Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL Week 11 Part 1: Shedeur Named QB1, A.J. Brown DRAMA, & Fields BENCHED!

Episode Date: November 19, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL storylines of the week! The guys react to Shedeur Sanders’ NFL debut against the Ravengs. Unc and Ocho also dive deep into the A.J. Brown drama and debate whether the Eagles should consider trading him. Plus, they analyze the Jets’ ongoing struggles with Justin Fields and what it means for New York’s future. 0:00 - Browns vs Ravens30:16 - Lions vs Eagles54:06 - Jets vs Patriots (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Dylan Gabriel got concussed in the third quarter and went out of the ball game, excuse me, and did not return. Shadur came in. Shadur's stats was four of 16, 47 yards, zero touchdown and interception. He had a couple of opportunities late to ball game. He had a couple of drops. He had a couple of drops. Look, and listening.

to, I found it on social media for Kevin Stafsky to say the first time that Shedura Sanders had taken a snap with the starters with the ones

was in this game is matter of practice. At no point in time and this is what I said at your soul at no point in time so you don't think Dylan Gabriel could possibly get hurt he can't possibly bring a knee

bring a shoulder get concussion there's no possible way anything could possibly go wrong that you want to get Shaduah were like one reps with the ones, two reps with the ones. I ain't saying split it 50-50. I understand that.

But even when John was taking the majority of the reps, John, if we did 10 reps in a period, the backup would take two. Just in case. So for Shador Sanders, here we are in week 11. The man got drafted in May. And at no point in time had he taken one snap

with the ones, it's very, very disappointing. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Look, not only is it disappointing, right? And a lot of people say, hey, listen, you and Uncle, you were screaming for Shador to start. You wanted to get in there and look at, look at the stat line. Look at, look at what he did. Well, obviously, I'm confused and I'm trying to understand. This ain't madden. You don't just, you don't just take out one quarterback and put another quarterback in and expect success to happen, especially when you haven't had any reps with the ones. When it comes to the play calling, when it comes to the play calling,

And what play calls are you going to be able to call for a quarterback that hasn't had any reps with the ones? You don't know what he does well. What he doesn't do? You don't know what he does well. You don't know what he's not going to be good at because there's no chemistry. There's no chemistry. So you just out there calling play is all willy-lily, not knowing how the offense can run. And I know as a quarterback you're supposed to be, you're supposed to be prepared.

You're supposed to know if the opportunity to present itself, you've got to be able to, to go in there and do what you can do. But, like, come on, no, no reps at all? Let me ask you a question. No, no reps on? No, but let me ask you this. Normally on Saturday, Dylan, on Sunday morning,

Dylan Gabriel will tell Stefanski these are the things that I really like. Every quarterback does that. Every quarterback does that, huh? Every quarterback does that. So do you think he had any idea of the plays that should do it likes? or he's just going to call plays just oh here's my play sheet and I'm calling because you build your play you build your play sheet around the quarterback and what he likes what he's good what he's good at what you know he's good at you don't even know what should do he's good at now it's going to be very interesting look at this play now you got you got three guys blocking one guy and somebody about to come in and here should do a damn his mouth now what should have happened it was a redirect you slide the line to the left and now guess what

You got the guard or the center to hit that guy that's looping around, and now you're protected. But, hey, the old line is going to have to make calls until your door gets, get, get, get, catch up. Get in the group of thing. He's not there right now to say, no, no, no, no, no. I want you to go here. Hey, redirect, redirect.

Let's Liz this. Let's Liz this. Let's Lucy this. Now we're going to slide the line to the left. Now we're going to take, hey, you only got one guy rushing on the right. Why the hell we got three guys? and now we got a guy to come in here

and try to put his helmet up under Shadoors' chin. So it's going to be very interesting this week. I'm sure Gabor is going to be in protocol. We'll see if he, if Shadour's going to get the start

against, I think they play the Raiders, I think they play the Raiders. We'll see if he gets to start against the Raiders. And he'll get an opportunity to take all the reps, all the ones, and Stefanski will have an idea

what he likes and will call plays accordingly. That's how it wants. And honestly, it's very important, too, for Stefanski to understand and know what his quarterback likes to do because it allows you to call plays and put them in advantageous situations for you. It just makes your job easier.

It just makes your job easier as a head coach and for a quarterback to know what he likes so the offense is able to run smooth. I mean, it's really easy. It's not about Dylan Gabriel, it's not about Shador's Santa. it's about putting our players in positions for them to succeed and give us our best chances to win. That's all.

I give you a prime example, Ocho, when I wasn't the starter, my first couple of years, they would put me in the game. But when I came in the game, guess what? I know we're going to run. Because they say, okay, when you come in the game, this is what we're running. This is going to be your opportunity to make a play. They got a small cornerback. we're going to throw the fade. I don't care what the coverage is.

We're going to go to fade. We're expecting you to go up over the top of it. Okay, in this situation, we're going to bump this coverage. If they bump with it, that means there's main coverage. You're going to be one-on-one, inside leverage, linebacker with inside leverage. So we're going to call a play where you're breaking away. So I knew. Now, if I'm just like all of a sudden going to game and they're not calling plays for me,

I just got, I just, well, now, quarterbacks always, you go listen to Brady, you Go listen to Mani, go listen to Breeze and any of these quarterbacks. They say, me and the offensive coordinator, we went over Saturday night or day on the game, this is what I really like. Normally it's Saturday night, and you come and say, okay, so what do you like? So Brady and Mani would say, I got these, well, Mani called his own thing. So let's do Brady Breeze and all these other guys. This is like, this is what I like.

This is what I like. really, really like. Now, this is what I like, hey, in this area of the field, this is what I like in the red zone. This is what I like out of this personnel. Because I feel out of this personnel, we're more likely to get this coverage,

which gives us a benefit or that gives us an advantage. So all that's going through the mind. But for a quarterback, oh, Joe, not to get no reps. I'm talking about none. He said it. Yeah. See, and I was like,

I mean, listen to Mary Kay Cabin and listen to people there, they're saying Shadour is not getting any reps. As a matter of fact, Bailey, it'll be very interesting. Somebody should have asked him. Well, let me ask you this, Coach Safi, did Bailey Zappi get any reps with the ones? Because it makes no sense. If Bailey Zappi is getting reps with the ones,

and then why would you put Shadour in that situation? Why not have Bailey Zappi is to? Yeah, and that's funny. And you know what, the piggyback of what you said about quarterbacks, you know, having those conversations with coaches before game start on plays that they're comfortable with and some of the things that they want to do. For one, especially early in the game to get him in the rhythm,

and you mentioned Brady, and hell, I was there, I was there for that. I've seen it with my own eyes. I've seen it the night before, in the hotel on Saturdays, before when the meeting ends, Bill O'Brien, the receiver in the time Brady, sit there, they go over the plays that he likes. And Bill O'Brien will run off plays, he'll call off plays, and Brady, you know what, I don't like that one. You know, let's say that one, you know, for later on the game

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We said this is an 80-themed party. Don't you bring your ass in here without a wig, without an Afro and some platform shoes on those choice of bellboggles? You know what I'm saying? This is not your party. So you call plays accordingly because if the quarterback is telling you what he likes in certain situations, he's going to feel the most comfortable when you call that. He's going to be the most assured of himself and the offense if you call that. I'm glad, like I said, hopefully, Dylan Gabriel is okay.

First of all, let's start with that because I'm not big and hoping somebody gets hurt and somebody else gets an opportunity. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes players go down and then other players get their opportunity. That's how Brady got his opportunity. Someone went down and he made the most of it. I got my opportunity. Someone went down and I made the most of it.

But, you know, in order to seem like in order for sure you do it to get in, Dylan Gabriel had to get dinged. Hopefully he's okay. Maybe he comes back. Maybe he comes back this week and we're back to square one-o. Dylan Gabriel's in there taking all the ones and we move forward. We don't know. We'll see how this thing plays out if he's still in protocol.

But I think now that you're in a situation where, there's a great chance I believe there's a greater than 50% chance that you're going to start because I don't care what anybody says you prepare differently as a starter than you do a backup. Not only do you prepare differently

from the start to the backup but the play calling changes significantly. The play calling completely changes completely different game playing depending on who you have a quarterback based on their skill sets and what they're able to do. I totally agree.

But, you know, things are a lot faster down in the NFL than they are in college. Guys move faster. You got to throw guys open. I like that guy. He threw the fanning, the tight-in 44 on the crosser on the dagger route. I thought he'd throw that with timing. He hit Jew with one and Jew made a great move. He had another one, a couple of guys dropped one.

84 had one in his hand, but give a Woozade credit. He's pulled out. Great play. That was a great play. That was a great play. But when you have a young player in there, having been in situations where you're the veteran guy and you have a young guy and you have to make plays for him,

you understand that he's nervous. I don't care what anybody says, he's nervous. I've been here before I've been doing this all my life. You ain't been doing it on this level all your life. You ain't did it like this with those guys all your life. So hopefully he gets an opportunity, another opportunity. He'll be better prepared than he was. and we'll get a different result.

Also in this game, Miles Gary. Hey, man. Hey. He's the real deal. He is. He's going to break. He got seven games to go. So he needs eight sats to break the record.

And he might very well get that. He might very. And don't they got the Ravens again? Hey, he might. They got the Raven. Hold on. I think they got Pittsburgh. They got Choll again.

Yeah. He's going to get that on show. He definitely might because he had three today, right? Did he have three or four? Yeah. They got at the Raiders. They get the 49ers Titans at home. They're at the Bears.

They get the bills at home. They get the Steelers at home. They get the Bengals on the road. Now the best matchup at everybody you said will be probably will be a matchup to watch will be Miles Garrett and Dion Dawkins. Miles Garrett and Dionne Dawkins. Now, everybody else on there, and there's no disrespect to them, but you got your hands full. Oh, everybody got the hands full.

You got your hands full. And obviously, what's you called? Big Trent got his hands full too? Oh, yeah. Oh, shoot. That's right. That's right. Yeah, everybody got the hands full.

Colton Miller, everybody. Because he kicked everybody out. He's on one of those. He's on one of those stairs right now. It doesn't matter who's in front of him. He doesn't even see you. He doesn't even see you. I'm being honest.

Having been around, having played against great pass rushers, the Reggie White, the Bruce Smith, the Derek Thomas, I played against Leslie O'Neill. Go look him up and you don't know. The Greg Townsend, all those guys, the Michael Scrayhands, when they get into a rhythm, yeah, it ain't nothing you could do. Nothing you could do.

It's just like a guy shooting the basketball, like Jordan, they say Jordan getting a zone or Steph getting in the zone. Does it matter if you put your head? You know, they put the hand in his face. like he can't see. He ain't even looking at you. He's looking at the real. And he's storing a pebble in the ocean.

That's how big it looks to it. There's a chance, Ocho. It happened. I don't think it's happened since 92. When Cortez Kennedy won the defensive player of the year on a losing team. I think they were two and 14. And Tans won the defensive player of the year.

That might happen. Because right now, Miles Gair, is the best defensive player in football. Easily. I mean, without question. I mean, he is so, man, he is so for a man, his size to move like he does, the way he can bend, the way he can change the direction, the way he can post with one arm, the way he can, hey, he faking, I mean, he lined it up and he, ah, ah, he in and out, he's wax on, wax off, he ripping, he bending the edge, he can hump you. He got a night, hey. He has, when it comes to, when it comes to rushing the quarterback, he has no weakness

because he can turn power, he can turn power to speed, speed to power, he just, he can snatch pull you, he's just, he's just amazing. He's, he's, and I just hate, I just hate that he ain't going to win, not in Cleveland. Listen, he might not win as a team collectively, but he's going to win individually. He's going to win individually every, every time. And sometimes in a winning effort defensively, sometimes in a losing effort. But what you get for Miles Garrett is you get consistency. You get consistency from him, and he's going to be an impact.

Sometimes that impact, it results and wins. Sometimes it doesn't. But he's a force to be reckoned with week in and week out. And the thing is, Ocho, but when we talk about great defenders, when it comes to D-Limon, what did all of them do? win? Yeah. What did Reggie do? Yeah.

What did Strayhand do? What did L.T. do? What did Aaron Donald do? J.J. Watt? You've got, you've got to win. I'm not saying you've got to win a championship. I'm not saying you got to win that. But it's unfair.

You go in 3 and 14. You go in 5 and 12. But it's unfair. It's unfair. You have to think about the situation those, players, those players were in. You got to think about the teams that they were on collectively, you know, as a group. So they won because of the team that they were a part of.

There was an effort on both sides of the ball, you know, especially for Aaron Donald. Michael Strayhand, look at the defense back then. Look at the offense with Eli Manning. Some of the things they were doing, you know, during that time. Hell, Reggie White. But you got to realize, that Eagles team with Reggie White. Man? You got to think about what the Giants were before they got.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to realize what they, before they got, Kerry Collins and ended up going to the Super Bowl. They weren't going to, they weren't going to no playoffs in the 90s. They weren't like that. Hey, all it takes is the quarterback. Stray was doing his brain. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. But, and, and guess what? Reggie got tired of losing. Reggie said, I'm going to Green Bay. Yeah, the money. they had money but they had more money at other places

I want to win time said maybe Atlanta y'all trying to get me used to losing I want to win so at what point in time does Miles Garrett

said man here I am I'm getting 23 24 sacks and I ain't even I ain't even I ain't even sniffing the playoffs I'm not even close

to the playoffs that my season is already over think about it Ocho we ate 10 games into the season and Cleveland is already know they're eliminated from playing that's crazy that's crazy you six games six weeks into the season ocho we got ocho we got 11 12 weeks to go all right hey man let me see what let me see

what and and the funny thing about it is there were teams that tried to get him before the trade deadline there were teams that tried to get him and listen i don't i don't know the details i'm not an insider i don't i don't have the sources but you know the browns weren't going to do that i don't think there's anything a team could offer them they would have done it because I think a team that would be no no not now no I don't think I'd be personally I don't think he he wanted to leaving because he's on a great he's on a great pace right now I think that's something they might revisit in the because I'm going to make hey I'm going to make you tell me like beetle juice beetle juice

you're going to have to tell me no you know you got to tell me no you got to tell me no you got to tell me no because uh he's a man he's a hell of a he's a hell of a he's a hell of a he's a Hell of a, hell of a player. The real deal. And he got an opportunity. He's going to go down as one of the all-time great. But I want to see him. I want to see him on an all-time.

I want to see him on a big stage. I want to see him in an AFC or NFC championship game. I want to see him in the Super Bowl. I want everybody to see Miles Garrett. Not just, I want him to see just how special he is. And I have to see it watching highlights because you got to think about it. You know, as great as he is, I mean, How many people are tuning in to see the Cleveland Browns play outside of Brown fans?

Unless it's the team that they're playing, unless the team that they're playing that week is playing the Browns. That's about the only time. Yep. Going back to Shadour, Watt Teller said after the game, this is what he said. Why, tell us said on Shadour, I think I've heard it's cater like two or three times. I think it's going to come. I think going out at halftime, we all got on the line. He said it's cadence and we're kind of, okay, got through it.

Again, a lot of learning, but he played his heart out. We just fell short. Gabriel got practice snaps as a backup with Flacco at QB1. Stefansky wasn't even getting Shadour, his backup, at least minimal reps during the course of the week. I get Flacco to a certain extent, Ocho, because Flacco is a veteran. Gabriel isn't a veteran, and you want to try to get him as many reps as you possibly can. But at some point in time, I'm not saying you split it 50-50. I'm not even saying you split it 60-40.

But you can't find a way to get that man two reps in a period, Ojo? So the offensive line, the running backs and everybody can hear his cadence and understand that? Because that's very important. Some people have a slow cadence. Some people have a fast cadence. And you need to be able to hear it. So I was surprised that Stephansky said that, since the man, got drafted. You know, they had the draft.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know how long ago it was. And today is, the day is Sunday. It's 16th. November 16th, June, July, August, September, October, November. But you have to understand. The first time that man got first team reps was today in an actual game against a division. But you have to understand that that wasn't their call.

That is not the player that they wanted. They had, they had their mind made up. They had their mindset on who they wanted to be, you know, quarterback number one. Obviously, it was Joe Flacko when things didn't work out. with Joe Flacco, they were going to Dylan Gabriel as their, as their quarterback. Yes. They did, they, they just didn't see Shador Sanders in their plans, you know, now that, that's their business.

That's, that's the way they felt. Now things have come to a head where Dylan Gabriel went out with a concussion, hoping, I'm hoping he's okay. And he can get back to the regularly scheduled program for the Browns, being that he is the one that they wanted to be their starter. So I'm hoping he's okay and he's able to come back once he clear concussion protocol. But now, if. Dylan Gabriel is out.

Now Shadour has a whole week. He has a whole week to get all those things down to get that rhythm, to get that timing, get that chemistry with the receivers, with the linemen so they can hear that cadence and understand, understand, you know, the sound and how he's going to call plays in the huddle and obviously at the line of scrimmage. Let's take a listen to what Shadur had to say after the game,

but it's different when there's different body types going out there, different way how people get out of, routes. Like what I seen on the pick initially was I see his hips turn. So I'm like, okay, we're going to be able to get out there. But at the same time, like playing quarterback is extremely hard. So it's like I like knowing every detail about my receivers. I like knowing small things with the good at, what they're not good at. It's like so many details that that helps me play confident with those guys. And I know, you know, we at the bottom right now.

This performance, everything, it will never be like this. But, you know, I'm dedicated to being able to get those opportunities with those guys to have a relationship. You know, I got a relationship with all the hungry dogs, though. We let clockwork out there. But you just got to see everything a little bit more, you know, like them come out, rouse them, do all different type of stuff. You want to go to the next sound before we respond to this? Let's take a listen to what Miles Garrett had to say about your door after the game.

Don't be discouraged from, you know, one drive or two drives. It's a good football team over there. So just, you know, trying to keep him to, you know, keep his confidence high. And, you know, keep on chasing that. standard in which he set, and we're going to continue to support him. He spoke after the game, and, you know, he wanted to pin it on, you know, himself and his performance, but we're not going to allow him to do that. No, it's a team game, so we're all on this together.

I said he addressed the entire team in the locker, right? Yeah. Hey, you know what, too, Unk, as a receiver, and, Uncle, you're going to test this and with great understanding, and those you in the chat that are listening, I don't think they understand. and how important it is to have a cadence with your receivers to understand and to work with them, you know, throughout the week. So to understand their movements, you know, their tendencies and when they're going to break, when they're going to get out

and being able to be able to throw the ball. I think people think you just get out there and you just throw the ball to your receivers and it's just that easy. It's just that easy. But there's a timing and cadence to it and rhythm to it that that's why you always hear players talk about throwing with your quarterback in, you know, in the offseason.

and throwing with them in practice and getting those reps so everything flows smooth in the middle of a game when everything is spared up times 10 and you can tell and you know when the player's about to break based on his mannerism,

based on his body language and I think people watching the game of football thinking it's just so easy. You know, you get the ball and you just throw it and the guy has to get open but that's not the way it works when you have other players.

Everything is easy that you can't do. Huh? Everything is easy that you can do. Oh, yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you do. Those that can't talk about others that can do. Yeah, you, you're right. You're right.

Let me ask you a question, Ocho. You played with Tom Brady. Do you think Tom Brady would allow some receiver that he didn't throw to during the course of the week to be out there on the field with him on Sunday? No, because he wouldn't trust you. Thank you. Neither with Peyton Manning, neither with John Elway.

because if there's a chance that you're going to get your ass in the game, you best believe John Elway was going to see you run a dig or uncut, an overrout, a slant, a comeback, a stop, a smoke, a shake. He's going to see you do it in practice. And guess what?

When it comes time to one-on-one, guess what? He's going to say, hey, no, don't wear A, T. Let him get up there. I want to see what we can do. I've been with you for seven years. I've been with you for eight years. But he's going to want to see

what those guys can do because if I got to go out there and battle with you on Sunday, I need to know I can trust you. I need to see some matterisms. Hey, you tell him, bro, let me know when you're going to break out. Bro, I got to know when you're going to break out. You just can't do that. Make sure you get your debt. Hey, I can't, I can't listen.

This is 7-on-7. I can't be, pardon the language, chat. I can't be back here jacking his ballwalk, which means he can't be. All that patting, you get your head knocked off. Oh, no. You get your head knocked off. No, no. He can't do that.

And you hear me saying, guys, what y'all think this is? Seven on seven? No, that ball's got to come out. One, two, three, balls out. One, two, three, four, five balls out. So to ask your door to get in a game in which he has not taken any snap from the center, he hasn't thrown to Judy. He hadn't thrown to any of those guys and expect him to work a miracle.

We're not making excuses. But look, as time progresses, he gets more and more time, we'll be able to fairly grade him on his. his performance. But I think it's unfair to give him a grade. If I were to give him a grade, I would say incomplete. Incomplete.

Hey, listen. Hey, hold on. We ask him to take attention. Without studying. Without studying. I mean, that's unfair. Listen, if you're going to give me an assignment, right, at least give me the curriculum, give me the curriculum that I can properly study

so I can pass the goddamn test. That's all. Make it fair. Make it fair for me. Just don't throw me. Hey, don't throw me out there blind. I give you a chat. I don't know how many of you guys went to college.

I don't know how many, I'm sure a lot of you guys went to high school. Imagine short of your first day of class and the teacher gave you a test. And you don't know what the hell it's on. No, no, no, no, no. You know the class, the class, you're in the history class.

You're in a science class. You're in a chemistry class. And the first day you show up, and you go, Whoa, whoa, what did you do that at? Damn. Hell, you didn't even give me the syllabus. You didn't even tell me what we're going to be going over this quarter, this semester.

Hold on, I'm for an act like we're in church now. Go ahead. It's tough, chat. And look, y'all know me. I'm not big on excuses. You either get it done or you don't. But having played this game, having been a guy that's been in the situation, that's your door that didn't get a whole lot

of reps. But, and when you don't get a whole lot of reps, it's hard to have confidence going into a game. I can just imagine playing the quarterback position and having to go in the game when you're taking no reps. I've never thrown to Jerry Judy. The only thing I've thrown to Jerry Judy is Pat and Go

in warming up. I've never thrown to these guys. The center has never snapped me the ball. Because normally when I'm throwing Pat and Go, Ocho, they throw in the ball underhand. The ball boy's throwing me the ball underhanded. A center ain't doing that. The centers are down there, the line are down there working on some other stuff.

So until we come as a team to stretch, then they go do you know, we break up and they go do their thing until we come together and do 9-07 or whatever we're going to do. Or they got the individual peers and then we have our individual peers and then we

come together. But I just think the thing is that he just needs some time. He needs to work with that offense. They need to get his use to his cadence. Stephansky needs to call plays according to what his skill set and what he likes, what he feels comfortable in. I definitely think we'll see a better chador next week. If he starts, I guarantee you we'll see a better chador

than what we saw. It's all about preparation. It's all about preparation. It is. You know, it's one thing. When opportunity presents itself, if you're prepared, it looks different. You're a lot more confident. But if you don't know what to prepare for,

or don't have the tools at your disposal to be able to prepare for said tests, this is what you get. Exactly. Ocho, you ain't winning war without the proper weapons. So cannons and musket, nah, they ain't how they doing it now? They're doing it with drones.

So, hey, they, hey, they drop in buck, Bunker Busters from B-52s. A bunker buster? It's a whole, yeah, they got those bombs now, Ocho, you drop it because they, people, you know, they dug in the side of the cave, they drop them, and they,

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Oh, yes, she in. I don't. But that's being said, the Eagles win this ball game. They moved to eight and two with a 16-9 victory, and the Lions dropped to six and four. Ocho? Yeah. We're going to talk about this a little later,

but there was a meeting between A.J. Brown and the owner, Jeffrey Lurie. We'll talk about that. So chat, it didn't happen because, you know, y'all are going to get mad at Ocho and I for talking about it. Y'all going to say it didn't happen, although everybody has reported that. that it did happen. You keep telling Ocho and I, there's nothing going on.

But normally, players and owners don't have closed door meetings. That's no, I've never had a close. I did once I was retired, you know what I'm saying. But anyway, Ocho, the Eagles did what they needed to do. Jalen Hurts was 14 to 28, 135 yards, no touchdowns, no interception. Again, he didn't turn the ball over. He had one fumble, but they ended up recovering it. Sequin was 26 of 83, nothing to write home about 40 rush attempts,

148 yards the wind was gusting I think probably excess of 30 40 miles an hour which made it difficult and knowing what you know having played in Cincinnati Baltimore Cleveland Pittsburgh where the wind swirls and it gets hard you know points are going to bring out a premium and we know how Dan Campbell is he's very aggressive but I thought the night didn't call for aggressiveness because points were going to be at premium and it wasn't going to be a ball game ohcho where you're going to get 31 28 35 34 something like that so points were going to be at a premium But what did you like about what you saw from? I mean, listen, they were resilient, huh?

They were resilient. Obviously, they weren't carried by the offense. The offense did just enough. A.J. Brown had somewhat of a down night. 11 targets. He had 11 targets. He cost seven of those. He had 49 yards.

I mean, Sequin, you know, had 26 carry for 83 yards, but the defense dominated, huh? The defense dominated, the fact that is explosive as the Detroit Lions offense is. I mean, they were held in check. check. They were held him to check. Golf was, golf was, what, 14 for 37? He had one TD. He had an interception.

They were able to hold Gibbs Sonic. Is Gibbs, Sonic? Yeah. Listen, they was able to hold him 12 carry for 39 yards. No, yeah, wait, hold on. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but he got it in the past. So he got, if you look at, Ochoa, he had

107 yards receiving, five carries, five catches. So he got his, he got his yards from scrimmage. He just didn't get him the way we conventionally used to see. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But that goddamn, that goddamn Eagles defense on, put them boy and play some goddamn balls, especially that front four.

Jordan Davis had him a night to night. Jaylon. How many balls did they bat down, Ojoe? Five, six, seven. Maybe, if I'm not mistaken, maybe about seven and eight. Maybe about seven and eight. Because Jordan Davis, I think I saw him get three. Carter got three, got two.

97 got one. I mean, every time I turn around, and it's so fussed, Freddie Ocho? Because you know, you're like, oh, yeah, I got it. Damn. Matter of fact, listen, and all it is is just being able to disengage. If you can't get to the quarterback, use your eyes, use your eyes, hold your, hold the off of the player out, and play the passing lane. Play the passing lane with your hands. And, you know, watch the quarterback's eyes. And it worked wonderfully. Jalen Phillips had a sack tonight.

And listen, in the back end, they played very well as well. They played really, really good. I mean, honestly, it was a boring game. It was somewhat of a boring game. It was a boring game. The elements played a factor in that. But I enjoyed it. And the fact that, no, offensively, the Eagles didn't look to par as we liked them to look, but they still got the most important stat.

They got the W. That's what they do. I mean, they don't, you know, there have been times they need to score 35 and they score 35. Sometimes they need to score 10. They score 10. They do what is necessary to win. And they don't put themselves in harm's way. I just felt that Campbell was rolling the dice a little bit too early too soon.

There are times that, you know, punt the ball away and pin them down, make them go to, don't give them a short field. Golf turned the ball over early. And I think they got three points out of that. But Detroit, they better get home field. Because anybody they could potentially play unless it's the Rams, they're going to probably be outside and the conditions you know what the conditions are there in January they're going to probably be like this maybe even worse so you don't know because when you when you look at the schedule let's see philly is the one seed probably only going to get one team out of that

division uh green bay chicago those are two teams that could possibly get in guess what ocho the weather is bad there. So Philly is bad. The Rams, Seattle, Seattle, you know, Seattle is terrible, although they lost today. We'll talk about them. But I just thought, look, it's a lot, it's tough. I could just imagine because Jalen has to answer questions, not about Detroit, but about AJ.

And it's, it's, it's starting to bother. Like, man, I want to focus on Detroit. Ask me something about Detroit. And it's hard because they're making a conscious effort. They're putting plays in the game plan to make me, I ain't going through my progression, throw it to AJ. Throw it to AJ. And that got golf into trouble because golf had a time

had to tie in on the shallow cross, but he's looking for oven raw. What happens on you a lot of times when the tight end blocks, they're taught unless the guy is covering him man, unless he's green dogging, he's taught, okay, start looking for crosses. start looking. And so what happened is that he blocked,

the linebacker is not green dog, which means he's not blessing. So he starts looking and dropping the coverage. He comes on the shallow cross, but ball. Yeah. But he's looking at Arm and Rob because he'd already made his mind up where he's going with the football. And it's hard to undo that.

And you see, Montgomery is jumping up in the damning in the middle of field like, I'm open. The tight end was Scott Free. you see golf playing with gloves on but I think it just got frustrating because he had some opportunities

and then they backed the ball right back down his face like we were playing volleyball and it's tough it was frustrating to watch but look the Eagles are going to look the Eagles they're not going to win style points

and winning is this is not gymnastics this is not swimming you know platform dime or anything like that where it's subjective no this is about wins and losses and how do we get the win is unimportant. The most important thing is that we got the win. Not how we got it. Is that we got it? And that's what the Eagles do, Ocho. The Eagles win. It ain't pretty. It's not pretty. And the one thing

it's also, when I'm thinking about a game like this, I'm thinking how Dan Campbell's thinking in a sense. You know what? I'm going to take some chances. I'm going to go forward on four down. You see if I can get those points in premium due to the elements and force the Eagles to play a different style of game. Forcing to play a different style of game and put the pressure on them to be able to put points up and keep up with us. To me, that, to me, that's the thinking

and the way Dan Campbell might have been thinking on how he wanted to play this game. Let's get up early on them and force him to be able to throw the ball. Let's make them uncomfortable. Let's do, let's put them in a position where they want to do something they don't want to do. And that's the only thing.

And the defense, they step up to the challenge. They step up to the challenge and play it extremely well. If you got LaPorteur, I give you that because he's a guy that can win against your linebackers against your safeties. So I'll give you that. But given what you're up against, considering the elements that probably 17 points would win you this ball games. The last thing you want to do is give away, give away field position and let them get easy points. If you, if they drive the field and they get a field, they get a field goal, if they drive the field and they get a touchdown, I can live with that.

I can't put them on a short field and get let them get one field goal. And now, excuse me, let them get one first down and now they're in field goal range. Or even if they don't score, they're going to have me backed up. And so now I'm constantly trying to swim up. I feel like a salmon spawning season. I feel like I'm swimming upstream and there's a lake full of bears. Every, every, hey, they get fooled because they have they got to eat all they can because they're about to go into hibernation.

And that's what happened to Detroit, is that they gave. the Eagles short fields, and even when they didn't score points, Ocho, it kept them backed up. And they just needed, they just needed to start one. I mean, they did a great job of stopping the touch push and got a short field, ended up getting a field goal out of it. And, but like I said, it had been very interesting to see if they don't call that PI call, can they go down and get a touchdown? I put it like this, I'm not putting no money that means something to me that they're going to

down and get a touchdown. You might put some money on it that means something to you that says, okay, yeah, Detroit's going to go down and get a touchdown. You know, what's funny is I don't, I don't think it would have made a difference, though. I don't think it would have made a difference. Whether it was a PR or not, I don't think they would have been able to get that touchdown as well as the damn Eagles played defense all night long, all four quarters. You know, it looked like, it looked like what it did. They were able to, they were able to get nine points, nine points. We talked about a ramp, talk about the Rams. We talked about the Lions team that's, that's able score, you know, in bulk.

There's number two in score, the average of about a little low, almost 32 points a game. So for them to come out today, and I'm not going to blame the elements. I'm not going to blame the weather, you know, at all because we... Because both teams had to play. Exactly. And we've seen them playing cold weather before and still be able to put up points, you know, at will. So I think the Eagles, they played one hell of a game on all three levels, on all three levels. They were phenomenal. They did. And the thing is, though,

But you know about Dome teams. There's a reason why Dome teams don't go to the Super Bowl unless they're in their own building. Because when you have to go outside and you have to, normally, late January, the weather is bad. You go to Philly or you go to Cincinnati, you go to Pittsburgh, you go to Baltimore,

you go to Kansas City. If you're a Dome Weather team, it's really not conducive. Normally, you look at the Rams. They got to the Super Bowl house. They had home field. When they didn't have home field, it's tough. I mean, the only warm weather team that I can remember going on the road to get to the Super Bowl is Tampa.

It's when they went on the road to Philly and they beat Philly and Philly. And it took a Herkulean effort from their defense because the offense really didn't do anything. Ronde, Barber, ended up getting like a 90-yard pick six, something like that. But it's very tough. So the Detroit got their work cut out for them if they want to get to where they want to be. And it's not going to be easy because I don't know if you notice Chicago's playing really, really well. That quarterback is getting more and more comfortable. Hold on.

And Green Bay has found a way to win. I was like, I mean, sometimes I don't know, George loved you need to realize he had to go to the tent because all of a sudden he's like, I'm Derek Henry. Wow. Oh, no, you're not. Until the tent, he went and ended up going inside until he figured out like,

no, bro, you can't take shots on your shoulder like that. If you look at the Eagles on Joe, they've beaten the Lions, the Packers, the Vikings, the Bucks, the Rams, and the Chiefs. With the exception of the Vikings, everybody else theoretically

is still in playoff contentioned. I mean, maybe the Vikings still are. But the Chiefs, although they're ninth in the division, all unit takes is seventh, they still have the outside chance that they could, you know, win the division. But the Rams, they're clearly in sole possession of because they beat the Seattle today.

Hey, so to beat the lions, to beat the Packers, to beat the Bucks, to beat the Rams, to beat the Chiefs, that's a good football team. Now, you're just not going to just go in there and willy-nilly, just going to roll over them. So if you think that's what's going to happen, that ain't happening. They're too, they're very well coached. And I know a lot of people don't like their offense and Kevin Petula, la, la, la, la, they're not, they're not going to beat themselves. You're going to have to beat them. Yeah. Jared golf, worst completion percentage in a single game.

in his career, Ocho, 37.8% tonight, the ninth lowest marked by a quarterback who has at least 35 attempts since 2005. The Eagles defense did it again. So basically, 148, 148 and 124. So they had about 270 yards. Hey, 270. You know, it's funny. We have all this, all this discourse and all this talk about A.J.

and in the offense and not living up to the standards and evolving as an offense as opposed to what they did last year and Saquan really hasn't had a day yet what we're used to seeing. I think at some point they're going to hit their stride. At some point I think things are going to open up that often is going to change especially I think it's going to start clicking

when it matters most. Not only are they getting wins right now they're getting the wins ugly, but I think at some point maybe that momentum or they catch fire at the right time when it when it matters most now I mean obviously they're winning games ugly the the defense is is carrying the load and probably the main or the majority reason why they're winning but I think once the offense catches up to where the defense is and maybe maybe just maybe just halfway I think they're going to be a force to reckon with especially once they get to the goddamn playoffs and there's a good chance if they keep playing like them defensively

and if the offense gets any better or any bit more efficient especially on the ground and they're running and they have a healthy balance of both man it's going to be hell on it's going to be hell but we know at some point in time one team offense is going to have their way with that defense and then the offense

is going to have to bail them out we've seen it we've seen it happen no matter what everybody everybody has a game in which whatever your strong suit is you struggle and the other side of the ball needs to bail you out. And it's normally the side that have struggled. So the offense has really struggled,

but the defense has been exemplary. So what happens when an offense, opposing team offense, has their way with that defense? And I'm saying, you know, somehow they get, you know, 28, get 31 points. Now we're going to need Jalen Hurts and we're going to need that offense

to go match that and go get 32, get 33, get 34 points. So we know that game is coming. We don't know who it's going to be. Maybe it's the Cowboys because the Cowboys, that's a division rival game. A, you throw everything out of the window. Don't look how bad the Cowboys are. I know the Cowboys that's played like some stirfright this year.

But against a division opponent, you throw everything out of the window. But that was a big win for the Eagles, 8 and 2 on the season, dropped the Lions to 6 and 4 with a score of 16 to 9. Jordan Davis, Ocho, entered the night with three batted balls. He finished a tie for the league lead with six. So he had three Carter probably had two 97 I think

I think that's Hunt I'm not mistaken um had one but uh they won they played well they they handled the elements

the conditions better than Detroit did because you know you how do I practice that Ocho I normally practice them don't so they probably went outside I'm sure they went outside because it's cold in Detroit right now

it's cold in Detroit yeah and knowing and knowing Hey, listen, knowing Dan Campbell to get them ready for the elements and what you're going to have to, I mean, what is going to be like on Sunday, we're going to practice outside Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. Yep. Before the game, reports came out from ESPN Sal Palantoneo, the guy that knows all things Eagles.

He's been covering the Eagles for probably 40 years. A.J. Brown met with Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie during practice last week to hash out Brown's public frustration over his role in Philly's offense. During the 10-minute meeting, Brown promised. Lurie that he would stop complaining on social media. Brown told Lurie that he just wants to be a part of an offense and it's frustrated. All right, hey, Eagle Fan, me and Ocho didn't know what he's talking about. We just making stuff up.

Now, how many times, how many times have you ever heard of Jeffrey Lurie, he's on this team for two decades, met with a player about something that he was posting on social media. Met with a player about his role in the offense. his role in the defense. Hey, chap, this is only for Eagle friends. I don't want anybody else to chime in because Ocho and I, we're just doing this for clicks,

mainly you, unk, because Ocho, Ocho, cool, we like Ocho, but it's mainly you. So Eagles fans, I want y'all to tell me the time that your owner has met with a previous player over his role in the offense or the defense. I'm going to give you a couple of minutes to chime in. Now, Now, like a coacho, I understood from the beginning, my only thing was, I said, AJ,

is just that when you do this publicly and you're winning, and you say your goal is to win and you're winning, the fans are not going to look at it like, man, I want to be involved because I want to take this offense to the next level, they're going to look at it as you're complaining and being selfish because you're not getting stats. That's how it's going to be perceived. So my thing was Just keep it behind closed door I mean

He probably kept it behind closed door Ocho as long as you Ocho you can all this stuff Oh yeah yeah absolutely Until you open the door And all that is come rolling Absolutely And the funny thing about it too

Is you know what I think I think he's had those conversations Behind closed doors I think he's those conversations With Jalen I think he's had those conversations With Coach Siriani And he might have

He might have Because this has been going on Since last year It's been going on since last year So I think the conversations have already been had, and he hasn't been heard because nothing has changed. Nothing has changed. But what A.J. Brown has to understand this offense is run a certain way. It's always run a certain way.

And the way that they do it, Jalen Hurst does not put the ball in harm's way. He's not going to take the chances like Aaron Rogers. He's not going to take the chances like a Brett Farr or a gun-slinging quarterback. I'm going to make the right reads. I'm going to do the right things with the ball. and I'm not going to put my team in harm's way and have us behind the eight ball when it comes to playing football.

And that's just the nature of the business in the way they do things. And I think the Eagles like the kind of quarterback that they do have. It's not pretty. It's not aesthetically pleasing. He's not going to go out there and throw for no 400, 500, 500 yards. That's not the offense.

It doesn't ask for him to do that. But when time comes, when time's coming, you put him in situations where he has to beat you with his arm, we've seen him do it. Hell, a la last year in the Super Bowl. They weren't allowing Sequin to get Didley, Didley Squad. What did he do? He used his arm and he won the game.

This year, things don't look like it should. They're not able to run the ball. Hell, they not even throwing the ball well. They get in this first. But what are they doing? They're being carried by the defense. That's why I think at some point the roles are going to reverse. This is going to be a game just like you said.

With the defense, they're going to get had. They're going to be a team that's going to be. be able to take advantage of them. And the funny thing about it, you think about the teams that have the opportunity or have a chance to put up multiple points and have an offensive scoring, high volume output, you think about the chiefs. They beat the Chiefs. Here, you think about the Lions at night.

They score 27, 28, almost 30 a game. Not yet. It's going to be a team you least expected. It's going to be a team you least expected. And they're going to have a goddamn way. And it's going to come time where Jaylen Hurts going to have to step up and either going to beat you with your arm or say, I'm going to do what he do on the ground like he did last year

that he hasn't been able to do yet this year. This offense is built to play with a lead because of the way they play is run and pass. A lot of teams pass to run. So, Ocho, you're afraid of us throwing the football, so now you play coverage, we can run into a lot of box. So the way the Eagles are built, they're built to run, and then we're going to pass.

We're going to dictate, we're not going to let you dictate, when we pass. But they normally pass and it's third and short. What gets the Eagles in trouble is when it's third and long and they're having to pass the football. See, when it's third and short,

Ocho, you don't know. I can run it with Sequin or I can use Hertz legs or I can do something quick screened up, Jalen, screen to Devonte, quick something quick pop to Goddard.

They get into trouble when you start, they start 3rd 10, 13, 12. that's when they get into trouble. And so they do a great job of knowing that's where we're vulnerable at, staying out of situations like that. But give them credit. They won tonight, played the elements better.

That's what you have to do. When you're at home, oh, Joe, hey, we're in our environment. We're Eagles. We play and we practice outside. And one problem I do have about watching the game tonight, the fact that I can still, I don't play for the Eagles. I don't play for the Eagles, but I watch a lot of football. And I watched the Eagles all season long.

Hell, I watch every goddamn team. But the fact that I can tell you, based on A.J. Brown's alignment, I can tell you exactly where Rowdy's running, that's not good. That's not good. Because if I know it and I'm not watching film, I'm just watching the games each and every Sunday, what do you think those that are playing the cross from them are doing? He had 11, I think he had maybe 11 targets or something like that. But it's the same stuff over and over and over.

If he lines up two yards outside the number, if he's by itself, he's running the hitch. if he's in if he's at the top or the slant if it's two by two and speedy's on the side with him or the titans on the side with him

he's off the ball he's running the slam it's like the same thing if he's inside he's running the quick out I mean it's just or the stick right it's just the same

there's really no creativity and then putting him and they like to put him on the left hand side they like to throw him the goal ball on the left hand side yeah

if you don't notice that on show. A lot of his go balls on the left-hand side. I mean, so I understand his frustrations. Not only is he not putting up the numbers he liked to, but you know what's actually coming based on his alignment and where he is.

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