Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 3 Part 1: Shedeur Sanders Sabotaged? + Shilo dropped from Bucs

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL stories of the week on Nightcap! The guys react to the latest in the Cleveland Browns QB saga and Shilo Sanders' being waived one day after being ejected for throwing a punch   0:00 - Shedeur Sanders disappointing end to preseason24:23 - Shilo Sanders ejected from Buccaneers' preseason finale38:43 - Sanders waived by Bucs one day after ejection (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ocho, but first, she'll do her final preseason game. He was 3 of 6, 14 yards, 41 yards, lost on five sacks. I know you watched this game, as I did. I want to hear what you have to say first. Well, first of all, listen, George Sanders didn't play bad. Chat, those that follow me on Twitter, you happy?

There it is. He didn't, he didn't play well. He didn't play well. He played bad, huh? Obviously, he stunked up. But let me, let me, let me, let me clarify why he brought up. Officer Men's side. Let me give you a little insight. So he comes in in the third quarter, am I correct, uncle?

The third quarter, about then. Okay, boom. So the players that are playing in the third quarter, excuse me if I'm, excuse me if I'm wrong. You can do your homework. Will those players make the 53-man roster, un? A lot of them will, A lot of them will not make a big man rock.

Exactly. So again, I'm off a quarterback competition. But if you're going to put him in a situation that is not advantageous to him and competing at a high level, boom, let's give him a chance. Let's give him a chance with the play calling. You know you have an offensive line that isn't playing that well. So what do we do? Why not just play the short game so we can get the ball out of his hands very fast

to run a competent, goddamn office? Offense. Purposely running plays that are 10, 12, 15-yard routes knowing damn well the goddamn officer line is not going to be able to hold up is ridiculous. It's clear. I played football for a very long time. I played the NFL at a very high level for a very, very long time. I understand in a situation like that when it comes to the threes and four that you're playing

with that aren't going to be that aren't going to be on the squad and not going to make the team, give your quarterback a chance. Okay, you know what? You know they can't hold up that long? Let's play quick game. Let's play quick game just against your door in a goddamn rhythm. But no, you come out, calling regular officer plays that are very long,

damn near play action if he was under the center, knowing they take a while to develop, knowing good and goddamn well, the O-line and the people you have out there right now are not going to be able to hold up. Outside of that, Shadoo has to be better in understanding that the office line that you're working with right now

is not adequate. Get the ball out your hands. Get the ball that's hand. But he's holding the ball for one reason. He's holding the ball because the goddamn players aren't open. He's waiting for things to develop, which is why he's holding the ball and trying to make something happen

by holding on to it, by scrambling, moving, obviously running out of area, running out of real estate, and being sacked. I'm not sure what game you guys are watching. Again, I state, sure do it, did play bad.

he did but why he played bad is clear as day if you understand the game of football and would he had to work with kevin sophansky not lent you do or come back in the game to finish the two minute drill oh i've never seen that before i've never in my never in my life ever have seen anything like that before what are we doing what are we doing no disrespect to snoop huntley Snoop is probably not going to be on the team. He's probably not going to be on a team. So I'm not sure which you were waiting to look. Snoop was on the team simply because quarterbacks were injured.

So they brought in the extra body. I not allow the players that are competing for a job in this instance, Cedor Sanders, to finish off the two-minute drill. Agreed. What are we doing? Who makes that call? He makes that call. Why?

Because I want the last thing people to see. I want the last thing to be. The last thing for people to remember is the mistakes and the sacks that happen and not give him a chance to redeem himself. Because I think probably what would have to happen. Okay, we can't have to do it coming here and finish this two minute drive and go down and get a touchdown. We don't want that. So we're going to leave him on the sideline. So it leaves a bad taste in those mouths.

So now there's nothing that they can say. There's nothing that they can say because now you've got a small samicize of him playing with people that are probably. I'm not going to be on the team, and thereby on Twitter, I'm going to say, former, man, come on. But, okay, I can't wait to hear your piece. And in chat, for those you who are listening to watch it, I'm not making any excuse for him, he played bad. He played bad.

But I can tell you why he played bad. I mean, if you know the game of football and understand the game of football, understanding those that are in there with him during that time, I'm not going to be on the team. Go ahead, man. I agree with everything you said. he did play bad and you and I

we come out here and we're on we talk four or five nights a week sometimes six nights a week we've gone six straight nights we've gone nine straight days before and what we do we tell it like it is

like my grandma say boy tell it like it TIST is we tell it like it is Shudor did not play well today he played awful everything that you said is true Shudor you know this offensive line is not competent enough to give you protection

and I understand And it says, Ocho, I'm in competition. I saw what Dillon Gabriel did with the guys that's probably going to be on the team. I'm trying to match that. But what happened is that they didn't give him the necessary pieces in order to match this. If you want me to fight, if you want me to win a war, give me the weapons. You can't expect me to win a modern war with muskets and cannons. They use drones now.

They use stuff with precision. pinpoint accuracy so you're expecting me to win a modern game and you're giving me that won't work so Shadour has to do a better job of getting the ball out of his hands

Ocho he has some time it's okay coach hey that ain't my game that's Lamar Jackson that's Josh Allen that's Jalen Hertz that's their game buying time like that

Shadour has in a pocket he can move side to side but he doesn't have that ability, that escapeability like these other quarterbacks, like the poor mentioned, I mentioned. I don't understand why you would let Snoop Huntley take the two-minute. Unless he's going to be one of the four quarterbacks that's going to be on your roster, you give that to your door. I agree with what you said because you said, look,

we've seen guys play bad, be great in a two-minute drill, and you forget they've played bad, entirety of the game. I don't know what's inside Kevin Stefansky head. Maybe he's like, hey, I wanted Snoop, you know, we're going to end up releasing him and, you know,

we wanted him to go, look, Snoop Huntley's been in the league for five years. He started several games for the Ravens when Lamar Jackson would hurt. Hell, he started a postseason game. So this notion that that's you doing him some type of favor, when the man has been in the league

four or five years, he started six, seven games in his career. He started a postseason game. It's just disingenuous. With all that being said, I agree. The offensive line wasn't very good. And the one thing that a coach used to always tell me, he says, son, don't make a bad play worse.

You see your offensive line breakdowns your door? Don't make a bad play worse. Don't run around and lose five. Don't lose 10. He got sack five times, lost 41 yards. Fumble the ball. Come on. You got to be better than that.

And I understand when you're in competition, Ocho, I'm trying to compete. So I'm going to scratch, claw, and do whatever I think is necessary that's going to help me put me in an advantageous situation so I can compete.

So I can win. But I don't get what they did, why they did it. Some things is not, some things is all for without explanation. Some things you and I can't explain, even though we're,

with the 30 plus years between us of NFL experience and the number of Pro Bowls and all pros, both of us are in our team's respective Ring of Fame. Some things we just can't answer because we, is not in Kevin Stefansky's head. We don't, here it is, Ocho. Here's Kevin Stefanski, not letting you do a run to two-minute drill

at the end of the game with the Browns. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Kevin, it was obviously a bit of a rough second, for Sador and the entire Brown's offense, but like, why didn't you keep in for two minutes, Joe? Why did you decide to put the Tyler? Yeah, obviously, we didn't play great as an offense in the second half. That's never on one person. So we can be in, we can be better in a bunch of areas and just felt like we wanted to give Snoop a last draft.

Did, uh, did, uh, did Sador have something wrong with them after the game? Yeah, he's good. He walked up to you after taking his walk down to Pylon and then he walked back up to you on the sidelines before. before Snoop went in and he said something to you you shook your head. I mean, was he trying to get back? He's a competitive kid.

The plan was to go with Snoop there, so, but I wouldn't make any more of it than that. Yeah, he's like, Coach, let me get this last one. Give me an opportunity. Nah, we're going. We're going to take a look at Snoop. They know what they're doing. They know what they're doing.

Listen, a blind man can see that. A blind man can see that. Again, for those you in the chat, I, listen, I'm not taking it for him. I'm going to say it again. And I reiterate it. Shador Sanders played bad. Based on the circumstances in the situation he was put in,

and the weapons around him and the officer line that he had to deal with, that probably won't be on the 53-man roster. That's exactly what you would look like. You could have put Tom Brady out there with that offensive line. he would have looked the exact same way. You're going to put Patrick Mahomes out there with that offensive line in that third quarter in the second half

he would have looked the exact same way. Kevin Stefansky saying we didn't play well in the second half. Well, yeah. I mean, obviously. You didn't call plays well in the second half. This is what Derek Carr had to say. I need to understand why

we don't get to see Shudu or run this too many drill. Wouldn't you want to see your yule? quarterback operate in this situation, get him more reps for the future. I didn't see the whole game, so maybe he already showed enough. Help me understand this. Jerome Aiden rep. So Kevin Stefansky gives Dylan Gabriel easy short throws with max protection, and then give Shadour, Bulljai, plays with an old line that looked like they just ate a gang of

little debits. F you, Browns, trade Shadour. Did you hear the key word? When I, soon as I stated that he played well, and the first thing I said, what you just read he gave Dylan Gabriel short throws to get himself in rhythm to get the ball out of his hands

and then in the second half the play calls were much longer routes that took time to develop and they know good and well that the officer line wouldn't be able to hold it up. The only reason a quarterback holds onto the ball, sometimes it's

coverage sacks, sometimes it's waiting for receivers to get downfield for route to develop. And they know good and well. Like, you know good and well. It wouldn't going to work. You have an NFL quarterback, an experienced quarterback, that's pointing it out exactly what I said.

I didn't even know. I didn't even know. I didn't even know. But I'm just sitting here watching it. I'm like, like, what are we doing? What are we doing as a coach, as a head coach, as a coaching staff? I mean, if it's a quarterback competition, put the players in advantageous situation. and give them a chance to succeed.

It's simple. It's something like you were doing on Sunday. When Joe Flacko goes out there week one against the Cincinnati Bengals, they're going to put him in positions to succeed. Every quarter, every down, it's just the way the game is played.

You play to win the game. I mean, I don't understand. I don't understand. Mike Hill. Mike Hill, I hope you Shadour will eventually end up on a good roster with a coach who wants and believes in him. It's so obvious this league and even the Browns in a sense have been trying to send a message to him since the draft and it's downright disgusting. Like I said, I co-signed. I agree with everything that you said.

The play was not adequate enough and Shadour has to get to a point in time. That's always been his knock. We said this when he was in college. He holds on to the ball too long. you're not going to make every play. The sooner he gets that in his head, the sooner he comes to that realization, the better off he's going to be.

Do not make a bad play worse. Ocho, the worst thing you could do, Ocho, if I run the wrong route, is drop the ball when he throw it to him. Damn, son, at least you can do is catch it. You don't have up to play. You're someplace you're not supposed to beat. son if you if you if you if you if you jump off side son just go just go hey maybe they missed it

but don't make a bad play worse and you block the wrong guy and then you end up holding well damn son should do her just feed your process up yes the offensive line wasn't adequate yes the receivers give him the plays that you gave him against carolina let him get the ball out of his hands, let in a situation like that, you let the, you let the office, you let the receivers help you. You put the ball in their hands and says, okay, son, go get four, five yards out of the catch. As opposed to taking a five-step drop and trying to push the ball down the field. That is my, my synopsis of what I saw. Hopefully now, Joe, hopefully, preseason this is over. We can stop having these conversations. Joe Flacko is the starting quarterback.

Now, we need to stop asking these questions. When are we going to see the door? Because you're not going to see Joe Flacco, something happens to him. If they keep four quarterbacks, it's going to be Joe Flacco. It's going to probably be, I don't know, held away. It looks like Dillon Gabriel might be two now. Kenny Pickett might be three. And you know what also, I'm not saying it scares me, but it worries me.

If they've already made a decision, if their mind is already made up as an organization, as a head coach, has them coming out and saying what he said two weeks ago about the pick not being his and Andrew Berry standing by his side and standing by his pick and for Andrew Barry to have to witness what he saw today, someone that is very intelligent, very intelligent to be in a position of power that he's in and to witness what he witnessed today. I'm thinking also if the decision is already been made to release your door or to cut them in any way, shape, form of fashion, what scares me is, is him going to another team? and will teams be willing to be able to deal with someone with the last name Sanders

that brings the kind of attention to a team that he does and he's not even a starting quarterback? You understand what I'm saying? Because that brings a totally different dynamic to a team where it takes away from whoever the starting quarterback is being Chador now coming in and being on that team. You get what I'm going with it? Now it's that he didn't create, but it just comes. with the Sanders' last name in general. That's a lot of oxygen being taken up out of the room for a guy that's not playing.

That's what you're saying. The Brown's general manager, Andrew Barry, told the NFL network, keeping four quarterbacks, not much of a decision. We have a room that we like and all the guys in there. We don't really see that as a problem. We more see it as an opportunity. Ocho, my thing is, why are you keeping four quarterbacks when clearly, one of the quarterbacks you don't actually believe in.

I know, I know Andrew Barry and Mr. Hassam. I know they'd be going at it, boy. Because it's not like there's sentimentality. Sometimes, Ocho, we hold on the things that have sentimental value to us. Oh, man, Ocho, I had this thing so long, I just can't let it go.

You know, but, but when there's no sentimentality to it, there's no attachment to it. You just drafted the guy. You drafted the guy in the fifth round. Why are you holding on to it? If you believe he was that good, you would have given him a better opportunity to show you what he can do.

From what I could deduce and from what I read, I've never read anything or saw anything that Shadour Sanders took reps with the ones or the twos except when Gabriel got hurt and then he took that they were playing that Friday and he took reps to that Wednesday. Other than that, excuse me, prior to that, there was not a situation where I read what Mary Kay Cabin was writing

and I read what others had written that I saw that Shador Sanders had taken refs with the ones and twos. So if he's not taking ones and two, and you would think after what he did in the Carolina game, that's normally what happens, Chad. I'm telling you what normally happens. When a guy, if he's down on the depth chart and he plays good in a preseason game, they normally come in and that practice back,

he's like, I want to see what the guy. I can do with the ones and the twos. No matter the position, be it quarterback, running back, wide receiver, O line, D line, linebacker, cornerback. I'm telling you, that's normally how it works. You're talking to a guy that was in a very similar situation

and y'all say, well, you always inserting yourself. I'm inserting myself because I'm telling you, I was in a situation like Chodor. He was a fifth rounder. I was like sixth and seventh rounder. I was like six and seventh on the depth chart. So I played good in the preseason game, well, Joe. Guess what? Next thing

I know, at the time I was 81 sharp, Coop, Coop with the backup quarterback, and you called me Greasy, say, Greasy. They put you with the ones and the twos today. So, hey, make sure you're ready. You need to know anything. Ask me, I don't know why. But Seven and Coob always took a liking to me.

They always took a liking to me. Coop would come into the game and practice, Ocho. He's like, Greasy. You know what you got? I said, nah, not really. He said, you got X, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I'm telling you.

Just like this. He said, Greasy, look, it's going to be covered two. Take the hole. Greasy, it's going to be single house safety. Run to seven. It's going to be this. Hook it up. 15 yards, hook it up.

Show me a letter. I'm going to get you the ball. Hey, let's go, hey, let's go make some money today. He was always like that in my ear. So it gave me confidence that, damn, this man, he don't, hey, I'm a rookie. and he's helping me. He's working with me. Hey, seven with the exact same way.

But once I played good in the game with him, guess what? Now I come back on Monday, Ocho. I'm with the twos. I didn't get into the fourth quarter. Because they want to see what you can do with the starters. Okay, if he did this with some backups, let's see if we put it with the one and twos.

Let's see if he can do that again. Maybe it was because he's going against guys that's not going to be there. But let's see if he can compete against guys that we know are going to be there on Sunday. So this is a very similar situation which you would have thought,

you would have thought, because we had this conversation, Ocho, he going to get some ref, that one of the dudes to show. So we thought based on our experience and what happens when you play well. But listen, outside of that, Joe Flacco,

that boy looked good. He looked good. Dylan Gabriel came in. God damn, Dylan Gabriel looked good. Very efficient. Pass is coming out, everything's sharp, went down, touchdown. And then, you know, obviously 12 didn't play good today. He didn't.

And I've said it over and over. For those in the chat, I know we have our Shador haters who don't like him. He didn't play well. Can you hear me? But in most of those that are hating too long, they don't watch football. They don't understand football. They don't want to understand the ends and announcing. The intricacies of football that you.

understand that played the game. Exactly. The nuances. Listen, we see it. We see it clear as day. But they just on it, oh, he played bad. He's ass. He's a fifth rounder.

He's not that good. Well, of course, yes, based on what you saw today. But we're trying to tell you why it looked that way. But that's neither here or no there. It is what it is. They made their decision. They have to lie in the bed with it. So, listen, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

happy for him. This is why I watch the game with no sound. I don't want someone to contaminate my mind and I regurgitate what somebody else said. Also, the reason why I watch, fans

are only interested in the end result. I'm trying to figure out why we got said result. It's not good enough that they scored a touchdown. I need to know why. Let me see the formation. Let me see what the guy did. and let me see the defensive coverage.

Was it just a great route? Did he just beat? Sometimes, Ocho, you just beat the guy. And that's okay. You get paid. He gets paid. Sometimes Ocho just going to win because Ocho was just the better player.

Sometimes the defensive back is going to win. He wins some, you win more than you lose. Sometimes, who blew the assignment? Was it the safety? Was he getting greedy, paying attention to the tight end on the over? When he should have been deep middle, what was, what did the corner? Why did he, did he not, did he not shovel the receiver down inside and sink?

Why was he still so far? Why was he so close up when there's nothing to threaten the flat? I'm analyzing all of that. It's just not good enough for me to know that they scored. I'm trying to see why they scored. And then I'm going to tell you based on my experience, having played the game, having studied the game, this is what I think happened. So Ocho and I, what we're trying to do,

we're not making excuses for Shadoor. Shadour has to do a better job of not making a bad situation worse. Hey, I was so confused tonight too, Uncle, let me tell you something. I really, I really do this. I watched the game for a long time. So I thought maybe I'm tripping.

Maybe I'm tripping based on what I'm seeing and maybe I'm not seeing it correctly. Hell, I pick up the phone. I call T.J. I call who's. And I'm like, who's. Am I tripping, or did I see what I thought I just saw when 12 winning the game? He's like, yeah, yeah.

You can tell me, that's a bunch of you know what. You know, TJ, TJ don't care. He just, he just go off the rock on the phone. Yeah, why would you put him in that situation? I say, okay, I just want to, if I heard it from you and I know how TJ, he's going to tell it like it. He don't care. And, okay, I do want to make sure I wasn't tripping. I just want to make sure I went.

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Oh, Cho, Shiloh, Shiloh, Shaloh, was ejected after throwing a punch at Bill's tight-in, Zach Davidson. Should he have been ejected? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do that. You've got to be able to control yourself, especially in that moment. I know the tight-in, you know, they was locked up a little bit.

He was probably trying to rough-had him a little bit, but you have to be able to control yourself. You've got to be able to control your emotions, especially in moments like that, especially in the game. Especially in the game. So, you know, you know, You have no choice. If you throw a punch, if anything, if you, if your arm extends and it touches the other individual, you're going out the game.

Every time. Ocho, he's in the open field. That's not like an offense and defensive line with Ocho, you're in the pile and can't nobody see you try to hit the guy. Ocho, he right. The bad judge and the side judge, that was he was standing right there. They're right there. You know, sometimes you got players that are for vote. you sometimes they're always going to see the person that that swings last they'll never see who initiated

but they're going to always see the person who swings last so you got to be able to be i ain't trying i ain't trying to get you back in front of the ref i'm going to try to get you back when you ain't thinking about it because he if i do something then you brace it you go all you're going to do is turn to the ref you see ref he did the age start hey ref you see what 84 did you see what he did don't worry about it i'm going to get you back it's going to look like a place I'm gonna get your hands back, yeah. Or I'm gonna get your teammate. Somebody, somebody gonna get it.

Somebody gonna get got. They got your color uniform on. He ain't had nothing to do with it, but that's your teammate. Hey, y'all know how it is. Hey, I'm gonna get you or somebody that's related to you. Yeah, but I agree with you, Ocho. Shilohle knows he can't do a situation like that. bro you can't hurt

he got on the helmet so let's just say for the sake of about you hit it okay you hit him in the head or what happened you break your hand you're going to get a penalty in this situation you got tossed now even if you do rate the wrong you do know when you get thrown out of game

you know that's like $20,000 $20,000 $30,000 so let's just say for the sake of argument oh yeah yeah how much is an ejection in the football game it's like $2530,000 not that much the hell you say

my my god damn celebrations were 2530,000 I know they ain't but you stayed in the game you did your celebration they called you to get tossed

out of a game yeah I'm kidding how much is an ejection especially a first time offense too they're gonna take all that into account actually like 32,000 yeah

They're going to let them appeal at. They're going to let them appeal at. They're going to let you appeal it. First time offense, too. They're going to be like. Who are you appealing to? So let me ask you a quick. Is Mertang still?

Mertang's? No, I think it's Brooks, Derek Brooks, James, Thrash, and John Runyon. So Brooks and Thrash and then Runyon is over. James Thrash? Oh, goddamn James Thrash. What? Hey. Wait, Derek Brooks, you're talking about.

he threw a punch yeah 40 for fighting old Joe and hold on you said Derek Brooks you said about double nickel yeah okay I didn't know that man they're gonna take him they're gonna take him they're gonna take him

I mean Brooks had trash they're very friendly but some things yeah I know I know Uh, yeah. Physical contact with an official is 40,000. A second offense is 81,000. Verbal or non-physical offense with it against official.

So if you curse in or something, that's 32,000. Next one. Ooh. Fighting. 40,000 for the first offense. $40,686. A second offense is 81,000. Woo.

Woo. So unsportsman-like conduct. I don't, you know what? Maybe they label it unsports-small like conduct. Okay, maybe see. But what did they call it during the game? What did they say during the game? Because that, if you throw a ball into the stands,

that's $8,100, Ocho. What should play? Uniform. Play a heavy throwing the ball in the stands, still. I know. I ain't throw one of it. chin strap shoulder pads thigh knee pads that's fifty seven that's fifty eight hundred dollars unapproved visor or tent lack of brand marks 5700 personal messages about 115

damn gang signs ooh gang signs oh gang side don't do that don't do that that's all i got for yocho hey what hey that's that's that's that's that's a gang sign, too. Yay, that's all I got. That's all I got for you. But I just say, look, the emotions got the best of him. You know, you're fighting for a roster spot. I don't know what, like I said, I don't know what happened.

I just, you know, sort of steal shots of it. Like, so I don't know if he did this or he did that. And blocking him all the way down the field. It seems like, you know, obviously Titan came off, got up on the safety. And they just, he tried to drive him back, driving back. And I'm assuming. Oh, you tried to dump it. He tried to, yeah, he tried to, yeah, that's all.

A little rough house. And we find out what they call it in the game. And, you know, you just got to be smart in a situation like that because you are fighting for a position. You don't want to do anything that costs you position. But, you know, hey, I trust me. Sometime with emotion is high, logic is low. we've all done things

that we look back at like man why the hell I do that why and Chador probably like as he's walking to the tunnel like everybody Shadur, excuse me

shallow everybody's going to get got if you play long enough somebody going to get you with a block somebody going to going to pancake you. Somebody going to rout your ass up. You're going to get God.

It's like being in the NBA. You're going to get dunked on. You play long enough. You don't get dunked on. I don't care. Excuse me. I don't care who you are. You're going to get got.

Offensive linemen are going to get beat. He going to get run over. Defensive linemen are going to get blocked. He going to get pancake. Quarterback going to get hit. All that's going to happen because it's the game of football. And those guys are, are really good, that you're going against, they're really good.

I know you're really good also, but they're really good. And somebody that's really good can make somebody else that really, that's really good look bad. I don't think people realize, people just think that, oh, he's such and such, he's supposed to win all the time. No, hell you're not. No. Even Barry Barnes, he didn't strike out often, but he did strike out.

Tony Gwynne didn't strike out often, but he did strike out. He did get nobody hit 500, hit 6. 700 so obviously but you know I ain't really never got that mad don't you not in the game I mean somebody

have somebody done some dirty stuff yeah yeah and I got their ass back I mean I'm trying to think I have a only time I was about I went out in the beat Ray's ass that's it you heard me

you gonna beat Ray up man out of the mouth and mouth to beat Ray all up and down M&T Bank Stadium. He's lucky Air Reid grabbed me, boy. I was feeling good that day, too. Oh, you feeling good? Yeah, I was feeling good.

I was feeling good. He ain't even know, Ray didn't even know, like he hit me, right? Stay. Okay, okay. Okay, go ahead. What did you say on Joe? So Ray hit me.

I went for the slant. It was too high. I know I saw it And listen My helmet went flying So once I got my helmet Once I got my helmet Now I was getting ready to walk up on him

And he didn't know I was going to hit him in the stomach So you know when he hits somebody in the stomach The first thing they do is they go They bend down And then you'll catch him with an uppercut Yeah And so I mean listen

My boy I'll tell you boy I would have that 52 would have been 25 when I was done with Ray that day boy I don't think you had, I don't think you had all your barons. I mean, I think you were, I think you was about to be the hairless football player because I thought your head was in that hillside. It was. It was. It was. You're going to get this work, though.

Hey, that's one of the things I miss though. Like, I know I play around a lot. I make a lot of jokes. I'm always laughing and stuff. What you miss? Being able to compete. Not against anybody. I'm talking about being able to compete against those Steeler teams with Ike Taylor and James Harrison and Larry Foote and Joey Porter and, oh, man.

Yeah, I thought you were going to say you miss getting hit. Oh, yeah, I don't mind that either. Listen, you know, I was like, I was like Gumby, I ain't kidding about that getting hit. You got on, you got a, I got up from every single hit except one. 11 years, one hit. I didn't get up. That was it. When you pop up fast, they know they got you.

Now, you know, I pop up fast talking trash, though, every time. It was some good days, man. I miss playing them Ravens, man, them defenses, man. Dog, that was such a joy, such a joy. Because you had no choice but to show up on. There's no weakness. There was no weakness. Nowhere.

Nowhere. Division games are always, too. Second level was good. Secondary was good. and here go my crazy I'm talking trash all week long to take all the pressure off for everybody else on our team

so all the pressure was on me now all y'all got to do just go out there and just do your job nah because they cheap shot and everybody man why you two man because tell Sharp to say shut up okay

man sharp leave alone you ain't got to block him well you need to block better yeah I enjoyed it that way man I don't know why man I know Oh, look, you know what, I bet your time called him from the, I bet your time called Shiloh in the locker room. Of course.

Man, what is you, man, what is you doing, what? That's exactly what, man. What's you doing? Really, son? You think, so let me ask you question. You hit him. You think you hurt him? You think there was a greater chance you hurt your own self or you hurt him.

You hurt your own self, your own team, or you hurt your own team or you, you hurt him. hurt him or his team. Because that's like, that's like, you know, there's a, I don't know if he like, he ain't really no, time ain't really no yelling. He's more of a talker and a stern and a stern way to get his porn calls. Me, I'm like, bro, what, what, come on,

what, what are you doing? Really? You thought that was your, that was your answer. Demand, demand, demand, demand, The man then drove you like a Winnebago. So now you're mad because you couldn't get him up off you. You take a swipe at him. Oh, man.

Hey, Shiloh, you are getting the weight room, bro. Them guys, them guys big, them tight ends. Hey, you know, I was just strong, but I wasn't, you know, I was 228. Them guys, now, them tight as now, they're six, four, six, five, 250, 260. Hey, you got to drop anger on them, Shiloh. Get up off of me. The hell you're thinking to see. You know, and Prime got to be careful

because Shiloh, were hitting back with you were the same one out there fight with Andre Rising. So you sitting here telling me about throwing punches, you was out there. Bad time. I remember, bet I remember that. Like, hey, he tried to show,

he tried to show out in my house. You can't come to my house. They're going at it, boy. but they were going at it. I think Drey forgot that time was left-handed. He was looking for the right and time would kill it with the left. I think that's what happened.

See, that's what gets your own show because you think most of the time and I think most people are right-handed. What's the percentage of right-handed people? It ain't no 50-50 like a coin flip. It's got to be like 70-30, right to the lefty. And so you automatically

assume somebody right-handed. And so you're like, you're looking for that right and he just cocked upside your head with a cock, cock, cock, got, got. And see, the thing was, time was smart. See, time, it wasn't punching me. Time ain't want to break his hand. Open, open.

Time was open-handed me. But I think, I think Shilu learned. I mean, hey, you're like, hey, hopefully he makes the squad because this thing will be on the practice squad, don't you? You ain't making $40,000 a week. They're going to take your first three weeks going to the NFL. You're going to be all right.

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The headlines, the Buccaneers informed rookie Shiloh Sanders today that he's being waived. His agent, Drew Rosenhaus, Robert Bailey, a former teammate of mine with the Ravens, added, we're hoping he'd get claimed of waivers. Ocho, where do you think Shiloh will land? You know what, I'm not sure where we're laying. There's some teams out there that could use some depth, especially at the safety position. I'm not sure what the Bengals look like in the secondary. I think Steelers can add, the Saints can add to their secondary as well.

He's going to get claimed. Where he gets claimed, I'm not sure where that would be yet. Listen, for one, he has Austin representation in Robert Bailey and Drew Rosenhouse. Obviously, they represented me while I was playing in my tenure. So he will get picked up, where he gets picked up. I'm not sure. but he has the right person in his corner to make sure he gets another opportunity to play the game that he loves.

Sometimes your last name can be a blessing and a curse. It's not normal that free agents have breaking news that they're being released. He's an undrafted free agent. And because his name is Sanders, the blessing and the curse, people say, well, Sean, he only got an opportunity because his last name is Sanders. I haven't, I mean, maybe you can recall the last time an undrafted free agent. it was breaking news that he was getting released, getting waived, whatever the case may be, go ahead, don't you?

Anytime it's a rookie, especially an undrafted rookie, the only time they make the news, Uncas, is when they get in trouble. Right. Is there an arrest of some sort, anything coming out of college where they've gotten in trouble? But that's pretty much it. Because of the last name is why it's breaking news. And it just, like you say, Uncas, it's a gift and a curse. Yep.

And I just, you know, You sit back and you reflect and you're like, okay, it didn't work out here. Maybe somebody gives me an opportunity. It works out somewhere else. You don't know this is the first time that Shiloh's been told he's not good enough. I mean, he's been a phenomenal player. Obviously, his first start with the University of South Carolina. He got a D1 scholarship.

His father gets the job at Jackson State. He goes and joins his father and his brother at Jackson. And then when his dad get the head coaching job at CU, he follows, you know, their two sons follow their dad there. This is the very first time. And it's really hard because think about it, Ocho, he's 20, I think he's 24, 25. Yeah. And for the first time in 24, 25 years, somebody has told you you're not good enough. Now, it's one thing if, you know, you get cut from your high school team, you get cut from your junior varsity team or something like that.

He's 25. But think about it. Think about this, ladies and gentlemen. I mean, for the first time of your life, you're in your mid-20s, before somebody ever tells someone ever utters to you, you're not good enough. Forget it be a sport. Maybe it's a job.

Maybe it's something, but to be told you're not good enough because your whole life you've dreamed about being an NFL player or your dream job, whatever the case that may be, you've dreamed about holding this dream job. And then all of a sudden, they're like, you're not good enough. Um, per Yahoo sports, we're told that Buccaneers enjoyed having Shiloh in the building, viewing the son of Dion Sanders as a good kid, who's at all times respectful to everyone. Shiloh could, in theory, signed with the Buc's practice squad after clearing waivers.

The bigger question is rather he's good enough to compete and play at an NFL level. Um, that's always the case. That's what you weigh, Ocho, because if you bring somebody back on the practice squad, you're saying with a year under our belt, a year under his belt and our system. Developing. We think he can develop into a player

that could play for us. Yes. In office, defense. And maybe he's just a backup. Maybe, hey, they pay backups just in case people to know. They do pay backups in NFL. And, you know, he can be a special teams player. Punt, punt return, kickoff, kickoff return.

Maybe he could be, whatever the case may be. Now, That's what the Bucks organization, that's what they have to weigh. Todd Bowles and that staff, I forget the general manager. I just read reading something the other day about the general manager

because he was talking about, what's the linebacker they let go? He was LSU. They ended up letting him go and he goes to Philly. Now he's found a home. I think he's at the Texans, maybe the Raiders, or whatever the case may be.

But I just saw his name. That's what you have to, that's what you're up against. You got 16 spots, So that's a lot of people that you can bring in. All those 16 players, Ocho, basically we're saying that we believe with another year in our systems, offense or defense, we think down the line, he just need a little bit more time to develop. We think this kid might turn into a pretty good player for us. Absolutely.

Let's take another look at it. Let's get a bird's eye view. Let's stay with him for a year. And let's see what kind of player he turns into. So hopefully that's something, if he doesn't get claimed up waivers, hopefully he gets an opportunity, either he's the bugs or someone gives him an opportunity, because maybe he just needs another year to develop into an NFL player.

Maybe that's the case. Maybe it isn't. Everybody, that particular dream, everybody doesn't get to realize it, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. Because, but, you know what, my brother had a very interesting take on a dream. He said, you know where the dream is, Ocho, a dream that comes true? Uh-huh.

He says, it's a gift to yourself. Hmm. A dream is a gift to yourself. Mm-hmm. You, I had very similar dreams. I need to play in the NFL. Got to. There are no other options.

I didn't have a plan B. I got my degree. But my plan A, B, C, all the way through Z was go play in the NFL. fell and my determining factor was to get my family out of the situation. Now, my brother gave us a head start, but I wasn't, that wasn't good enough for me. He did it. I never thought there was nothing that my brother ever did that I didn't think I could do. Not one thing.

He's like, I like, he went to college, man, I know I can go to college even though I wasn't the student that he was. I didn't, he applied himself. I never applied myself. I was, you know, hey, I got this guy. give an ability. I'll be extremely talented. That'll get me by. It's amazing. I think it's amazing when I see kids that come from lineage, like a time, like a Clay Matthews,

senior, like a Bruce Matthews son, Peyton Manning. When your father has something and you still have a burning desire to get it for yourself, that's very impressive to me. Coming from our situations, Ocho, it's easy to be more. Oh, yeah, yeah. Being hungry, being hot, being cold, it's easy. Being rained on, it's easy to develop motivation. But what happens when you have none of those extraneous circumstances? Yeah, yeah, you got to want it. You got to want it. You got to be self-motivated too. And you got to understand when you have fathers that play in the NFL that were very, very good, not just, you know, you're regularly average players. Then also as a child, having to live up to that high. having the comparison of your father. You're not being as good as your father just yet, maybe, but sometimes the pressures of having to live up to

in the shadow of a father that was extremely good at his craft can also, it can be demoralizing at times not focus and locked in. I mean, a great example of one of the players who was able to do it, T.O. Tiro Owen's son, you know, I'm sure he's had to deal with all the outside noise, but having a father like Tio.

that's going to make sure you're prepared for all the nonsense that comes with don't worry about trying to be me just be you just be best Tariq Owens that you can be hell this past weekend what do you do? Scored to Pops

you know that has to be one of the greatest feelings in the world to have a son to overcome that or a daughter whatever respective craft it is that they do or choose to be in that has to be a dope dope feeling

of course um i think the thing is oh cho the biggest thing is is do are you living in your parents shadow or are you embracing it that's a good one that's a good one i would never force my child to do anything they don't want to do i don't know i would never force my child to do anything listen i would love i would love it you know if you want to play football so be it but it's nothing that will ever force you to do you know why because playing football was your dream you don't know if that's their dream. See, a lot of time when people force their kid to do something, they're living vicariously through the child. Now, I'm not saying in all situations because I think everybody wants their child to be successful. Yes. His or her chosen path. Right. But a lot of times

we see the behavior. And people can't think about now, oh, my son going to the NFL, my son is going to be a major league baseball player. My son going to be a basketball player. Let the kid, let a kid be a kid. Right. You're not supposed to look at your child as a paycheck. you're not supposed to look at your child as the way out. That's a good one. That's a good one. Oh, you're not supposed to live vicarity through your child because you weren't able to achieve the dreams that you want.

You couldn't do it. So now you're going to put that, hey, hopefully the child embraces and wants to be that, whatever he or she chooses, and then you nudge them along in that direction. Don't, hey, this is what you want to do. And my son very early on, he said, this ain't me. This ain't what I want.

I got a question. I have a question for you. Now that we're talking about that, it's a great topic to talk about. When you think about fathers like Joe Jackson, fathers like Tiger Woods, pops. Yes. Serena and Venus Dad.

Beyonce's father. Yes. Fathers that actually understood early on, this is what you guys need to do to be able to reach success. You talk about prodigies, though. You talk about, you talk about, you talk about what? But you've got to understand.

As fathers, you never know that these prodigies are going to be what they turned out to be. You think his dad understood that she would be one of the greatest of all time? I mean, she's just sitting in the choir, you young. Joe Jackson, you have talent. You have sons that are talented. You have to put them through the work to actually get to that clinical that you envision. Is that not almost like the same thing? They seeing something that they weren't able to accomplish and they feel that their child or kids.

should be able to be able to live up, live out their dream? But if you go back and think about it, go back and listen to the parent, the kid was excited to get up the next day to go do it again. Okay. They never had to force the child to go do it. Right. They never like, come on, Tiger, you got to get up. Tiger was four or five years old.

He already had his bag. He was ready to go. Yeah. Beyonce, they never had to drag Beyonce into rehearsals or say, you need to practice. She was ready to go. Mike he's with the Jackson 5 you say we got a group nice little group hey and I'm sure but and and you know a lot of times you know it's hard Tiger had a very strained relationship with his father because of the things that transpired in the household with his mom we know Mike

had a very troubled relationship with his father he ended up firing his dad as soon as he left the group I think in 79 fired his dad all of them to end up firing their dad as their manager right so We understand because, but as a child, you don't understand that, Ocho. You don't, you don't understand that he, your parent, mom, or dad is trying to push you in a direction because they see something in you that you don't see yourself. Yeah. But, but the child has to want it because if he or she begrudgingly do it. Yeah.

Listen, when they get old enough, when they get old enough to make their own decisions, all the work things you put in, it don't go to waste because the child is going to turn. Now, you know what, the same way. That ain't what I want. Because we've seen, we've seen them. Man, I just, man, I ain't even want to play no more football. I ain't even want to play no more basketball. And that's, and here's the thing.

I saw somebody, and he said two things, motivation and discipline. When you're not motivated, are you disciplined enough to go do what you need to do? Yeah. Motivation. Oh, yeah. Oh, Joe. Oh, I'm motivated. Oh, boy, boy, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And the motivation is not there because you're not going to be motivated. every single day, every single time. But will you be disciplined? Understanding and realizing what it takes to get to where you ultimately wants to go. Two more examples. What's that? Ball and what he did with the ball.

Yes. And Amon Ross St. Brown's father as well. Mm-hmm. A, magic. Great Creed magic. Yeah. But he said, he'd say, hey, the boy is, hey, they wanted to be at the gym. Yes.

It's easy when someone is motivated and their discipline. That's the easiest person Because you look at the greats Michael Jordan is extremely talented Look at the motivation Look at the discipline that he had Look at LeBron, look at a Kobe You look at the greats or the greats

Yes Not only they're extremely talented They're extremely driven individuals I'm talking about obsessed Yeah, yeah Serena was obsessed That's when you get when 20, 30, 40 years from now,

when we talk about some of the best female tennis player, that's why she's always going to be mentioned because she was obsessed with it. Yes, she's ultimately talented. To be able to, for her to be able to move around the court like she could with that powerful forehand. Yeah. Federer.

He's like he's on clouds. Like he's ballet. He's birishing the cough with a racket. but we wish the best for all these guys but some of these sadly is going to come to an end some of these guys are not going to get uh uh uh what do we call it ocho practice squad opportunities some of these guys it's always it's the end of the road in the heat of battle your squad relies on you don't let them down unlock elite gaming tech at lenovo dot com dominate every match with next level speed seamless streaming and performance that won't quit and push your gameplay beyond limits with into core ultra processors. That's the power of Lenovo with Intel inside. Maximize your edge by shopping at Lenovo.com during their back-to-school sale. That's Lenovo.com.

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