Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL Week 14 Part 2: No Shedeur in CRUNCH TIME?! Chiefs DYNASTY OVER

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the Best of NFL Week 14! Unc and Ocho blast Kevin Stefanski for pulling Shedeur Sanders in crucial moments during the Browns’ loss to the Titans. The guys also debate whether the Chiefs dynasty is officially nearing its end and react to Jalen Hurts 5 TO game in Overtime. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Chiefs Dynasty officially over after Texans loss?13:51 -  Questionable coaching SPOILS Shedeur Sanders career day32:31 - Chargers Def. Eagles in OT, Hurts throws 4 INT47:39- Packers win thriller versus Bears54:20 - Seahawks dominate Falcons (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Tyquan Thornton dropped the touchdown. Travis Kelsey dropped two plays on that final drive, Ocho, and then one of them got picked. Rashid Rice dropped that huge fourth down. He got little, Petra. I think that thing kind of jarred him a little bit. I don't think he was all the way back, Ocho, because Petra dropped the boom on him.

He did. He dropped the boom on him. He was totally relaxed. But the Texas did an unbelievable job. They got after the quarterback tonight. they forced them, they shut down. I mean, they had to, but Mahomes were the lead rushing with a seven carries for 59 yards.

But, Coach, watching this game and you see the Houston Texans and what they were able to do, they go in the arrowhead, they get this victory, stay attached to the Jacksonville Jaguars who leaves that division. Yes. They needed this victory in order to try to gain some footing, get into the playoff hunt, and potentially chase down the Jags. But what did you like about what you saw from the Houston Texans?

Listen, the Texans got it done. What I didn't like, obviously, they didn't make enough adjustments for me, especially offensively. Once Trent McDuffie went out, you knew that Spagnola had to bring pressure. Now, with them bringing pressure, I got tired of seeing CJ Stroud run for his life and they make no adjustments offensively. Obviously, I would think if you know they're blitzing every time, stop running plays where the plays take long to develop. Just go quick game.

If anything, do things, you know, misdirection. You know, get them going one way and come back the out. opposite way was something something else but just seeing j shroud run for life but they were able to make some plays unc even with that pressure and they the back end was exposed obviously that's going to happen once you do blitz and um outside of that the defense the defense won that game the defense for the houston texans won that game for them i'm not sure what's wrong with the kansas city chiefs they lost what uh five of the wait four of the last fives or something something something like that they just don't look the same obviously they have a great run they've had a great run and

probably even though they have 15 who probably is arguably one of the greatest not maybe the second greatest quarterback of all time this year just hasn't been it for them at all everyone is healthy now offensively everyone is healthy now offensively and they let they let pack them home down uh reshue rice Hollywood brown he made some plays uh Kelsey he did he looks almost like a shell of himself damn there he didn't play well it's cold on choo when you get you know hey when you old it it's cold on your bad you, hey. Nah, that ain't, that ain't no

excuse. You know that, you have to adapt to the elements. You got to adapt to the elements. How you doubt to get old? There's a reason why all people move to Florida in Arizona. Hold on. Hold on. We've been catching footballs all our life. We ain't been 36 all our life. We haven't been 37 all our life. We've been

40 all our life. Listen to me. Listen to me real quick. All you need is your eyes and your hands. That's all it come down to. You can be 60 years old, your eyes and your hands. That don't never fail you, regardless of how old you get. But the Houston, Texas, that goddamn defense junk, boy, they can get after the quarterback, they got their back end.

The back in, man. The Blue Boy, played very well. They play very well. So I'm glad to see the Texans win. They've won the last four, their last five games. So it seems like they're ascending right now while the Kansas City Chiefs are descending. They are. Like I said, Tyquan Thornton had a touchdown.

He dropped that. great play to not give up by Lassiter to continue to fight all the way through the catch. Yes. Rishit Rice had a couple of drops. Travis had a couple of drops. We know that the offensive line is beat to hell. The left tackle comes in and he gets out. Now you're going against, you're going with an undrafted left tackle against Daniel Hunter

and Will Anderson, Jr. That's not a recipe for success, but I thought he played really, really well tonight. The offensive line is not, you know, their best. I mean, think about it. You're starting left tacklers out. Your backup left tackle is out. You're starting all pro right guard. He's out.

You're starting right tackle. He's out. So think about it. You're down. You're probably down to your backups to your backups. And at some point in time, you keep saying next man, next man up, next man up. Well, the next man up need to be making the equivalent of the guy that he's replacing. Because if you say, I got a guy that's making $15 million and then you bring a guy in $400,000.

There's a reason why one guy's making $15 million, you know, Joe. There's a reason why one guy's making $4 million. 400,000. So we've got to, you know, this notion, oh, man, next man up, next man up. There's a reason why he was down to begin with. Yeah. Yeah. I disagree with the call to Andy made because points out of premium. At this point in time, the score is 10-10. We're late in the ball game, Mocho. I won't punt the ball because at that point in time, the Texans hadn't done anything in

the second half. I think they might have had 50 yards in the second half. For the longest time, they were negative yards. Kansas City's defense and honed in Spags have done a great job of dialing it up stopping the run on first down getting after C.J. Scrow, getting him off his mark. In that situation, I disagree with Andy. And I don't like to disagree with Andy

because I think he's one hell of a coach. And his resume speaks for itself. But in a game like this, what points out of premium, I don't want to do anything. If they do nothing offensively, they're in field goal range. Yeah.

I can't make that call, Ocho. I got to punt this ball away. I understand I got Patrick Mahomes and I understand. he wants to go for it, go for, every quarterback's going to want to go, hell, he's going to want to go forward on fourth and ten, fourth and twelve. Right.

But sometimes you got to use your better part, you got to use your judgment. And like, you know what, let's punt this ball. Let's make, let's force them to make a mistake. Let's not give them a gift. And I felt that's what they did, and that was really the difference in the ball game. But like I said, these guys, I mean, Mahomes were a little off. I mean, he had great, that's a hard play to defend, and you and I talked about it. But a running back, you see, Marks, he called a touchdown.

He pretend like he was going to block. He slipped out, C.J. flips it to him because that's the guy that has his man. Well, he's coming on a blitz. I ain't standing in the block him. I'm just going to slip him and get to the flats. You see the guys, a lot of times those tight ends will be on the line. They're helping, helping everybody sink and now they drift out. The only thing I would tell North Carolina, keep it up the field.

Why are you going to get a headache? Did you see that linebacker drifting that way? Now, my horns threw a terrible pass. I would prefer you leak up the field and give yourself some room so you don't run into that headache that's in that middle lineback that's waiting on you.

But to make a long story short and I know I made a short story long, the Chiefs aren't getting very good this year. No, absolutely not. And honestly, my homes, he was 14 for 33, he had three interceptions, he's only through for 160 tonight.

Xavier Worthy had 35, and if I'm not mistaken, he might have been their leading receiver. The fact that Patchman, of Holmes with the leading rusher, that's not going to win your many games. That's not going to win your many games. You have to have some type of balance. They were one dimensional tonight for the simple fact that they couldn't run the ball.

They haven't been able to run the ball all season long, honestly. And that's why, Joe, I felt that they should have gave up the second round pick or maybe even a first round pick for A. Chan. Yeah. Because is there a back that's coming out in the draft that you believe that's better than A. Chan, that can run the ball between the tackles, can hit his head on the goalposts, can catch the ball out of the backfield? Because, I mean, Pacheco, I mean, Lord, how much.

mercy. He gets a hold. He runs right up the lineman's back. I'm like, bro, what are you doing? You look, and Kareen I'm glad to see him back, but he's basically a pile back. He's a three yard in the cloud of dust guy. He's not a guy that you can consistently give the ball to and you hope to him to break something

big. That's not what he is right now. He's a two to three yard, a carry guy. That's what he is, Ocho. And there's nothing wrong with it. There's a place for that guy that you know he can get you very, very tough yards. The initial of the first guy normally doesn't bring him down, but they need, they need playmakers. They need guys that can help Patrick Mahomes out because at this juncture, he can't do,

I mean, he can't do any more than what he's doing. He can't, he can't. Yeah, I mean, guys got to make plays and when your quarterback, and that's the thing. When your quarterback isn't playing well, you need guys that can step up and make plays. And he didn't get any help tonight. Yeah. No, he didn't. And the playmaker that we're speaking of, honestly, Young, I think as far as the receiver,

But receivers are concerned, I think they're set there. But Patrick Mahomes has to stop running the ball so much. They need a premium. Yeah, they do. They need a premium back. Like when I think about Breeshall, I think Breeshall might have had a chance to go there before, before the deadline for trade, for trades. That would have been perfect for them. That would have been perfect for them.

So a running back like a Jemir Gibbs, I'm saying, I'm not saying there's another Jemir Gibbs out there. But somebody like that, yeah, yeah, A. Chan, a running back like that, that can actually hit his head off. the goalpost from anywhere, and every time he does get the ball, you have the chance that something could happen. You know, that takes some of the pressure off from the homes, not having to do so much with his arm all the time and always happen to be Superman and make the plays

that he's made. Yeah, because the thing is, Ocho, sometimes in the West Coast system, the short passing game is an extension of the run. They need the run. They don't need an extension of the run. They need to be able to run the football, and right now they can. Now, the offensive line is beat to hell, and we understand that because, you know,

your right tackle is out, your left tackle, went out. The guy that replaced him went out. So now you're down to your third guy at tackle who's an undrafted free agent. Now your right guard is out. Now you're down to your backup at right guard. So it's tough. It's tough. It's really tough.

Go ahead. Yeah. I have a question. I don't know why his name is slipped in my mind right now. The running back they used to play for the Kansas City Chiefs. He tore his ACL, but before he tore his ACL, he was fast. Jamal Charles? Jamal Charles.

that's what they need. They need another Jamal Charles or somebody like that. I mean, man, listen, Jamal get that ball. If he hit that edge and get to that second level, you might, you might, the fat lady might as well sing. They need something like that. There's nothing like that in the draft. I don't think so either.

So whoever and whatever they do get, it has to be an off-season acquisition. I have a good one for you right now, I think they need to do whatever they need to do in the off-season. They need to go get Alvin Kamara. Nah. They need to go get. No, not at this.

not at this juncture of his career. Too many catches, too many carriers on that body. He's not that guy anymore, Ocho. He's serviceable, but he's not that, Ocho. No. Breeze Hall. He's much, he's much easier. I'm going to, he's much better than what they have right now.

But that ain't saying nothing, Ocho. You don't need, you need, you need a guy that you could really depend on. He's breaking down in Kansas. He's breaking down in New Orleans. Do you realize how many touches he has on his body? Yeah. Yeah, I know. You realize how many, how many,

He touches Derek Henry has anybody? Yes. Look what he did last year. He's not the same this year. And maybe that's because he's not getting the same opportunities as he got last year. I think, I, me personally, Ocho, I think they need a little bigger back. No, they got Kareem Hahn. Ocho, stop it.

Ocho, come on now. We love Karene. We appreciate him coming on. Okay, wait, wait, you said a bigger back, but they're bigger back and only do so much. A brief haul. They need that type of back. A guy that's big can run with power. and run with speed.

Okay, okay, okay. Everybody, look, Jamir Gil, but they also have David Montgomery. You look at, look at the Green Bay. They got a two-back system, Josh Jacob, and they got, 23, I can't get his name up to the top of my head. Look at, look at the 49ers, Brian Robinson, Jr., Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, Chris McCaffrey, yeah. So the backs need to, I mean, they've got to do some soul searching.

They really do it. I thought Kansas City defense played really well tonight. They didn't, they weren't, I mean, there are some times that they got through and they couldn't get a CJ on the ground and he made some plays. But see, that's what happens. When you bring pressure and you sacrifice your back in because, you know, once McDuffie went out, they're okay back there, but they're not great. No. They make, they make, they hate when they can bring, when that pressure can get there. If the pressure don't get there, guys are going to be running open.

Yeah. you know the bad thing about it is is for Spags having to make the adjustments with Trent McDuffie going out when you do bring that pressure, McDuffie can lock down one side. He doesn't need any help. So you can bring all that pressure

from the opposite side of the field knowing that Trent McDuffie going to take care of the side. But once he goes out, hey, you're backing and basically exposed, which is why C.D.H. I was able to make some of those plays despite him having to run for his life

most of the goddamn time. You're right. You're right. But look, it's one of those, is the Texas, this is what the Texas defense did in the second half. They picked Mahomes off twice. Yeah. I mean, he went like, what,

nine straight passes. The paths were either incomplete or they were intercepted. 28.6 completion percent rate, and they had almost a 42% win rate. And when you look at it, the Houston, Texas are now eight and five. They're in the eighth seed

behind the leg of behind the Chargers. But they're game back. their game back of Jacksonville and they got three of their last four games are at home they really do control their own desk

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Oh, Cho. Yeah. What I don't understand. Yes, sir. When you come, you're down 14, you score touchdown. You're at home. Why are you going for two? Yeah.

Kick the PAT and guess what, Ocho, you're down seven. Now you score a touchdown and kick the PAT. Guess what, Ocho, we tied? Yeah. I mean, honestly, there's no, there's no, there's no explanation behind what the Fansky is doing. There's none, there's none at all. But what I can tell you is I can tell you that his job, that his job is secure,

which is why he's making the calls that he's making. There's no reason. You got six minutes left in the game. Shudor goes down. Shoulder goes down. any scores why go for two Ocho tell me

I just I need somebody to offer me an explanation when you're down 14 you're at home even if you're on the road you're down an even number why would you go for two

because now if you get you're chasing points you don't need to do that hold on for one as well as he was playing look at the numbers he put up the day as well as he was playing all game long right

you want to put the ball in your best player's hands that has a hot that has a hot hand at the right time. Who is that? Should do her. So if you are going to go for two,

if you're going to make that decision to go for two, you put the ball in your quarterback's hands who just drove you down, not once but twice on back-to-back drives to get you a chance to win the game or at least tie the game. I think, I was so confused by this, I had to make two phone calls.

I had to make two phone calls to people who have been head coaches before just to make sure I can get a better understanding and get a better understanding and get a better perspective and context on what was being made. But obviously, even though they're not coached anymore right now, even though they're not a part of the NFL right now,

the answers they gave me were PC. So they wouldn't give me what I really wanted to hear, and I'm not going to say any names. But Stefansky, I can't say anything about it being fired because this is the reason why they didn't want you to do or start in the first place. Because now you see what he's capable of. Because everybody said if he just started at the beginning of the season, what could we have been?

And, um, I mean, this is exactly why they didn't want him started. This is exactly why he wouldn't get any reps because they understood what you would get once he gets in there and he gets acclimated to the system with his players and it gets any kind of chemistry and continuity with that offense. This is what you get. And the stuff you pull in when you get, after you score and taking them out,

this is not college. You're not running trick plays. You're not going to fool anybody. The Wildcat is not going to work. This is not 2007. Ronnie Brown in back there. And they tried to run the wildcat, Ocho. They tried to run the wildcat.

Look, the reason why the Dolphins ran the wildcats is because their quarterback wasn't any good. You got a competent quarterback that's playing his ass off. I felt that he made probably one mistake tonight, Ocho, is that when he threw the ball up down the middle of the field when he was playing so well and he didn't really need to do that. And that's why I left you do her. You're playing so well, you know you're not supposed to just heed the ball up

down the middle of the field. Other than that, Ocho, I thought this young man playing. extremely well. He was balling his ass from. Throw him a touch. Did you see the one he dropped down in the bucket? Oh, man, he dropped it in the bucket. Yeah.

Good thing. The pros that he had, that was given a Fanon Jr. The one he needed to touch the Jerry Judy that he hit for 60, that basically was the same play that he missed, that he overshot him the game before. But he hit him this time. And I'm glad, I'm glad him and Judy got on that same page this week. I was happy to see that. But that goddamn fanning Jr.

You know, but he's the real deal. Every, every goddamn week, 44 popping up on film. Every week 44 popping up on film. I don't know what they got. I don't know what kind of chemistry. I don't know if they stay after practice and they work together. But every time the ball is in the air, he got to happen. He got to happen.

I agree. Hey, what about the touch pass that he threw the, he retreating and through the touchpast in Joku? Oh, yeah. I mean, he has things that you just can't teach. no no you can't have things that you can't teach and and the funny thing about go ahead make your point no i'm gonna say what he lacks in mobility he makes up in so many other areas when it come to when it come to being able to extend plays being able to playoff script being able to being able to be accurate being able to be accurate you know on the run he's phenomenal at that and the fact that

that he looks is good and only his third star as bad as the cleveland brown team is not defense, team is offensively. They have him in there and give them that spark to where now in each game, they're competing. Yes. They're competing week in and week out. And he's playing through his bulljive coach. Hey, matter of fact, maybe we can ask the chat,

even if you don't like Shador, you know, even if you don't like the Browns. Can you please give me an explanation in the chat why you take him out two drives, back to back, with opportunity to get closer and put point when points are a premium in a situation like this where you want to win a game. You would think to fancy would want to win the game, but some of the play codes you have in situations like that, you're putting your team in harm's way.

For me, it was to take him out, going to the Wildcat, when your best player, you know, he needs to be on the field. But what I don't understand, I need somebody to explain to me why did he go for two points on the first time they scored the touchdown? That's what I need to understand

because at that point in time, Ocho, you don't need it. You don't need it. You don't. And then, so let me get this, so now we're down eight because we were dumb. I don't know what happened.

Maybe an eagle had a rock and he dropped it on my, and Stefanski's head. I don't know what happened. But so now we got to go for two. So we're going to take, we're going to take Sjouder out and we're going to run Wildcat

and the guy for getting to pitch the ball I'm thinking I'm thinking he was supposed to pitch it, Ocho Yeah, he was supposed to pitch and he was supposed to come around and I guess he was going to throw it I guess somebody else was going to go out more past.

I guess, I guess, I guess, I mean, at this point in time, we just like everybody else, we had a loss for words. I'm confused. I mean, the only way as a head coach, this is how I know a job isn't in jeopardy.

This is how I know a job is in jeopardy because when your job is in jeopardy, you call plays that are conducive for you to look good as a head coach. And with a quarterback plan as well as he was playing, even if it wasn't your door, a quarterback that has a high hand

like he had that game. You're not taking him out. No, you're not taking him out because your job is on the line. You're not taking him out. Your job is on the line. I need to do everything I can to show management

and those that are in position. position to power who can make the call on whether I stay or go, that's coming from up top, huh? Matter of fact, we can't even blame the coach. This is the same situation. Who's the reason who took the fall for Lukey getting traded again? Nico. Tepansky is basically Nico Collins.

Stafansky is taking all the heat. But the call is coming from up above. Got to. Listen, do whatever you need to do, do whatever you need to do, do whatever you need to do to make him look bad. Because there's no way. you're not trying to win? Are you trying to tank purposely? Are you trying to make your team look bad purposely? Because that's exactly what you're doing. Because you have every Cleveland

Brown fan, every football fan, scratch your head about the decision making you, making as a head coach. I've had people reach out to me and ask me, they don't even really know football like that. Say, why they take your door out? Because I, they say, we ask, I'm going to ask you because I know you played the game, you watched the game, you studied the game. I said, I don't know. They're like, you know something. I'm like, damn, but I ain't in Cleveland. I don't know. Hell, if I do, I tweeted, it needs to be studied. They need a, a DOJ, Department of Justice, I need y'all to open up an investigation

and what the hell is going on in Cleveland. What the hell is Stephansky doing? Because it makes no sense. Even if you want to run the wildcat, considering that your quarterback is playing at a, he's on fire. He's hotter than four foxes in a forest fire. That's how hard he was, Ocho. And you take him out, you take him out to do, think about this, Ocho, you take him out to have

somebody else throw a pass. Because that's what it looked like. If you were going to flip it to him, what was he going to do? Run it or he was going to run and put up and throw up, pull up and throw a pass. So that's what I did to know. Listen, he were going to, he were going to throw it to somebody. If junkers, it flipped the ball like it's supposed to, obviously misdirection. you know how well misdirection works when you're playing against the defense that's extremely

aggressive extremely aggressive you're hoping somebody misses assignment in a in a back in a back or a receiver or a tight in you know leaks out and he's wide open but it didn't happen it didn't work that way what the ball is the door is i don't i don't i don't care i'm gonna go down i'm gonna go out and look if you now hey you brought me this far you brought me this far yeah if this as far as you can take us what you bought us farther than that was. Yeah. I don't get it.

I don't get it. And I just told you. It doesn't make, hold on, Joe. Here's what Stefansky said about going for two, that last two-point conversion. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Yes, so. What was supposed to happen on that last two-point conversion?

Yeah, not going to get in all the specifics, Jeff, but obviously did not go as we thought. Did you make that call or did Tommy? Yeah, I make every call. I make every call. Why would you take them off? Yeah, again, it's a two-point play.

Didn't come through on our first two-point play. I got to the second two-point play. We didn't come through, but that's on me. Was that play call yours or Thomas? I'm responsible for all of it. No, I thought you turned over play-calling duties. Now, it's been reported. Mary Kate, I need you to call.

I need you to let us know, jump in the chat. Because it was reported that he turned the point. calling over the time he reached, right? Isn't that the O.C? So I know everything's on you and you don't want to get into it. Get into it. What went into your thinking that when Shador Sanders had led you back from 14 down, he had led you back, what went into the decision to take him off the field

and potentially have someone else throw a two-point conversion? What went into your decision, Coach Demandsky? Hold on. Hold on. Not only have someone else throw the two-point conversion, have someone else throw the two-point conversion that wasn't your quarterback that was on fire like he was playing NBA jams. Hold on.

A play like that in college, I understand it. Yes. I understand it because they don't see it coming. In the NFL, it's not working. That's a play for the movie The Longs Yard. Or maybe on Thanksgiving and you're in the goddamn turkey bowl. That's what it's for. Or maybe the movie Waterboy.

That's when you run a play like that. Not with a game on the line that you're actually trying to win and compete. Like, what are we doing? I swear for God on my mom, rest of peace. I had to call two of my former coaches to get a better perspective on what they were doing because you've been a head coach. Please explain to me.

You've been in that position before. If that was you, why do you call a play like that? And of course, they wouldn't give me an answer. They wanted to keep it PC. Like, come on, man. Well, first of all, you should have been in that situation because you should have kicked the PAT to begin with. Why the hell you're going to?

You go for two on the first P-A-T. You're only down 14. You're down an even number. So why the hell are you going, why are you hell are you going for two on the first P-A-T? If you just kick it, now you're down seven. Now you don't have to chase the second point. That's what makes no sense to me.

Nothing. First of all, it didn't make. Who he started, he went with Flacko. Okay, fine. They said Dylan Gabriel, they drafted him in the third round. Okay, whatever the case. may be we can't go back in time undo what's already done but moving forward the guy gives you a great opportunity to win a great opportunity he's playing his ass off and you undercut him by taking him off the field you undercut him by going for two when it's unnecessary so i'm just

trying to figure out and i don't want to use the word sabotage but i will say i'm trying to understand your rationale and your thought process, what goes into going for two the first time when you're only down 14, you kick the PAT, you're down seven. Okay, now you're down eight because you didn't get the first PAT, I mean the first two-point conversion. So now you're down eight, you've got to go for it. What goes into a rationale after you see what your quarterback is done, why would you take him off the field and ask somebody that doesn't play the position?

do you really are you really really trusting someone that hasn't thrown a pass to throw a pass in that situation in that moment at that junkyard of game you really want to do that oh cho is that really what you want to do chat hell no they're doing that on purpose they're doing it on purpose and it's just it's just not this just just think about since training camp just think of all the games they've continued to play their organization has to be in team to play, you know, with your door, just in general. They did not want young bull to be a starter because they understood if he gets the opportunity to play, the numbers you see him putting them up, putting them up, putting up, him getting an opportunity to play, he's going to give them their best chance to win. They don't want to win. Where if they do want to win, they don't want to win with him behind center. That's the only answer I can think of for you to be pulling that kind of bull drive I saw out there today. As a former player, as a football fan, As a fan of the game,

this is for anybody, for any team, for any quarterback, you always want to put your quarterback and your team in the best positions to win because that's the point of playing this game. You want to win. And that shit, I'm sorry. That he pulled the day was ridiculous. On the downside, I was disappointed in Cleveland's defense,

rush defense. Tony Pollard had 25 carries for a buck 61, had a 65-yard run, had another long run, they've got to do a better job of stopping the run. And so now we can put more pressure on Cam Ward. But when you're in second and short, your third and short, it's hard to rush to quarterback, Ocho, when you're in short down and deep. Because you don't know, they can run it.

Now, if we got it second and long, we got it third and long, now we can unleash Miles Garrett. Now we can unleash some of these rushers. But I just need somebody to tell me, I need someone to explain to me. And I need you to explain it to me as if I'm a seven-year-old. So it's like a kid going to his father. And he's asking him a question, father. That's what I need somebody to explain it to me.

Because it makes no sense. As a guy, also, as guys that played the game, as a guy that studied the game. And that's what I do. I don't look at touchdown. I'm glad they scored. I'm looking at how they scored. I'm looking at why they scored. I'm looking at what did the defense do.

I'm looking at what play was called. what personnel were you in so I can have a better understanding and sees, okay, I saw what this worked. But when you, to do this, it makes no sense. Yeah. And can I say one thing also?

Let's say the Cleveland Brown defense, they've been playing their ass off all season. They've been playing their ass off all season. They've been stopping the run. They've been stopping the past. So you know what? You come to a game where now we need the offense. when we was down 14.

God damn it, the offense showed up. The offense showed up. They showed up. Miles Garrett got to be pissed. Denzel Ward, Dale Pitt, they have to be pissed because I know they see it. I know if anybody was miced up. I know on the sideline, if you can hear the defensive player talking,

they'd be like, man, what the hell are we doing? What the hell are we doing? Okay, they're running the ball on us. Now, this is one of the few games. We need our offense to have our back. long be motherfucking hole the offense had their back with a position

twice, two different drives drove down the field we score we go for two what we get the ball back go right back down the field again and we do the same bullshit again

they got to be pissed but they can't say none they're not going to say none they know it's some bull drive but players in that locker room they can't say anything but they can see

Yeah, really? They can see, they can see clear as they. They know what's going on. They know what's going on. But if I can see it, and I'm all the way down here in Miami, a thousand something miles away, come on. We know who can play and who can't play. Come on, man.

We know who can play and who can't play. When you're in the locker room, you know exactly who can play, and we know exactly who can't play. I don't care what coach does. I don't care how much money you make. I don't care where you were drafted. I know if you can play or not, because I see you every day. Yeah.

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eagles were going down to win or even tie the game win touchdown tie field goal and then we play on then the next score wins instead jaylon her Hurts threw into heavy traffic. The ball was deflected by Tony Jefferson. That's fourth interception, four interceptions by Hertz. And he had another fumble, turned the ball over twice on one play, Ocho. Yeah. A new career high for interceptions on the game.

Now, for all you guys talking about, they need to let Jalen Hurst throw more. Let Jailerhers throw more. Exhibit A. Hey, hey. Go ahead. I was going to say, obviously, I didn't, most of the time, you think about Jalen and his decision, making with the ball, even though he doesn't throw the ball much on, he always protects the ball.

I think before this game started on the season, I think he maybe had three, maybe four interceptions up to this point in the season. And to have a game like tonight where his decision making wasn't what it usually is, especially at the end of the game, understanding the circumstances, the flat route is right there. The flat route is right there. Make the guy come up, make a goddamn tackle instead of trying to squeeze. Thank you.

Thank you, Ocho. Well, thank you. Hold on. Instead of try to squeeze a corner route, which you running, which they run in the corner route to the goddamn short side of the field. So chances are, that's not going to be open. He can play both of them. He can play the, so he, so he, oh, Joe, to your point, because he's in between Goddard

and the route, you don't have space. You need space because where are you going? You can't run a 20-yard out route because you're going to be out of the damn end zone. So Goddard goes up five yards and he goes up seven yards. The guy's in between, he can literally play both. That's, obviously, if you're going to run that concept, if you're going to run that route, that combination concept, you've got to run that to the wide side, huh?

You've got to run to the wide side. Why run something like that in that situation to the short side of the field? It makes no sense to me. But in that situation, if you do run it, Jane has to know, boom, as soon as that corner, if soon as the corner drops off just a little bit, trying to play both, trying to play in between, just take what's in front of you right now.

Let them come up and make the tackle. That's it. That's all you have to do. You live to see another down. Ocho, even if you run that to the short side of the field, you need to have distance. You got to have separation because he knows where is number two. That's Dawson.

I think that's Dawson, right? Isn't that Dawson? Yes, yes, yes. Where is he going, Ocho? He can only run so far where hell he'll be in Compton. Yeah. Which will be out of bounds. So no touchdown.

So he knows that. So now I can play, I can solve play it, because if you throw it to guard it, I'm going to come up. It's only a three-yard game. Yeah. I'm hoping you throw it to guard it so I can tap. But guess what? Since you didn't, I get my hand up in the ball caram.

He played awful tonight. There's no way around it. One of those picks wasn't his. What's it called him? Brown, AJ. Yeah. He saw that linebacker. He saw that linebacker.

That's the one you got, that's the one you got to protect him. Yeah. You see the guy. You know there's a linebacker. linebacker coming, you've got to protect the guy. That's where you throw it at his waist. That's why you get him down and allow him to protect himself. Yes. Tell him with, uh, uh, uh, AJ knows that hit his company coming. He's got to make that catch.

You've got to make a play. He can't pop it up because if you're pocketing up, the guy of his trailer, you go get a pick. Every time. It's as simple as that. But AJ knows he's got to, he's got to make that play. Mm-hmm. But then he had on his own, he hit the detackler in the damn chest. And then the guy comes. Oh, hold on. Hold on. Or behind, huh? Hold on.

Listen, that zone blitz and that D tackle pop out instead of Russian, that's hard to see. That's hard to see for a quarterback. So let me ask you question. Yeah. The guy that he was trying to throw it to was behind the guy that he hit in the chest. How is that hard to see? No, no, I'm just saying, you know, that's why it's called his own bliss and they had that that detackle pop out like that because you're not expecting as a quarterback.

You already, what's that, predetermined? You already predetermining what the ball is called. I just wanted you to say that. Yeah, okay, okay, okay. That's all I just wanted him to say. say that, Chad. Right, right. He had already made his mind up where he was going with the football. Right, right. That's all I just want him to say that,

chat. Yeah. You're absolutely right. Mm-hmm. So, here's the thing, Ocho, you make a terrible read. You hit the guy in the chest. The guy comes from behind him, scripts him of the football. Okay, the ball pops out. You get it. It's going to fall in the ground because guess what, Ocho, since it's a change of possession,

is your ball and his first down going that way. Now you try to be hero. Jalen want to be a hero. Because we're going to talk about it on sports We're going to talk about it tonight if he gets that ball up and gets 10 yards, get 15 yards. So instead of doing the wise thing,

what did he try to do, Ocho? Try to run a little bit. Guess what happened, Ocho? Ball out again. He fumble again, yeah. Yeah, hey, it was a weird game tonight. It was a weird game tonight with so many fumbles, whether it was special teams,

whether it was both offenses. It was eight turnovers in the game tonight. I'm not sure what the record is for the most turnovers in the game, but this has to be up there with it. This has to be up there with it. And I really thought the defense would have saved the day for them. And obviously, they would have been that San Diego got a field goal in the first overtime.

So I thought, hell, the Eagle's going to go down to score. You know what you need. I was actually hoping they were going to score, you know, for their sake and with the way they played. But unfortunately, the decision making on Jalen, you know, at the end of the game, it kind of, it kind of hurt. And another thing, one of the, one of the best throws, one of the, one of the throws that that tour. I know the throw you talking about. That third and 15

where he let that ball go right off the to DeVante. Ooh. I knew the play exactly the play you talking about. Boy, that was beautiful, boy.

That's what we call anticipating and letting it go and trusting your receiver. That was beautiful right there, boy. That was our show. That's what they ask him to do.

That's what he doesn't do well enough. When it's one-on-one, yeah. But see, the really good one, you have to throw in the windows. You have to trust your skill set while also trusting your receiver to be where he's going to be, but you really got to trust yourself. You really have to trust yourself.

Yeah. Hey, also, Ocho, when you ran that bang, that bang, that bang eight, you look, hey, on that seventh step or that glance, we call it a bang, eight, you call it a glance. When that seven step and the outside foot hit, when I do this, bah, ball in it. That ball should be right there. I mean, I don't care what that safety does.

I don't care. All I know is that corner is on my outside. That ball's going to be there. And the quarterback job is to protect me, is to protect the floor. Don't put it back here and make me do this until he can knock it down. Put it right there. And another thing. Put it right there.

And the safety come. I can protect myself. Listen, and don't let the safety take a goddamn bad angle. And I want to keep that thing. I'm out the backside on his head. And dip on it and come out the backside. I got I got away with it one time. I never forget.

We were playing the Buffalo Bills at home. Nate Clemens. Nate Clemens was guarding me. I'm not sure what that safety was thinking about. But when I took that seven step or like I made my fifth step, I was peeking at the safety. And, oh, he was in the wrong place. He was in the wrong place. He had his feet.

He had his feet set instead of getting back in that pedal. He wasn't in no shovel. You are already in the pool sprint. Man, I hugged that, I hugged that bitch and went in like a damn near you turn. Hug that bitch and came back down here and got up at the back door and scored. Hey, we ain't got no Eagle fans tonight, don't you? They're not in here? I know, because, you know, they normally, whoa, whoa, whoa, what you got to say now?

Ocho, what y'all got to say now by the Eagles? What y'all are after? Eagle fans, come on. We need you. Get the chat up. How many we got in the chat right now? Come on, Eagle fans. I know y'all look.

They might be sleep long as late. What a bird is there? Uncle, normally, normally eagles fly, eagles fly. All you see is eagles, everybody chat. Eagles across the board. What y'all at? Oh, there you go. There and one.

There's one. Hey, they in there. Hey, but if you know this, Ocho, one of the wings broke. The eagle like this here, he got one, the other one to his side. So we got to get them to a vet. In advance in the house, in advance. The eagle has landed. Crash landed.

Yeah. This is a good thing about it, though. The running game, the running game got going. You got going a little bit. Sequin had a hundred and some chains at night. 122 on 20 carries. Yeah. They got going.

Let me see what else. Hell, they still got a chance, huh? They still got a chance. They still have a chance to win the division. They have to play, they have to play. They got the commanders twice. They got the Giants. And who else they got?

the commanders is winnable the commanders is winnable jane daniels is out for the season oh they got raiders commanders there's a winals commanders they ain't beating the bills listen that's that's that's the toughest one right there where they're playing the bills at they plan it don't matter they can play on the moon you don't got no faith in them no they ain't got no faith in them in themselves we've seen this movie before remember a couple of years ago they got off to that great start and then they crash landed yes the eagle has crashed yes we saw that doesn't it seem doesn't it feel the same same way right matter of fact this was this was the year before the super bowl run actually yep yeah yeah yeah yeah uh uh the eagle's defense played extremely well they sat justin herbert seven

times seven times had he not been as mobile and athletic as he is they probably would have got him 10 or 11 times yeah way more than that absolutely but look at they got to figure this thing out. They really do. I mean, you look at Hunt had two and a half sacks. Bond had a half a sack. Byron Young had a sack and a half. Nicobie Dean had a sack.

Jordan Davis had a sack and a half. I mean, they were on him. Yeah. And, you know, someone, let me, let me, but Jalen Hurst two on two of those interceptions. One was A.J. Brown's fault. one the one that uh dante dionte jackson or dante johnson that that that wasn't on jane lehurst that was on smitty that's smitty smitty smitty i love you oh yeah when you slipped out yeah yeah yeah yeah you got you got to come out

that ball you got to come you got to come out that ball and you can't stop you got to come back to it that that that was on my dog he slipped yeah and normally when you slip when you try to plan on your inside foot and you try to roll in that foot get out from under you yeah instead of a Hey, Ocho, instead of dropping your weight, putting that weight on the quad, smitty, I know they small, hey, they ain't a whole lot. They're small, smitty, but you got to get back down here

because if you roll out that inside foot, it's going to get out from under you, and he's throwing it on anticipation. Yeah. And this is what's going to happen. Mm-hmm. But it's unfortunate. I mean, Ocho, have you ever seen a turnover?

There's two turnovers on one play by a guy? Yeah. Hold on. A long time ago, the New Orleans Saints was playing, I think, the Redskins. Remember somebody fumbled the ball? Or somebody fumbled the ball? And then Robert Meecham, I think it was Robert Meecham.

The Saints had the ball. It was the interception. Then Roger Meecham. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But hold on, no, no, no. Here's the thing. He, no, but the same guy did it, though. I know the play you're talking about it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He threw a pick, the guy fumbled. Yeah. Robert Meechon took it from him. Took it from him. He went back the other way with it. Yeah, yeah. I'm talking about the same guy.

he throws a pick and he has no no no no i've never seen that i've never seen that i've never seen it either i've never and i've seen some some wacky wacky wacky wacky wacky plays outlook the ball bounce is funny and you see some stuff that you like yeah you normally wouldn't see uh who is that i think jacksonville she's playing houston and you talk to bat it down he bans the ball down no cho but he bats it right to a houston texan i mean to a jacksonville jaguar who walks in the end zone on a hell Mary. Yeah. Because you knock it down,

knock it down. Oh, damn, he right there. Knock it down right in his arms. He walked right into the end zone. We see Jacksonville run all over. Who is that? Was that Jacksonville? A New Orleans.

They run all over the field. They ran a lateral. Ocho. They ladder like 40 times. Trying to score. They scored. And then the guy come on and missed the P.A. But.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I saw something they said it's the first time since 78, so I don't know. But it's a rare play. Ain't a whole lot of people have seen that play because the NFL wasn't covered like it is now, and a lot of people weren't born in 78.

So somebody might have saw it, but I have never seen it. And I've seen a lot of wacky things because I've been around since 68, been watching football since 77. Well, I've been watching to understand, but I remember the first game I probably remember is that we went over to my great-grandmother's house

on a Monday night to watch O.J. For real? Yep. To watch O.J. O.J. Then was playing on a Monday night. And we wanted to see O. My grandfather wanted to see O.J.

And so, but look, this game really, the pressure is starting them out on the Eagles. Because they got up to this great start, Ocho. They were four or five games clear. Oh, yeah, of everybody. They messed around and losing. they must rather lose another game. And the cow, hold on, how many games?

They've got to win. They've got to win. The Cowboys are what? Five and what? Six and six and one. So they've got to win. Ooh, it'll be very interesting. Three of the next five.

Yeah. Yeah, three of the next five. Well, chalking up for the Raiders. They're going to win, beat the Raiders. So, yeah, both teams got four games. So, yeah, both teams got four games. So they're going to have to The Cowboys can only

Most of the Cowboys can win is 10 Right They can be 10, 6 and 1 Mm-hmm Raiders win The Eagles win three of their last four They get to 11 11 is more than 10

It'd be very interesting to see If they go 2 and 2 Yeah Because now the Cowboys win Because the Cowboys is 10 and 6 won And y'all will be 10 and 7 Mm. Green Bay tuffed out a home win against the Bears.

Team that had one nine of the past ten coming in and knocked them off the defending Super Bowl chaps on Black Friday. Green Bay hasn't allowed more than 16 points in any of its three losses. Kristen Watson looked like a true number one receiver. Green Bay has beaten the Lions twice and the Bears once so far this season. for the winners, George Love, 17 to 25, 234, three touchdowns, one pick.

Josh Jacobs, 20 carriers, 86 yards, one touchdown. Kristen Watson had four catches, 89 yards, two touchdowns, a longer 41 on four targets. He caught everything. Boe Melton, one catch, 45 yards. He had two targets. Jane Daniels had four targets, had four catches, 31 yards. They played extremely well.

Caleb Williams, he was 19 or 35, 186, two touchdowns, one interceptions. They ran the ball 32 times for 138 yards. They made plays Green Bay defense bowed their back when they need to. I'm sure, Colm Williams, wish he could have that throwback, Ocho, because he was just a little late and get his hips around fast enough and throw it and he'll allow the safety to get. get back in and make a play. But when you watch this game, it just, that's what's the frustrating part.

You see Jordan Love and how he just throws the ball. And in some games, you just look at him like, Jordan, what are you doing? What is that? What are you seeing? Yeah. Oh, he. Man, what is? Hey, El-Baldado.

But the Packers, 337 total yards really clean game nice game let's see team stats here uh josh jacob

Josh Jacob was 20 40 carers 86 yards in the TD Christian Watson led all the receivers were four for 89 and two TDs both teams Green Bay was 8 of 20

on fourth down Chicago was eight of 16 on third down one of two on fourth downs Chicago had 68 total plays

Green Bay had 52 Chicago had 315 total yards Packers had 337 both had nine total drives Chicago had the ball almost 34 minutes

Packers had for 26 this hey they got they got they got they got they got they got they got they got they got they got they got they got up the understand they had him

uncomfortable most of the game they had him uncomfortable most of the game bliss in bringing pressure and then the Bears had a good good office game plan for that doing a lot of misdirection rolling them out to get him away from the pressure but man

that last drive was the last drive I think it was a third the fourth down. That fourth down with the interception? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that fall down with the interception.

Oh, man. That was a good game. I know the Bears lost, but that was a really, really good game with a very good packers defense. I mean,

shoo, ain't really much I can say about that one, but they played well. Yeah. I think, look, I think Chicago is ahead of schedule, Ocho,

with how well they're playing. But I think they're going to only get better. I think they have a very, very bright future. They have the quarterback. They got a running game. They got quality receivers. They got two tight ends. They revamped the offensive line.

I like the defense. The defense is really good. But Green Bay just, you know, Green Bay, when they had to dig deep and when they needed to make a stop, they got it. And sometimes that's what it comes. Look, this is division game. This is the oldest, this is the oldest rivalry in the NFL. They've been playing each other 100 plus years.

So, we're not, they've got, well, probably been, they got over 100 matchups. I think the Packers were the first team in 19, 19, 19, 20. I think the Bears were shortly there after that. So they probably got damn the 200 matchups between the two of them. But when you look at Locho, the division rival, it doesn't matter if they're good, if one team is good, the other team is bad. You already know what you're going to get. We see each other every year.

We've been in the same. It used to be the NFC Central. Now it's the NFC North. We know what to expect. We don't like you. We're about two hours away from each other. Green Bay and Chicago. You don't like us.

We don't like you. Let's get it on. We don't like you. Damn. But I like what I saw from Green Bay. I like the throws that, uh, uh, uh, Joy, love, man. He, I mean, he just, his mannerism just reminds you so much of Aaron Rogers.

You're like, damn. Yeah. Am, boy, I mean, he threw it off his back foot. But he made plays when they had to have him. His receiver stepped up and made catches when they had to have him. Now, Christian Watson, man, he can play if he can just stay healthy, Ocho. Yeah, I mean, the guy can fly. He got great.

hands he run good he run good routes it's just his ability to stay healthy and when you have that kind of speed ocho you know you're going to have normally have hamstring problem i'm surprised that's something tyreek really never faced because you know most me guys ocho they have hamstring issues they have you know soft tissue injuries you know joie gallow was was plagued with hamstring issues but christian watson had that he tore his knee but he's come back and he's playing he's playing extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely well. But Caleb Williams is going to get better. Look, it's a little setback, and I'm sure he loved to have that throw.

I mean, you don't have to get really out all the way outside. I know that's what you're like, try to put pressure on the defense by getting there right now. But, hey, if that guy's open, pull up and poppy. Pull up and let him out. Yeah, right now. Rashid Shahid returned the second half opening kickoff for 100 yards touchdown and the Seahawks blow out the hapless Falcons, 37 and 9. The Seahawks broke away with a 6-6 tie at halftime with a 31 point beat down in the second half

and the Falcons, whoo, the Seattle defense came up with three turnovers at the Seahawks won for the seventh time in eight games. In eight games, Darnold threw 249 yards, three touchdown, a pair of score. to Jackson, J.S.N, Jackson, Smith, and Jake. And another one, the Cooper Cup. Hey, J.S.N. Bowling. Oh, man.

Every week. He had a little temperate shut down last week. They did a great job of, you know, bracketing him and making it tough on him. But you look at, he had seven catches for 92 yards on 10 targets. Shaheed had four for 67, Cup had two for 35 on a touchdown on three targets. They, look. Hey, that's a nice little trio quietly.

That's a nice little trio. You got Jackson who can do everything in intermediate short. Cooper Cup, who's a tremendous route runner. And Rashid Shaheed could take the top off of a goddamn building, man. Perfect, perfect combination. Perfect trio for receivers. I thought the game got away from him. Look like Atlanta was going.

the score and then Bijan fumbled the football and they really didn't look bad after that. I mean, it kind of broke their back once they fumbled that football because they go down and they get a score. Cousins turned the ball over twice

with a fumble so they had three turnovers and it's hard. It is hard to overcome when you have three turnovers. It's hard and you're playing a good team. The Seahawks are a quality team. They're going to be a tough out. because they can run the football, they got a quarterback.

Now, look, the question is, will Sam Donald turn back into that pumpkin if you put pressure on them in the playoffs? Because we saw that last year when they went to, I think that was Detroit. In the first round. Yeah. But they got a defense. They got two corners that can lock it down. They can bring pressure.

DeMarcus Lawrence has found New Life. Jaron Reed. I mean, they got Leonard Williams. They got a really solid defense. And they got Walin and spoon. The safety's will come up in. They thump you, and they got the gritting coverage, they're good. They're going to be a tough eye for somebody.

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