Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL Week 2 Part 1: Micah Parsons is UNFAIR + Joe Burrow OUT!

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Best of NFL Week 2 Highlights! Unc and Ocho break down all the biggest games, including Micah Parsons’ dominance with the Pac...kers, Joe Burrow sidelined 3 months with a toe injury, and much more!   0:00 - Packers vs Commanders 16:06 - Bengals vs Jaguars  37:26 - Colts vs Broncos 42:27 - Seahawks vs Steelers 48:32 - Cowboys vs Giants (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:08 Well, the 2-N-FC contending teams in back-to-back weeks. Ocho, what did you make at this ballgame? Jordan Love was 19 to 31, 2-92, 2 touchdowns. Two touchdowns, no interceptions. Jane Daniels, 24 of 42, 200 yards, 2 touchdowns, no interceptions. but he was hounded all night long. They pressured him relentlessly, and they took him down four times.
Starting point is 00:03:33 The commanders were unable to get a running game going, no show. They had 19 rush attempts, 51 yards. They took the running game away, and they unleashed the hounds on Jane Daniels, and they win the ball game, 2718. What did you like about what you saw from the pack? Listen, from the pack is everything.
Starting point is 00:03:48 Obviously, Michael Parsman was a story. Jordan Love and those receivers were the story. There would be heard about leading up to this game, But to me, the back end, the back end defensively for the Packers, Xavier McKinney, brother Nixon on the one side. They were, to me, the most surprising, which popped out on film, which is one of the reasons why I think the Packers are going to go very far this year, not only into the playoffs, but make that running an NFC to contend for that Super Bowl championship.
Starting point is 00:04:18 Unk, this is what, the Packers haven't started 2 and 0 since, well, I think 2020, if I'm not mistaken, and they look for the, phenomenal, not just on offense and Jordan Love list. The receivers did exactly what we expect him to do. I'm hoping Jayden Reed is okay. I think his collarbone. He might have fractured his collarbone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:37 You can tell the way he fell and they put that weight on it. Yep. You already know. But everybody else stepped up. Everybody else stepped up offensively. Jordan Love did his thing. Josh Jacobs did his thing. But that back in, that back in for the Packers, obviously not having to,
Starting point is 00:04:55 the poses and the threats that the Washington commanders did have were nullified. They were nullified because their back in played extremely well. They sitting on routes, sitting on plays. Normally, they're at another team. You're not sitting on them. Well, they know they don't have to play. They don't have to cover long because they know the pressure is going to come.
Starting point is 00:05:15 So they know with Rashon Gary. They know with Van Ness. They know what Michael Parsons. They know with those guys, Wyatt and all those guys, it's going to generate a pass rush. And we don't have to hold up long. So, hey, until they show us they can hold up and there's a chance we get a double move.
Starting point is 00:05:30 Right. Okay, but we're sitting on everything day. Hey, we're going to stand back here and we don't believe you have time to run by us. Right. So if you run by us, hey, the coach, you're going to say that's on me. So we'll have to back up and go play them, have to play them a little bit more honestly.
Starting point is 00:05:43 But when you got that kind of relentless pressure and the only thing that really saved them a lot tonight because Jaden Daniel does have legs because they were coming. He did not have a whole lot of time to throw the football. And once you neutralize that run, now you've made the commander's one-dimensional. Once you make a team to one-dimensional, now they're at your mercy because, guess what? We already know you can't run it when you want to. We control the terms of disagreement.
Starting point is 00:06:08 And the terms is you're going to have to throw. We know you have to throw, and we're coming to get you. Yeah. There were two plays with a defensive back, brother Nixon, for the Green Bay Packers that stuck out to me on film. He was playing off at seven. he did his three-step read. He's not even looking at it. He's not even looking at the receiver.
Starting point is 00:06:26 Receivers coming off full speed. His eyes locked in on Jaden Daniels. Yeah. Three steps went. Those eyes shifted back to the receiver, and he stayed so fundamentally sound, uncle. He didn't panic, and his pedal never came out of his pedal. Dude tried to run a stop route.
Starting point is 00:06:47 Man, he broke on that. It almost got picked going the other way. Then came back later on the game. and say, okay, we see what you're trying to do. We're going to study you now since you're so aggressive and you're jumping everything short. They tried to pump him. He stabbed just a little bit, just to throw the timing off a little bit.
Starting point is 00:07:06 Speed turn, got right back in the hip side. Knocked the ball down. Those two plays of me stuck out tremendously for me because I understand how difficult it is to transition like that as a DB and having that eye discipline and being technically sound and savvy, being patient to be able to do what I saw the night, no two plays, it's easy to do in practice.
Starting point is 00:07:30 But seeing them execute it in a game, knowing that the person is going to get there, man, hands down. That back in to me for the Packer stuck out on film. Back-to-back weeks, last week they allowed 246 yards to the Detroit Lions, fewer than 250 yards to the Washington commanders. That's back-to-back weeks. That's the first two games of the season since 1995. Michael Parsons generated a team high eight pressures.
Starting point is 00:07:56 He had a half a sack on 37 pass rush attempts in his second game with the Packers. Six of Parsons pressures came in the second half. Look, he's an edge guy. And I understand they got a lot of edge guys. And so you're going to have sometimes guys going to have to line up inside and it's all congested in there. But he needs to be in space. He can use that quickness.
Starting point is 00:08:16 He can use that ability to move and move. bend those edges. I saw the thing that was showing, kind of showing like DT at a 40 degree angle, Michael Parsons at a 42 degree angle, both can bend the edges. But I think that's the, that's the thing is, Ocho, you're right, that back in look really good. But when you get that kind of push up front, you ain't got a hole up long. Right. You ain't got the whole up long. Kraft had an unbelievable job at the tight-end position. He had 124 yards. Oh, my goodness. Since Richard Rogers in week 13, 2015 against Detroit. That was the miracle in Motown, the Hare of Mary game, Joe.
Starting point is 00:08:54 They've been losing the whole game. And then Aaron Rogers' rolls and Richard Rogers plus the hell Mary. But defensively, there's nothing not to like. Look, George Love, he was late on one throw. He should have another touchdown early in the ballgame. He was just late. Oh, to Matthew Golden, the one of Matthew Golden. That was 86, and it allowed the DVD recover.
Starting point is 00:09:16 Yep. I don't know why he put that much Aaron put it on. He looked like he tried to touch it instead of just let it go. Just let it go. Ain't nobody over there, bro. Just go ahead and throw that. And then he had another when he put too much on it because Golden had split the seams. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:31 And he probably had a probably, he probably should have used a little, a shorter club. Yeah. He had too much club. You know what? Just in comparison, Matthew Golden runs a 4-4, right? And I look at that play. I look at that play. And this is where I say where I think Tyree Keel is so special.
Starting point is 00:09:50 I don't mean to bring up Tyreek. But a play like that, a ball like that, where Tyreek is in that position, where he split that safety in that corner, he makes that catch and run. Yeah, but that's the deal between, I mean, people like, but that's the deal between 4-2 and 4-4, though.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Mm-hmm. Yeah, you're right. He's going to run up under that. Right. But there's a good chance if he doesn't, if he, if he hitches, Tyree's going outrun it. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:10:17 Absolutely. So the thing is, maybe in a situation like that, You can't, you know, you can't take the hit. You just got to basically when you just let it go. Yeah. Because Tyree, with a free release? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:28 Do not run that. Free. Nah. I mean, because the thing is, you got to make, you got to make Tyree drop step. You got to make him do something. You can't just let the man have a free release like he's running 100 meters. Just free. Go.
Starting point is 00:10:40 He's gone. Well, you ask, you, you really asking for trouble. Yeah. But you had to be really impressed with the Packers. Look, I'm not overly concerned against Washington. that was a buzz saw that was a short week and that's no excuse but when if you can't run the football
Starting point is 00:10:56 against a team that can generate that kind of pressure you're going to be in for a long night because you got to give them something else to think about Ocho right now they're not thinking about anything they're not running about Eckler they're not worrying about Merritt, Kotsky Merritt they're not worried about any of those guys
Starting point is 00:11:12 because what you've shown is that you can't run the football against our front four right so now we'll worry about to run hey y'all hell of that right a linebacker y'all hell of that we're going hunting yeah they did a great job of keeping jane daniels in the pocket did they did a great job of when he escaped the pocket because they got guys that can run they got guys that can hunt hey and the coach turned loose hey these dogs gone hunting and uh they did a great job of tracking jane daniels tonight uh 24 42 200 yards two touchdown he didn't turn it over but he was under constant pressure
Starting point is 00:11:46 Michael Parsons had eight pressures alone. They sat them four times. So they probably pressured him another, you know, probably 12, 13 times tonight. That's exactly what I'm going to ask you. Do you see the presence, the presence of Michael Parsons, how he used to meet that defense. Obviously, listen, they were really good, even if he wasn't there. But his addition to that and speeding up everything else for whoever they're playing offensively, being destructive, throwing off the timing, helping that back in where the DVs right now.
Starting point is 00:12:18 But they're looking like, they're looking like Hall of Famous out there now. Yeah. Looking like Hall of Famers where it seems as if they're making all the plays. But if you don't understand the game, you're looking from the outside, looking in, you'd be like, oh, my goodness, boy,
Starting point is 00:12:31 these boys back there, it's an all world. You're right. But that, but you can do that, Ocho. You look at the secondary when you had, when Reggie was in Philly. You look at those guys, all those guys that were. because you had Reggie, you had Clyde Simmons, you had, Jay, Rested Soul, Jerome Brown.
Starting point is 00:12:50 Yeah. Look at what you had. So, EA, them back there, they didn't have to hold up long. No. They didn't have to hold up long. Yeah. So the ball's going to come out quick.
Starting point is 00:13:00 You got Reggie on one side. You got Clyde on another side. You got Jay Buggin. Hey, who Eric Allen was on one side, right? Yeah. You remember who was on the other side of Eric Allen? Do you remember? it was uh the defense let me see if i can remember they were uh reggie clyd jerome brown
Starting point is 00:13:20 by i think byron evans set jorna ea muddy waters i don't i can't off the top of my head ocho i can't i can't remember at all all i can see eric allen with that 21 on clear as day clear as day i can't remember who was on the other side Ocho. Yeah. But they had a very, they had a very good defense. Man, you look,
Starting point is 00:13:49 EA, he was in, he was in New Orleans also. Played in New Orleans. Well, it must be on the, it must be on the back end because I don't remember that. I know you don't.
Starting point is 00:14:00 No, he finished up, if I'm not mistaken, I think he finished up with the Raiders. You remember him with the Raiders? I remember him with the Raiders. I remember that,
Starting point is 00:14:08 and I definitely remember the Eagles. I think he, I think he went from Philly, to New Orleans, New Orleans to the Raiders. Okay. Okay. Can you check that?
Starting point is 00:14:18 Eric Allen. I think he went from Philly to New Orleans and then New Orleans to a, uh, uh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:31 And if I'm not mistaken, he was, uh, when they had the, uh, the Dome Patrol. Right.
Starting point is 00:14:40 When they had Pats Willings, Ricky Jack, Vaughn Johnson, and they had Sam Mills, the field of the middle linebacker, Sam Mills? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:52 I think, I think EA was there with them, so he's always had a pass rush in front of them. That's why he was sitting on everything. He had the record before DeRond Blan broke it with those six, with those five return touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:15:03 Right. Because he A. was sitting on everything. Mm-hmm. But they were, they were, they were loaded. They were, they were, they were a very good team. Now, he was an outstanding defensive back. He had great skills. He could take the ball.
Starting point is 00:15:16 You know, he could take the ball away. And, you know, he had great feet. He was small, smallish and, you know, but he realized he didn't have to hold up long. Yeah. But a lot of those guys had, I think Ricky Jack had already gone. If I'm not sure, I think Swill might have still been there. I think Sam Mills at that point in time had already gone to Carolina.
Starting point is 00:15:39 So, but they were, they. They had a, he had a, he cut his teeth over in Philly. That's where, you know, most of the people remember him from, but he had an outstanding career. Jordan Love finished 9 of 15, 175 yards. Both touchdown came against the commander's blitz. On throws of 10 plus air yards against the blitz, Love was six of eight for 1444 yards and a touchdown.
Starting point is 00:16:00 His 14.5 air yards per attempt is a career high mark. Ocho, did you like what you saw from Joy Love? Yeah, absolutely. Because the whole point of blitzing is a throw. the timing off and get to you before you can get the ball out. Jordan Love is doing exactly what veteran quarterbacks do and understand, okay, based on what I see, based on tendencies, based on watching film, I already know what's coming.
Starting point is 00:16:24 One of John Love makes points, he communicates with that officer line and they see what's coming, no matter how much you bluffing and rotating and doing all that shenanigans, or we know what you're getting ready to do. And when a quarterback knows it ahead of time, you get the kind of night you got from him when it comes to passing the ball when they're blitzing. I'm not sure what percentage that the commander did blitz,
Starting point is 00:16:44 but I guarantee you 98% of the time that they did, Jordan Love completed that pass. Yeah, well, you're right, or you try to throw the timing off, but those receivers are so quick. Did you see that touchdown by Dobbs or the goal line?
Starting point is 00:16:58 Yes. Hey, I'm, listen, I'm not a defensive back on. I'm not a defense of back, but I love defensive back play. What it did was stick to the outside. Why are you even going for the first move? You got to have patience, like Sally made, keep your heels on the goal line
Starting point is 00:17:13 and don't go nowhere. What you're moving for? He didn't even make a move. All the Dobbs did was stab outside and come in. And you plan on. Because when you study Green Bay, what did Devante Adams? What ride did Devonty Adams catch so much?
Starting point is 00:17:29 That phase stop and that speed out. Yeah, yeah, okay, you're right. You're right, you're right. Hey, how many times we don't see DeVonte Adams run that two yard out for a touchdown? Yeah. You better go for it. Right, you're right.
Starting point is 00:17:42 Because here's the thing, Ocho, if that man run that speed out and you're not close, they're like, bro, what you waiting on? Why are you playing it to see men? Right. That's a really hard, and that's why I say, Ocho, if you up there, if you up there, Ocho, are you going to press or not? Because if you up in a press position, you got to get your hands on the guy. You got a guy free release.
Starting point is 00:18:05 You got a free release. Right. Yeah. Especially down there because you get, the man ain't got but two, three yards go for a touchdown. So he completed, he in the end zone. You're right. You're right. Listen, I never understood with DBs. There's one DB that I've seen that's been able to do it because he's so disciplined.
Starting point is 00:18:23 Yes. And his shadow movement is so good where he can be up and press and not touch you at all because he can stay in front you the whole time and that's Denzel Ward. Obviously, you have other other players that are good that do it a little differently, but they love to use their hands to maintain a leverage. throughout the route and stay on top of you. But listen, you got to, if you're going to get up there and press, put your hands on them and throw the timing off.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Right. But put your hands, because it throws the timing off right away. Yep. Bengals beat the Jaguars 3127. Who? Wait, who? Who? The Bengals beat the Jags 3127.
Starting point is 00:19:01 Joe Burrow is dealing with a left-toe injury that could require surgery. Image of the burrow, left-toe injury is being seen. sent to noted foot specialist Dr. Robert Anderson. To be reviewed, according to Adam Schepter, its surgery is deemed necessary. It is expected to sideline burrow for approximately three months. If, the key word was if, they sent the photo to the doctor. The doctor ain't away in hell he made no goddamn diagnosis that quick.
Starting point is 00:19:32 He didn't make no diagnosis that quick. Oh, Cho, you make it seem like I'm the doctor, like I'm the x-ray. Hold on, but I'm just saying, I don't like the way Adam Schaeft and I don't like the way they report and stuff. And they talk about it could be grade three and he might need surgery. He might be out. He might be out three months. Listen, it could be grade two. Grade two ain't number three, four weeks and you back out here.
Starting point is 00:19:53 It could be great. Hold on. It can be grade one. And it's day to day with today's technology as advanced, it's technology is and the treatments and the ways to get players back healthy and getting them back on the field much faster than when we were playing, we don't know. And I don't like the fact that when they make these reports, they say the worst case scenario.
Starting point is 00:20:18 It ain't got to be, what, why? Listen, where you got this from? Let me ask you a question, Ocho. Who reported this, Adam Schafter? What did he get this from, Ocho? Tell the chat, where you get this from? That it was even as told. Where did he get this from, Ocho?
Starting point is 00:20:33 Well, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Before you go, Can I say something real quick? When I saw Joe sit up on the sideline, right? I mean, on the field, when he turned over and the doctors came out and he got up, I knew his toe was hurt. Can I tell you why? When he got up to walk off, instead of walking normal, he was walking his left foot on his heel.
Starting point is 00:20:56 So he didn't put no pressure on the toe. I said, you know what? Man, he didn't meet and mess up. How we know it wasn't at art? No, no, no. If it was arch, you wouldn't put no pressure on the back of heel. You know what I'm trying to say when you walk like that You don't let your foot in the bottom
Starting point is 00:21:08 You don't let your toe at the bottom I said god damn he didn't dislocated Or jam this toe When he got to tackle He was facing front down right Whoever let whatever lineman landed on him In the back Jam the goddamn toe and the goddamn ground
Starting point is 00:21:21 So I just don't like If you're going to report some At least So let me ask you this How did Adam Sheft to know They were sending it to noted foot special Robert Anderson Well I mean obviously they let him know that
Starting point is 00:21:35 So what else did they let him know that? No, no, no, no. Listen, they did not know. They did not. There's no way that doctor or that foot specialist gave a diagnosis and goddamn five, six hours after the game. Come on that. Ocho, no.
Starting point is 00:21:50 But their doctors did. And that's why they sent it to notice Robert Anderson for a second opinion. Right. For second opinion. But I, I, wait, let me, let me finish. Let me text, Joe. Let me text Burroughs, man. Let me text Burroughs.
Starting point is 00:22:04 Listen, I can get it right from the horse's mouth. Hold on. Let me take it. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that, look, my brother had that injury, and he had, and look, I'm going to tell you some guys that's had that injury. As time, Time had that injury, and Time said he was never the same. Jonathan Ogden had that injury. He retired.
Starting point is 00:22:24 Jack Youngblood had that injury. He retired. My brother had that injury. He shot that toe up every week. He ended up having to put a steel plate in there, so the foot would have been to, the toe wouldn't be in because he ended up having surgery after the season and it was about three it was about three or four months okay hold on hold on I'm texting Burrow right now and he going to answer me you're going to answer me but I see
Starting point is 00:22:49 listen that's worst case scenario you hear me what you're saying what you're talking about this is worst case scenario and we talk about a quarterback we we talk about a quarterback that is he's somewhat of a dual threat he has great great pocket presence he has great escapeability he's not Lamar Jackson, he's not Josh Allen, but he can move around the pocket. Now, I also want to know, and I want to add, that Joe holds on to the ball too long. You got to know when the journey's over. I have to know when the journey is over, especially in that case, in that play right there, nobody's open.
Starting point is 00:23:20 You know, it's okay to go down. It's okay to take that sack and live to see another down. It's hard because he wants to make a play, Ocho, it's hard. I know he wants to make a play, but again, now we back. on the table getting But that's his thing Ocho, he's going to be injured
Starting point is 00:23:39 you resign to that fact Ocho he's going to be injured Ocho every other year he's going to be injured It's football It's football The game of football is a violent sport
Starting point is 00:23:49 injuries happen It's a part of the game What you want to do is you want to minimize those the best way you can the best way you can and I would love with Joe to say you know what
Starting point is 00:24:00 ain't nothing out there right now I'm going to go down I'm going to take this sack live the plane of the down. Let's get back to it. Ocho, I agree with you. I totally agree. But here's the thing where the quarterback, what does a quarterback do? He dropped back. What else do you have to do? Shift his motion. And so when you start messing with that foot, now you start messing with your mechanics.
Starting point is 00:24:23 Yeah. And the one thing you don't want to do is mess with those mechanics. because the one thing what quarterbacks try to try to prevent and stay out of is developing bad habits and when you start having injury then you guess what you do, Ocho, you develop bad habits.
Starting point is 00:24:40 Bad habit to compensate for that area where it was hurt. I knew what you're talking about. I know, I think you look at it like, okay, how serious is the turf toll? They seem to think it's very serious. Now, they probably X-rated, okay, ooh, now they're probably
Starting point is 00:24:58 go get an MRI. They'll send those images. They probably got most teams, most teams now stadiums are equipped with imaging. Oh, yeah. We've got that. We got it right there. Right there. Right there. They said he got, Dr. Anderson, I think if I'm not mistaken, he's in Charlotte. If I'm not mistaken,
Starting point is 00:25:16 he's in Charlotte. Right. He's in Charlotte? Or is he he might be the team doctor for the Giants. I think he's in Charlotte. But anyway... Listen, worst case scenario. I'm optimistic. I'm optimistic.
Starting point is 00:25:35 And let's say, let's say, Joe, if anything, worst case scenario, not not worst case. Best case scenario, Joe misses three, four weeks. I say you come back, Steelers, October 15. Well, you said if he misses three and four weeks, he's not having the surgery. No, no, not, not. That, great, listen, worst case scenario is grade three.
Starting point is 00:25:54 I need surgery, I'm out three months. But I don't have no problem with Browning coming in as my starter. I have no problem with that. Browning, what can you do for us the next five weeks? Can you get us the three and two? Can you get us to four and one? Make sure we're still in the hunt. Make sure we're still winning.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Listen, you got all the talent around you. You got all the pieces you need. That's why I'm just talking about the turtow. My brother had that turtow injury. if you, that game, that his first playoff game, he ended up catching three touchdowns against Detroit. He had that turstole. That's why he was running like he was running,
Starting point is 00:26:31 like he had a club foot. But all he did was shoot the toe up every week and he went and played. Now, you know, I don't know if they do that anymore, Ocho. Back then, that's what we did. That's what I did. If I had shoulder injury, I'm shooting it up. ankle injury, I'm shooting it up.
Starting point is 00:26:47 I'm playing. We're going to be all right, man. We're going to be all right. Guys, I don't think guys do that. Because I had a conversation with Emmett, Emmett looked at me and said, boy, you're crazy. He said, nah, he's like, nah, sharp. I don't do the needles.
Starting point is 00:27:02 I said, shh. I said, bro, you're a seven-round draft pick. If I'd have got first round money, I might have thought long and hard about doing the needle. But seven-round draft pick, hey, hey, were your first couple of years, you only made $130,000? Yeah, you, hey.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Well, hold on. Let me see it. Let me see it, let me see it, Joe checks back. but John, I'm just trying to point out some guys that have had that turf toe injury. Jonathan Ogden, he was never the same. Jack Youngblood, excuse me, let me tell you, Jack Lambert had that same injury.
Starting point is 00:27:34 He ended up retiring. Time would tell you, he was never the same. Yeah. He was, Charles Wilson had it too. Wood had it. He was never, he was never the same after that injury. My brother had, like I said, he shot it up and he played. But it's going to be very, very interesting to see how that thing, how it, what plays out.
Starting point is 00:27:55 We'll see. Man, I'm tripping. Man, you got me texting this, man. It's 12.30 at night in Cincinnati. I forgot I'm way in Vegas, man. I'm tripping. Joe, Joe Sleep. We're going to be all right.
Starting point is 00:28:07 We got Brown and that quarterback, baby. Can Jake Brown and keep the Bengals afloat? I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you how you're going to keep my float right here. Watch this. I'm going to tell you how I'm going to tell you. You can hear me. I can see me.
Starting point is 00:28:19 Yeah, I can see you. Hey, yeah, y'all can see me? Brown ain't going to come to the line like this, right? Come to the line, boom. Safety going to drop down in the box because Chase Brown baller right now. Chase Brown baller, right? She'll come out. Alert, alert, alert, alert, check, check.
Starting point is 00:28:34 They got, they got goddamn chasing T. Higgins, man-to-man, bump, and run. Hey, Browning going to hit his hip like this. That means go. That means go. touchdown we good we good we good when you listen when you have when you had them kind of weapons around you at times it doesn't matter who's at the quarterback position but browning is capable of running the offense we saw what he did when he came in last time burrow was hurt but he was out there
Starting point is 00:29:08 dishing and dealing he was at that dishing and dealing I'm talking like a like a like a Vegas car dealer that's what he's going to do I'm telling you what he's going to do I'm telling you We good. We good. Social media was not kind of Brian Thomas Jr. today. They said he looked disinterested. One week after catching one pass on seven targets, Thomas had four catches on a team high.
Starting point is 00:29:27 Twelve targets had a big drop on fourth down late in the fourth quarter. Ocho, I didn't get an opportunity to see this game. I was kind of going back in the box. And so, you know, I was kind of like all over the place. I'm trying to really focus on Dallas. And I'm trying to focus on, you know what I said, Ocho? Now, Dallas, who's playing in that early, that early window? Dallas, yeah, okay.
Starting point is 00:29:52 So what did you think of, don't you? Talk to me. Now, listen, it's one of those games. It's one of those games. I need to touch the ball. Get me involved in the game. Brian Thomas, Jr., extreme success last year as rookie. One of those games, he wasn't getting the target necessary. He felt like he wouldn't be in part of it.
Starting point is 00:30:12 the game, that frustration, that anger, it'll lie, it gets in the way, or when the ball does come your way. You get upset, Unk, it's happened to me before, too, Unk. You be wanting the ball, you get angry on the sideline. Same thing with Kelsey today. You saw Kelsey say, I'm tired of this shit, and then when the balls came your way, you are dropping. But you're angry.
Starting point is 00:30:34 Your mind ain't clear. That's what happened to BT today. That's what happened to BT today. Young Bull, I know you're going to see this. Lock back in. And when the opportunities come, you make the most of them. You're going to have games like this. You're going to have games like this.
Starting point is 00:30:50 What a team is saying, number seven, ain't beating us. You're not beating us. We're not letting you get the ball. So when the opportunity do come, you got to make the most of, young bull. You're going to have games like this. I know it's frustrating. I know you want to be a part of the offense. You're going to have games like this.
Starting point is 00:31:09 Get back to the drone board. Lock in. next week. Well, Trevor going to get to the ball. Don't worry about it. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. I hate games like that, though, I hate it.
Starting point is 00:31:20 Oh, Joe, and it happens that very way. You complain for the ball, and when they get you, the ball beat you up. Beech you right up. Hey, like you ain't never caught, like you, he never caught the ball a day in your life. Like, boy, it's so hard, man. Hey, we've been there. We've been there. That's why I always, I just kept my mouth shut.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Just by look Mm-hmm Did you see our defense today? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that, Trey Henderson, like, what, first time, second night he got to do that. Oh, yeah, hey, he put the nail in the coffin,
Starting point is 00:31:54 but the defense in general played well today. They weren't phenomenal. They weren't great. They were exactly what I said we need to be throughout the season, just good enough. Well, it had to be, oh, Joe, because you guys were, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:05 browning through three picks. So they had, the defense had to bow. back because he was turning the ball over, left her, he was turning the ball over. Yeah, we're going to fix that. We're going to fix that. You know what we're going to fix it? Listen, he only gets so many reps in practice.
Starting point is 00:32:19 He only gets so many reps in practice. The reps you do get is to prepare you for game situations like this in case Burrell gets hurt. Boom. You're throwing picks. Okay, you know what? I got to get, I got to get acclimated to game speed.
Starting point is 00:32:33 I got to get acclimated to the tempo of the game, being back in the offense, getting into the swing of things. It's different. One thing is one thing to do it in practice is a different thing to do it in the game. I got my feet wet. Okay, boom, now next week, I'm going to dive in. I'm ready to get wet.
Starting point is 00:32:50 I'm ready to get wet. Let's go. We got this. I guarantee you, Joe going to be back in four weeks. If anything, maybe five. When we play the jets of the Steelers, he'll be back then. Browning going to get us to buy four in one. Four and one or three and two.
Starting point is 00:33:05 So, at worst, three and two. cause for concern for Brian Thomas Jr. Not a sophomore slump. Oh, no. Oh, no. He good. He good. He good. That's that boy. Now, listen. Understand his DNA. Understand his makeup. His skill set. The Jaguars understand what they have in seven.
Starting point is 00:33:25 He good. He good. Hey, he's an LSU tiger. You know he good. Hell, Malik Nable was mad last week the same way. The same way. Yeah. anyway he was pissed look what he did the day one bad game
Starting point is 00:33:41 hey you good there was a lot made of Trevor Lawrence's exchange with Liam Cohen it was like it seemed like Cohen would say hit him in the chest and Lauren
Starting point is 00:33:52 that would look like I don't know like I said I try I really try not to read Liv So Cho because I don't want to be I don't want to be wrong but I did I did see Trevor Lawrence do this and I know what that mean right right come on man go ahead with that either shut up or leave me alone or I ain't pay you no attention right either one stop it yeah
Starting point is 00:34:21 damn hey who do who the Bengals play uh next week on as who they play next week play the vikes in Minnesota. Oh, man, we're going to watch them. Boy, we're going to watch them. We're going to watch them. We're going to watch the Vikings, boy, especially after the day. Expect with the way our defense is playing, Justin Jefferson,
Starting point is 00:34:48 I know you're going to see this. Boy, you ain't catching Nathaniel. And we're playing in Minnesota. And we're playing in Minnesota. Hey, Chase had himself a day 14 for a buck, 65, on a tub on 16 targets. Come on now. come on that you gotta feed the beast
Starting point is 00:35:05 we talk about the greatest bengal in franchise history Chase be getting at them yeah it don't matter who the quarterback is that's why I say we're gonna be all right T. Higgins was cutting up too yeah for a little while I've been there hey I don't know what they were and look I don't know what they were doing
Starting point is 00:35:21 so y'all y'all just go let Chase just catch all the balls T's like if you're doubling they'll throw me the ball hold on how you gonna stop it Because they put chase all over the place. Oh, you want to double chase wherever you go? Well, T.
Starting point is 00:35:36 Okay, I take my chance with T. Which one won the Triple Crown? Which one is they thought of as the best receiving football? Uno. Okay. So I'm going to take him away. Hey, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a nickel ain't too far behind. Tee ain't too far behind.
Starting point is 00:35:51 Tee can do some nice stuff too now. Well, we ain't going to do that. We ain't going to down play, uh, one. Stop it. Hey, T. Higgins is phenomenal. He ain't one. Yeah. One is got to.
Starting point is 00:36:02 chance to be an all-time grade. I understand what you're saying. That's what I'm saying. Take him away and make T. Higgins. I'm going to make T. I'm not saying T can't, but I want to see it for a game or two. I know what Chase can do. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:18 I know what Tick can do. I'm telling you what he could do. I didn't see it with my own eyes. He's going to top you every time. So in other words, he's equivalent. So in other words, what you're telling me is that T. I didn't say it's equivalent. Don't do that.
Starting point is 00:36:30 So what do you say it? I didn't say equivalent. I didn't say equivalent. Yes, you did. No, I did not. I said, I know what Chase can do. So you said T. Higgins can do what Chase can do. That's what you said.
Starting point is 00:36:45 Oh, they're two completely different skill sets. Well, no, come on. Now, I don't know. You like that. So even with his skill set, is it the equivalent? And his own skill set is he the equivalent of T. Higgins. I mean, of Chase. No, they're completely different.
Starting point is 00:36:57 That's my point. I'm going to take a guy that won the triple crown away. And force the, no matter what you say, Higgins is the B side. Just like Canello last night was the A side and Bud was the B side, Higgins is the B side to chase. No. Receive a 1A and receiver 1B. Period.
Starting point is 00:37:25 And you know what? We're going to show you. I like what you're saying because, you know, I'm a little nervous too. You know what, let me, let me, I'm a little nervous. I'm going to tell you why I'm nervous. I'm going to tell you why I'm nervous. Why are you nervous about? Hold on, what you're nervous about?
Starting point is 00:37:39 Because we, we plan the Vikings. You just said y'all going to watch you. Wait, I, I, no, I didn't think about it. We plan again, Brian Flores defense, huh? And you know what Brian Flores do. Hey, Brian Flores has all these exotic defenses, stunts, blitzes, People come from everywhere, and it can be somewhat overwhelming and confusing for a quarterback that's not used to seeing it. Brother Browning has to deal with that.
Starting point is 00:38:14 If I'm Zach Taylor, I want to put Brother Browning, and I got to stand up because I'm excited. If I'm Zach Taylor, I need to put Brother Browning in a great situation and get him in rhythm. You got to run the ball. Run the ball. Get Chase Brown going. Get Chase Brown going. And once we get Chase going, Chase Brown going, then we could go to the passing game. Little small stuff, unders, slants, quick throws, get browning and rhythm.
Starting point is 00:38:44 Boom. If we get the run game going, then we hit him with the play action like this. Boom. Chase, T. What we talk about. Mitchell, boy, have you seen Mitchell Tensley? You saw Mitchell Tindley One Hand Catching the End all the day?
Starting point is 00:39:01 I didn't see it, but I saw the highlight. I didn't see it. Stop playing with the rookie, man. Man, we're going to be all right. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Man, we might put 35 on the Vikings, man. Okay.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Stop playing, what? All right. Hey. All right. I'll be here. Who day? But, uh, so in other words, you're going to beat the Bengals.
Starting point is 00:39:26 T. Higgins is the A side of the long. with Chase. Yeah, he'd been that. I told you that long time ago. There are very few teams in the NFL that have two number one receivers. The Bengals are one of them. The Eagles might be another team.
Starting point is 00:39:40 I think T. Higgins is phenomenal, but he's not the A-side. Give me another team to have two number ones, don't. Give me another team and got two number one receivers. Come on, that don't do that. I guess you can say Miami with Waddle and Tyreek.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Okay. You can say the round with Pooka Nakua and Devante. And you're cooking the night, baby. You cooking a night, you're cooking. Cowboys, you want to say pickings and seed? I like it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:15 Here. When we're going to talk about your Broncos? The Coles beat the Broncos 29, 28. Indiana Jones had a sighty. He was. 23 or 34, 316, one touchdowns, no interception. Jonathan Taylor ran wild, 25 carriers, a buck 65 with a long of 68. And they went on the last, well, he missed a field goal, but it's called leveraging.
Starting point is 00:40:44 And then he got a re-kick and he kicked it. The Colts are 2 and 0 for the first time since 2009. The Colts are the first team in the Super Bowl era to not punt in either of their first two games in a season. Daniel Jones completed 16 to 25 passes, 265 yards in a touchdown against the Broncos Blitz, the fourth most passing yards against five or more pass rushers in a game in the next gen stat era. You know what?
Starting point is 00:41:14 Yes. If your team didn't win a day, you shouldn't say foot or ball. Man, I just know we had, I thought we had to. Damn. Hey, you shouldn't say football. Matter of fact, when we talk about the Colts and the Broncos, you shouldn't say nothing.
Starting point is 00:41:33 You need to sit there in silence right now. I'm going to talk about it again. Any dimes look good. Jonathan Taylor looked good. Every receiver, brother Josh Downs, brother Michael Pittman Jr., boy, I salute y'all. Because regardless of who's at the quarterback position, the people around him and the way,
Starting point is 00:41:55 weapons around him are making him look phenomenal. Making the decision to start Danny Dimes is on the onus of those around him, the supporting cast is playing well. The Indianapolis coast at 2 and 0. Oh Joe, this was the same supporting cast that was around Richardson. Jonathan Taylor was there.
Starting point is 00:42:18 The only guy that's different is Tyler Warren, the first round draft pick. But Pittman was there. Pierce was there. Downs was there, Mitchell was there. Hey, hey, I know. I know, but we talk about who's at the helm right now running the show. But you said the only reason Danny Dimes is looking good is what's around him.
Starting point is 00:42:36 I'm saying Richardson had those same pieces around it. Hold on. But Danny Dimes is also contributing because he's the one to have to facilitate and deliver the ball to these young bulls. Okay, Danny Dimes, do he doing his job too? I got a question. They tried to blitz him. They tried to bliss him a lot.
Starting point is 00:42:54 Then he heard him. The time they bliss them? Oh, you made them pay. Come on, now. Yeah. Every, every time. Every time. Matter of fact, if your team did not win the day,
Starting point is 00:43:04 you shouldn't say foot or ball. I can't wait the next week. Hey, hold on. Next week. Who y'all got next week? Because it might be another loss. Hey, you worry about Minnesota. Don't worry about us.
Starting point is 00:43:20 Oh, no, we're going to win that game. I already told you how it's going to go. I already told you how it's going to play out. Who do the Denver Broncos play next week? Oh, man. They got the charges in L.A. Oh, y'all for the – that game, hold. Matter of fact, don't say anything start with the F.
Starting point is 00:43:40 Anything start with a B. Don't even say it. The rest of the show. Tyler Warren, that's the tight end from Penn State, right? Because Chicago took Loveland first. And that's why I was like, uh-uh. I said, look, I'm not saying anything. I said, I know a little something.
Starting point is 00:44:00 I said, that kid Warren, that kid from Penn State, he's a bad on the tight ears. Yeah, he's nice. He's nice. Oh, yeah. He's nice. He really, really. Matter of fact, why we talk about the coach right now? Hey, chat, if y'all can hear me, and why we talk about the coach, my favorite player
Starting point is 00:44:18 in the NFL right now is Cam buying him. Anytime he does something, you get an interception. Oh, he's celebration. Oh, my God, boy, I got to get me a can't buy him jersey. Can't buy them. Boy, if you see this, I salute you. Please keep up the creativity. It's exciting for me.
Starting point is 00:44:36 It's exciting. I love it. And push the envelope some more. Please push the envelope some more, man. Salute to you, young bull. Salute. Well, look, here. I mean, the Broncos, their leading tacklers,
Starting point is 00:44:46 Pat Surtan had 11 and her finger had 10. You know what that mean? Everybody getting past the second level. everybody getting past the second level if you got damn corner and your safety got the most tackles on your safety yep you right who they Broncos lost and the Bengals won short live sound good see y'all beat the Steelers 3117 for the first time since 2022 the Steelers have allowed more than 30 points in the first two games of the season a massive medal lasts by rookie running back Caleb Johnson gifted
Starting point is 00:45:23 the Seahawks a touchdown on the kickoff return. The ball glanced off his arms and rolled into the end zone. Johnson didn't even attempt to field it. But I think now you have to field it, right? Yep. But yeah, no, no, kickoff's alive, though, Ocho. Yeah, you can't, you can't let it go. I don't, I'm not sure why he didn't, he didn't know the rule.
Starting point is 00:45:43 But, yeah, he just let it go, walk to the sideline, not even realizing. That's a live ball. Yeah, it's a live ball. He won't make that mistake again. not. And it happens to the Steelers. Barry Foster did the same thing. San Francisco kicked the ball off. He let it hit the ground. They got it. Ran it back. You can look it up. Might have been 92. Hey.
Starting point is 00:46:11 Uh, man, Seattle players of Sam Donald. They got 17 in the fourth, Ocho, against that defense on the road. Yeah. Sam Darnham was, he was 22 of 33, 295, two touchdowns, two picks. Aaron Rogers was 18 of 33, two touchdowns. No, one touchdowns, two interceptions. Mason Rudolph came in. Did Rogers get hurt?
Starting point is 00:46:37 Because like I was, I just watching the highlights in Jigba, 8 for 103. Cooper Cubs, seven for 90. Mm-hmm. The funny thing about it is the Steelers defense wasn't playing that bad. now the Steelers defense the score line the first three quarters but it looked good yeah they only gave up for too good no it was all of a sudden in the fourth quarter
Starting point is 00:47:04 the goddamn bottom fell out ah man god rogers didn't look like he did he didn't look like week one in week two he won no no no no no no no you're going you go he's gonna have his up He's going to have his up and down. He's definitely going to have it up and down. Hey, can I ask you a question? Guess who's number one in the AFC North? Y'all temporarily. I did, I just, I just want, I told you, I told you, I told you,
Starting point is 00:47:39 horse they run fast, don't run long. Hey, I told you, I told you, football, the AFC North is coming through the 513. It's coming through Cincinnati. I told you that before the season started, I'm going in the week three. The AFC North run through Cincinnati, and anybody in the chat that got something to say about it,
Starting point is 00:48:04 let's bet. The Steelers average five yards per play, Ocho. They couldn't run the ball, and most of their success through the error came on very short passes. Ocho, did we make too much of week one for Aaron Rogers? Nah, I wouldn't say we made too much. too much of week one he played good that's the air one yeah yeah and he didn't play good today so we can say you know what Aaron Rogers played unbelievably week one uh if I'm not
Starting point is 00:48:30 mistaken he no Josh Allen was officer a FC officer player the week but he played really good more touchdowns clean game no turnovers okay we come back and say Rogers didn't play good this weekend yeah he did last week don't got anything to do it this week yes he played good week one they don't have to be mutually exclusive we don't have to say oh well But no, he played really good week one. He did not play really good week two. We'll evaluate what he does in week three. When week three is done.
Starting point is 00:49:02 They didn't look good today offensively. No. They got him three times. Wilson got him, Sawyer got him. No, they had two sacks. So it's a one and a half, okay, Murphy the second guy to Louis and Jake Reed. I was surprised, don't you, that the Steelers defense gave up 17 points in the fourth quarter at home. Yeah, that bottom fell out in the first three quarters.
Starting point is 00:49:46 Yeah, they were good. I mean, you know, you talk about 14 points. And somebody would have told you, the Steelers' defense is going to give up 17 in the fourth quarter. I know nobody would have taken that bad. No, absolutely not. But it happens, and it happened. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:01 Hey, Kenneth Walker the third, boy, he's nice. Oh, yeah. Oh, he'd be running. Now 13 for a buck 05, and the Steelers don't let you run the football. So I was very surprised by that, how well the Seattle Seahawks ran the football on him. Charbonneau, he ran the ball.
Starting point is 00:50:18 I mean, what, 15 for 10 yards? He didn't really. But they had 29 rushes, Ocho, for 117 yards of the touchdown. So now I can keep you honest. I can keep you honest. You just can't pin your ears back because I crease you. But Sam Darnel, he just got, I just don't know, he got away with those two I&Ts, but you got to be careful, man.
Starting point is 00:50:45 You got to be careful turning that ball over, man. You pay double for those as the season progresses. and the games mean more and magnify more. Like every game is important, but you know, you start playing division opponents and you start, you know, you got to be careful turning the ball over like that. Because they got no points out of them turn over, though.
Starting point is 00:51:04 The young Aaron Rogers, man, he's getting you 10 or 14 out of that. Easy. I'm giving you, give me, I'm getting 10 or 14 out of that every time. And it makes a difference in the game. Oh, Joe, the Cowboys beat the Giants in OT. Brandon Aubrey kicked a 64-yard field goal if time expired, and then he kicked a 46-yard field goal to win the ball game, 40 to 37. C.D. Lamb had 112 yards on nine catches.
Starting point is 00:51:39 George Pickens, five catches, 68 yards, and a touchdown to put Dallas up by four with 52 seconds of regulation. But Russ came back, found. member league neighbors over the top yeah oh my goodness i hate what this hey that was that was a great game that cowboy giant's game might might have been might have been the best game of the day wasn't a question about it was the best game of the day oh that was they was nice they were going back and forth oh yeah um giant's defense let them down you yeah yeah i mean listen it the giant defense played well most of the day outside that that one play was stretch left
Starting point is 00:52:28 and he bounced yeah you got it wrapped up and you and you let yeah you let givante i mean it's third and 14 and you let him pick up yeah you can't do that you got it wrapped up you got him stopped at the line and somehow you let him you let him out damn that was a good game Oh, it was a very good game. As a Giants fan, you got to be optimistic the way they look today, especially with Russ at the helm. They didn't look as bad as they did. Previous week and Malik neighbors doing what he got to do.
Starting point is 00:53:03 I just, the running game, running game was decent. Yeah, basically four yards of carry. You can live with that. The thing is, Ocho, is that the turnover. And I know, do you guys? He had the pressure. That's not fair. Ocho.
Starting point is 00:53:20 You can't throw it down the middle of the field. Oh, no. He was trying to throw to the corner, but he got hit. Man. I mean, he had an outstanding day. He was dealing 30 or 41, 453 touchdowns. That was 38 of 52, 361, two touchdowns, one interception. A lot of offense, a lot of, you know, 500 yards from the Giants.
Starting point is 00:53:44 almost 500 yards for the Cowboys. But it just moments, it come down to making plays. I mean, Malik neighbors, $9.4.67, two tubs. Wondell Robinson, eight for buck 42. One tub. Darius Slayton, two for 61. I mean, guys are playing well. C.D. Lamb, nine for a buck, 12.
Starting point is 00:54:08 Jake Ferguson, nine for 78. George Figgins, five for 68. Cavante Turpin, four 47. Man, if they let another defender cross their face, I mean, the offense. Oh, Joe. On what route? What route?
Starting point is 00:54:25 You don't let nobody inside of you on the goal line. That's the easiest throw. Yeah. I mean, dude, I'm like, dude, I was like, shh. I was like, I just want to be a fly on the wall because I would love to hear what the deep, with the coordinator and the position coach are teaching these guys. because it seemed like they just let guys just willy-nilly just go cross their face.
Starting point is 00:54:50 I'm not letting you cross my face. It's just like an offensive player, Ocho. You never let a defensive player cross your face. So as a defender, the offensive player is not trying to let you cross his face. As a defender, why would you let the officer player cross your face? I don't know. I don't know, Ocho. But give the Cowboys credit because these are games that we've seen the Cowboys
Starting point is 00:55:14 fade in. Do you have the lead, Ocho? And then, and then guess what? And in three plays, they're back in the end zone and they got the lead. But you have to give Aubrey credit. 64 yards, Ocho. That ball looked like it to have been good from 74. Yeah, it is. He said, he said, obviously, Arbery having a soccer background as well, it's one thing to be able to kick far, but to be able to kick far and be accurate is the issue. That's the problem. Because the further out you go, with the goalpost being as narrow as they are, is being accurate from that far out and being able to control the trajectory of the ball and where you want it to go.
Starting point is 00:55:56 And he's really, really good at that. And I know because he has a soccer background, he's that much more confident in doing so. Well, I'm pretty sure all of you guys got soccer backgrounds. There are no more straight on kickers anymore. There used to be, you know, the soccer, you know, the straight on, the square, the square toke guys. I mean, I don't think I've seen who was that. The last guy was probably Mark Mosley,
Starting point is 00:56:20 but he was gone before. I don't think I was in the league when I got there. He might. I think he retired. I don't think I played against Mosley. I don't. But he's the only kicker to win the MVP. 1982, if I'm not mistaken.
Starting point is 00:56:35 Kicker, win the MVP of the NFL, Ocho. Yeah. Dang. Yeah, but I, like, This is, like I said, Ocho, this is the type of game that the Cowboys would normally lose. Have a lead and then give it up late in the ball game. And then Dack would either farm a little or strip sack or something like that. Dack did a heck of a job of getting out of harm's way too because they had him sack one time and he got him out of that.
Starting point is 00:56:57 But you see, Jared said after the game that they signed your Davian clown. After you see Russell Wilson grow for 450 yards on you, yeah, you better go get somebody. You need some pressure. Yeah. And Aubrey, like I said, and the thing is, Ocho, he just, he kicks so effortless. and the ball just jumps off his foot. I mean, he don't try to kill it. I mean, it's the same swing
Starting point is 00:57:16 whether he's kicking a PAT or he's kicking the ball 60 plus yards. It's the same, it's the same motion. It's the same rhythm. And it was unbelievable. The Cowboys, who the Cowboys play next? One in one, the Giants fall to O and two. The Giants welcome in Kansas City
Starting point is 00:57:36 on Sunday night, don't they? Oh, that's going to be a good one. Wait, what are they planning? In Kansas City or in New York? Oh, that's going to be a good one. That's going to be a good one. Kansas City. Cabots played the Bears in Chicago or Dallas.
Starting point is 00:58:00 There ain't much going on there. Ocho, first drive, jazz left tackle, James Hudson. 15-yard penalty. five-yard false start 15-yard penalty five-yard false start hustler was bitch the following drive and got into it on the sideline with brian dayball we just saw last week malik neighbors bro i just want you to know what do you want them to do on the first possession of the game you give up 15 yards 20 yards, 35 yards, 40 yards, impelities. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:41 So I just try to figure out what does he want, what do you want the coaches to do? I don't think he understands that that affects the game in the long run. It affects the game in the long run. Every play counts. Every play matters, even in the beginning of the game. You don't know what could have happened on that first drive if he didn't kill it. He had the decision.
Starting point is 00:59:03 that's that's all that's all i don't i don't i don't think players understand every play counts every single one now that me there might be one or two that change the game itself two and in that first drive one of those plays that would have changed that game it could have been right there where you keep jumping off sides or you're having you're costing your team you're costing your team which why are you getting into it with the coach Yeah, we got, we got to bench you. They did that in literally, you know. When you mess up consistently over and over, you got to go sit down.
Starting point is 00:59:42 You're costing us. Because at the end of the day, you either coach it or you condoning it. Now, which one is it, Ocho? Are you coaching this type of behavior or you condoning this type of behavior? With either case, you're wrong. And I wish this young, I wish this, and like Ocho, sometimes you're so close to a situation, you don't see it or you don't understand it. But I hope he got an opportunity to sit back and look at his action.
Starting point is 01:00:05 And sometimes it becomes, when you become, you can become reflective, when you can reflect like, damn, that wasn't the coach fault. That's on me. It's on me. It's on me. Guys, I'm sorry. He should apologize to the team. The question that I have is that I've seen back to back weeks,
Starting point is 01:00:24 I've seen people blowing up at the coach. That's not a good sign, Ocho. No, not at all, not at all. I'm going to tell you what the people upstairs that paid that pay day ball is he losing his team does he have control of this team can he coach this team those are the questions that they're asking right but I don't look at like I said I hadn't had a whole lot of head coaches Ocho but I don't remember I don't remember by doing that the Dan Reed I don't remember anybody doing that Mike Shanahan I don't remember that doing that the way Phillips I'm just like Brian I don't know God I don't know like I'm oh Joe you know what you know what but I guess this to be expected. I'm old school. I've been, I'm so far removed for it. I'm removed from it.
Starting point is 01:01:10 I guess this is the modern day behavior. This is how guys, instead of accepting accountability, that you know what, I messed up. I got the holding call. I got the false start. It's somebody else's fault. I guess that's what we are right now. So I guess this is why I couldn't coach guys.
Starting point is 01:01:27 I couldn't. I couldn't. I could. Yeah. Listen, it's a different era. football is a different era of player in general. The money is different that they are making. The funny thing about it, it's okay to make the sense.
Starting point is 01:01:42 Mistakes are going to happen. The point of practicing is to practice to get it perfect and do it as many times as you can the right way. Our mistake can happen, yes. But for them to happen back to back, the back to back and you cost your team affecting your team, now you got to sit down. You got to sit down. so i'm not i'm not even i'm not even sure how you even argue the fact but i mean i don't know
Starting point is 01:02:10 i don't know i that that was a left tackle too huh yeah yeah that's the money position so yeah i don't i don't like i said i don't know now is that guys like i said oh cho you know in in today's the way it is now but i think guys look in this situation I just don't know, you know, and I understand that Brian Davey was going to catch flag because he's the head coach and he kind of bowed up. But where are the leaders? Where are your offensive leaders? Where are your leaders of the team?
Starting point is 01:02:44 Brian Burns? But they, they was, they were, they was, oh, they were right there on the sideline. Who? Mr. Wilson. James. James. You just cost us 100 yards impurities. And so what?
Starting point is 01:03:00 You wanted to just leave you in there, just let you. You let just keep going. They might have put him back in the game. But I can't after this kind of behavior, which I can't. I can't. Because the one thing I refuse to do is to reinforce negative behavior. If your child acts up and you give them ice cream or cookie, what will they continue to do?
Starting point is 01:03:25 You're reinforcing negative behavior. I'll never reinforce negative behavior. I refuse to. And I don't think he understand how important he is too. But you might be the most the most important officer of player for the offense to even go,
Starting point is 01:03:42 to even be able to execute plays. Boy, you got Russell Wilson's blindside. What are you doing? And if you can't take accountability for going off sides and having holding penalties, man, go sit your head down somewhere, man. You're costing.
Starting point is 01:03:56 He got an unnecessary roughness penalty. Then he got a false start penalty. Then he got another unnecessary unnecessary roughness pill to me. And then he got a five-yard pill. Then he got another false start. No. He did that and then he got mad.
Starting point is 01:04:11 Come on, come on, sit over here with me real quick. Come on, come on, think about this real quick. Get your mind together. Get your mind together and we'll put you back in. But now you want to boy up at the head coach. After you're messing up, you costing us, man, sit your head down, man. But you know what? You can't, you can't sit him down too long because obviously he's your start
Starting point is 01:04:31 left tackle he just started left tackle for a reason and your star left tackle is really the money position so you're paying him but whatever you're paying him so you got no choice but the playing sometimes ocho you have to discipline a player uh-huh because other players are watching and if and and and and you don't want the other players to think that's acceptable yeah um i've always i've always tried to like when i played ocho i've always tried to like stay within myself yeah there were times i was seating absolutely yeah but i know i know i know guys are watching me and i know one day i'm going to move on and i'm not going to be there and they're going to be in my position where they're going to be one of the better players and i never wanted players to think that was okay
Starting point is 01:05:30 There's a time and a place for everything. Yeah, the quarterback messed up. Yeah, guys ran wrong routes. Just pull them to the side. And we didn't have nearly the cameras that they got now, Ocho, you can't do nothing. You can't say it. I mean, even you're talking to somebody, I wonder what they're saying. I wonder what they're talking.
Starting point is 01:05:49 Or you might have somebody got the boom, got the, got the, the mic, the big round bubble and picking up all the audio. Because think about you, because you heard what Chris Jones said. That's on the field, Ocho. and they picked that up. So I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just on the plane ride home. And, and, and, and, and on the plane ride, oh, Joe, when he was on the sideline, hopefully on that long plane ride home to New York, he's sitting there and he's having a conversation with himself like, you know what, I need to be better. I need to handle my emotions better. So I don't put my team in harm's way. Because at the end of the day, when you play a team sport,
Starting point is 01:06:30 your behavior is reflective on the team. It ain't just you. John McIroo can blow up and get all he want to, but guess what, Joe, he's playing singles. A golfer can get man and break his club. That's your club. Hell, that's one less club in your bag. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:47 And I know one thing is to blow up like that, understanding that you're not even a starter. he's not even a starter and I'm surprised somebody ain't say and see what you're doing right now the mistakes you make it right now is why you're not the starting left tackle anyway
Starting point is 01:07:09 which is why you're coming off the bench and the only reason you end the game is because the starter injured hurt I'm not sure what's wrong with Andrew Thomas but here's the thing now you see why that's what I if I was their ball I would have told him now you see why your ass ain't started
Starting point is 01:07:26 You better be careful because you're not starting that type of behavior to get you cut. Hey, they, they show, they should, they show you that dough faster, faster than you could. All right. Andrew, Andrew Thomas is out with Liz Frank. Do they expect him, they expect him back at some point, right? Because he had it last year. He didn't just do it. yeah so he's he's trying to come back and that's that's that's a tough injury for a tackle
Starting point is 01:08:05 because you know everything everything's on your toes you got to push off your toes you got a kick yeah everything so I hate that like I said I don't know Brian Dave off for I don't know Brian Dave off from a can of paint I just know what higher up thinks when they see this type of behavior and they see it reoccurring yeah Mm-hmm. Well, the hard part is, is the season's already started. So there's really nobody else to bring in, and you have to rely on him no matter what.
Starting point is 01:08:35 Oh, yeah, for sure. Because anybody that's available, they're available for a reason. Yeah, but, hey, you see my view? And you see what's over my shoulder? You know what that is? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jerry announced after the game, the Cowboys have signed Edge Rush, Jadabian Clowny.
Starting point is 01:08:53 Oh, Cho, how much will that help the defense? They did say Russ three times today. Yeah. Got him. Clark, Kenny Clark got him once. Houston got him once. Man, what other sack come from? Am I blind or something?
Starting point is 01:09:13 I see Kenny Clark got one. Hudson got, Houston got one. But they said he got three sacks. What other one? Who got the other sack? Am I missing something? Yeah. Maybe my eyes are bad.
Starting point is 01:09:37 I just, maybe, baby. Hey, but the addition to Javion. Jadabian. Jadavian, it's going to be good. He's destructive. He has a motor. He's going to get after the quarterback. He's, he's okay.
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