Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL Week 15 Part 1: SHOCKED by the Bills 21-POINT COMEBACK against the PatriotsMicah’s DONE, Raiders as the SORRIEST team

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL storylines of the week! Unc and Ocho react to the Buffalo Bills’ incredible 21-point comeback to beat the New E...ngland Patriots 35-31. Plus, Shannon calls the Raiders the worst team in football and debates whether Tom Brady can turn the struggling franchise around and more from Week 15! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Bills vs Patriots17:28 - Broncos vs Packers27:00 - Eagles vs Raiders37:39 - Chargers vs Chiefs50:05 - Bears vs Browns (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:30 Hey, everybody, it's Chuck and Josh from the Stuff You Should Know podcast, and it's that time of year again when we knuckle down to do our annual holiday episodes. We collected our best past classic holiday episodes and compiled them into a 12 Days of Christmas Toys playlist that the whole family can enjoy. That's right. Maybe you missed it the first time we detailed the history of Beanie Babies, Monopoly, or Yo-Yo's, and a whole lot more. So listen to the 12 Days of Christmas Toys playlist on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You hear that? That's the sound of the group chat going off when your fantasy team scores another touchdown in the playoffs. I'm J.J. Zachary Eisen, host of the Late Round Fantasy Football podcast.
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Starting point is 00:02:51 Ocho, the bills came back to beat the Patriots 3531. Josh Allen engineers from wild comebacks this season, down 40, 26 in the fourth quarter. They win 40 to 41, down 2818 in the fourth quarter to the Bengals. They win 39, 34. Down 21 to the Patriots. They win 35, 31. The 21 point comeback is tied for the third largest in franchise history, including playoffs. It was the biggest blown lead by the Patriots at Gillette Stadium at home since November 12th, 1978, versus the Oilers when they blew a 23-point lead.
Starting point is 00:03:29 It was also the largest blown lead in NFL history by a team that entered the game at least nine games over 500. In the Sunday's game, those teams were 161 and 0 when leading by 20 plus points. Josh Allen was 193 of 28, 193, three touchdowns. James Cook had another outstanding day, 22 rushes, 107 yards and two touchdowns. They had 37 rushes, 168. yards, two touchdowns. James Cook might be leading the league in Russia now, because he was close. He was
Starting point is 00:04:05 close by a Johnson Taylor. Secure had 565, Dawson Knox had three for 37. Two touchdown, Dalton Kincaid had three for 34. But it was, the defense balled out. Matt Milano had 10 tackles, two sacks.
Starting point is 00:04:21 Greg Russo had a sack. I don't know where it got away from him at Ocho. Trevion Henderson was running crazy. 14 for a buck 48. Ramandre Stevenson has six for 50. Oh, Joe, they had 25 rushes for 246 yards and four touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:04:43 The quarterback ran. He had four cares for 43 yards and two touchdowns. I don't know where he got away from, Matt. I really don't. Shit, I can tell you where he got away from, Matt. Josh Allen. Josh Allen, the game, the score was 21 zip in the first quarter. The score was 21 zip in the first quarter.
Starting point is 00:05:05 If you're playing mad, the game is over. You're off the sticks. That's 21 zips scum. But obviously, the game of football in real life is played in four quarters. You have four quarters to play football. If you're not able to stop Josh Allen and one of the Achilles heel for Josh Allen, has been his ability to try to put too much on his plate, makes mistakes. He turns the ball over.
Starting point is 00:05:26 He's cleaned it up. Has he thrown interceptions? yes he has but the game and the way he put the buffalo bills on his back today to mount that comeback in the third and fourth quarter is all on him and obviously the supporting cads and making the plays but the onus on why they won that game today is strictly on Josh Allen oh man Josh Allen might be the first quarterback with 300 past touchdowns and 100 rush touchdowns he was possible he's sensational I mean he He's so...
Starting point is 00:05:59 Sensation. He's just... He was his special. Dynamic. I mean... Yeah. I sure wish we had it, but we don't. We got both, so I'm happy with both right now.
Starting point is 00:06:10 But the Buffalo bills, they eat closer, Ocho. Patriots are not a... The Patriots could have dealt a death blow. Yeah. Commanding a two games lead because we would have swept you in the division. But now... Yeah. Buffalo say, hey.
Starting point is 00:06:26 Give me the remaining scale from Buffalo the main. They're scheduled for the, the, uh, Pat. And both, man, both of them doing good, man, New England, 11 and three, Buffalo 10 and four. It's just like that in the, uh, AOC West. Because the charges, I think the charges got 10 wins. The Broncos got 12. Well.
Starting point is 00:06:58 Damn, they, but they're all right. Okay, the Patriots have at Ravens, at Jets, Dolphins at Jets, Dolphins at home. The bills have at Browns, Eagles at home, Jets, Jets. home. So Ravens Raven the past is next Sunday night, right? Yeah, the day the 40th.
Starting point is 00:07:44 Yeah. Next Sunday night pass at Ravens. That's going to be a good one. That's going to be a good one. Oh, Joe, guess what the original Sunday night football game was? What was it? It ain't y'all now?
Starting point is 00:08:12 Who was it? Bingoes Dolphins. Oh. You remember, I know you don't remember this song. Michelle Indigo cello had a song say, Boyfriend, yeah, I had your boyfriend. You say that's funny. You say I'm out of line.
Starting point is 00:08:27 That's funny. He said I could call him up any time. Say I'm wrong. You say I ain't right. If that's the boyfriend, he wasn't last night. Oh, Cho, y'all was supposed to be on Sunday night football. Oh, so they took us off? What you think?
Starting point is 00:08:40 Who do you think want to see them? Hey, that's tough. That's tough. That's tough. But listen, both teams are worthy, though. Both teams are worthy. Y'all not. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:08:57 that lets you know y'all not worthy we're not talking about the team clearly the bills are excuse me the page and the ravers are worthy you're not worthy
Starting point is 00:09:10 that's what I just said and it's only we're not worthy because we're not in the playoffs see you get all caught up in the why the reason is inconsequential to me you're not worthy so just say that
Starting point is 00:09:25 say it with me we're not worthy. We're not worthy. Thank you. We're not worthy. But let's not forget why we're not worried.
Starting point is 00:09:34 It don't matter why. We're not going to the playoffs. We're not winning right now. And we're just, we're just not, the better game for the viewing pleasures is the Ravens and the Patriots.
Starting point is 00:09:49 And that's okay. I'm okay with that. Are y'all going to win? Oh, whoa, whoa. I'm just asking the question. Don't you got a team? I just want to know how you... Are you going to win it?
Starting point is 00:10:02 Yeah, how do you feel about it? I... Yeah, we play the Dolphins. We played the Dolphins coming up. What? I mean, I mean, Jamar might go for $300. Wow! You're taking Jamar with your guppies?
Starting point is 00:10:15 The team that you was born... Hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa, the team that you was born that that's in your blood? I say you might go for $300. I'm saying, who you taking? Oh, in that game, I mean, it's split down the middle. I'm on the fence. Devine A-Chane might run for $200.
Starting point is 00:10:34 What you think? I don't know. I don't worry about the peasants teams. I don't worry about those teams. I know. I mean, listen, I don't even know if your two teams combined got the Broncos record. What's the Dolphins record? I think they won, what, four, maybe five?
Starting point is 00:10:54 And y'all ain't one about four or five? so y'all might need to play some more and maybe y'all can catch up with us. As a matter of fact, just play each other. Who's 67? The Dolph, 67, what's the bingles? Man, y'all, they got a 10 wins between the two of y'all. Yeah, so we five, we five, okay.
Starting point is 00:11:17 What do you mean, we five? Five and eight. No, you're not. We've got four wins. Four? Four? Not for F-O-F-O-F-W
Starting point is 00:11:29 Oh, that's tough I never would have thought that I would never would have thought before the season If the Bengals Nicknamed the Bungles Hey, are you feeling good about yourself, what did you think? Y'all cheap Y'all wouldn't even clear the seat. People had to sit on ice
Starting point is 00:11:50 and snow your cheap asses They cleaned it off no they didn't the NFL going to have it's going to have us in a little chart with y'all
Starting point is 00:12:00 after we charge y'all $250 file that's tough man I can't believe they move the game Fosley wins fo
Starting point is 00:12:11 hey I can't believe they moved a game huh I would take them a kid you still can take them you're just not going to be on TV not on national Sunday night TV that is
Starting point is 00:12:22 you can still take them what that mean the game at one o'clock now? That's crazy how they do that. It ain't. That's fine. And listen, me and the kids, we're going to join that game.
Starting point is 00:12:34 I don't know why. You come out better go and take them to a worm fight. A worm fight. I heard the nightcrawlers taking on the Louisiana pinks. Hey, hey, hey, you're feeling good. I feel better to you. Your teams winning. I feel better than you.
Starting point is 00:12:59 You kicking the man while he down. Don't do that. Kicking the man while he's down. No sportsmanship. Okay. Just let me ease on a little potter here, Ocho. I love it with a plan come together. I love it with a plan come together.
Starting point is 00:13:21 O'Jew, what you think about, what you think about, oh, B, you know, how old shit is you know? I got it trimmed up a little bit, on Cho. Oh, yeah. Are you growing it, you're growing it out? You know, a little seat up, you know. I like it.
Starting point is 00:13:33 Hey, listen, it's a new, new man, new look going into 2026? That's a good thing. That's a good thing. Can I get my money on, Cho, since I'm going to 26? I'm giving it to you in, hey, hold on, man, listen. I told you Christmas. Hold on. It's crimmer.
Starting point is 00:13:50 It's already crimmer. Because I got gift to buy. Birthday's coming? Hey, huh? Hello, this man got a gold yard pouch. This is what I carry my cigars in, huh? I got you, I got your money right here. Got your money right here.
Starting point is 00:14:16 As a matter of fact, I'm gonna give you interest too. Hold on. Oh, my goodness. Hey here. Hey, uh. Yeah, I see you. I'm looking at you. I got the one, two.
Starting point is 00:14:30 I don't need you to count it. I need you to. I'm just, I'm a, I'm a count your money right here. How this man, hold on, Chad, y'all see this man? This man carries cigars in a go yard. Yeah, I got to keep him fresh. Well, I'm still, because I ain't got $59.00. Hey, I got you.
Starting point is 00:14:53 I'm just waiting. I'm waiting on the rewards will come up. What award? My rewards. What reward? I'm paying $5,900 for my awards. Hey, I feel like Mayweather right now. That's, hey, that's $5,000 right there.
Starting point is 00:15:18 And I'm going to take $900. I'm going to take $900 out of here. Matter of matter of matter of, I'm going to make a clean $6,000. I show appreciate that, Ocho. Yeah, I got you. I told you Christmas. I want to make sure I want, listen, I'm in the spirit of giving. I'm in the spirit of giving.
Starting point is 00:15:33 And the one thing about it, you know, I'm, I might be cheap, but when it's time to do for others, hey, listen, I'm open arms. I'm always willing. And for you, I want to bless you on Christmas. I'm going to give you $6,000. My money. Chad, y'all ever heard of something like that? Somebody bless you with your money.
Starting point is 00:15:53 Well, technically, it ain't yours. We just, it's coming from me. Now, if you loan me $59,00, then it would be your money. I would own you. Hey, Uncle, Merry Christmas. I got you. Chat. It's been two years.
Starting point is 00:16:12 It's been a long? It's been that long? Do you ever try these TikToks? Ticktacks? No, why? I mean, what's so special about it? When I smoke, when I smoke, it's like I never had a cigar in my mouth.
Starting point is 00:16:35 Keep you fresh. Hey, they really, they really flexed our game up out of the night game. Yep. Like, that ruined everything, man. ruin up for me. Damn, man. This man got my money.
Starting point is 00:17:05 It won't even pay me my money. I just, uh, Christmas is like 10 days away. You pay me on Christmas. How do I get criminal gifts? How I get criminal gifts for people? Oh, shoot. Hey, who you got to get guests for?
Starting point is 00:17:25 I got kids. I got a sister, got a brother, got a mom. Damn, huh? Yeah, you're right. You're right by that. Yeah. I do it. I could say, I FedEx it to you tomorrow, then.
Starting point is 00:17:45 Yeah, I do that. I'll FedEx it to you tomorrow. Because, you know, I show want you to be able to get. you know, get gifts for your family and stuff. I want to get them, too. But don't look like I will be able to. I'm a FedEx to you because, you know, I know your address. I got you.
Starting point is 00:18:03 Oh, Lord, have mercy. You know, hey, I'm, hey, I'm, I'm, I got the holiday spirit, huh? I got you, man. I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. Oh, Lord, have mercy. I just don't like the fact that they flexed our game out of the 8 o'clock spot.
Starting point is 00:18:23 Nobody want to see no team. Two teams is like watching two old people have porn. Ain't nobody paying to watch that. You do realize we still have Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. Everybody.
Starting point is 00:18:38 Don't know. Tell me, where can you go watch two old people on porn? They got a lot of different porn. Ain't no old people. That's y'all. Y'all old people. Ain't nobody want to watch y'all have six.
Starting point is 00:18:53 I'm trying to think. Oh, I know on page back? Nope. On page back? Nope. Yeah. Ain't nobody watching that. Damn, man.
Starting point is 00:19:16 So, hey, so what team I cheer for now? I mean, I got. I mean, a, uh, a, bot, or somebody down in Mexico with a goat. You could even watch that. People pay to watch that instead of watching you guys. That's how bad y'all are.
Starting point is 00:19:37 Yeah, embarrassing. Yeah, you should be embarrassed. I am. We laid a donut. Yeah. And, no, I wonder, did they make that decision to flex our game out of it after today's loss? No, that was before.
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Starting point is 00:24:20 Bow nose. 23 or 34. 302. Four tubs. No sacks. Cortland Sutton, sample, a buck 13, a tub.
Starting point is 00:24:33 Troy Franklin, 6 for 85, a tub. Little Jordan Humphrey. Three for 42 and a tub. Michael Bandy, bounced around, been a lot of people's practice squad. One catch, 20 yards.
Starting point is 00:24:46 Tub. Hey, Unk, this game won by the defense today. This game wasn't won by the defense today. This game was won on the shoulders of Bo Nicholas Nix. Boy, he played some ball today, boy. Bo Nix plays some hell of a ball today. Now, most of the time, we don't see games like this from Bo Nix consistently. But if you can get games like this out of him, you know,
Starting point is 00:25:15 when the defense is playing as well as they're playing, well, they're playing. Well, there ain't nobody going to beat these boys, man. it ain't nobody gonna be these boys if you can get Bo Nix playing at a high level like this week in and week out
Starting point is 00:25:27 ain't nobody you see that pick and I can see that pick I just say that you see that P huh oh yeah I mean it's P2
Starting point is 00:25:37 what you expect that's what he do baited it that that's what he do they ain't you know they ain't nothing new you know
Starting point is 00:25:44 we expect that from him so when that happens now what we saw from from Bo Knicks tonight Now, we don't see this often. We don't see this often. So we get a bo-n-knit. How many touchdowns, both guys?
Starting point is 00:25:56 Bo got like 25 past the touchdowns. He's up there. A, quiet ones. Quiet, quiet, real quiet ones. Real quiet ones. Boe, both nights now. But today was different. How many interceptions?
Starting point is 00:26:10 23 and 9. They ain't bad. Yeah, no, that's not bad at all. Not bad at all. God damn. 3-302, man. Oh, it's dealing, boy. Look, the defense got after, uh, Joy Love.
Starting point is 00:26:24 Joy Love was started off hot, but that pressure, you know, VJ, the D-Corporated Vance, who's going to get some serious consideration for a new head as a head coach. He's going to bring pressure. Yeah, yeah. He's going to trust that back in to hold up and they're going to come. He'll bring Singleton, who's middlebacker. Obviously, you know, you got those guys, you got Cooper, you got Allen,
Starting point is 00:26:45 you got Bonito, you got guys that can get out for your quarterback. and, hey, he'll bring a fanga, occasionally Ellis, look, they can come from all over the place. They're good defensively. If they get that kind of production out of both, they're the least sacked team in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:27:06 And what for Xavier McKinney, we'd be about to have more points because he was all over the field today. But we're 12 and 2. 12 and 2. Yeah. Y'all, y'all good. But I can't, ain't anything I can't say.
Starting point is 00:27:19 I can't even talk, no trade. Oh, Joe, Michael Parsons suffered a non-contract injury and believed to have torn an ACL in his left knee. In his first season with the Packers, Parsons, has racked up 12 and a half sacks through 14 games. He's never had fewer than 12 sacks of the season. And it came in 2024 when he only played 13 games while struggling with a sprained ankle. Ocho, how much of a blow for the Packers this year for Michael's injury this season? I mean, it's a huge blow. It's a huge blow because you understand the impact that Michael Parsons bring to that team.
Starting point is 00:27:53 There are defense that were very good. But obviously, Michael Parsons elevates that defense and allowing them to do more in other areas because he's someone that you don't have to worry about. He's someone that offenses have to gain plan for. Obviously, he had 12 and a half sacks. He had those sacks for a reason. There's a reason why they paid him and he was able to command the money that he did once he was able to get out of Dallas because what he's able to do.
Starting point is 00:28:17 And that's why you get your money. Oh, yeah. That's why you get your money. Yeah. I mean, him being down is a huge blow. Oh, it is. It's a huge blow. Obviously, other players are going to have to step up for Sean.
Starting point is 00:28:31 Well, you know, Rashan Gary. We talked about him. He had seven and a half sacks in the first four weeks of the season. He still has seven and a half sacks. Yeah. Yeah. It's different. It's different, boy.
Starting point is 00:28:45 It's different. It's not as easy. It's about to get a lot more difficult because think about how many how many constant double and triple teams that Michael get. So he's working one-on-one a lot of times. Now, Lucas Van Ness, you need to step up, bro. You got to step up. Rishan, you got to step up.
Starting point is 00:29:08 It's... Hey, the funny thing is, they're out there trying to him. It ain't like they're not trying, but that's just how difficult it is to get sex. That's just how difficult it is. So to see what Michael Parsons is doing consistently year and year out, to see what got there, Miles Garris and T.J. Watt and some of the Brian Burns, he's up there as well.
Starting point is 00:29:29 When it comes to states, it's so difficult to do it consistently, year in and year out, especially when they know you're coming. When they know you're coming, when they know you've already arrived and you're still able to consistently do it week in and week out,
Starting point is 00:29:41 that's reserved for the special players. Special players. is the reason they command the money they do. They make a difference no matter where they are. Man, I feel bad for Watson, because I think he's special, but he just cannot stay healthy, Ocho. He cannot stay healthy.
Starting point is 00:30:04 He just got some of the bad look. Because it looked like he might have dislocated the shoulder or broke his collarbone because he went down and then passed a tan intercepted and landed on top of it. You know, he heard he had hamstring issues, memory tore his knee.
Starting point is 00:30:21 He looked like he has fully recovered from the knee. He can fly. He got great hands. He can run routes. He just, his only thing is he can't stay healthy. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, I think if I'm not mistaken, I think Christian Watson, I think he's the track guy too. And most of the time, track guys have, have issues with hamstring pools.
Starting point is 00:30:41 And obviously, he recovered from that. He came back, even playing extremely well. and boom, here we go again. Now another injury. I'm hoping it's just maybe, maybe something that he can come back. Maybe he's off, maybe two or three weeks, and he's able to push and get back if they're able to make the playoffs, which I think they should have a chance, if I'm not mistaken.
Starting point is 00:31:06 Oh, yeah, they got a chance, but they're going to have to, look, Chicago is ahead of them, and Detroit is right there on their ass. So they can't have. They can't afford slip-ups. Again, I just need to know what's going on with these two-point conversions. I'm trying to figure out why was Sean Payton go for two? Because if you kick the PAT and you kick score and you kick the PAT, now they need two scores instead of one score.
Starting point is 00:31:35 I don't, I'm trying to, look, coaches did just fine before analytics came into play. See, now analytics. doesn't take into consideration, momentum, whatever happened to old gut feeling. I think, I think, look, I'm not saying analytics
Starting point is 00:31:55 doesn't have their place, Ocho, but I think, I think coaches have become too reliant on, on analytics. And they don't, they don't coach anymore.
Starting point is 00:32:05 They look at a play sheet, well, they say if it's fourth and four, uh, or less, you should go for it. What about your gut? What about momentum?
Starting point is 00:32:14 or just understanding the game just understanding the game understanding having a feel for the game you know understanding momentum you know momentum is going to shift at some point sometimes you want to go for the kill maybe he wanted to go for the kill it wasn't okay Ocho because now
Starting point is 00:32:31 because here's the thing Ocho is that all you had to do is kick the PAT now instead of okay you're going to make because it doesn't make any sense okay the score you score you make it 27 if they have 23 if you kick the PAT
Starting point is 00:32:47 is 2823 if you score touchdown if you go for two so what is 29 23 if they score a touchdown to kick a PAT they still got the lead yeah
Starting point is 00:32:59 I can see if you okay if you want to say oh Joe I want to go make it a seven point game but there is no there is nothing you can do because there is not a 3.2 point play that's what I don't get
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Starting point is 00:37:56 Jalen Hurst was 12 or 15, 175, 3 touchdown. He was relieved. Tanna McKee came in, 3-0-3, 33 yards. Saquan, 22 carries, 78 yards, Tank Bigsby, 17 carries 15-7. yards. Jalen Hurks at seven for 39. 47 rush attempts, 183 yards. Dallas
Starting point is 00:38:15 Got it, seven catches, two touchdowns, 70 yards. Devante, two for 50, and A.J. Brownhead, two for 41, and a tub. Kenny Pickett. If I'm Raiders fans, I'm picking him. 15 to 25, 64 yards, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:38:34 Hey. Ocho, 25 attempts, 64 four yards. Ashton Jentee, nine carries, 35 yards. They had 13 rushes. Ocho, they had 38 plays. Ocho, you didn't hear what I said.
Starting point is 00:38:50 They had 38 total plays. That's crazy. It's crazy when you think about it, huh? I would see how long they had the ball. They couldn't have the ball more long than 15 minutes. Probably 13.
Starting point is 00:39:06 I bet I'm right. 13 is. Uh, the Eagles had the ball 39, 25. The, uh, uh, uh, uh, Raiders had it for 20, 35. They didn't get into the race. They got their, that goddamn defense wasn't playing, boy. He just won, defense wasn't playing. Obviously, you don't, you don't have a chance of hell.
Starting point is 00:39:28 The Raiders had, I don't even want to tell you. What? They had 75 total yards. The whole game? game. Ain't no way they practice. That's almost unfair. They came to class.
Starting point is 00:39:47 They had a teacher to come to class. They're teachers sometimes, hey, no work today. That's exactly what it was. Coach told them to just go home. Hey, the Raiders are bad this y'all. Boy, wouldn't have the Raiders
Starting point is 00:40:01 have been good. They made the play. They made the playoffs. in five years, they made the playoff that year. Derek Carr, they played Cincinnati, and Cincinnati beat them. And I think that was the year Cincinnati went to the playoff. That's been about four years ago, ain't it?
Starting point is 00:40:21 They're terrible. Also, they had seven. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven first downs. Hold on. Let me look at that real quick. they were three of 12 on third down the eagles was 10 of 13 on third down 13 yeah they average oh joe they average they average one yard per pass they are they playing against that eagle's defense even even if gino smith was playing today it wouldn't have been no different it wouldn't have been no different
Starting point is 00:41:01 like i mean the raiders are bad all the way around all the way around all the way around I saw Max Crosby got into it with the middle linebacker. Is it Devin White? Yeah. Yeah, Max Crosby and Devin White, they arguing on the sideline, you know, coming off. So, I mean, hey, they need a big overhaul. You think some other teams have some issues and having some issues. They're bad.
Starting point is 00:41:36 They're terrible. Also, Trevor Lawrence accounted for six touchdown, including a career-high five passing touchdowns as the Jags overwhelmed the jets from start to finish. 4820, extended their winning streak to five games. Lawrence completed 20 of 32, 330, and didn't have a turnover for the third consecutive game.
Starting point is 00:41:58 His passer rating was a career high 136.7. The best in this five-year career. Lawrence said after the game, definitely that is as confident as I felt just feeling in our locker room and our team and our office. It's been fun. But we've got to continue to build on that and not get complacent. There's still
Starting point is 00:42:16 a lot of head of us. They had Hey, Trevor Lawrence had a good day. You know, he had a good day. You know, 330, 5 TDs. But again, you know, you throw caution to, you know, caution to the wind because you are playing the Jets.
Starting point is 00:42:32 You're playing another team similar. If you play the Jets, you play the Raiders, if you have a great outing, there's a reason why you had such a great outing. There's a reason why you looked the way you did. I think if I'm not mistaken, the goddamn, the Jaguars are quiet 10 and 4. They are. I think, right? Yeah, they're quiet 10 and 4.
Starting point is 00:42:53 I think they're going to be all right. If they're going to continue to win or man make a run in the playoffs, Trevor Lawrence is going to have to keep playing like this. And I'm not talking about against the Jets against those opponents. that are equal or to better than you. So to me, this is not a good test for them. It's great for team, morale, and momentum going into next week. I'm not sure who they're playing.
Starting point is 00:43:16 But, I mean, listen, you're playing the Jets, but we need to see performances like today and what you did today against some of the better teams, where it's difficult. Well, I'm going to use them to get my confidence up. Hey, hey. Hey. It looks like teams are getting their confidence up on three teams,
Starting point is 00:43:34 four teams. If you play Arizona, and they're going to fight back, especially offensively. If you play the Jets, if you play the Raiders, and right now, my Bengals. Oh, oh, guess who the Jazz guy got next week? B-R-O-N-C-O-S, Broncos, Broncos, Broncos. You got a A, hey, see? Now, this is the game, that game against that defense. That's in Jackson.
Starting point is 00:44:03 Now, that's what you need to see. I think they come to up. Hey, that's what we need to see Trevor Lawrence. Look like Trevor Lawrence did today. Yeah, they come to us. Turn them loose. What? Five T-Ds.
Starting point is 00:44:21 Turn me loose. Godly. Yeah. Now, that's going to be a game to watch. C.J. Stride led to Texas to a six straight win, 40 to 20 over the Cardinals. The winning streak is the longest since the 9-game run in 2018. They've rebounded from
Starting point is 00:44:39 an 0-3 start, or the one game behind the Jags in the AFC South and currently in line for a wildcard spot. The Broncos are 12 and 2. The Patriots are 11 and 3. The Jags are 10 and 4. The Steelers are 7 and 6. The Chargers are 10 and 4.
Starting point is 00:44:56 Buffalo 10 and 4. Texans, 9 and 5, followed by the Colts, Ravens, and dolphins. Uh, look, because they can get after your quarterback, uh, that isn't saying Jacob percent, but twice, Ocho, so you got to give him credit. Trey McBride, 12 catches, a buck 34, two dozen. He might, hey, he might lead in, he might triple crown the tight ends.
Starting point is 00:45:22 Well, he already got catches of yards. He almost, is he over 1,000 yet? He got to be close. Yeah, you got to be. How many TDs are they have? C.J. Stride was 22 of 29, 260, three touchdowns, no interceptions. They ran the ball 33 times, Ocho, for a buck 43. Nico Collins, three for 85, two touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Dalton Shode had eight for 76 and a touchdown. Agumumwale had three for 32, Cade Stover, so forth and so on. But Jacoby Brissette was 20 of 40, 249, three touchdowns, only one interception. Tray McBride was 12 for 134 and two touchdowns And Michael Wilson again, Ocho Five for 54 and another touchdown He has a thousand Wow
Starting point is 00:46:16 Ocho you already got a thousand 71 and ten tubs Woof Wait, that might be a triple crown running for tight ends right there, huh? I mean, that I mean, what would be a very impression Well, he can get the triple crowd because anybody got that many touchdowns in the AFC?
Starting point is 00:46:34 Yeah. Hell no. What's you call him, got 14? But he's an NFC. Devante. I don't think no. Yeah, just the AFC. Yeah, could, yeah, could, yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:53 Yeah, just want that. But I don't think no, I don't think any receipts. receiver in the AFC has double-digit touchdown. No. Yeah, T is the closest with nine. Any receivers going over 1,000 yards? Oh, Chase. Chase probably over 1,000.
Starting point is 00:47:15 He is. Chase is fourth right now. I think he has a thousand. Oh, yeah, I forgot. He in the NFC. He ain't going to get no triple crown. Because what did you call him got 14? I thought he was in the AFC.
Starting point is 00:47:26 I don't know what I was thinking. Devante. Yeah, yeah, I don't know why I was thinking all of a sudden, Arizona in the AOC. Look, you got, I mean, they got some weapons. I mean, when they get Marvin Harrison Jr. Matt, McBride, Williams, you got, look, excuse me, Wilson, you got, you got some you got some skill position players. And Jacoby going to throw it now.
Starting point is 00:47:56 But obviously, they're going to, look, they're going to look to go get, to improve, upgrade that position. I don't know if it's going to be in the draft. I don't know anybody that's available. I don't think anybody that can be available can do any more than what Jacoby's doing. I don't see anybody that somebody's backup that's not under contract
Starting point is 00:48:13 that can come and do any better than what he's doing currently. But we'll see. I mean, maybe they go in the draft and get a quarterback on show. The charges beat the Chiefs and eliminated them from the playoffs, but that was not the worst news.
Starting point is 00:48:30 Patrick Mahomes suffered season-ended, torn ACL in his left knee in the closing minutes. Mahomes underwent an MRI after the game and it was confirmed. He and the Chiefs are now exploring surgical options according to the team. Patrick Mahomes tweeted,
Starting point is 00:48:46 don't know why this had to happen, and I'm not going to lie, it hurts. But all we can do now is trust God and attack every single day and over and over again. Thank you, Chief's Kingdom, for always supporting me for everyone who's reached out and sent prayers,
Starting point is 00:49:01 I'll be back stronger than ever. You know it's weird. If I'm not mistaken, after winning three Super Bowls, Tom Brady tore his knee in his ninth season. After winning three Super Bowls, Patrick Holmes also tears his knee in its ninth season. It's unfortunate,
Starting point is 00:49:21 but understanding players like this, as great as they are, he's going to be able to come back stronger. There changes, obviously, that need to be made within their organization as well. A lot of changes. A lot of changes. A lot of changes.
Starting point is 00:49:34 And I think they stuck with this roster far too long. I think they stuck with this roster far too long, Ocho. Far too long. Right. So I'm not sure. Obviously, when you look at it from top to bottom, I'm not sure where you start, especially for them. I think the offensive line and the trenches.
Starting point is 00:49:54 You got to start with an offensive line, Ocho. You need a running back. Yeah. You need a running back, Ocho. Ocho, 21 carries for 49 yards? Yeah. Isaiah Pacheco had 11 carries for 21 yards. Kareem Hunt had six carry for 12 yards.
Starting point is 00:50:09 Breschard Smith had two carriers for one yard. Mahomes had two for 15 with a long of 12. You got to start with you got a running back. You got to go get a running back. Far too long, look. And see, what happens is that when you have success doing with a hodgepodge and not having a... You say, no, no, you can do it.
Starting point is 00:50:26 can't you can't they're going to have they need to read they need D-line that could go get the quarterback though they did a pretty good job today yeah the coverage people their safeties they're not good I mean they give a touchdown with
Starting point is 00:50:41 they give a touchdown right before the half Ocho I'm like nothing cheap nothing D yep you can't you can't do that you can't do that my homes hadn't been seeing the field he's gotten
Starting point is 00:50:55 Rishie Rice blown up like three times in two weeks. You can't stare that slant down as much as you want to. He stared it down and Rashid, you better come flat. You take your ass up to feel if you want to and that's safe. Jefferson's, okay.
Starting point is 00:51:14 I guess I bet you don't have to tell him again, Ocho. What you want to bid? That's also on the quarterback on, because if you give it, if you give the goddamn safety a B-line by catching the ball or the ball being, the ball snapping in your hands, and the first thing you do is you look at him right
Starting point is 00:51:31 away. I mean, he's reading that. Safety not even backpilling. He ain't going nowhere. That's why it's a bang, bang, play. If you keep your eyes right there and force that safety, at least shuffle, maybe three steps, it gives that receiver time to catch and protect itself. But if you don't, if you get the ball and you look
Starting point is 00:51:47 right at him right away, well, hell, ain't no threat. I'm going straight. I'm going straight. And he led him on the shallow and he got him blasted last week on on like a shallow. He got him blasted again. I mean, he's not,
Starting point is 00:52:01 look, he, he, he's still Patrick Mahomes. He has an impressive resume. But based on the last couple of years, he's not the best quarterback. He has the most impressive resume.
Starting point is 00:52:15 Because I don't, I don't, I don't let your resume, like, oh, no matter what happens, no. I'm not so sure. That guy up in Buffalo,
Starting point is 00:52:25 isn't the best quarterback currently going. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think we can throw Drake May in that conversation, too. All I know is he was out of 21-0-0 to Drake May's team in Drake May's building. And he went five straight possessions with touchdowns. Touchdowns. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:41 I think even though with today's loss, that doesn't take away from the resume Drake. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. But I didn't think Drake May was the MVP. Matthew Stafford is the MVP. WB. Matthew, hey, yeah, that's 90B. Don't count out 17 up in Buffalo. He's playing his ass off.
Starting point is 00:53:00 No. Yeah, absolutely. And you know what else? I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if this is Buffalo's year. Well, look, I wouldn't be surprised. You got your krypton night out of the way. Somebody already did your favor.
Starting point is 00:53:15 Oh, look, three of them, almost out the way. You don't have to deal with Pat Mahomes. I'm not sure what the Ravens are going to do, you know. I mean, no disrespect to them. You might not have to deal with Lamar. And Joe and company, they out of dough. Look, I'm going to tell you this. If Buffalo don't get there this year based on what?
Starting point is 00:53:34 I'm Sean McDermott ain't coming back. It ain't going to get any easier. Yeah. This is their year. No, Burroughs, no Mahomes, and possibly no Lamar. Now, he's beating Lamar in the postseason. Yes. Damn.
Starting point is 00:54:01 It'll be the first time the Chiefs will miss the postseason since 2014. We talked about it, Ocho. We talked about changes that they need to make. They need a running back. They need to redo the offensive line. They got to get some receivers. Look, Juju is sure.
Starting point is 00:54:22 Yeah, Ocho, come on, man. I mean, Rishi might be a number one for that team. Right. But when we look at number ones, we look at number ones that they can go to a lot of different teams and be number ones. Chase's going anywhere and be number one. Pooka Nakua going anywhere, he'll be number one.
Starting point is 00:54:43 Jetta. I'm looking at guys like they need a guy, Ocho, not guys, and I get it. Because what happens, Ocho, if you have success, Think about it. They lost Cheetah. They go to three Super Bowes. They win two.
Starting point is 00:54:56 Well, we don't need a number one. We don't need a running back. We don't need a Jemir Gibbs. We don't need a cook. We don't need a Sequan. We don't need a Derek Henry. Ochoo, you can't, you, 49 yards.
Starting point is 00:55:08 You're not going to win, Ocho. With that offensive line, it puts so much pressure on your quarterback. Patrick Mahomes had to run all year long for his life. Yep. I mean, Ocho, think about this here, Ocho. You remember when the chief were in the absolute best, you could not go to arrowhead and if you didn't score 30 points when you were at the arrowhead,
Starting point is 00:55:32 you couldn't beat the chief. You're losing, yeah. They scored 10 last week on the road to get 13 this week at home. And it's been dropping precipitously. I mean, you got to understand. Other teams are getting better. Other teams are used to some of the things that you like to do. They understand and know your tendencies now.
Starting point is 00:55:52 They understand your weaknesses, especially up front, you know, being able to get my homes off the spot. Some of the trick plays, some of the fun stuff, some of the entertaining stuff, and the creativity that coach has been able to call for that team, they're not able to do it right now. You can't do it now, do it right now. Some of the fun they were having, the creativity, Andy Reid had, you know, with calling plays, you can't do it. one of my favorite plays ever I saw when they came out the huddle and they did the merry-go-round.
Starting point is 00:56:24 I'm like, what the hell? And it worked. Ocho, Chris Jones played a game, a complete game, and didn't register a stat. It makes $31 million. He's the highest-paid
Starting point is 00:56:39 defensive tackling football and he didn't register a stat. He lines up off-sides. They see him offside. They call time out. He come out to time out, and he lines up off sides again. The safety isn't very good.
Starting point is 00:57:04 Corners are just so-so. Even Trent McDuffie has taken a step back this year, Ocho. You watched him. I don't know if him not getting, him not getting that contract. extension, maybe that was playing on his head. But he ain't the same. Follow the Chief's elimination from the NFL playoffs
Starting point is 00:57:31 will not include Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Patrick Mahomes for the first time since 1998. Damn. Hey, them boy. Hey, greatness. Even greatest has a setback. Chris Jones had no clue today was an elimination game for the Chiefs until reporters told him post-game presser.
Starting point is 00:57:57 We still have a fighting chance. Oh, we're out of the playoffs? Yep. Y'all done. Tony Jefferson was ejected from the Chiefs game after Helmut the helmet hit on Tyquan Thornton. Many questioned the ejection on social media. Ocho, do you think it was the right call?
Starting point is 00:58:12 Hey, hey, that's, they, they've handicapped defenders so much. They've handicapped players on defense so much. I, we don't know what's the right corner, what's not. This is still the game of football at the end of the day. It's still the game. It's a barbaric sport. It's a dangerous sport, huh? It just is.
Starting point is 00:58:34 And there's, there's no way to protect players offensively when defenders only have, one thing to do. There's only you can't change the way you tackle. You can't change the speed of the game. I mean there's nothing you can do. So they're hit that, I mean, defenders, they hand the tie behind the back. What do you want them to do? It's like you almost, you have to,
Starting point is 00:58:57 you have to come up, play two-hand touch. Your job as a defender is to dislodge the ball from the player. Separate man from ball. That's a job. That's a job. It always has been. There's nothing. There's nothing.
Starting point is 00:59:12 There's nothing they can do. They've handicapped the game already so much for defenders where a lot of catches, a lot of touchdowns are happening because players are becoming gun-shy, not willing to take those hits. You're right. I don't want to get fine. They're taking bad angles. They're going low, hitting players in their knees, causing injuries.
Starting point is 00:59:38 You know, it's just, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say. Jefferson was booed heavily as he left the field and apparently made an obscene gesture towards the Chiefs fans after the game he apologized, Jefferson. I apologize for that. I'm class than that. I was just caught up in the moment.
Starting point is 00:59:56 I won't sit here and act like I'm a perfect man. I messed up when I did that. I have kids at home and there are kids out there watching the game too. So I apologize. They probably got it on television. I don't know. But if they did, I apologize to Chief fans, my kids and all the kids around. we just had a T.J. on the show.
Starting point is 01:00:15 And I, and bro, hey, hats off. We talk about this all the time, bro, when emotions, the high logic is low. You admitted you made a mistake. The NFL's probably going to find you, but you owned up to it. It didn't take you a whole lot of time, and you didn't lie and say I didn't do anything
Starting point is 01:00:31 or did you say, look, bro, my emotions got the best of me. I apologize to the Chief fans. I apologize to all the kids around the world that watch me because I'm class in the, that, and I hold myself to a higher standard than that. But my emotions got the best of me, and for that, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:00:51 Ocho, the Browns beat the Bears beat the Browns, excuse me, by the score of 31 to 3. The Browns held Cleveland to 192 yards and turned three interceptions against your door into 17 points. With three takeaways, Chicago extended their lead to 30. Remember, Ocho.
Starting point is 01:01:09 Yeah. D.A. Dennis Allen. He was in Denver. He was the D-Corporonator. He was at the Raiders. He was at the Saints. He's an unbelievable defense coordinator. And I think we had Jalen Johnson on earlier in the year, and he was talking about what he brought, that sweat. You know, they got guys that can take Kevin Bayar,
Starting point is 01:01:30 can take the ball away. They brought in CJ Gardner Johnson, who can take the ball away. And seemingly good things always followed the teams that he ends up landing on. but they got guys every every time quarterback and they did a great job
Starting point is 01:01:43 of pressure Shadour they sacked him five times they picked him off three times and but he's going to have to learn and I keep saying this he keeps bubbling yeah he's not going to
Starting point is 01:01:54 outrun defense not not defensively ends in this league Ocho but somehow he thinks he is you're not your father Shadur you don't have that kind of athleticism sometimes you could
Starting point is 01:02:07 step up and then go, but you're trying to bubble, it ain't going to happen. He made a couple of good throws on, Ocho. He hit 16. I forget his name, Ocho. Bon, Bon. He hit him.
Starting point is 01:02:22 He had it for again, but he put it up, put too much air, and the win got it and killed it. If he threw that one more on a line, that's a touchdown. That's a touchdown. But he has to understand, bro. That's why you get out there
Starting point is 01:02:34 and you try to get adjusted to the win. You can't throw, when it's that cold, that air is heavy. Yeah. If you're in the Midwest, that air is heavy. So, plus, it's probably a little windy. You put that ball up there like that high,
Starting point is 01:02:53 it ain't going where you think it is. Every time, every time, especially this is a good game for him, too. He didn't play, he didn't play well enough, or he didn't play well for them to be able to compete and contend against a Chicago Bears team and defense and offense that's been clicking on all cylinders, damn near all year long been clicking on all cylinders all damn year long but he did make some good throws but he didn't play well enough today obviously this is this a game that he can
Starting point is 01:03:17 continue to grow from and playing in those conditions i play to chicago i'm sure you played there too you can you're in the chat if you're from chicago you also know you got to go out there in warm ups you got to go out there in the warmups and adapt to the elements and understand what you can and what you can do there are certain throws you won't be able to make not in that environment not with that win and not with those elements. And, I mean, he just didn't play well. There's really nothing else really to say about it. They were intercepts today.
Starting point is 01:03:45 They made him uncomfortable. He doesn't have the foot speed to be able to escape the pocket like he wants to, especially when he tries to bubble and outrun some of the defense ends. If anything, you've got to play, you've got to play within your strengths. Drop back. If you're in the gun, stay within the framework of what you're able to, you know. Your pocket presence, he has great pocket presence. He has great pocket awareness.
Starting point is 01:04:04 And when you are able to be mobile, do it within that. the tackles, within the guards. Anything outside is just not happening unless they commit and crash down too fast. Outside of that, trying to bubble out and trying to outrun the D-E-Ns, it's not going to work because all of them, all of the goddamn D-Ns, and they damn their four-five.
Starting point is 01:04:22 Yeah. They damn-neigh-old. And even if they're 4-6, they still going to catch him at 4-8, 4-9? Right. Ocho, Judy got to happen. He hit Judy in the chance, Ocho. That can't be an interception. It can be an incompletion.
Starting point is 01:04:37 But it can't be an interceptor. In the end zone, the one Jalen Johnson kicked off. Oh, Joe, that can't be an interception. It's a touchdown or an incompletion. Yeah, you got to be able to get that out of there. Okay, he beat him in a chance. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:57 The one thing that we won't not do, Ocho and I, we're going to call it like I see it, how we see it. Shoulder didn't play well today. There's no way to. sugar coat that. Yeah, the elements. Yeah, Caleb Williams was out there in the same 10 degree weather.
Starting point is 01:05:14 The wind blowing, whatever it was, he was in it also. His players had to make plays. Luther Burton III, May plays. DJ Moore, made play. Coast of Loveland, made plays. Commet, made plays. Okay. I like Harold Fanon Jr. He had 14 targets, Ocho.
Starting point is 01:05:31 He made plays. Isaiah Bond made some plays, but Judy, you got to make plays for it. Shadour, you got to do a bell. You got to do a better job of, hey, just get rid of the ball. It's okay. I think the thing is, is that for so long, he's been able to make every play, Ocho, at most levels, he thinks that's the same thing.
Starting point is 01:05:51 It ain't happening. Tom Brady couldn't make every play. Peyton Manny couldn't make every play. You name a great quarterback, and he couldn't make every play. Shador is going to have to learn how to learn when to throw the ball away. And he hasn't learned that yet, and I don't know why.
Starting point is 01:06:06 I don't know what is it's four start Ocho fourth or fifth start So as this thing As this thing progresses Let's take all this information All this information that you're getting right now
Starting point is 01:06:21 Catalog it You're going to have a great portfolio to look at Going into this offseason Of things that you absolutely need to work on And when you come back next year These mistakes Ocho and I are not going to be as forgiving.
Starting point is 01:06:38 We understand that you are a rookie quarterback and only a sports start. But moving forward as next year, in the same position, we won't, no, you can't make those mistakes. That's unforgiving. And then the one thing, and the one thing about it is he's going to have to be able to recall
Starting point is 01:06:54 some of the things that happened this year. And when you're put in those situations again, the following year, you don't make those same mistakes. You don't make those same mistakes because you're able to recall, okay, I know this is happening. Oh, shoot. they run the same defense or I see that safety coming down I see that safety you plan on the hash and okay they're not coming I understand and so you
Starting point is 01:07:13 once you're able to recall the information and regurgitate it mentally in your head and visualize what's coming because damn I saw that last year so I know exactly what's coming and I think I think he can gonna be all right but obviously as a the one thing we got it look there's only one starting offensive linemen that started the season that was starting today so all this all this notion that that's the same offensive line. No, it's not the same offensive line that the other quarterback started with. It's not.
Starting point is 01:07:43 So let's take that in consideration. So now he's out there playing, he's playing with a backup offensive line. You see, look at the difference between Chicago. Chicago was the most sack team. They were 30th
Starting point is 01:07:58 in Russian. Now they're second in Russian. Their second is only the Broncos have allowed fewer sacks than what the bears. you see the difference people are talking about Caleb Williams I told you they should have
Starting point is 01:08:11 taken Jay Daniel and that all could pan out but you see what the Bears did the Bears went out and said you know what we've got a franchise quarterback we've got to protect him and Joe Tuny
Starting point is 01:08:22 they go get a left guard they go get a center they get a uh Jonah I think it's Jonah Jones I think they got him from the Rams they get a right tackle now they're able to run the ball They're second in rush yards per game.
Starting point is 01:08:37 Their second have allowed the second few of sacks. You see the difference in Caleb Williams now in last year. Look at this team last year compared to this year. They're challenging for the number one seed. They got 10 wins already with three games to play. Personnel matters. Offensive line. That's how you build.
Starting point is 01:09:05 build your team front to back, I don't give a damn who your quarterback is. Let him not get protected and see what happens. You see how ordinary Mahomes look when he's running for his life? You see, we saw that with Brady. I don't care who you are.
Starting point is 01:09:21 Your offensive line can't protect you. You ain't doing much of nothing. Yeah, absolutely. But, uh, man, Miles, man, I should, man, I should, boy, I show Hope Miles. Look like he tweaked that growing, don't you? He got to.
Starting point is 01:09:35 a sack and a half. He's at 21 and a half. He needs a sack and a half to break the record. He got three games. What's on Cleveland's schedule? They got the bill. Oh, Lord. Sit this without miles. Get healthy. Bills, Steelers, Bengals. Oh, he'll get that record.
Starting point is 01:09:56 He'll get that record against Yon. Nah, he'll get that record. No, he'll get that record. Josh Allen is not an easy quarterback to sack, damn it. First of all, getting to it might be easy. Getting its big ass on the ground. Because think about it, he's bigger than Big Bean. He's faster than Big Bean.
Starting point is 01:10:14 See, the issue wasn't getting to Big Ben. It was getting his ass on the ground. What you got to it? Yeah, he'd be as a big boy now. Miles Garrett, he's going to be a unanimous defensive player to year. Nobody else is really in the running for that, 21 and a half sacks. I just hope that groin is able to hold up and he's able to play. these next three weeks.
Starting point is 01:10:36 But look, Cleveland, man, you, you, you got to get, you got to get, you got to get an offensive line, you got to get,
Starting point is 01:10:42 you got to get your doors of weapons. That's all I got. That's what we got for you. Without weapons? Yeah. You got something up here? What?
Starting point is 01:10:53 They say, Jared Judy needs to delete his social media for a while. During the broadcast, also check this out. During the broadcast, Allison Williams reported that the Browns removed
Starting point is 01:11:04 Shador's wrist. wrist band and made some changes to the play call. Ocho, how you remove the wristband and add plays to a risk? Ocho, have you ever heard anything like this? Yeah, I've never heard anything like that, but I know when you do go into a game, obviously, you know, you understand and knows that have played the game
Starting point is 01:11:26 at any level. The first 15 plays are scripted. Now, outside, you have a number of plays that you practice all week. You practice all week that own that wristband. Obviously, you go to your wristband to be able to reflect on what they want to call based on what they call into your ear. Now, whatever they did, once they take that wristband off, I'm still sure it's plays that just might not have been on the wristband. How did they not on the wristband, Ocho? You know what they do?
Starting point is 01:11:51 They call it, they'll say 34. You scan down, 34. Okay, red, right, 17, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's what they do. That's why you see the guy. You see if you go, chat, when you look at them, you see they going down like this here. Oh, there's 30. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:04 Okay, right there. That's the play. How to hell you add plays to a, you had all week. What plays are you adding to a wristband that you took time out and you had your secretaries to type up and put on?
Starting point is 01:12:19 Now you take the wristband off and to add plays, I've never heard of this in my life. Listen, I, I don't, I've never heard of it either, but that is the only explanation I can think of is that there were plays that they wanted to run,
Starting point is 01:12:33 that they might have practiced during the week, they just wasn't on the current risk brand. That's the wrong current risk brand. That's the only thing I could think about. So why would you not put them on there? Yeah, I have no idea. But listen, your, yo, your thought is just as good as mine. That's the only thing I can think of.
Starting point is 01:12:48 Because you know what they're not going to do? You know what they're not going to do? They're not going to call no plays that they didn't run a practice during the week. They're not going to do that. So why would you add plays? So if you really to add those plays, clearly you've practiced them, why weren't they already on the wristband? Yeah, ain't no telling.
Starting point is 01:13:09 When I heard it, Ocho, Ocho, here's the Faski being asked about it after the game. Early on, was there something wrong with Sanders' wristband? Yeah, there was a miscommunication early. I think they mentioned that you guys had the wrong plays in the wristband on the first two drives? Is that accurate? No, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:29 There was something, I don't know if the wristband got something on it or whatever it was, but there was a, we got that fix pretty quickly. I mean, you know the funny thing about it is, is it's hard when reporters ask a coach, a question, especially like that, a coach is always going to be PC. He's always going to be politically correct and not give the true, honest answer on what the issue is behind whatever it was that happened with the risk. They're never going to tell us the truth. They're never going to. So now it leaves all of us guessing. it leaves all of us guessing because the wristband is made up
Starting point is 01:14:05 excuse me before that before maybe what maybe a Friday hunk or maybe a Saturday because you understand what plays you have what Boca plays you like what Boca plays we ran in practice that should do it well and that's what goes on the wristband right and but here's the thing Ocho they're not leaving till Saturday morning so Saturday morning is the last official wristband that you're going to get right so that's what you're going to have that's what your first 15 plays. The first 15, you already know what they are. You walk through those. You've talked
Starting point is 01:14:37 about them the night before. The quarterback coach has gone over those with your door. These are the play, the first 15 plays that we're going to call. This is a first down play. This is our second down play. This is our third down play. This is what, you know, X, Y, Z. This is our red zone play. This is our goal to go play. That's all on the wristband. There might be 150 plays on the wristband. And he'll tell you play 76. So you got to, 76, okay, 76, okay, okay. But I've never heard anything like this because they asked it with the wrong place of the wristband.
Starting point is 01:15:09 He said, yeah, no. So I don't know what to make of this. And I don't want to make it seem like we're trying to make excuses for him. But I've never heard this before, Ojo. I really haven't. I haven't. And it's really somewhat of a red flag for something like that happened in the middle of a game.
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