Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL PART 2: Browns name Dillon Gabriel QB1 over Shedeur + The REAL Ashton Jeanty STANDS UP

Episode Date: October 4, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL Week 4 stories on Nightcap! Unc and Ocho are joined by Dolphin TE Darrem Waller and Seahawks LB Ernest Jones IV. The guys discuss if Eagles WR A.J. Brown is being selfish for complaining about not getting enough targets even though Philadelphia remains undefeated. Don’t miss the best NFL Week 4 highlights, reactions, and analysis from Nightcap! 0:00 - What Ashton Jeanty said about return of stance18:38 - Browns name Dillon Gabriel QB144:41 - Gabriel with more shade or nahh? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It seems his head coach Pete Carroll loved it. Since House High School, Gentie has stood straight up with his hands by his side in the backfield before the snap. However, during the Raiders off season, the coaching staff demanded Gentie switch to a traditional running back stance. Chip Kelly being the main advocate for Gentie to change. It bent knee game. During his first three games, Gentie struggled to get going. He averaged 3.1 yards of carry on 47 carries. Since changing back to that stance yesterday, he recorded 155 total yards, 138 of those on the ground, three touchdowns, two receiving, one rushing.

After the game, Genty said, that's how I naturally feel good standing in the backfield. So that's how I'm going to play. Ocho, we've heard a lot of players that's played under Chip Kelly in the NFL like, hey, it's like his way. I'm trying to figure out what does that stance have to do with your coaching style

it's all about control with him it's all about control with him that man's been standing like there it's kind of like a quarterback Ocho that's taken and Johnny talked about it and said he only took about six nights his whole career

proud of getting to the NFL under center this man has been playing like this you took him as a top 10 pick in the draft and now you get him and now you want to change everything about it. Why?

I mean, the whole point of you drafting that's high is based on everything he does. Not the production, but why change what makes him comfortable? That's like you draft him, receive it very high and try to change him on how he stands, how he's on the route. Like, what are we doing?

Coaching, that's it. Let him do what he does. He's not giving you any indication in which way he's going by standing straight up. None. That's what he like. That's his style. And plus, Ocho, the man, Ocho, you put him in a conventional stand, how the hell he's going to see?

You buy him put him in a down stance. He already fired six. Yeah, you put him in the, and now he fired two. Yeah. That the man sat up so he could just scan the field. And I think he wears a shield. So it's not like you can see his eyes and see where he's going. Yeah.

I mean, it's all about control with him, man. That stance wasn't bothering anybody. At all. At all. Just to say, just to have your imprint on something. Oh, the coach, and like I said, Pete Carroll should have said, hey, Pete should have went to Chip, said, nah, Chip, we'll lead that stance just like it is.

Yeah, yeah. I'm glad he went back to doing what he like. And it's funny, as soon as he goes back to doing what he liked, he has a game like he did, even though they did lose. Right. But that's, look, if that's what's going to make him comfortable, Locho, running out of that stance, most of the time, hey, coaches are very superstitious.

if you need a special meal, if you need something, they make sure you have that. Right. Yeah, absolutely. They're going to make sure you have that. That man, that stance, rushed for over 2,000 yards, what,

2,500, 2,600 yards last year, and now all of a sudden he'd get there. How does that impact your play calling? Because he's standing up like that. Does it force you to call plays differently than you would if he's in a conventional stance? No. It's okay not to have, see,

I don't fault I don't fault him I fought Pete Carroll for allowing it because at the end of the day he's the offensive coordinator Pete Carroll is the head coach and I've seen head coaches

override offense and defensive coordinators when they did no let him do that because at the end of the day I want you to play your absolute best if standing up in that stance it's like also like you said a receiver some coaches if you're on one side

whatever side you are okay I want you right If you're on the right side, I want your right leg back. If you're on the left side, I want your left leg. Man, go, man, leave me the elf alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If I used to play, I used to play with my stands. And I really love the fact that at times I was given the freedom the changing thing, because you know they watch film.

Yes. When that skinny, it's always the same place. If the ball's in the middle, you're inside edge of the numbers. If the ball's on the left ass, you're outside edge of the numbers. So I used to play with you. with my spitz a lot. Well, you had to, yes, yes. So I would play with my spitz a lot so people wouldn't know what I was doing because

it's always on film. So I would just add stuff into the offense, but I would always end up in the same place at the right time I got to be there. Right. And that's what it's, that's what it comes down to. You know, hey, sometimes you got to, sometimes you got to run a slant. Yeah. You got to switch it up.

You got to, you can, you, hey, man, he tight. Yeah. Well, hell, they're going to know. Sometimes you got, hey, man, I'm going to have to bust it, but I can't keep line up in this tight split and running this shallow, or I can't keep running this tight split and running this speed out because they're going to pick up on that. Like you said, they study film, they study your foot placement,

they study your alignment, they study, okay, oh, oh, he always, he normally always have this foot back. Yeah. When he have this foot back, here comes that bang. so now you put that foot back and you run the out because he's going to be looking to drive the bang because the same thing that we do when we see a linebacker and he's staggered

and he switched his stance oh you come man you coming you ain't been to dropping no coverage man sharp how you know don't worry about it I'll tell you after the game I ain't for to tell you die so you can change it up but yeah let let the young man let the young man prosper. And if that's what's going to help him be his absolute best,

take off, son. Hey, you want to eat spaghetti for a pregame, take off. Yeah. If you want to eat, me, I was a French toast, an oatmeal guy. That's what I had in a banana.

That's what my pregame was. Now, I ate pasta the night before the game, but some people like pasta in state before the game. I don't like, that, Ocho. That's too heavy. That's too heavy. I need to be light. I need that stuff to be out of my system by the time I get to the game. But, yeah, I think Chip Kelly was trying to do too much for that. That was totally unnecessary because now let the guy succeed.

Ocho, Malik neighbors towards ACL on Sunday at MetLife Stadium, ending this season, joining a growing list of players who suffered major ACL in Achilles' injuries in that stadium. Nick Bosa in 2020, Solomon Thomas in 2020, DeBriot Preppers in 2021, Wondell Robinson in 2022, Sterling Shepard in 2022, Kyle Fuller in 2022, Aaron Rogers in 23, Malik Neighbors in 2025. This morning, NFLPA interim executive director David White met with the Giants and raised concerns with the playing surface per Jonathan Jones. David White pre-planned visit to Giants today, according to the union sources, while they met with Giants players. and John Marr and raised the issues surrounding MetLife Stadium's turf history. White also shared the union's best interest, best wishes, tomorrow with his recent cancer diagnosis announcement.

More than 90% of the players have expressed a preference for natural grass than surveys and have continued to ask for it in light of stadiums installing grass for FIFA next year. Ocho. Now, you see what, Ocho, what are they putting in all these stadiums that the World Cup is coming to. What did it put in there on? Tell the people home. Listen, you know especially an event of this magnitude, soccer is only

played once you cross out of the States, is only played on grass. Not just any grass. I'm talking of that beautiful, beautiful. Bermuda? Bermuda. That may be looking like Augusta National. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

So I understand. I understand the players gripes, obviously, about the turf, about the grass. I mean, they prefer and they much rather be playing on grass. I think for cold weather cities that don't have an enclosure. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard.

Now, that would be an issue. So I remember when playing the Steelers having a messed up feel for them, November, late December, it was an advantage. It was advantage of them having a bad feel. So, I mean, if... And plus the thing is, you know, the biggest, problem but NFL games aren't the only thing that's played in that stadium until you grass up you have college games you have concerts so when

Beyonce comes or you have motorcross and you have all these other things that's played in there you need something that can stand up because it's hard to pay for a stadium when you just use it half the year yeah so that stadium is getting used year round especially obviously now you know New York you can't have me that probably not have an outdoor events. But let's just say for the sake of argument, like Jerry's world. See, Jerry figured it out. Guess what they have there, Ocho?

Everything. College football playoffs. Boxing. He's trying to get the Oklahoma, Texas, the Red River rivalry. He's trying to get that there. National Championship games are being played. They're doing other things. They're having concerts.

They're having boxing events. They're having other things. So that's how you make money by having these venues. use and it gets hard, real grass is hard to care for. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's really hard to care for. I mean, it is literally, I mean, we used to have a real grass in, and mile high with some synthetic sewn in, but, man, Ross was on it.

I'm talking about, as a matter of fact, he used to work at the Broncos facility. They took him, and he's especially now, he's in charge of that down there. He don't do the Bronco stuff. Man, they cutting that grass every day. They measured the temperature. How much water? Okay, we gave it too. Hey, they cut the sprinklers on Ocho for 10 minutes as opposed to 15.

They cut it. We cut it too low. It might burn. Oh, man, there's a science to that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, look, at the end of the day, I think they'll sit down. I think they'll come to some type of resolution.

And it's like, okay, what is in the best interest? Because we're hurting the product. Guys are getting injured. You're going to have to convince. You're going to have to be able to show them because, you know, the NFL going to have their doctors and say, see, there isn't a rise. Oh, Joe, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to save money. I ain't trying to install grass and then have to install it every three weeks.

Basically is what you're going to have to do. Because, you know, I think Houston and the Cardinals have that roll out grass. You know what I'm saying? Don't show they roll them pallets out. And then when it's up, they roll them back up. Yep. so it's going to be interesting to see what what uh uh what comes what comes of this i don't know what's going to come of this but it just goes to show you that there is some concern um from

the pa standpoint because these are some of some big names oh cho these ain't just you know willy-nilly players right and uh we'll see like you said i i i just believe the uh the owners like man look here for the World Cup to put us, you know, and the the influx of money that's going to be brought into the community? Honomy? Hey, um, you understand how big? Well, you? Yeah, I do.

Why you think everybody in America, everybody in their mama tried to bid on it? Hell, I think Atlanta got I think Atlanta got something going on there, but the Mercedes Benz don't. Atlanta, my, Miami, L.A., Mexico. Kansas City. Canada, Canada, Kansas City. God, dog, it's a few more.

It's a few more. I'm going to be at all of them. I'm going. I'm excited. You go, you going? Remember, I work with Fox? Yeah. I was out there for a whole month.

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I can't wait. You can't wait for what? So what do you think? You think they go? you think they're going to switch the turf or they're going to leave it as is. Probably leave it as is because it's too much work. There's too much work on their end and it's the kind of work

that's going to cost more. They're trying to cut costs. Yeah, my point exactly. It's going to be interesting to see how this thing plays out because like I said, look, they're studying it now. I don't know how much they studied when everybody. I mean, because there, before this field turf, Ocho, you either had natural grass or you had artificial turf. There was no field turf.

And then they like, this field turf, okay, this field turf is more doable. You don't have to care for it like you do regular grass. It's durable so you can play multiple events on it. You can have multiple things on it, concerts. So you can have a concert, you can have a concert on Saturday night. and the thing will be on Friday night and it'll be ready on Sunday. You know what I liked about the turf, though?

With that? It didn't matter if it was raining. It didn't matter if it was cold. It didn't matter if it was hot. It didn't matter if there was snow on the ground. I was still able to run full speed and stock on a time because it's not given. It's not going to where.

And I could feel every step. I like that. Not that I have nothing wrong with grass, but I just like the fact that is obviously the shoes I wore onk was like a track spike with no cushion, no soul, no nothing. It was just the shell of a shoe and a shoelace.

So just being able to feel, to me, I feel as much faster playing on that turf. I like grass, but you know, I mean, I like grass on Joe, but you know what? I didn't slip because I was a heavy planter and I made sure, you know, I was always, I always, you know, a lot of times

you start slipping when you start, I was like, bro, there's a reason why you only got four spikes in the back and you got seven, eight in the front. So put your damn weight on the front of your, on the ball of your feet, not on your heels. That's why you slip it. Like, that should be common sense, dumb, dumb. Yeah. Hey, and another reason I like it is I was so unorthodox in some of the stuff I did. I could be running the out route.

You know, the out route, your out route is on your seventh step, right? Yeah. With your outside foot, the out route and take an extra step because I can get the 12 so fast and run an outright off my left foot. So let me ask you a question. Did y'all 10 roll to 12 or you 12 roll to 14? I would always go. I always go from, you're supposed to roll from 10 to 12.

Yeah. I would get the 12 because, you know, I can plant that one foot and just flip right away. You're planting on your inside foot? No, I'm my right foot. My right foot. Yeah, listen, I'm talking about one. Well, you're playing on your right foot if you're on the left side.

You're playing on your left foot if you're on the right side. Exactly, yeah, yeah. I can do it in one motion because if you got a good DB, I'm talking about a really good DB that said, you know what, I'm not moving. I'm not for the sit.

I'm going to read the quarterback. The first three steps and let me get my eyes back on you. And that roll, if you roll it from 10 to 12, he's driving. Yeah. The ball ain't perfect. He's going the other way.

So I'm not going to give you no chance. I'm getting the 12 and I'm going to make sure you getting up out of there. Are you going right down the middle or you're trying to pick a shoulder? No, I'm staying right down the middle.

I'm staying right down the middle. Yep. Because if I weave a good dude is just going to weave right with you. He's just going to reset everything. So I want to give you no indication. I'm going to stand a straight line. Get you to open.

If you open, boom, I'm snapping off. Right. You won't play ball. All right, without me yet. You got to get him out of that backpedal. Look, now they'll call it. If you run into the guy, now, if he's standing there and don't want to move,

you run into him, they're going to call it now. Right, right, right. Whereas before, they wouldn't call that, because he's like, he's entitled to that ground also. Yeah, so he's entitled to that spot. And, but, you know, I'm, I'm trying to get him to open up also. Yeah. I'm trying to get him to open.

But for the most part, the last thing they want to do, they don't want you to step on their toes. They don't want you to step on their toes because they know if you step on their toes, it's over for the nine ball. It's a wrap. It's over for the nine ball. Hey, and the last thing you want to do is, hey,

and I, hey, Ocho, you know, you got to be, you come back like you dig. I'm like, oh, hey, come to this nine ball. Look at it running. Hey, I know. I ain't going to, I ain't going to, I'm playing, my bad, my bad. I ain't mean to dig that hard to get you to open up, but I had to get you out of that back parallel.

I had to make you move because if he doesn't move on Joe oh he's going to drive that He's driving on it Oh he's driving that And especially It all depends on how tight you are

Because he knows if you type The outbound Oh you want some You want some space to run the aisle Uh huh Uh huh Uh huh Uh huh

The chief Cleveland Browns Have announced That their third round pick Dylan Gabriel will start Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings in London. When asked about Gabriel getting the starting job, it was literally, it literally left Shador speechless.

Ocho, let's take a listen to the same. Yeah, yeah, let me hear that thing. Quarterback. Vocally, anything to say? Or, what do you think, you have to show, you know, show to some coaches just to, you know, have that belief in you that you can, y'all be ready. What can you say? How much has Joe been important to both you and Dylan in terms of your guys like development to this point? Oh, Cho, do you like the way

your door handle this press conference? Absolutely. Absolutely, because whatever he says, they're going to twist his words. If you say nothing, you know, there's really, on any other team,

there are 31 other, excuse me, there are 31 other teams. Do any of those media members talk to the third string quarterback? No. It's controversy. Why create controversy?

How do you not create it? By when they, ask your questions, just don't answer. You just don't answer. If anything, they should be talking to Joe Flacko. Why are you talking to Sodor? It makes no sense, and I like the way he handled it, because anything he does say, they're going to make it a big deal.

They're going to twist his words. They can take it completely out of context. Listen, Dylan Gabriel's a starter. So be it. For me, I mean, it's being reported. Adam Schaefter reported and some other networks are starting to report that this was his response. to Rex Ryan saying what he said on the Sunday show

that keep your mouth closed, move to the front of the class, and X, Y, and Z. Okay, I like that. I guess this was a situation where he's like, okay, I should keep my mouth shut, I'm going to keep my mouth shut. It's hard for me to believe that the scenario that he didn't talk to his father, obviously he leans very heavily on his father, rightfully so.

His dad has been through things like this where, you know, he says something and then it, And if he says something, it's one thing. If he doesn't say something, it's another thing. So he took this approach. Look, he's not just any other quarterback, any other third string quarterback. No. You and I both know if he was any other quarterback and he slid down where he did, we wouldn't

be having it. If he was any normal fifth round pick, we wouldn't even have this discussion. Yeah. But he's not a fifth round pick. So we shouldn't ask him to act like a fifth round pick because that's, That's not what we believe he is. For me, look, if he to talk, if he had took the pro, say, look, I'm happy for Dillon. Right.

Hopefully he goes out there and plays well. Joe, I feel bad for Joe, but, you know, this is the game of football. This is a business. And, hey, I've just, you know, I'm happy for Dillon and my job doesn't change. Right. I go out there, I prepare. And if my time, if my number is called, I'm going to go out there and give it everything that I possibly got. That's really the only thing that he can say,

what's he supposed to say? Yeah. Now, it's a situation. I'm not, you know, we had this conversation and everybody from Cleveland jumped on me. I said, guys, what are we doing? Right. Why is Joe Flacco here? Yeah, we know, Flacco was in Cleveland once before and they let him go. Yeah. He was in Indy and he wasn't, let me get the straight. He wasn't the answer the first time around in Cleveland. He wasn't the answer in Indy. He wasn't the answer at the Jets. But now, he's going to be the answer this time around. Joe Flacco hadn't been the answer since 2012

when he took the Ravens to the Super Bowl and that's it. Go ahead, Ocho. I don't think he was the answer, it was more sure the short term, the short term answer until they're ready to see who's going to be quarterback number two. We find out who quarterback number two was

and it was only a matter of time. Same thing with Russell Wilson and Jackson Dart. Russell was a starter. He was a starter for, he was a starter for, for a short time, like you said, eight weeks or maybe after. I thought it had been way, I thought it had been far beyond that. But obviously we see what happened. They made a change after week three.

Same concept. I knew I knew I wasn't going to be there, being there too long. And I mean, listen, Dylan Gabriel is now the quarterback. I wish some luck. And we're going to see. To me, to be honest with you, I don't think he's the answer. I don't think it's the answer. And we're going to find out.

Listen, this ain't the preseason. This ain't the preseason. And the defenses that you're going to see now are going to be a lot more different than we can solve during the preseason. So if he can handle the pressure, one of the things I do like about Dylan Gabriel, it not only can he throw the ball, he showed that he can be efficient in the preseason,

but he's also a dual threat. He can use his legs. Similar to Jackson Dart. I'm not saying Jackson Dart, but I'm just saying he had that dual threat capability and being able to extend plays and throw the ball. I you know it's like it's funny how we we look at things now James Winston has a big personality he's a third string quarterback everybody with a lot of James had he did the exact same thing right I mean think about it Ocho yeah the funny thing that he says and the mannerisms that he has yes this is James yeah absolutely but they have a problem we should do I don't know how should do a win if he says something He shouldn't have said anything.

If he doesn't say anything, he should have said something. Until he gets on the field and somebody can say, either, see, I told you he could play or I told you he couldn't play, it's going to be something, Ocho. That's just the way, that's just the nature of what it is. Absolutely. You know, it's totally unfortunate to, if it was any fifth round pick, he wouldn't be talked about like this.

No. Because this would come with that last name. Yeah, absolutely. This would come with the aura of being a Sanders. It just, it is what it is. Obviously, I feel the Browns, an organization, Stefansky, obviously, the owner himself came out and said, this wasn't my pick.

This is not who I wanted. So the odds are stacked against him. The car that he dealt, he can have to do his best job and playing the hand that he has. When that opportunity comes, if it does come, you got to come out. You got to be prepared. You got to be prepared.

And when you get it, you got to shut that door behind you. I get it. Look, and people say, would James prove themselves? What? That he's the, he's the, he's the, journeyman quarterback. He threw 30 picks. He was the last quarterback in the NFL since you got to go back to Test of Bertie in the 80s. They threw 30 interceptions. So I'm trying to figure out what did he prove? Did he take Tampa to the Super Bowl? Because all I know, the team that

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is we can prove prove okay fine I get your point where he started in the league he was rookie of the year in the league you're absolutely correct but I there are a lot of guys that's proved they can Joe Flacco proved that he could play in the league Joe Blacko won a Super Bowl he's a Super Bowl MVP yeah go look at Joe Flacco playoff numbers I mean you would say that Joe Flacco would have proven more if you say improved than James I was just saying the personalities. When we like somebody, Ocho, we'll tolerate more of their behavior than if we don't.

Yeah. See, we like Javis. Jamie's funny, man. Y'all heard what Jain was saying. Jamis was funny. James was going to have a career media. Yeah, James is 101. James is.

Yes. There isn't another personality like him. I think Shador doesn't have that kind of personality. I think people just don't like Shador based on the or what he comes with, the name. uh pops as well some of the things dion may have said in the past people like dion so any any ill will toward dion and just overflowing onto his son as well um for me um you ignore it especially as as um as your door you ignore it you've been you've been prepared for this moment you've had the deal

all your life now it's come to a head you at the last stop you've reached the pinnacle your childhood dream of being on an NFL team you're not the starter but you're you're not the starter but you're you have an opportunity to be the starter at some time if things don't go well. You just need to make sure you are prepared when the opportunity presents itself. And that's pretty much it. All the noise, block all that out, man. Block all that out. It's just unusual to see the starter get benched.

And, well, I guess it's common because when, when Russ got bench, Jackson Dart came in the start and Russell went to the backup. So I guess it's not unusual as we might think it is. You're like, well, hold on. Flacco got benched. Should do it with our rated third. Shouldn't everybody just like move up a spot and the guy jumps back? But that's seemingly not how they did it because Brian Dayball said that Jackson Dart

would start the rest of the season and Russ was surveyed as his backup and Jamis stage where Jamis is. Yeah. And I don't, I guess it's common. I don't really know Ocho, but it seemed like this is the same thing. Joe Flacco lost his job. The guy that was backing up, Joe Flacco moves to the starter, and Flacco moved to number two, and the third quarterback stays exactly where he was.

Yeah, absolutely. I think the thing is, until Shador gets on the field and proves or disproved, what the Ocho is 50, I mean, want to play, he's 20. too cocky he's too this he does this and he does that the mannerism until he's on the field right until he plays is the the chatter the noise is not gonna stop no it's not it's not are you muted me he ain't said nothing i can't hear him you can't hear me oh just me yeah that's you i'm talking to you can't hear me that Hey, can you see my muscles?

You see my muscles? Hey, chat. Can you see my muscles? Yeah. Okay, there you go. You got me now? Yeah, I got you. Go ahead.

That was me. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can eat. But they, but it's, it's a situation, oh, Cho. People want to see him succeed or they want to see him fail, but they want to see him on the field. Yeah. That's what it comes.

that's what it comes down to, Ocho. I want to see him on the field and I want to see him sink or swim. Right. Yeah. That's what it comes down to because all this talk, well, he shouldn't have been this

or he shouldn't have been that. Now, he's going to either prove a camp right or he's going to be proven wrong. Right. But they want to say, okay, see, now that's why he's led to the fifth round. Man, I don't know how. Y'all see how he playing?

He should have never been in the sixth round. I mean, the fifth round. Right. You don't know. I'm sure he. talk to his dad. Yeah. His dad is like, look, son, if it was me, you handle it.

You're your own guy. You're your own man. But Rex said, I don't know exactly. I don't want to misquote, but I think he said something to the fact, why are you talking? Because it's the same situation. And here's where he's going to get beat up at. If he doesn't go play in and he doesn't play well, Ocho, remember, he said he can play better

than some of the starting quarterbacks right now. That's what got LeBron in trouble with Brony. Brony was in high school or Brony was in college, and he, Braun said, Bronie is better than some NBA players currently. You put a huge target. Now, I get it. When you tell your son, you know,

you believe in your son and you should believe in your son. But when you put it out there like that, Ocho, man, you're asking, you're asking for a lot of criticism. Yeah. Should we be surprised that he was named starter? No. I mean, he was the number two. It shouldn't be a surprise at all. It shouldn't be a surprise at all. He was, he, listen, Mr. Fancy came out before the season started and said that Dylan Gabriel will be the number two quarterback. I mean, that's what it is. That's what it is. So we knew at whatever point, things weren't going well for Flacco, Dylan Gabriel would be the next man up. Now, if things don't go well with Dylan Gabriel, I don't know what's going from that point on. That, see, that's where I was going next. Oh, you were. You're right, Ocho, because.

it was reported that Gabriel was getting first team reps along with Flacko its earliest training camp. So he was getting first team reps. Flacco was getting first team reps. And who was the quarter of the quarterback? Uh, can't, um, damn. From the Steelers. Kenny Picket. Yeah. Kenny, uh, yeah, pick it. So those guys were getting first team reps. Should do it wasn't getting those reps. So I agree, we shouldn't be surprised. The question that I have for you, if Gabriel struggles, now what do we do? Do they go back to Flacco or they say, oh, do they give Shadour an opportunity? You know what? I'm not sure. And knowing the game,

understanding the business and knowing how the business works, I think they will probably go back to Flacco. I think they would go back to Flacco. And if things don't work out again and Flacco still not successful when he returns back to the field, then I think Shaddua will get his shot somewhere on the back half for the season. Oh, Cho, let me ask you a question. Talk to me. If you think he should do or knew what he knew now, you think he goes back to Colorado for his last year?

If he knew what he knew is now, if he knows what he knows now? High insight, yeah. Probably so. Probably so. I think so, too. I would think so. But there is no possible way. There's no possible way.

Ocho, there's not a scenario that anybody thought, Okay, let's just say, Ocho, he's not the first pick. He's not a top five. He's not a top ten. Let's just say, you know what, Ocho, because you and I having this conversation, let's just say that he's not a first round pick. 32 players going to be selected in the first round. Right.

Ain't no way he thought he'd be a fifth round draft pick. No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Not all. And some people listen, some people will say, well, he wasn't that good. He was mid. He would, listen, he can play the, quarterback position he can play the quarterback position he does he does he's not a dual threat but

what he would he lacks in his ability to run the ball he makes up in other areas he has other intangibles that makes him a quality quarterback where he should get an opportunity to start on an NFL team and until he gets the opportunity to prove he can do just that we're going to have to wait and see he should apply for hardship for COVID Say I want to say I want to say I want to go back and play you're right you're right I mean there's really like no way to really know um I mean hell I didn't somebody would have told me I was going to be a self-ride draft pick I say you watch your damn man yeah yeah I was the number I was the number one rated or one of the number one rated players below

division one hey so I'm like okay I ain't going to go in the first round but somebody tell me I'm not going to be a top three third round a top three round pick man please let me let me tell you some huh you've been around a long time I've been around long enough to understand that business and how that business works yeah anything they don't like about you before you get there they will find a way to humble you they will find a way to humble you and when your opportunity does present itself or you've got to knock that goddamn dough down and close it behind you because you're not going to get very many opportunities, especially if they don't like you.

I would have, yeah, I would have, I agree with you, Ocho, because my brother should tell me all the time, I say, man, you know, I've been training camp, Ocho, and I'll be like, man, I ain't getting no ref today. Or I'd be in practice, you know, once I made a team. He said, don't worry about it. He said, one day, John Elwood's going to call on you.

He said, just make sure when he called your number, you better be ready. got to be ready he's and and i think the thing that really helped me ocho is that he told me he said t you can you could you could you could be good in this league he said there ain't a whole lot of here ain't a whole lot of can do what you do now he said just keep work you know just keep working hard i i don't know why that man took a liking to me i don't know joe i don't know why right but i mean for him and gary kubbiak kubyak kube was the backup when i was in different when i first got there 9091. Hey, cool used to pull me to the side. Now that's when you know somebody really

take a liking to you. Yeah. He pulled me to the side. He said, he would show me, it's like, hey, now you're going to be on this, this and this. You know what you got? Now, they're going going to be in this coverage. You run this. You're going to be on that coverage. You run that. Oh, sure. I'll be out there going like I'm doing like, okay, good job. Good job, sharp. Hey, you know what else? You know what else? They'd be like, oh, oh, Joe, they be like, good job, Sharp. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about getting your playbook. Man, cool, told me everything.

And you know, what else? When I think about it, when I think about some of the things the fancy said, when I think about some of the things the owner said, they baiting to a little bit too. They baiting. When you go to the Army, when you go to the Marines, when you go to the Navy, any of those places where it's a structured environment, what's the one thing they try to do to make sure to see if you ready or you're worthy?

But they're going to try to break you down. Trying to break you. They're trying to break him. He cannot break. You cannot fold. You cannot lash out. No, hell no. I don't come this far.

Hell no. They can't do none of that. You got to stay the course. You got to stay the course and focus on the end goal and prepare for that opportunity because it's going to come. Yeah. It's definitely going to come. Man, Ocho, look, I'm going to share this story with you.

I only shared it one time and I shared it with when I spoke at Coach Reed funeral. I was the only his wife called me and asked would I speak. Now you got to realize all the people that he played with. Coach Reese played the league. He played on the country Landry. All the coaches, he coached, he was the officer coordinated with the Cowboys. He was the head coach of the Broncos. He was the head coach of the Giants. He was the head coach of the Falcons. He asked me to, they asked me to speak. I didn't know until like she told me but um she's like shen it would be a huge honor if you were to speak at dan i was like i'm like are you sure i'm like she's like i'm sure she said shannon you was always his

favorite he said you worked so hard he'd he say he saw how you came in and what you work and turned yourself into he was just so proud so i'm sure he would be honored if you spoke Also, every Sunday, Coach Reeves would ask seven or eight of us what we had on a certain plate. God on his troop. Every time he would call on me, he would already have, saw me, he would tell me he was, step out in the hall. He would tell me, I'm going to ask you this.

This is what you need to say, say it like this. And I'm like, why he, he ain't doing that for nobody else. Right. He's not. That's why it hurt me so bad, Ocho, when he got fired. I said had I became, because he got fired the year I made my first Pro Bowl, I led the team and received it. Right. That, it hurt me so bad.

I said, if I had only become what I later became in 93 through 98, right, ain't no way, coach. Reeves got fired. So that's why it hurt me because he invested so much in me. He believed in me. He did. He draft me. Somehow he lost his damn mind and forgot to cut me. And for him, John and Koob and Coach Reeve that take that kind of time, I promise you.

I don't know. You don't quote me on this. It's hard for me to believe that a head coach is taking that kind of interest in a seventh round draft pick. in today's game. It's hard for me to believe John Elway, the number one pick in a 1983 draft. He was a pro bowler. He was an all pro. He was an MVP. Had gone to three Super Bowls is taking that kind of liking in a seventh round draft pick. Gary Kubiak, who is the backup? It's taking that kind of liking. Ocho, I ain't have no choice. Yeah. It's like my grandmother,

when she took my mom's three in after raising hers, I ain't have no choice, Ocho. How could I let these people down that had invested so much in me that believed in me how i couldn't right man i got no playbook hey every night i'm going home i say i'm going to know everything it became second nature it became i knew i knew what i had to do it's hard to because check this out ocho yeah the tied-in is normally uh uh uh why yeah In Dan's offense, he's X. The X. Yes, because Coach Landry was a defensive coordinator.

Uh-huh. So everything is backwards. 1, 3, 5 is to the right. 2, 4, 6, 8 is to the left. Yeah, okay. Yes, so if it's backward, that's not Z. That's a wing. Okay.

X, Y. Wing three Y dig, tight-in is the X. Ocho, tied in bed Y his whole life. Two, four, six, eight, been to the right, your whole life. One three, five, seven is to the left. Ocho, now you got verbiage? Ocho, I came from the route tree. Six, five, four.

Same. Seven three, seven. Man, what you mean? 52 double slaying is special. Huh? What I got. Fifty-two. I ain't never heard nothing like that.

Right. Oh, man. Jeez. My mind was spinning. Oh, there's some good days, boy. Ocho, I just want to know what is it going to take? What do you believe it will take for you doer to get an opportunity to start this season? Because this is because if he doesn't start this season, Ocho, the whole purpose,

of him not going to Baltimore and it's reported that there were another team. The Eagles also thought about selecting him. He said, no, I don't want to play behind her. It wasn't that he didn't want to play behind guys like that, but you're talking about a guy like Jamie Hurst

is very doable. He doesn't miss time. Lamar. You're not seeing the field, huh? You're not seeing the field at a new places. You're not the opportunity to play. What happens if he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland? that's one I don't know and that's I'm not understanding but if he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland being that they have shortcomings with flackle and they have shortcomings with Dylan Gabriel then that's malpractice on ownership it might have to a point where you have no choice but to put him in there because not only the team going to call for him the fans and the media are going to call for him as well I definitely think the fans are going to be called

for if you're if Gabriel doesn't play well right I mean look just don't turn the ball over just don't just keep the defense off the field for damn for 35 40 minutes I'm not asking you to be a world beater but if you can give your defense or if you can score enough and keep the defense off the field yeah where they're not playing 35 40 minutes you got to you're going to have a chance yeah you're going to have a chance the defense is plenty good enough but not if you wear them down. Yeah. So we'll see.

Oh, Joe, Dylan Gabriel made an interesting comment yesterday when talking about becoming Brown's new quick QB1. Let's take a listen to what Gabriel had to say. I smile because it's like a moment you prep for and you are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that it's extreme focus. And that's what I've continued to harp. on, but you wait for the perfect time, you know, you're going to wait a whole lifetime.

So for me, I'm just, I've always been ready for every moment. Wait for the perfect time. You'll be waiting a lifetime. I like that. Because when you do get your moments and your opportunities, sometimes the ideal situation is never perfect. It's never perfect. The ideal situation that you envision in your head to get the idea of the situation.

the opportunity, it's never going to be how you envision it. And that's exactly what it is. Sometimes there's adversity. Sometimes there are obstacles that you have to climb to get said opportunities. And for him, it hasn't been perfect.

Hey man, my light. My light just went out. I don't think he was talking about him waiting a lifetime. The reports didn't come out that he's told a team not to draft him. I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't coincide what he said and having to do anything with with 12 I don't yeah no it's hard to even no not even close not even close no that's in a sense I get you know that would be that would be almost be reaching a little bit that that's to me no so but I'm trying to figure out how you why would he say if you wait for the perfect time, you have to wait a lifetime.

Well, I, come on, huh? I'm just asking. We can't, we can't, that's his words. That's what he came up with. That might be a saying he's, I don't know. I don't know, but I still don't, I don't coincide what he's saying and having to do anything. It's your door.

Look, is it ever going to be perfect, on Joe? I mean, all things being equal, you like for the Dolphins to draft you. All they be like, man, let me go home. I want to play for the Dolphins or I want to go play with somebody got a quarterback, yada, yada, yada. But look, and I get it, quarterbacks are different

because normally you get a quarterback and he's good, he's going to be there for a period of time, and you got to, you know, you got to wait and hope everything happened. I mean, I did, let me ask you a question. Ideally, do you think Tom Brady

and given the choice wanting to go to New England after they had just given me, Drew Bletzel, the highest paid quarterback in the NFL, He had just signed a six-year-a-one-million-dollar deal. Do you think that was the ideal situation for Tom Brady? Absolutely not.

What happened? He got hurt. Drew got hurt. True got hurt. And guess what happened? It was an ideal situation, and it wasn't perfect. He made an ideal. Bingo.

And the same thing. Joe Flacco is not playing well. Not the ideal situation, because maybe the ideal situation is, I drafted in the third round and I beat Joe Flacco out in training camp and I'm the starter week one. That's the ideal, perfect situation.

I don't believe there was going to let anybody, look, it's been reported they wanted Kenny Pickett to win the job. And Gabriel B. Seneca, should do it be third. I don't ever think there was going to be a situation, no, Joe, that a rookie

was going to beat Joe Flacko out. I don't. No, I didn't either. Based on Flacko. I didn't either. But again, The way to go on who you start with is you start with the veteran who has experience. And when the bottom falls out, then you make a change. The bottom fell out, they made a change.

Right. Man. So the guy could have told him the bottom was going to fall out. Yeah, at some point. The bucket was rusty anyway. You talking about the bottom fell out. Hell, the bucket rusty. But then you think was going to happen to the bottom.

Look, at the end of the day, Shudor needed to make the best decision for him. you might not agree with what he did. He should just be happy that somebody was going to take him. X, Y, Z. I get it, Ocho. I get all. I do. I honestly get all of that.

Because normally when we come out, Ocho, we just happy to get drafted. Really, I am. I didn't keep careful about it. Man, the big, really, the Bengals, the Patriots, the Colts, anybody could have drafted me. I got drafted to the NFL. That was the start of the journey. Yeah. I mean, sometimes people get drafted, Ocho, they say, oh, yeah.

No, bro, your journey just started. You ain't never been to the NFL. I don't know if your, my dream was not to just get, was not to be drafted. My dream was to get to the NFL and play. Right. Being drafted is just half the process. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Also, you have to think.

Now let's let's let's use a little. Go back. My chances, if I'm Shadoor, I don't want to go to Baltimore. You ain't going to see the field. You're not seeing the field for the next 10, one, two, three, four, for I think the next 10 11 years it's going to be the Mar Jackson show. I know a guy that went

to New England when Tom Brady was at his apex named Jimmy Garapolo played a few games, played good enough, and then what happened? Tell the people at home that don't know that wasn't around when Jimmy Garapolo got drafted to the New England Patriots and Tom Brady got suspended because we never know

because there's only been one omnipotent one. Yeah. Be all knowing. Yes. Tell the people at home what happened Jimmy Garapolo got drafted to the New England Patriots. There's an unforeseen that we cannot have possibly known. Tell the people, I want you to take the story over from there. Hold on. I forgot the story.

You got to bring me up to speed. Jimmy Garoppolo gets drafted to the New England Patriots. Tom Brady gets suspended for four games. Jimmy Garapolo played well enough to say, guess what happened, on Cho? The 49ers traded a second round pick to get Jimmy G. Okay. Now, Lamar Jackson is hurt.

If Chatur Sanders is there, guess who's going to get in the game right now, Ocho? Shadoor Sanders. If you play well enough, because you know you're not going to keep the job from Lamar Jackson. You play well enough, guess what happens, Ocho? Tell the people what could possibly happen. Yeah, he could probably get traded.

Somebody willing to give up picks for him. Tadda! And you get to a situation that you always wanted. Because, look, good. Or the cars that you were dealt, I'm going to take my chances going somewhere else. I'm going to take my chances going. Let me stay with me now. Go ahead.

I'm going to take my chances going somewhere else where the odds are stacked against me, those obstacles and those hurdles, that adversity that I've always had to overcome in life. I'm going to do it the hard way. I got to wait and wait my turn. Because he's going to get him. get his opportunity, y'all? Guess what else is stacked against you? What's that?

The talent in Cleveland versus the talent in Baltimore. Yeah. Because when Jimmy Garabolo went to New England, guess who he was throwing to? Danny Mendoza. Guess who else, Julian Edelman? Yes, who else, Rob Grancowski. Guess who he would be handing the ball off to, Greg Henry? Guess who he'd be throwing to, Mark Andrews?

Guess who else, Rashad Bateman? Yes, who else? Hall of. Made flowers. Made flowers? Oh. Now, let me ask you. you another question. Who would you rather be

throwing the ball to? The guys in Cleveland or the guys in Baltimore? Who would you rather hand the ball off to? Derek Henry or the guy in Cleveland? I'm just asking, I don't know. I mean, you might like... I hear you. It sound good. That would be the ideal situation. But would it

Dylan Gabriel just say? I don't have the ideal situation. The situation I mean was not perfect, but when the opportunity... Hold on, hold on. Can we re- write that and play that again? Can we rewrite his side? I smile because it's like a moment you prep for and you are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that it's extreme focus. And that's what I've continued to harp on. But you wait for the perfect time, you know,

you're going to wait a whole lifetime. So for me, I'm just, I've always been ready for every moment. If you wait for the perfect time. So I'm Sador and I'm in Baltimore. So I'm waiting on Lamar to get hurt because that's what you waiting for in what you waiting for in cleveland you waiting for joe flacko to mess up so either way whichever place you go to you still waiting on the perfect time you still waiting on the ideal situation where you can get in there and do what you do regardless to what's surrounding you you still got to do what you got to do right when you get in there everyone you know what you know what's funny is you can't focus on what's around you you can only focus on what you need to do right do what you need to do regardless of whether you have

great supporting cast or not whether i got derrick here or not whether i got they flowers or i got goddamn got damn derrick in the background i got to do what i got i got to do i got to hand the ball off to juckins jukins right jukins yeah jukins i got to get the ball to jerry jerry judy i got to get the ball at unjuku whatever i got to work with that that hand i got well when you play blackjack they give your hand right i'm trying to beat the dealer that's it I got the work with what I got. I guess I got, man, you gave me 14. I guess what you got?

You got a night. I got to hit it. Hey, that's the beautiful, that's the beautiful thing about life though, huh? It is. It is. We all envision getting the perfect hand. But sometimes the card that God deal us,

they ain't perfect. But he ain't going to give us 21 every time. No, and sometimes you might have 21 And the dealer got 21 And you'll be like, and you didn't take no insurance out Yeah, it's a push Oh, you're like, oh yeah, I got 20 And then he flip over blackjack

Ooh So you're right, there are no Look, there are no perfect scenarios Yeah We make, whatever it is, we make the best out Because every time, hey, you got eight, you got eight You got 10, you get three, you get a five, you get a five you get another three 21 yeah like damn i don't know how i got i don't know how i made

that hand yeah and that's what you're doing is going to have to do okay he's going to have to wait a couple more weeks because uh uh uh dylan gabriel is in there now and they're going to give it they're going to give him you know three to five weeks yeah and this i i hope he does well i don't too i don't look i can't wish bad on joe i've been in that same situation, Ocho, I was the third. Hold on, Clarence K, Orson, Berger. I was the four tight end, Ocho.

Guy. Guy. Four. Every tight end on the roster got hurt. Hold on you, you was four? Fourth. First of all, I was, first of all, I was the

fifth receiver. So that's what I was, I was the fifth receiver. Yes. Yeah. Hey, you were sorry. Hey, I was a special team, man. I was special teams, Ocho. Now, that's that my job. Now, hey.

Yeah, yeah. Give them a good look at practice. Right. Special team, go down there and do what I need to do. Yeah. How everybody, all the tight ends, get hurt. Yeah. I'm the biggest wide receiver.

But at that point in time, Ocho, I'm already down. I came in, I weighed 21. By that time, I'm like 2.12. What wide receiver you know Ocho can go play in tight end, even in today's game, when they don't really block like that at 212? That's very undersized That's very undersized Hell, I did shit

When I came in this movie I was 212 So it was a situation Like And when Dad they sent for me To come talk to Dan I think I'm gonna get cut Because Coach called you

They say hey Dan I want to see you in his office And you just had a meeting What you're the bad I'm gonna tell my What I'm gonna tell Libby way What I'm gonna tell Span Damn

Everybody at back and just Ocho everything going through my head Yeah I know I know them ends And back home I'm gonna be yeah I told you. I knew he wasn't going to last long.

Hey. He could tell I was nervous, Ocho. I'm. That's a dick, man. Coach. Hey, Shanna, come on in. No, I'm good. I can hear you out here.

Hey. He said, uh, what do you think about switching positions? You want to think about move you to tight end. I said, okay. He said, I say, you're going to throw me the ball? He's like, yeah, you know, you got to learn the plays, but yeah, we'll get you the ball. I said, okay.

Ojo my heart was beating so fast. Yeah. So, hey, now I ain't into where I receive with me to know. I'm with the tight ends, yeah. And just like that halfway through the season, boom. Ex-in interview, Ocho, we were five and 11 that year. Yeah. He said, hey, Coach Reed, tell him I go to his office.

He said, you did really good. But, hey, need you to get a little stronger, put a little weight on. Yeah. Hey, we think you could be really good. We think you could be really good. He's like, man, I'm so, okay. Bad, Ocho, bad, I hit the weight. Man.

So that's what, A, Chudor, I don't know when this opportunity is going to present itself. But when it presents itself, and I'm sure your father has told you this, when the opportunity presents itself. Sometimes an opportunity presents itself, Ocho, grumblers complain about the noise. Don't worry about it. See it the moment. bro. What that was, you said? Opportunity when it knocks,

Grumbley complains about the noise. Hold on. That's opportunity. Gone. Hold on. Hold on. You were Sanders. Realize that.

Hang your hat on that. All else fails. Go back. Who am I? What am I? How did I become this? Where did I come from? Hey, boy, that was a good one now, boy.

When opportunity presents itself, Brumbuller's... An opportunity to not. Oh, yeah, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock. Man, who did that knock on my door? What you want? That was the opportunity. Knock it. And you complaining about the noise.

Hmm. Oh, that's tough. Hey, that's like a battle rap bar right there. Mm-hmm. I'm going to use that. I'm going to use that. Yeah. so long. This thing is ancient.

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