Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL Preseason Week 3 Part 2: Jaxson Dart Ready to Start?! + Packers DL Rashan Gary joins the show

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL stories of the week on Nightcap! The guys react to Jaxson Dart's entire preseason performance and Packers Pro Bowler, Rashan Gary, joins the show to discuss the Packers upcoming season. 0:00 - Mike Vrabel called out Patriots ‘rats’ after injury report leak15:19 - Jaxson Dart’s impressive preseason30:44 - Rashan Gary joins the show (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Support today that Jaylen Pope will have to have season and in shoulder surgery. Can you add anything to that? No. I don't know, other than I'd like to find out where some of these come from. You know, some of these rats around here, so we'll figure that out. You see, hey, now we see everybody, who said that? Who said that? they don't just be making this stuff up.

I know y'all be trying to name your source, name your source, name your source. No, they don't make that up. Right. Owners, head coaches, general managers, player personnel, position coaches, players. That's how Adam Sheffter stay in business. That's how Shams stay in business. The agents, that's how they get that information. y'all get mad y'all y'all get mad y'all don't get mad at the people for telling them

y'all get mad at shepter and shan for reporting it oh the first thing they always say especially the fans state your source right state your source well who said it well duh if they state their source they would never be able to get information you're done so just go ahead and turn your pen and say hey hey ESPN i'm done i'm no longer in business of doing that yeah you heard what he said So now, chat, there ain't nothing wrong with it. Now you heard what he's saying. He would like to know who the radio's.

So somebody told the reporter because the reporter stood up their point blank and asked about season end of shoulder surgery. That he should know about. The reporter should know about that. The matter of fact, they'd be reporting. Now, I'm not saying that someone, but like when Shepton them be coming nine times out of T and Ocho, oh, they got that from somewhere. They got that from somewhere

A close source Yes People around the league No people in the league Ain't around the league They ain't around it They're in it Somebody talking

Sources in the NFL The league office That's just the way it works You know it's funny too long I was reading some of the stuff We talked about last night with the Shador I'm not going back on the Shador thing right now. I'm just saying in general.

And some of the comments throughout today are people on my timeline reacting to what we're saying and what ED said, what Eric DeGis said. And people like, oh, that's impossible. Why would the NFL care? I mean, this, I mean, they come up with all these

different solutions and it goes back to me in people underestimating how powerful the NFL is in general, how they just see it in just a football game, and how how they don't understand that the shield is one that remind people. Let me, let me say this again slowly.

The shield in the NFL is one that we will remind people in any way, shape, form of fashion. Nothing will be bigger than our program. Absolutely. Nothing will be bigger than our program. People are so blind to it and don't understand the power that those individuals as a whole possessed it's ridiculous even when I was playing

Uncle let me let me Hey Joe let me tell you something Joe Even when I was playing I understood the power that be of the shield So I understood I know I can play a little bit

But not too much Joe I knew I could play around a little bit Cat y'all stay with me but I understood what lines not the cross Unk I understood the game very early. I understood

my time in NFL, it won't be that long. I have a small window of opportunity to have some fun, to make some money, but there's certain lines that cannot cross, but at some point in the long run, I'm going to have to cross that bridge again.

Color in between the lines, Joe, color in between the lines. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe, listen, Joe, let me tell you something, how well I'm at playing the game. And Joe, I can say the chat, stay with me real quick. Some of the things I'm got, some of the things I have got going on right now,

all these goddamn jobs and all these goddamn opportunities, there's certain buttons that are being pushed behind those doors. That you can't see. That's a loud thing. Joe, come on, Joe. There's certain buttons being pushed behind closed doors. Man, come on, man. Hey, no, no, no, no, Ocho, I feel, I understand.

Don't make the start, Mike. Hey, I understand. I understand, man, listen. When, hey, it's, it's, I understand about the buttons being pushed behind closed doors. There's people working for you and you don't even know it. Mm-hmm. Well, you don't, don't even know it. You don't burn no bridges.

You came. Everybody's talking about, do this and do a that, and out of did this and not a did that. Yeah. Okay. You leave like you came. You came with your dignity. You leave. All that yelling and screaming.

Hey, well, nobody was harmed into making of that movie. but at the end of the day there's been speculation that Polk was going to be cut or trade candidate with all 32 teams needing a set 53 man roster by 4th Eastern on August to 26th

who would benefit from leaking injury of a player more than the player himself who may not want to be leave or traded well you can't trade the players if he's cut I mean if he's injured you have to have from an injury

settlement. So he's great. So they can't train. No, you can't cut it in your brain. You have to offer him an injury settlement. Right. I know you can't do it in basketball. I ain't know how football work.

But we've seen players get injured. I could have swore I saw stuff where players have gotten injured, they get cut right away, especially in training camp. I could have swore I saw that. Oh, okay, okay. Well, at least the reports could say a severer was the receiver was a player with a guy. Okay, okay.

You get an injury settlement. They have a question. Is there a certain amount, a set amount for, for, I guess, how long is going to, I mean, that's something you, the agent would be, we, we work out, probably the length of time. If it's gone for the season, you're like, right. No, I want my money. But maybe what, maybe what, a million two days? I think he's like a second year player, right?

He's a second year player. So, I mean, it was his 800,000. $1,000 a million, they're like, okay, they probably, they probably eat that, oh, Joe. Yeah. Right. Okay, okay, okay, okay. It's when you get into the situation like a Christian Wilkins,

you're getting guys making 13, 15, 15, 20, now it becomes a problem. Or Joe, in basketball, Joe, they do what they call a buyout. Okay, I'll give you 85%. I give you 90% of your money. Right, right. They don't do that in football? Hell, no. I don't know, they cut you.

They say, you're about your way. Yeah, they get you up out of there. Unless you got, like Russ, the Broncos cut Russ. They say, okay, they gave Russ all his money. Remember because, oh, is that normal? Yeah. Yeah, but no, not a lot of people have like that big guaranteed money. Yeah, if you got guaranteed money, you don't care.

Russ had 38, what, 30-something, 35, 36 million coming from the Broncos. So it wasn't nothing to go to take the $2 million from the Steelers. I got $40 million. I don't care how is div it out. I got it coming. But a lot of guys ain't got that guaranteed money. So, that's tough.

You know, football, a gladiator sport, man. Yeah. You know, every play could beat them their career ending play. Absolutely. Hey, Joe, that's why you got to be built like this out there, Joe. You've been in the gym, huh? Like this, it don't matter, what? Yeah, hey, hey, hey,

let me pick a bone with him real quick. Go ahead. Man, Ocho, I watched that celebrity game and, uh... Yo, Joe! Hold on. Hey, I was at that, like, brawling, you know? Hold on, hold on. I expected...

I didn't expect for you to score 30, but I expect at least a double, double, 10 points, 10 rebounds. Hey, Joe, hey, listen to me, Joe. Listen to me, Joe. I really want to say this. I wasn't supposed to say this allowed, but I'm going to say it anyway.

Hey, Hezegar, right? I've seen it. He had a bet. He had a bet. Stay with me. Stay with me real quick, Joe. He had a bet, right? With Gilly.

Gilly was supposed to win, MVP again. I say, Hezzy, well, I'm going to just shoot, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just give the ball. You just go to work and do what you need to do. Hey, listen. I seen he was ultra aggressive. I've seen that. No, no.

Hey, did you see the first, hey, Joe, soon as he got the ball. I see he had it on his mind and he had to get it off his shift. But listen, he didn't make every shot. Joe, I expect you, you're probably most athletic dude out there. I was expecting you to get the rebound. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But Joe. He got what he known for. He's known for a double single. Nah, no, no. Hey, hold on, hold on. Oh, Joe. Hey, Joe. Joe, I did what I was supposed to do

to make sure my team got my win. I was at their rebound out of air. Facilitated like magic. Ocho, you, hey, Ocho, you're a Johnson, man. Hey, you're a Johnson, boy, you hear me? Yeah, you're supposed to go out there and show up and show out, all right? Hey, Joe, Joe, next year? They didn't invite you back, Ocho.

They did not invite you back? Oh, no, they're ready. Oh, they definitely bring me back. Because you ain't, hey, listen, you ain't never seen no defense like that. I was out there, hey, I was like Pat Beverly and, you know, I wish I could have been out there. But anyway I don't know what you

Joe, Joe say you had a double single I heard a triple double, I ain't never heard no double single Hey, hey, hold on, hold on Hey, hey, I did what I was supposed to do I told you I was like Rodman at there The comedian, Rodman? No, Rodman, right?

Oh, okay, I didn't know about the comedian. Hey, hey, what's a dude that played for the Spurs that was really good at defense? Bruce Lohen, right? Yeah, that's how Alvin Robertson was before him. Alvin Robertson.

He don't know nothing about him, all. He was good. He was an outstanding. He got a quadruva double. He got a, yeah, he was good. His defensive player, he hell, yeah, it was good. Hold on, hold on. He was like Gary Payton defense, like that kind of good.

Right. Yeah, yeah, it was good. All right, all right, all right, all right. Joe, I know I let you down. Joe, I got you, though. I joke. Listen, just one game. Oh, you coming back next year? I'm coming back every year.

Hold on. Hold on. Okay, oh, Joe. Y'all see the two teams in the championship game, right? Yeah. Yeah. You'll be four-ball made a joke. With a 30 burger in the back pocket. Stop playing with me, y'all. Come on now. Hey, Joe. What's up? Hey, I asked Uncle question, too, right? You know, Joe, I don't, let me, let me chat.

Y'all stay with me real quick, chat. I am new to basketball, Joe, watching the game, understanding the game, understanding the plays and just the screens and just all that three-level score, everything, Joe. I am soccer, football, tennis, boxing. I can see it, talk about that for hours. So basketball, being new to me in general,

so being up close, my first game, Joe, in a long time was going to see, last year or maybe a year before last watching the Philly game sitting courtside and watching Embedde go for 70

I don't know was that last year you had that game for last yeah yeah yeah because I was with I was with Doug so I went to that game

and before that I went to a heat game maybe once every three years so now I'm into I'm in the basketball I ain't got no choice I got to talk it I got to watch it

and now I'm really getting into it so I look at them boys played in the three-on-three. And I'm like, I came on the show that night with Uncle. I'm like, well, God damn, Uncle, how hell Lance Stevenson ain't playing? How to hell, Michael B, he's not in the league. And so it's because it's new to me and me not understanding age. Yeah.

That what I'm watching, those dudes are really good. But the people that's playing in NBA right now are that much better. And you got, and when you're in the league, there's a, there's a way in which you behave. Absolutely. Right. So, so basically. Hey, Joe, them boy was good.

No, they can play, Ocho. They can play. They can play. Oh, man. Yeah, I mean, Lance Stevens have played like a decade. He played like 10 and 11 years. Yeah, he could. Yeah.

Hey, Joe. That nigga Lance was taking people off the dribble. Man, Beasley. Man, man. Y'all, you don't have seen them boys play. This is my first time seeing them up close It's one thing, you know, TV The TV don't do no justice

You don't do justice Why do you 6-9 movement like that, man? What are we doing? No, you know, the boys got some game, man. You know what? And it wouldn't have been so bad, Ojo if you wouldn't have been on her holland about you was going to score 30 points.

I think that's where a chat, if I ain't mistaken, I think that's where chat was like, man, what Ojo talking about, he's going to score 30. So we was looking, we was looking for a flirt No, you were looking for you to come out like. I was looking, I was hoping for two points.

I said if he just get on, I just wanted him underscores. I just wanted him in the book. That's all. I was hoping for, Joe. But Joe, this is what you have to understand when it come to me, Joe. You know me and you know what I enjoy. You know what I love. You know what I'm passionate about.

You know what I play consistently away from the game of football. You know, if it was a soccer game, I would have had 100 goals. If it was tennis, you ain't scored, you know, I play tennis. Come on, Joe. Don't do that. Don't do that. That's the one thing I can actually do better than got that football. Joe, I don't play basketball.

That's why. That's why they become big cap on nightcap. Oh, yeah, yeah. When it comes to basketball, that's fine. That's fine. I don't do that. Not just basketball. Just big cap.

Nah. I'm done this one. This is that. I'm Dan. He's Ty. Hello. And we're the solid verbal. College Football Podcast.

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Now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Giants. Oh, Joe, you don't jump right into it. The Giants beat the Patriots. Jackson Dart shined in his rookie preseason. His numbers across all three weeks, he was 32 or 47. 372 yards, four total touchdowns, zero interceptions. Ocho, I told you, he's going to be starting sooner than you think.

He's going to learn one thing, Ocho. What is that? Get your ass down. Them guys, you try, hey, hey, they come up for, them guys heavy and they're fans. He's going to learn fast. He's going to learn very fast. But you have to understand. You say he's going to start sooner, rather sooner than later.

And that's to say if Russell Wilson doesn't play. play well, but I think Russell Wilson is going to be in great command of that offense, especially what the weapons he has around him. Listen, you put that ball in Uno's hands, everything ain't going to be fine. Put that ball in one's hands, everything ain't going to be fine. I don't think there's much pressure on Russell Wilson. And if they're going to give him the job, I think Russell Wilson makes it through this season and Jackson Dart starts next year.

You don't think so? No. Not the way this rookie played this preseason. And, Ocho, you see the way he's moving the pocket? You see the throw that he's making? He's nice. He's nice. Yeah.

And the one thing you and I going to do, we're going to give credit where it's due now. If you play bad, we're going to say you play bad. But if you play good, we're going to say, hey, man, get your popcorn, watch this kid. I mean, his command of the offense, he's, I mean, his ability to push the ball down the field. His ability, he's crambling. And then all of a sudden, he's like, oh, I forgot about my black. back, wham, throws it to the back. I said, you should have, you show a boy rookie?

Rookers don't normally play like that. He plays with a lot of poids. He played a big-time arm. He'll throw, push the ball. I like guys that push the ball down the field. All that short fishing, you ain't going to catch no big fish around the edge. The big fish ID.

Yeah, most of the time, especially for the rookies, you know, to get themselves in rhythm, get themselves in rhythm, they'll start short, just to get that confidence going as opposed to taking a deep shot. I remember, I think what was it? Maybe last week, it might have been last week. It was third and shorter. Maybe they went for it on four down,

and he threw the goddamn deep ball instead of throwing a short for a touchdown. Yeah. And guess what, Ocho? Who else knows that you're a rookie that you're probably not going to push that ball down field early and you're going to stay around the shore,

de-coordinators? Yeah, yeah, you're right. And they're telling the corner, they tell them the crowd, Yeah. Because they're thinking like you thinking. Yeah. Coach, first of all,

coach ain't going to call anything. He don't want to get too exotic. He wants to let him warm up. We're going to let him throw a smoke, let him throw an aisle, let him throw a slant. Sit. Hey, etch.

They're going to go get that ball. But no, I love, I love what I've seen. I don't want to get, but I think Brian, dayball and that staff is very pleased with the production that Jackson Dart displayed in the preseason. How can you not? Four total touchdowns, no picked, basically clean look. Like you said, Ocho, I can teach you that son. Get your ass down. Get down or get out of bounds. You got two choices. You can get down or you can get your ass out of bounds. One or the other. Or we're going to come

put your ass on the car and you're going to go into tent. Because you see what happened? What happened, They came and got him And they took his ass to the 10 But listen Based on his plate This preseason Bengals, I'm talking about Bengals I'm just thinking about my damn mangles

Giants fan Giants organization The team mates They have to be very pleased Very obvious people They saw from Jackson Dard But also I want to be very cautious now

Very cautious now You got to understand who he was going against Now when the regular season and stars, it's a different ball game at there, hung. It's not going to be sweet. Not going to be, uh, that damn too. Hey, it's not going to be, uh, they go get, hey, ain't no vanilla.

They're going to get you a lot. Hey, they go, hey, Ocho, they go get you a lot of swirls. Hey, you go to basketball Robbins. It ain't flavor. There's coverages you go get. It ain't 31 flavors. There's 31 coverage. It's a different ball game.

It's a different ball game. It is. It is. It is. It absolutely. The intensity picks up. The urgency picks up. The coaches.

All that. All that, hey, the coaches, they're explaining things to you in a nice calm tone. That is out the window. Hey, and that's what, uh, uh, uh, uh, one of the coaches told me my rookie year. You know, we still cut. It just comes to season. That don't mean you can't get cut. Sometimes, you know, sometimes guys relax on your, who, man, made it out of trading

camp, mm-mm, they'll cut, week one, all the way, eh, all the way through week 17, 18, even, Hey, I've seen guys get cut in the post season. It could be your day. Damn, in the post season? Well, look here. Man, we are, hey, well, look here. They don't play, Ocho. Hey, look, Mike.

You know what? It might have been, like, it might have not have been the post season, you know, practice squad guys or something like that. But obviously, but, but I'm talking about big guys, late in the season. Oh, man. that's tough.

Mike Shannon had that play. It wasn't no loafing, it wasn't no walking. When he said, hey, I don't know how y'all did, don't you? But when we changed drills, oh, you had to get a move on. Got a little pepper, got to have a little pepher in your step, huh? Nobody walks but the mailman. That's why he doesn't make what you make. You run to where you got to go.

I like that. Okay. I like that. okay all right okay some people don't understand that and that's no disrespect to the mailman hey you guys do an unbelievable job we appreciate your service

although you don't kind of like with Amazon and all these other carriers they damn they'll put y'all out of business but this kid Jackson Darko I like what I'm saying now I'm like you I want to see him against a real competition Mm-hmm.

Hey, when you go, well, you got to, you got to make those alignments, those adjustments. Yeah. Defenses, I mean, linemen are stunting. Defense are disguising what they really want to do.

And at the snowboard, yeah, yeah. You might think it's cover one, or you might think it's cover three and all of a sudden they go, you go to, oh, man, it's so,

they go to quarter, they go to seven, they go to six, they go to six kick. Hey, have you, have, have you, have, they go to cover five. Have you gone out there fried? Yep. Clouding it.

Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Them jocles be out there. Banjo in it. Banjo. But I, hey, Joe, I would look, because, you know, I'd be, I'd be trying to let, hey, because that was way, they'd be out there doing this right here.

That means they're going to, they're going to double somebody. I'm like, it never really dawn on me that what the sick, you know, I've just, I'm just, I'm just out there like what the right right right or you know you see them do that locking it hey so i just got a kick out of that when people say hey man it don't matter it don't matter uh uh uh uh if you know what they do the hell you say you let me know y'all gonna be a couple let me know y'all gonna be a quarters a single high safety

or six kick the hell you say Bad please. But Tommy DeVito, Ocho, Tommy DeVito, 17 to 20, a buck 93, three tons. Jackson Dart came in, 6 or 12, 81 yards, a tub. James Winster came in 4-8, mop-up 47 and a ton. This might be the second team. We talk about a team carrying four quarterbacks.

This might be another team that might carry four. I don't think so, Coach. Because, you know why? because James is making 4 million Russ is making good money Russ is making how much money Ash 10, 15? See, it's not like Cleveland

because what you call going to make him 5 million Kenny Pickett's making what he's making and then you got two rookies. So what's you're saying? What's you saying? Who's the odd man out then? Oh, so he got one year 10, 5,

which is probably as much as a flack and pick it, making together. And then you throw James's four million a year, because I think he did two years, nine million, so four and a half. So you look at that $15 million between two quarterbacks.

So I mean, I mean, so who's the opposite? I don't think. You think they keep Tommy? Well, obviously, you know, they're not getting real Jackson dark. You think they keep Tommy DeVito? Or they release him and try to sign it back to the practice squad? Probably sign it back to the practice squad, but I see them doing the same thing that

that the Browns are probably going to do. For some reason, for some reason, I just do. And then we talked about James Winston. You heard, you heard personnel or, was that the owner that came out and said, absolutely not. He's not going nowhere? And I talked about James Winston. You're talking about Mayor or John, man?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh-uh. Great locker room presence. Great team guy. Nah. I knew, I knew James wasn't going nowhere. absolutely not but uh but 4210 you don't want to go out on a note like that but you know ohcho you and i we talked about this early in this week unfortunately a lot of kids dreams i say

kids the kid they're old enough to be my kids old enough to be they're younger well let me take that back they're young enough to be our kids yeah i'm pretty sure i'm older than most of their moms and dads. But with that being said, a lot of these young men dreams come to an end tonight. Some will get an opportunity to go be on a practice squad somewhere else. Some might get an opportunity to go to Canada, playing the UFL. But for a lot of a mocho, the realization that this is over, something I've been doing since I was seven, eight years old, did it at the pee-wee level, did it the JV level, high school level, college level. My dreams and aspirations did not come to fruition.

That's tough. Because this is probably the first time, Mocho, that someone has told these young men, you're not good enough. Think about it. They've always been the best. They were their best on their Pop Warner. They were best on their flag football team.

The JV football team. Their high school basketball, a football team, their college. and then it's a numbers game, you're not good enough. That's the realization of, Ocho, that's the realization of it. I mean, I'm not trying to be, Chad, I'm not trying to be dramatic because I know what it's like to be on pins and needles, that last game, that last preseason game, and your name is on the board to be released.

Matter of fact. My name was on the board to be released. Let me tell you. Let me tell you, what about the last preseason game? I'm talking about when we were playing. The last preseason game, I remember I would be walking in. And the person who did the cutting and letting players know as they come in the building was lippy, lipping cot. I'm not, I don't know if he's still with the bangles or not.

And I would always come in early after the preseason game and come in, hit the cold tub, hit the hot tub, get my body back, get my body back rejuvenated and fresh. And I would see Lippie standing there right at the dough. And just thinking to myself, man, so he's collecting the playbook and letting you know to go up and see the coach before the meetings even start. I'm like, man, that's tough, man. And then hard knocks, hard knocks, hard knocks made it a reality and allowing people to see people actually, you know, get cut. And how that's fitness and how that side of it works.

and it's as heartbreaking is sad that it is, it's the reality of the game. That's reality. We got to show you both sides. You just see the plug guys making plays, scoring touchdowns, to come rotary on the field and the meeting rooms and things like that.

But there's another side to this. That somebody, some young man, men, their dreams, this dream is not going to come true. and you have to reshift, refocus. A lot of it, you know, you're disciplined because you have to be somewhat disciplined to play football because you got, you know, you got study hall,

you got when you work out, you got practice, when you got to be there for the plane ride, when you got to be there for the bus ride, how you have to dress. So there's a certain level of structure in a lot of these young men lives. So, you know, some, you know, a... structure is

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Pro Bowler. Last year, He's a pro bowler. He's number 80 on this year's NFL top 100. You were 50 last year, Rishon, despite making the pro bowl last year. They have you down 30 spots. I want to know what is Roshan Gary going to do to get back into that top 50, get back into that top 30, maybe even get up into the top 20. Well, you got to see in two weeks.

You know, we got a great home over. You know, against the line. Let's go. Yeah, you know, got a great home, but her, you know, against the line. Lions, NFC, you know, rivalry. So it was a nice way to start the season. I was going to work this show. So I would have a quick question for you.

Camp is over now. Obviously, I'm sure you guys have a week to work with some things. Packers versus Packers before you get into a game planning scheme for week one. How was camp for you? How is the body holding up? How do you feel? Are you going into camp healthy? I mean, I'm going.

Oh, yeah, no, this is, it was, yeah. Yeah, it's crazy, because I was just talking, you know, my teammate, Kenny, about it. I'm like, you know, going into year seven, it's one of the, you know, the healthiest camps that I have. So, you know, I'm feeling good, you know, from OTAs all the way through now, I've been putting in a great body at work. And now it's just time to, you know, put it on display. Yes, sir. You guys don't play a game for another two weeks. Is Coach LaFleur going to give you guys some time off?

Are you back on Monday or do you get Sunday? You get Monday. You guys are back in there Tuesday. or you're going to get a little time off before you have to hit it and start getting ready for the lions in two weeks. Yeah, you know, we got a couple of practices coming up next week, but, you know, we got the weekend off and then back to work on Sunday. Damn, y'all back to work on Sunday already.

Damn, I figure Coach LaFlew and get y'all a couple of days off, y'all. You're like, well, damn, Coe, we've been out, we had a good camp. The Packers, your defense. I mean, you mentioned Kenny Clark. I'm assuming you're talking about Kenny Clark. Now, you lost your cornerback, your all-pro quarterback, you trade, you released him, and he ends up going to Baltimore. How do you guys, because you guys have shown spots where you guys are dominant.

I'm talking about dominant. You attack the quarterback, you stopped the run, you turn the team over, you give your offense short fields. How do you stay consistent in doing that, Rishan? Yeah, just holding our standard. Everybody got to do their 111. And throughout OTAs, especially, you know, being year-to and, you know, a co-shaft system.

It's been crazy watching everybody fly to the ball, attack the ball, and actually being on one to court, you know, talking about first all the way to fourth down, get back on track downs, we're all on the same page, all speaking the same language, and, you know, it's been good seeing it. For you guys, especially the Packers, opening up with a game like this against the Lions is a good test for you guys defensively, obviously,

whether it be on the ground, whether it be in the air, because you understand the dynamic and how special the Lions' office is, Even with Ben Johnson leaving, they still have all those weapons, you know, Jemir Gibbs and Montgomery, you know, the receivers on the outside, tight in. Your thought process going into it early so far, what is it that you think you guys need to do to win that game come week one from a defensive standpoint? I already know what you guys can do on offense. Defensively, can you be able to hold them? I'm not sure where the Lions finish when it comes to scoring, but you know they can put up points.

Yeah, absolutely. Just like I was saying, we've been doing a great job through OTAs and camp of being on the same page, speaking the same language, understanding what teams want to do to us, especially our offense and these last couple joint practices, really being on the same page

to how these offensive teams want to attack us. I understand our weak points. And I'm saying when I'm 11 know that, we understand how to protect it. So it's basically being on the same page. And when it comes to that game, right at 3 o'clock, we've got to be locked in, focus,

and I want to court how we've been and just having fun. Okay, one more question, huh? One more question, huh? Go ahead. I know your team goals. You got team goals, obviously, from a defensive perspective, team goals, offensive and decently. Obviously, the main goal you want to be in San Francisco

at the end of the season, first week of February. But personal goals, your personal goals, yourself, that you will want to achieve. Can you share with us, you know, whatever it may be? Yeah, I could just show you my, you know, shit a little into my mindset, man, just trying to be dominant, man. I've been training the hardest off season. Really just shine takeover.

Like I said, one through fourth downs, man. That's what I'm playing for. And really just shine to show everybody, you know, how dominant I can be. Rishon, you're the vet now. There is no more Aaron Rogers. There is no more Jahe Alexander. You're one of the old guards now. So now, how has your leadership style change?

Because guess what? You're one of the senior voices now. Yeah, you know, it's been great, man. something that you know you always pray for or ask for and um you know it's crazy you know we got rookies coming in talking about i used to watch you before my high school games i'm like man yeah so you know it's kind of weird but uh i've been having i've been having fun and uh green babe been doing a great job especially from when i came in with the guys they had ahead of me uh being able to keep it real with me especially a big guy to me was Mercedes lewis so you know

talking to him how to take care of my body things like that so when you know young guys come up to me, asking me how to film study, what to look for, things like that. I'm able just to keep it real, because I had a good OG. But, man, it's just been fun, man. I'm really a lead-by, you know, example. And if I need to speak, I'll get there. But then also I started to learn that, you know, you can't talk to everybody the same way. You know, you got to understand, you know, everybody's background. You're dealing with. Yeah, you know, everybody's background, you know, why everybody's in it. And I feel like, you know, this all season, especially through OTA's camp, you know, I've been able to understand people-wise. So when it do get time, you know,

two-minute drill, the fourth quarter, when we got lock-in. And, you know, I could hit those points. Hey, what's it like there in Green Bay? Is there anything to do? Is it fun? You know, it's chill with calm. You know, yeah, play football, man, and focus, man. But, man, it's chill calm.

Green Bay, you know, slept on. But, you know, it's a great community and it's well, love. Okay, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you got Milwaukee, you got Chicago. That's a couple, that's 90 minutes away. You got Milwaukee, that's 90 minutes away. So, but it's easy to play.

My brother played there for seven years, Rashon, and, you know, going to visit him. You can see why they had success in the 60s. Ain't nothing else to do. There was less to do then than there is now, but you can understand why the Packers have success. There's not a whole lot to get into. There's not a whole lot of trouble.

There's not a, look, if you, Appleton is down the way, but that's a college town, like I mentioned. Milwaukee, but hell, Milwaukee closed down at 10.30. You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago. you ain't really tried to drive away to Chicago to have a good time. Hey, when you're there for those months, when you come back for training camp and you're there,

hey, bro, let's make the best of this situation. We can get tunnel vision. We can lock in. Let's try to go compete and win a Super Bowl. And that's the mindset. That's how it's always been being a Green Bay Packer. Let me ask you this. If there are a play that you replay,

if there's almost sack, if there's almost a ball that was on the ground, that damn, if I could have just got this one, it would have helped, if there a play that you replay in your mind since you've been in green bait, that you're like, man, if I'd have made that play, that would have been a difference in the game? To be honest, which you know, now have the top of my head, but, you know, I played too hard to give it up, man.

I'm going on year seven and like a lot of guys I talk to, you know, you can't take it for granted. And right now I'm in some crucial years where I feel like, you know, I can take off and start extending it in the right way. Hey, hey, it's flying by, huh? Do you realize you in year seven already? it went by fast, isn't it? Yeah, it's going to buy fast. Like I said, I'm trying to stay in the moment

and, you know, enjoy the ride. Oh, yeah. It is because you look up and you're going to be in year 10 and because, you know, you're like, man, let me get five. And you say, well, let me get the 10. And then once you get the 10,

you're like, let me take a year at a time. But before you know it, I mean, I woke up one morning. I'm like, damn, I mean, year 10. And next day you know, hey, calling Mike said, hey, this is it for me, bro. I'm done. It goes fast. And that's why I tell guys, man, enjoy it.

Make sure you're training, you're eating, your prep, everything. Because you don't want to have not one iota of regret. Because regret, when you leave this game, you can't go back. And so to have that moment of regret for the rest of your life, it'll eat at you. So when you're done, Rashon, when you're saying, hey, Green Bay, hey, Lefleur or Goudicants or whomever you got to call and says, I'm done. Hopefully you finish your career in Green Bay. You look back, it's like, man, I gave it everything I had.

The way I trained, the way I slept, the way I practiced, the way I met, the everything, I walk away with my head held high, knowing I couldn't have got anything else out of the talent that God bless me with. Hey, it's a good one right here too, boy, it's a good one. So I think about obviously during my playing days and some of the players that I looked up to at the same position, obviously while we're still playing, I would watch their film and study some of the things that they did

and steal, you know, steal some of their moves, no matter where it, maybe just to be able to add to my game to improve year to year? Who are some players that play the exact same position you do that you look up to and watch their film to see what they do where you can add to your toolbox as well? Yeah, with me, it's funny, but I like going throwback. So, you know, I like throwing on Julius Peppers.

Yeah, Julius Peppers. Yeah, Julius Peppers. I love Tom Ali, Williamson, Kansas. to the Chiefs doing the same. Yeah, Justin Houston, you know, those are guys that I feel like I've read similar towards. And then nowadays, you know, you throw on, you know, Miles Garrett, you get you, you know, been in the edge of, you know,

T.J. Watt, but I ain't going to lie to the power guy. Yeah, speed the power, you know. But, you know, this year I've been doing a lot of watching myself, man. I like it. That's dope. Let me ask you this, because Ocho and I was talking and how we approach the game of football, how we approach as a wire receiver.

When you go into a game, obviously you're trying to get to the quarterback, but everything leads to something else. I'm showing him one thing, but that's not really what I want to do. I'm giving him this, but I really want to do that. But I'm saving it for a rainy day

because I know it's going to come a third down in this fourth quarter. And I know, hey, I've been running up the field the whole game. And I know, hey, I know I've been stabbing you the whole game. Hey, I've been posted and wiping him. you away the whole game. And I know you, I know you fin to sit on that because that's what I've given you. I've given you no reason to prepare for anything else. Is that how you approach the

rush game? Is that, look, I'm doing what I can, but I know I got to have this in my back pocket what I absolutely got to get this quarterback on the ground. Yeah, shoot. You know, thing about past rushes and every patch rush I talk to, man, you, you know, all the great ones, you really got about four moves in the toolbox. And at the end of the day, it's, really by reacting of what the, you know, the officer in lineman wants you to do. But once you get off the ball the same way and you, you know, God, I'm thinking, oh, he about to stab him, about to stab him. Yeah, I stab you the first four or five, maybe six horses.

But, you know, that third, you know, crucial down, you know, third in ten, third and eight, we got to go off the field. I might just sit you down at the edge. But, yeah, it's a game. It's a game within the Lange. I both know that. It absolutely, it's a beautiful thing to watch the guys, because, you know, I'm a lot older than you. I'm probably the age of your

dad. But the past rushes to watch D.T. how he got off the edge and bent the edge. He reminds me of Vaughn Miller. And then I see Reggie White how he just had pure power. He's just getting on the edge and he's going to hump you. You already

know what's coming. You can sit down as much as you want to. You're 3.30 and try to sit on it. You're going to get humped. He's going to throw a 330-pound man like he's a sack of potatoes. And then you get a guy like a Bruce Smith, that's 265, 270, all out like a Miles Garrett,

playing on a five technique, and you're like, bro, how this man bend the edge like that? How can he lean? He's this high off the ground, Richard. I'm like, how? How does he do that? I'm watching you. You got a lot of power.

I see the way you're built from waist down, and the way you can post a guy, wax on, wax him off. You can also bend the edge. As you mentioned, you can convert speed to power because you can't. It's all about getting off the ball. Once I get off the ball, you at my mercy, bro. As long as I'm not lazy off the ball,

Bobby, you can't. Hey, it's going to be a good night. You'll actually be right. So let me ask you a question. A lot of guys will listen to the TV version. They'll get the TV version. and they'll try to pick up the quarterback's cadence. Blue 17, Blue 17.

Ready said? Do you do things like that, trying to pick up the audio copy, try to pick up the field copy? Yeah, absolutely. I'm in the, you know, the quarterback, I'm into the quarterback cadence. I'm also in the, I'm heavy on the office and line talk.

The office and line will tell you everything. Let you know if it's a run. You know, how long are they communicate. How you're sitting? how they sit in, eyes, body language. Yeah, I'm into it all. But especially once I hear the office alignment, you know, talking, they kind of be able to, you know, for my reason,

everything, I'm kind of able to pick it up and play faster. Especially when you're at home because it's hard for them to hear. So they've got to communicate. And as much as he's trying to look at you, he got to look. But now they kind of hold hands a little bit, but he's still got to kind of look inside. And, hey, all you need is a half a stuff. step. That's all you need.

It ain't no, hey, ain't no, look, these guys are good. You ain't just fend to just beat these guys. But that half a step that you get, that you get on the edge, and once you get them shoulders, hey, once he turn, tell you. Bro, you're not fend to ride me up the field.

I'm going to get skinny and I'm going to get narrow because I'm going to get the quarterback on the ground. Yes, sir. So, before the 2019 draft, you funded your own Sports Agency, the Roshan Gary Sports. What inspired you to do something like this? Going to

Michigan, being able to sit in, you know, at Ross Business School, I had a couple of classes. I was blessed and fortunate to have a couple of classes in there. And just, you know, actually talk about, you know, business models, marketing. I actually got to, you know, talk about life after football. And it's something that, you know, I really

never thought about it. And I'm like, you know, we could be real. You know, football is the biggest thing. This is not going to stop. It's only going to get bigger and bigger and keep growing and growing. So I'm like, you know, when I get old and then when I do hang my cleats up, you know, how can I, you know, stay around, you know, the game, you know, give the game the young guys, especially in positions where, you know, I wish I would have had growing up.

And then also to leave a legacy, you know, for my kids, kids and hopefully they kids. So we're just trying to build it, become a powerhouse. I like that. That's dope. That's dope. Let's see the market. Rashon, you do realize that division you end. You got the Packers.

They won 14 games last year. You got the Lions. They won 15 games last year. You got the Bears, and many believe they're much improved with the addition as Ben Johnson as their head coach. They've added pieces on the offensive line to protect Caleb Williams. Defense seemed to be flying around on the D.C., Dennis Allen and yourself, the Packers, you guys made the playoff.

Jordan Love had the surgery on his left hand, but everybody says he's good to go. What does the Packers need to do to win this division? get a home game and say, hey, let whatever happens happen after that. We got to go out there and we just got to play practice ball. Like I said, we've been growing up from OTAs through camp. I'm talking about even finishing the pregame, I mean, preseason on a high note. You know, we just got to keep everything flowing. Like I said, especially on defense, we've been speaking the same way with it.

I've been seeing the offense, you know, do their thing, connecting. Even with special teams, you know, the guys is flying down. Understand that's a very crucial part in an important. part of the game. So all we got to do is be consistent and all. I mean, I have the mindset to go one and no every week. Yeah, let me ask you this. At practice, do you, if you see something from like your offensive line, like, bro,

that's a tale. I can tell when you run the ball. I tell when you're passing the ball. I can tell how you're trying to set me up. Do you guys communicate like that? Do they tell you, hey, Rashon, bro, I, hey, you gave this move away. Do you guys communicate like that with one another? Oh, yeah, that's iron, sharp, and iron, especially when I'm trying to work on something.

I'm big on that. I'm talking about both of my tackles coming to me, like, what bother you? So, of course, I'm going to tell them everything I don't like to do so I can work on it in practice. And vice versa, you know, me working on certain moves, okay, you telegraph that, man, if you would have sold it up an extra step, you feel me, or, oh, you got me on that move. I'm like, I, you know, keep working things like that. But, yeah, it's iron sharp and iron practice. And me, with holding information for season, that's not going better the team. So I'd rather make it hard on me now.

So for the guys that do give it the winning season, I can play a little bit faster. Oh, man, that's great. Man, thank you, Roshan, for joining us, man. Stay healthy. Best of luck. Hey, this year you was, what, hold on, let me find out where you were.

You were number 80. Man, you dropped 50, you down 30 spots. So when we come back and have this conversation next week, next year, you've got to be in the top 30. You've got to be 30 above. Well, 30 or below. It's going to be great talking to you then. Thank you, bro. Best of luck. Stay healthy. Good luck to the pack of this season. And we're going to talk to you down the road.

Appreciate you. Thank you. It's an honor. Appreciate you, bro. Have a good one. All right. Rishan Gary, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Dan. He's Ty. And we're the Solid Verbal College Football Podcast. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. Join us all season long as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport.

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