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There is a waiting game, however, that could stretch for several months. Similar to last offseason, Rogers is not rushing his decision. And file a report there is no timeline on Rogers' decision. Both sides are open to a potential return. Aaron Rogers tend to take as much time on such matters, so I don't expect this swift resolution. But head coach Mike McCarthy likes Rogers, of course, from his time in Green Bay. He's a bridge option for them.

they look at hard at quarterbacks in the 2026 draft. So they certainly could draft one. Ocho? Mm-hmm. What's going on? What's really going on? Well, you know God Dan Willie coming back, huh? You know Dan Wellington coming back because there is no answer at the position.

Even if not the same, even not the same Aaron Rogers. No, McCarthy is familiar with him. They played them. He had him at Green Bay. What answer do you have at that position to say, you know, we can move on for Aaron Rogers and he doesn't have to come back? I mean, where you rely on a 42, what, 43-year-old quarterback? I think you'd be 42.

You don't have a choice. Yeah, you don't have a choice. You don't have a choice. Just to even compete in this NFL, obviously, we've seen it all season. You need a quarterback. And sometimes age really doesn't matter depending on who it is. Matt Stafford at 37. Then you have Drake May.

How the hell do the goddamn Patriots go from 4 and 13 to 14 and 3 the following year? It's because of the quarterback play. Obviously, coaching plays a goddamn fact. actor, but you still need a quarterback. I mean, it just is what it is. Sam Darno. Look what he did in Minnesota. He goes to the goddamn Seattle. Obviously, there's some other pieces that matter. Obviously, organizationally, they won a Super Bowl.

Who gives the Steelers their best chance to compete? I'm not saying win, but just compete. It would be 42, 430-O. Aaron Rogers. And it's just the way the NFL is. It's just the way it's built. It's the way it's structured. You need a quarterback. unless you have one, you don't have a chance, even if he's 42 years old.

And that's what they say. They're looking for a bridge. They could certainly go draft one in 20, 26. I don't know. It would strike me as odd to go into free agent market and get a quarterback when you have Aaron Rogers,

the potential of Aaron Rogers, because the guy that comes to free agent, he's looking to start. He ain't looking to be no bridge. He ain't looking to have, okay, Aaron Roger is going to start this year and then we'll put you in next year. That's not why a guy comes in free agency

to your building. He's coming to be a start. He's coming with the attention. Excuse me. The intention, not attention, the intentions are starting. Yes. So they're probably going to have to go into the market. They're going to probably have to go into the draft and draft the quarterback

because I don't see a scenario where you go get one in free agency and ask him to sit for a year. I don't think that. Me personally, I don't think he'll be comfortable with that. Yeah. And the funny thing about it, too, the way they treat young. quarterbacks right now to we've seen we've heard Tom Brady talk about it we heard some other players that play quarterback talk about how they're so much impatient and they're not allowing quarterback to develop they're not allowing quarterback to develop there's so much pressure on them they're going to bad

teams and owners are impatient when they don't have instant success and that that's it's unfortunate and I think they're going to continue to have those problems especially if Aaron Rogers doesn't come back it's going to put them right back in in quarterback purgatory well what happens is that you have Jayden Daniels in his first year he goes to the NFC championship games. You have Drake May in the second year get all the way to the Super Bowl. You see Bo Nix in the second year have his team in the AFC championship game.

You see Caleb Williams has his team. So they just people automatically assume well if he did it, why can't I got to do it? No. But you know that's how people think, Ocho? Yeah, but also look at the, look at the quarterbacks you name. Jaden Daniels ain't no slouch. He's good. He was able to do it in college.

Caleb Williams wasn't no slouch. He's really good. able to do it in college. So if you look at the quarterback coming out this year in the draft, I mean, do you see one in the draft this year or one in collegiate football that comes in and changes the direction of your organization? I mean, let's be honest. I don't, but, Ocho, it's the same thing. People see your success and ask, why can't I have that level of success?

Because they don't see what you're doing behind the scenes. So you don't know what type of program, what type of organization, and what type of ability that they provided for him. All you're looking at it from the outside, so you're on the outside looking in like, damn, it looked like fun in there. But you don't know what it did to have that kind of fun. But all I see is the first year and second year

quarterbacks getting to the Super Bowl, getting to AFC championship games, NFC championship game, getting to the divisional round of the playoffs. But you want me to sit here and says, okay, we got three years. Huh? NFL is very impatient. They're very, very, very, very.

impatient. You know why, Ocho? Yeah. Because the salaries are getting astronomical. And I've got to make a decision. See, I've got to make a decision within three years. Am I going to get this guy $300 million? Right. So you talk about, oh, hey, let them develop. Mm-mm. This is a Polaroid. I'm going to shake his ass. I'm going to do this thing develop real quick. Hey, you know, back in the day,

you know, back on Joe, you didn't have an Instagram, you had to send the thing off. You take it to the drug show. They sit it off. Well, it'll be back. No, no, hell no. I need right now. Let me see. Come on. Yeah. And matter of fact, small example. Small example on organizations that have to make it happen right now. If they want instant success, you got to build around your quarterback. Tennessee. Tennessee with Cam Ward. They're going to have to continue to build and put pieces around their quarterback. Los Vegas Raiders, they got a hell of a job ahead of them.

Yeah. They got a hell of a job ahead of them based on the way they looked last year, knowing that they're going to draft Fernando Mendoza with the number one pick. You got to get some pieces. I agree. You got to get something. And the best way to do that is, for one, you got to let brother Crosby go. You got to let Brother Crosby go because to be able to get what you need, not only offensively, but defensively, you're going to need the value that he brings in a trade. You're going to need it because you're fooling yourself and you think just bringing him in Mendoza in, all of a sudden things are going to change. That's not the way it works. But if you go look at what they had or what they put around, go look at Caleb Williams,

look at what they put around it. They got DJ Moore. They draft the Coast of Lublin. but they, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, , uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, , the running back. They short up the offensive line. Okay, Drake May. Yes. They go get, uh, a booty was already there, but they go get a Stefan Diggs.

Look at the running back. They had remandre steves, but they go get Henderson. You see what they, you see what they did around him. And I think that's, that's the way that you have to, that's the way. You see what they did with a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, you get a Nico. Um, um, you get a Nico college. , um, you get a Nico college. You get a run.

back. You get, you bring, you got to bring pieces in. Now, they're still, you know, I think,

the Texans are going to go back into the offensive line. I saw Tank Dale working out, and he's like, okay, he probably still has, he probably still has a ways to go, but they're probably going to go

get another receiver. I can, I can, sure they're going to get a running back because I don't know if Joe Mixing is going to come back, oh, Joe, listening to them talk,

and I could be wrong, and maybe, maybe I'm reading too, much into this situation. But the way they were talking, this didn't seem good. This is not like something that, oh, we expect him to be back this year. Right, right. But you're like you said, you've got to put great pieces around the quarterback.

Because there are very few quarterbacks that can really elevate a team in his first or second year. There's been a few. They're a handful of them, but hold on, even those quarterbacks that can elevate a team still look at what they had around them. Look at about, look at what they had around them. You know, they just happened to be that good. and then you also had pieces around you.

Like it takes a special quarterback to go to a very bad team and elevate everybody else. That means he has to do almost everything else right when nobody else is. Everybody's not as good to me, but I'm so good, I can make up for all our weaknesses. You know how difficult that is at that position?

But even when you go back and look at it, even though Kansas City had Tyreek and they had Kelsey, they still brought in Samuel Watkins. They still brought in Valdeusca. You see they still kept adding pieces. They had McKinnon. And they had, hey, we're not satisfied.

And it's like, man, we got our ass kicked against Tampa. What do they do? Rebuilt the whole offensive line. Yeah. Got to. And they're going to redo it. They're going to reshuffle it again. And they're going to go out and get some players.

Hey, they got to get better defensively, too, Ocho. They took a step back defensively. Yeah, they're not the same. They're not the same. But I'm not surprised. The thing is that when you get, I mean, I take my hat off to these older guys because I know as I got older, I just got tired of hearing the same verbiage, the same.

And I can just imagine what it is for a quarterback. Right. I don't want to hear it no more, man. Is there any way I can just show up on Friday, practice Friday, leave Saturday, play on Sunday? I need a scenario like that. Bucky Brooks at NFL.com ranked the biggest Super Bowl windows heading in the next season.

Seahawks were one, Rams were two, Patriots was three, Eagles were fur, four, excuse me, Broncos five, bear six, Jack seven. Ocho, what do you agree with? What do you disagree with? Unfortunately, your Pingu's were not on there. Hold on, bring that to me one more time. Seahawks had the biggest window heading in the next season,

followed by the Rams, followed by the Patriots, followed by the Eagles. followed by the Broncos, followed by the Bears, followed by the Jags. Hold, you said the biggest window. Yes. Now, the biggest window on what?

What? Repeating and going back? Super window heading in the next season. Oh, you know what? I like that list. And I like that list. I'm not even going to base it on the quarterbacks. I'm going to go with that list

based on the defenses that they have. Based on the defense that they have. But all of them do have quarterbacks. I mean, yeah, that also plays a part. But because of the defense. defense is, I think I like that list. Obviously, Josh Allen's not listed. Lamar's not listed. Obviously, my bangles aren't listed.

And what are our weaknesses? What are our weaknesses? What are our weaknesses? What are the weaknesses of the bills? The defense was. What are one of the weaknesses? They're over the cap right now. They can, now they can fight, they can restructure, probably restructure, Josh, restructure James Cook. Yeah.

Bosa only signed a one-year deal. We'll see what they do with Epinessa. Rousseau, some of those guys. We'll see what they do with. that obviously Lamar is the biggest, is the biggest question mark. Okay, what are we going to do with him? Steve Bichot has made it abundantly clear.

He would love to have him back. But if that's not the direction that Lamar wants to go in, we'll play it out and we'll go from there. So Lamar's about $70 million against the cap. They got to get better defensively too, Ocho. They got to get some receivers. Because I don't know what happened to Bateman this year. I don't.

I don't, Ocho. I don't know what happened. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Listen, Lamar getting his deal done. this offseason. They got to get him under the cap. He can get a new deal.

As far as defense, they need it bad. They need an edge rusher. They need someone. They need the impact player on the edge. I'm not sure who they can go get. There's so many, so many different variables and measures you can take to improve in that area and everything starts on defense. They have to get that moniker that they always stood by or always talk about,

play like a raven. They look nothing like that. They look nothing like that. and on the back end. On the back end, I'm not sure Marlon Humphrey, if he's coming back, Nate Wiggins, this off season, you got, you got to come together.

You got to come together. You have to be that centerpiece in that secondary, along with Kyle Hamilton, to lead, to lead that goddamn secondary. And they need one piece on, just one on the edge.

I don't know who it could be. You just need one. They'll be very, they'll be very active. Steve is not very happy with, with missing the playoffs. He let it be known. He was so displeased. pleased with that. He fired the head coach. So I can't give you any clear indication that Steve

was upset with how this season played out. And maybe there are a lot of things. I mean, the running back situation, the team. And sometimes it's just best. Sometimes we just need to, we just, oh, Cho, sometimes your voice and her voice, y'all just tired of each other. You get with somebody else, she get with somebody else and everybody's just so happy? Yeah. It's like that sometimes. There's nothing wrong with that. Well, what happened?

We just grew apart. After 19 years, sometimes you're not, it's hard to, I mean, you have to be willing to evolve because nobody is the same. The person that you made the very first day, I don't care if you win them for a year. I don't care if you win them for 50 years. That's not the same person. A year later, 20 years later, 30 years. years later, 50 years later. You, they evolved, you

evolved, and each party who had to be willing to evolve with other parties. Dig together. Yeah, and that's a hard part. Obviously, in a coaching standpoint is when you do evolve, you know, everything has to be in alignment. Most of the time, everything's not in alignment when it comes to coaches.

And players hear it so much, it becomes, you regurgitate the same thing over and over. They tie to hear the same message from the same voice. And sometimes changing a voice, it's different. It's different. And so, I mean, listen, even as a bingo, I'm hoping for the Ravens to have some sort of success and be able to compete once again and be at the top of the AFC along with, along with my team. But until they find somebody that come off that edge on or somebody to help

with that D-line, they ain't doing nothing. It ain't going to happen. Like I said, I mean, you're asking your secondary to hold up for that length of time and they're just not good enough to be able to do that. And when the guy has five, six, seven seconds, I mean, there are some. Like, bro, ain't nobody. I mean, Revis and time together wouldn't be able to hold up when the guy's just taking six, seven seconds to throw the football. But you got to have some pressures. But I like this. But there's no, think about it.

The Rams, their quarterback, number one overall draft pick. The Bears, quarterback, number one overall draft pick. The Jags quarterback, number one overall draft picks. Seahawks quarterback, third pick in the draft. Patriots quarterback, third pick in the draft. Eagles quarterback, what, the first second pick in the second round? round. The Broncos quarterback, a top 15 pick. It's not an accident that Bucky listed these teams and each one of these teams has stability at their most important position.

Yeah. He's right. That's not an accident. Yeah. Obviously, the Seahawks, they're going to have to, you know, what do we do with Kenneth Walker? Can we do it with Spooned? If I'm them, I trade. I trade. WOLEN. I trade him. I'm not going to, I'm not going to leave nothing. I'm not going to pay. I'm not going to pay him on Joe. I'm not. I think he's, I think he's restricted free agent. I trade him. I got his right. I'm trading. Yeah, he's going to he go. He's going to be paid. I just can't pay him. Because I you, you can't pay both of them. You won't spoon or you want to know. No, you can't. You can't. You won't spoon or you want Wolling. I'm going to give you a choice. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You can't

keep him both. And they got to take care of Mr. Wolling. too now. They got to take care of what you're going to do with JSC here? Oh, he, he's for the brain. I'm just asking you. Hey, hold on. Him and Pooka.

Yes. Him and Pooka. So I just need, you need to tell me what you're going to do. Because you can, and I get it. I think an order of importance for the Seahawks. Yeah.

Probably spoon, JSCN, Walker's at the low end. Yeah, I mean, oh, you know how they treat. Yes. Unless you're absolutely special. Unless you want them special individuals, you know, that's the way that's the way to cook you crumbles.

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Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. You're not going to like this, Ocho. The Cowboys reportedly find George Pickens multiple times this season per Tard Orcher. It's not necessarily the content of the report, but the timing, Ocho. Are the Cowboys trying to launch a smear campaign against George Pickett to try to take its value? I mean, no, you're not going to be able to take his value anyway.

You know, regardless of whatever fines he did have or whatever fines he received, his value is based on his production on the field. His value is based on his production on the field in between those white lines. Now, whatever sanctioning bodies find them for whatever reason may be being late and all that stuff, but they purposely do stuff like this on purpose. They purposely do stuff like this on purpose to kind of diminish your value. A, if he was late and you had to find him, you know what? Let him go.

Let him go. And watch what happens on the open market. Let him go. You know, so what's the point of coming out with this now? They always do stuff like this. Always. My thing is, Ocho. Talk to me.

Talk to me nice. If he did that during the season, why we didn't find out about it during the the season. Oh, you know why. I mean, we didn't find out one. Himmesee was late when they was here in Vegas. They missed the bus. We found that. But why are we finding out that he got fined multiple times? And people that, people don't get, why? I'm like, uh, people, oh, no, you're supporting DeBron. You supporting LeBron. I said, no, if David Griffin felt like that, he should have said that when he was there. The reason why we're getting out of the Eastern Conference, because

people, y'all, when Ocho and I was going back and forth, a lot of you guys sided with Ocho, So yeah, just tell the truth. I like when people tell the truth. So why didn't David Griffin say that then? That the reason why LeBron James is not as good as y'all believe he is, the Eastern Conference is just weak. It was weak. Why didn't he say that then?

Don't wait to you without a job to try to take your shots at him. That was the time for you to say that. You could have said that. Say, man, look here, I know y'all like to think that what we're doing is unbelievable, but you've got to look at the conference that we're in. It's not very good. Say it then. Be that guy.

If you want to be that guy, be that guy. Now, you know he wasn't going to stand on business like that. He wasn't going to stand on business and say that why he's a part of that franchise by LeBron. But now he wants to take a check. But see, if I want to try to diminish you, what I do. So now what LeBron has done is not that because if you look at the East, why didn't nobody else come out of the East? If it was that week.

So there, hold on. There's 30 teams. So there are 15 other teams. So why didn't nobody else? from that stretch that stretch that LeBron was in the east, why didn't nobody come out of there if they were better than he was? Just talking, just to be talking. Just talking just to be talking.

That's all I just want to know. I just want to know if it's not that big of a deal of Ocho, he should have been able to, he should have been able to like, you know what? Hey, LeBron ain't that. And LeBron ain't like that now. But no, you realize you know what it was. The man had eight 40-point games in one playoff run alone. Eight.

Average 34 points a game for the entirety of the playoffs. Don't try to do me. All I'm saying is if you want to make a point, I just believe in a situation, instead of just saying, look, we had the best player on the planet, and we knew if we had guys that can make timely shots, we had a chance to be successful. There is no guarantee.

But when you say, oh, the comment. conference was weak. Even if, even if, uh, Jerry Krauss thought the Eastern Conference, he wasn't going to say that about Mike. Mm-hmm. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And, and hold on, I like, I like this because this is good. You mean, wait a minute, you want me to play for a franchise that's telling my business? Wait, hold on. You told me, you're going to say that. Hold on. Well, this, this is something that happened in-house. You mean, you, you're going to say that. Not only did you take the fine money from me, you know, and I allowed you to take it out of my check,

but now you don't total of the public? Yeah. You didn't put, you didn't let, you didn't let what I consider the family put our personal business out here on blast? And you want me to come take a home team discount? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you want to, hold on, you want a franchise tag me?

Nah, no, no, y'all, y'all got me messed up, man. I'm NFL young boy. I tell you what. I tell you what? let me go about my business let me go on about my business we ain't gonna tell nothing else i promise nah uh-uh we're gonna put we're gonna put no more your business out there ocho nah that was just one time that was a slip no no no ain't no slip you let me know how i can't i can you know what i don't want to be i don't want to be a part of no family where

everything they go in the house it get out of the house i can't be here i'm good i'm good Oh, you're trying, you're all trying to make me look bad. And you're all trying to embarrass me in public? Okay, I see what it is. Were you not excited to get to work? I was excited to go to work, Ocho. It's different, it's different, though. I lived in the damn stadium.

But you lived there for the first three years. You played, you played the first two years. What about the other eight years? Hey, I would try to be the first one there so I can get to the stereo system. Bad damn that stereo system. I was getting there I wanted to have no special teams Hey

I remember I had Frank My special teams coach I had like With the hands team We had Rich Smith We had Frank Bush We called it Brother Baines I was like man

Look here We're gonna go over that That's on the field Yeah To come and be there for five minutes And then they said Okay if you're on the hands team You can leave

We go over that on the field bad please but but but but but but but but but but but I don't like it I don't like it you have a 53 man roster you have one of your better players that had somewhat of a good season who's had slip ups in the past he's had issues in the past uh whether it be on the field or off the field and the fact that he's on a new team had an exceptional year had an exceptional year this year obviously he's looking to get paid based on his production and the fact that something like this comes out uh purposely on purpose to diminish his value.

Again, I don't think if he could diminish his value anywhere else, especially if he's able to get onto that market, I'm sure maybe if the Cowboys did what was best for them. They let him go and get some pieces and get some other things that they need because there are other questions that need answers on the defense end instead of having everything front-loaded offensively and not being to stop anybody. That ain't going to get you nowhere.

I mean, it's unfortunate. I promise you he wouldn't have any slip-ups. He had one, you know, and one is good. One is good for a player that's improving, that's working on himself. That ain't what this thing said. This thing said he had multiple. You do realize multiple is more than one. Yeah, yeah, he would just late.

You know, the red light catches some time, huh? You know the red light. You know how the red light is. This man here, Chad. Y'all hear this man. You know how the red light. No, cancel. You're okay. Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it.

But here, hey, this, if I'm David Mulligan, I like the fact that, I like the fact. See, I can't even trust this organization to do right by my player. This is someone that you, oh, we can't even trust you. In-house? How you let this get out the house? Nah, man, I don't want nothing to do with this, man. Go ahead, let me get my walking papers. Don't worry about it. We good.

They're not going to happen. Why? You know why it's not going to happen because you understand the value. You understand how good he is. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And the thing is, Jerry probably gave him that money back. Because that's the one thing about Jerry.

If you play well, Jerry ain't looking at it. Jerry like he, Jerry liked to party him to damn himself. Now he really got a little old. Now he can't party like he once could. But Jerry, Jerry liked to have a good time of his damn self.

So Jerry ain't going to hold that against you. If you go out there and ball. Hey, that's all he came out. The man just saying, Playmaker. He got a gold jacket called a playmaker. Did anybody go harder than Mike? And he by dog.

Come on, man. So, Jared don't cut up. Hey, I'm picking up what you put down. If you're having your business on the field, all is forgiven with Jerry. Hey, hey, wait, listen, winning, winning and being productive, cure us all. Winning and being productive. If you can't win, at least be productive.

Now, that both of them can't be horrible. You can't be losing and non-productive. Correct. No. Oh, there's another one production and tolerance when production

is high soil tolerance. Hey, you say it all the time. You saw what George Pickens did he was second team all pro could have easily been first team all pro so if you missed meetings

or being late to meetings or late to practice or late to whatever missed the bus oh man we left a little early anyway but pick get your money man

Yeah Don't let them people play with your money Get your money Raiders Uh huh Now I would just I was just scheming Raiders That's all

Oh Joe I can see Go ahead Now I was just saying I can see it now When you're landing in Vegas Huh Hey Joy A Pickens

Listen to me When you land in Vegas right And as you land in On the spear You can see a picture George Pickens On the spear That's how they're going to have it

When he come in when he's coming, when he signed with the Raiders. You might be right. Yeah, okay, go ahead, go ahead. Ocho, Jared Jones became a Hall of Famer in 2017, but he says it never would have happened without the presence of one key player. Jerry said, I have a gold jacket. I wouldn't have the gold jacket had Michael Irvin not played for the Cowboys,

in a matter of speaking. To be involved and be around winning mentality or that winning physicality, when Michael says it, I listen. Oh, yeah? I like Jerry giving Mike praise, you know, for him getting his gold jacket. But hell, if Mike didn't play there, he still would have got that gold jacket regardless. Jerry? Michael was the heartbeat.

He was the heartbeat of that team. Michael was, and it's very, it's not very often that the leader of your team is a wide receiver. But playmaker was it. He was. He was the heartbeat of that. You see him on the sideline? If Michael is getting in... Paul's getting in everybody's ass.

It's Mike. I mean, Troy, we're every once in a while, but normally it was Mike. Right. Do your damn job! Right. But... This one, A, she over here knocked out. Can you see her?

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Ocho, why do you think Hertz is the most hated player across the league? I think Hertz is the most hated player across the league because he wins, huh? He's been winning. He's been winning since Alabama. He came to Philly, and he's been a winner since he's gotten there. They don't like the way he do things, but he only does what they ask of him. And the results in what they ask of him, even though it's not pretty,

even though it's not aesthetically pleasing to the eye, Jalen Hertz wins all the time. Now, obviously, players, those that play the game, will continue to nickpick at what he's not able to do. Obviously, last season, everything coming to a head because the things that everybody complains about, see, this is why we're not winning right now because he can't do X, Y, and Z.

But still, he is the most hated to me, obviously, because I think he wins with doing the least at his, you know, current position. But it was, it works for them. It has worked, and just last season, it just didn't. People were talking about, What's the context? I hate you, Ocho.

What context? I don't need no damn context. You just, just, you take me for no reason. You were talking about what, what's the context? He's the most hated player. And I think a lot of it has to do, Ocho, he wins. But it's not, like you said, it's not aesthetically pleasing. He doesn't win like they want him to win or how they envision.

He should be winning. They look at how they hate him. They hate him. Or Josh Allen or this guy, that guy win. Well, he ain't winning like that. The objective is to win. You don't get more or less points for winning pretty. And I think that's what, you know, some people, everybody's like,

everybody can't win like Peyton Manning, can't win like Tom Brady. Some people have to do it a different way. And that's okay. But how is it my fault? What? But it's my fault. Oh, yeah. Oh, hold on.

Let me tell you, let me tell you the people whose fault it is on why people hate Jalen Hertz. For one, we're going to go with Cam Lee. We're going to go with you two. Let me see who else. Does Shady say anything? I'm not sure if Shady say anything. I think Shady supports him.

Yeah. Shady, you know, you normally rock with your, you rock with your squad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, you, you, you heavy on him. Cam, heavy on him. Cam, really heavy on him, boy. People don't like the tush push.

Look, I mean, let's say, if my quarterback, my quarterback squad, 600 pounds, That's on you. You got to stop. I think the thing is, Ocho, his interviews. I mean, we don't get a chance to see his personality. I'm sure the guy that we see in front of the camera is not the guy that he is in the locker room. And people like to see personality.

I think that's why people look. And Payton didn't show a whole lot of personality until Peyton retired. Brady, you know, people talk about Brady's sense of humor and thing like that. But he didn't really show it. He was really buttoned up. So I think we're holding Jalen Hertz, or I'm not holding it to him. he is what he is. I don't, it's not,

I'm not casting me in a movie or, or, or, or, or, or, or, it really doesn't matter to me.

But I think the thing is, is that people really do want to, like, is he really this buttoned up? Is he really just, this matter of fact and, you know, no,

he's not excited. Like, hey, yeah, I'm happy, but, you know, it's on to the next. You're not even going to give yourself, you're not going to give yourself an opportunity to celebrate the Super Bowl.

You're not going to give yourself an opportunity. And I, I, I think, I think that has something to do with it. I do. Yeah, a little bit. But, Unk, you got to understand, especially the quarterback position,

you have to carry yourself a certain way. I think Jalen Hurst goes to the extreme with it when it comes to being buttoned up, when it comes to strictly about business. Obviously, you heard his comments after winning the Super Bowl, right back to business, right back to work. But off camera, these individuals are nothing like that. Tom Brady, nothing like that. Paid Manning, nothing like that.

until you're able to see them outside of that environment, outside of having to be the franchise quarterback and the leader of said team, you'll never know him. And that's one of the things that I actually hate that people now, obviously when I was playing, I'm like, but damn, seeing Tom here, being on the same team with him,

he's nothing like what I saw on camera. Seeing Peyton Man at the Pro Bowl. Wait a minute. He's saying nothing like the dude I see that answers everything like a goddamn presidential candidate in front of the camera. No, I just hate that people can't be themselves. You were yourself, but you were tied in.

You put the camera in front of me. The same person you see on nightcap, the same person you saw on the field in front of the camera. Man, could you imagine? My mind won't let me. Shady did say people in the locker room don't like Jalen Hertz. Yeah, yeah. But I'm sure.

I mean, you're not there to be liked. We, I am not, I'm not part of this team for me to come here every day with you for six months out of the air for you to like me. I agree. We are supposed to have one goal in mind when we walk in this building. That's the winner championship together. And that doesn't entail me having to like you. Yeah. It doesn't.

I agree. It doesn't. Likeing me, as long as you respect me, we cool. We got to be best boys. I'm not coming to your house. You're not coming to my house. You're coming to my house. Hey, we're not hanging out together.

Nope. He's married. He seems to be happy in this situation. He seems to be a loner. He seems to be about, hey, I'm here to do a job, the best job I possibly can. And I'm going home to my wife. That's where I am. And I don't, I don't begrudge that.

I just think sometimes you do as a teammate have to get outside your comfort zone. Because you're like, hey, boy, what y'all do tonight? Man, we go into the move. We go, all right, I'm going. Yeah. Man, what y'all do? Man, we play it. We're shooting dice.

How you play? We explained it to them. Okay, I'm in. Yeah. Sometimes there's a quarterback, Ocho, to make, because you already put on a pedestal. Whether you like it or not, whether you ask for or not. Yeah. The last thing that you want the team to think is, oh, he really think.

You bigger than everybody else? Yeah. He think he better to us. Yeah. sometimes you just like hey guy hey sometimes oh cho you have to hey you throw a dinner yeah sometimes hey i know he probably don't gamble or anything like that but hey you all got a a poppy shop machine or a shoe pool hey sometimes you just got to sometimes you got to let your hair down and i know i know hey but i shouldn't have to but it's a different environment yeah yeah sometimes

When you're the head of a company, you got to take, you got to take them out to dinner. Mm-hmm. That's just the way it works sometimes. Why are you looking at me, Ash? Yeah. And let Ash order all the bulljive that she won't. Yeah, especially steakhousing. Because you already know, oh, oh, y'all got skirt?

Oh, what comes on this salad? I don't get his shirt, say. What did you get? Well, you didn't get filet, you got a ribbi? You normally get some bull jive too. and the columbar. Who got the columbar? I didn't eat not one piece.

All I know is I ordered it and didn't eat none of it. But I did see somebody little fingers keep with that fork, that spoon, just keep. That was you. No, I'm talking about the collar bar that came out first. But look, everybody ain't going to be like, no, Joe. You can't make everybody happy,

nor should you attempt to. Yeah, I mean, but listen, Some people have energy, this kind of energy where you can't help but like it. Sometimes some people are infectious. No matter what, you know. So, yeah, hey, if you can find, chat, if you can find somebody that don't like me, generally, that don't like me, I pay you $59. Well, damn. Well, I don't like your ass because you will be $50,900.

So there you go. I think, you know, regardless of error, regardless of whether it's my error, whether it's the current error, was the era before mine, everyone genuinely likes me. Now, they might not agree with the way, you know, the way I played or some of the answers that I did, but there's no way. There is no absolutely way that anybody that dislikes me. If there's anyone that dislikes me, it's something wrong with you. It got to be something wrong with you, and we need to get you help.

Chad, I'm sure, Chad, you can agree. Yeah, I want a thousand percent agree. Yeah, you know, everybody's not going to be, you know, for whatever reason. I tried to be amenable to everybody. I tried to joke with everybody have, you know, but I took, I took winning serious. I took practice serious. I took meeting serious. I didn't want to see you sleeping.

I didn't want to see you bulljiving around because, you know, that could cost us a game. I mean, we only had 16 of those things. And you bulljabbing around and you're not taking the serious. That probably rubbed me the wrong way. And maybe that rub some of my teammates the wrong way. Because obviously, you see how I am now. So you could just imagine. Imagine back then.

Hey, hey, you would have been mad at me if I was your teammate, but you would have been mad at me if I was your teammate, well. Man, man, stop bulljohn so much, Ocho. Hey, you would have been cussing me out. I can see you now, Ocho, what you got for us today? What did you got for us today if you scope? Boy, I would have a, hey, and I'm cool with that. As long as you take practices, like, we out there, we're trying to get better.

Because I ain't out here for my help. It's cold or it's hot or whatever to be there. And every day, even though I try to put on a brave face, there are sometimes I was dealing with stuff that, you know, you just got, you know, you just got to get through. But that was, that was my own thing. I don't, I don't care. I don't care. You married.

You got kids. I don't care about none of that. I don't care about your girlfriend. I don't care about none of that. Would lead that at home, when you come here, we come in here to get better. And when you go back home, you've got to be able to compartmentalize. When you can take your ass back home, you have to deal with. Mama, then.

Yeah. But when you hear? Yeah, separate. Got to be able to separate the two. Who? Man, y'all, full of, I didn't have no, Jordan. Did I eat the cup?

Yes, you did. I got one, I picked up one piece. Of what? What happened to the rest of the plate? Now, I don't know. What y'all, what y'all went to dinner? Where y'all went? Some steakhouse right down the street.

Ooh, y'all got. money. I said, well, damn. Yeah, you were on the plane, though. You didn't get into it late. You order, you ordered the wagon? Nah, I didn't even, uh, I let a ask tell you what happened to my steak. It was burnt. They burned it. It was cooked perfect, but somebody ate it. I hope you ain't. I had like two bites. Did you forget that part? You sent it back? Somebody ate my steak.

Hey, you ain't sent it back. No, I didn't send it back. I did. Oh, I was going to say, hey, Hey, can I, I know, listen, I hate going to dinner or with people who like sitting food back. I will sit in back. If you effed up, I'm sitting it back. Yes. Oh, hell now. Come on, don't tell me you one of them, huh? No, man, I don't like that, man.

I feel bad for my waitress. I feel bad from a waitress. I hate them having to run back and forth. There are people in the world starving. Okay, you know, if they don't get you food correctly, right now, still eating. No, I ain't eating it. Hell, nah. Now, I ain't saying, I don't send them back.

I don't like that. You're paying $100, $150, $200, $300 for a state. It better be shifts. It better be delicious. Yeah. Hey, I hate, I don't mean to tell my personal business bar. I left a chick at a restaurant one time like that, man. If you send your food back and if you don't, I hate not only when you send your food back,

but when you talk to the waiters any kind of weight. Like they believe you. I don't talk to them. Man, I left her there. Oh, you just going to leave? You're not going to pay? I ain't paying, man. I'm good.

I sit by back all the time because I want a dry plate because you know how they put the gravy on the had the juice on the plate. Oh, they got to send that back. I want a dry plate. Okay, okay, okay. Damn. You don't like that. No, I'm sending it back.

It needs to be cooked like I ordered it. I ordered it medium. Don't bring it to me well. Whoa, medium. You don't get it medium well? I get it medium, no. That's too much pink on the inside. Just right.

Just right them out of pink. You don't see. No, I had asked like, oh, rare. Rare? Rare. Rare. Who eat they food? Nah, no, come on, nah.

Don't anybody knows steak. No, she's just playing. She's playing. She gets a medium rare. Okay, okay, okay. That's still too much for me. Sometimes you get medium plus. What'd that mean?

I tell you the minute. Ocho, here's the list. Back to the NFL most hated players. Here's the full list. from Vegas Insiders. Can you see it? No, I can't. If Askin just text that to me,

so I can really chime in on this, I like this. I want to see who's hated. Josh Allen, he's number 17 for the most hated, but he's number one for most loved. Kenneth Gant is number two for most loved. Cam Ward, number three, Bo Necks, number four.

Ty Robinson is number five. Jane Daniel, six, Daniel Jones. Dan Jones is number five most hated But he's the seventh most loved Russell Wilson number eight most loved Justin Field number nine Aaron Rogers number 10 Sam Darlin

Baker Mayfield Trevor Lawrence I don't know who put this head on Trevor Lawrence But this ain't Trevor Lawrence Okay I got I got the list in front of me And most hated obviously

Being Jane the Hertz Jake Moody How in the hell did Jake Moody How is he the most, who the hell voted on this? Don't start me the line. I mean, listen, I can understand Luther Burden. Luther Burden has had some issues, you know, some issues, obviously on social media, a lot of people going back and forth.

Hey, Unk, no disrespect, but people hate cold strange. Bro, I'm thinking he's a tight end, right? Ain't you a tight end? From Jacksonville. He's from Jacksonville or Miami? I see Miami. But he's from Jacksonville. Deshawn Watson.

I mean, we understandable. Tarreek Stevenson. Okay. I'm trying to figure out how these are offensive linemen and some of these players like, like, bro. You know, some of this really doesn't make sense to me. Most of the time, players that are the hated, are those that are always at the forefront,

are those that are very active. So this is confusing me. We see Justin Fields on here. We can kind of understand why people hate Justin Fields. Obviously, the Jets not having any success. Anthony Riggins. Richardson, the ups and downs that he's had in his career. We can get it.

Shamar Stewart. We can see Bengals fans being upset at him. I can understand why he's made this list. Aaron Rogers, I mean, he rubs a lot of people the wrong way, obviously. Either you like him or you don't, there's really no in between with him. Zach Wilson, who doesn't like Zach Wilson? I love Zach Wilson. Anybody that doesn't like that Jackson, there's something wrong with you.

He don't play. Again, exactly. Why do people not like Zach Wilson? Cooper Rush. What? I see Joe Burrow on this list. I think people don't like Joe Burrow because, I mean, for obvious reasons. I mean, Joe Burrow.

He has a supermodel as a girlfriend. I mean, he looks like a damn supermodel, his damn self. And he's a quarterback of the best team with the best dual threat of why he's in the NFL. And I understand why they hate him. This is a cool list. Hold on. Why is, why the hell is Cooper Rush on here? Tell me so we both, though.

Why in Josh Allen all the way at 17? Why is Miles Garrett on the most hated list? What is there to hate unless you're a Steelers fan and you're still holding what happened with him between him and Mason Rudolph against him? That's pretty much it. And Cam Ward. What the hell the Cam Ward do?

What did Cam Ward do would be on the list of most hated? Look at him on Joe's number three for most loved. Yeah, this makes absolutely no sense. Look at Josh Yallis. He's number one for most love. Kenneth Grant. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know who made this.

Hey, who the hell is it? That ain't Trevor Lawrence. Who is that? With the dreads. They got Travis Hunter. And that ain't Travis Hunter either. Oh, it is. Yeah, it is.

It is. Yeah. That list is weird. It's kind of weird. You kind of understand why some people hate certain people. Obviously, Jalen Hertz, his hate is well renowned because people do it publicly, whether there's players, whether it's analysts, whether there's pundits, and whether it's fans. But some of the people on here, it just makes no sense.

No. What the hell did Josh Moody do? What did Jake Moody do? Excuse me, Jake Moody. What did Jake Moody do? I mean, Roshan Slater got hurt. Why are you hating him? The man got hurt.

Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones barely even talks. I barely heard him, I barely hear him talk. All he does is he leaves New York. He goes to goddamn Indianapolis and changes the trajectory of that franchise until he got hurt.

I don't know. It's a confusing list. Oh, yeah. Jake Moody was the guy that kept missing those, he missed those kicks for the 49ers. Remember? And they released it because he was hookin, he was,

he was kicking issue in the San Francisco Bay. Okay. Okay. So it's the 49er fans that hate him, then obviously. I'm assuming it's the fans that voted on this. They didn't get no team vote. That's messed up. The official report cards have a long fixture of the offseason,

with teens being assigned letter grades on various amenities and organization aspects each year by the players' union. However, the league's memo released Friday. The NFL announced it won a grievance against the NFLPA regarding report cards, with an arbitrator determining that the reports violated the collective bargain agreement. Moving forward, the report cards, as we know them, have been stopped as have public release of the NFLPA's grades.

NFLPA later announced in a statement that they will continue to do the report cards with the players, but they'll keep those results away from the public. JJ White responded, hold on, NFL won't let actual players grade workplace. They attend every single day, but they'll allow them. a third-party grading service to display the rankings of players on national television every Sunday night.

Cam Jordan. NFL is upset. Teams have been graded, judged, and coerced to update the facilities, training staff, weight rooms, necessity to keep the modern athlete top tier. Alvin Kammera, Cam, I think you need to tell everybody how you really feel. Cam Jordan also said one third of the time I get upset to NFL and remind myself, a majority of the players, or didn't vote during the last CBA after we had a resounding no vote in a preliminary polling with the NFLPA shaking my head. Ocho. Yeah, talk to me.

I agree. So I don't know how much the PFF pay to be able to grade the players. Right. That's a third party. That's grading players. And some teams look at that grade, say, that's the 25th rated guard. That's the 112th rated safety. that's all fighting good.

But players saying, you know what, we need our weight room upgrading. The training staff is subpar. And you know what? The waiting area where the family is, it's a little small and it's really not conducive. That's a problem. Go ahead, Ocho. I mean, listen, you're right.

You're right. They're having a third party do it and not the players do it. Obviously, the owners don't really want that because obviously, you know, the players are going to always have an issue. They're always going to have something to say about something in general where it doesn't see fit or conducive to them. But you got to think about how the owners think. Listen, we pay you millions of dollars.

We're doing as much as we can to appease you guys and give you the best amenities so you guys can compete on Sundays. But I think as players on, I don't think they would ever, ever really, really be happy. So they will always find something wrong or something that can be fixed or something that can be done to improve whatever the situation may be. But owners don't want to do that. They definitely don't want to do that. No, because if I have to upgrade something, Ocho, what would that cost?

More money. The objective is that I keep costs down while increasing revenue. So if I have to upgrade my weight facility, if I have to hire more staff, if I have to do this waiting area, that's going to cost money. Now, if I could just keep it as is, and as the salary cap goes, up, the TV revenue goes up. I get the pocket more. Tadda.

I get the pocket more. Hey, hey, Winnett, have you seen the Denver Broncos facility lately? Yep. Hey, the Bengals facility now, locker room and amenities and training room, as opposed to when I was playing, Uncton boy, it looked like goddamn Dubai. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesus Christ. It's ridiculous.

Hey, I ain't never seen nothing like that. They got red light sauna and- Yes. What the hell is all this? You got charging ports for all your mobile devices and all. Yes. Yes. Unbelievable.

Hey, Ojo, when I were playing here for the Hawks, we practiced in the arena we played in. Boy, they got a whole big boy practice. Oh, yeah, you got that thing out there by Emory Facility. Big boy facility out there. It's nice. I've seen it. What? It's really, really, really nice.

Yeah, they just spent, they just spent, ooh, they spent a lot of money, Ocho. Yeah. They spent a lot, a lot, a lot of money. I have to take you about, oh, Joe. You're talking about the wealthiest owner, NFL owner. Who? Rob Walton. Oh, Mr. Walton.

Okay, okay, okay, yeah, obviously. He got the money to be able to do that. Hey, Joe, you're going to take me out there, Joe? Yeah. Yeah, I'll take you out there, man. Hold on. Let's see the facility. Matter of fact.

They'll let me in? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they'll let you in. Hey, who's the Hawks best player? Right now? Yeah, Jaylon Johnson. He made an all-star game.

Yeah, hey, I'm gonna be in his ear. Ocho, y'all did get an A for locker room. Oh, yeah, that locker room is unbelievable. Oh, they really came out with these grades, Uncle, Ojo? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. So who had one of the worst grades or who had a... The Cardinals, the commanders? What they had?

Browns. I'm saying what was they grade? They have minors. For locker room. Hey, the Bengals locker room, Joe, boy. Hey, all the lockers light up. They got, oh, man, it's, oh, it's unbelievable. Unbelievable.

Hey, tell Jalen Johnson, man, I want to see him when I come to Atlanta, too, Joe. What you want to see him about? Just a little one-on-one to five. Now, you got to play me first. Joe, you can't do nothing with me, Joe. You got to play me first. Don't worry about Jaylon. Joe, I got your head.

Joe, you can't do nothing with me, Joe. I'm telling you, now. I've been nice all this time. You're gonna wake up another animal, Joe. It's like I really do this, Joe. I know how to deal with you. I'm on that type of time, Joe. That's okay.

All right. I'm telling you. You think they call you ISO. It's going to be a different story. You're going to be calling for help. Yeah. Chill, Joe. Okay, in March.

In March, April, April. April. You been ready to go in April, Joe? What? No holds bars on this boy. I'm going to. Hey, hey. Hey, respect this earned.

It ain't given. I understand that. You know what I mean? Yeah, I understand that. That's why when I show up, I show up right. I show up correct. Yeah. But the thing is that, look, and plus, if you get the ownership,

the Jeff's got to, the Jeff's got an L for ownership. The judge. But you know, but you know, you all, everybody, I'm sure every owner think their facility is top notch. They just do. I don't think, I don't think, I don't think everyone. That's never praised his own pond. Right. I don't think every on the, uh.

They do. They think that. Even though we know that's not the case. Right. Because, oh, Joe, Joe, the frog going to praise his own pond. We got the bluest waters. We got the best fishing. We got the greenest.

We got the best lilies. Right. Everywhere. Bro, this clay hole, you got as muddy as mug. And you ain't got the, you ain't got enough of mudfish swimming in it anyway. And so the thing is, like I said, if I can get by skimping, knowing how much the TV revenue that we're generating, knowing how much in regional revenue we're generating, we ain't sold no tickets yet, Ocho. Yeah. We ain't sold no parking.

We ain't sold no concession. No hot dogs. Yep. Not yet. We. Hot dog. And you know, Atlanta, they get their stuff. You get stuff free, Ocho.

You buy, you get like hot dogs and you get stuff. and then you go get refills and food for free. Refields. Hey, man. One last time you've been to a game, a house game, honestly. Ooh. I ain't never been to a Hulk game. Hey, a, Boosie really got up.

Joe, you know I used to go. Oh, Cho. This thing be like the club, man. They didn't upgrade at this arena, man. Y'all got to come check it out, bro, for real. Hey, you heard me, Joe? What's they? Hey, Boosie really be out there cutting up on the court side like that?

Well, Boots would be able to act in a fool. Swags, surfing, and everything. Yeah. Yeah. It's a different vibe. Now, everybody, every arena ain't like that. No. Like every arena ain't the Mercedes Ben-doned, they get crumped.

No. No, hey, hey, Ocho, yeah. They come dressed. They come like they go into the club, partner. You hear me? Oh, so, oh, so, Joe, when we go to the game, we got to be on point. Oh, man. Ocho, they don't be playing.

I'm, hey, I'm going to wear these pants. Because I know ain't anybody going to have these, Joe. What pan? My cheetah pants. I sure hope you don't wear them. I sure hope you don't wear them no more Oh, you don't like, you don't like, you don't like my pants? You don't got your $45 out of them, Coo?

Not, they cost $25. Oh, yeah, you don't got your money worth out of them. Hey, Joe, you shop on she in? Boy, I would Jeffin to say, you shop on she in, she in? Yeah, hey, hey, my girls over here, they shop on sheen. I go on them, hey, I throw me an outfit in or two on that. Yeah, that's what he's from, too, boy. Hey, hey, I'll let them get a cart, you know, on Sheen, everything's so dirt cheap.

So if they spend $500, boy, they got a gang of clothes. Hey, make sure y'all put, make sure y'all put, make sure y'all put your boy a couple outfits in there for me now. Bad, hey, no, I, I, I only shop there, Shelly, ain't really got me nothing over there. I just, hey, all I know is I get a box show up. I try stuff on. She comes out here. She said, what I like, I keep. I haven't been to a store.

I can't remember last time. I've been to an actual store, to actually try something on in the store. Right. It's probably been seven, eight years, nine years probably. Mm. Damn. I'm Bowen-Yen.

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