Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 2 Part 1: Dillon Gabriel throwing SHADE?! + Giants QB room

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the performances from the Browns and Giants quarterback rooms respectively and many more takeaways from Week 2 of the NFL preseason. 0:00 - Giants QB Room8:15 - Dillon Gabriel sneak dissing Shedeur Sanders?42:00 - Anthony Richardson QB1?!54:07 - Cam Ward preseason take aways   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Head coach Brian Dayball asked if Jackson Dart could take starting job for Russell Wilson. Russell, Russ, is our starting quarterback. We're going to keep developing Jackson. I do see a scenario Jackson Dard starts the season as the number two quarterback. Yeah, absolutely. And James is the number three

because I don't think there is a number four. The fact that they're keeping all three of them is a really good thing because Jackson Dard has... You think they keep all four? You think they keep all three of them? Yeah, absolutely. Do you think the Giants letting James go? Absolutely not.

James is a good veteran. Even if he's not on the field, good locker room present. A good lockering present. Don't fall. How much money is James have guaranteed? Wait, get her iPad. In her shoes.

Hey, shoes. No, that's my charge of, Pompeii. That's my charge of. Okay, yeah, I got her charge. Come on, you don't need to put them on. Two year nine million, right? Two of you. Give his daddy kiss.

Come me. Give me a kiss while we're finished. You keep interrupting. I'm sorry, Chad. No, you go. Say bye, aunt. Say bye. Bye, bye, bye.

Love you. I love you. Love you, too. Papa is a little bit of a girl. All right, okay. Now we can talk. We can talk. You can talk.

We can go. no more interruptions. Oh, Joe, damn. What happened? What, what, what happened? I'm trying to like, I'll be looking at it. Russ is the starter.

Right. You're developing, you're developing Jackson Dart. Last week he started number three. This week he's starting. stars number two. I wouldn't look into that. You're looking too much into it. You're looking too much into it.

I think the ball, they have their mind made up that they're going to allow him to develop and allow him to sit back. Michael Vick, when he played, he sat back. I think rookies not being thrown to the wolves. Some are good at it. No, no, no, no. Russ is a starter.

I believe Russ starts the season. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. No, no, no, no. I'm looking at the situation. I'm looking at the situation with James. Oh, he's not going to where? He's not going nowhere. They're going to keep three quarterbacks.

Jackson Dart will more so, obviously, be developing, and he would be the practice squad quarterback. I don't know. I don't think they throwing young bull out there to the wolves like that as a rookie. No, I'm not saying no. He's not starting. Russ started. Right.

Russ is going to be the day one starter. Right. But if Russ is the day one starter and then you have a rookie as the backup, do you really keep the veteran as the third guy? Absolutely. That's what I'm asking you. Absolutely. Because the third guy that you're keeping is more valuable than just being on the

guy, excuse me, than just being on the field. He adds more value outside of just being on the field as the starting quarterback. You don't let a locker room presence like that go. You just don't. They do it all the time. But there's only one James Winston. No. I know.

It's only one. And they let him go in New Orleans when he's more than that. They let him go in Cleveland when he was more than that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's not like it used to be, Ocho, because the salaries are exploding so much. Right. And you used to be able to keep a veteran guy. Right.

Because the numbers were low. The numbers were low. They were favorable. They were favorable. Yes. Yes. I got you. I got you.

You're right. But it's going to be very interesting. But I've been very, very impressed with Jackson Dart through the first two weeks. Justin Fields and the passing offense were out of sync today. Fields completed his first throw, then finished with five straight incompletions in two series. Fields went over three when targeting wide out,

Garrett Wilson, his old buddy from Ohio State. The lack of a legit wire receiver number, two to compliment Wilson is one of the reasons why they're not clicking. I don't know why they didn't go get another receiver, O'Jell. Wait,

who's the number two in New York? Alan Lazzard, has he hurt? Chad, who's the number two in New York? Wait, matter of fact, you got Breast Hall and What's Alan first name? God, what's Alan first name? Maybe Derek Henry.

Brain on it. Josh Reynolds and Alan Lazard. Josh Reynolds and Alan Lazard. You remember Josh Reynolds? He was played with the Rams. He was in Detroit. Okay. okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I mean, I like it.

But you know what, Ocho, when you that dog, and they gave you $30 million, damn what's on the other side. Yeah. Go get open. Yeah. They play you $30 million. When you're the number one, you get no excuses. They are none, no. No. Now when they pay you that kind of money, no. You're number one for a reason. Number one, because two, three, and four can't do what you can do. Right. I don't think that, I don't, I don't think, was getting open the issue.

It wasn't the issue. It was just the past, it might have been. Well, I saw two routes. He ran a stop route. The guy was right there. I think he ran another route. The guy was, you know. See?

That's why I don't like them damn joint practices. Stuff like that. You don't see it all week. You know what's coming. Formation recognition, knowing the count, knowing where I'm lining up, understand I'm a split, and you know what's coming, so you're going to sit there and cheat. I don't like that.

I don't like that. Because Garrett Wilson is a route runner. I don't know if you paid attention to him. Yeah. He's a route runner. So, I mean, I think they're going to be all right. It's a little too soon to panic, you know, whatever. Justin Fields is finally getting his turn.

He doesn't have to look over his shoulder. This is your team. This is your team. You have a head coach that is going to do right by you. You got to make the most of this opportunity. And, I mean, it's preseason. You want to get all your mistakes out right now. So the game you have to stay, you don't want.

You can't repeat these. Right. You got to fix it now because he's in year what? It's this year four. Just the fields? Yeah. Oh, two, two years, three, you had a year four. Yeah.

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We got to get back to Dylan Brooks, Dylan Brooks, Dylan Gabriel. He completed eight of his first nine passes, through a pick six, bad decision, but we later created with a fumble on a botched handoff. After the game, he made some very, very interesting comments. He said, there are entertainers and they're competitors. And my job is to compete. He tried to clarify later at the pressors saying he meant the media are the entertainers and a competitor, and he's a competitor.

And he wasn't taking a shot at the door, but the damage was done. Everybody knows what he meant because you know why? I'm going to let you take off. You remember at Oregon, what the head coach said when they played Colorado? Right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who was the quarterback? Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

All right, go ahead, Ocho, go here. Well, listen, I don't, I don't, hey, Chad, I don't want to do him like that. I'm, I'm going to give Dylan Gabriel a little grace, a little understanding because I don't think a college kid coming in as a rookie in the NFL would take that kind of shot at a teammate that he's competing with for a job. I just don't see, I don't see it. I see it as him when he says, entertainers in that aspect where he said is the media. I'm not sure how he views the media

as the entertainers, but the way the media stirs the pot and creates the ruckus, and all he does is compete. I see, I see it from that sense. I don't see him as, I'm not even sure if he's that type of person, that type of, type of individual to even have that kind of savvy to say something like that publicly as brash in that moment. So I'm going to give him a little grace. I think Dylan Gabriel actually played well. He played well. You know, what he did, those first few drives driving, driving the team down the field. He made some really good throws.

He was poised in the pocket. He had commanded the offense. Obviously, the pick six, for one, he has to see that. There are two people. Somebody ran the wrong route. Two people in the same place never happens. They always have to be spacing on all concepts when it comes to running routes. So as a quarterback, you have to see that.

All right, there are two players in the wrong place. don't make a bad play even worse by even throwing the ball. You should just chuck that out of bounds because you're already outside the pocket anyway, new down. So I think he's going to be fine, getting those reps in.

And it's all about making plays at the quarter acquisition, but how consistent can you bleed? And so sometimes there's a chance you can make something out of nothing and then sometimes you can't. And I thought he played okay. You play really well.

I disagree with you. I think he was taking a shot at Shador. You think so? When have we ever thought about the media, those beat riders as entertainers? We've heard his coach, he was on the team when they're celebs. Wait, but you can't, you can't tie him and his coach together as if they have the same mind as if they're won. Name the time you've ever heard someone say, there are entertainers and there are competitors

and I'm here to compete. Tell me the time. Right. Okay, listen, let's say he's taking a shot at your door, right? At what point has he been entertainer? He's a football player as well. But we've heard people say that's what he's more interested in doing. And what?

I'm just curious. Okay, tell me what you're curious about. Well, you said he's more interested in entertaining. I'm doing quarterback. I'm not saying he is. I'm saying that's what people have said about Chador, about entertaining, about the antics. Right, right. Okay, I see if you're going.

I see if you're going. Plus, we've heard this before. And sometimes it seeps out when you've been around people. and they perceive other people as that. If you're not careful, you'll repeat what you've heard someone say about someone. Okay, I see you going with it. Okay, okay, okay.

He didn't have to say that. He didn't, all he says, look, I'm here to compete. Whatever happens, happened. It doesn't matter if I'm first team, second team, third team, or fourth team. My job is to compete. Why did he have to throw the entertainer aspect in of it? All right. Everybody's entertainer.

That's what football is. Entertainment. Everybody is entertainers. Right. yeah you're right you're right it's an entertainment sport he might have been taking a shot at me shit nah no I know but he can't compete with you

he can't compete with you I disagree Chad I don't know what you guys think but I think he was trying to take a solo shot because if he wasn't why are you trying to clear it up why are you trying to clarify oh because obviously once you say something like that it ruffles all the feathers and then it comes back why you ruffling feathers old show it ain't

Nothing. You're telling me in the chat is nothing. Right. His choice of words. His choice of words, it ruffle feather because that's probably not what he actually meant. I honestly think it was an honest mistake because he's not, let me stay with me real quick. Let me say something real quick. He is not media savvy with the mic in front of him like a Tom Brady. He's not media savvy like a quarterback? He's not. A quarterback at the University of Oregon? No. No. He just not. Because if he was, he wouldn't have said what he said. There's a way you go about doing things and he hasn't learned to yet.

He's not savvy like that yet. Sometimes you get caught up in the moment. You play it well. It's the middle of the game. Ocho, you got to realize now you're right there in that moment. Sometimes when emotion is high, logic is low. And you feeling good as, hey, they're entertainers and I'm a competitor and competitors and I'm here to compete.

Oh, he's like, oh. If he, if it meant nothing by that, nobody would have said anything about it. Nobody would have thought would not even would not even bat it or not. But they took it.

Most people took it. I believe the way he intended it. That he's not, he's not fancy, he's not entertaining. He's a competitor. I don't know what he thinks you're doing. It's there to do.

I believe two things. They're not mutually exclusive. Floyd Mayweather was an entertainer. Yes. But he was a competitor. Yeah. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, they're entertainers, but they're competitors, Steph Curry, all that dancing and turning

around, he's shooting shot and he only looked at it before it goes in. That's entertainment, but he's a damn fierce competitor. Yes, yes, yes. So to try to make those two things mutual exclusive is just not true. I believe you can do both of them, but I believe he took it. Me, I couldn't be wrong, and if I'm wrong, I apologize, but I believe he took a sort of shot at your door. I do. I don't, I'm, and honestly, you want me to take it to you? truth, and I mean no respect to Dylan Gabriel, I don't even think he has the balls to be able to say something like that out the blue. That's how I know. I mean, he doesn't carry himself like that, especially coming out of college. If he was that type of player, if he showed that kind

of, like if it was, think about this, think about Johnny Mansell in college, right? Yes. Think about Baker Mayfield in college, right? Now, if it was one of them that said something like that, I'd be like, yeah, he's definitely taking a shot at your door. But he's never shown any signed to being as brand. When has he ever been in competition? Huh? When has he ever been in competition? He wasn't going to beat Justin Herbert out, so he wasn't in competition.

When was the last time Dylan Gabriel was in a quarterback competition? Hmm. Yeah, go ahead and sip your tea, coffee, whatever that is, latte, latte, let's me a little latte. Yeah, go ahead and sip that. So now, and now, back to our originally scheduled programming, when was the last time Dylan Gabriel was in a quarterback competition? exactly yeah you right because think about it how many yards has he passed for do you know how many you know how long you got to be in college to pass for the amount of yards that he's passed for

right Justin Herbert's been in the league how long because didn't he take off with Justin Herbert in 2020 so Dylan Gabriel has been in the league been he's been the starting quarterback since what 21 no he came from Oklahoma didn't gave him from Oklahoma? He transferred from Oklahoma. So he's been, yeah, he was in, if he transferred from Oklahoma, are you telling me he ran from competition? No, he ran to the money. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. One, two? Oh, so he started at UCF. Oh, he started at UCF for three years. He was two years of Oklahoma, and then he spent one year at, uh, at, uh, at Oregon. Ah, okay.

okay, okay, okay. Okay, that's Bo Nix. That was Bo Nix. I apologize. That was Bo Nix that was there when the coach, remember when they played C.U. Ocho? Yeah. And the quarterback, he's, what did he say? Instagram, someone trying to get followers. They tried to get clicks and followers. And we're trying to win football games. Oh, oh, that's right. That was the Oregon coach. I remember that. That was an Oregon coach. I apologize. That wasn't Dylan Gabriel. That was Bo Nix. That was his quarterback at the time when he said that. Ah, see, okay, okay, okay, okay. But you got to, but again, for me,

when was the last time Dylan, Dylan Gabriel was in a quarterback competition? He was three years that, he was three years at UCF. He was two years at Oklahoma and one year. And what you're, so six years, so in six years of college football. Six years? Yeah, three years at UCF, two years of Oklahoma, one year at, uh, all the goddamn time. Man, them guys, we got, getting seven and eight years.

you see the guy 32 what a COVID year so it gave everybody an extra year if you wanted it. Understandable. But listen, listen. What the chat said? The chat believed he took a shot

or no? Let me look in the chat. I ain't even open my phone. Hold on. I'm curious to see what the chat would say, what the chat would think. They are saying the chat is saying

I believe he throwing shade I thought football was a brotherhood I never seen him do that don't need it he lost his job at OU he got hurt at you oh shoot well I

it looks like it's like a mix it's a mix on how everybody feel Go ahead. You want something? Go ahead. We're placing the poll up. I just think the thing here was, look, and I think the thing is because,

Ocho, what it is, normally we don't get this. We don't normally be interviewing. Right. Especially if you're playing during the course of a game. Yeah, it's different now. Normally they get you, they get you, you know, in the preseason game, if you're not playing, they'll get you,

hey, we get a few words, yeah, but it's excited, you know, got some work in, knocked some of the dust or rust off, and now it's time for the younger guys and other guys to get an opportunity to show what they can do. I'm sure the coaches are excited about that. Hopefully everybody came out, injury-free.

We'll see after the game, so forth and so on. But, hell, everybody out there to compete. I mean, you do realize, like, in pro sports, it's all about, hey, it's all about competition, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, most definitely. You competing in your locker room or you competing against the other locker room, but you're always in competition. Yeah. Hey, listen, every week. Yes.

Every day. Every day. You know, I think he understands it. That's why I said, I'm giving him grace. And I think you're giving him too much credit. You're giving him too much credit. For those of the people that think he was actually taking a shot at Shador, I think we'd give him too much credit to think he would come out

and do something like that publicly. Or to even slip up or even, you know, I just don't think that's him. Oh, 88% said it was a shot. 12% said it was not. Oh, shoot. Well, maybe y'all see it. maybe y'all see it different because I wouldn't paid it like that honestly you know I mean I mean if you're going to say something you know if if there if there's no address on it it don't have no destination if there's no address on it it doesn't have a destination so I'm not I'm not throwing no hints and doing no riddles it's saying you know Dr. Seuss or cat in the hat. How about this here?

Come on talk to me. Coming out how many front office people you? You think said exactly what Dylan Gabriel said. He's more into entertainment and doing all this and all those antics than competing. Okay. Listen, I'm picking up what you're putting down now. Now you're making a little sense to me.

I'm putting down. I don't like that because I don't like that because that's a part of the game. Right. It's always been a part of the game. Right. It's never been a part of the game at that Pacific position, though. Correct.

Bego, at that position, my position is frowned upon. They normally buttoned up. Always, always, because when you pick that position and you pay them the kind of money you pay them, not only you're representing the shield, you represent the team and the organization as well. You are the face of a franchise. Yes. Decade more.

Right. So I understand. I'm with you now. I'm with you. I'm with you. You look at his dad. he was the ultimate entertainer yes

but was one of the most one of the fiercest competitors he believed that you know what prime time that's what you paid to see you paid me to see all the antics that

you know hey get it up you know he dancing before they put him or kick the ball to him he got the ball up behind he got his hand behind his head I got to entertain y'all it ain't it ain't good enough for me to just get a pick it ain't good enough for just

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not enough. You can get anybody can do that. I want to be outgoing. I want to be braggadocious. I want you to know who and what I am. Talk to me, now. That sounds familiar, don't it?

Yeah. The stats, week one, should do it was 14 to 23, 157, two touchdowns. Dylan Gabriel was 13 of 18, 144, with, total yards, total yards, okay, 157 total yards, 144 for Gabriel. Shadour had two touchdowns, no turnovers, and Dylan Gabriel had no touchdowns and two turnovers.

He had a pig and a fumble. Look, I thought he played, like you said, I thought he played a good game with the exception of the turnover, that bad interception. In the beginning. But you know the thing I noticed? Talk to me.

The first thing I said, I see, damn he tiny. Oh, yeah, he's small. He's small. I'm like, oh, my goodness. Like, maybe Baker height? No, hell, no. He wish you, man, bad, huh?

They listed him at 5-11. So then, 5-10 on the quota. It would be like Bryce Young then, too. Bryce Young is. Yes. Yeah, yeah, he's about the same. So obviously, the fansky, and the way that they would run a completely different offense

if they had Dylan Gabriel starting, as opposed to Chador. Yeah, you got to roll him out because he's small. You need to put him outside so he can see, he can see clean pocket. Yes. You got to roll the pocket. You got to roll the pocket.

Or, boom, have him in the goddamn gun all the time. Yeah. One of the other. But if Baker Mayfield could be successful doing it, obviously, of the weaponry around him, I mean, too, he should be able to succeed as well. Yeah. A Baker, man, I don't think people give Baker enough credit. Baker is a really good throw of the football. You don't win the Heisman trophy like he did.

get that team to the college football playoff. And now that he's in a system and now he's with coaches that allows him to be Baker, he's been to Pro Bowls. Baker is a better throw of the football than I think we give him credit for or we gave him credit for, especially now that he's in a system and he's with coaches that believe in him and will allow him to be himself. We'll see. Look, Dylan Gabriel did throw for a ton of yards.

not take that away from over 16,000 yards. I mean, hell, he played six years. So he, I mean, damn, I'm like you, Ocho, like, damn, six years. Yeah, I, I, I, I, yeah. So how old is he? If he played six years, he got to be like 24 already? I didn't know that was possible.

No, oh, yeah, no, they got, he's 24, Ocho. I was, I was 21. I turned 22 after I got drafted. Uh-huh. So he already, I mean, so. hell he's Bryce Young age He might be older than Bryce

Yeah he might He's Bryce Young age He's got to be Bryce Young's age Hmm Damn Hey that's that's funny That's funny Like I'm

I'm baffled I'm appalled Hold on let me let me see what you baffled Are you baffled that he played six years And he's 24 Or you baffle that the chat believes, along with, that I believe that he was taking, he was throwing shade

or taking a shot at your door. Yeah, and she was both. All of the above or some of the above? Listen, all of the above. Because honestly, I think y'all, y'all, y'all giving them a motherfucker. Dog it. Y'all giving somebody too much credit. You give him too much credit. Too much credit. To say, I'm going to be brash enough

to sit and talk about someone that is on my team and take a shot and not in it. And then, no, that's giving him too much credit as if he's a mastermind and, and our media savvy and knowing how that's the point. He didn't think about it.

He didn't think clearly enough. Sometimes, sometimes we have to be careful of what we say around others because guess what? We get on here or we get on TV and then something that we're talking about in the barbershop

or we're talking about it it'll come out. Because sometimes you forget where you are. Yeah. Yeah. I think, listen, young bull he played well. He played good.

He played outside of the internet. interception for six and the fumble in which it wasn't his fault on the fumble because the guy I'm looking at the replay. I'm trying to figure why the running back ain't got a goddamn, man, open your arm. What is you doing? And he's looking straight ahead instead of, you know, come on, man, tighten up, man. But outside of that, listen, hey, who they play next week? Who do Browns play? It's the last game. Oh, man, who you tell you? You ain't got to tell me twice. I heard you before. And they normally play on, they're probably going to play on Thursday, right?

They play Saturday. Play Saturday against the Rams. Hey, man, listen. All hands on deck. All hands on deck. I'm not sure what they're going to do. I'm not sure what they're going to do.

I'm excited. I'm excited because I love a healthy competition. Oh, yeah, for sure. I love a healthy competition. I don't believe they're keeping all these quarterbacks. I don't, Ocho.

I don't. Well, hey, listen, they're, there, I mean, the Saints, never mind, I ain't going to do that. I ain't going to be rude. I'm not going to be ruled. I'm not going to be rude. Do you believe they're going to keep all these quarterbacks? Honestly, I'm going to be honest with you.

You played the game a very long time. I played the game a very long time. I can't remember a scenario where there were four quarterbacks on the team. Exactly. I can remember every scenario. there was always three. Always three. So if there was an odd man out to me thinking,

ugh. You think it's picket. Yes, if there was going to be one. And that's simply maybe because of the injury right now and not being able to showcase much. You know, and there's no disrespect to Kenny. You know, you had an opportunity at Pittsburgh. Obviously in Philly, there's no way you're going to start

in front of Jamie Hertz. but, I mean, why would they not keep it? Yes, baby. Yeah. I agree. I think. Wait to the food comes for your food, your chicken nuggets. Okay?

Four quarterbacks. New England kept four quarterbacks in 2000, but it's a different time now. Right. Coach Belichick said he was worried that if he released Tom, somebody was going to sign him. Yes. And that's exactly what would have happened. And you would have to sign him to the active roster. They would sign him to the active roster.

So he didn't want to run that risk. So they stash for quarterbacks. But I agree with you in this situation, the way it's currently constructed, I don't see a scenario where you keep four active quarterbacks. Now, you might have two quarterbacks and one of the practice squad guy. And then, for the sake of argument, somebody get Nick, you might bring him up, you might elevate him. Yeah.

But to have four active quarterbacks. And that means you're going to probably have to go without a wide receiver or a swing offensive lineman or a rotational defensive lineman or a quarterback and those guys are guys that can play special teams. Those are the guys that can play

the punt, punt return, kick return. Your quarterback's not doing that. Right. And so basically, if you keep that many positions, he can only, he's only play in one position where the other guys that I mentioned, the other positions, can play two

positions. Yeah. So normally you're a guy that can play the guard, he can play to tackle, if need beat. He can play the D tackle, he can play the D tackle, he can play the D-N, but he can also be on field goal, field-go block, things of that nature. What hell? Hold on. We talk about, we don't know

who they're going to take. Hell, let's play God damn devil's advocate then. Let's play devil's advocate. Has him already said what he got to say. Andrew Barry knows that he's a genius in being able to get, she'll do her in the fifth round. Yeah.

You Safansky. Who you won't? Whoever Haslam won't. Ooh. Damn. You for real? Yeah. Wait.

As a head coach, as a head coach, you're going to choose just because of whatever personal vendetta Hazel may have to say some of the things he said, you're going to put your job in a line for somebody you know isn't better than the person that he doesn't want? If that man said, let me ask you a question.

Did you ever get a physical copy of your check or was your money always directed positive? Direct deposit, but I got the, I went upstairs and always got the food. I tell you what, when you went to OTAs and you got those, with those deposited, because last I checked, when I got my check, it always said the Denver Broncos Football Club.

Right. And that thing to the left, it said, Pat D. Bowling. Okay. That thing said the Cleveland Browns Football Club. Right. Jimmy, probably Jimmy and Dee Haslam. Now, you want to ask me that again, which one do I want? I got you.

Okay. I got you. I got you. Okay. The fact that I sat here and forgot, the person that said what he said in the position the power that they were in, my bad. You're right. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But again, maybe that's the problem. You know, can I ask you a question? Yeah. Use my lack of knowledge and knowing Mr. hasn't like that. How long has he been?

He brought it from the learners. I think he brought it from a, um, he's been there probably, what, 15 years, Ash? I think he's on the Browns for about 15 years. He's only for a minute. Okay. So he's been there 15 years? at least at bare minimum 15 years later they're still looking for a what cubie okay but we're

supposed to take it okay don't worry about it you're right 13 years you right so he's been there since 2012 okay from the learner family right yeah but we're supposed to take his work okay well oh joe i mean uh in the lemony snicket series a series of unfortunate events happened you know They thought they had their quarterback. I went to the movie with Jim Carrey. My daughter, my daughter, my daughter, she's read it. She read the whole series. That's what she got for Christmas one year.

They thought they had their quarterback, but it was a series of unfortunate events that, you know, shoulder, Achilles, and things of that nature. But it's not easy. It's not easy finding a quarterback. Actually, it might be the hard. thing to do in professional sports? It is. It is. I think, you know what? Can I, can I say something real quick?

Go ahead. Can I say something real quick? I'm going to give you the three hardest things in life to do. And chat, y'all write this down too, chat. I'm going to give y'all two seconds to grab a pen. The three hardest things in life to do. Number one is the NFL team finding a quarterback that can be a franchise quarterback for 10 years or more. Okay, that's one. Number two, trying to hit a baseball

coming at you 95 miles an hour on a consistent basis. That's two. Okay. Three, try keeping a woman happy long term outside of the honeymoon phase. I knew you were going to say that last one.

Hey, listen, they're the three hardest things doing life. Now you got some, you got some, some couples, you know, they'd be 15, oh, we've been doing this 15, 17 years. Yeah, yeah, pretending. You ain't fooling me. You smile, pretending. Behind closed doors, your organ, I can't stand you. Don't get me started.

Listen, uncle, I sat next to a married couple today. They've been married 32 years. So I was nosy. You had to ask them how have y'all been together that long? I had to be nosy. I say, well, out of the 32 years you've been married, how many of those years have y'all been happy? You want to know how many years of those,

how many those years she'd been happy? Are they been happy together? How many? The first three. I don't think any couple can say they've been happy. They're days. If a couple tell you they've been married, years, 15 years, 20 years, that they've been happy all the year? No, there are days.

Now, there are more days that I'm happy than I'm sad or disappointed. I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, they got in depth. I just don't have that kind of time, but I don't want to switch top. To be on football. I was just using that analogy. Right. Just bringing in context to it. Yes. A couple, 30. And he said, the husband said to me and the wife, they were, they were in agreeance. And I was enjoying. It was like I was their therapist. And I said, they said the honeymoon phase lasted for three years. in the marriage and after that we have just been

I forgot the word she used she used the word when you just gosh I forgot what she used working cohabitating yeah cohabit that's the word we're just cohabitating and I don't want to start over and I refuse

to deal with anyone else so we and it's lasted 32 years I'm like well god well god damn well congratulations to y'all but could I tell you what I got from that what? I don't care because I'm getting married anyway. I think the thing is, Ocho, and you say this a lot, I mean, you see a lot of couples do this.

The kids get out, the kids get out of high school, the kids graduate college, what they do? They split. They go to separate ways. Oh. Because sometimes, because sometimes they look at it like, well, we ain't really got anything else to be together for it. Now the kid's grown.

But you think people stay together? You think people stay together? Yeah, for sure, absolutely, absolutely. Yes, yes. Yeah. What? Uh-huh. Hey, you're not talking, not our people.

You're talking about the other side. Sometimes our people even stay together, you know what I'm saying? Yes, people stay together for kids. Yeah. Hey. Sometimes, sometimes it's easier to stay together because, you know, you can pool your money together. It's going to be much harder apart. You see this a lot in the professional settings.

Right. what what women will tolerate in a professional setting when the money's good oh yeah yeah hey oh listen come on the the the longer the money that no no wait wait hey baby you're doing hold on i'll unplug it up for you hold on she don't unplug my turn my lights off the longer the long of the money the longer the leash it's always been that way and if and if and if you depending on how serious it is the longer the longer the way the longer the with you and if you happen to marry him and then they're no no you're good don't you're crying for oh my goodness no you're good you're good i'm gonna plug it up the long you're with them and they're

ready to leave as long as they're taking something with them they're taking something with them they're not leaving without it not without that lifestyle yeah i mean you know haggle it's the game it's always been the game you got to learn how to play it man that's all come on You want to charge it? So, all right, come on. Shador, week one, 14 to 23, he had 157 total yards, two touchdowns, zero interceptions. Dillon Gabriel, week two, 13 of 18, 144 total yards, zero for two, zero touchdowns, two turn over the pick six. Yeah.

And a fumble that was credited to him. So, and after the game, Stefanski would, like, he refused to, like, you know, I'm not doing this evaluation. Well, who played this or who did better than that? We'll go back, we'll look at the film, and we'll do our proper evaluation. And we'll, you know, it'll be interesting to see, chat. When they hit the field on Monday or Tuesday, when they're back at a regular practice, what is the, what is the sequence? One, two, three, four.

What's the slot? Where are they slotted? Where are the quarterback slotted? Maybe that tells us something. Maybe that tells us nothing. We don't know. who starts uh

week three uh how much playing time do they get does he get in week three uh it's going to be it's going to be very very interesting to see um their eval um their evaluation from week one to week two uh

I'm sure there are some things both guys did extremely really well uh some things they would like to have back I'm sure the coaches, you know, give them a rundown of what they would like to have seen them do what they'd like to see them do better. But overall, I think both guys played extremely well and should feel proud of the performance that they gave. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited to see what happens. I wouldn't want to be, I wouldn't want to be Brown's personnel. I wouldn't want to be Tafansky. Because, listen, depending on who they pick and who they choose, the backlash that they're going to get, it's going to be crazy. Right. It's going to, it's not crazy.

I'm not sure Sirfansky has any control over the final 53. Well, honestly, if he did. How is the head coach not going to have control over who he's going to put out there on the field? He's the one guy to coach him. Easy. You think you think Ryan Schottenheimer had control over the final 53 in Dallas? What? You think McCarthy got?

That's a different circus. That's a different circus. I think, I think, I think, are we trying to win? Are we trying to win? Is it a difference? You have to, like, come in with, you have to be Andy Reed to get that. Oh, okay.

Tomlin, you've got to put some years, unless you're, like, highly salt after. Right. Now, yeah, uh, Sean McVeigh. Yes. Kyle Shanahan. Yeah, for sure.

You're naming all the coaches. They're allowed to pick the players they want because they're successful. do you know why they're successful because of the players that they have they're successful because ownership let them stay out of their business okay I got you I got

go go go that's your food that's your food Jim Harbaugh right oh yeah he's another one they're consistent winners no matter where they're he came so salt after so you have to give up something

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to get him to leave besides money. And so it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this thing shapes up for the Cleveland Browns. Ocho, Anthony Richardson Sr. saw his most extensive preseason action yet after sustaining a dislocated finger in week one against the Ravens,

Richardson completed six of 11 passes for 73 yards, but his numbers were undermined by penalties. He started 5 or 6 for 64 yards, leading a 90-yard touchdown drive with Chris passes. Offensive penalties derailed the next two possessions, including negating a 38-yard

completion. Daniel Jones started the game, started the game and led a field go drive, completing 7 of 11, 4101 yards. Colts head coach, Shane Steichen, strongly suggested after the game that a decision is imminent in his team's month-long

quarterback battle. I've seen, obviously, three weeks of it, so I like to have a decision here shortly. I'm very close. I'll say that. I'm very, very close. Ocho? Who's week one starter? I mean, honestly, the way it's looking, you know, it's Daniel Jones.

It's Daniel Jones. I think even if Anthony Richardson's finger hadn't gotten hurt, I think that's what they wanted to go with all along anyway. I think there have been issues there with him the first two years. Obviously, they haven't seen the improvement necessary, especially with year three, always being the make or break year. Yes. No, any improvement.

I'm assuming so, especially with the, the way that the coach is talking. I don't like it. Then you signed Daniel Jones one year, 14 million that much one year. They definitely were going in the other direction in regards to what Anthony Richard would have done in camp or would he would have done in the game. Like how much better are you going to be from the first two years coming into the third? Yeah, I agree with you.

There's only so much work. I mean, it's not going to be a miracle. You look a certain way. year one you look a certain way year two and then all of a sudden year three you're going to come back and just be oh my goodness yeah but that's what they were expecting they were expected they were expecting uh a monumental jump because ocho you in your third year in the system right okay okay understandable and he got hit in the face with a bliss that he should have got hit in the place with as a rookie not as a third year event okay right and so look like a

I said, oh, you know, we're not there. Chad, if I was there, if I was there and observe in practice, I'd be able to tell you who I think should be the starting quarterback. But unfortunately, all the thing I can do is based on what we've seen thus far. And look, and I don't think it's like, it's a situation where like, oh, this is,

oh, this is actually stone. I don't think it's one of those situations. But I think it's a situation where, you know, like you said, at some point in time, you're going to have to give one of these guys the majority of the reps, Ocho. You can't keep splitting 50-50. You already know what they're going.

You know the game they're playing. You knew the game they were playing when they bought Daniel Jones in for that amount of money. For that amount of money on a one-year deal. I already knew the game they were playing. What, baby?

Papa. What Papa? Okay, okay, I'm going to call Papa for you. She was... So you got Daniel Jones. This is interesting. Chat, y'all think it's going to be Daniel Jones? Do y'all think it's going to be Anthony Richardson, Senior?

It's not like either one of the guys just blowing you away. I mean... Wait, she... Were you... You upstairs? Yeah, yeah. She's, uh... All right, I'm going to just come...

Come to 14-7. 14, 1417. Pulling it up. All right. Let's see. All right. Papa coming to get you. Because you're not letting Daddy work.

Daddy working. Oh, I did. You want to see Daddy that much it began with. So I don't care about you working. No, that's what I think about you working. Who did, Oh, here it is. Oh, by coming, okay?

They played the, they played the Packers today. Hey, you, were you able to watch all the games? No. Yeah, they need,

they need to put the games on one channel. Well, first of all, first of all, you know it's the preseason. So basically you're going to get only the, only you'll be able to watch the local game.

Right. So, but I guess, you know, they got it, they're going to have it fixed where you'll be able to, uh, once you play, pay all that money. It's going to cost you by $2,000 to watch all the games. That much? You know, yeah, you got to get every streaming service? Hmm.

My, everything is on one service now. Right? Oh, am I tripping? I thought that was the whole point. You trippy. You trippy. Oh, man. I'm excited, boy.

So Daniel Jones started the game, huh? Or Anthony Richardson started the game? I think Daniel Jones did start. Hey. It was 7 of 11 for 101 yards. Andrewsichens was 6 of 11 for 73 yards. I think that's Riley. entered seven or 12 for 64 yards.

Dave Jones started. He started, okay, he started game two. Anthony Richardson started game one. Okay, okay. So they went back and forward to make sure each person got the opportunity. And he says, yeah, I think, he says, I've seen obviously three weeks of it. so I like to have a decision here shortly

and I'm very close I'll say that I'm very close I think he's seen enough damn I think he's all I think he has his mind made up that who he wants to start I'm leaning towards you

why bring a guy in to make $14 million into having to be the backup yeah totally totally it's not like Danny Jones had his pick of choices where you go I mean not for that

kind of money. No, absolutely not. But that that lets you know how in dire need of a quarterback that the Colts were. Yes. You saw you, you saw what you saw. You saw what you saw in New York and say, you know what? We're going to bring you in to compete because we don't think our quarterback going into year three has figured it out just yet. But hell, you didn't figure it out when you're in New York, but we think you're going to come here and all of a sudden something's supposed to change. so two wrongs don't make it right two folds I think they really want

because they bring a quarterback in for a million let's just say for the sake of argument they'll bring a backup in and they're going to pay him $4 million you're not going to take that serious man I ain't going on no bench for no guy making $14 for $4 million you bring a guy in making $14

now you know they're serious 14 ain't sitting on a bench I can tell you that 14 is not sitting on a bench They're talking about quarterback controversy. They talk about quarterback battle. There is no quarterback battle if the quarterback coming from another team makes that kind of money on a one-year deal.

He probably makes it more than Anthony Richardson this year. What's Anthony Richardson-based salary this year? He's only in his third year. Uncle, it's not that much? Yeah, because he got a, his contract is fully guaranteed, but he got probably the most of his money in the signing bonus. So he probably got $25 million in the signing bonus, oh, Chuck. So Anthony Richardson probably probably wasn't.

Make it what? $8 million this year? It's $3.4 million. Right. $4 million? Yeah. $3.8. So one guy making $3.8 million.

The other guy making $14 million. Do you think they're going to put the guy that's making $14 million on the bench? No. You know what? You know what I don't like, though? Hold on. Is his money guaranteed?

Did they guarantee his money? No, Jones. Yo, you know, Anthony Richardson got $34 million guaranteed. His money guaranteed. He got $22 million of signs, so he's going to get that final 12. You know what?

I'm mad because Anthony Richardson is supposed to be like Josh Allen. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me get this out. Go ahead. Anthony Richardson is supposed to be like Josh Allen. Anthony Richardson is supposed to be like, Our new version of Cam Newton. Yes.

Like, that's the kind of potential in, like, I don't know at what point, what went wrong or what's happened, if he's not focused, if he's not locked in. After this year, after this year, Anthony Richardson is supposed to be going to the table for one of those $250, $300 million deals. Yes, I agree. That is what I saw in him coming out of Florida. based on the eye testing what I'm looking at

all the intangibles does everything right except on the field I was shocked I was shocked that he moved up the draft boards I like but see Ocho

go back and watch the tape right you see you see what happened now you see how some people watch tape and then somebody go by the combine if you look at his car if you didn't know anything about it

and all you did was watch the Combine, you understand. Now, go back and watch his tape at Florida. Hey, well, yeah, you did tell me that. You didn't tell me that. Go back and watch his tape. You didn't tell me that. But if every day...

But those measurable was so hard to pass up, though, Ocho, 6-4, 245, running 4-4, can throw the ball 80 yards. Mm-hmm. Which is what I said with the measurable, you take the measurables, right? The reason that they went up to go grabbing the draft. And if the measurables pulled up with the play on the field, after this year three season, they come in to see you. You're going to tear the house down.

I agree. You're going to tear the house down. I agree. That's how I'm visualizing it, and I can't believe, I don't know at what point. And if you don't get it here, if you get beat out, right? our brother, Daniel Jones. Yeah. Then a day, a day like that, like, and what I'm visualizing, if I was Anthony

Richardson, it's not happening. It's not happening. Well, yeah, they would never, they're not bringing Daniel Jones in. Because I'm going to do, you do everything, you do what you're supposed to do. You're not, you're not the last end in the first out. So that's it, that's sent a bad message there, Ocho. Yeah. I don't know, man.

You think maybe it's focused to somewhere else and not just... Don't start me to lie. I don't know enough of a body. I don't know enough of body. I don't know enough of body. I like young bull, man. I like young bull.

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