Club Shay Shay - BEST OF Part 2: SHOCKED Jaxson's QB1, Micah BOOED in Dallas, & JAGS MISUSING Travis Hunter

Episode Date: September 27, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson bring you the BEST of Nightcap! Unc & Ocho react to breaking NFL news with Giants rookie QB Jaxson Dart replacing Russell Wilson, Micah Parsons returning to Dallas and if Cowboys fans will boo him, plus Coach Prime calling out the Jaguars for misusing Travis Hunter on offense and defense. Don’t miss all the biggest NFL Week 4 highlights and reactions from Nightcap! 0:00 - Jaxson Dart named Giants starter21:18 - Micah Parsons to be booed in Dallas?34:04 - Falcons Fire Coach after 30-0 loss48:50 - Travis Hunter both sides of ball update (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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decision. So in terms of the quarterback situation, I met both with Russ yesterday and Jackson privately. And Russ was nothing but a pro, which I would expect him to be. It's my decision. We're going with Jackson. We're going to get him ready to play this week and the remainder of the season. He's going to do everything he can. Russ will be the backup. The conversations that I've had with these young men will be private. will be private. All I can tell you is we're going with Jackson and we're getting ready to play. So I'm not going to add too much to it. Those are private conversations. It's my decision and we're going with Jackson. Ocho, are we going to go hit Russ's? Okay. Okay, here's what Russ had to say about the demotion.

Yeah, yeah. Let me hear that. Let me hear that. Let me hear that. Let me and my dog. I think that for me, just staying ready, you know, knowing what I'm saying, capable love. Like I said, life is about response. Um, and, uh, you know, I can control two things. And that's my attitude and my gratitude. And, um, you know, I think the other thing I can control is my work ethic and my preparation to be ready when my name's called again, because I know what I can do. And I know, um, you know, I know I'm going to do it again, you know, so that's, that's why I'm excited about. Now, Chad, you're just saying I ain't going to rage, bait. I ain't going to do no kind of baiting.

But when I told you guys what was going to happen, you don't know what you're talking about. They got, even my guy, even my co-host, the man been with me for two years. We've been through thick and thin. I said, oh, Joe, I said, look at the way the man playing. Now, I'm telling you what's going to happen. I say over under eight weeks.

I said, Russia's going to start. Jackson Darry's going to be the backup. And then James will be the third string quarterback. No, no, no, not everybody, everybody was agreeing with you, I said, Ocho, I can see the way this thing playing out because they drafted this guy. And at the end of the day, the one guy that can save my job is not Russ. It's not James Winston. Who's the one guy that can save Brian Dayball's job, Ocho?

Did you hear what you just said? I love that you went that route. Who's the one guy that I could save my job? The guy that I wanted, the guy that I drafted. But you throw a rookie quarterback out there, right? In the middle of the season, in the worst part of the season for them, them schedule-wise, based on the opponents that they have to play, what happens when he doesn't play with?

What happens when you don't play with? What happened if you stick to your guns and you say, once you make this decision, you can't turn back and go? He said he's the quarterback for the rest of the year. For the rest of the year. So you can't turn. Unless he gets injured, you're absolutely correct. And I wouldn't expect them to turn the back and go back.

But here's the thing to Ocho, even if you lose too many games and Jackson Dark comes into the plays well, somebody else is going to be coaching him next year anyway. So you've got to go with it. Hey, listen, you was going, you was going right where I was going. Because I'm going to say most of the time I'm thinking as a rookie quarterback. Listen, Jackson Dard, you show flashes of brilliance, obviously in the preseason. But again, that's preseason. You know how the defenses are very, very vanilla.

I think if he plays well enough, two things can happen. Either you can play well or you can play bad. If you play bad, the ball you got out of there. If he plays well and shows what we already, flash what we've already seen, hell, you still might be fired. True. If Jackson-Dard plays well, I think it's going to buy the ball some time. Maybe right. I personally-

Now, this is what we know. I think we'll buy it at the time. We saw he got the job in New York because of how he worked with Josh Allen. But we see Josh Allen after he leaves, still go with an MVP. Okay. Right. He has Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones looks better away from New York than he did in New York.

So what so how much are we to deduce that? that day ball might not be the quarterback whisper that we really thought he was because Josh Allen is still playing at the MVP level. He's the MVP frontrunner as we currently speak. And you look at Indiana Jones what he's doing with the Colts. So he, I don't, like I said, in Ocho, we talked about it Sunday. I said, Ocho, if it's me, I'm going to start him against the charges at home. I'm not going to start him on the road in a hostile environment.

I'm going to start him because at least it will buy them. some time yeah but i'm starting him so i was going i said i'll start him sunny against the charges and then i'm going to go from there but i knew this was going to come sooner rather than later just based on look and it's look it's never just one guy's fault you can't make 22 changes ocho you can make what's the one change that i think can significantly impact impact the game they believe it's the quarterback position now the offensive line is going to have to play better everybody going to have to play better pick up their plate you know there are some mistakes that was made on russ uh and i think you know him throwing the ball out of the end zone on fourth down didn't do

himself any favors throwing a couple of couple of uh uh picks but like you like you said ocho it's not all on russ but the quarterback they get way too much credit and they take way too much blame yeah absolutely Absolutely, absolutely. I feel bad for Russ. I feel bad for us, but this is what happens when you're towards end of your career and you're going from team to team. Russ is a great guy. Russ is a great guy. He's a professional. He's the ultimate professional at the quarterback position. He's similar to what, if you would have a comparison to Russell Wilson, when it comes to a receiver that does everything the right way as a professional, I look at Lazarus Gerald. Yep. You know, when it comes to quarterbacks and does all the right thing. Yep. Everything. So for Russ, you know, I feel bad for him. God, fair man, one of God's children, says all the right things, does all the right things. He works hard, but obviously now it's in Jackson's our team.

Again, I told you, I would be in New York, right? So I'm going to look tonight. So who you think I saw at the Interim Miami game? And I told you I won't see him. Malik neighbors. Belique neighbors. So we sit to have a conversation. I noticed the cameras that are watching so they can't read no lifts.

I'll flip them back and turn them to me and ask the questions. the questions that's necessary, you know? How are you feeling? They're not going well. How do you feel about not getting the ball? What do they need to do to be able to get you the ball, putting you in different positions? And obviously, we had a conversation,

very lengthy conversation, about 30 minutes, you know, on the field on the pitch before the game started. And obviously, as any receiver feels and wants, I won't say anything verbatim, put me in positions to make the plays. I'm going to make them. That's it.

Put me, throw me the ball. That's it. it's pretty simple it's not it's not a complicated possibly nah that's it not asking too much to make the plays and put the ball in the area and the vicinity if anywhere I can reach it I'm going to catch it it was simple as that simple as that obviously some other things but I can't disclose those

but that's it yeah that's it I'm right and then he of course he say it don't matter who playing quarterback right that don't matter not to me I'm him yeah I got to go do my job, but in order for me to do my job, I need people to put me in position to do my job. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you say, Shannon, I need you to clean the gutters. Well, I'm going clean the gutters, but you damn better give me a ladder so I can get my ass up there. You can't tell me to do something or do it. Look, if I can win, damn to any war, if you give me the

the artillery to go fight said war. You want me to go compete. Give me opportunities. Put me in position so I can compete. And that's all he's saying. He's like, look, yeah, who wouldn't want to have a top five quarterback? But we know there's 32 teams and every quarterback situation is different. But what makes those guys unique is that their coordinators put them in position. Jerry got put in position. Randy and Chris Carter, then Marvin Harris, and the Lance Fitzgerald, all the receivers that

has these numbers, the Pro Bowls, the All-Pro's got put in position. No matter what you think about who's your office coordinator, Zee Prakowski. No, no, no, Burkowski. I mean, you was for a couple of years, right? Bob Brickowski. Bob Bracowski. Yeah, Bob McCaucy. So it doesn't matter.

It doesn't have to be a Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVeigh or this or that. All you have to do is understand the pieces and move them appropriately. Hey, you notice what you just said, understand the pieces that you have. understanding your player's strengths and weaknesses. Because the coordinator is not having egos and saying this is my scheme, this is where I'm going to run it, I'm going to put you in position, and you have to get open based on my philosophy,

my ideologies, and my scheme. The more creative, the more creative of the coordinators, whoever the goddamn Lions Corps of the Coronator is, the Andy Reeves, the Kyle Shannon's, well, I know what he's good at. I know what he's not good at. So I'm not going to put him in that position for him to get exposed. Everybody plays receiver, but everybody can't get open the same. Some people you got to stack them, some people you got to move them.

Some people you got to put them in the slot. Thank you. It is what it is. See, our job... Unless you're one of those tier one receivers, where all the, what's the word I want to look, all the things that the makeup of being a great receiver, they're really good at all of them.

Like Jamar Chases. I see Malik neighbors as a tier one receiver, where you don't need much creativity, I can get what I need to get done off the muscle because I'm like that. It's only a few of them too. It ain't a handful. Oh, it's only a handful.

And I'm not going to get into that because I don't want to piss nobody off, but I watch, I watch down. I think the thing is Ocho is that when you look at these guys, is that my job was easy playing for Mike because I know Mike's aggressive. So Mike's going to take chances where unnecessarily like some coordinator is going

play it strictly by the book. Mike going for the juggler. And I know that he's going to call plays accordingly. So now I can do things accordingly. Mm-hmm. Look. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin.

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IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Like I said, quarterbacks

get a lot of credit far too much. They get far too much blame. but I saw this coming. I saw this coming when Jackson Dart played well, Ocho, and we had our final show after Jackson Dart played well. I said over-under.

I really wanted to say the first quarter, the first four games, I was like, Ocho, this kid playing. Unless Russ blows it out of the water, there's no way he was going to be able to hold him off. Well, hell, uncle, he blew it out the water to the Dallas game. At the Dallas game, I thought, oh, yeah, he just bought himself some time. He bought himself at least three, four, five games.

And then after, who is that? They just played in Kansas City. Oh, I mean, it's the Chiefs. It's the Chiefs. But see, people don't look at the Chiefs. If we looked at the, if the three years ago, Chiefs, I said, okay, you got a point, Ocho. You got a point.

Oh, so the struggling, the Chiefs don't count. Hell, nah. Hell, no. And I think the first game, they played the Commanders, look right he bought he basically he bought them they was hoping let me tell you looking at it from from my perspective and having my years of experience they were hoping to rust buy them a little bit more time oh cho i agree with you i don't they didn't want him to play this soon they was hoping oh not they were hoping russ could buy them some time may at least half a season

Give us half a season. Yeah. But at this current pace, Dave all wasn't going to have half a season. They're going to end up firing him. He saw their boy. It was just, it wasn't going to be. This is the thing, what I don't like.

Russell Wilson is not in the position to where he used to be where he can elevate a team, where he's a quarterback that can elevate the team. Regardless to the pieces that surround him. Now he's in the position as a quarterback. who's somewhat still adequate, but needs a play around him to elevate his play. He needs words before Ocho, he can get away with less than ideal situations. He didn't need the great wall of China to be his offensive line.

He didn't need, he didn't need two, three, four wide receivers on the tight end. He didn't need a light South, even though he had that in Seattle. Yeah. But now he needs more. As we get older, we need more. I mean, look at, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Tom, we didn't got more, Peyton, we got more. Aaron Rogers, he needed more, and that's what happens as we get older. We need more help.

So now where we could elevate everyone else, we need someone to help elevate us. Yeah, I think somewhat, too, it's not, it's not fair. You look at the situations in which he went to, he went to Denver. I'm not saying Denver, there's anything wrong with Denver, but I'm just saying, it wasn't, to me, an ideal situation for him, similar to when Peyton Manning went to Denver, it was a different ball game. Situation different when Tom Brady went to Tampa Bay,

it was a different ball game. I think the situations that he went to weren't ideal for him to continue to have success, the way we're used to seeing Russell Wilson have success. I think sometimes, Ocho, and this is what I'm saying, sometimes the devil you know it's better than the one you don't. See, Russ did realize. What the hell?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa. Hold on right now. Right, right. Uh-uh. What are you cooking? Hold on. Hold on.

I'm using that. Sometimes the devil you know it's better than the one you don't. See, Russ didn't realize how great of a situation he had in Seattle. You see, he wanted more. He wanted more control. He wanted more input. He wanted more of this and more of that. He goes somewhere and he didn't have, he didn't have what he had in Seattle.

He didn't realize how good he actually had it in Seattle. at them sometimes we don't realize just how good we have something until it's taken away from us and then you actually realize see we take for granted the ability to hear and the ability to smell and the ability of the taste or have you all uses of our limbs then when you don't have such you realize like damn you don't realize how how the hell did i survive without a telephone this long yeah the hell did they oh i couldn't imagine not being able to watch tv I can't imagine not being able to go to a restaurant and just order whatever I want. Right. So he had that situation and he wanted more. Now, he got financial security for a couple of generations. Oh, yeah. But at the end of the day, we haven't thought of, we haven't,

Russ really haven't consistently looked like Seattle Russ since he left Seattle. Yeah, yeah. mean, we understand that we play the game, so we understand situations when you change, when you leave a team like that, that's great as they were offensively and especially defensively, you would hope and want ideal situations similar to what you left from, but most of the time it doesn't happen like that. Most of the time, it doesn't happen like that. Going from Peyton Manning going from Indy and then going to Denver, an already stacked team, Super Bowl Ready team, all that was missing was a quarterback.

The goddamn, the, um, James, Winston-Def in Tampa and Tom Brady coming into a team that is already ready to status. We just need a quarterback. You have to understand because I was, look, in Denver, I'm very close to because all my people, a lot of my people were still there. And I would go back. And I watched how Peyton ingratiated himself. He was not standoffish, took time for everybody. He was Peyton Manning. You do realize at the time that he came to Denver, Ocho, he was a four-time league MVP. Absolutely.

He was already a five or six-time first-team all-pro quarterback. No quarterback has more first-team all-pros, more MVP's than Peyton Manning. But you wouldn't know that by being around him and talking to him. And then you watch him in the meeting room and you watch him on the practice field. And now you understand. He demands that you play at a level and you got to match him. you've got a time brady forces you to match that because people watch him and they see him if he's working that hard nothing less is accepted to me absolutely everybody everybody is

everybody leads differently but everybody can't be a great leader either there's a there's a you got corporals and you got lieutenants and you got one star and two star and three star and four star they don't do five star generals anymore they've only been five of those in the history of what we have the military um right but and russ handled it like i thought he would yeah he's hurt man you're taking my job and i got to stand y'all do realize how many touchdowns of russ thrown for damn near 400 he's got to be well over three came in the league in 23rd so this is his 14th season so he came in in 2012 he went rg3 and andrew luck so he's got 353 touchdowns How many guys you know got 353 touchdown stand on the sideline and hold a clipboard with the ear headset in the air?

Those guys start until they don't want to start it until it's time for them to lead the league. Look at the guy. Look at the guys that have thrown for 300 plus touchdowns. None of them never got demoted like that. You look at Matt Ryan. You look at Ben Rothenburg. You look at Philip Rivers, John Elway, Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Breed, Drew Brees, that's eight, I can fake up off the top of my head.

Johnny Uninus. Now, obviously, Johnny ended up going, you know, he didn't do very well when he got, when he left Indy and ended up going to the charges. But it hurts. And you got to put on a brave face. You do. Yeah. Because a lot of times people want to see you crack.

And Russ, and Russ is not wired like that. Russ is going to remain positive. and I'm happy I'm very happy with the way he's handled this whole situation because deep down inside he knew Ocho

you go to a place and they draft the quarterback you already knew what time it is the clock is taking on Joe when Tom went to tell did they take a quarterback in the first round no and so they were just like

a tick tick tick tick tick and you got a fight because you know they want to play it. That's not, he's not a decoration. That's not something that you just prop up. No, they wanted to play him. It's not like a situation like Alex Smith had. They drafted Patrick Mahomes. He knew Patrick Mahon.

He said, I got one year. There's nothing I can do to keep them from playing Patrick Mahomes next year. My job is to try to keep them from playing his ass this year. Yeah, yeah. And they went 11 and 5. Boom. They lost to get. They lost to the,

Titans had a, what, an 18 to three lead. They ended up losing. But we'll see what Jackson Dart got, going up against the Chargers, who's played as well as anybody in the NFL. So, three and old. Go ahead. Go ahead, don't you? I'm still stuck. I know we talk about Jackson Dark.

We talk about Russell Wilson and the Giants and all that, but I'm still stuck when that goddamn quote you led with. Now, that's one I haven't heard before. I haven't heard my grandma, my grandfather, say all type of stuff. But I'm using that. The devil you know is sometimes better when you don't. Oh, who boy? You was cooking, boy.

I can't wait to add this to my pamphlet. God, then. I mean, boy, it's not an easy road that the Giants have to go. And I don't know if you were with a Sunday. We went over their schedule. So Sunday, they played the Giants, excuse me, the Chargers. And then they're on the road October 5th at New Orleans. They're home on a short week Thursday against the Eagles.

Then they go at Denver. At Philly, home to the Niners, at Chicago, home to the Packers, at Detroit, at New England, by week. Hey, but that's tough, yeah. Yeah. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining.

And twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? It looks like something that should not be sold. Oh my. So that was my other big Colts take away. They sold that? Yes. I might want to go back at the Colts Stadium. Yeah, I might want to go back to the drawing board on that. Yeah. I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well. It's for generations. We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is Sprott. I wouldn't fight him.

I would. Listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, I'm Jay Chetty, and I'm the host of the on-purpose podcast. Today, I'm joined by Emma Watson. Emma Watson. Emma Watson has apparently quit acting.

Emma Watson has announced she's retiring from acting. Has anyone else noticed that we haven't seen Emma, Watson in anything in several years? Emma Watson is opening up the truth behind her five-year break from acting. Watson said she wasn't very happy. Was acting always something you were going to do? I was using acting as a way of escaping to feel free. My parents, it wasn't just the divorce, it was just like the continuing situation of living

between two different houses and two different lives and two different sets of values, the career and the life that looks like the dream. But are you really happy? Fame has given me this extraordinary power. It's also given me a lot of responsibility. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here.

And I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game from scouting reports and player development to team-building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters. Every week we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else. It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots, from college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow. We break down the draft, analyze matchups, and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day. Plus, we dig in the coaching strategies, roster construction, and the trends that shape the league year after year. Whether you're a die-hard fan or just love understanding the game on a deeper level, we give you the full picture.

If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you. Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Marcus Grant. And I'm Michael Florio, and together we host the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Ready to dominate your fantasy league this season? Then you need the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, your ultimate source for player news, draft tips and winning strategies.

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podcasts. Ocho, Michael Parsons doesn't expect any booze when he returns this Dallas on Sunday.

I think they're going to give me a good round of applause. There's no hard feelings there. At least for me, it's going to be a great atmosphere. When asked about his feeling towards Jerry Jones, not a welcome back tribute, there are a lot of things I consider disrespectful throughout the process.

But I wouldn't say the tribute, it's one of them. I would say, I just think there's hard feelings maybe there for them, but for me, I'm happy where I'm at, and we got a good football team so I guess I can receive my tribute when I win. Ocho, we both returned, played against our former team, we invested so much into obviously you tell me all the time i was just there for like a weekend at baltimore but uh that's it did you go back did you did you play in since did you play cincinnati uh no no i did i didn't i didn't because you have to think once i left cincinnati

i only had that one year right right right yeah now i was done i was done well they gave me love i mean i when i went back to denver i went back to denver the second year because first year Ocho, we beat them in the first round of the playoffs in the wildcard game. So we beat them. And then the following year, we went back. Crowd cheered. Every time I caught the ball, they introduced the offense, crowd cheered. I go back, then I go back to Denver and we go to Baltimore.

Gave me love both times. So I think the thing is that for me, there was really no hostility one way another. There was really no protracted contracts and going back and forth asking for a train. X, Y, Z. But I told you, when he laid on that tape, I said, oh, that ain't a good look, though. I told you.

Yeah. The funny thing back, especially when it comes to Dallas Cowboys, Cowboys fan base, there's no hostility towards Michael Parsons because, you know, everything was out of his control. Everything was out of control. So everything that was said in somewhat of an unfair way that you don't think an owner would say he can maybe think it, but actually Jerry Jones

is one of the few owners who gets away with saying the things that other owners think and he said it out loud he didn't care. So if anything, when he does come back to God damn Dallas,

there's no reason for the fans too doing. And if anybody should be booed is you know who. Yeah. For me, I was, look, I was in Denver for 10 years the first time, Mocho, and come back.

And, you know, we had won, you know, back-to-back Super Bowls. I was, you know, Went to seven consecutive Pro Bowls, all pro and all that stuff, and went to one Pro Bowl in Baltimore. But I think the thing is that the fans really appreciated how hard I worked. I didn't complain.

I just came to work, showed up, did my job, and I left. I had only got along great with my teammates. And I think Michael got along. Look, I don't know the inner and outs. But I just think the thing is the last, like the last four, two or three months old show with this contract talk. And you know, look, at the end of the day, those fans, they're Cowboys fans. Now, you might find a sprinkle here or there of Michael Parsons fans,

but those are Cowboys fans. And more times than not, you know how fans are. Fans are going to side with the team. That's just the way it is. But listen, you also have something that have common sense and understand how things are working. Some understand the business, some don't. Some only worry about who is a part of my Dallas Cowboy team.

That's all we care about. But then some understand the business and understand how it works. and able to separate the two being a fan and understanding how the team how the team works especially when to come down the contract sometimes they should be used to it anyway you're used to anyway when it comes to their star players because they've helped they've had to deal with it for so many years yeah I think it's just funny going back standing on the opposite side staring across over there for so for 10 years oh cho I still on this side looking across the field Now I'm over I'm across the field staring back across the field and the same thing when I went to Baltimore is different

You go in different way. You know all of a sudden now I'm taking a bus to the stadium. I'm used to driving myself to the stadium Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So it's It's uh, it's going to be different. It's going to be different. Uh, and it's so new. I mean, you like only four years in Dallas. I mean, most people when you leave and go back to play another team, it's years and, you know, years. You know, Peyton, with Tom played New England. Think about how long time. Tom, it played 20 season in New England. He goes back, you know, first year,

and he plays. So we get that. But it's like, man, four years, that's really, damn, that's quick. But you don't, sometimes, don't show, you don't get that's out of your control. We don't always get the control. And look, as an athlete, we try to control what we could control. And that's what we're good at, Ocho.

Because, look, I knew, if I work my tail off, okay, good thing is going to happen. Because I can control the, I can control how hard I work. When it comes to things like what happened with Michael, that was out of his control. Yep, absolutely. And matter of fact, when it comes to things that we can control, the one thing that we can control, we can control our production and what we do and the work we put in. Most of the time, if you put the work in, the results are going to show up on Sundays.

Two things we can't control is we can't control injuries. and you can't control getting older. That's it. You want to do as much as you can in between that time and trying to ensure you don't get hurt. But once you hit like 30 and 31, the game starts to play. Listen, once you hit 30 and 31, 32, 33, they start playing the games.

Oh, well, your targets start decreasing, and they start, you know, we need to talk to you about your production And I, man, come on. But I mean, I mean, tributes normally mad, that's for like the best of the best. I mean, you won championship. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying like that? You're a defensive player of the year.

You spent some time. I mean, after four years and look, and this is not a knock on Michael, Michael's a phenomenal player. But, you know, when Emmett came back, Emmett came back, he was the all-time lead Russia. You know what I'm saying? If it was an MVP, Emmett was won three Super Bowl. Tom going back to New England, Payton going back to Indy. It's levels to, I mean, of a video tribute. Everybody's not going to get a video tribute.

Even if you play 10 years, 15 years of a place, I mean, it all depends on who you were and what you did. If you're a 15-year special teams player, you're probably not. Now, maybe if you're Matthew Slater, you'll probably get one. If you're Adam Venetierre, you'll probably get one. But, but look, if I'm Mike, I ain't worried about that. Like Michael said, look, we win the game. That's my tribute.

And I'm coming. You know he's coming, Ocho. You know. Yeah, he's coming. He's been working on a move. He's like, because when we're there, Ocho, let me tell you what you did. When you was going to get your guys in practice,

you know if this was a real game, what would happen? Because I'm saying, bro, you do realize this practice. But if I actually played you in a. real city a situation right right right right bro i'm cooking y'all oh yeah for real yeah and listen you know i you know there's one thing about it especially in practice that them boys made me better huh i remember all my db's name by hard remember jeff burr i do yeah i think you went to know from know the name right yeah jeff berr's um leon hall tory jane torrey played with me tory He's familiar as you.

He played with me in Denver. Yeah. Man, listen. Jay Joe. Jonathan Joseph. It's some more Pac-Man. But in practice, oh, man. I'm talking about, listen, I got mine.

They got me some time, too, but I know who won most of the match up. Hey, boy, with Pac-Man, Unk, me and Pac-Man in practice? Oh, my God. But it was, look. Hey, you told about work, but we, we was, um, we was, we was, I'm out there working. And I won't feedback. I'm out there working like I'm a seven-round pick.

Man, Marvin and Hugh had to throw me out of practice. Why in the hell is you taking the scout team reps, man? Get out the people away. Because I knew I wanted to go against my number ones. I'm not going to get no real work unless I'm going against my number ones. They had, um, let me tell you how bad it was. I know I'd be playing around a lot, but when it came time to play football, I might have been fun and talking trash and doing all that entertainment.

When it came to that game and being a student of the game, I told you, but, hey, preseason, they talk about how many snaps we're going to play? Shit, you're going to call a timeout to get me out the game. But that was so much fun to me, man. Just looking at Marvin face, when all the ones came out, all the ones that come out, and I stand on the field and act like there's something wrong with me

until the second team come in and force Marvin to call the time out. Man, listen, I'm here to play football, man. I ain't worried about no injuries. Don't try to protect me from getting hurt. Precision, I'm here. I play football. I went through two weeks of training camp, two of days, and now you're telling me I only get to play one series, one drive?

No, sir. In a situation like that, Mike is going to, look, Mike is going to say, this is why I was worth 47 million. This game, this is why the Packers gave up two first rounders and Kenny Clark. Right. And gave me $47 million. This is why.

Yeah. You see what I did today? This is why. Make it a state. Absolutely. In matter of fact, and speaking of 47 million, he's going to show that all season long, especially as they continue to work with him in and allow him to get more reps,

allowed to get his legs up under him. You know, once he gets in football shape because he missed so much time, you know, missing training camp. No, hell, we only, we only, what, in week four? Week four. Yeah. Week four.

And, you know, hey, it's going to take him a while. I mean, he's a couple of weeks from being in tip-top football shape. Oh, yeah. Right now that, you know, he's a specialist right now. But, hey, him and Rishon Gary pretty soon because Rishon Gary is tied for the league, league, and sack. Pretty soon they're going to start. We got four and a half, huh?

Rishon got four and a half, huh? You see what happened when he come on nightcap? See what I'm saying? That ain't nothing of God. That ain't number of God's work. Everybody come on nightcap. have success. What Melissa Jefferson left with in Tokyo? Two, what? Three, oh, three of them? Oh, the four about one.

Three goals. Everybody come on nightcap having success. Okay. That, that, that, that, that, that, it ain't a, hey, it ain't a coincidence. It is not. Well, you need to be in bed. You should be in bed. You should be in bed. Hey, Titus. Titus. Titus. It's your make me pay to it. Hey, um,

Hey, let me, let me get, let me get Titus for a week. No. No. No, no, you don't know how to,

first of all, you don't know how to handle them. You ain't been around dog. You don't know how to handle him. Oh, come on. I don't have dog. No, he's different.

No, he's good, he good. I'm, I'm a dog. I'm a dog. Not that kind of dog. I'm saying,

I'm like, I'm a dog. I become one with the animal. He used to call me the dog, whisper back in back in 92 no cho you uh i just want to take him to the dog park oh oh he intact he i know he attacked he intact but what's that man yes so you're not supposed to have oh you you can't have them there oh you oh he and he spayed it neutered okay okay spade is what female let me let me i'm gonna get hey i'm gonna get hey i'm gonna get

the homie some action. Nah, hell, nah. Boy, people will sue you. No, no, no. I mean, I got, it's a lady I know she got a poodle. That's a heat. Yeah, you'll be in the border window.

Yeah. Tell him, say, nah. He said, we're good. We better to stay here with dad. The Falcons fire wire receiver coach, Ike Hilliard. One day after being routed by the NFC, rivals Carolina Panthers.

Offensive game, game coordinator, T.J. Yates will assume T.J. Yates, that's the quarterback. The one of the quarterback for the Texans. We'll assume He'll you's duties per the team. Offensive coordinator

Zach Robinson will call plays from the sideline moving forward. Robinson called plays from the coach's booth since he joined the team in 2024. Hey, I'm confused. is that supposed to be a distraction of some sort what's the point of what's the point of finding the receiver coach

I don't know the quarterback played terrible yeah some some I mean that doesn't make no any sense to me especially this early in the season that name's happened yeah I don't get that I don't know maybe that was something internally internally that was going on.

But I don't know, if you're shaking things up, I don't understand how to put, so what, guys running the wrong rounds? I mean, what was going on? They got into an argument, the coordinator and the position coach or the head coach and the position coach got into it. I agree with you, also, this don't, this don't seem right to me. It might have been something like that. It might have been something like that.

It had to be some issues going on where somebody might have been arguing or the other thing. Because, I mean, find anybody, week three? Come on, man. Come on now. The Panthers blew out the Falcons, 30 to nothing. Michael Pennix Jr. had his worst game of his career, young career, throwing two interceptions. He hasn't thrown a touchdown to a receiver or a tight end this season.

In fact, he has only one touchdown pass this season. That's the Bejan Robinson. Oh, Joe, I mean, look, we've all had receiver coaches. I'm just trying to figure out how much can a receiver. coach be responsible for the offense. He's not. He's not. He's not responsible for that.

Absolutely not. He has one job to do. That's the coach receivers. Make sure you get from point A to point B as fast as you can and catch the goddamn ball. That's it. That's all he can do. And make sure you're well prepared knowing the game plan and what you got to do. Yeah, I'm shocked.

That's why I know it had to be something else. something must have went on that side line that or maybe behind closed doors where it didn't sit well and they let brother, but brother here you go. The great, I just mentioned the other night too,

we talked about the Gator game. The Gators, yeah. I'm going to tell you this. There's going to be a lot of other people fired that quarterback don't start playing better. Oh, yeah. I hear you might have been the first to go, but let that quarterback

does that play better. Quarterback coach. The office coordinator. Yeah. And in fact, now you got me, Mr. Blake, Mr. Blake, go. Now you got me curious. I want to know why he was fired.

I'm trying to be nosy. I'm going to be nosy. Because we thought the Falcons were going to be good. I'm not saying, not for a second, though, Joe. I thought they were going to the Super Bowl, but I thought they would be better than what they were last year. You look at the weapons that they got? they got a night they got uh mooney and they got drake london rick london kyle kyle pitts

yeah rayby mcclowe they got bjohn robinson they got al jure they got a nice they got a nice little squad obviously good weapons with those weaponry you can't get shut out with those reverie but if your quarterback played like some stir fry you can't yeah he played bad late with the buck bro you know you can bro you know you bro How are you going to be on this side, looking at this half of the field, it all of a sudden come back and throw it to the flat blind? No, you can't do that. That's going the other way.

That's going the other way every time. If anything, if anything, you read one and two. If one and two ain't that, then you go to the flat right away. Because if you take any more time than that, the corner, they was in two. The corner, he's driving. He ain't going nowhere anyway. He ain't got nothing to thread them deep. So why would he go deep?

Exactly. Exactly. It sure wouldn't. So, yeah, I don't get, I don't get this one. This, this move befuddles me. Yeah. Because I've never heard, like I said, maybe something happened. We don't know all the intricacies of what transpired on.

Something had to have happened. Ain't no way you believe that you got shut out 30 to nothing, and that responsibility falls on the receivers coach the receivers coach I might have cussed somebody out now he might have cussed out the office coordinator okay now maybe maybe maybe that makes sense probably taking up even if he did curse him out after two weeks I mean after three weeks I mean this is what we are right now yeah something now now you say we're in a panic mode yeah you you you set us

up for panic when we shouldn't be panic. You should be calm. Yeah. You're right. Shoot, I'm nosy. I just, I just text Ray Ray, right. What, what happened, what? I'm nosy. Yeah, this is a this is a, this is a, I'm surprised by this. I didn't think Atlanta was a Super Bowl contending team, but I did think there would be much better than what they did, what they showed last year. And it's not a good luck, Ocho. When you guys, that you know your starter you three in week three you already had to put him on the you have to say no we've seen enough yeah that's not good no and you let you let him go out

on a sword too um yeah for sure you let him go out on the sword especially once you've already made that move that you are a quarterback of the future there's no reason that kirk cousin should be going in that game no none at all unless not kirk could not kutn't believe that he got a chance get back in there basically and he's a good and curt is a good sport for actually going in the game he is i mean what i mean hey first cousins ain't trying to give him no money back why am i going to get you know conduct detrimental by not going back into the game and they get take some of my money i'm going to get all this money you know how much cousins is made oh yeah because i ain't getting y'all none of that back 330 is some change yeah i ain't giving y'all none of that back

3.30 and some change? Yeah, I ain't giving y'all none of that back. I'm going to get all that. And as a matter of fact, y'all still owe me about 10-12 next year. Going to get that too. Might get some more. Yeah, this makes no sense, so, Joe, look, like I said, we didn't think the Falcons

was going to be world-beater, but we saw some of the promise that they showed last year at the end of the season when Pennix came in. Guys were getting the ball and, you know, so much, You know, talking to Kyle, he seemed very excited. Yeah. As a matter of fact, when we had the tour, well, that was last year when Rahim, we talked to Rahim.

But we still thought that they were going to be good. We thought they were going to be really good this year because, you know, Pinnis was talking about, you know, hey, he's looking for Kyle and, you know, we got Drake Lundon, we got Mooney, and we got Ray, Ray, and we got, you know, we got some weapons. We got Bejohn, who's a dual threat, you can catch it, we can run it, X, Y, Al Jazeera, a good powerback. This, this moves makes, this move makes no sense to me. At all.

Dang. Carners running back, James Conner will undergo surgery on his foot and will miss the rest of the 2025 season. How big of a loss is this, Ocho? Man, it's a big loss. It's a big loss. Marvin Harrison, Jr. didn't have a very, very good game. You've got to have a problem with the drops.

You got the yes right now, Ocho. Now you got your counterout. He's gone. He's your bail, Kyle. Now that put more pressure on Kyla Murray. More pressure on Kyle Murray. Knowing Marvin Harrison, Jr., he going to bounce back. He going to bounce back.

All it is, you have games like this. Hell, I've had, okay, I haven't had a game like this, but I've had games where I've dropped the ball before. And all it is, going back to practice, looking the ball in, starting over like you a little kid, look at the ball in every time find the laces catch the laces

don't take your ass out the ball make sure you got it secure it and then just go and get yourself back in trying to do too much Ocho yeah that's it taking his eyes off the ball that's all the way

and it's easy too the most difficult passes to catch are the ones that's wide open where you wide open man you take your ass off the ball trying to make a play before you secure it that's all he's going to be

wide opening. He knows the guy going to be coming at a high rate of speed. So he's like, man, I make one move. And you made the move and the balls on the ground so it don't matter if you made the move, made it miss. Right. Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, James Carter, he's their bell cop. I think he went

to the pro bowl last year. Runs hard. Can catch the ball out of the back field, but he's really their bell cow running back. I don't know who his backup is, but it puts more emphasis on, as you mentioned, on Collier and that passing game. right um it's uh it's tough i mean you hate to see a guy you know and because you know we've been

there we we know we put in to make sure we try to stay as healthy as we possibly can once the season start and here we are you know three weeks into the season and we're done for the year yeah that's crazy done for the year man that's that's only that's happened i mean i i broke my collarbone in week four and I was done for the year and I was miserable. Damn. Oh? Boy, you don't broke. Boy, you don't broke everything. Jesus. I have. Fractioned my eye socket and missed the last three games of the season.

Dislocated my elbow missed four games of the season. Spraying a knee ligament. Hey, listen, if I played with you when none of that happened, if we was on the same team, you wouldn't have had no injuries. Your shoulders would have been straight. Your knees, your ankles, all that, the angles, you had to keep getting

them ankles shot up? Wouldn't have been no problem. No problem. You would have been scraped. Man, my shoulders, man, I just caught a pass and rest your soul, Dave Doers, and I called it. Separated my shoulder when I fell on this one, and then he fell on top

of this one and separated the other one. Listen, I would have popped up, both of them. Yeah, I would have popped the boy right back in place for you on the sideline. Hey, take this, pop the back. I would take this tour it all, put harness on and you're good to go. No, I ain't wear no harness, but I just,

that was like the last, like last preseason game. Yeah. And then I missed practice. Shot shoulders up that Sunday. Yeah. Played as long as I could. And that made a, I'm trying to think, I cracked back on somebody. Oh, no, no.

I forgot you told. Ronnie Lott. Yep. That thing went numb. It was a rap. That thing was hanging. hanging out the bone. And you hit that helmet like this?

Oh, I couldn't do that. I couldn't even do that. Hey, I would like, oh. Come, come get me. Come get me. Yeah. I said, what's, uh, Greek? Steve Antonobos, was I training?

What is it, Sharpey? I said, Greek, I'm done. He said, can you rate? Mm-mm. He's like, Sharpie, can you rate? No. I'm gonna tell you before you even ask, the answer is.

no. Right. Can you squeeze my hand? No. Can you right? No. So, Ocho, I'm just going ahead in Greek. I'm going to prepare you for everything that you're going to ask me. I can't do it. I can't do it. Yeah. Can you push my hands out? Elcho, you know, push my hands out like this? Can you push your hands in? I can't do none of that. Yeah. I just, yeah, and I just feel bad because, man, you put so much, you put so much time in that. You know, then I, yeah, I fractured my orbital bone,

Ocho, and so they, they, for a week, they had my eyelid, had my eyes closed, so my eyelid shut, had a sit up. Ah, man, it was, ooh. Damn. And you're going to talk about I need to be, man, please. Who, what happened? No, you're talking about, man, you got to live, you got to do some adventure. Man, I didn't try to have nothing else broke at my age.

You do. The stuff we're going to do The stuff that we're going to do That's adventurous It's not stuff that can cause you To re-injure anything that's happened to you I'm going to be doing all the dangerous stuff You're just going to be there for more support

Okay That's all Can I Can I Can I like Video Can I watch from here Nah

Nah We're supposed to be We like Tom and Jerry Man You got to be out in the fear with me. Okay. I can say Jordan.

Nah, no, Jordan, the cameraman. I know. That's what I'm going to see Jordan. And Jordan can send it back to me. I can be watching like, yeah, that's a good shot there, George. Keep it on that. Hey, we, you know, it's so much stuff. It's so much stuff that is untouched.

I'm telling you when it comes to creating content that we can do that. Nobody else is doing, we can go, we can go hang glide. we go deep sea diving When do we have time to do that In the off season Okay Nightcap, the Adventures of Uncun Ocho Man we have by 100, 200,000 people watching

man, I'm telling you Go car racing Go shark diving Mm-mm A few days after Coach Prime said the Jags aren't using Travis Hunter enough. Liam Cole said Travis Hunter role on offense won't expand. Take a listen to what he had to say, Ocho.

Yeah, he's right now one position on offense and one position on defense. So that doesn't really fully change. It's just more the next guy having to go and adjust to go play some Z, which is what happened in the game. So, no, I don't think it changes much. And that's not going to change. So after the season where he'll be, you know, spread his wings a little bit on offensive. I think it's fair right now to say, hey, dude, go learn Z and X and 12 and this and that.

It's like, man, we got to make sure he can really go and execute it. We're asking them to do first, in foremost, which is play F and play corner. So I think as we go and as he goes, I got to believe that it'll continue to do this. So that's why you see more Parker when the Hombie goes down. So more opportunities for Parker. I know he was very transparent with us about two drops. You said he had great practice last week, expectations for his usage. Yeah, I think, you know, I have not lost any confidence in Parker by any means.

stuff happens. It's not obviously something that we were excited about in the moment, but he took full it takes a lot of responsibility and accountability. He works his tail off every single day. Like I said, he literally had his best week of practice last week as a JAG since we've been here. So

you know, there's a lot of confidence. Really the message to him is, dude, like we got to just move forward, man. I agree. Yeah. I mean, me, I always thought Ocho, he would be better served playing and defense and then have packages for him more offense. I mean, but everybody,

everybody wanting to manage his, hey, we're going to just throw him in there and let him play, bro, this ain't college. I don't care what anybody says. I don't care how many snaps he played and how great he was. This is the best of the best. There's a reason why they stopped doing that in the 60s.

There's a reason. So to ask this man and say, I'm not concerned, Ocho, there have been a lot. lot of guys that can play both ways, but can you play them at an elite level? Because that's what it comes down to. You see Troy Brown played offense and defense. You saw a Julian Edelman play it in spurts, but can you play it at the level? Can you hold your own against Jamar Chase and then can you go beat Pat or Tan on a

consistent basis? Can you beat Stingling on a consistent basis? Can you beat Saul's Gardner on a consistent basis? Okay, can you deal with Jeter? Can you deal neighbors? Brian Thomas Jr. Chase, can you do that? So this notion about, oh, he can do that, he can do that.

I want to see him do it at an elite level on both sides of the ball. And the coach is said, there'll be a time for that. Let the guy get used to the system. He's not there yet. Obviously, this is the good thing. But everybody's talking about they misusing them. They're not misusing it. I think they're just bringing them along slowly, not just throwing him out to the fire,

throwing him out there to the wolves. allowing him to get acclimated, learn everything, so you don't have to think. Because you play your best when it was at Colorado, he already knew what to do. That's why he was playing his best.

Yes. I don't have to think. I can just go play and react. So once he gets to that point over there in Jacksonville, then they add a little bit more on his plate. Okay, we go, you know we got this.

Okay, you got F, okay, now we can teach him Z. Add a little bit more on his plate. Okay, boom. Oh, he got Z? Now we can add X. Then defensively. Okay, he's a little bit more.

look comfortable now, boom, maybe we can put them in on first and second downs instead of waiting until third. It's just, just a little stuff. Just bring them along slow. So I think it's kind of smart, smart of them the way they're using them right now. I think there will be certain situations,

certain circumstances where they will need that advantage, that mismatch, that he does create on both sides of the ball. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that, look, you know when you was a kid, and you're like, give me some of note, eat what's on your plate. let him eat what is on his plate

let him get this position, let him master that and then as he starts to master that, I don't care to anybody says, pro offenses are more complicated than college offenses. Pro defenses are more complicated than college defenses. That's just the way it is. And the athletes are better, just better. I don't care.

Look, and we believe the SEC and the Big Ten is as close to NFL as we get. Guess what? There are a lot of guys in the SEC and the Big Ten that don't make it in the NFL. All those guys that come out there on Sunday, they made it. And there are a lot of guys that played in the conferences that didn't make it. So you're talking about the best of the best.

And that's the thing. Ocho, it's not enough for him to just say, I play both sides of the football. People want to see he won the Heisman trophy because he was elite on both sides of the ball. If he's not elite on both sides of the ball, Ocho, what are we doing? Let's be all the way real chat. What are we doing? The thing about the SUV, Ocho, that's what made the SUV so popular, Ocho, I can how my kids in it and I can pull up to a, I can be in the carpool line or I can go to,

I can go to a black tie dinner. I can do both. I can drive in the summertime. hey, I can be at Miami and drive my SUV, but guess what? I can go to Minnesota and also do it. So if it doesn't give me that kind of value, what are we doing, Ocho? You're right, but another thing, too, also, you took him so high, right? You traded, Ocho, you traded up to get it.

So we're going in a week four. Now, I understand it's a long season. But would you add on to that plate? We need to keep on, we need to keep on adding and see that a little bit more week to week. And I think that's what they're going to do, Ocho. I mean, I think he played, this is the first time that he played more defense than he played offense. But I think he was still around 60 plays. They just, we just haven't seen him get in the end zone.

We haven't seen him get any interceptions, which we routinely saw at Colorado. man this is this the NFL y'all realize this is the best of the best this is the top 0000 0.1% that's what that is bro I don't think people get it

I don't I think the thing is that people just people actually thought Ocho he was going to just walk in there and do what in the NFL what he did at Colorado and then if you say Ocho like man Ocho said I got level years of this thing, man. That thing ain't that easy.

I got 14. I said, man, it's not that easy. Oh, y'all hating. No, we're just telling you what is going to take to play at that level. Time didn't even play both ways. And time was as talented as anybody that's ever stepped foot in the NFL. The greatest of all the time. I mean, they had a package.

Time was a, did what he did defensively. and then he would come in with a package. Now, he played a little bit more when I think Michael got hurt one year or the number two receiver got hurting, so he played more. Same thing with champ. Same thing with champ in Washington. Yes.

Same way. Yep. But for me personally, I don't think they're misusing trabb. I think they're building them up slowly and slowly and putting more and more on his plate. And the more he can eat, the more he can digest. and we'll just keep going like that until we build it out. We don't need, hey, this thing, we don't need to build this overnight.

We don't need to try to have him learn X, Y, X, X, Z, F. We don't need to do all that. Hey, you got the slot. Oh, you play, oh, you're playing, you're playing outside. You're playing inside. You're playing dime. We don't need to do all that, Ojo. There will be a time that it'll be second nature.

But I'm sure there's a lot going on in this plate. But it's hard, oh, Joe, it's hard because to get good at something, you do it all the time over and over it's repetition yeah it's it's it's repetition in the funny so he go from he go from a standing split to now he's in a back pedal in the funny thing he won't be the the the Travis hunter we're used to seeing that we saw in Colorado he won't be that into the NFL until he knows everything he's still yeah he's still thinking I know it's football at the end of day but he's still thinking it's your rookie year you're going in a week four, you're still thinking.

So they're putting you in advantageous positions where you don't have to think you just got to play. That's why you're playing. That's why your head is so small right now. So all you have to do is just play and let your God give him an ability and what you've learned so far take over. Yes.

I mean, give him a year two. Let's see where he's at halfway through the season. Let's see where he's at at the end of the season. Let's see where he's at year two, year three. And it's so funny. But in order for this to make sense, he's going to have to be lead on both levels. Because you took him, so how you took him with the number two pick in the draft? Number two pick in the draft is supposed to be franchise altering.

Yeah, and they can't. No matter what position, no matter what position it is, he's supposed to be franchise. But they can't use him in that position yet. Because franchise altering is usually held for the quarterback position outside of elite skilled players. At most of the time, it's the receiver. receiver DB, but then, yeah, DBs come around every so often,

but receiver, a quarterback, or running back, franchise altering. But his plate isn't full enough for him to be franchise altering right now. Correct. It's not. It's hard.

I mean, I don't envy him. I understand that he wants to do things that nobody's ever done, and it's been a long time since we got to have a guy that this talent. We saw Champ Bailey do it. Miles Jack did it as a running back and a lineback at UCLA.

But it ain't easy. It ain't easy to be elite because with the number two pick, you're supposed to be elite. And he wants to be elite on both sides of the football. Now, you know, you asked time, time said, look,

had I devoted what I devoted to being a wide receiver, like I devoted to the, DB, ain't no question in my mind. I get a gold jacket as a wire receiver. And I believe him. I believe it. Because he was just so gifted.

God just gave that man so much ability. But people, see, a lot of times, Ocho, when God gives somebody ability, they make it seem like they don't work. Time worked. Time studied. But see, you're like, man, God, no, no, yes, God blessed him. But the greatest are when God blessed you and your, and you're the hardest worker.

You get a Tom Brady, you get a Dion Sanders, you get a Kobe Bryant, you get a Michael Jordan, you get a LeBron James, you get a Griffey Jr. That's what you get. You get a Barry Bond. You get that. That's what you get. When you take a Tiger Woods. Serena. Serena Williams. That's what you get.

When God kiss you with God-given ability, And work ethic? You're dangerous, boy. You're dangerous. And the funny thing about it is he already got the work ethic too. Not only do he have the worth ethic, but he goddamn believe he can do it. He believed he could do it.

That's part of it. I was just going to say that that's part of it. Once you believe you could do something, oh, shh. Boy, it's up, Ben. Hey, this Matt Jones. And I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL cover zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different.

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