Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL Week 18 Part 2: Pete Carroll & Raheem Morris FIRED, Steelers SNEAK AWAY with AFC North Crown!

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

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Try them for free at wasabi.com. Oh, Cho, what a game, what a game. Tyler Luke misses a 44-yard field, go wide right, and a brutal miss for it from a rookie. Aaron Rogers and the Steelers win the AFC North, and they get to host a game next Monday night. As a matter of fact, they get to take on the Houston Texans, which should be a barn burner of a ball game,

to Houston, Texas, finish great down the stretch, and they finished today. They won today. They beat the Indianapolis Colts. But tonight, Lamar Jackson came back after last week, taking last week off. He was 11 of 18. He only threw 18 passes.

238 yards, three touchdowns, one interception. He was sacked three times. Derek Henry ran the ball extremely well tonight, 20 carries. Yeah. A buck 26. They just, Steelers just dominated time of possession, Ocho. Aaron Rogers. was 31 or 47,

294, one touchdown, no interception, clean game, they ran the ball 24 times for 100 yards. Ocho,

when somebody goes back to throw the ball that many times and they're not as mobile as there and is, and you only get him two times, that lets you know

you need, you need some rushers. Yeah. Steelers play, both teams play great. Raybans got up to a great start. 10-0-0-0-0. Watching this game,

tell me what you thought about this game. Tell me what you thought. you like, what you did like. Listen, this was a divisional game. This is the game that was very exciting because of the implications of it. Both teams having to win the game to go to the playoffs. Aaron Rogers played extremely well.

What we thought, what we thought Lamar Jackson wouldn't do with the fact that he was back there, he was ready to play. We thought they would abandon the run and put the ball in Lamar Jackson's hands. But Derek Henry ran the ball well. Derek Henry ran the ball well. And the plays that Lamar Jackson had to make, he made him. Zay Flowers. two big plays.

A woozy obviously slipped on one of them, but outside of that. A woozy wasn't in. That was number three. Yeah, that's, that's, the last one? That's a woozy. On the double move? I thought it was. Oh, man.

Ocho. Yeah. Yeah. Ocho, you played DB. Since when do they teach you to start with playing with both feet when you going backwards? Both feet. You either T-step, which is one, or you back straight up and drive on one. At no point in time, we'll absolutely.

I've never seen a DB coach say you play it with both feet. That's why he got in the feet game up. We're not from Monday. Go ahead, Ocho. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I obviously, listen, you can't blame the ground at that point, especially in the game. You've been playing all game, all damn there all game long, at that point.

So, hey, listen, this was a good game. This was a big game. Aaron Rogers played well. Lamar Jackson played well. The Ravens' offense played well. the one thing I will say is they were never able to make Aaron Rogers

uncomfortable. He was never uncomfortable. Even though he doesn't he doesn't have the legs he used to have there was no, there was no pass for us to get Aaron Rogers off his spot. Some of those stones Aaron Rogers made the fire move onk, my goodness. Oh, he gets, if you let him just sit down

and plant his feet, Ocho, most NFL quarterbacks, and you're talking about one of the great NFL quarterbacks, if you don't put pressure on him, He's going to pick you apart. Oh, yeah. There's nothing wrong with his arm. Maybe he can't throw in 60 yards like he wants good, but the pinpoint accuracy, yes. And there's occasion where he missed more throws.

You see him miss more throws that he normally would miss. But if you don't pressure him and get him off the spot like you said, okay. Yeah. Yeah, he's going to dice you up, man. And look. And he did tonight. Ocho, the Ravens only have 48 plays. They scored 24 points on 48 plays.

They had 12 first downs. Steelers had 24 first downs. The Steelers was 9 of 16 on third down. The Ravens was 4 of 12. The Ravens averaged almost 11 yards per play. The Steelers were six. Penalties. Ravens were nine for 78

the one turnover but that wasn't it I mean that missed kick that might cause John Marbaugh's job it might you think so it might you see and we're going to talk about later

you see Rahim got relieved of his duty and the general manager in Atlanta and think about how they finished. Atlanta was, I mean, Atlanta, somebody's going to get the coach a very good football team. In Atlanta. Bejohn Robinson, Kyle Pitts,

Drake London, Mooney, you look at that Pierce, they got, what, Jalen, Johnson, they got Pierce, Leonard Floyd, they got Bates. They've got somebody's going to get to coach a very good football team. Now, I don't think they have a first round pick, but they got a good

football team down there. But I'm looking at the Ravens on you. I'm trying to, I'm trying to put my hand on when they had them down 10-0 and you had an opportunity to get some more separation you didn't get it and I don't know why you didn't get it because like I said I thought you know 20 carries uh I mean you couldn't stay on the field on third down it's hard because if you look at the Steelers they were nine of 16 think about Ocho you don't normally have 16 opportunities for third down no 16 there's a lot and then you get and then you pick up nine of them because eight of them is 50%,

so you're probably around 55%. You let somebody pick up 55% of third downs. You're going to probably get your ass beat. You probably lose more than what you did, but amidst field goal, I mean, I wasn't surprised that he missed it. That's a rookie kicker, Ocho. Wait, I mean, rookie kicker in that situation, and you have one job.

You have one job. You have one job. I don't care about to say, I don't care about the situation. Preseason, regular season, implications to be able to go to the playoffs, you have one job. When you go to practice, Unk, they do one thing since training camp.

They kick the ball. That's it. Let me ask you question. How many times they practice they kick for a chance to go to the playoffs? You block the noise out. You block the noise out. It doesn't matter what you're going for.

How many times you think John Harbaugh told him this is a kick to go and take us to the playoffs? now we practice do we not practice two minutes do we practice no huddle yeah okay we down three we down seven how many times you think John Harbaugh told him this is the kick to get us into the playoffs how many times how many times you think he'd been under that kind of pressure probably never probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably never. Hey, that's a whole lot, boy, that's a whole lot riding on the leg.

That's a, hey, listen to me, that's a different kind of pressure. Now, the guy, the guy that they, that he replaced in his rookie season, all he did is go kick the Ravens to the AFC championship game. And you see, you see the importance of having a kicker that's the system, regardless. He's arguably one of the two or three greatest kickers to ever, especially clutch big game. How many big games have we seen him make? a 66 yarder in Detroit to win the game, playoff games, all these, all these implications.

We've seen him time and time again. Now, last year he struggled. I obviously had some things going on, but, you know, we saw him struggle. This situation here, and I'm looking at the game, I'm like, damn, Ravens, man, look, y'all got the momentum, man, y'all need to get some separation. And I kept like, man, get a little separation.

Get a little separation. They never could get the separation they need. And the next thing you know is 10-3, and then it's 1010 and then it's I was like damn I said boy you're playing with fire because we talk about it all the time mojo when you have momentum yeah you better get some separation because they're going to get it as much as you can yeah they listen the pendulum always shifts in a football game you know the pendulum always shifts in any sport no matter what you play at some point but like you say you want to get as much of a lead as you can while you had the momentum but it's difficult huh

That's why it looked the way it looked tonight. It's difficult. And it comes down to what it did tonight where the game is decided on the kicker's leg. And most of the time, you hope you have a clutch kicker, a good kicker who doesn't allow certain situations

to bother them where he can still complete the task under those kind of conditions. That's why Adam Bennett Terry is going to the Hall of Fame. You talk about clutch. How about making a game-winning field goal in the snow? How about making a kick in the Super Bowl

Ocho twice with no time on the clock. Can you get more clutch than that? Can you get more pressure than that? That's why Adam Venetary is going to be in the pro football Hall of Fame. Yeah, he played a number of years and longevity, but that's not why.

You won't find two, you won't find two better kickers under the gun, under immense pressure than Adam Venetary. Minetary, yeah. Everybody remember that divisional game of the playoffs against the Raiders into snow a driving 45, almost 50-yard kick. He nails it in overtime to win the Super Bowl.

Super Bowl. And then guess what, Ocho? Two years later, come back against the Carolina Panthers and did it again. Again. He was clutch now. No doubt about it. Chad, y'all may all help me.

Where did the Ravens look? I understand, yet the defense is bad. And I know John Harbaugh, it's tough, Ocho, when you have a friend and you don't really want to fire somebody, but he probably didn't think he had anybody on the staff that could fill in and do any better than what Zach Orr was doing.

That's why he left him in that role. With that being said, this defense isn't good. It's not. Let's be real. Chat, y'all know it. It's not good. They got no pass rushers.

The guys in coverage aren't good. Roquan is okay, but Roquan is not Roquan from three, four years ago. He's not. Hold on. I got a question. I know you say the defense is bad, right? Yes. But when you look at the third level on the Ravens, are they really that bad?

Are they really that bad if they got to cover people for 30 seconds? I mean, if you got to cover somebody for 30 seconds, hell, everybody else would look bad too. if you weren't getting any pressure on the goddamn quarterback. Well, well, now I called a question. If you know you can't get pressure,

why would you put, why would you put your corners in a one-on-one situation with like a bomb blitz did? If you can't stop the run, you ain't got no choice. It wasn't like they were running the football, Ocho.

It's the thing is, is that you realize, like, okay, if I got a Rob Peter to pay Paul, I don't need to be, I don't need to be going out there getting luxury items. I need to pay the day to day. I need to pay the mortgage.

I need to pay the light bill. I need to pay the gas bill, the phone bill. I need to play necessities. So with that being said, I know I can't get home. Do I really want to sacrifice a back end? That's not very good to begin with. Am I really trying to put them on an island? Because if I don't get there in,

that's why you need a guy that can win one-on-one, Ocho. You need a guy that can win instantly. You see how Miles Gere? You see that? Joe Burrow late. No, he didn't. Look at the get-off that Miles Gary got. If he'd have been running track, he'd fall started.

Because you can't go under point one. He went point zero to three. Let that sink in. So when Joe was saying, he was gone. He didn't get the tough. Yeah. The Ravens, Ocho, they need, look. They need defensive.

lineman, but I'm not so sure they can, they can use a couple of corners too, Ocho. They do. Nah, I don't, listen, honestly, I like, I like Wiggins. They, they just drafted him. He's, he's played decent. Of course, he's gotten beat.

Well, I think we all get beat. Part of playing the position is, yeah, I agree. Yeah, you are going to get beat, but most of the time you want someone that can be clutch in certain moments and that can win the majority of one-on-one battles. And if you're elite,

follow the number one receiver on other teams. I mean, that's what I said. That's reserved for Sartan. That's reserved for Stingley. That's reserved for, who else we got, Ocho, Gonzalez. That's reserved for those guys. A.J. Terrell is reserved for guys like that. Mitchell and Philly.

Keanu. Yes, that's reserved for those guys. He don't need to follow him. anybody. He probably need to be on the third or the second or the third receiver while you're bulljiving. That's not nice on it. I understand what you're saying, but young, young bull, young boy has potential. Young bull has potential. Outside of that,

they need a premier, a premier rush. They do. They're very bad. They need a premier Russia. I don't care if you play on the left or you play on the right. We got to get you in the building. Yeah. I agree. I agree. They need a Russia. Preferably two. but if you can get a true number one rusher and a solid number two rusher that can that can win um

I mean they had jadevian clown it I mean look he's a guy if you let him get 20 snaps a game he can generate pressure if you let him get 20 snaps a game now he's not an every down player anymore but he still can generate he can still generate pressure if you minimize his snaps Basically, they're going to probably need to get some linemen. You're going to probably need to get a guard, two guards. They are. They are. I mean, I wish it was something I could, I mean, I wish I could dress it up for you,

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So listen to good luck with that on iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Listen, Lamar was efficient when you had the ball, even if they didn't have it a lot. He was efficient with the ball. And we talked about, you know, thinking, you know what we should do? Hell, I'd never forget what you said, huh? You thought they'd best option with the start Tyler Huntley if Lamar wasn't healthy. Man, the hell you say, shit. Absolutely not.

I still wish Lamar could. Lamar did everything he could to make sure he won this game tonight. He did his part. He did. I wish Lamar could have put more pressure on him with his legs, Ocho. He can't. He couldn't. You know, let me tell you something.

You know how I know he's not the same? on that third down where he couldn't get out the way. Yeah. You saw that guy catching? On the third down. Well, you saw it when they ran the quarterback draw. He was wrong. I said, Will Lamar Jackson looked like he got a piano on his back.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's tipping. Matter of fact, you know, he's tipping. He's not even extending himself. His gate is closed. He's not even opening up. He's moving, but he ain't moving, if that makes sense. Yes.

He is. To the Steelers side, Aaron Rogers, It's 31 and 47, 294. They ran them all 24 times, basically a little over four yards of carry. Gainwell had a big catch. Calvin Austin, with the slug-o. Phelan, had a big catch.

Valde Scandler had some big catches. Look, Frymouth had a big catch to sit them up, get them down to like the five-yard line. They played well. You know, you know the Steelers was going to play well. Cam Haywood, I thought Cam Hayward had a well-level ballgame. I thought the D. Lyman played really, really well. I thought there were some lanes that had the backside been able to get cut off,

that Derek Henry could have hit those and maybe popped it. Instead of getting two, three yards, he probably could have got 10, 12 yards. But I credit the Steelers. They did a great job of disengaging and getting to the ball carrier. Give those guys credit for that. I thought the Steelers, D-Line played extremely. well. Yeah, and you're like,

well, how do you say they play well? They gave up 120, 126 to Derek Henry. But that could have easily been against Green Bay,

that 120 was 180. That was a different. Cam, Hayward played extremely, extremely well. I love the way I look. He might not run fast, but from point A to point B,

which is from end to he gets there. I was very impressed. I mean, Harry is in the year, what's the year, year 14? This year 14,

he was in that 90, he was in that 2012 draft, Ocho, with Cam and Vaughn Miller and all those guys, Justin Houston, Richard Sherman, all those guys,

that, the greatest draft, that's the greatest draft. That is the greatest. The greatest? If you look at the players in that draft, you did a,

you know, Julio was in that draft. right. AJ Green was in that draft, right? Pat Peterson was in that draft, right? Yeah, I got you. Cam Haywood, Cam Jordan, all of them was in that draft, folks, yo. Hey, the grading draft is 2001 on.

What? The greatest draft is in 2001. I just want to throw that out there, just a case. Y'all ain't even close. Y'all might not be better than 90. With me, Emmett, say I'll rest just so Ted's rest his soul y'all might not be better than us

Listen can you hear me When Chad Javon Johnson was drafted into the NFL That was the greatest draft Oh Joe you only one person Who else was in your draft class Michael Vick Okay who else

I can't remember the rest of the people Cam Von Miller Pat Peterson A.J. Green Julio Jones Tyron Smith Cam Jordan

Cam Hayward Richard Sherman Justin Justin pull up that night put out of 2011 draft it ain't even close

ain't nobody close to that draft when you go back and look at the players in that draft in that first round just the first round I think Sherman was what

second third fourth when you look at that draft on show that is the greatest Hey what Sherman you're talking Richie Sherman?

Sherman was fifth round. Yes. What, what? He was fifth round? Oh, JJ Watt was in that draft. Okay. Hey, hey, they're some nice boys now. Hey, everybody who named is nice, but Ocho was drafted in 2001.

I was drafted in 2001. The greatest entertainer of all time was drafted in 2001. That's me. Yeah. That's me. That's me. You got to have Twitter 7 mothers. I know, I know, but it's one player

that is more entertaining and fun than everybody you just name. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Give the Steelers credit. They get an extra day. This is not an accident. That they put the team that played the last game on Monday night to give them a rest. They didn't want to cheat them.

Don't make them play on Saturday. Don't make, hey, let them play Monday night. So this year, Ocho, we got a Monday night playoff game, something we've never had before. Hey, matter of fact, since we never had it before, why do we make a, why don't we make a, uh, a presence? Let's make our presence feel. You want to go to the game? Cause.

Hey, how come every time I, every time I, now I got to be in Baltimore, then we got to, you know, we got to be in New York. Hey, how come, and y'all don't be telling me nothing, man. Y'all don't be telling me nothing. I don't be, I don't be knowing what's going on. Well, I think you find out sooner later. But how you know, how do you know before me? How I know what?

We going to New York. You knew that. We all the red carpet with Madame of Ben Affleck, Tiana Taylor. What we doing, what we're doing with them? What are you doing the red carpet, Ocho? Oh, we, we're from to walk the red carpet? We're working. No, we're not.

Yeah, we're going to walk the red carpet. Hey, oh, hold on. You're a live screaming from the red carpet, Ocho. Hold on. I get to wear a suit. You can wear whatever you want. want to wear. Hey,

hey, one thing you know about it when it's time to put on some thread and it's time to look good boy, you know who comes to the party

uncle. Let me tell you, hey, I'm a piece of European you need to communicate with Ocho. Hey, I'm going to be shy

bro. What are we going to? Hey, we're going to the what? The Golden Globes? We got Netflix premiere,

The Rip with Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Tiana Taylor, all those. Okay. Okay. Hey, I know, you know, me and Ben Affleck go way back.

Well, good. I'm sure you have some very interesting questions to ask him, dear. Hey, yeah, I got some good ones, but hey, I'm, hey, I'm going to be so clean, boy. I'm going to be clean as the board of health. You hear me? Oh, Joe, for the first time since 2021 and for the first time since leaving the Packers after 2022 season, Aaron Rogers is back in the playoff. Aaron Rogers in the postgame interview, it's been a grinding year.

And the two years before that was tough as well. But he's back. He's back. He's back in the post season. It's been a while since he's been in the post season. This is what, look, it's a tough year on him. He's playing with, I think, a broken bone and his non-throwing hand. It's been tough.

Yeah, yeah. It's really tough when you've been as great as he is, and all of a sudden some of the things that you took for granted that you could do with your eyes. You can't do it anymore. You can't do it no more, Ocho. You can't do it more. But he played well tonight.

When they needed a big throw, he came up with it. They needed a big run. You know, he scrambled for 20 yards. I thought Jalen Warren ran tough. The guys made plays. Now, next week, they get D.K. back. Hey, hey, and that's a good thing because, look what Aaron was able to do without him tonight. Listen, it was done by committee tonight.

Everybody was a part of the offense. Frye moves, bawling. Calvin Austin, getting throws. Getting throws, normally he wouldn't get before because now we ain't got no choice. We got the county because we don't have D.K. McCaff. They got my dog. They got my daughter. Adam Thielen involved in the game.

I wish they would use him a little bit more. Obviously, he's a veteran presence. He's good. He's a right runner. I don't care how long he's been playing. I don't care how old he is. If you bought him in, goddamn use him. Outside of that, I mean, it's going to get interesting come Monday night in that playoff game.

Yes. And anytime you have Aaron Roger. someone who's used to being in the playoffs. Oh, Joe. Used to being in the playoffs. But you know one thing the one thing the Texans can do, they can heat your ass up with more. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, what you were, A. You ain't got to tell me twice? You ain't got to tell me twice. Listen, Will Anderson, Denial Hunter. They got Seattle Jr., they got Mario Edwards. They got Rankin's. Hey, they got Shazir, they got Tutsola. The DBs that they got, they can come.

Uh-huh. They can come. Now, the problem that concerns me is that the Houston, Texas, don't have a run game. It's hard, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard, Ocho to win when you don't have no resemblance of a run. And you know the Steelers. The Steelers like to make you one-dimensional

and just try to go hunt your quarterback. Right. And you know what, when I think about it too, Unk? Nico didn't play the game. Stingley, some of them boys, a lot of them rest of the day, Unk. even without a run they've been they've been able to still run their offense yeah they don't they don't need a they don't need a sayquan type of back they don't need a divan a tan a back that's going to go

for 150 180 you know but still just someone that can keep it going keep it going and keep our offense balance keep our offense balance we don't need you breaking a run for 80 50 yards that that's never been the texans that's that's really never been the texie if you think about it Obviously, the last time I can think of an efficient running back doing the extreme Dweiler in the run game was when Joe Mixing was healthy. Correct. I mean, before that, it's been,

before Joe Mixing, it was Aryan Foster. I think they had Pierce. Why would that? They had a guy named Pierce that ran really well. I don't know what happened to him. I don't know where he is now. Chat, baby, y'all can help us out. But they got their work cut out for him.

The Steelers got their work cut out for him. I think both teams. have their work cut out for them. The one thing that we do know is that they can get after your quarterback. They can get out of your quarterback, Joe. Yeah, they can. I don't really think, I don't, listen, I don't have no horse in this race. I don't have a horse in this race.

But if I'm betting on a team to win this game, even as great as that goddamn Texan defense is, I'm not betting against two players, a coach and a player that have been in the postseason multiple times. that are used to that I'm not I'm not bad I'm just me and you know I'm not a bed man so I'm just saying based on who's been there the most in those type of situations where they're not they're not rattled there is no pressure they've been there so much they just go out there as a quarterback I'm just go play ball well I'm just play ball okay they got a great pass rush how do we counter that how do we counter them having a great pass rush hell motherfucking misdirection quick throws the quick game what Cincinnati do to try to get the the key to miles off. Bingo. And they did it the entire game.

They did it all four quarters. Congratulations to the Pittsburgh Steelers. They win the AFC North and get a matchup with the number five seed to Houston, Texas on Monday night. They beat the Baltimore Ravens by the score of 26 to 24. The Ravens rookie missed a

Tyler loop, misses a how far, a 44-yard field goal. And the Ravens go home. What's starting? Look, all the games that they lost early, Ocho, they probably kicked themselves. They lost to the Buffalo, had a game in hand, they lose to Buffalo. They lost some games that they probably should have won.

They probably shouldn't even been in this situation. But you are what your record says you are. All this way, they should have been this or they should have been that. What does their record say? Their records say they're under 500 teams. That's what they are, an under 500 team. So, Stevens, congratulations. You win the AFC North, 2624, over the Baltimore Ravens.

D.K. gives a chance with 14 seconds at a timeout. John Harbour, I went to the rookie kick. Ocho. You got a timeout in hand. You don't want to try to get no more yards? Nah, I don't think so. Not in that situation. You know why they did?

Why? But one, he didn't because he trusts his kicker. A rookie in that situation? Yeah. Yeah, he's not even looking at it like that. You can't look at it like that. Okay, if he, nah, yeah, I trust my kicker. I want to end this now.

I want to end this now and win this game. I'm putting our season on my rookie kicker's leg. He's a rookie. There's a reason we got him. and we didn't trust we wouldn't have them wow only only two things can happen either you go make it

or you're going to miss yeah but here's the thing though Joe it's unfortunate that he missed they ain't got no time with the clock so it's over I'll season over and it might have caused me my job hey hey listen I'm with you when you're right

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The Panthers squeeze into the playoffs. Wait, the who? The who? The Carolina Panthers squeezing to the playoffs, thanks to the help from the Atlanta Falcons, who beat the New Orleans Saints by the score of 19 to 17. A Falcons win was enough to send the Panthers to the postseason and send Tampa Bay home. Carolina Panthers haven't made an NFL playoff since 2017, and they haven't hosted a playoff game in nearly a decade.

This also marks the owner's David Tepard's first trip to the postseason since he purchased the team in July of 2018. Hours after the game, Ocho, Falcons fired head coach Rahim Morris and GM Terry Fontno after two straight disappointing seasons. The Atlanta Falcons wrapped up an eight and nine campaign. Fottano has been the Falcons general manager since 2021. Morris was hired in 2024. I thought Terry Faw I thought Martin did a good job.

You look at who he drafted. Yeah. Kyle Pitts, B. John Robinson, Michael Pinnis Jr., Pierce, Johnson. They got some talent, though, Joe. They got some talent.

Listen, they got some talent. It's unfortunate that they won't be there to see that talent continue to flourish over there in Atlanta. Obviously, Arthur Blank, very short of patience, only allowing Rahim three years Fontenot allowing him three years

and he sees fit they're going in another directions for his team Listen Fonno's been there for five Rahim since 2021 Rahim been there for three Since 2024 He's been to two years

Damn they They let him go already I wouldn't be surprised We're gonna talk about this match up a little later I would not be surprised If they let Aaron Geng glow go Oh, Cho, remember? After one?

Did they let Gerard Mayo go after one? Did they let Steve Wilkes go after one? When you feel you got tavern. Hey, hold on. Hey, it's show as a short leash, uh-huh. If show was short, you know what? You know what? I'm not, you know what?

Jalen Walker, that's the first-round pick. He was the first-round pick. Jalen Walker, okay. Yeah, and Pierce, Jr. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, um, you see how, you see how God continue to open doors and you're acting like you're blind to it, huh?

What do you have open doors for? As a matter of fact, I'm about to sell my house in Atlanta. I ain't trying to go crazy. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, I'm close with Arthur Blank. Now, I could put your name in the hat if you want to get your coach. I got this number. I can call it myself.

Okay. Well, you might want to shoot a text. If I do, I want to say, ask him how he's doing. Make sure, you know, you do it okay. That's it. No, you don't. No, you don't. Oh, Chuck.

Kirk Couss, 18 or 32, one touchdown, one of deception. Bejohn Robinson, 15 for 33. They had 25 carriers, 49 yards. Tyler Shook was 23 or 35. 259, one touchdown, one of deception. They ran the ball 26 time for 108 yards. Jawan Johnson, 3 for 61. Dante Peders, 5 for 6.

Aedric Aestim, five for 43. Yeah. That interception, that killed, that killed the Saints. That intercession killed the Saints. The timing of when it actually happened, it killed all momentum and their chances to actually win this game once the Falcon got the ball back in that situation. I mean, the Saints didn't play bad, huh? They was able to hold Bejan only 33 yards.

Drake London only had 78. Outside of that, it was a good game. It was a very good divisional game where the team that made the few of the mistakes was going to win the game and that's exactly what happened. I think Jay Glazier is reporting that Matt Ryan is in line to be a,

you know, a senior something at the Falcon. Didn't he report that? What? For real? Hey, that's nice. Can you imagine? Let's say, let's say, I profile for an office role.

Well, the only role that's high profile is general manager. The GM. Right. He ain't about to be the owner. I know he's not going to be the BP. So those are the only two high profile roles. You get to be BP or you get to be the GM. So there's a good chance.

Matt Ryan going to be the new gym. There's a good chance. And being able to oversee and building that team into what it is they may need, you know, for the, that's dope. That's dope. does that happen often or more players should be afforded the opportunity to be in those positions well you see look uh Tom Brady has a role in the Raiders uh yeah who is that Troy is getting advice has the ear of the of your team with the dolphins right so it's

it's starting to happen more hmm well maybe may I wonder if the opportunity would present itself for me to have some type of front office role in Cincinnati. That's a family run business. That ain't happening. You know that. And I'm a part of the family.

I'm not sure if you knew. First of all, you know the Cincinnati biggest more than anybody. Yeah. So you know is Mike Brown, his daughter, his son-in-law, and that. 80, you know, Troy.

Yeah. And listen, hold on. you're not and right up other than me yeah right right up under the other than but if if i need anything you know how you can call the cronkos huh if you need anything but if i need anything and i'm not i'm not even talking about football related i'm talking about if i was down to my last you hear me hey chat listen to me real quick if i was down to my last song dan morgan dan morgan's in the role in the carolina in the carolina that's right right don't keeckley in keeckley is keeckley doing anything for the, uh, I don't think Kiekela's doing

anything for the, yeah. Monk, you're not hearing what I'm saying, though, uh, monk, if I were down to my last, boy, and I'm about to be homeless. And I need to, I, I, I, I need a little help. Okay.

I can make, I can make that call, but everybody can't do that, what? Yeah, I'm talking about, hey, I need, hey, I need some cash. I am, hey, listen to me, I am of no value to you anymore, but you know what? I'm in a bad position. Can you load me something? Yeah.

Well, look, now, if the bowling was in a situation, I had that kind of relationship with the bowling. I don't know. Right. I have a great, the time that I've spoken to Rob and the Pinners, they've been great to me. So I don't want people to come out. Well, Shannon can't go back to the Broncos.

They open up the facilities and let me sit down and interview John just last week, two weeks ago. Yeah. So the Ravens, excuse me, the Broncos have been great. to Shannon Sharp, but I don't have, I didn't play for them. It's a different type of relationship. I played for Mr. B. I had a personal relationship with Mr. B.

They're doing, I think they're going to release a documentary. And his daughters reached out and asked me what I talked because of the relationship that I had with Mr. B. Yes. It was next to John. It's hard to say that his favorite player wasn't, what, 84, Sharpie. So, but no. The Ravens have been, the Ravens, because we just talked, just talked about them.

The Broncos have been great. Most of the time I just call, I call Chip. Chip, I need something. I'm getting some more of these cups. I need some more of these cuts. If I need hat, if I need gear, I need paraphernalia, something like that. You know, something like that. I'll just call, I'll reach out to Chip or I reach out to a flip.

A, flip, I need a helmet. Flip, I need some, I need some T's just, hey, what you need, Sharpie? So, but no, the Broncos have been great to Shannon Sharp. The Broncos have been great. The Broncos helped put Shannon Sharp kids through college, through private school. Hey, take care of his family. The Broncos and the Broncos first and the Ravens. The Broncos started it.

The Ravens made late, it's like, okay, if I want to work after my career, I can. But if I don't, I can shut it down. Cleveland Browns. They have fired Kevin Stefansky after six years. He's a two-time coach of the year. He won Cleveland's first playoff game in more than 25 years. Despite those accolades, Stefansky exit with a 45 and 56 record and went 826 in his last two season. The majority of Stefansky's success came with Baker Mayfield, but the Browns have since traded him away.

This is the list of passes in no particular order that has come along since Baker. Deshaun Watson, Jacoby Brissette, Joe Flacco, James Winston, Chodor Sanders, Dylan Gabriel, Dorian Thompson, P.J. Walker, Jeff, Jeff Driscoll, and Bailey Zappie. That's a lot of quarterbacks. Now, it was reported today, and I don't know, Pete Priscoe, who writes for CBSSports.com, he's reported that Stefansky never wanted Deshawn Watson. Ocho, I don't know if you saw it, but I was talking to John,

and I asked him one of the reasons why I asked him, you know, one of his biggest regret, is that he didn't take Josh Allen. And I said, well, why didn't you take him? He said, Sharpe, I just couldn't get the coaches to buy in. He was really, really raw, and it was going to take some time for him to develop. You know, he didn't throw, he turned the ball over, and he didn't throw with a high completion. But I just couldn't get the coaches to buy in. And when you're talking about, you know, taking somebody with the fifth pick of the draft

and you're taking a big-time fridge, like a quarterback position, like a Deshawn Watson, oh, Joe, you need everybody balled in. Can't nobody. There can't be any lukewarm feeling with, yeah, I'll cope. No, we got to be all bought in. Now, that's what Pete Priscoe said. We don't know that to be true. But what it did, because it hadn't worked out so far, Ocho,

it kind of doomed the franchise. Because think about what you gave up, three first rounders, you gave up a second round. I think you gave a third round of action. Find me all what they all gave up. And when it doesn't work out, Ocho, yes. Well, Unk, well, listen to you. And Joe and, I mean, this didn't doom the franchise.

The franchise has been doomed before that situation didn't even happen. They've been through 37,000 quarterbacks. They haven't been able to find the one. Now, obviously, if Josh Allen, if they've gotten Josh Allen, despite what they might have seen on tape, listen, when you draft, regards to what round, regards to what pick, it's still hit or miss, no matter what. You can get somebody in the first round that played great in college, and it might not translate over into the NFL. It just happens like that. Sometime, this year's draft, we're talking about some of the players that are coming into the draft,

they're going to very bad teams, and when they go to the bad teams, some of these players that are going to go early, aren't transcending talents they're not generational talents but they have a superior supporting cast around them in college and therefore they're going to go high to a very bad team and you're going to wonder why they struggle

they struggle because of them having I mean them not having the tools and the supporting cast around them when they get to these NFL teams and it's a different ball game if you're not a transcending talent which I really haven't seen

I'm talking about a generational talent that would show up right now college there is not that that's there's not that coming into the draft right it's not i'm just being honest and i'm not sure people in the chat i'm not sure what you're watching even the even those college players that have played well those college quarterbacks ain't no lamar jacks ain't no josh allen's ain't no joe burroughs ain't no patrick mahomes now that there's a chance they could pan out to be that but teams don't have the patience for that's right or the coached Because if you go back and think about Ocho,

Josh Allen is rookie year with a turnover machine. It wasn't until he got Brian Dayball that he turned into the Josh Allen that we see now and the guy that's taken over has even taken him to a higher height and it got him to an MVP. So that's the thing. They're going to be some rough spots. And the question is, are we built to withstand those rough spots until he gets this thing figured out?

And Joe, this is another thing. Joe and Unk, if you're not built, which you aren't going to be, the Raiders aren't built. No. And whoever they pick, they're going to get a quarterback, Joe. We got to. They're going to get a quarterback, Unk. Do you trust Mark Davis and all the people that are in that building that are in positions of power to build a team around him to make sure he can be competent, a good quarterback for the future? Because if you don't, what's going to happen, that shit can be demoralizing, Joe.

So you, Joe, you go into the wrong situation like that. And you ain't got no helper, and you ain't got no help around you? I can imagine. I can imagine. You come from a winning program where you've won everything. And then you come to the NFL and this is a different ball game. Joe, this is the best of the best. And it's levels to everything.

It's the best of the best. And you're going early, but the team you're on is just not good. The players you're playing with even though they're part of the 1%, they're just not good. What'd you think of, Joe? Man, we, we talk, what team you're talking about right now? Okay, Ocho. He's your talk about, our quarterback,

top top quarterbacks go into a bad situation because that's the way we're talking about, the best players, yeah, I know we're going to the worst teams and help them all of a sudden. They're not the worst teams anymore. Yeah, I know, I know you had said some about, you know, these coaches getting fired.

Sir Fasker, you know, even when I look, yeah, yeah, even when I look at the Cleveland situation, man, a pretty good quarterback okay ohcho why not just like beef up your offensive line get get some more weapons whoever you're going to have back that throwing the ball at the end of the day man you got to protect the quarterback and you got to get you got to give him some more weapons from what i've been yeah they definitely do wide receiver you got queen uh uh uh jenkins we'll see how soon he can come back that's a i like will he come well i mean is he going to miss time ocho you know

he had a serious injury um will he miss time will he be back for ota's will he be ready ready for training camp how soon and will he be back I think the thing is Ocho is that but see when you get a 26 year old that's proven it's supposed to be came miss we're not talking about a guy out of college Ocho we're talking about a guy that at the time that they signed him he was a top five quarterback everybody had Deshaun Watson in their top five so that's not a situation where we're getting a guy that's never played never thrown an NFL football never doesn't know what it's like to go to NFL meetings and and lead a huddle and command

and be the voice men among men. That's Deshaun Watson. 26 years of age, he had just led the league in passing, had been a pro quo player. So he was supposed to be can't miss. You get Tom Brady, going to Tampa,

he can't miss. You get Peyton Manning. Granted now, Peyton Manning was, he had the elbow, the nerve in his nerve in his neck, Ocho. But based on that,

if everything checked out, If he could throw the ball 40 yards, Peyton Manning was supposed to be Can't Miss. That was Deshawn Watson. 26 years of age, fully healthy, just led the league in passing, and he gets to Cleveland, and for whatever reason, I'm like, I don't know this guy.

I don't know this guy. This is not the guy that came from Houston, Ocho. I don't know it. Yeah, yeah. And you're right. Cleveland, you need wide receivers. You got a great tight end, but it doesn't hurt to have a number.

another one. Knox and Kincaid. Did you see how they got that in Buffalo, old show? Hold on, what about, what about the Bears? Yeah, Loveland and Co-Comet and, uh, Loveland. Yeah, Lovell.

Yeah, you got Warren and you got more Alley Cox and the Colts. You got two tight ends, you got Strange and the other guy at Jacksonville. So they need weapons. They need to beep up that offensive line. The offensive line is just not good enough right now. man they're not good enough right now but you need weapons but you can't keep you can't keep

shuttling quarterbacks in and out yeah you mentioned mark davis i ain't got no problem with mark davis because mark davis will now he's not like his dad he's not meddlesome like his dad he trusts the people that he hired the people that he hired just effed it up because he He didn't want to fire John Gruden. The NFL made him. Yeah. And he's one of those, he's one of those owners. He's not like his dad.

They'd have never made his dad fire anybody. He's like, fire him. He wouldn't hire some more of his family. Just, that's not, Joe, you didn't catch you. See, I called the real. He's like that. That's not how his son is.

His son is like, okay, I'll total company line. I'll do everything. Jerry has replaced. his dad as the outlaw. Man, I'm going to do what the hell I say. I pay for this team. I'm not going to let you tell me what to do or boss me around. But, Ocho, here's what Jimmy Haslam had to say about the state of the Browns.

And I want you to hear this, okay? First of all, ownership takes full responsibility for where we are. To win eight games in two years is horrible. It's totally unacceptable, okay? And it's not going to continue, okay? and I want the fans to know we are as frustrated as you are. Hey, Unk, is one thing about it, right?

Hey, listen, ownership, Ownership, hey, this is the funny thing about it. Ownership takes full responsibility. They have to. Hey, owners can't get fired, Joe. I know. Hey, the people, hey, the people that own, they can't get fired.

400, probably 400, 425 coming, oh, Joe, in March. What that mean? The TV calls. contract every NFL's team cut oh yeah hey so wait oh 425 million yeah how much we get out of that we don't own no team and oh show now that's the TV cut now we ain't say nothing about you selling tickets we ain't say nothing about the local more are advertising we didn't say nothing about local tv local sponsorship concession we didn't say nothing by parking

and we didn't say nothing by concession yeah oh yeah it add up the hunt You ain't got to tell me twice. I understand the business side of things. I just don't like to talk about it. Okay. Brown's general manager, Andrew Barry, said today that he was non-committal on the team starting quarterback for 2026 and that a new head coach will have a say in the decision. Barry said, we're going to do our work on the quarterback market.

It's too important of a position. And it's something that has to be solidified. I can't sit here and tell you today whether the starter in 2026 is internal or external. But it's something that we're going to work through. over the next several weeks. And quite honestly, the new head coach will also have a lot of input into that way. Oh Joe, you see what he said?

Yes. Talk to me. He said, it's too important a position. He said, I can't sit here today and tell you an internal left quarter. Oh, Andrew Berry said today that he was non-committal on the starting quarterback for the 2026 season. And the new head coach will have a safe.

He should have be safe. He got a coach. You see what he did? Yeah. He's going to put, again, going to put somebody on the head coach that maybe the head coach doesn't want. And then I'm stuck.

It's like your grandmother's to put that plate down for you. Man, I don't want that. Okay, do it out. But obviously, obviously, Andrew Barry, they've made mistakes when it comes to picking. And I don't advocate anybody, I don't advocate anybody getting fired at you. You might get fired.

Right. I'm just saying. You found, okay, Stephansky, and I'm not saying Stafansky didn't deserve to go, but I'm saying, who hires Stefansky? Who brought all those players in? He did. So he bring all those players in.

He stays and gets to hire another coach. Okay. And that's why they feel comfortable taking responsibility for all the losing, because there's nothing that's going to happen to those who own. home. They just, they're going, they're going to keep recycling, coach after coach, or quarterback after quarterback. At some point, until they get, until they get,

right. Joe, Joe. So let me get this right. Jimmy has them stood before the press today and said eight wins over the last two seasons is unacceptable. Is it unacceptable for the guy that hired that coach? Hmm. I, last I check, I mean, you didn't get him off a, uh, uh, uh, hiring app. I mean, maybe it was ZipRecruiter. You know, you get these people, got me get all the emails and all these different, you know, advertising,

hiring agencies. I heard you looking for work. Where do you hear that from? I mean, you know, you know what the issue is, huh? All these coaches that's getting fired, when coaches get fired in general, I mean,

it all come down to one common denominator. What's that? You don't have the goddamn players you need to have success. because Sean McVeyn't go anywhere Bill Belichick lasted 20 years look at all the coaches that have had long sustaining careers they've always been able to compete

Diane Cranky Sean McVey says look I understand you took this guy number one but I can't win with him I've gone as far as I can go with him we need to do something now you tell me what other coach is going to have an input

that says you know what we're going to trade our number one pick give up first rounders we need Matt Stafford How many owners are going to do that, Ocho? The Raiders have fired their head coach Pete Carroll after just one season. Carol said the Raiders would win a bunch of games in his first season. Instead, the Raiders finished 3 and 14. Had to check, but they got that number one pick.

The Raiders were at the bottom of almost every category, offensively, and defense. The unit finished 31st in Pressures, uh, rate, 27th and sack, despite Max Crosby having 10 this season. The Raiders are also looking to hire a financial advisor. That's what you should. Ocho, think about all the coaches. Antonio Pierce, $8 million. Josh McDaniel, $10 million. John Gruden, $10 million.

Pete Carroll, $16 million. Chip Kelly, $6 million. And you got to bring another head coach in and his staff. You got to pay them. Yeah, but listen, if they need to hire a, if they need to hire a Joe, if they need to hire a financial advisor, I'm right what they need to come. Yeah. I'm right. I'm exactly who they need to call. They already need to. Hey, listen, if there's anything, I can get them out of that.

Don't worry about that. I can get them out of that. If it's anybody that knows and that's financially conscious and very savvy when it comes to spending and making sure it's me. It's too late, Joe. It's me. Well, listen, it might be too late, but I will make sure they won't make any more goddamn mistakes and overspending from this point on. Now, bring me in the building. Well, here's the thing. When you fire a coach, you ain't got no choice. You're on the hook for his money. Well, listen, we're going to be a lot more cautious on who we hire

and making sure we allow that contract. You could have hired Bill Belichick. That quarterback situation, you're going to be right here. Oh, yeah. You're right. Hey, so if you're the Raiders, though, do you get one of these kids coming out of the draft? They're going to back, or do you go?

Because I don't believe, I don't, at some point in time, you got to stop trying to get stuff. You got to stop trying to, like we used to call it secondhand. You know, Joe, you know what I'm talking about second. You don't second hand. But it was a long time before I had a new car by something myself. There's somebody hadn't got in there and passed gas in it. I want to be the first one of the past gas in this car.

So, oh, Joe, you know, you're getting secondhand stuff. I think that need to move on from that second hand and get a quarterback of their own. And where he going to come from? Look, the kid from Indiana. Them get a quarterback at their own. a kid from the Oregon, they're coming out. It's too much money, not to. They ain't going to get it as old Joe.

No. You put them, you put them young bulls in that environment. Have you seen Oregon's team? Have you seen Indiana? Yes, I have. And what you think going to happen to either one of them if they go to the Raiders? What is going to, what they're going to look like?

You already know. Look, they're a long ways away. they need offensive line they need defensive players look you got to trade Max Crosby he's the only thing that's the only thing of value that you have that can bring you back draft compensation

to help you build up that's the only thing of value got that's the only thing that you can trade so you're going to have to trade him and get a first and a third and the second next year right and you got a first this year

but also you got a hit you got a hit and that's the hard part it is yeah it's making sure it's like going to the goddamn casino um playing uh roulette you know roulette you never know yeah same thing though yeah i get you yeah you spend the ball and you spend the the wheel yeah yeah with the black and the red i get it yeah in the numbers yeah what it's called roulette man come on man why y'all always correct you man

Yeah, look, you got Brock Bowers. He's one of your top tight ends in the league. So you got a pass catching tight end. You need a receiver. You went into the draft. You got a back last year. You need somebody to block for the back. You need somebody to block for your quarterback.

You got, you got, Christy, excuse me, Crosby, that he can, you're not trading, you're not trained Brock Bowers. The reason why I didn't mention him, because you're not training him. No, no, not a chance. Max Crosby is a guy that you can trade and get, that can help you build this thing back up

because that's really the only thing that you have a value, that you're willing to move. Hmm. You got to start with that foundational piece, Ocho, at the end of the day. Yeah, yeah. I mean, if you got a house, Ocho, what's you going to get? What's the first thing you go by? What can't you live without?

Shoot, I'm hoping you say furnish, your aunt. I will give you, I give you $500 and you got to get one piece. Damn, in the house? TV? Man, that's accessory. Hey, not when you got a phone. I can do that, I can watch all that stuff on my phone. I mean, okay, okay.

Dan, that's a good one, huh? because the first thing I think about by getting the house I need some furniture I got to have some where to lay lay my head and a TV I'm trying to think what else

I can speak for experience I bought a house it was over budget joke you know what I'm saying my people told me you can spend 425,000 I said I got you

425 I get me a big old high for 425 first house the lady showed me was 625 I said why you're showing me this house you know I can't afford

for this, let's go somewhere. But I said, before we go somewhere, let me look around. You know what I said? I said, Joe, Orcho, I said, before we go since we're here now, I might as well look around. I put my hands in the locket, I walk in there.

Yeah, that's the game they play on. Oh, man. Big old, I ain't never see no walk-in shower. You got a bed and clothing? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I, I, I, Our towels were the same place my jeans were. You know, I didn't go get a pair of jeans.

They didn't get a towel. So, you know what I'm saying? I ain't never seen no linen closet. Lennon. Yeah. So I walked down. She opened the door. I go down.

I said, there's a basement. I said, what is that? At the time, I ain't know what it was. I said, what is this called? She said, it's a basement. Yeah. And it's finished. Yeah.

I said, huh? Yeah. I'm walking down there. Carpeting. Oh, 3,000 square foot. Ooh, I said, damn. I could just imagine what I could be doing in here. Yeah, man.

Yeah. A lot of trampoline, actually. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Joe, trampoline. Your boy was young. I was 24, 25, now. I figured trampoline. I said, okay.

I said, okay, this is a little bit out of my budget. Let me see the other houses. You know what I said, Joe? Oh, Joe. I said, let me see the other houses. Hey, that Fon 25 ain't going to hit nothing like that, man. She said, well, okay, Mr. Sharp. This is like,

This is like 435 to 450. She saw, she, I saw those houses. I walked in hand, hand, the pocket, just like this right here. Let I don't want this. I go to the other with your own show. Same thing, hands in my pocket. I look around.

I said, let's go back and look at that other house. One more time, let's look at the other house you showed me. That first one you showed me. She said, are you sure, Mr. Shark? because they told me the budget. Yeah, yeah. I go back there, I started thinking. I said, I'm right here in the heart of Buckhead.

Man. I'm right there. I can walk to Fields Plaza, so I can walk to Lennox Mall. Yes, sir. Yeah. I can walk to the movie theaters that's in Fields Plaza. Because back then, Joe, I don't know if you remember. Oh, when you got there, they used to have a movie theater in Lennox Mall.

Yeah. Until old boy got shot, a dude got shot there. But it was, you didn't want to go there. I'll tell you about that later, Joe. But anyway, I say, whew, I was thinking about it. I remember she dropped me back at a time. She dropped me back at the hotel.

Yeah. She said, what you think, Mr. Sharp? I said, I think I'm about to be over budget. I said, I think I'm about to be over budget. Hey, that's not. They got me. Boy, that's how they get you. You know who I bought the house from you?

Who? Sugar Ray Leonard's ex-wife, Juanita. Did you? Well, they got you. Hey, they got you just how they got me. How they got you, Joe? Oh, Joe. I'm out here supposed to be looking for me a nice little townhouse.

I just come from Phoenix. Yes, sir. I'm moving out here to Atlanta. Okay. Man, you know, Sharif Abdul Rahim, he just built his house out here in Sandy Springs. Yes, sir. He ain't been living in the six months.

I say, well, we can go by there and check it out. We come by here, Ocho, I'm still in the house of this day. We come up here, Ocho, we come by here. They got the chef in there. He got everything whipped up. Right. Man, I'm probably looking at a townhouse. This $14,000.

I'm like, oh, look, you ain't for it taking me go looking at no townhouse. That's all this. I don't know why you, why not start with the 425s first? Right. Why you start with this? It's like I'm about to go to that. Hold on.

Time out, time out, time out, time out. Let's slow down a little bit. Cause Joe just threw it out there like I, like we, me and the chat and hear him just say $14,000 square feet. I'm just keeping it 100. 14,000 square feet. Boy, boy, you in Buckingham Palace, what? Ocho, Ocho, oh, Joe, oh, listen.

Look, boy, I had to have a long talk with my mama about this. I'm a townhouse. I ain't going to go to no townhouse after seeing this. Hey, Joe, hey, Joe, I got to come out there, holl at you, boy. Man, you got to come see me. Come see me, man. Hey, you, like you say, your property, that's a property. That ain't no house. Hey, oh, Joe. Hell damn.

I've been blessed, Ojo. It ain't just the house. I got three kids all over at an age of three. Ooh. I was like, man, how I'm going to make this work? I was like, ooh. I said, man, boy, also, I, I, I, swore for God and two white men, I was eating ketchup with a knit needle.

Bad look here. I ain't, man, I ain't never ate so much tuna, oatmeal and eggs in my life. Man, I went to Sam's, I was buying like seven, eight dozen, like 20 dozen eggs at a time. I was getting cake, I was getting palettes of tuna. That's all I can't eat. I got to pay for the house. I got to pay for the house. That's all I ain't.

Hey, hey, listen, you got to make, you got a sacrifice, huh? You wanted, you wanted that house? Had to sacrifice. Listen, I understand your pain. I've been there before. Maybe not, maybe not to that extent, but listen, we've all had the sacrifice something, but something else that we like and we love.

We appreciate at that time, knowing it's out of our budget. Hey. Knowing good and well, because we know it's coming. Ain't had no, you know it's coming. Ain't had no tape, nothing to either. I didn't.

I had a couch and I had a bed. That's all I had for. Hey. Hey, oh, God. Hey, look. Hey, hey, that shit, hey, you working hard as I don't know what those. I had a kingside bed. I had a king's out of bed.

I had a king's out of bed. Uh, what's that? Uh, you remember the furniture store huffs, Joe? Right there on ladies row by that church. It used to be a glass. It was a big glass builder right there. Uh. But the furniture, that's what it all,

all the high-end black entertainers and limb, they used to go get their furniture from there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you probably spent the Christmas. Oh, I do that, but you know, I had to get me back. I had to know, oh, oh, Joe, oh, Joe. I had a bed now, but you know, my bed was black lacquer. Black lacquer.

And it light up like, like an infinity, like infinity. And like Ellie, hold on. You had LED lights? Yeah, before it was cool, before it was it, before it was in style. Right. And let me tell you what I did. Let me tell you what I had, Ocho.

I was flurred a little bit. I went all in, I was, like I said, I would even catch up with a knit needle. Come on, take your time. And I had me a leather comforter, custom made for the bed. Oh boy, you could have. Oh, leather? Think of what?

Leather. Leather, comforter, custom for the bed. Yeah Oh yeah You could Then I did a card Signing You know I did a car

You know back then You saw it kind signed cards Uh uh They gave your boy A little money I signed like $2,000

I got me about 12 5 Yeah Bought me some Satin sheets Satin Hey How about this here

Man I see them in the movies How they run Jump in the Bay How I go jump in the bed My ass Always costs the floor to the other side on the floor I win I said oh man this don't look good this ain't

functional hey hey hold up but why are you talking oh okay Ocho y'all still don't do a car signers oh I do I do every every blue moon Joe because back then you know my brother would take me like they want my brother he had just in the beginning they wanted my brother because he had you know won the triple crown he was a all pro first you know a hundred catch season back to back under catch season so they wanted him and the only way he would go do to sign it they had to take me so they thought you more 2,500 5,000 right right right yeah I got crazy I mean one time I signed 10,000 cards damn and one thing they they gave you three months yeah oh to get through it

okay okay but I was going I had a couch I have what I had a couch and had no TV, but I had a bed. The bed was nice. I've been saying the bed was nice. The bed was nice. Yeah, hey, I'm still doing car signers. It is Dave, boy, the way they're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I still sign a lot, boy. Bad. I say, boy, hey, I look back, I look back. I think by some time now, I'll just be laying down. I was like, damn. This thing could have went sideways in a hurry. Oh, yeah. I ain't have no choice.

You said, oh, you were shooting up. Yeah, I was shooting up. But I got three, I got to get on it. I got three kids, they're in daycare and I got, I still got to take care of granted. I still got to take care of living, mom every one in a while plus the kid. That's my number one responsibility. So if I got to do without, I'm cool.

People like, man, I can train myself. I'll go a couple of days without eating. He'll be killing it. I'd be killing you, you're so hungry. But I say, no, I got to put myself in a situation because if I ever have to not be able to eat, I'm going to be good with it. Hey, hey, hey, it's a lot of people

ain't, they ain't going to be to understand what you're saying, bro. No, no, no, no, Joe. It's a lot of us who have been there and done that. Hey, Joe, the funny thing about it is is the people, the people aren't going to understand because they've only seen the finish part up. They've only seen the finish part. They only seen you on Sundays.

They don't understand the walk you took and the path you took to get to where you are. They don't understand the sacrifices that came along, that goddamn journey before you got to what you see on Sundays. They'll never get it on. They'll never get it. When I coined the phrase to me, I wore summer clothes. I told him when I went to college, I said, man, I wore summer clothes. Man, look that means. What do you mean summer clothes?

Some of my brothers, some of my uncles, some of my cubs. Hey, they just passed that bang on down. Oh, yeah. Hey, I'm like, they're so spanking away this last year. I got the way. Man, listen. And when it got too small for me, that's the jeans they cut up. And you know back there, you know, you're on your knee, you put holes in your knees in your jeans.

My grandma would have gotten too small for me. Man, all that stitching. Come on, granny. This was in college. I was in coming up in school. I was coming up, yeah. But no, when I was in college, you know, look, I went to college.

Oh, yeah. I had matching luggage. I had two pigly wiggly bags. With everything I owned inside of them. I had matching luggage, Joe, pigly wiggly. No, it might have been winning next at the time. They changed the name of the piglo.

But I had two brown bags. You don't believe the ass past the board. That's it. college class of 86 that's what we call ourselves 86 asked him how I showed up to win dixie brown brown grocery bag I had everything I own in those bags hey I believe boy I ain't have much in that when I went to college neither I ain't gonna lie to you I used to what a crap out of them Arkansas razor bag sweats oh cho we ain't had no to that I'm talking about all kind of stuff on them sweat hey hey like it was design uh huh man what you talking about

And you remember, like in the dorm, you had like, we had one washing, we had two washes, two dryers. Now, think about it. You got long, you might got 70 guys, two washes, two drives. So guess what happened? Guess what happened? If your stuff, your stuff, you're not there to see it.

It's going to be over the side. don't talk and somebody else stuff in there and you just hope your best eyes on shirt and your best stuff you see somebody what come on take you know that's me hey hey hey hey you already know though when you're down there washing them clothes in college you got to stay out of you got to stay down there with you oh yeah you can't put the stondom clothes and time about you going to go to your world okay okay that was the best thing on show when I got a girlfriend I got a girlfriend my junior year yeah yeah well hey you're you're You thought, hey, she take care everything.

Washed it, folded up. Because you know, I'm just washing. Hey, I'm dumping everything in there together. Throwing powder in there? Yeah. Hey, you ain't said, you ain't separating none. You washing white and blacks and colors. I, the only thing I didn't have is bleach.

I just knew you couldn't put bleach in color. But everything else, hey, tied. That's the only, that's the only, that's the only thing we always use. We only use tied. We have no fabric softener. We have nothing. Static and that powder. Sox stuck in the jeans.

I have my four pair of socks stuck to my jeans. Chad, y'all know what I'm talking about. I ain't the only one. Hey, I remember those days, well, hey. Hey, that's throwback. That's throwback. Ocho, is it rare to see Pete Carroll? Because the one thing we know about Pete Carroll, he can rebuild.

Look at what he did at USC. Look at what he did at Seattle. Are you surprised that they didn't give him more time to try to get this thing turn? around been one year no absolutely not I'm not surprised at all obviously because where they were ranked offensively and defensively I'm not sure if the players were responding to Pete Carroll obviously I think they want to go a little bit younger when it comes to the coaching staff that they that they want to bring in

they want to go in a completely different direction obviously I love Pete I love what Peter's been able to do at the NFL level at the collegiate level but it's obvious that Tom and others that are making those calls in that building want to go much younger to another coach where the players a little bit more receptive to what they have to say. But think about what he had in Seattle.

They get Russ, they get Shurn, they get B. Wags, they get Cliff Averill. They get Earl Thomas. They got Cam. Look at what they're doing now. They trade for beast mode.

They draft those receivers, Curse, and Baldwin. You see? Look at what they got. Yeah. Now you got, you got. Russ, now you got a nucleus. What a nucleus is in

in, uh, excuse me, in Vegas. It ain't Macon Crosby. Brock Bowles, even though it's early. And with that, it wasn't until they got the quarterback with Russ. Yeah. That they were able, in part with that Legion of Boone. They get Michael Bennett, you know, they get Michael Bennett and they get, you know, Malcolm Smith and they get a couple of these other guys.

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