Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL Week 12 Part 2: Shedeur Sanders SNUBBED of GAME BALL after first Browns win, Mahomes taking shots at Andy Reid?!

Episode Date: November 26, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL storylines of the week! The guys react to Shedeur Sanders earning his first win as the Cleveland Browns’ starting quarterback against the Raiders, Chiefs humble Colts in OT and much more! 0:00 - Falcons defeat Steelers, Falcons have a Kyle Pitts problem?9:21 - Shedeur Sanders wins first career start35:24 - Bengals take another L44:12 - Chiefs beat Colts in OT53:51 - 49ers hang on vs Panthers on MNF  (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the I Heart Radio. app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Falcons got on the winning track, Ocho, about the score 24-10 over the New Orleans Saints. Kurt First Cousin, 16 to 23, $1.99, two touchdowns, one pick. He was sacked three times. Bejohn Robinson had 14 carries for 70 yards.

Alger had 12 or 44. 29 carries a buck 21. One, Mooney has three catches, had a big touchdown over the top, 49 yards, one touchdown. Ocho, I watched this game. See, this is one game I didn't get to see. There was only so many TVs out there. Yeah. Chat, if you're a Falcons fan, you know what I'm about to say is true.

What happened? What happened? Kyle Pierce Sr. dropping too many passes, Ocho. He just, I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I mean, he just dropping. I'm talking about routine stuff. I'm not talking about no acrobatic.

catch is where you got to go up. I'm talking about stuff hitting him dead in his hands. I'm talking about over-the-shoulder stuff. He's too talented. He's as talent of a tight-end, receiving tight-in that I've seen come out to draft. He's supposed to be Brock Bowers. He's supposed to be McBride.

That's what he's supposed to be. Yeah. He's dropping him clean up? Clean. Clean. Clean. Hold on. You're talking about clean like contested. No, he's dropping routine stuff, hitting him in the chance.

Ain't nobody right now, no, no, he just dropping. Oh, damn. And I just thought, I just knew this was going to be the year that, you know, he showed everybody why he was a top five pick. He went in front of Chase. Yeah, he was number four, huh? It's just, it's, it's, I just, I don't know what it is.

I don't know what it is. I just, I did, I did not envision, especially come off the season that he had as a rookie where he went over a thousand yards. Yep. I just knew like, okay, the sky's the limit. This is going to be, and it just, it just hadn't clicked. Just hadn't clicked.

Jackson, Smith, and Jigba, had another awesome day, Ocho. Eight catches, a buck 67 against the Titans. He has 1,300. and 13 receiving yards. He broke D.K.'s record that he set in 2020. D.K. did that in 16 games. He's broken the record in 11 games.

Smith and Jigba is on pace to become the first player with 2,000 receiving yards in a single season. If there's a player that should get it, if there's a player that the NFL and the team and the powers that be, that control everything, he's one of the ones you want to do it. He's one of the players you want to allow to be able to break that record.

J.S. is having one hell of a season. He's having one hell of a season. And the fact that he's continuing exactly when he started at Ohio State, we saw him in the Rose Bowl, go for what, $200, $2.80? No, he went for $3.30. He did go, he went for three something.

And coming to the NFL, most of the time, it's a hit and miss when it comes to receivers. But for him to show that, not only did I do in college, but hold on, hold my beer. I'm going to give it to you in the NFL too every week, not just one week and then you go missing for two or three weeks, but I'm talking about back to back, the back, and it's a testament to not only the quarterback,

but the play calling that continuously puts him in position to be able to make these plays and create mismatches so he can do exactly what he's doing. The Tennessee, yeah, the Seattle win. They moved to eight and three things to a third. 30, 24 victory over the Tennessee Titans. Sam Donald was 16 to 26, 244-2 touchdown. Kenneth Walker had 11 carries for 71 yards.

They had 20 rushes, 114 yards, one touchdown, a sharpening up. But it was Jackson Smith and Jigba. Eight catches, a buck, 67, two touchdowns. They had 16 completions for 244 yards. Man, he cooking, folks. I mean, he's unbelievable. I mean, he is, wow, he's so smooth. man he's so smooth

man I've seen silk that wasn't that smooth though Joe that joker man good God almighty yeah he cut he's cutting up now yeah man he's cutting up and it don't you know what the funny thing about it is

it don't matter who it is you know you think maybe maybe he's playing against bad defenses maybe playing against bad team it don't matter everybody getting that work everybody getting that work everybody so

don't know about him oh man I locked not this year there might be a time down the road that you say I locked him up, but not this year. He own one. I want to see him get $2,000. Yeah, once you get into a rhythm like this, ain't no stopping.

And the play calling is going to always continue to be in your favor, just so you can get that record. Ask somebody, is he going to be the MVP if he get 2,000 yards? No. Because somebody had to throw him the ball that got him 2,000 yards. Yeah, that is true. So Matthew Stafford right now.

I think Matthew Stafford has a stranglehold. Now, I will say this, if Miles Garrett was on a winning team doing what he's doing, he would get serious, serious, serious, serious consideration. Yeah, hands down. Hands down, absolutely. Because I'm talking about, I mean, he might be, like I said, I think he's going to be the first defensive player, the win defensive player of the year, that's on a losing squad since Cortez Kennedy did it.

Oh, shit. but can you see me yeah i see you man i hit the wrong button i like you hold on i hit the wrong button on my computer man oh there it go damn uh but smith and jigba is having an unbelievable season and it's it's a pleasure to watch him um watch him go to work and it doesn't matter

they see you too ocho okay uh the jaggs beat the cardinals in overtime we had a couple overtime games today. I thought we might get another one with the Cowboys and the Eagles, but hey, the Cowboys walk it off. Thanks to Brandon Albreed's a 42-yard field goal. But we did get two overtime games. We got Detroit

and the Giants, and we got this one right here, the Jags and the Cardinals. Trevor Lawrence was 18 or 30, 256, three touchdown, three picks, and a fumble. So they got four turnovers.

Damn. The Cardinals got four turnovers. And still lost. Hey, Jacoby were dealing though, what? Oh, yeah. 33 and 49,

317, one touchdown. Michael Wilc. Oh, Cho. Yeah. Again. You see what he did? Now, he gets a big play. He's spinning the ball.

Ball hit his foot. Roll to the end zone. Now he got to go get it. Now he got to come back and try to find the official. You see? Mm-hmm. Bro, come on, man.

Y'all come on now. Come on, bro. There's a time and a place to celebrate you down. Why are you spinning the ball? Do you not understand situational football in that situation spending the football? This is not the first quarter. This not the second quarter. Bro, this is over time.

Mm-hmm. No, they're excited. Oh, my gosh. He's excited to make them play. But you got, you got to know, you got, you got, you got to be, you got, you got to, you got to, you got to be a way of your situations. The time, you remember, you remember Pittsburgh, the guy Claiborne, what, what was the, what was the, Claypool, Claypool, he caught the ball in Minnesota. Chase Claypool. It started celebrating, Ocho, Ted, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, time we're going down, huh? Yes. But I'm looking, I'm like, I'm like, I'm just, Ocho, I'm just looking, I'm just looking. I'm just

at him. I'm looking at him like this here. Come here. You. Come here. See, back in the old, when we play, don't you? Do some foolish like that? Come here, son. Come here. Yeah. Get you a ass over here. Hell no. Now, if he hasn't already, he'll apologize. Yeah.

He apologized. Like, look, I just can't do that. Valuable time is off the clock. Ocho, you got the ball. Just get the ball, go back. You save 10 seconds. Seconds, yeah. Hand it to the ref.

Maybe more. You hand it to the ref. You get leaving more time on the clock. But the Jags win the score in overtime, 27 to 20, even though Arizona takes the ball away four times. they still lose the game. If one of us wins, we all win. I'm Ashley Reifeld, and I'm the host of the women's skateboarding podcast.

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Chador Sanders became the 42nd quarterback to start a game for the Browns since they came back into the league in 1999. He also became the first Browns quarterback to win his first career start in the NFL since Eric Zeyer did it back in 1995. The victory ended a 17-game losing streak for Browns in games in which the quarterback was making their first career

start. That was the longest streak by any franchise since 1950 when quarterback starts were first recorded. The win snapped a 13 game road losing streak for the Browns, which was also the longest active streak in the NFL and their second longest in franchise history. Shador was 11 of 20, 20, 209 yards with one touchdown and an interception. he was look they didn't run the football worth of nothing 27 rushes 67 yards but ocho with his ability and he's looking the thing that you have to like about him he's looking to push the ball down

the field he realized i don't catch big fish fishing round the shore right i need to cast way out there you see he rolls out of the pocket throws it over the top yeah he's going to give those guys an opportunity to make plays i was very impressed with him and i know what everybody said It wasn't nobody but the Raiders. But had they lost, he was going to say, well, he can't beat the Raiders. How is he going to beat this team, that team? Well, we won't know how he'll do against this team or that team. Because we know the team that he played today, he put boots in him.

Go ahead, on Joe. Well, listen, I'm a, I'm a, it was a Raiders. It was a Raiders, but what I saw from his door tonight, I mean, tonight, it looked good. There's, there's room for improvement. There's some, there's some things that he could do well. He would also need his supporting cast to help him out. Jerry Judy, I know you want a dead leg, baby, but just go ahead and get, hey, young bull, just go ahead and get out of bounds, get them yards.

There were some throws. I know she do it would probably want to have back, especially that interception, you know, staring down, staring down that stick route right away at the snap of the ball. Outside, especially when you can't run the ball. I mean, you can't run the ball and it's more dimensional. It's very, very difficult. It's very, very difficult. But they were able to pull.

the win off. I'm sure Shador is probably not happy. Glad he got the win, but there's a lot of stuff you can go back and look at and he'll watch film and see where he can improve in certain areas. And I like the fact that he not only got a start, he made history today. He made history today and he gets to build on that going into next week. I'm not sure what's going to happen with Tfansky. If Dylan Gabriel's healthy, if he's going to be the starter or not, you know how stuff like that is up in the air. So I'm a lot. like the way he looked at day. I mean, I'm excited for him. I'm excited for him because it the offense looked different. It just looked different. They had a bounce about them. If you

think about it, they got, and the defense did their part. They sack Gino Smith 10 times, Ocho. It was 10? 10. Miles Garrett had three. Miles Garrett has 18 sacks with six games to play. He need five more, right? Five more to break your record. If you keep singling him, he'll go get 30. He's got 13 sacks in his last four games. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah. He gets in that sprinter stance.

He gets down like a track and get down on all fours. Yeah. He's coming to hunch a quarterback. But I like the fact that Shadour was looking to push the ball down the field. Yeah. And I think that's what they needed. Guys, because having been a receiver, bro, I want to get down the field. Yeah.

I want to, hey, throw the ball. Look, I want to catch the ball. But all this shallow cross and, all these bubble screens and all that. But come on, man. Yeah. It's hard to methodically go down the field, Ocho. You know, and we're going to talk about this, the chiefs going down the field.

They had 13, 17, 12, and they kicking field goals. But it's hard, especially when you got a young quarterback. Yeah. And to ask him to be perfect, Tom Brady could play like that. That's Tom Brady. Yeah. He's not going to make those mistakes. But you're asking a first or second year guy, young quarterback,

back. It's like, okay, we want you to be, basically, we end up being somewhere of 25 or 33 for 275 yards, three touchdown. Nah, you're asking him to do too much. Let him take some chances. And I thought you did a great job of getting outside the pocket. On the one day scored on Ocho, he did a great job. He goes back. He's holding the safety just like this here. And then the last second he turns. And so by the time the guy catches and gets up, the safety Like, hold on. If I come down hill, I ain't going to get there. So let me try to get him at a...

No, I ain't going to be able to get him. Because basically when he hit that scene, Boucho, it was good night, Irene. It was a rap. Yeah, it was. But level to 20, I mean, and he was like, hey, that's one week of starting. Imagine when I get an off-season. Yeah. Imagine when they call plays specifically for me.

Yeah. Imagine. Yeah. You got, you got, who's that? John Liddinger said, imagine? Mm-hmm. All the people. Mm-hmm.

But I thought he played really well. I thought he was really poised. I thought I know it was great to see his dad was in attendance. And Ty was like, well, man, you know good well. Tyne wasn't missing that one for nothing in the world. They could have been playing. If Colorado had a game today. Yeah.

Time would have like, man, you know, hey, I ain't feeling too well. It would have snuck out here to Vegas to watch his son. And that was great. know, this is really the first time that his dad's not coaching it. His dad's not around. Pick it up the phone is one thing. But being able to have a conversation face to face is something entirely different. But I was really, really pleased with the way he played.

I thought he threw the ball really, really well. Isaiah Bond did a great job. Samson, what he called that, yeah, that longed, that 66-yarder. Like you said, Jared, Judy. Bro, did you think he was like, I mean, he was just oblivious like, ain't nobody behind me. Listen, I don't know what Judy would think about it. I don't know how you forget about the goddamn backside support.

Pursuit. You know they coming now. You know they coming. Hey, listen, I'm not sure. He was three defenders in front of him. Yes. And he would get ready to dead leg somebody. I know the setup.

But you got to understand. You got to have self-awareness. Understand your surroundings, man. Get that thing, get out, make a business decision, or take your ass out of bounds. One or the other. Yeah. get out of bounds. But look, I know the receivers are happy

because he's giving them opportunity to make plays over the top. All that shallow cross and bubble screens and all that. We've talked about earlier, Ocho. This gives him an opportunity to push the ball down the field and give them an opportunity

to make some big plays. After the game, Kevin Stefanski was non-committal on the starting quarterback for next Sunday's home game against the 49ers. Ocho, the video is gone viral online. Here's Stefanski,

handing out game balls in the locker room after the game. stayed resilient together like I told you we needed to stay resilient together and we fought together how about Gage's big punt return on special team

how about Corey every single time we're out there pinning those guys doing your job great offense wasn't perfect wasn't perfect how about that big play by Sam at the end

I be huge play Hugh huge play Harold making a big play And then another rookie making his first start Nice job Shador Well done With that old saying Save the best for last

How about that defense Oh yeah Holy is what I have to say about that Ten sacks by our defense Hey That's a lot

Okay, I got one ball in my hand. Okay, I got a guy, he's got to get a cold every week, okay? He had a cold this week. Wasn't feeling himself. Three sacks, which gives him 18 on the season through 11 games through 11 games, which breaks his own Brown's record, Miles Garrett. Come on, man. So I'll see you guys in tomorrow.

Hey, I'll see you Wednesday. I remember the days. So hold on, a guy making his first start, a guy that you didn't really want to start, a guy that you didn't really want in your organization. Right, right. And that's all he get. Great job.

He don't get no game ball? No, he don't get no game ball. That won't his pick. That's not what they won't. They don't want him to succeed. You know that. I know, no disrespect. The owner told you,

the only told you to himself. Even the head coach, the head coach's guy, the head coach's guy is Dylan Gabriel. We all understand that. Listen, didn't you do it make history, tonight? Yes. First round,

first rounds quarterback as a rookie to start and win after what? Since what? 17. I mean, you got to think about Ocho,

they've had 42 starting quarterback since 1999. Right. No quarterback making his first start. Yeah. The last 17

have said, we didn't do it. They didn't get it done. Yeah. Well, listen. That isn't worth the game ball, Ocho? It's clear as day now.

It's clear as day. Like, I mean, we've been going back and forth about this over and over, the nitpicking and here and there. And people, people say, oh, they hate, they're not hating, or Dylan Gables,

listen, all that, we know what the play is. The writing is on the wall. It's always been in the wall. When the owner came out and said what he said about this not being my pick, this is brother Drew Barry, Drew Barry, right? Is that you saying? Andrew Barry. Andrew Barry, excuse me.

Andrew Barry, it was his pick. It was the idea. I mean, we know what it is. You know, the odds are stacked against you. The odds are stacked against you. When an opportunity presents itself, he has to go out there and do what he did. do what he did. The odds was stacked against him.

He went out there, had a good game today. Much, much more room for improvement. But he gave him my opportunity to win. He allows him to have a different style of offensive play calling when he's out there playing. And that's all he can do. Oh, Joe, I ain't say you got to get a man a car. I ain't say that.

I ain't say you got to pick the man up on the... I ain't saying the team need to pick him up on his shoulders and carry him off the field. But that little bit... Oh, you're talking about big time, hold on. And this is not a knock on you, Harold Fanon. So please don't take it this way. He had four catches for 40 yards.

I mean, he made two big, I mean, Shedua played his ass off. Lemma 20-Yay had an interception. I thought he was very good. I thought he was very good with his eyes. I thought he was very good with his feet. Everything was attached. And that's all you got for the man. Miles Garrett deserved five.

All the football did. you brought to Cleveland, get him to him to him. Say, so you're going to ship all all 40 these damn football to your house in Cleveland.

Miles Garrett, whatever Miles Garrett won't. As a matter of fact, Miles, you're on the page. Take your ass back in there and get more. Hey,

you need to get 50 million. Yeah. And he'll get this record as long as the Browns are able to keep the game close where teams can't just run the ball. Right.

Excuse me. As long as long, you see, he got five last week. Why? Because for the large part, a large portion of the game, they had to lead. So if the team got the lead on what you got to do, Ocho, they got to throw the ball.

They got to get back in the game. Right. When you see what happened tonight, they jumped out on 14, another 143. Now you got to pass the ball. You can't, first of all, your run game is not good enough, and your offensive line is not good enough to blow people off the ball. So you got to throw it. Right.

And they got a good enough defensive line that you can't just double. I'm doubling Miles Garrett. Somebody else might get three sank, but it ain't going to be here. In him, yeah. Because he is a guy that you. game plan, Ocho, we go in there on Wednesday, they got him circle. He got red ink around him. This is the guy that if we don't block, he's going to tear our ass up.

He will destroy our game plan, run or pass. Yeah. With that being said, that man couldn't flip you doing football, Ocho? You know the man, well, I'm flipping him no football, huh? You know what the man? That is not the individual that they want at the helm. They made that clear a long time ago. The game that they've been playing in training,

him not getting reps, we understand that. So therefore, you actually wanting him to give him credit after a game, that ain't happening. So to me, it's not surprising to me because, okay, we already know, we already know what it is. We know, we know you're not our guy. I think Shador even knows that as well. He's not tripping. I'm going to prepare myself, so when the opportunity presents itself, the end result looks like today. The most important stat, that W, that's all that matters. Listen, on the next week, I see you Wednesday. Ocho, you and I have both been in a situation. And, Shetland, I know y'all probably the last guy that y'all want to hear dating advice from.

But we've all had the, we've all had the young lady. Ocho, she was gorgeous, drop dead gorgeous. Yeah, come on, wait. Take your time, Matt. She was, she, I wanted her so bad. Yes, yes. But when it didn't work out, I realized the other one, she was the best for me. needed to give her credit because the one that I wanted, it didn't work out.

I understand Stefansky won't Dillon Gabriel, but you got to understand the guy now is the best for you and it's going to give you the best opportunity to win because he is unafraid to push the ball down the field. Right. Because in this league, that's how you win. Big plays. I just I don't get it Ocho sometimes you got to

Like coach you to tell her Sometimes I got to fool him Sometimes you got to lie to your team Even if you don't like Shador Even if you won't Dylan Gabriel You won't commit I get all that And I get the semantics

I get the The scheme of it Ocho Right I want them to prepare for both Knowing damn well Dylan Gabriel ain't going to see that feel Anytime soon I get all of that

Right But this notion That this thing is even close This notion That this was just a whole I mean a whole Hum performance Right

The guy got no snaps With the guys that he played with the day Until Wednesday of last week Yeah And he does that on the road In a hostile environment And all you got for him is that Yeah. I mean, that's what it is. And one thing about it, listen, you have to understand coaches have egos too. The owner has an ego too. The owner and the coach, not in cahoots, but they both wanted their quarterback. They got their quarterback in the third round. Things happen. Things that work out. Dillon Gabriel's hurt right now. There is nowhere in hell. They're going to sit on their hands and show the world that they made a mistake. Ain't no way. Ain't no way in hell. That's not happening.

It happens, Ocho. We've all made mistakes. The thing is not making the mistake. Do you learn from it? Because remember, Ocho, mistakes without consequences, there's no lesson to be learned. You have to understand,

but how many consequences that they had in the last, what, 40, 40-some years? This is the 45th start, this is the 45th starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns since 19, I don't even know, 1999.

This is the 40-second different starting quarterback. That's 40-5. some quarterback. So obviously they haven't learned their lesson in regards to who the owner is, who draws who the head coach is and that's how they see fit. We're going to continue to prove that we made the right pick in the third round

by doing goddamn Shador Sanis somewhat of an injustice. And what they're trying to do is likely the likelihood is probably going to backfire out. It's probably going to backfire and not working their favor.

All I'm saying is this. I believe the young man played well enough today to earn another start. No matter what you think about him, whether you like him or dislike him, whether you like his brashness, his arrogance or his cockiness or whatever the case may be. I don't know whether you like or dislike his father. All I know is he played well enough today.

And chat Cleveland Brown's fans, at any point in time, the Dillon Gabriel play in his starts as well as your door played today. That's all I'm asking. That's what you have to look at Because the way you judge a starter, Ocho, I'm not saying a starter can lose. They said a starter can't lose his job due to injury.

Mike Shanahan said a starter can lose his job because if the guy comes in and he's playing better than you at the time you got injured, that is our new starter. Yeah. I have a question. Yes. I have a question. Before Dylan Gabriel had that concussion, he played six games, right? He plays in six games?

Yes, to the best of my knowledge, yes. Okay, six games. So, I mean, it would be hard to compare the two based on. real time, real NFL games, until we have Shadour play six games as well. See, the point is, Will Stafansky in that organization, allow Shadour to continue to play their game because they don't want him to prove them wrong. That's what they don't want. That's why I think the game that's them,

Stefansi's going to play, is he going to find out is Dillon Gable? Will he be able to go this week? So we're not on the wrong side of being right. Wait, on the one side of being wrong. Ocho, instead of them, instead of him, let him play. Because maybe he proves you right. Maybe all of a sudden he flops. I don't believe it will.

I believe that I believe the kid had two months of moxie. I believe that he believes and the way he was brought up in what his dad has instilled in him. And he wants to be great, not because of his father. He's like, my father did what he did. Yeah. But he can't throw no passes for me. No. He can't slide the line.

He can't read anything for me. Everything that I'm getting now is my own. I'm doing this. Should do it, Sanders, and I love my father. I love the last name that he bestowed upon me. But at the end of the day, he can't throw no passes. You do realize that owner and that head coach don't want to be made to look like a fool by putting 12 by there and having 12 continuously win you games.

You do realize that, right? Make me look like a fool and help me get to the playoffs. Make me look like a fool and make me be a consistent winner. make me look like a damn food and maybe potentially get me to the man do you look do you know if if she do a way to get that team into the playoffs

get to the AMC championship game I'm not talking about this year I'm talking about let's just say in the next five years right if he were to do that and take that team to a Super Bowl they'll build a statue yeah I mean it'll be it'll be Jim Brown

Otto Graham Shedua Sanders you do realize the owner would look like a fool you do realize the fans people look like a fool. They do not want young bulls to succeed. Well, the fans think their damn fool now to begin with, so it don't matter what you look like.

They already think you are. Yeah. All you would do by keeping this going because, you know, sometimes you've got to keep your mob closed because people won't know how big a damn fool you are. You know, I said, boy, keep your mouth closed sometimes. People might thank you a fool, but if you open your mouth, you'll remove all doubt.

Yeah. So the Cleveland fans, they don't hold Mr. Hazel. and Stafansky in the highest regards. So there's not a whole lot they can do to change that. Now, if you really want to go booing and carry it on, take the young man out of it. Take the young man.

Don't let him start next week. Hey, what, now you know the game needs folk play. You understand. You've been around long enough. So for him to have the game he had, right, to not only get a game ball, for Stafansky to get in front of the media,

and still be non-committal to who's going to be the starter next week? What does that tell you? We in goddamn week 12. We're going into week 13. There's no need to be playing these mind games as if we in goddamn training camp. You don't know who the fucking start. I'm sorry. You don't know who the start is going to be.

It's a game. It's a game at this point because that's not who you actually want at the helm, playing quarterback for your franchise because you don't want to look like a goddamn fool. Oh, there are very few people. There are very, very few people with the first person. that razzed their berry wait who then my grandma say

my grandma say hey bring that to me say that to me yeah there are very few people that are with the person that initially razzed their berry they're buried don't worry about you'll be driving

the morning and sleep you're like damn I understand I'm talking about that I ain't never heard that one before you know what don't worry about it but anyway hold on hold on no no you don't skip over me like that give it to me in English Oh, Joe, a berry.

Right. I know what a berry is. Juice. Yeah, juice. Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, okay. How many people that are married are in a serious relationship, that that person that they're in that relationship with, that is the first person that peaked their curiosity. That is the first person that they love.

That is the first person that they wanted to be with. Okay, so why are you going to say that? It's probably the third, fourth, fifth. But I'm, that's what I'm saying. Okay, I get it. Yeah. So in a. situation like that, okay, I might, but you know what? Just for GP, just to endure,

you do her, unbelievable job, game ball for you. Right. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, you do that when it's actually the person you actually want. Yes. That's it. That's a different. You understand. Hold on, you're using that analogy wrong too, Unk. No, because my grandma's to say, my grandma's to say what, uh, uh, uh, uh, you said berry is, it's cherry. No, raspberry. You don't razz my berry, which means he don't excite me. Don't worry about it, Ocho, you'll get it. Hey, that must be some

Downside. I ain't never heard of course it is. Of course. I'm saying down here it's more like cherry the first pop my cherry. So you're asking the first. You don't razz my berry.

You don't excite me. I like that. I like that. That's different. I get it. Shadour might not have excited them in the beginning. They was more excited

about Dylan Gabriel. Right. But at the end of the day, who makes you wholesome? Who makes you fulsome? Who makes your house feel like a home? Right. Who, when you get excited, when you need someone to talk to and say, you know what?

I'm going to love you through all those scars. And I know you got a lot of them. But come lay your head on me. And I'm going to make it okay. That's what this young man have the potential of doing. Give him an opportunity. That's what we, because a lot of times I get it. We visual.

Men, we're very visual. Yeah. If you're in sports, you a big, what do I see? Man, he could throw the ball a hundred. That's why they make so many mistakes at the quarterback position, Ocho, because what can he do? He can throw the ball 80 yards. I saw him on one knee, throw the ball 60 yards, and hit the upright.

Ain't got none of doing football. How many times he's going to be on one knee? Because if he's down on one knee, that means he's down already, so the ball's going to be incomplete. With all that being said, a lot of times we get in awe about what we see. Sometimes the aesthetic beauty, long hair. Pleasure, nice body. Yes.

Oh, she got degrees stacked on top of the greed. Uh-huh. But sometimes it's what's on the inside is what we can't see. Right. That's the determining factor. Tom Brady A had no aesthetics. He couldn't run fast. He couldn't jump high.

Yes, sir. He didn't have no arm like my home or Josh Allen, but what you couldn't see yes, sir, made him deadly. See, sometimes we get, we look at the black mamba. The black mama is not the most dangerous snake in Africa. It's not either dangerous as the bloom slang or the common brown in Australia. Right. Or the western of the coastal Taipan.

But he has the name. You see, the black number. Now, he will attack without provocation. Most snakes that are venomous, they won't attack without provocation. That's what makes him so deadly because it is one of the few snakes that will attack without provocation. man get that man a damn game ball it ain't your game ball

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mike brables new england patrons became the first NFL team to reach 10 wins joe flacco Ocho, Chad, y'all remember I told Ocho? I said, Ocho, Joe Flacco, he's going to start out hot. Right. I mean, he's going to be hotter than, he's going to be hotter than four foxes in the forest fire. Yeah. But he'll turn over machine now.

No, he turned over, he turned over one time today. He turned, listen. Hey, I know. Hey, listen, you know what he's funny? You know what's funny, too? Hey, that DB cheated. He wasn't where he's supposed to be. You know that?

He cheated up. He stayed up much closer. How could you not as a, quarterback not see that at the use of your peripheral but there was a two shell instead of instead of going back we're supposed to be at he's sitting there there the line of scrimps I'm like man what is he doing oh Joe because guess what got a little pressure and he throw it late what happens when you throw late to the flat oh it's going the other way every time okay every time yeah but but listen the Patriots had the Patriots had one hell of a game they they had a good game say Drake made

Hey, Drake May through Interceptive 2. You hear me? I got Drake May. I got Jacoby Brissette. I said, what you call him? I'm going to get no TD. T. Higgins. Oh, I hit that thing.

Jay. Y'all better be on that prize pick. You made it. J.S.N. I said, I said J.S.N. I said J.S.N. going to have at least 94. Got it. I said that.

Okay. You said that. Okay. I said Jacobi Brissette. We're going to have. Boot. Got that. Drake May, playing the Bengals.

Got that. I said T. Higgins. wasn't going to get no touchdown, no counterweight because Gonzales had it. That because he got hurt. No, but his feelings. Hey, but listen, well, honestly, well, technically, you know, my team won then, basically.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what you mean? Your team. Who are your team? You know, I play with the Patriots. That he played with the Patriots. Now, y'all hear this? No. Can you hear this chat?

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. I'm just saying, I played there. I played there. Listen, I played there, you know, towards the end of my career. I was old as hell, but I played there, you know. You know, I had to kick the ties a little bit, but I was there. Chad.

What's up? Did y'all hear with this man just saying? I'm just saying, it is what it is. It's in the books. You're the one, you're the one been telling me, listen, you play with the Patriots, you know? So, I mean, I'm just throwing it out there. I'm still a bang. I'm still a bango fan at heart, but.

I never knew. Yeah, I mean, listen, I, you know, Honestly, I love everybody, um, the Patriots family. No, no, you told me, you told me you played with the Bengals and your heart and your team that you grew up watching, the Miami Guppies. Right, right. That was your two teams. But honestly, what about you went to the Super Bowl with the Patriots? Yeah, I ain't played with, I was, no.

Yeah, you know, you know, I said that because I ain't really do nothing when I was there. I was like decoration, like Christmas time, you know how you little ornament on the tree? No, the ornament on the tree, he's really there, but he ain't really got. got no, no, no well-doing, like the star that's at the top, you feel me? Yeah. You know, my days was really over. I was just out there like, okay, this is why they went all the time, you know?

And, you know, they're having a good time and enjoying the ride. I ain't really get, you know, to be productive or nothing like that. So I don't really want to claim nothing. I ain't really get no work in, you feel me? I sure hope y'all got on that prize pick or that parlay I had. I sent that thing out of that night for y'all. I got another one coming for you. Hey, you know what I want to see too?

Now we talk about the Bengals, too. And I got them, Mitchell Tensley. Yeah. That goddamn Mitchell Tensley, man, every time, every time young bull in the game, he's making a play, man. He made plays happen. Hey, I need to see him, man, since the preseason when he made that one-handed catch in the end zone. Every time he's in the game, he's making a play, unc.

I'm talking about every time. The day he beat Gonzo, he beat Gonzo. At the line of swimming, hey, I'm talking about setting like, eh, eh, I'm like, ooh. Hey, and you know, at that position, Ocho, if you stop your feet as a corner, it's over it's a rap it's over yeah you got you got to keep your feet alive you got to keep you feet alive so i would love to see him get a little bit more burn t higgins went out of the day chase is coming back late i think it's over burton i think jane burton i think it's over ojo you think so incency i'm not saying it's over for him in the nfl yeah yeah yeah i think it's times up and he's

another healthy scratch again they're down the receiver chase and they don't yeah yeah i don't i don't know what's going on in that area you know i think if i'm not mistaken. I think Chase and T.E did, but they could to take him under his wing. I'm really not in a facility. I don't know the personal things that may be going on, but I know he's an extreme talent. He's an extreme talent. I'm not comparing him to Piggins. I'm just speaking on he has a lot of upside, a lot of potential, and I hope he gets on the right track at some point, even if it's not in Cincinnati, because he can be tremendous. He can be tremendous for some team once you get things going.

Oh, Chow, the Ravens beat the Jazz. The Ravens have gone for one in five start, the first place tie in the AFC North, despite Lamar not had in his MVP form. Lamar has been held under 200 yards passing for three straight games for the first time in five years. He also's gone back-to-back games without a touchdown pass for the first time in six years.

Lamar was asked if he felt fully himself in the recent weeks, and if injuries are holding him and the offense backs. He said, I can't call it, but I'm out there, so I feel like I should still be able to do what I do. I feel like we just need to execute a lot better. We're getting great field position, but we're not putting points on the board, and that has nothing to do with no injury. One of the biggest changes in the game has been the decreasing rushing. He holds the record for the most rushing yards by a quarterback, and he's averaging a career

low, 29, less than 30 yards rushing per game. And Derek Henry, they can't have Ocho. Normally, this is a, when you see the Ravens run the ball 34 times, it's normally 200 plus yards. Yes, sir. They ran the ball 34 times a day less than 100 yards. Yeah. I mean, hey, Unk, listen,

it's something weird about this season. It's something weird about this season when it comes to certain teams that we're used to seeing be very dominant, especially offensively. The Chiefs, it looks weird. It looks very weird.

The Baltimore Ravens, it looks weird. You know, even when they were healthy, they started out 0-1-2, Unk. They started out 0-1-2. So they really haven't been able to get themselves in a groove before Lamar guard hurt. But the fact that they've been able to come back and dig themselves out a hole, and Lamar being back now, it gives them a chance no matter what. They will always have a winning chance as long as age is back there.

As long as age it back there, they're going to be all right. At some point, that offense is going to have to hit their strike. They're going to have to hit their strike, but the defense is playing a little better, as opposed to how they looked at the beginning. As opposed to how they looked at the beginning of the season, ain't no way in here I still don't want to put too much I don't want to put too much

because they played the chance, Ocho. Let's, let's Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Let's, hey, okay, okay, I got you, I got you. I mean, they had 26 carries for 76 yards. Yeah.

But for the Ravens to run, for the Ravens, Lamar was 13 to 23. Oh, D. Hart ran a Stutter go so sweet and he threw it out the end zone. Yeah. Did you see, I don't know if you saw that, Ocho. DeHart ran a studded go, Ocho, he run a stutter so sweet.

Yeah. He missed him. And Lamar missed him. Yeah, I ain't see that play. Hold on. Let me get my charger. Go ahead. Lamar was 13 to 23, 153, no touchdowns, nor interception.

He was sack once. Derek Henry had 21 carries for 64 yards. Again, as I mentioned, they had 35. four rush attempts for 98 yards. But they did have two touchdowns. Derek Henry did get the ball in end zone twice. But offensively for something, they seem to be off.

And I don't know why. Well, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is Lamar, what, it's only a second, no, it's third week back, right? Yeah, it's probably about his third week back. Yeah, third week back. I mean, I mean, as, as he goes, the rest of the team goes.

So as, as when he gets back into rhythm, and he starts feeling that confidence back again, then I think everything will pick up. Well, it's going to have to. Keyes beat the Colts for two quarters, including overtime, Chris Jones and the rest of the defense dominated the Colts offense, which allowed the Chiefs to exit Arrowhead

with a much-needed 23-20 comeback victory. After the game, it looked like Mahomes took a shot at the Chief's coaching staff when he praised Lou Amoran. ruler. I'm a Rulo. Ocho, take a list of what my homeboy had to say. Yeah. They definitely do some

of the stuff. I mean, that Coach Anna Romo is a great defensive coordinator, a great coach, and he has this stuff, but I think what makes him such a great defense coordinator is he kind of tailors his team. It tailors his scheme to the team that he's playing with, and so he wants to go with their strengths, and so

getting their guys in the best position to succeed, and even from some of the trades they made, they've adjusted their defense as well, And so I think that's something that makes him a great coach is that he's not stuck in his ways of like how he calls a thing. He adjust his scheme to the team that's around him. And obviously they've done a lot of great things this year. If you go back and study, Ocho, if you look at them,

what defense has given Patrick Mahomes the most trouble? The Cincinnati Bengals, yeah. Who's their coordinator, the guy that's at the end. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And you know what's funny is you think about how difficult, the Chiefs and the Bengals games are, or how difficult they make it for Patrick Mahomes,

and look at what he has to work with over there in Indianapolis. Yes. Supporting cast of players he has to be able to pull off making those games even more difficult as opposed to the Bengals defense, which most consider, you know, to be bad, you know, in a sense. So, I mean, Tadavius Ward, got damn sauces out there, Zaire Franklin.

They got a really, really good squad. When Buckner coming back? I don't know There's the possibility He might not come back No Not this year Yeah

Oh he's a real He's a real He's not Oh yeah Yeah yeah Yeah he's He's the disruptor He's the he's the guy

That you circle Says okay We got to deal with him Yeah But but my home My home's almost Almost You know

I think he was trying to do too much Maham My home We're trying to be Superman today I'm He missed some pros He missed some pros

Oh Hollywood Brown Had sauce beat Bad On the goal ball. Yeah. And Mahomes missed it. He had traw on an uncover, quick, and he missed it. Yeah. He had juju on the overrout. And he missed it. Overshot, yeah. So there are some opportunities that are there that Mahomes normally wouldn't

miss. Yeah. Good thing, Rashid Rice showed up today. Uh, Kareem Hunt, look, Kareem's going to get your hard, hard fault yards. Yeah. He's not, he's not what he was like, his rookie his first two years, Ocho. He's not that guy. Right, he was nasty. But he's solid. He's going to get you some hard fault yards, some hard one, some hard three. He'll break a tackle, good on the goal line.

But, Ocho, the problem that they're having is that when they get into the red zone. Ocho, they had a 17-play drive, settle for three. They had a 14-play drive, settle for three. Had a 13-play drive, settle for three. They had a 14-play drive, settle. Ocho, you know this. Yeah. You kick field goals, you get your ass kick.

Yeah, every time. You score touchdown. Now you really, really put pressure on an opposing team. That is their problem. The problem is they used to be automatic when they got into the red zone. Every time. Hold on. Not only automatic when they got into the red zone on, the creativity between Patrick Mahomes

and Andy Reid, it was unbelievable. Remember all the tricks they used to do, all the merry-go-round and doing all, you know, dude, that's not working anymore because now the film is out there. Now the film is out there. So it's a little different. Everything is a little bit more difficult. Yeah, you don't want three Super Bowls already. It's the same offense.

Everybody's seen almost everything you have to, you have to date. So therefore it become that much more difficult. People were talking, okay, the chiefs are down. They're five and five. They're 500 for the first time. And who knows how long. But again, if you put, if you put it. Oh, Joe, keep talking.

My computer's messing up. We fin to do so. But do keep going. Keep going. Keep talking about the chief. Okay. Anyway, chat, listen, I think. when it comes to the chiefs, right?

As bad as they've been this year, they're five and five. Obviously, we're not used to them being five and five, but they're going to be all right. Anytime you have a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes. Anytime you have a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes, he can put that team on his back, similar to what he did today. He almost lost the game a little bit because he was trying to do too much, trying to do too much, trying to be too man,

trying to carry the load himself. The commentators talked about it. I'm sure he knows as well, but Rishie Rice had one hell of a goddamn day day today. He had, what, eight for 141. Cream Hunt with 30 for 104. And shoot, that's it. So, Chad, it's just me and y'all right now. Welcome to Nightcap with Ocho.

Oh, you still there, huh? Are you back? I'm back. Oh, Ocho, here it is right here. Hold on. You good? I got it the rest of the way. Go ahead and chill.

The Chiefs have a 17-play drive, 64 yards, three points. They had a 13-play drive. They took eight minutes and 12 seconds, three points. They had a 10-play drive that 84-yard, 81 yards, three points. Five, then they had five, then they fumbled. Then they had an 11-play drive, 11-play drive that resulted in a touchdown. And then, Ocho, to end the game, they had a 15-play drive. Yeah.

For 87 yards, in that point in time, they were just trying to get it. and got the field goal and then the field goal to end win the game, Ocho, another 12 plays. So that's 12, let's see, 27, 30, 41, 46, 51, 54, 64,

77, 94. They had 96 plays. Let me see if my math, because I was quick in my head. You know, Ocho, you know, I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm just, you know, I'm speeding doing this thing.

So let me see. the hell they had 91 so minus the penalty they had 9091 actual actual plays

that's crazy oh sure you don't know them to see that many plays in an NFL game no not not today 65 70 is the norm

yeah 6065 is no is norm right 91 91 actual call plays yeah

that's crazy damn what do you think what do you think the issue is with the chiefs obviously not being able to not being able to score once they get into the red zone as opposed to how they were automatic before okay they run they won the wildcat with Travis Kelsey and then you know Johns pulls the guy's helmet they call it back so you got to settle for a field goal right words before they were like you said the creativity they were able to get the ball in the end zone.

Yeah. Some razzled, dazzle play, flip it here, they're, you know, shovel pass to the tight end, shovel pass to the back. They were always quick, you know, quick screen, you know, quick screens, get the ball into the end zone. Right. Now it's a struggle once they get inside the 20 because now it's condensed. And so, and they're not getting the home run because you remember,

Ocho, they used to, remember how they used to complete the big play over the top? Yeah. When they had Tyree. Now, once they got rid of Tyreek, they offensive. completely changed because they didn't have anybody they can get over the top. The top, yeah. So now everything would like ding, ping, ping, ping, ping, ping.

And the funny thing about it, even though they had to ping it and T, I call it, I'm going call it Tiki Taka. They had the Tiki Taka all the way down the goddamn field. But because you have Pagam Homes, you're still able to have success just doing that because he can make the right decision with the ball and not make mistakes. But see, what happens, when you play that type of game, Ocho, you've got to be perfect. You see, the thing is, I mean, he tried to go with a quick pass. guy gets his hands up

he picks it off now he's got the ball they got the ball in the one yard line now that's unfortunate yeah but see but here's the thing

what do they tell the mocho the ball's going to come out quick so get your hands up get your hands up yeah chief's upcoming schedule at Cowboys

Texas is at home charges at home at Titans Broncos at home at Raiders schedule again Thanksgiving at Cowboys Then

their Sunday night football They get the Texans at home Then they got Raiders at home Then they're on the roll Texans Excuse me Titans Then Christmas

They get the Broncos And then TVD Raiders Damn Well by that time the raiders, everybody be living in, everybody be living in the hotel. Because they'd be them pack their stuff up. They're ready to go, Ocho. Hey, well, honestly, listen, Uncle, if you play in Vegas,

it really ain't no need to really rush back home if you're in Vegas. Yeah, but you just want to get away, Ocho, because you've been in the grind, you've been, you've been here. I just want to get away. I can always come back, but I'm gone. Right. I got you. I got you.

I got you. I got you. The 49ers beat the Panthers, 20 to 9, Kristen McCaffrey, against the old team that he used to play for that drafted him as the top 10 pick out of Stanford. CMC had 142 yards from scrimmage. He had 89 of those yards, 24 carries 89 yard, long of 17, one touchdown. He had seven catches for 53 yards, so he's on pace, Ocho,

to do something to only heed Roger Craig and Marshall Falkins ever done, rush and receive 4,000 yards in the single season. all those guys did they those guys did it once if macafrey stays on the pace that he's on he'll do it for the second time so something very very special something bears watching oh here's the 49th schedule at browns tightens at home at colts bear seahawks at home yeah so they got they got a pretty nice schedule uh they got what what is that 1222 so So that's a Monday night. They got the Colts on Monday night football,

and then they followed that up NBC at 520 games. So that's a Sunday night game. So, but this game, Ocho, ooh, purdy. Pretty. Purdy was pretty awful. Listen, not only was pretty awful, though. You threw an exception in the first half. J.C. Horn played out his goddamn mind.

The defense played out their goddamn mind, and the Panthers' offense, it failed. night on the panthers offense failed us tonight i'm not sure what was wrong with bryce young and t mcmillan and some of the receiving jimmy horn but they were off their communication this far into the season you shouldn't be having mental errors like that or or or mistakes mistakes like that especially in the past the game because he's throwing the players that are running one route and the players are going a completely different way yeah so so a lot of players would miss down on the goal line bryce there was no need to throw that ball but you can

You've got number green grass in front of you. But, Ocho, even if he throw, the thing is, you know when you roll out, Ocho, you cut half the field off. So now they're flowing. They know, first of all, down there, Ocho, you're not going to throw it all the way back pylon. You roll into your right. Right. You've got to release that ball. You don't have to take a full roll because the further you roll, the field get condensed, more and more condensed.

Yes. That's why the guy the front side was able to fall off because you brought the bright side tight in to him. You got to throw that ball earlier. Yeah, right. But you're going to run out of real estate. Mm-hmm. He didn't, he didn't have to throw the ball at all. Oh, you wanted to go ahead and run it in, huh?

It's nothing but green grass in front of him. Nothing but green grass in front of him. Obviously, his eyes were locked in on the receiver, you know, in the back of the end zone, outside of that. This isn't, this isn't, this wasn't panther football tonight. This is not, this is not the, this is not the Carolina Panthers that we've been watching that have won the last five of their last five of their last seven games. they lost one in night but it wasn't good the defense did what they needed to do

offense offense left a lot of points a lot of plays out there on the field yeah I thought I thought Carolina got away from the running game a little bit too early they didn't have the ball a whole lot

what looked like they had the ball 42 total plays that's not a whole lot but when you look at it Ocho I think the thing is is that let's talk to $40 dollars first yeah

Jennings when you run, when you run that, that over route, if you gain ground, you're going to allow that cornerback to jet it or undercut you. And that's what he did. The dig route, the dig route. Yes. Oh, Joe, you can't, you can't run that. No. If you run that route like that, if you gain ground, he's going to jump right up under you. Yeah, especially somebody like J.C. Horn. Yes. Someone that, that is the sound as him. He has good eyes, good discipline. And he, he's going to play, he's going to, he's going to stay on, he's going to stay on the inside hip every time. Not only did he right,

he rounded by damn that four, four, five, yeah. I'm like, you got to keep, you got to keep, because once I got him there, Ocho, I got to keep him on my hip. Yeah. Because if I let him up underneath on that square end, that's what it's called, square in, square out square in. So on that square in, Ocho, I got to keep him on my hip. Yeah.

Because if I give him, if I give him any leeway, he's going to undercut it, or he might grab me and slingshot himself, grab me by my waist, pull himself, pull himself, and not you're right there up underneath the throat. And you know what? Another thing that a lot of receivers need to get out of doing too, Unk, when they get to them top of them routes, they're doing all that wiggle.

They do that wiggle instead of just getting up to your point and just snapping that thing off. When you play against a good corner, I'm talking about the good ones, and when you do that wiggle, all they do is they stop their feet. So if they stop in their feet and you're sitting there wiggling... He's going to drive on it. Come, let me ask you a question, though, Cho.

You can't do that with the good D.Bs. Let me ask your question. You run a go ball like that? No. So you get to the, you get a 10 yards and now you all of a sudden you're doing this on the go ball. No. Everything got to look the same. Every time.

Everything got to be, even if you don't run full speed, give the illusion, give the illusion that you are running full speed. Get the way you got to and snap that thing of all them tricks and all that. It works on your average corners. But when you go against the best, the better D.Bs, the J.C. horns, you know, the pass attain, the D.N. You're not pulling that off. No, hell, no. They're going to jet that. Yeah, any indication you give them,

they stop in their feet and they're driving. Yes. Because that's the indicator. I mean, you know, you're taught to give an indicator to your quarterback, but you're also giving an indicator to the DB also. McMillan, there's a reason why we say you to keep your arms tight. You see how he got his arms out?

What did that DB do, Ocho? Put, tug him. Where he would have been, he hit 27 right in the chest. That's why they tell you to keep your arms tight. Because they, they, grabbing anything gocho yeah always always always they're gonna grab and they're not gonna call it they're not gonna call it they're not gonna call it but this was a really sloppy game I was surprised how sloppy the game was uh purdy did not look good tonight uh 23 or 32 193

one touchdown three interceptions uh that that was that was just awful that was just awful his defense bailed him out because they got the turnover and then uh Bryce young comes right back and gives it right back to them. They got, look, Carolina really has very small margin for error. Yes. Because they're such a young team and they're not, they don't, they don't have top five talent at any position on the officer side of the football. Okay. So with that being said, you can't do what they did tonight. You can't turn up all over like that. On the road? No, you can't. You can't. Especially not

with the way the defense was playing. You can't keep putting the defense out there on the field, putting them in harm's way. Obviously when they, they're getting stops, you get in the ball, you had turn. They got three points off of three turnovers. They got three points off of three turnovers. You got to get more than that because they give me the ball back and give you the opportunity to not put the game away, but at least extend the lead enough to have a chance on the back end.

And they give you short fields. Very sure, yes. You got to get something. You got to get something more than, okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, you're only going to get three out of each one. Okay, that's nine points. But you got to come away with three turns. over you got to come away with more than three points something you you got to it'll be nice if

you cash one of one of those guys in for a tud but three points and like i said i just didn't i thought they ran i don't think they ran the ball enough yeah i mean you got dowd back there you got chuba hubbard run to football yeah and i know you're probably thinking about well you know they don't have those pass rushers they don't have bosa uh you know warner's not in there there's some things that we can take advantage of. They don't have the most outstanding corners. Run the football. Run the football. That is

your friend when you're on the road you need to run the football. But the 49ers, look, the 49ers keep their they got to stay attached to the Rams and the Seahawks. Eight and four right now, so that's when they leap they leap over Detroit.

For the 7th seed, now Detroit falls back to the 8th seed. but they haven't had their buy yet I think Detroit's had their buy haven't Detroit had their buy? Because Detroit's 7 and 4 So that means they had a buy already because the 49ers

haven't had their that's why they're 12 Yeah, Detroit had their 15th Yeah Yeah Yeah Uh Yeah

They're like, we might have to go and run this thing all the way through. But, yeah, it was a sloppy game, Ocho. I expected the 49ers to play a lot, would be a lot crisper than what they were. Hell, I thought Bryce Young, considering what he had came, what he had done. I mean, what, that four, four, who's that against the Falcons? Yeah, they were down 14 and came back. Yeah, and so he had started to play really well. I really like McMillan's game.

Macmillan is really good. He can really, really play Ocho. and he's only going to get better. He's doing this in his rookie season. So I can just imagine in two or three years what he's going to be like. Hell, who knows, he might even take a leap like a JSN did.

Yeah. Now, I'm not saying, look, that's, I'm not saying that's going to happen, but he's on pace to have over 2,000 yards on 125 catches. So he's doing, and he's in that zone right now. I just want to, once you, because, Ocho, you know where you've got a special season going.

Yeah. Everything just seems to go your way. Everything. You catch every deep ball. Charim, you catching, everything just is just zin. It's just perfect. Yeah.

Whatever. Oh, McCaffrey? Jennings. Oh. Oh, that's why he was fighting, huh? At the end of the game. Oh, okay. Oh, oh, man.

What happened? Jennings. That's why he was fighting at the end of the game. the game, but D.B. punched him in the, uh, the foul pole. Oh, I missed that. I missed that. Yeah, yeah. That's why at the end of the game? Yeah. I was, I was setting it up. Oh, that's going to cost him, that's going to cost him a fine. I mean, that's going to probably cost him like 25, $50,000. Well, hold on, what kind of fight? We talk about like a, like a little shoving match. Well, he put, Jennings was blocking him, and he, bow. Okay. So at the end of the game, they got into a little tussle. But, you know, they got cameras.

Oh, yeah. So they see all that. The, the reference. The refs might have not called it, but them 22 cameras they got, they called it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So don't even, don't even, hey, save your time. Don't it. Hey, that Tuesday that you was going to call in to appeal that. Oh, yeah. Go golfing.

Don't even waste of time. Yeah, yeah, go golfing because it ain't going to help. But, yeah, this was a game I thought would be a little better. It wasn't clean. I mean, what you get, five total turnovers. Sloppy game. Sloppy game. But the 49ers win, moved to eight and four.

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