. So a lot of it has some.

to do with, you know, our ability and that's going out there executing, but our coach got us, got us dialed in right now. Would you, do you look, but think about it, you was on that team that won the Super Bowl, Vaughn Miller, you got AD, you got Floyd, you had RAM, you look, I mean, have you ever thought of, have you,

I mean, did you go home and like, damn, but we got a, this defense for real. And man, shoot, every, every day that whole year, I was just thinking about it. Man, for the Super Bowl, I'm sitting up there reminiscing on like, OK, big moment. This is what you've been kind of working for. And I think I ended it with like, shoot,

just don't fuck it up for Aaron Donald. Yeah, just don't mess it up for them. So I went out there and just went out there and played involved. But man, that learning from the best there is to play AD, Bond Miller out there getting sacks me, even Wetterwetto came in and showed me what it's like to be a true teammate, true leader. So big credits and shout out to those guys.

What was it like watching Aaron Donald? Because I remember watching them coming out and I saw him at the Super Bowl before the draft and they're like, I was like, damn, who is that? I said, man, that's Erudanonnell. I see that Lord Rasco? He didn't want to be caught? Because when you look at him, he's not a, I mean,

he has wide shoulders, but you look at him. He's like six foot tall. Like, man, him? Boy, when I watched his first game when he was a rookie, well, I watched him at the, when he was not at Pitt. Yeah. I was like, ain't no way that, him doing all that, raising all that hell.

Right, hell. Take it on double teams, splitting double team, getting skinny, man, doing everything. Everything you can take that. When you first saw him, what did you think, when you first saw him, what did you think, Ernest? When I first saw him, I'm going to be honest, I didn't know too much, too much about him. Like, of course, he was, Aaron Donald, had been in the league a couple years, but I wasn't really all the way hip to him like I should have been. And I can remember the first day I was out there giving calls and he didn't get the call and he told me to speak up

and the way he said it just caught me out guards. I'm like, I can't let this grown man talk to me like that. But to sit back and watch him, I found myself a lot of times watching him, watching him create habit, destroy stuff. And there's been times, man, he stopped practicing. They told him to get out. So I've seen some things. Yeah, because you can't get anything done.

If he gets, if he's given an 100% effort, you see what he does on Sunday. Now, everybody don't got a Zach Martin or Quentin Nelson to be able to deal with it. Or, what's the guy in Seattle? I mean, not Seattle, but the 49ers. What's the left tackle name, Mocho? Trent, big Trent. Everybody don't got that. So if he said, you know what, I'm just going to wreck shop today.

Y'all ain't going to get nothing done. you're not going to get anything done and he's he decides when he wants to do that that's crazy your squad started the season with the 20th best odds to make the Super Bowl every every publication had you guys picked dead last now all of a sudden hey it looked like you or you and you it might come down to you and you it's turning huh it's turning that that was the plan though that's the plan we know what it is I firmly to believe when the NFC West, when all four of those teams are smoking and on fire,

man, that's one of the hardest divisions to come out of. So we know what's on, we know what's on the line. We know who we got to get through to get there. And we, we. Last game of the season, this for the division, Rams takes on the Seahawk. This is for the division. Yeah.

What can we, what can we expect from Ernest Jones? Oh man, a performance. I'm ready to ball out a performance. Some sweet, slow and sex. And you know it's funny, defense, y'all, the numbers speak for itself already a quarter way through the season. But that goddamn Sam Donald and JSN, they might be the next big thing. Man, that duel right there is growing to see what they came from from OTAs when offensively, they were learning new, couldn't really figure it out to see them guys where they're at now. And it's just a start.

like those are samsa ball are cool composed and js n's a quiet killer out there were you surprised the ad stepped away when he did because you're talking about a guy that played 10 years he won three mvps he won uh uh i mean he was phenomenal he's an eight time nine time first team all pro i mean and he's just like you know what i don't want to do it no more i don't have the passion to train which what it requires me to be the AD that y'all see every Sunday, that takes the off-season, and I'm done with that. I truly, I wasn't surprised because we kind of knew coming into that year that it was going to be it, but I'd say you just said it.

For him to, you know, I guess be honest with himself and know that, you know, I don't have what it takes to be Aaron Donald. I don't want to come out here and do the training camp and hunt and just, you know, be taking like you just said. It was kind of honorable for him to put it up the way he did, went out on his sword, went out at the top of his game, and you know, you got to talk about him for years now is one of the best. Yeah.

And the funny thing, too, and E, when you think about it, you think about Aaron Donald and all his accomplished, you look at his accolades, you look at his resume coming to the NFL. You won a championship? What the hell else does he have to prove? He had nothing else to prove. I mean, a lot of people don't have anything to prove, but they're hard to walk away from 30 million a year.

Did he walk away from it? I think they were still paying him a boy a little bit. I mean, because I mean, like I said, it wasn't like you saw slippage in his game. He could still split the double team. He's one-on-one. Hey, and he lined up, he turning every door. Oh, this, oh, this is locked.

Oh, man, they left this one open. He's going to stay right there. He's moving up and down the line. And he's telling everybody, I mean, your office line coach for the opposing team, number 99, you circle him. he's going to get a chance to whip all y'all ass, so let me worry about him.

Let's go on to the next guy. That's what's going to happen. He's going to whip everybody ass, and you have to, guys like him and L.T. and Reggie White and Bruce Smith, you had to account for them. They would wreck your entire offense if you did not have one miss.

He'll hit your quarterback in the back of the head and he'll put it on the ground. That's how he was, man. Just a monster, man. Just wrecking shot every day. It's some stories that he probably wouldn't want to told online. But that man is a monster. That, yeah, that he was whipping all the offensive line with the ass.

They couldn't nobody block him. And he said, look here, if y'all give me a little fee, I take it easy on y'all today. Because they had one-on-one. You had one-on-one in training camp. You had one-on-one sometimes doing the course of the year. Yeah. Ain't nobody blocking him at some point.

Yeah, I mean, what you're going to do? He's getting that shade. And he getting that, he getting that three tech, well, hell, he can get into five. He could go up and down the line. He can get into a nine, he can get into a seven, he can get into a five, a three, a tilt. That doesn't matter, what you're going to do. And he uses his hands. I've never seen a lineman.

Look, use his hands like he could. He's almost like a wide receiver. I mean, if you look at the way he's moving his hand, oh, show how we're swimming, how we knocking people's hands away, that's how he was as a defensive lineman. And then he catch you, he pushed the arm up and did he get skinny. I got to get, I'm in there. Hold on, hold on. They got a bad boy over there in Seattle right now, too, now.

Who that? 99. Yes, sir. Oh, yeah, Williams. Yeah, they got a bad. I'm not saying he, Aaron Donald, but he's a bad boy. Bad man. Listen, I've got the luxury to play behind some great defensive tackles,

knows, man, he's up there. He's one of the ones, man. And that whole front, that whole front. for whoever they roll out jan re we got byr murphy those guys man they keep me protected and i just fly around and make plays and you just you just get the flow you just like hey that's all i need keep it clean what when you come out i want to know the goals so when you come when you start the season when you get ready he's like okay i'll be getting ready to go to training camp give me some give me some of the goals that you set for yourself oh man my

I'm sorry. I think for me, some of the goals that I said when it comes to coming out of training camp, are you saying on a personal level or just far as you think? Yeah, on the personal level. Obviously, you want to win. Obviously, like, if I do what I'm supposed to do, we're going to win because I'm going going to get me about 150. Right.

No, for sure. I say for me coming into this season, specifically, this is the healthiest I've been. I dealt with a neat issue for the past two years and it's still able to play at a pretty good level. But for me, this year was coming in healthy. And then it was from that, let's take the next step in my game. Let's, let's start affecting these passes that come across his middle and coverage a little bit more. Let's be more fluid out in space, make those tackles. And let's just see what happens, man. Of course, I want to go, I want to go all pro. I want to be a pro bowler. But I'm all about winning, getting there and doing what's best

for my team. You want you, you want another piece of jewelry, huh? I need this one over here getting lonely, man. I need another one. do let me ask your question do you wear it like when you go on road trips you suited and booty that have you pulled it out do you wear it or you just like nah i got to get you i got to get you i got to get you a partner i got to get you don't wear it today i pulled it out today for the first time today was the first time in a while um but i don't wear it i'm waiting to get a twin you got a twin you got to get a twin for it because he's lonely up there you know he's like damn i ain't got nobody to talk to i ain't got nobody to

to holly out or nothing, but what's going on? I need it. I need it. We keep going the way we're going and just keep getting better. I think we got a great shot at it. You got anything else? No, no, I'm done. I'm done. My last thing for O2. Hey, that Madden overall, we got to tighten up. Tell me what you need, right?

Hey, listen, I take care of receivers and the DBs. I don't really operate with the linebackers and stuff. What you need speed? You need script? For me, it's overall. I think, I think we're lacking a couple things. The tackling, I think we do need to be better. Missed four tackles last year.

Ain't too many people on the missing four tackles. We got to get that up a little bit. So what's your overall right now? I think I'm like an 81. Damn. 81. Yeah, yeah, that real low. That real low.

I don't agree with that. Listen, I got a meeting with the EA team in the morning. I'm going to address that. I'm going to bring it up. I'm going to bring it up. Like, I'm really not in a position to bring it up if it's not a skill position, like receive a DB, but I can sit on the table for you because it's on film.

I appreciate that. That's all I, that's all I play for is the film. I got you. I got you. Who y'all got this week on? That's going to be a good one. Yeah.

They got A. They, hey, the Bucky Irving and White, they can run the ball, Baker, throwing it. Hey, that's going to be a good match. It's going to be a good one. They come out to Lumen, so we'll see them Sunday. See, I played in Lumen before y'all became, before y'all wasn't good. It wasn't a crowd noise.

Matter of fact, Ocho, you know how to be like this here? I was like, I was on the opposing team, like, get up, damn. It's going to pop this week. It's going to pop this week. Oh, for sure. So when you got to Seattle, did you go to the market? I haven't been yet. Damn, Martin, what the hell you're waiting on?

And you got to go kiss the fish. I got in October. The only thing I was trying to do is figure out of a playbook. I was trying to figure that out. But we're going to get there. Me and my wife are going to get down there at some point. So you like seafood? You like fish?

I'll go for fish. I'm allergic to shrimp, but other seafood, I'm sorry. I'm allergic to shell fish also. It's just shrimp for me, which is crazy. No, shrimp, lobster. crab, oysters, scallop. It's a style of Georgia. Now, I can eat, I can eat, uh,

calamari. But that's the difference, that's a crustacean and the mullets. So there's two different, well, I tell you about later, Ocho. But anyway. Hey, you don't, what's your diet like? You're not one of them healthy eaters and eat all that, that good stuff. Ocho, I'm, I'm gonna be mad here.

I'm like you, I'm gonna get it in. I'm gonna get it. I will say I haven't been to McDonald's in a minute, But I'm going to get full. I'm going to just eat. That's what I'm talking about. And see, and people want to understand they want to question, why is he so good?

Why is he great? Why is he one of the best NFL? You know why? Because he eats the way he's supposed to eat. I'm on the South Georgia. Hey, clean that diet up. I guarantee you all pro. Hey, you clean the diet up.

You're going to get that diet up. First team all pro. Probo. Nope. I got you. Get you about. about get you about five force fumbles, three picks. Now you know, with 135 tackles,

four force fumbles, two former recoverers and three picks. Now they're talking about DPOY. That's what they're talking about. I don't know if you won't that or not, but you clean that diet on. I'm gonna get it done. I'm gonna get it. That's what I'm talking about.

Hey, listen. Don't be listening to Ocho. Hey, I'll tell you one thing. Whatever you put in your system and got nothing to do with making none of that, he just named. I got you, Ben. All right.

man, thank you, man. Appreciate you joining us tonight. Best of luck, stay out. Yes, sir. I appreciate y'all. Hey, and when that season turns out the way you want it, come back and talk to this game. I got you.

Thank you all for having you. Appreciate you, bro. Ernest Jones, the 4th, starting the middle line back up in Seattle Seahawks, man. He's an unbelievable player. I mean, I was shocked. I was absolutely shocked that they, when they traded the mocho. Because I didn't say, because I'm like, man, no, no, he could really play. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

No, yeah, he could, he could really, really play. So I'm absolutely shocked that they moved it. Yeah, the funny thing too about it, when you move a player that's that good and makes that kind of impact at that position, that means there's somebody else that they see behind him that they believe in. And I'm not sure who that is right now.

Well, no one man's trash is somebody else's treasure. Because they got, The Seahawks got an unbelievable. Hell, I'm surprised, hell, he didn't stay in Tennessee. Yeah. Tennessee, look, no, the guy can play. Y'all, hey, Chant, y'all know, I call it like it is.

He can play. Well, listen, he's right. He's for real. He in the right place. Oh, Joe, A.J. Brown spoke to the media about why he's frustrated with the Eagles offense being stagnated at time. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Yeah.

But I think it's fair, too. you know, two want the ball, two get to get us going, you know, like last week against the Rams, you know, I caught the slug-o, got the offense going next play, open up and got it. The safety came up to my side and opening it up. So, you know, I don't think it's a bad thing for wanting the ball. It's not just for targets or anything to put numbers up, but no, I see that we're struggling and I'm a guy that wants the ball in those times when we can't find a way. Give it to me. Like when the game's on the line, give the ball to me. I want that. I want that pressure. I put it on myself, you know, and I work hard for it.

And so, and that's what, you know, the misconstruction or whatever you misconstrued, you know, whatever perspective you can about me, but, you know, it is what it is. You know, and I don't care, to be honest, because my teammates know, my teammates know that when the game's on the line, look at me, you know, and I want to, everybody in the stadium will know that, you know, that's not a secret. You know, I'm not shying away from that. And so that's when you see that frustration, that hunger comes out. That's because I see what struggling and I believe that you give the ball to me.

I'm going to open up things and I'm going to get this thing going. You can put it on my back. I like that. You like to eat accountability for his thing? Yeah. I don't do. The only thing the only thing I would say is that keep it in housing because the perception of how it's going to be perceived. Right.

It's completely different. You know optics and perception is everything in our business. And the one thing he did say, you heard what he said towards the end is even if you guys misconstrue what I'm saying or what the meaning is that I'm trying to get across, I don't care. And you have to have that mentality as well. He has that, he has that mama mentality in a sense. He has a killer mentality at the receiver position.

He's out there by his cell phone. He's on the island by itself. so he's relying on 10 other people. No, he plays a dependent position. Exactly. You had the mercy of the quarterback. Hey, every time. So when we're struggling or the type of team we are,

the way our offense is, we run the ball to open up the paths. Well, you know what? I'm a player that's here where we can throw the ball to open up the run, and I want to be that guy. I put the pressure on this on myself. Get me the ball in these situations. You know, the hard thing is, Ocho, is that when you win a certain way, the team believe that's the only way they can win. So, so what did they do?

Well, we won it last year. Well, you have to evolve because Sequin is not, the holes are not there for Sequin this year, like they were last year. So clearly the defense is saying, we are not going to let 26 beat us. At all. If you guys want to beat us, he's going to have to throw the ball. Yeah. And AJ said, well, damn, can we throw the ball when they don't know we're going to throw the ball? Hell of we just throwing the ball on third down.

You make it really hard. But, you know, I'll be open on first down too. I'll be open on second down. Yeah. And then hold on. Hold on opportunity. Right. And one more thing.

One more thing. Another thing that they need to do, let's be a little bit more creative. Let's be a little bit more creative when it comes. type of routes and to give an A.J. Brown to run. I can name them, too, based on the split every time. The under? They, they, under and the slant. Listen, if he's two yards outside the number, he's running a goddamn slant. If you're on top of numbers, he's running the goddamn curl. If he's, uh, it's a split and dense, he run the quick stick route. Yep. It's the same, it's the same concept every time. Like, what the hell are we doing?

that's it oh joe travis kelsey spoke about a j brown's tweet saying you're four and oh boss come man it's frustrating for a jay right now clearly he's going to uh he's going to social media to show it when i show my frustration when we aren't rolling as an offense but it's uh but it's also really hard for me to get mad when we're winning i don't find that energy when we're winning putting up points and winning football game that's all i said that was my entire point. It's hard. People, also, you can't say, well, I'm hungry. I give you food. Man, this ain't no waggoo. This ain't no grottom potatoes. Man, this ain't no lobster back and cheese. So, and I, and that was my point. That was all I was trying to say. It's hard to get people on your side. Yeah. When you're

winning. Right. Millie wants to win. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so. So when you're winning, it's hard to get people like, yeah, AJ, you're right. They were like, AJ, we're winning. Yes, I want you to catch passes, but not as much as I want to win the game. And so that's all I would say. And I get what people saying people like with Travis Kelsey, yeah, he gets a look at, hey, when they're not winning, yep, he's going to act up. Oh, yeah. When that office is stagnant, and that's what AJ is saying.

Yeah. So it's just hard. AJ, go talk to Jalen. go talk to Siriani and go talk to your damn head your office coordinator. Yeah. That's what I'm talking to.

I ain't going to put no tweet out. I ain't going to say I ain't going to put nothing on no Twitter, Ocho. I'm going to talk to them because I got a direct line. I know, hey, I know where your office is and I know I got her phone number. You don't think he don't did that? You don't think he didn't do that?

Because we had the same problems last year. You don't think he's done that? I think the first step is he probably went and had those conversations already and nothing that's changed. Nothing changed. Now we're in the next year and the same shit still going on. But again, I give you a prime example. Monday night. What did you see Chase do?

Chase walked right up to Zach Taylor didn't he? He went right up to him. He were frustrated. He were frustrated. And I'm curious. I'm curious to see. And it don't get no easy this week, huh? It don't get this week. They play Detroit. Oh, Lord.

They play Detroit. And you know, Detroit put points on the board, don't you? Well, who are you telling? They scored 50 week before last, and they scored 40 in the last game. We don't have no choice. Zach Taylor spoke to the media today and said, there's no need for us to bring another quarterback in, a veteran, because we believe in Jake Browning.

I say, well, shoot, if we believe in Jake Browning, I ain't got no choice but to get on that bus too. Let me, guess where I'm at right now? Where? In Cincinnati. Guess who I'm going to talk to in the morning? Who? The team.

What you're going to talk about? I'd be damn if I get embarrassed Sunday. I'd be damn. I'm going to the game Sunday. Obviously, I'm going to the game Sunday. Don't worry about you. You can leave the halftime. It'll be over.

Hey, listen. Hey, uh, well, when you, when they get. Hey, chat, we're going to start on time. Hey, um, when they get to, when they get to. this pep talk for me. When they get this pep talk for me before that game, it's a rap. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Oh, okay. I can't wait to hear this pep talk. Hey, matter of fact, you know what? I'm so happy. And just just speaking back about like, I know you ain't sending me none of my gifts, but I got a nice gift for you. I got a nice gift. What haven't I sent you? Hold on. I got a

nice gift for you to show you my appreciation and thanks for giving me an opportunity. I got your awesome gift. You know what, Ocho? I'm going to sing you your gift. I'm going to sing you your gift. You even ask me what the gift was. No, I don't need to know. The whole point is, okay, Ocho, what's the gift?

I got tickets for me and you to send front row, front row, and we can go. We got backstage passes so we can take. pictures and stuff at the NBA Young Boy concert October 13. Where's that? In Miami. Alright, listen, listen. Wait, before you say anything, I know how you like to fly. I already got the private jet charter to pick you up, bring you to Miami.

I got a driver for you to bring you to the concert. I got you two security guards. Oh, so I don't know one song NBA Young Boy saying, man. I don't either. What you need to do is go listen to the security guards. Go listen to the song Rebels Kick It. You can start there. And then I send you other stuff up to date that can catch you up to what you're going to hear at the car.

Can you get me, can you get me a Chris Brown ticket? I know Chris Brown. I know. What about Drake? See, you don't, hey, we, hey, you, you, you are Y in right now. You a Y in. Nah. Hey, we go.

I'm an O-N. I'm an O-N. Hey, what's O-N stand for her? A-N-N-N. Hey, listen. Hey, listen, I got you the lime green bandana to tie around your neck. I got you a leather vest. Oh, Lord. That mercy. And wear some black Air Force warns. Hey, we're going to be in there cutting up. You hear me? Man, you got to give me. I mean, if I would go to a car, I had been to a concert, man. I know. Adele was the last concert and she was, uh, when she was

at, uh, had the residency. Yeah. Oh, Joe, you got to go. I don't know. You got to. You got to You got to give me something easy, man. Damn. Oh, this is easy. He's going to, hey, listen, let me, he's going to bring us on stage,

right? No, I don't need to be out there. Hey, we, hey, hey, I'm on, I'm on,

oh, Cho, I'm on probation for the rest of 25. I know, but this ain't got nothing to do with that, though.

I'm saying, I just, I just can't, I can't be at something like that, you know what I'm saying. It's going to send, it's going to send the wrong message. My probation officer is going to get me.

What message? This message, this message about living life this message i know turning up this message about having fun it's about freedom the rest of 20 the rest of 25 now 26 i'm you know i i will get back out there but it need to be you know you know oh cho come on work with me oh cho work with me i'm working with you that's why i be going to the n be a young boy concert this is what you need and you need to be uh You know you could come up out of your shirt. Then you go ahead, the lime green bandana.

Oh, no. Man, look here. Yeah, yeah. I'm with you, man. I was going to go. Hey, I got to sit there with an hour. Hey, I got to sit there without a show. It's too late.

I already got the charter. I already got the tickets. Oh, Joe. I already got tickets. I need to go somewhere. Let me go to a John Legend. Let me go to Anthony Hamilton. Let me get.

Maybe I could do like a Drake or Chris Brown. I can't do no young boy. I'm going to tell you like this. Either you go to the, young boy concert with me, I'm going to beat you up. Now, you got two choices. You get your ass, whoop. I think that's what I'm going to take.

I'm about to take that one. Ocho, man, you, oh, Joe, man, you know right now. I got it, you know. Hey, I'm telling you, when you, hey, listen, when you get in that atmosphere at that concert, I'm telling you, you're going to feel like, damn, I ain't felt like this in a long time. You just, you just, you get loose, man.

You just, ha, ha. And then, hold on, we're going to be in the, listen, we're going to be in the crowd and we're going to be standing on our chairs and stuff. No, going crazy. I'm going to have to say, I'm going to say that. Hey, I got y'all. I'm back at 26.

I'm back in 26. Follow 26. Oh, I didn't already told NBA young boy we coming, man. Hey, Ocho, you know my motto. Follow 26. I'm a dark-skinned slave. I'm outside. You know what I'm saying,

I'm outside, you know. That's where I'm at. Give it 26. 26. Hey, come on, die. Work with me. Chad, tell him to work with me, man. Damn.

I'm working with you. I just spent $12,000 on these tickets right in the front. Now, don't do that. I got your charter. I got your charter jet. I got you two security so nobody, can't anybody bother you?

It's just not a good look for me right now. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? It's a good look. Yeah. As a matter of fact, Ocho, and a matter of fact, the first big function I want people to see me out, I want to be coming out of the church. Maybe I go to the part of the house and dollars. Maybe I come out of a TDJ church. Maybe they need to see, Chad, y'all need to see me come out to church. You know what? No, no, no. No. One thing about it, we ain't going that route. We ain't going that route. We ain't going that route. We're not going that route. Acting like, you know, we're Reverend. We're Reverend, we're Reverend Al Sharpton and all that shit. Yeah, that's what I got to be. That's what they got to do. Yeah. we got to turn up we got to stay we got to stay true to ourselves but no no no i can't be that no vote you i got to change stay with me real quick stay with me real quick i'm changing i'm i'm new stay with me real quick it's okay to be new but don't forget where you came from we come from times like that and at sometimes you got to revisit where you come from i got to go

back to church oh cho i lost my way I lost my weight. I got to go back to church. Jack, I know y'all understand. I know y'all listen to, y'all won't, you know, do something for two something. But that, but that, um, I had to put him up. I had to put him on the shelf. Hey, listen.

Hey, that unc you try to put on the shelf is what made us who we are. I know, Ocho, but we can't lose that. I got to reinvent myself. If we lose that dynamic, then that doesn't make us who we are. We can't lose that. aspect of what makes us us so you can't go to kirk franklin route that ain't nobody want to hear that hey as a matter of fact oh choo hey don't be surprised when y'all see me the airport i'm carrying my bible i'm just saying i'm just saying that that's where i'm at oh jo i'm just saying i'm

that's where i'm at i'm carrying my bible ocho i'm changed listen i'm all for change In fact, I told Jordan to come pick me up, Jordan be going to church. I told Jordan, swing by and scoop your uncle. Hey, I'm telling you that that ain't it, huh? That ain't it. Listen, I'm with you when you're right, but there's certain things you have to still remain yourself. You can't, hey, listen, you're back, you're backslide. You backslide.

God forgave your end. God forgave your, whatever's for you is for you. You didn't got to do all that extra stuff. I just need to care about it. Just for a little while, Luch. But I'll tell you what, you get the Bible, you got the Old Testament, New Testament. I got the Bible, King James Version. Okay.

They got the Old Lennon, New Testament. I tell you what, bring your King James. Both Bibles have both Testaments. Got you, listen. I have never seen a Bible with just one Testament. I got you. Bring your King Jane Virgin. Bring your King Jane Version Bible, October 13 to the Carsonry and be a young boy.

I tell you, I'll tell you that. Listen, I'm going to give you a scripture. One did I go off of. Philippians. Blypians 2, verse 27. For thou hath not try to live perfect. Now shall backslided at some point in life. But you must stay authentic to thyself because no man is perfect.

So I see you October 13th. You see I got my thing. I'm coming most gracious and holy heavenly father. I come to be in the most humble way I know how. bow head humble heart on bent knee realizing that you God or God Lord of Lord's kings of kings I'm done on you boy out

your boy out I already got that Stacey Adams I'm down on one knee I already told him I said Lord when my time is up here hey boy A boy you hell and my face becomes a little looking glass. Just give me a place somewhere in your kingdom.

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