Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL Week 13 Part 1: Jerry Jeudy HEATED at Shedeur on Browns sideline, the END for Tomlin and Rodgers after this FAILED season

Episode Date: December 3, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL storylines of the week! Unc and Ocho break down what really happened, whether Jerry Jeudy crossed the line, and how this compares to Jeudy's interaction with Dillon Gabri suggests this disappointing season could signal the end of the Aaron Rodgers–Mike Tomlin era in Pittsburgh, as the team continues to struggle with inconsistency and lackluster performances. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Shedeur Sanders & Jerry Jeudy sideline altercation11:48 - Panthers SHOCK Rams late in game27:28 - Aaron Rodgers in rough shape in Pittsburgh (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ocho that it seemed like and this is why I would always conscious Ocho of being on the sideline and get it animated because how is that going to be perceived by the people in the stands

or the people that's watching at home when the cameras pick it up because the camera's going to pick it home when you start doing this right here Ocho and you start doing that you already know the camera. Yeah absolutely it's 375 cameras out there now

absolutely Wait, hold on, I didn't see that situation. Knock, I must have missed that. Yeah, I think it was the start of the fourth quarter, Ocho. And I don't know, but it was the start of the fourth quarter. Who was it? See, I was at the cigar bar. I was watching multiple games.

It was Judy and Chudor. And at first, Shaduah was sitting down, and then Shadur stood up. So I don't, like I said, I was just always cautious knowing, I couldn't, you couldn't hide it because there's fans that's going to be able to see it, especially on your side. And then the camera's going to pick it up as you start to get animated and you start to do it stuff like this. Okay, okay. I understand. That's the quarterback and receiver talk now. You know how that go.

And sometimes it gets animated like that and we've seen that. Well, you know, people to take it. They act like they've never seen that a day in their life, you know, with a quarterback and a receiver, you know, being animated, especially. in game. But I knew exactly what you're talking about. I didn't even see it and I can already, I can already pitch it in my head. Miscommunication, something, somebody runs something wrong or a ball. That happens all the time. But okay, I got you. I got you. Yeah. Shador Sanders was asked to keep trying to trick you mocho or something about Kevin Stefansky. Let's take a listen to what you had to say. You try to him up, huh?

Those fours and ones, those two fours and ones that didn't work. And did you like Kevin having the aggressiveness there, even backed up in your care care? I mean, first, that's a rude question to ask if I'm, if I think, you know, it was a great call by my coach, you know. You like the aggression. Not do you like the call? Like, do you like being out there playing? So, so whatever that comes when it comes with, you know, like, you know, we're not going to be here and every point figure out. no coach or doing anything like that, you know, that's extremely disrespectful and that's not

even in my place. So I'm thankful for being out there, honestly, and I'm thankful that he trusts us as an offense to be able to go out there and be able to execute. Do we execute? No, we didn't. But, you know, I'm just thankful that we have that trust. I mean, listen, I understand it. And you know what?

Honestly, it's up to Shador. The reporter is going to ask whatever they can ask and see what they can get out of. It's his job to be able to answer those questions. correctly and be politically correct, obviously take it for as coach and not throw his coach under the bus. And that's pretty much it. So he's, he's, he's well versed in that area. And he's really polished, especially when it comes to talking to the media.

He might not answer the questions like a Tom Brady, you know, or Drew Brees or Peyton Manning, but he answers him his way in the way that we all understand and it's the correct way. He answered the question. he answers the questions just like you expect the quarterback would they're very PC very bland

now what he did do is something that probably other quarterbacks wouldn't do is that he says I don't appreciate you try to you know that's rude other quarterbacks would have probably say look

the coach we run the play that the coach is called whatever sent in it's our job to make it work to execute whatever's called it didn't work I got no problem

like you said he got no problem with what the coach call and that's how that's how he should answer the call you have to understand

he's been a quarterback his whole life his dad has been an NFL player his dad has drilled in him drilled in him drilled in him

you always take the high road you never throw anybody under the bus be it player or coach so he understands that because he's been groomed

to play this position and a part of being groomed to play this position is know how to speak before and after the games. That is one of the most important. Now, nothing tops playing on the field, which, obviously, we know that. But what you say, how you say it after and before is very, very important.

And he's mastered that. He's mastered that part of saying the right thing, the tone in which he says it. You know, he's like, hey, that, you know, I want to be out there. Yeah, obviously. So I don't have a problem with what he's. said um he just they just have to get better they do they just have to get better it is it's hard right because we are all expecting him to come in and just do something phenomenal and there's so much little for the fans get to work with and i don't i don't mean that in a disrespectful way

and just the way the team is built in general there's there's only so much you can do with what you have you know in that room especially offensively and it's just like it's hard. It's hard. I don't know if they're, there are maybe one or two, maybe three quarterbacks in the NFL that you can take off their team right now and put them on the Browns and they can look any better than what they do right now based on what you have at your disposal as far as weapons is concerned. It's very, very difficult. It's going to take time. It's going to take time because it's going to take pieces. It's going to take hella drafting really good drafting.

Yeah. Really good drafting and key off-season acquisitions before we see any type of change. You got to get some playmakers. You got to get playmakers outside of him and that's what you have. You look at the quarterbacks that consistently, you know,

look at Dak. What does that have? Oh. Look at Jaylor Hertz. Look what he got. Look at the, I mean, you got to go get players that can make players. Can I can actually say them real quick?

Can you imagine if you had two number one, over there in Cleveland. Can you imagine, you know? I got a great one for you, Cho. How does Bryce Young look this year? What, what I? Oh, what I? The man got bitched last year.

They go get him some weapons. Let me sit down. Let me sit down. Buck it out. Man, what, I ain't going to say that. I'm a way to be, I'm a way to be get to the Panthers. But go ahead. Chad.

What do y'all want us to say? I said it's a bad look when a player and a quarterback or any two players get on and it becomes animated. What do you want us to say? We don't know what was said. Nobody said anything that should do or didn't mention it. Did Judy say what was said? Did we know what Judy said? So what do y'all want us to do?

I've said it's a bad look when two teammates on the sideline because the fans see it and the quarterback's going to see it when two players start to get animated. even if I'm doing this and I don't say nothing y'all gonna say oh got upset with Ocho last night because of the animation I don't know what you want us to say we don't dodge topics

we don't dodge heavy conversation but what do you want Ocho and I to say when we don't know what was being said we don't know what caused the animation the animation so what do you want us to say just to go out there on the limit it's arbitrarily when we don't know what was said

of what was being discussed? Can somebody send me the clip on Twitter? Somebody, anybody got it? Send me the clip so I can get a better, better understanding on what y'all were talking about. I'm going to give it to you in simple terms. My grandfather, you said, boy, you don't have enough information to have an opinion.

Yeah. We don't have enough information to have an opinion. So y'all just want me and Ocho just to blow Judy up when we don't know what we're saying. You want us to blow Shadour up because he stood up. I don't know what you want from us.

Ash, just sent it to you. Oh. So I don't know. I don't know what y'all want me to say. Because y'all know I don't really have a problem talking about anything. Y'all say I talk too much about everything. So now I just basically said it it's a bad look when a player becomes animated on the sideline because the crowd thinks it's a conference.

The cameras pick it up and then the outside people at home just watching thinks it's a confrontation. I said it's a bad look. Outside of that, I can't offer any more because I don't know what was saying. Oh, okay. I saw it now. I saw it now. They look at a, you heard me? They're looking at the tablet.

They're looking at the tablet, looking at something that happened in the previous series and the previous down. And there's a disagreement on what they see based on, based on whatever play it is they're looking at on the tablet. That's all. Yeah, that's all. That's normal. That's normal chat. I mean, I just saw it.

But that's normal. That's normal. But I'm saying people, because they got so animated, people are going to look at it. You see two people story. I don't know what they're saying now. But if I see two people getting animated at the shopping, I'm like, okay, what's happening? Somebody's upset about something. I don't know.

So maybe Judy or Shadour can offer more insight tomorrow because I'm sure I'm surprised no one asked Shadur about it or did it. I don't know if anybody or there's any reports of somebody asking Judy about it. So I don't know. Yeah, I mean, to me that's really not even a story. I mean, if you've been around a game long enough, you see it all the time, especially with quarterbacks and receivers,

where there's small disagreements, you know, when some don't go right or a quarterback misses a throw or a receiver drops a ball, you come to the same. sideline and sometimes you get animated. I mean, especially based on what I'm seeing right here, they look at the tablet, Judy's saying something, and Shador stands up and says another thing,

no, that's not what I saw. That's not what you see. I mean, so indifferent. You know, the receiver sees it in one perspective and the quarterback sees it another way. All I'm saying is this. I tried my absolute best to never get animated because on the outside,

you don't know what I'm saying. You don't know what seven was saying. So it's just best to whatever disagreement we're going to have, we have it behind closed doors. Because me getting animated or him getting animated, this is what's going to happen. AMM 0914, Ocho, talk about how Judy didn't have no smoke for Dilling Gabriel or Flacko, but somehow want to be animated and vocal towards the door. Ocho? What happened on?

I don't know. MC Robinson 6375, at least next week can be a fun matchup. Shador versus Cam Ward. Yeah, we definitely gonna, I'm gonna talk about we. They gonna win that. I'm Stefan Curry, and this is gentleman's cut.

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The Lions are currently out of the playoffs if the playoffs were to start today. Matthew Stafford kind of looked like the Detroit Matthew Stafford. The Turner was what did him in. He threw a pig six. He was laid on the out route. What we say, Chad, if you laid on the out route,

it's a reservation. He called ahead. They're going to have your table set up. for six. He turned the ball over. He by himself had three turnovers. That was the difference in the ball game. He was 18 or 28, 243, two touchdowns, two interceptions, a strip sack that was allowed.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I talk about my Panthers. I did, I did, I just, I had to take that, I had to take that row up my mouth real quick because I was stuttering a little bit. Hey, Chad. Bryce Young, the Carolina Panthers that I said would be the dark horse and team to watch this season was surprise everybody. Bryce Young to date. He was 15

for 20. Three TDs 20s, 206 yards. Hubbard, 17 Carre for 93. Jalen Coker, way to make your presence felt today, boy. Every week is somebody different. He was full for, he was foe, he had four

for 74 with a TD A. McMillan had one for 43 on a touchdown. Cuba Hubbard, two for 41 on a touchdown. What I told you about them Panthers, huh? Everybody laughed at me

in August. I remember the date. August 25th, if I'm not mistaken. August 25th, I told y'all, I understood what the Panthers were doing when I saw what they did in the draft,

what I saw what they did in the off season, and understanding how Bryce Young played going towards the end of the season, I already knew coming next year, that momentum, that confidence

that Bryce had after he got bench, it was going to carry over into the following year, including with the weapons, they're going to be the goddamn team to watch and the team to beat. I enjoy it.

And I'm going to say it again. Like I said, way back then, y'all boys keep pounding. Keep on pounding. I'm not even, I'm not even curse. You remember the game that he out? Who did they play? Was it the Falcons, that he went to the Falcons,

he threw for 400 yards? 454 yards. Y'all, y'all keep saying it's one game. But right now he, He's, uh, they're 7 and 6. Oh, wait. Who said it was one game? They won the same number game.

They won the same number of game as the Detroit Lions. They won one more game than the Cowboys. And they beat the Cowboys. So what, what are we saying? Somebody in the chat talking slick. Talk about one game? Or just, yeah. Yeah, they talk about Bryce Younghead.

And y'all better, man. Y'all better do your homework. Do your homework now. Come on, man. What are you talking about, man? I told. They did, look, Brian, for, a Forbes, Jr. For the Rams, you owe you, you owe your team, bro.

Emmanuel? You owe your team. You owe your team. Brian, I think Forbes Jr. for the, uh, uh, uh, the Rams. The DB. E Forbes. Yeah, that's Emmanuel. Emmanuel Forbes.

He owe, Ocho. He owe. Fourth down, touchdown. Fourth down, touchdown. You can't get up a touchdown on fourth down. Damn. You can't. I mean, I thought it was rerun just in that truck.

Or what's happening now? but the chat ain't don't know that reference they don't know rewrote and ain't nobody old enough ain't nobody in the chat old enough

to know about what's happening yeah but no Carolina's playing really well they got a chance to win that division oh yeah absolutely absolutely not only they because they got the same

they have the same number of wins as Tampa so and they get Tampa again so they could They could easily win that division. And I think people are overlooking the Panthers this year.

They're winning games. Man, what the hell? Go ahead, Elgado. Can you still hear me, though? I hear you. I don't know why people are overlicking the Panthers, maybe because they've been bad in the past. So they're not giving them their respect,

their due respect because of who they are but when you break it down in perspective on the number of wins they've had and where they're same records as the Cowboys they just don't have the hype behind they don't have the hype train behind them so the only people that are talking about them are those that are actually Carolina Panther fans

but at the end of the day when you bring everything to light as a whole they're just as good with a chance to win their got their division. They must be, they on their, they gotta be on there coming on their bye week this week. They got, they got 13 games already played.

So they got to be on coming on the by week like with the 49ers or something. How the hell they're gonna be on the buy week in the season almost over? Ocho, they seven to six. Everybody else, nine and three, 10, and two. God damn. Honestly, they're on their biweek with the 49ers.

The 49ers is by the week this week too. Honestly, if I don't play this many games, I wouldn't even want no bi-week just damn late in the season, honestly. That, me personally, uh-uh. What you want? Huh? What you won't?

No, I say I wouldn't want no bi-week this late. You want to keep playing? Yeah, yeah. I want my week off. Now, we're playing too well and take a week off. Forget that. The bi-week, they should have had their bi-week week, week six, week seven. That's a lot of games.

games to play throughout. I mean, just think if you had, like you said, if you had your bi-week, week, week three, week four, week five, and now you got to... No, I say, I... No, you know what, Ocho, get that, get refreshed, get your mind recharged. Hey, you got a week off, get out of here. Hey, if you need, hey, get your, get your day of treatment, then get out of here, go somewhere nice and warm, take the missus somewhere, take mama somewhere, hey, ask your

in-laws or your mom, them parents, can they watch the kids? You and old lady, dip. That ain't what I did, but I'm saying. That's what y'all should do. We wasn't getting no week off, though, man. We got Friday, Saturday, and Sunday had to be back Monday. Yeah. Same, same, same.

Yeah. We ain't getting no time off like that. But no, Carolina's playing good. They ran the ball 40 times for 164 yard. Chuba Hubble Hubble was running extremely hard a day. Rico Dowto, 18 for 58. Didn't have a big-time day. but when the Rams tried to get the ball back,

they're like, nah, we ain't going to get back to you. Stop us if you can, and they couldn't. But like you said, Ocho, the team that you said, the Chicago Bears, they're the number one seed, and the Carolina Panthers has an absolute chance to win their division and make the playoffs. Oh, yeah. Bills beat the Pittsburgh Steelers by the score of 267,

Aaron Rogers, playing with a cast to protect the fractured left wrist, completed just 10 of 21 attempts, 117 yards. His third. Oh, Chos! Oh, talk to me nice. Throughout the upset of the day, the Rams ended the game with the NFC's best record, but drops now the team that has the NFC's best record,

the Chicago Bears, who hold the tiebreaker in the conference. The Rams are still a game up on the 8 and 4 Eagles and also hold the head-to-head tiebreaker. So right now it's the Bears, the Rams, the Eagles, the Bucks, Seahawks, Pat, and the 49ers. The Lions are currently out of the playoffs if the playoffs were to start today. Matthew Stafford kind of looked like the Detroit Matthew Stafford.

The Turner was what did him in. He threw a pick six. He was laid on the out route. What we say, Chad, if you laid on the out route, It's a reservation. He called ahead. They're going to have your table set up for six. He turned the ball over.

He, by himself, had three turnovers. That was the difference in the ball game. He was 18 or 28, 243, two touchdown, two interceptions, a strip sack that was allowed. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I talked about my Panthers. I did, I had to take that, I had to take that row up my mouth real quick because I was stuttering a little bit. Hey, Chad. Hey, Chad.

Hey. Bryce Young, the Carolina Panthers that I said would be the dark horse and team to watch. This season was surprise everybody. Bryce Young today. He was 15 for 20. Three TDs, 206 yards. Hubbard, 17 carers for 93. Jalen Coker, way to make your presence felt today, boy.

Every week is somebody different. He was foe for, he was foe. He had four for 74 with a TD. A. Macmillan had one for 43 on a touchdown. Cuba Hubbard, two for 41 on a touchdown. What I told you about them Panthers, huh? Everybody laughed at me in August.

I remember the date. August 25th, if I'm not mistaken. August 25th, I told y'all, I understood what the Panthers were doing. When I saw what they did in the draft, what I saw what they did in the offseason, and understanding how Bryce Young played going towards the end of the season, I already knew coming next year, that momentum, that confidence, that Bryce had after he got benched, it was going to carry over into the following year,

including with the weapons, they're going to be the goddamn team to watch and the team to beat. I enjoy it. And I'm going to say it again. Like I said, way back then, y'all boys keep pounding. Keep on pounding.

I'm not even, I'm not even a curse. You remember the game that he out? Who did they play? Was it the Falcons, that he went to the Falcons? He threw for 400 guards. 454 yards y'all keep saying it's one game but right now he's uh they're 70s who said it was one game they won the same number game they won the same number game as the detroit lions they won one more game than the cowboys and they beat the

cowboys so what what what are we saying somebody in the chat talking slick to about one game or just yeah yeah they talk about bright young head one game y'all better do your homework do your homework now come on man what you talking about man I told they did it look Brian for a Forbes Jr. For the Rams, you owe you, you owe your team, bro. Emmanuel? You owe you team. You owe you team.

Brian, I think Forbes Jr. Forbes Jr. for the, uh, uh, the Rams. The DB. E Forbes. Yeah, that's Emmanuel. Emmanuel Forbes. He owe, Ocho. He owe.

Fourth down, touchdown. Fourth down, touchdown. You can't get up a touchdown on a fourth down. Damn. You can't. I mean, I thought it was rerun just in that truck or what's happening now.

But the chat ain't going to know that reference. They don't know rerun to rerun and ain't nobody old enough ain't nobody in the chat old enough to know about what's happening.

Yeah, but no, the Carolina's playing really well. They got a chance to win that division. Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Not only they... Because they got the same, they have the same number of wins

as Tampa. So, and they get Tampa Union. So they could, they could easily win that division. And I think, I, I think people are overlooking the Panthers this year. They're winning game. Man, what the hell? Go ahead, Elgado. Can you still hear me, though?

I hear you. I don't, I don't know why people are overlicking the Panthers. maybe because they've been bad in the past, so they're not giving them their respect, their due respect because of who they are. But when you break it down in perspective on the number of wins they've had and where they're same records as the Cowboys, they just don't have the hype behind. They don't have the hype train behind them. So the only people that are talking about them are those that are actually Carolina

Panther fans. But at the end of the day, when you bring everything in their life, you know, they're going to light as a whole they're just as good with a chance to win they got their division they must be they on there they got to be on there coming on their by week this week they got they got 13 games already played so they they got to be on coming on the by week like with the 49ers or something how the hell they're gonna be on the by week in the season almost over oh cho they seven to six everybody else nine and three 10 and two god damn on honest they're on their by week with the 49ers the 49ers buy week this week

Honestly, if I don't play this many games, I wouldn't even want no bi-week just damn late in the season. Honestly. Me personally, uh-uh. What you won't? Huh? What you won't? No, I say I wouldn't want no bi-week this late. You want to keep playing?

Yeah, yeah. I want my week off. Now, we're playing too well and take a week off. Forget that. The bi-week, they should have had their bi-week week six, week seven. That's a lot of games to play throughout. I mean, just like you said, if you had your bi-week, week, week three, week four, week five, and now you got to.

No, I say, I say, no, you know what, Ocho, get that, get refreshed, get your mind recharged, hey, you got a week off, get out of here. Hey, if you need, hey, get your, get your day of treatment, then get out of here, go somewhere nice and warm, take the missus somewhere, take mama somewhere, hey, ask your in-laws or your mom, them parents. Watch the kids, you and old lady, dip. That ain't what I did, but I'm saying.

That's what y'all should do. We wasn't getting no week off, though, man. We got Friday, Saturday, and Sunday had to be back Monday. Yeah. Same, same. Yeah. We ain't getting no time off like that. But no, Carolina's playing good.

They ran the ball 40 times for 164 yard. Chuba Hubble Hubble was running extremely hard a day. Rico Dowdle, 18 for 58. didn't have a big time day, but when the Rams tried to get the ball back, they're like, nah, we ain't going to get back to you. Stop us if you can, and they couldn't. But like you said, Ocho, the team that you said,

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Bill's beat to Pittsburgh Steelers by the score of 26 to 7. Aaron Rogers, playing with a cast to protect the fraction left wrist, completed just 10 of 21 attempts, 117 yards. His third lowest total in any game where he's thrown at least 20 passes. His 10 completions were also the fewest in any game with 20 pass attempts.

He also was strip sack, bust his nose. Aaron Rogers turned 40. on Tuesday. Man, Joy Boas, I thought Joey Bosa saw them half. I thought they liked the magician. You know how they saw the other sister in the house? Yeah, he got him good. He got him real.

Hey, that blindsided, that blindside is deadly. There's a reason those, there's a reason the left tackles make so much goddamn money. I know you're protecting that blindside, but I know Debo, I know Debo going to be mad again. I know Debo going to be mad again. He's going to be hot because, I mean, the defense again, the defense again, the defense again. you have the highest paid defensive squad in the NFL

and you ain't playing like it. And they got ran through it. They got ran through like foreign water through a tourist. Like nothing. 250. Look, somebody can throw for 500, you know, hey, I can run a couple of drink players

don't try I do, start a goal, I can do all this. But when somebody line up and they run the ball 51 times, for 250 yards. They just walked up to you and hit you in your face. Basically. Is it what you going to do?

Basically, that's what it is. That's what running the ball is. Moving a man against his will. No tricks, no gimmicks, straight down hill. A gap, B gap, C gap, toss. That's it. Hey. Aaron Rodger said, man, you know,

what, I'm done. I don't see a scenario where he comes back this year, Ocho. He's taking a beating, Ocho. And the thing is, is that it's cold in Pittsburgh, Ocho. It's cold in Baltimore. It's cold in Cincinnati. It's cold in Cleveland.

So, you know, as you get older, Ocho, if you go back and look at Aaron Rogers, he played his best games late last year in Detroit, I mean, in the Jets, where were they playing? Miami. Where are they playing? Jacksonville. Warm weather.

But you know what? I mean, he's been in a cold so long dining in Green Bay. I know even though he was younger, he should still be okay and be able to muster up. Whatever it is, he needs to muster up to still be able to perform at a high level. I mean, even an old Aaron Rogers is still. Now, I think people, let's not be mistaken. Even an old Aaron Rogers is better than half the goddamn league at the quarterback position. But an old Aaron Rogers can't elevate a team.

in the championship contending team. And that's the thing. And so when old people, they got money and they live up north, what they do, Ocho, they go to Florida. They go to Arizona. They go to be in that cold weather. They go to be in that cold weather

because it's good, it's lubricating them bones and joints. Did you just try to throw something? Are you trying to insinuate Aaron Rogers coming to the dolphins? No, I'm trying to say he's for it. He's about to be 42. My bad, I thought you were just saying, okay. You remember how when you were in your 30s,

as we started to age, those legs hurt. Imagine, think about it on your when you retired at 34, now imagine I'm going to put eight more years on it and you taking those legs. Those legs hurt

when you was in your 30s. Imagine what they feel like. I promise you, a 40-year-old body was not meant to take those kinds. I don't even know the body was meant to play football. There wasn't about the football.

When God made the body, he's like, you know what? I make this kind of, to withstand this kind of punishment. You know what's funny is you say we're staying that kind of punishment. Like, I,

you know all of me as I play unc I might have got hit clean maybe two three times that's it and it hurt didn't it them two three and you was in your 20s so imagine you taking those same shots in your 40 yeah I see what you mean I see what you mean hey hey listen I was so good at making business decisions and being able to get down necessary I didn't take any punishment I didn't take any punishment like you really had you really had to catch me I'm about clean and it only happened it only happened

maybe two times I'm too about clean like well god damn it even questioned do I really want to still play this game like clean like that why am I doing this to myself yeah

as you get older old show man hey when you're young and you want to prove how to I'm like man I started getting older I'm like I've been in the NFL I'm tough I don't prove it I'm tough I've been here right right I don't need to prove it no more

If I want to stay another couple of years, hey, Ocho, at the beginning of the every year, I made sure, hey, get everything in service, make sure my blingles work. Blinkle, blinkle, blinkle, right on the bottom bounds. Bleakle, blinkle. You was good, huh?

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Look, the Ravens are in first. But, Ocho, I'm kind of nervous. Your bingoes might do something. But I'm counting on Buffalo to go. and put them in there, please. No, I'm telling you know how well we play against Buffalo.

Come on now. Hey, chat. I know, hey, chat, please explain to Unk how well we play against the, play against the bills. I'm telling you, Unk, that momentum is fin to carry. Did you see how our defense played against the Ravens? I'm hoping, I'm hoping the Bengals, DJ Turner, Demetrius Knight, I need a repeat of what we did against the Ravens in Buffalo. We can do it.

We've been bad all. season. Why we can't have two games back to back when we play well where it matters most. You're not. You're not. You're the chance. You ain't. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. I'm going to tell you how the football guys work. I'm going to tell you

how the football guys work. We're going probably, the chances out, we're going to beat Buffalo. We're going to be Buffalo. And when the Ravens, you hear me, when the Ravens come down to Cincinnati next week, huh? I'm going to that game. Huh? And

I'm taking the number, I'm taking, I don't know of butter in the goddamn chat. I'm taking, I'm taking butter with me because I want him to witness. I want to be able to, I want him to see his team lose. Huh? Take it. I told the Bengals organization, I say, I have somebody coming with me. We need to roll a red carpet out for him. Let them see what it's like to come in the Pay Corps Stadium.

Huh? Play like a Raven. You know, y'all have to pay for what y'all did on Thanksgiving night. Hey, um, play like a raven. You got to die like one. Huh? Ocho, you got to think about it. It's just hard for me to believe

the Ravens were turned the ball over five times again. It's just hard for me to believe that. Let me take you something. The Raven didn't turn the ball over five times. The Bengals forced you to turn the ball over five times. Now y'all force. Now y'all force something. Oh, yeah, we forced, forcing it.

There's a good chance. See what I'm saying? There's a good chance. And chat, anybody in the chat that's not going to along with the program that does not believe in Cincinnati, my boys down there in the 513, let me know I'm taking all bets. Steelers got a bad look here. Steelers looking bad, don't you?

They look bad. They look bad. I have a question too. Now, this is, this is, this would be out of my area expertise. This would be way above my pay grade. Okay. But are the frustrations? going to grow with Mike Tomlin coaching being at their losing or will it still be the same

thing at the end of the season he's had 17 18 consecutive willing seasons despite not going to the playoff despite not being able to contend for a Super Bowl because that's not their standard yeah and the thing is Ocho I believe they're further away now than they've ever been and this is what we know about the Steelers. The Steelers hadn't fired a head coach since 1968. Right. So when Chuck Knoll took the job, he turned it over to Bill Cowher. Bill Cowher turned over to Mike Conlin, Tomlin.

So they've had three coaches in 57 years. Normally they allow the coaches to leave on their own. But at what point in time, as Mike Tomlin likes to say, the standard is the standard. The standard that ain't been met. They haven't won a playoff game in almost a decade. Damn. Right. 2016 was the last time they won a playoff game.

They beat Kansas City in Kansas City. That was when, what you call them, went Facebook live after the game. A.B. So that's been, Ocho, that's a decade. That's a decade. You remember they had the game, home game against, I think, Cleveland. Cleveland dumped them. They had Kansas City, Kansas City dumped them.

No harm in losing to Kansas City. But it's just, it's just, I just don't see it getting better anytime soon. Aaron was asked after the game about getting on the same page as a wide receiver. Here's what Aaron had to say after the game. When there's film sessions, everybody shows up. And when I check through a route, you do the right route, you know? Like, John and I just were on the same page. I checked to his in-breaker and he ran Outbreaker.

You know, John is a true professional, so I'm sure he's, you know, he's sick, sick about that. I know, I know, I know his play you're talking about, too. I know exactly what his play he's talking about. But, hey, he's also insinuating that John and comes to the goddamn film session. Because there was no need to mention that. So he's letting John know, hey. But, because he, I'm tired of y'all keep saying, uh, we're going to get on the same,

we could get on the same page. If guys bring the ass to film session, if guys, if, when I check to a route, run the route that I checked to. Yeah. But see, when the, like I said, Chad, I get it.

I'm just, it's an old time. When did it become okay, Ocho? The quarterback called film session. and you don't show up. It's not voluntary. If the quarterback, if John said we got a meeting, it's mandatory. It is the same. It is the same as if Mike called a meeting.

I'm just confused. One, I just don't know. I can't, maybe. Yeah, I can't even see a scenario, especially in that building, you know, based on it being the Steelers and the way they can conduct themselves in general, I don't see how anyone could even miss a film session. I don't see you. I'm talking about offensively, you know, in order for things to work, you know, and be able to execute on Sundays, you got to watch film. So, you know, as Aaron Rogers, being the quarterback of the team, you need everybody that's a part of that

offense in those film sessions. Right. Like, that's important. Like, stuff like that, stuff like that, that excites me. I like watching film. I definitely, you know what I would be in. I love that. because if I'm in there, I want to know what he's thinking because I want to be where he needs me to be to catch the ball. So it's just hard for me to see a scenario. I would have never.

I guarantee, look, like I said, I played with seven for a decade. Nine years, nine, because I got there nine and he retired at the 90s scene. So I played with him for nine years. There's not a meeting he could have called. That was in football-related that I would show up for. Man, listen.

They tell me by anything about film, I might be the first one now. Because the only reason I like film study, I like going to watch film, it's because I want to be able to play fast. The more I know and recognize what I'm seeing, and I know where everybody's going to be at the snap of the ball, the faster I'm able to play. I know where everybody's job, I know what everybody's job is. I know exactly where you're going to end up.

I know what my danger is. I know what my danger spots are. I need that. So not only that, part of me being able to talk trash, huh? Part of my confidence doesn't come from my skill set or my feet of me being able to earn routes. It's about knowing your fucking responsibilities on the other side of the ball. So I know where you weak at. I'm a firm belief.

I totally agree. I totally agree. It didn't matter what they call or how they call it. What does the quarterback see? When is the quarterback ready to release the ball? Because I need to be coming open when he's ready to release the ball. Not before and not after. Because he ain't waiting.

Because guess what? Them defensive end and the tight are they not waiting. They're not waiting. I just, I don't know. I don't know if Aaron's calling a meeting. It just shows me a lack of respect. Yeah. Because the quarterback, because the quarterback is basically like when it comes to like the, in that situation, he's the leader of that offense.

Now, I don't, like I said, I just couldn't see a scenario, me personally. I couldn't see a scenario where a quarterback called a meeting. We got film session to go. You don't show up? No. And I think, I think in nine years, I might have went to one or two. Maybe, maybe. Even if it's not.

Because normally we watch film together as an offensive unit. But he might. We watch him a unit. And I saw I saw right here John's seat was right there Seven seats he saw it right there And I'm asking him What are you thinking?

Oh And I would tell I would tell Coob I would tell Coob I was like who I don't know we might need We might need to go to take that to 10th 12 to 14 Or I say we might need to back that down to 18

He would go tell Mike Mike say boss He would say I talk to boss he say, try it your way, and we see high time up in practice. That's the kind of relationship that I need to have. Hey, you cool with this? John says, okay, that time's up pretty good. He said, but I think we can get away in practice at 10 to 12

because I know come game time, you're going to be spared up. It's going to be 8 to 10. Don't run 8 to 10 in practice because then you're going to be 6 to 8 and I ain't going to be ready to throw you the ball. But we've already had that. So I'm having a discussion as we're going through, as we do an install and we start looking at what they do on tape, he's like, okay.

He said, don't, hey, flatten that off. He's telling me, he got the ball. Why would I not listen to him, Mocho? You're right. You're right. You know, it's good when you have a relationship like that, you know, and there's a certain level of trush also when it came to watching film, which is why I would never miss something like that.

And to have your quarterback even say that, it kind of bother it's not bothering me a little bit it just doesn't sit well with me because in order for me to be successful I got to not only know what I'm doing but know what the people across from me are doing as well and I want to make sure I'm available

for my quarterback every single time trust on that football field it's huge it's a huge thing it's a huge thing anytime a quarterback trust you he's going to pull the trigger for you every time every time you know what I know I can counter him.

I know where we ain't going to be at. Sometimes he might, one of my favorite things I love to do is you understand. We always talk about how AJ Brown always lines up in the same place and always run the same routes, right? Is my route tree, most of the time, obviously I was able to run all of them, right? But sometimes I would always be myself, you know, whether they, whether they clouded. You like being the ex-receiver. You like being the single receiver side.

I wasn't tripping. I wasn't tripping. You got more space to operate. So what I would always do, right? If I know, let's say, let's say if I run a dig, I run a dig, let's say I run a dig in the first, in the first quarter. And then they call that dig again. So, you know, obviously I'm two yards, maybe four yards outside the number if the ball's on the left has. So I know we're coming back to it again.

We come back to it again, I go on the top of the numbers. Knowing we running the same route and Carson won't say done, Marvin and Hugh won't say done, because they know all I'm going to do. I'm going to make sure I wind the, I'm going off the release. I don't care if you lie up in the tight end spot. As long as you 14 yards deep and be where you're supposed to be, which is two to three yards outside the numbers, I don't give it that way. You lie up in the back of the little, Cho.

And you know why they gave me that freedom? Because I knew I was supposed to be at, and I studied film. I knew everybody's responsibility on the other side of the ball. Right. The Steelers had 90 yards of total offense through three quarters. They ran the ball for only 58 yards against the bills, a bill's team that's averaging,

allowing 149 yards rushing per game third worst in the league coming into Sunday and the Steelers got 58 against a team that normally gives up almost 150 a game. Damn. Mike Tom, we got to put the hammer down, man.

I mean, what else he wanted to do? Because, but he's a lot. Ocho, if you think about it, Think about what he said. He said people need to show up. What was the issue with the receivers that was in Pittsburgh before this crop? What was the issue, Ocho?

Go back and look. Go back and look at what they've had. Excluding Heinz War and Antoine Randalio, look at the receivers they had. And it was something. You either coached it or condone it. Now, what you're doing? Amy to A, A, but you coach it or condone it?

You're right. He got to, here you go. Cam Hayward said Josh Allen need him in the stomach during the game. And he's fed up with that quarterback gets protected while players like him don't. Ocho, let's take a listen to what Cam had to say. Josh Allen, I've seen a little frustration early on. Can you talk about it or? Do you need in my stomach?

and then you're drawing back and forth and then, you know, picked off the entire game because as a quarterback that protected, but I'm not. It just pisses me off. You're saying he need you or someone else?

That's exactly what I'm saying. Did you cross the line throughout the game? That was at one incident. Is that on purpose by him? Yes. You've been said after, I had to do something to get you off of me. Kim, how do you put towards the frustration and emotions that you feel individually

that this locker feels at this point after I'm not through the loss? Individually, I'm just concerned about this team. Ocho, Camson, he's tired of it. He said he's tired of these damn quarterbacks getting protected, and ain't nobody protecting you. He need you that hard in the stomach where it hurt, where you complain of it? about it? It's the fact that he needed.

It had to be hard. Man, he got these big boys out here 400 pounds complaining about the quarterback. Oh, he need me in my stomach. He need me. Come on, Cam. Get him back. You know how to get him back?

You know how to get him back? Sack him and drop all 300 pounds on his ass. All dead weight. There it is. There it is right there. Uncle, you took the words right out in my mouth. Oh, that's what we're doing.

That's how we're going to play. Okay, I got something for you, play, boy. I got something for you to play, boy. Come up, come up that A gap, swim, rip, whatever you need to do, get that sack, and give them the people's elbow too. Give them the people's elbow with it. Coming that thing, man, I'm not coming to no media. Oh, he, the quarterback need me in my mouth, man.

Yeah, I ain't going to tell that one now. Come on, man. But you are stiller, what? Huh? You got to have that mentality. Oh, I'll get my get back. You got to get that get back on the feet. feel crying to the media.

Oh, for sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. See? And there don't be, hey, bro. Hey, I'm trying to feed my family. Me too. But I guess yours won't be eaten next week because I'm trying to put your ass out. Oh, shoot. Man, I hate that when somebody do something to your own show and they're talking about, man, I'm just, hey, I'm trying to do whatever you're trying to do. Now, what are we trying to do? Listen, I'm not even saying nothing.

I'm not even saying done, I know, because it's my job. If somebody do something to me on the field, it's my job. I got four quarters to be able to get them back or at least make it even. That's it. I'm not running to no media talking about, oh, he did. What? Oh, they protect, man, let's play ball, man. You know what to do.

Get him back. If somebody hit you, back in the day, you don't go run to the teacher and tell him. Come on, nah. This is still football. Oh, that's how we're playing? Okay, Ben, I got you. I got something for you. Man, sack him.

And when you lay on him, that whole three, three, how much you think? I'm going to think, can't wait. You're like about $2.80. That's it? $2.85. Yeah. Put that whole $2.85 on him. And give him a little extra.

And give me a little extra at the end. And when you get up off the ground, get up on the head like this here. Hip yourself up off the ground off using his head. man, boy. Hey, lucky I ain't played defense. I would have had all kind of tricks. Hey,

hey, Cam, you might have to go and Domican Sue on them. Hold on, no, don't go that far. Come on. Yeah. You don't care nothing about me? I give less than a damn about you.

That's how I look at it. Hey, eye for an eye. Yep. When I leave everybody blind, well, good. You bumping in the walls. I'm bumping in the walls. Everybody's the same. You're not going to do

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