Club Shay Shay - BEST OF NFL Week 5 Part 2: Patriots SHOCK Bills + Ravens season COOKED?!

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson deliver the best of NFL Week 5 reactions! Unc & Ocho break down: Drake Maye's performance versus the Bills, Texans dominating the Ravens, Jaguars stunning the Chiefs and much more 0:00 - Patriots vs Bills 9:52 - Cowboys vs Jets 23:37 - Ravens vs Texans 36:05- - Chiefs vs Jaguars (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. The Patriot Ocho very, Very, very interesting game. Very good game. Man, that was a barn burner. The Patriots go to Buffalo and they win. Drake May, 22 or 30, 273. He didn't have a touchdown.

He didn't have an interception, a clean game. He was sacked four times, but, man, Stefan Diggs gets his revenge. He played out of his mind. Ten catches for a buck 46. Josh Allen, 22 or 31, 253, two touchdowns, one interception. Dalton Kincaid led them with six catches for a buck o'8, but I thought the Patriots played unbelievable and they won

and they deserved to win this game. There are no more unbeaten. This was the last of the unbeatens and thanks to the New England Patriots. They go into Buffalo and come away with a hard fought road division win, Ocho. We'll see how this thing shapes up as we move forward down the line. But, hey, New England has to be proud of what they were able to do on the road. What did you like about what you saw from the Patriots? Listen, what I like from the Patriots would Drake make everything.

Can you hear me on? Oh, you got to, hey, oh, you got to charge some things up, baby. Let me know you can hit me. There we go. Yeah, I can hear you now. Can you hit me? I'll get nothing. We got time.

Chat, can you hear me, chat? No, he's my... If I'm gonna dream. Chat, can you hear me? Yeah, well, you're good. That was on my end, Ocho. Okay, okay, okay. You're good, you good, you good.

Let me know you're ready. I'm good. Go ahead. Oh, so what I like from the Patriots was a quarterback play. Yep. Quarterback played. Because if you look around the league, right, I'm going to get back to the page. If you look around the league, all the teams that have a chance in winning have a quarterback, they have consistent play at the position.

There's a reason if you watch all the games today, including tonight's game, to have a chance to win and compete. You need a quarterback. That's it. Drake made a phenomenal game. It seemed like the offense. basically was filtered in this game through Stefan Diggs, showing

that he's still capable of playing, he's still capable of making plays, and he showed out the night. Drake May had a clean, had a very clean game. Buffalo, obviously, some unfortunate turnovers. The Patriots had turnovers as well. What's

Stevens' first name? Romandre. Yeah, yeah. He had some costly turnovers, but it didn't affect him when it comes it didn't affect them when it come to, you know, winning the game. It could have been costly. Outside of that, the Patriots played a really, really good game, especially on defense as well.

They did a great job of containing Josh and containing those receivers. Wherever they got, wherever they caught the ball at, they made sure they didn't do a great, get run after the catch. I think Shakura got away like one time. But you're right, Ocho, when you have a quarterback, when you have a calming, I mean, you look at the way Drake may play. in a hostile environment against a division rival. He was 22 or 30, 273.

Although he didn't throw a touchdown, he didn't turn the ball over. He didn't put the ball in harm's way. The last thing that you can do is turn the ball over. Now, it negated, I mean, you mentioned Remandre Stevenson. He turned the ball over, but when you get three turnibles, when you force three, now you greatly increase your chances of winning because you offset, now you're plus two. It could have been plus three, but you're plus two in the turnover battle.

Buffalo did not, you know, I wasn't surprised that James Cook couldn't get going because the, the Patriots are really good against the run. I'm very good. Defensive-minded head coach, he was a great, he was a, look, I played against Brable. Yeah. And he was solid, Ocho. If he was supposed to be in the flat, he had his ass in the flat. If he was supposed to be in the hook, he was going to be in the hook.

If his job was to set the edge, you weren't going to hook him. So, and he coaches. He asked his players to be smart. He asked his players to be disciplined, and you can see it coming through. They played really well. The Patriots are going to be, look. I thought the Patriots would be good if they got a head coach.

Yes, sir. Because that quarterback, he has it. Great potential. But brave, but brable, man. And they got a guy, a number one receiver in Stefan Diggs that made every play that needed to be made tonight. They had him for a sack. He was just trying to throw the ball away.

And somehow he gets into Diggs. And Diggs picks up four. 10 yards. And that was the start. Sometimes, in a situation, too many to drill like that. Yes, sir. That's the start you need. You need that one positive play to start, the drive, to kick it off. They're like, you know what? And it might,

we're going to win this game, man. That ain't supposed to happen like that. Not at all. And they got it going from there. But you have to be impressed with what you saw from the Patriots. Now, hell, I'm thinking about, how do you all lose two games when y'all play like this? Yeah, most definitely. And the funny thing about it is I like the jump. The jump

that Drake May is made from year one to year two. And having games like this is only going to continue to build his confidence. And when you have games like this, you have an officer coordinator like Josh Daniels, and you're able to make some of the throws you made the night. To have a clean game like this, he can add more to your plate. He can add more to your plate and you can do more offensively. So the Patriots are going to be held to deal with for the foreseeable future,

as long as Drake may continue to stay upright and stay healthy. And you have players like... As long as they don't turn the ball over, they're going to be all right. They're going to be alright. Because at the end of the day is still about turnovers. Yes, most definitely, most definitely.

We're just leaving through the computer. You just purchase some new ones. I don't know what's going on with those. Ocho, you got me? Yeah, I got you, baby. I'm here. I'm here. Yeah, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my.

My AirPods shot, so I'm coming through the computer right now. You're good. I'm coming through the computer, too. You good? No, you look, Buffalo, I don't look. Yeah, you're turning the ball over. Yeah. They had three, right?

Three, Josh Fumble. He threw a pick. Jones made a great jump on the ball. But when you, bro, when you, and what Josh had done, say, the last 15, 16 games, he's done a great. great job and taking care of football. You've been clean, huh?

You've been real clean. And that's the way, because these teams, it's hard for you to turn the ball over and win in today's game. Yes. Because for the most part, you're going up against a team that got a quarterback that I'm not saying Drake May, obviously Drake May is not on the level of Josh Allen, but he can play well enough if you give them, let them be plus two. And you can't put him in harm's way. You're going to catch hell beating them.

You know what the good thing is? When you have a quarterback like Josh Allen, he's one of the few quarterbacks that can have a three turnover game and still overcome it. Overcome it, yes. You can still overcome it because of how well that team is running some of the plays that he can make, not only with his arm, but hell, he can make it with his legs too.

Yes. They did a great job of neutralizing his legs tonight, Ocho. He did have a long of 19, but 9 for 53. It really didn't hurt him. They did a great job of containing him. He didn't beat him. They didn't give up the big chunky runs. to James Cook, but I thought the Patriots, they deserve to win this game.

They did a great job getting the ball, forcing Buffalo to settle for the field goal and not getting in the end zone and needing a touchdown in order to win the ball game. So give their defense credit because when they needed to bow their back and they did, they held them to what, made them kick, what, two field goals? Yeah, two field goals that could have easily, you know, turning the touchdown because that's what the bills normally do when they get down there because josh is so dynamic with his legs and his arm they put you they put you under the gun but the patriots today was able to neutralize that's like nah bro no we're not we're not we're not going for that today and you know no bills get a very

tough victory on the road against a division opponent by the score of 20 23 20 they basically walk it off he was 10 seconds left and so unless something unforeseen were to happen they weren't going to win this game. So you know what Patriots. Congratulations. They got people's attention, Ocho. Yeah, absolutely. And you know what else I like about Drake May 2? What's the one thing? The one thing a defense tried to do to rattle

a young quarterback, especially only in his second year. You bring pressure. You bring pressure. And every time they bought pressure, he found a way to beat every time. Even though he was getting flushed out the pocket because there was always a man that was free

that was coming, he still found a way to make plate. And if there wasn't anything there, he didn't put the ball in harm's way. Oh, yeah. They, um, but Buffalo goes to five, four and one. The Patriots move up to three and two. See how this thing shapes out. I still believe Buffalo is the class of that division. Of course. But it probably is not going to be as easily as we previously thought. No. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on

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Cowboys, go to the Meadowlands. I don't know if they call it the MetLife Stadium. That's what they call it. And they win. They mollywap, the Jets, 37-22, the 2-2-1, not Cowboys. Jets are 0 and 5. Dak Prescott was sensational. 18 of 29, 237, four touchdowns, no intercessions.

Javante Williams, 16 carries, a buck 35. He was running the football. The Cowboys were missing four starters on the offensive line, and by the time the first half ended, the Cowboys had a 100-yard rush in Giovante Williams and a 100-yard receiver in Ryan, Florida. and Dak Prescott had two touchdown passes to his tight end, Jake Ferguson. Justin Fields was 32 or 46, 283, two touchdowns.

His offensive line isn't very good. Their defense isn't very good. I thought their defense would be better than what is shown thus far. They're not. And Breast Hall had 14 carries for a buck 13, no joke. And he was told that thing. He had 244 yards. Mm-hmm.

He was told that. And they got blown out. Yeah. But listen, that goddamn Javonte Williams, Javonte Williams with him running it like that it opens up everything else for that he looks like the Carolina Javante Williams

you remember when he came out on Cho how he ran the football he was coming back off of knee surgery so it needed to get one year removed after that knee surgery now he looks like the guy hey he was toting that thing and let's totally he was carrying it

not only is he toting it listen you come up there you come up there to the party he gonna dish it he gonna dish it oh yeah hey that goddamn that looked good boy

oh he's thorned today he was dealing hey that goddamn that looked good Piggins out Ferguson out there getting jigged I like I like Ferguson

I've always liked Ferguson he even as a rookie Ocho you know what annoys me with DBs when you get up there and press coverage and you open the door

oh yeah yeah yeah yeah if you're gonna get in press coverage put your hands on the guy if you're not back your ass off. Wait, was it bail technique? It was sauce.

No, it wasn't bail. No, he was, he was just, just open the door. Right. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, he thought, he thought, he thought, he were going to run something short, I bet. If you open the door, my grand, granny used to say all the time, boy, open the door, flies come in the house. Every time.

Okay. You open, you open, you up in press coverage? Yeah. But you got to realize, if you open the gate, the guy got to run and start. Now, you have to. to turn and run. Yeah, you do. You're not catching up

with these top flight receivers. Look, I don't like to be the bear of bad news. But Salt's Garden hadn't been the same since his rookie year. If we being all the way honest, if we being 1,000% honest, right, been the same. Since they started calling all that clutching and holding,

they let him get away with his rookie season. Yeah, y'all know it. Watch the tape. Watch it. He ain't the same. He's the highest paid. Congratulations, but ain't no way I'm putting him up there with Stingley. I'm putting him up there with Sartan.

Nah. I mean, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, listen. Now, I understand he might get the, he might get the call. He might get the holding calls. He might, you know, get beat some time. But Young Bull is paid significantly because he showed on film he's worth what he's being. He ain't been the same since a rookie year. Okay, okay.

Watch him. Watch the tape. Look at it. He ain't been the same. He's not. He's not. He, and he ain't even close, he ain't even close to Sertan.

We, they need to stop that discussion. That's, that's two totally different bodies of work. Stingley? Stangley. They're by themselves, man. They by themselves. I mean, I just be all the way 1,000 with Joe, Joe. And chat, Jets fans, if you being honest,

y'all watched him over the last three, four years. He ain't been the same since a rookie year because they call all that clutching and holding that he was getting away with. They call it now. Not. Damn. And you do understand defensive back

is the harder position to play on the field, huh? Yes, I do. Yes. Okay, okay, okay. Oh, Joe, he makes $30 million a year. Yeah. Yeah. Guess what?

It was hard when he was a rookie. He was defensive rookie of the year. Yeah. we don't we don't do that hey as you as you make as you make more more as expected don't you don't get to still look you don't get to stay the same you're like well you know hey no you're supposed you're supposed to try to elevate I'm going to show everybody why they gave me this money yes they paid you for that defensive player the year I mean defensive rookie at year they paid you for that all pro they're paying you now because they said we believe moving forward

he's going to be better than what he was to make us give him this money. So we're going to be getting him out of bargain. He's not playing well. And it's okay to say that. Somehow we've gotten away from like, if a guy's not playing well and he's a good player, it's okay to say, you're not playing well, Chad. Chad, he's not.

And it could be a receiver, it could be a running back, it could be a quarterback. I'm not taking, because somebody's not playing away currency, the thing is, Ocho, a lot of times when you say a player isn't playing well, their fan base or family members or even them think you're trying to discredit what they've already done. Right. I cannot take away that all pro, know what I attempt to.

I can't take away that Pro Bowl, that defensive rookie of the year. Yes. You've got that. But what got to do with how you're playing right now? That's still on your resume. You know what? I would love, I wish I had it had it front of you. See, I'm on the road so I don't have my other computer.

in front of me, look at some of the numbers on how he's played this year. So I would have to do my homework first because I don't watch the Jets significantly. I watch all the games as a whole. You know, watching the TV copy, it doesn't give you a fair way to judge or assess how an individual player is playing until you get to see the numbers. So, I mean, you would know better than me because I haven't been able to watch the Jets outside of Justin Fields and what Justin Fields and Garrett Wilson are doing. So I got to check that out. I got to check that out.

But I know one thing, if you don't pay a player $30 million, I'm just saying you don't pay a player $30 million if he's regressing from his rookie year. So that that's why it's hard. He does not look the same. And I don't think, I don't think anybody that watch, if they're being honest, can look at and say, you know what? Yeah. Sauce is the same guy we saw as a rookie.

He's not. He is not. Jets have employed 19 full-time coaches over six decades. Today, Aaron Glenn became the first to start his tenure with five straight losses. Coach that is known for his defense, the Jets are on pace to allow the most points in franchise history. Glenn states that he has no plans of taking over play calling from D.C. Steve Wilkes. Ocho, we've seen very few black coaches get time to figure things out.

Do you believe? because we saw Steve Wilkes in Arizona. Arizona. We saw last year coach in New England. Do you believe that he's going to get an opportunity to figure this thing out? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It's his first year.

And obviously one of the- It was Steve Wilkes first year. Yeah. It was what was the coach in New England last year? Gerard Mayo. Gerard Mayo. Right. It was this first year.

Yeah. But obviously, you know, they want, they want, they want, they want, they want, they want for able. Okay. So what if, what, so what, so what is, what if another coach is out there? Hmm. You say they want it variable. Yeah.

Okay. What if they want somebody else and he's available? I don't know. I don't know. And you know, if any, if anything, you would think the Jets would have a head start and have success on the defensive side of the ball. Because that's what, that's, that's, that's, that was their identity. that's always been their identity.

The defense is really good. Their defense is really good. I'm not sure what's going on now, but if there's one thing you probably thought you wouldn't have to worry about when it came to football season or this season starting, is the Jets' defense.

Yep. Just focus on the offense and hoping Justin Fields. Justin Fields is your answer for the foresee of the future. Yeah, the Jets had us fool to Ocho, because we looked at, remember when they had Zach Wilson, and they said, ooh, and I'm saying, and I'm saying, that's what made them go out

and get there and Roger. I say now, but you say you're under the premise that the defense is going to be just as good, if not better. Because if they have any slippage, the quarterback's not going to be able to overcome that. That defense hadn't been the same since you got to go back, Zach Wilson, you've got to go way, way back to talk about that defense. Don't nobody fear that defense now? No. They don't. Justin Fields constantly running for his life, sack five times for 49 yards.

They're a mess. Yeah. They are. And you know, another thing, too, I'm not an officer coordinator, Unk, but most of the time you have officer lines, I think about, I think about the Bengals, I think about the Jets, I think about other quarterbacks that are in situations where the officer lines aren't that good. I don't understand for the life of me, if you know, if you know the officer's life,

not good, put your quarterback under settle and just run quick game. Just run quick game. I don't understand why. What happened though? They fell behind so quick. They couldn't. They took about it. Just think about it.

Brief Hall had 14 carers for a buck 13. But you're behind. I mean, that was behind. I mean, the score was 23, the score was 233 at the half. The score was 30 to 6 at the end of the third quarter. How the hell are we going to run the ball, Locho? We down 233 at the half. We down 30 to 6 in the third quarter.

Ain't no more running. You ain't got no choice. Receivers, run your ass and get open. That's the running you do it. The running backs, I'm sorry. You blocking or you chipping your way out. It is what it is. Yeah.

And, you know, it's funny. But see, maybe the bills are built a little different. A high percentage of the time, anytime Josh Allen is in shotgun on, it's a pass. Yes. A high percentage of the time, anytime John is out of the center, it's a run. Yes. Every so often, he'll be in shotgun. You're trying to throw you off.

Yeah. And there's definitely a tail to you. But I don't know. I don't know. It's still very early in the season, but now that we're in week five, everything should be churning. Offenses should be churning.

You should be hitting your stride. You should be hitting your rhythm at this point. Defenses should be ahead of the eight ball because all you've got to do is read and react. That's it. And sometimes, Ocho, you know, you have these expectations of defense, but you don't really know,

you hope, you think, that team, because every year we have a team that comes up, our springs up out of nowhere. Yeah. It's the playoffs. We have an offense that,

like, damn, I didn't know they had this in them or we have a defense. And then we have teams that we expect take a step back, be an offensively defense or a team in totality. Right.

I thought the Jets would be better. They got to do better than this, son. Hey, but, um, were you 0 and 5? You know how difficult it is to climb out of a hole? Oh, you didn't, oh, Cho. You do realize in order to be five, you'd have to win five straight.

Straight, yeah. Five straight. What's the likelihood? Hell, they can't win one in a row. How the hell they're going to win five in a row? And it doesn't get any easier. And what's the schedule? What's the Jets next five game?

They are. They got, so guess what? They go to Denver at Broncos. You know what's going to happen? They got, okay, they're home to the Broncos. They're going to beat y'all. They're going to beat y'all. Oh, they got y'all on the schedule.

Who? Jets. They plan in Cincinnati. They plan in Cincinnati. Okay, they got Broncos, Panthers, bring Bengals, Browns. Ooh, that's tough. That's tough.

They might be old. They might be O and two, O and A. We know one thing. The Broncos can get out of your damn quarterback. Absolutely. As Jalen Hurts. Mm-hmm. Well, and listen, you got you, the one thing you do have for

Jalen Hurd, I'm talking about Jailen Hurts, but Justin Fields is he can run. He can move. Well, they don't give him a chance to move. Because by the time he get the snap, somebody, if it's somebody on him. In his face, yeah. Yep. Damn. Well, you want to do it.

everything you can and start fast, but a hole, a hole. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. Digging out of a hole. Listen, 0 and 5 in New York? Yep. Man, please. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down. Unlock Elite Gaming Tech at Lenovo.com.

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What's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here And I'm Bucky Brooks On Move the Sticks We take you inside the game From scouting reports and player development To team building philosophies Coaching Trans and how front offices

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Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. No, because when you talked about the Bengals, you didn't say beat up. You just said, lost to the Bengals. Just say the Houston Texans dismantled the Ravens.

Don't this. Don't get up. You're going to let me finish the reader, though. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Finish, finish it. Don't try to solve it. Baltimore down to a shocking

what and four record. The Texas scored six touchdowns in four games. It scored five today. The 44 points is the most by team in a home game in the John Harbaugh 18 season era.

The Ravens are on pace 35.4 points per game to shatter the Panthers 24 NFL record. Most points allowed 534. John Harbar said, John Harbaugh said after the 34 point loss

that Zach Orr will remain the defensive coordinator. I don't think that's the answer. We have to go to work is what we need to do. We need to stick together is what we need to do. We need to find ourselves. And that has to do with coaches, players working together. Absolutely. Well, listen, I don't want you to say foot or ball.

With that Ravens helmet, go get that Ravens Helper for me. Go get that. Is it a closet? Huh? Is it a closet? closet. That's exactly where it belonged. Trapped in the closet. Y'all was abysmal today. Y'all were horrible today. Y'all were horrible offensively.

Y'all were horrible. They were horrible on all sides of the ball. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. C.J. Stroud, this was the best C.J. Stroudd's look. This is rookie year. I was just going to say that. 23 or 27. 244 yards. Four touchdowns, no interception. He was sacked twice. He was had a 99.9 QBR. They ran the ball 33 times for a buck 67. Nico Collins had a touchdown.

Hutchison had two touchdown. Noel had a touchdown. Cooper Rush. I don't know who. Look, we don't need to talk about this, but we know Cooper Rush is not the answer. If Cooper Rush is the answer, I need to know the question that you're asking.

Oh, anyway, he was 14 or 20, 179. Three interceptions sack once. Derek Henry had 15 rushes. 33 yards and a touchdown. Keon Mitchell had three for eight yards. Justice Hill had one for three yards. Zay Flowers had five catches for 72 yards. DeHawk, two for 46.

Wait a minute. How many intercepted did Cooper Rush have? Three. Three? How many intercepted did Jake Brown and have? Three. Okay. So that means that means they score a 44.

on y'all they ain't scored 44 on us they didn't took a knee on the 10 yard line what they took a knee on the 10 yard line your coached you didn't know y'all coached you didn't know you couldn't punt the ball y'all punt the ball and we didn't land in the landing area and so they got the ball down to the 10 yard line it could have scored again on you he scored 44 on your team 44 that's not your team that's not your team

they scored 44 on your team oh okay I thought you said that was your team Listen, you, you're talking with a little too much volume and basically a point for a team that just lost 44 to 10. Yeah, but look. Yeah. Oh, Cho, you're already down Van O'Neue, Mata Beach, hump, and your safety, Kyle Hamilton. Yeah.

So you're down four starters there. And you're down Lamar Jackson. And your defense was already struggling. So you're down four started on the defensive. side of a defense that's already struggling. Well, wait a minute. It ain't going to get no better. It wasn't going to get no better even if they was healthy. Because

when everybody was healthy, they still wasn't doing nothing. They still wasn't about nothing. Now, the only chance you do have. I'm glad you said that because they remind you of the Bengals, right? Because when Joe Burrow was healthy there last year, they would give up 30 a game. Let me finish. Let me finish. Any chance y'all do have

the only promising hope for Ravens fans and for that organization, even compete well you need eight what you got to have pomp of those finest out there in order to compete well it doesn't look like he broke probably be back

how long he gonna be out I don't know they say one or two weeks one or three weeks it all depends on how how hold on oh Calvin oh I played today he got a sack oh you don't say and it didn't work huh

it ain't help though huh No, they need more. Look, ain't no easy way to say this, but it's not going to get better for the Ravens, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, I know it's not. They're not going to get better. It seems like that lost opening night that they had that lead, it took a lot out of them. You hate to say one game, Ocho, but you're in this situation. Remember, it had them on the ropes last year in the playoff game, and you lose that one in heartbreaking fashion.

You had a big lead in the game starting, what was that Sunday night, and you lose that one. And they really never got their footing back after that. Yeah, what's Baltimore? Give me Baltimore's next five games, Ash. It doesn't look like it's going to get any better. Oh, it's not. It's definitely not.

It's going to get better for us before it get better for y'all. I could tell you that. I could tell you that. And I say that in a respectful manner as someone who loves the Ravens. Rams. They got the Rams next. That's a loss. Bears. That's a loss. Vikings.

Dolphins. Oh, dolphins. That's a win. They got the dolphins. That's a win. Okay. I might be Vikings. Them browns. Oh, they're going to beat the dolphins. Everybody beat the dolphins. So y'all, y'all got, y'all going to. Oh, why are you talking? Your dolphins got crushed. They did? Carolina beat them. Well, the scope of 2724.

You're talking about crushed. They won't about a lead. Huh? Y'all would lead. I know, but, well, you say we got crushed. We can get crushed. And the Panthers have been playing some good ball. Well, you see, Bryce, y'all?

What are you talking about? It ain't like, oh, the Dolphins got crushed. No, the Panthers. Dolphins got beat. Carolina. Carolina put foot foot in them. Hold on. Carolina, the same team that just beat the goddamn,

Atlanta Falcons Was it 38 or 30 zero? We're talking about the Falcons I'm talking about your dolphins You know what show All your teams

The Bengals and the dolphins Combined Oh no I know you're not talking Because we just talked about your Ravens Listen The Bengals don't have

We don't have a quarterback Oh the Ravens got a quarterback Huh The Ravens got a quarterback? Yeah I mean your defense is bad though You talk about the Bengals defense Look at your defense

What you mean Ocho But see your thing was The Dolphins was up 17-0 Oh look at it now Now look at it Now look at it Hey

We was up 17-0 Yeah Yeah And then what happened It seemed like Brex Young did it, we didn't need it to do. No, no, look, the Texans, the way the Texans play, this is the way people expect that CJ to play his second year. Right.

The way he played today. Right. This is the best C.J. Stroud has looked since his rookie season. Um, they ran the ball 33 times for 167 yards, Nick Chubb, 11 for 61. I mean, look, Nick Chubb was really, you know, on it. thing. CJ had one, had one run for 30 yards.

He looked pretty fast to me. I guess he found the fountain of youth over the last couple of days. But anyway, look, this was a total team. They dominated. Ain't no way around it. They dominated the ball game. CJ was poised in the pocket. He only missed two throws.

And then you get the ball, you run the ball for over 150 yards. And then you sack the quarterback. You only sack the quarterback once. But I'm trying to think 179. plus 44 they barely had over two they barely had over two hundred yards total offense

when you go on the road you can go into a team's building and hold them you know 179 yards passing 44 yards rushing yeah you did something good hey what I told you before the season started before the season started

what team did I have high praise for in the watchout for Carolina Bears Bingo that was it. Yeah. I told y'all. I told you. Like you said, there's always a team that comes out of nowhere that surprises us. Right. I told you. I told you. I told you what Carolina was going to do now. Now, I know they beat my team. Yeah, they did. Beat the brakes off of them. Hold on, but we watch all 17. Hey, listen, we're missing the key ingredient. We're missing a key component to our

offense. A game changer. We miss it. He ain't coming back. So get, y'all, they was getting beat with him in the lineup. Ain't that what you just told me? Hold on. Okay. CJ was 23 of 27, 244, 4 touchdowns, zero interceptions. Davis Mills comes in, 2 or 4, 23 yards. So as a team, there was 25 of 31, 25, 25, 454 touchdowns. Like I said, CJ looked very good today. He's very comfortable. You can't, if, I mean, coach, he can't complain. He ain't got nothing to say, say, hey, guys, this is the way I expect us to play. This is how I expect us to look, regardless of who we play, regardless of where we play, this is the level is that we should, this is the level we should hold ourselves to.

Yeah. That's the first thing I'm going to say, regards to who you play. Because remember, everybody's heard it for the Ravens. So looking like you look today, looking like you look today, you're supposed to. When all the stars are, out when all the elite players defensively are out. But you know what, Ocho? Against a team that's healthy. Sometimes what do we seeing teams do, play down to the level of competition? Competition, yeah.

They did. All them guys out, you mentioned Lamar being out. You mentioned those defensive guys being out. Be hell out of them. Because, see, now John Harbaugh can't go in there and lie to them. Guys, we were close. All we need to do is stick together. No, hell now.

I'm a beat you so bad. you're going to start the splinter. You're going to start to point fingers. You're going to start to look at each other. Man, if he studied like he's supposed to, man, I wouldn't. If he give it to the kind of doubt, that's what I try to sew. I'm not playing down to the competition. If your guys are not in there, I'm trying to hang half a hundred on you.

And the funny thing about it is when you have injuries, right? The first thing people do, when you have injuries and things aren't going well, the first thing they say, we need to change a position coach. or we just made a defense coordinator. Well, that's not the problem. That's never been the problem. I don't care who's calling the plays. It's up to those that are on the field to execute whatever it's called.

That's it. Everybody has an assignment. Everybody has a job to do when all 11 people are doing their job collectively the right way, winning their individual battles, every down, down one, down two, down three, everything will work fine. But sometimes it takes having your start is. in there to do it the right way. Right.

When they're out, they back up for a reason. They thirsting for a reason. Boy, we had a bond burn off the game tonight. The Jaguars, the Jaguar, the Jaguar, the Jaguar, the Jaguar, the Jags showed their merit, their grit, being down 14 points, scored 21 unanswered. The Chiefs come back, tied up. But guess what? And they take the lead, um, 28, 24.

but the Jags would not be denied. They go down the field. Big time catches, get a pass interference in the end zone. They score and they take a close ball game, a very entertaining, a very great ball game, 31 to 28. Ocho, let's go with the Jags first. Trevor Lawrence, 18 or 25, 221, one touchdown. But it was his legs tonight.

It seems like to me, Liam Cohen said, look, when they come with pressure and they will bring pressure, a lot on third down. Don't even worry about trying to complete a pass down the field. Right. Get up out of there. And that's what he did tonight. I thought they played well.

And when the defense needed to make a play, they made a play. Take off. Yeah. Hey, the Jags look really good. Obviously, you know, Spags love to bring pressure to cause confusion to get the quarterback to rushes process, obviously resulting in sacks. But listen, Trevor Lawrence said, not today. not on my watch.

He killed him with his legs, obviously known for his arm and his other intangibles, but tonight he used his legs to win. Travis Hunter, they need to get him involved in the offense much more. He saw him make a huge play

that changed the trajectory of that offensive series which led to them scoring. Brian Thomas Jr. played well. Travis Aetian, I know what he did running the ball, but picking up some of the blisses

that he did to be able to allow to allow him to make some of the throws that he made. Hey, play his line. like that, we'll keep a running back on the field all three downs. He played phenomenal football as well. Defensively, the Jag played well as well. So, I mean, it was a really good game.

I thought the turnovers would have heard him because I tweeted it during the game. Every time they turned the ball over, the goddamn Chiefs capitalized on it, especially on the goal line where Trevor Lawrence tried to reach over and Nick Bolton punched it out. He punched it out right away. Listen, defensively, that goddamn, uh, interception, that 99 interception by Lloyd. Flip the game.

That was nice. You have to understand, Ocho. He's following Mahomes' eyes. Mahomes stared at him down. You know, they tried to run a little arrow route, push up, but they ran double arrow because here come juju first and then I think Travis was coming in behind him. So they tried to run double arrow. But the problem is, is that when you look, the linebacker who's inside, he's going to

naturally drift that way. and because, I mean, he hit him right in his breadbasket. He breaks a tackle. He sidesteps from the homes, and now he's off to the races. The guy did a great job of just getting enough of Thornton to throw him off his rhythm because Thornton was coming. Yeah. He would have to call him.

Oh, yeah, for sure, he would have called him. But I think you have to give the Jags a lot of credit. Being down at home, 14 points to that team. And they were playing extremely well. But when they needed to make plays, they made plays at the end. Trevor Lawrence played well. you mentioned ATN, it was his blitz pickup. Yeah, he had 12 carries, 49 yards.

He was averaging, what was that? Basically four yards of carry. But those Bolton went and some of those other guys was coming on the blitz. Chanel Tranquil, he stoned him. I mean, he stoned them. The offensive line did a very good job of protecting. Look, they had a half a sack.

Well, they had, what, two sacks, three sacks? It looked like you got sacked three times. He got sack three times. But I thought they did a great job considering the amount of pressure that Spaggs likes to bring. And you know when he feels threatened, he's going to bring pressure.

They knew that too. But look at those throws at the end. Man, he dropped that one in the bucket to Brian Thomas Jr. Right on the sideline. And then he found the, he found, what's his name? Oh, Joe.

Washington? Yeah, I think it was Washington that ended up catching the two, cutting the outball, but Trevor Lawrence played as well. This is the Trevor Lawrence that they said, okay, when you took him number one overall, this is what they expect him to look like. And he has moments like this.

But then he'll come back and he'll stank up to join. You're like, well, bro, I've seen what you can do. I know what you can do because I've seen it firsthand. What happened? Yeah, the problem is, what we saw tonight from Trevor Lawrence, what we saw the night collectively for the Jaguars, this is not the Jaguars of old.

This is a new team. What we saw tonight is a different type of Jaguars offense. I don't think they beat the Chiefs. I'm not sure it's been a very, very long time since 2009. You know, so normally a team like this, the old Jaguar team, they would have folded. They would have folded like lawn chairs, but they continue to fight despite being down. And they fought their way back. I was really impressed, really impressed.

If we can get this type of quarterback play from Trevor Lawrence consistently, consistently, not just one night, consistently, but they're going to be fine. They're going to be in the hunt. They're going to be in contention every single year if he can continue to play like this. But minimize the goddamn time. He had two tonight and they, you know, and they were able to survive them. I mean, right there at the goal line, he fumbled that one and he threw a pick when they had a lead. So he has to be very, very careful with that.

The Jags past four games have been decided by a total of 18 points. They're three and one in those games, winning three straight. The Jags are now four and one with two home games coming up, the Seahawks and the Rams. Both of those teams have quarterbacks that can throw the football. Both of those teams have receivers that can go get the ball. You look at the Rams. You talk about Pooke and the Coole, you talk about Devante Adams. They can go get it.

We know Seattle. You see Sam Darnel with JSC. Man, they got guys that can go get to football. So would I be surprised if we see both of those games end up something like this, Ocho? No, no, I would not. No, I absolutely would not. but the Jags were very, very impressive than night, and do, do, ball,

y'all should stand up because y'all got to make it of a very good team. Liam Cohen has done an unbelievable job, guiding Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence has always had the ability. From the moment he stepped foot on the field at Clemson, they say this guy in three years, from that point, when he comes out,

he's going to be the number one pick in the draft. He led Clemson to a national championship as a true freshman. Not very many true freshmen can do that. I think the last time it happened, probably was Jamail Holloway, and you had to go way back, way back, Oklahoma, back 85 probably. So for him to do that, and then who did they beat? They beat Alabama, and we know what Alabama represented. And so, and for him to do that, he was very, very impressive.

But for whatever reason, the last couple of years, I don't know if it was injury. Now, I think the first, the first year, you know, Urban Meyer was his coached. I don't think that was the best situation. He wasn't set up for success. in that situation. Right. But now Liam Coen. And we saw what Cohen is done with Baker.

Two years, I mean, two years with Baker, and you see what Baker has become. Now, Baker is still on that, he's still rising, even though Liam left. But we saw what that, what he become under Liam Cohen. So this offense is very quarterback friendly. The guy receiver, they got guys that can go get the ball. I agree with you right now until Travis refined his skill. Look, they don't run him really on nothing of my spots. they're running most spots

and shallow cross hey five yards turn around we throw you the ball make a guy miss take off running the shallow cross and when they throw the ball down the field they're allowing him

to use his athletic ability remember to play what with it last week a couple of weeks ago against San Francisco they threw the dagger he elevates catches it we saw him tonight

in between two that's what so until he refines his route running ability this is what you're going to have to do try to find ways to create get him in space and let him use his athleticism until he understands how to consistently run the route tree.

Because these guys that play DB, they're really good. Yeah, they're very good, very good. But I think Travis Hunter is one of those. He has such raw talent. He's so good, especially with his ball skills, whether it's on the defensive side of the ball or whether it's on the offensive side of the ball. If you can just get the ball in the vicinity, if you can just get in the area so he can make a play on it,

he can coming down with that ball nine times out of 10. And on the Chiefs, I thought Patrick Mahomes, look, he played well tonight, 29 to 41, 318, one touchdown. the very costly interception that led to a night. The one thing that you don't want to have happened, you don't want to give up points on your possession. So in other words, you don't want to have a scooping score. You don't want to have a pick six.

Because now, you know what I'm saying? That's not what you're built to do. Your defense is not on the field. We understand defensively, they're going to score. Look, these teams are really good. So for you to shut a team out, it's probably not going to happen. But the last thing we want to do is give up points while our offense is on the field. Because our defense didn't get a chance,

didn't get a chance to stop him. Patrick Mahomes led him with Russian. He was 6 of 60. Kareem Hunt had 7 for 49. I was up in Czecho. He had 7 for 36, 22 for 158, three touchdowns.

And you see the way they came out. They threw to set up the run. If you look at the first series, the first couple of series, what did they do? Getting the ball out of his hands, quick, guys were making plays.

Quick, quick game. Quick game. But remember, I said this. Yeah. When you don't have a rapport with quarterback right if hollywood brown had a report with his quarterback they win this game patrick mahome patrick mahomes hit him on the shoulder with the ball he still don't know what that is the safety is flat-footed he catched this ball on joe he's coming at the back side

all let me talk about at the end of the game oh yeah but you see there are some guys you were um imagine if you had up and like damn ain't nobody here let me look for this ball He is running the route that they call oblivious. Yeah, that is. Right. To the situation. You got to understand the situation. Travis Kelsey.

You remember Travis Kelsey against Buffalo? He got wide. Patrick Mahomes put the ball on him. They got in field goal range. Range. Hollywood. All you got to do, you see everybody's off. Ocho, the backside safety is flat-footed.

He catches this ball. That's Hollywood Brown. He's coming out the backside. That's a touchdown. He's coming out. Yeah, he could go now. Let's go. He can go.

If anything, because the entire defense was back, he can come out the backside. If he doesn't even make it out the backside, you're still in field go range. You get down, call the timeout. If you go back and look at this, if you tell me you don't think Hollywood Brown is oncho, because the safety, the backside safety,

he's flat-footed. That means Hollywood Brown is going to catch this ball with a running start. He gone. Ain't no way, no safety that's flat footed is going to turn and beat Hollywood Brown to a point. But we talked about this to the other,

remember that I think it was the first game. He tried to do that with a receiver, but he doesn't have the report. Now, that's Tyreek Hill. Ocho, we're having a whole different conversation because they have a report, they have an understanding with each other. Understanding, yeah.

But Mahomes is going to have to get with his guys and say, look, guys, I understand what's called. But if that guy's off you, look for the ball. And obviously, it's all situations. Yes. You understand, obviously, whatever route is called normally. If we're in a regular game, then yes, the route that's called, you run to your depth.

But it's just understanding the situation. If they're backed up, turn your head around right away, get what you can with the ball. Get what you can. Understanding there's only a little bit of time on the clock. You don't even have time to get into your full house. I don't know, like, see, the thing is that I'm not so sure I don't even call a fair catch on that, Ocho, on the kickoff, because guess what happened? You're not going to run it back, and there's a greater chance of you getting a holding call

or a block in the back call than you're running it back. So now instead of starting at the 25, guess where you're going to start at inside your 20? Right. And guess what else you did? You ran time off the clock. Because, see, the ball don't start. The clock don't start until you touch the ball. Now you run.

You take six seconds off. the clock. Now, well, six, seven seconds off the clock. Now you get a block in the back. You took eight seconds off the clock and your 10, 15 yards back further than what you would have been. But those are things that you learn. See, those are things that we talk. I don't know. Look, I can't speak to everybody else. But this is what we talked about in situations like this. Look, if the ball kicked in the end zone, leave it in the end zone. We don't run and running in time. Punt return. Fair catch. We don't want any time to run off the clock.

We don't want to get an illegal block. Look, we got, they had three timeouts, oh, Cho. Three timeouts in 30 seconds. That's an eternity. Because the entire field is in play. I can throw the ball over the middle. It's in play. Call the time out.

Now, I just took seven seconds off the clock. I got 23. Guess what? Middle of field is still in play. I take another seven seconds off the clock. Guess what? I still got a time out. The field, the entirety of the field,

is still in play. That's things that you got to talk about. Andy's got to do a better job, special teams coach, you've got to do a better job of helping guys understand. Remind them. Remind them.

Hey, don't, fair catch this. X, Y, Z. Go ahead. Yeah, it's all about the coaches letting the players know certain situations, defensively, offensively, special teams,

if these certain situations come up, even if they might not come up, just so they're aware. And obviously, coaches have to know, in game what's possible. There's a chance that this might happen. There's a chance that this might happen. So be aware and understanding

this is what you want to do in this situation. Same with Hollibald Brown on that play towards the end of the game. Understanding, hell, they damn they went in preview. They did. Get your head around fast. If you can go out the back, though, go out of the back though. If you can't get as much as you can, get down,

call time out real fast. So we have our opportunity and a chance to run something else. But you've got to give the Jazz credit. didn't hang their heads. They fell behind 14-0-0. They get a touchdown late in the second quarter, making a 14-7 ball game, and then they score 14-7 ball game.

And then they scored 21 unanswered points. And then we saw what happened at the end of the game. But give those guys credit because I thought Jacksonville played really well. They showed me something. They showed me something. Getting down to this team with this defense and that guy playing quarterback, they showed me something. I thought the receivers played well today.

Thornton stepped up. Thornton has been playing extremely well. Xavier Worth. Again. Again. Thornton again with another big play. I wish he could have kept his balance too on that deep ball and scored that. But, yeah, they played really well.

Both sides of the ball. This is, I don't know who the hell is scheduling these goddamn games, but every time we got a Sunday night or Monday night or a Thursday night game, they have been phenomenal, phenomenal game. If you blink, you might miss something. That's how good the games have been, you know, so far. You're right. But the thing I don't understand is next week, we got a double header.

We don't need two games on Monday night. Right. And I mean, how much money do y'all want to get? But they're on the same network. Yeah. Hold on, hold on. Who we got? Who we got?

We got the Bears and the commanders and Buffalo playing somebody. The Falcons. Oh, we don't need two games on a Monday night. And I can tell you what game everybody can be tuned into, unless you're a Buffalo fan, unless you're a Falcons fan, everybody can be. watching the Bears and Committees. Everybody can be watching the Bears and so I'm not sure why the NFL is doing that. Obviously, you understand what the bottom line is at the end of the day on why there's a double header on a Monday. But listen,

they're trying to double dip. If you understand the business, they're just trying to double dip. Don't you. That'll be like bringing, putting friends and everybody love Raymond on the same, on sister networks. Why the hell you do that? Come on, bro. You're right. Come on NFL. It's unnecessary. I get some. I get some. I get Sunday all these games, but on a single, on a singular night, Ocho one game, we need one. But you guess what? Pretty soon, they're going to have two games on Thursday.

Watch. Yeah. Watch. Yeah. Because you have to understand too long. You got to look at it from a business standpoint. You got to look at it from their standpoint. You know what their bottom line is.

We're trying to maximize as much as we can in the 17 games season, plus the playoffs, plus Super Bowl. So how can we double the profit? by having two games. No way they're going to do it. They're going to add another playoff game. In the next three to five years, they'll have another playoff game.

So instead of seven, they'll be eight. And you know that 18 game coming. And what they're trying to do also is trying to have everybody play one game overseas. Now, good luck getting the Cowboys to give up a home game. Now, everybody else's going to be more than willing to give up a home game. Yeah.

Convinced Jerry to give up one of his home games. It ain't happening. It ain't happening because if you give up a home game, that's taking away the money. I mean, I get, I get Jacksonville. I get Cleveland. I get some of these teams.

But. Right. Let everybody, let everybody, you know, we try to grow, we try to grow. I don't know if football, American football, would ever be what soccer is or ever be what basketball is. No. Because nobody grows up wanting to be like Randy Moss or wanting to be like Jerry Rice or Patrick Mahomes if you're in Europe. If you're in that. But listen.

I understand what you're saying even we will never I don't think any sport will ever touch that of soccer that of the beautiful game obviously basketball basketball is another sport that many of them choose to play or be like certain individuals but the game of the game of football as great as it is continuing to grow globally on the other side of the world is a good thing for us it's a good thing for because obviously not only do we get to to to expand from an economic standpoint, it's good for other players, their brand, and being able to do things not just here in the States, but being able to do things outside of the States as well. So, in a sense, long term, it's a great thing. It's a great thing. But they would never, ever be able to be what soccer is. That's the possible. Because Europeans, they play it.

They can play soccer. I can become pro. What's the like, look, Africa, the content of Africa, do you have Nigeria, you have teams, They can play football. Yeah. How many guys from Europe go, like, you know what? Yeah, that football thing, I'm going to be back to home. I'm going to be Tom Brady.

Hey, uncle, it'd be very difficult. You have to understand, too, everybody in Europe, everybody plays soccer. Yes. The chances of you playing at the highest level, the EPL, CDI, La Liga, I mean, French League, that, Uncle, only so many. It's only so many spots. And everybody does it.

So like, just think about this. I know you don't watch soccer much, but you hear the conversations of the comparison between Cristiano and Messi. I don't think people understand how brilliant and how good these dudes are. Because everybody played this sport and the comparison of who the best is

of a certain error or a certain generation, like that's the cream of the crop. And then there's everybody else. And we're going to be the place you come to for World Cup. Oh, yeah. But you got to think about, in soccer. messy left home.

You think about Ronaldo, left home. Hoblin, probably left home. Lewandowski probably left home. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's a difference. But man, this game tonight, this game tonight,

we've been getting some very, very good games. Thus far, I know it's early, Ocho. It's like week, eight, week nine, they'd be like, damn, y'all couldn't uh y'all couldn't uh flex up out of this one I don't I don't think they can flex I think they can only

I think Sunday night is the game but I think they start they're starting allowing to flex out earlier because you know ain't nobody trying to look I understand that they might be this or might be that but ain't nobody trying in week 10 trying to see a two team a two win team on no Sunday night or no Monday night

or no Thursday you stuck because every Everybody has to, everybody has to play, you know, at least one Thursday night game. Right, right. Huh? Damn, man.

Out of Monday night? Sunday night. Okay, yeah. Oh, they play, oh, yeah. And that's the thing. They were like, hey, Fox and CBS be like, man, we got a, oh, boy, we got a bar and burner. NBC, nah, let me get that one.

Hey, hey, speaking to, speaking of bar and brothers, ask, ask, who is the London game this Sunday game? Who they, who they playing? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I'd be at that game. I'd be at the game. Matter of fact, what I'm going to do is I'm going to go down on the field. Ain't not going to change.

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