Club Shay Shay - Best of Playing Days Stories Part 2: Going through Rookie HAZING?! + DeSean Jackson REFLECTS on Eagles Career!

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Ocho react to Shedeur Sanders already planning rookie hazing, sparking memories of their own rookie days and what they had to do to earn respect in the league.   0:00 - Saquon Barkley on the cover of Madden 26  5:35 - DeSean Jackson reflects on Eagles playing days 22:52 - Rookie Hazing    (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And now he's gracing the cover of Man 26. Saquon was asked if he would retire at the top of his game or go into the wheels came off. I'll probably be one of those guys that would be out of nowhere. I'll probably just wake up one day, whether it's the next year or two or four, and just be like, yeah, it's over.

I don't think I'll ever lose that passion. The competitive nature is always going to be there. I like probably my favorite player of all time is Barry Sanders. So probably similar to that, maybe one day, like out of nowhere, I'll probably just be balling and just like, yeah, it's a quiz. D, we just talked about that.

Cause your situation, you just like out of nowhere, like, yeah, yeah. I'm out of here. Not as sudden. Really the ones in the inner circle, they knew the situation. And I was trying to push through, I was looking for options to continue,

but it's just, it's over for sure. Like I knew it. Not as sudden as like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson. Sequon is incredible. All of fame, talent, for sure. It'd be a, he can't walk away all of a sudden. We need to see some more of that, man. That's a special talent.

What the difference is between them situation and Calvin and Barry, they got tired of losing. Yeah, for sure. He's in a situation where he's, I mean, you just went to the Super Bowl. Now you start to lose, but Barry got to the NFC championship game in 91 and never got that close again.

So Barry got tired of losing. Barry wasn't injured. I mean, you talk about the guy had averaged 1500 yards for 10 seasons. No, for sure to go. Calvin the same thing. Calvin like, bro, man, we ain't getting no closer. And I'm going out here and I'm doing all this to my body.

What am I really doing this for when I don't really have a realistic chance of getting to and winning a Super Bowl? So I think that's the difference. Saquon is in a different situation. Now, if he was at the Giants, yeah, he probably just goes like, one day I'm outta here.

But in the situation where he is with that offensive line, without offense, with that defense, nah, I don't think he just walks away. And the money different too. Yeah, I mean, the money obviously different and obviously he just got paid, they gave him a nice, nice, nice.

Nice, 20 mil a year, Ocho. Nice pay raise. Yes sir. Hey Kwon, for a running back for that position, obviously with a position not as being as valued as it is now, but being somewhere now where they appreciate you for what you're doing and they showed you love. I don't see Saquon retiring until he has that,

that coming to, coming to grass moment. You know what? I can't do it like I used to. That's a fact. I don't have that excuse. I say it the same way. Oh, I think that'd be the only time he actually called it quits when he realized his, you know what?

I can't get, I can't bend that corner like I used to. I can't hit, I can't hit that A, but that B a C gap. Like that would be it. That ain't, how old is Saquon, huh? Probably 26, 27? Oh boy, he got hit. 28, just turned 28. But here's the thing though, Ocho.

Yeah. Lane Johnson's still there. Maulato's still there. Jurgensen still there. Nice. Lennon-Dixon still there. So it's not like you see some of these guys, the offensive line get old

and they starting to move with them out. That's the best offensive line in football. They're not going, it's not like they're about to drop off a cliff in the next year too. And they got them all in the contract. They just did Lane's contract. They just did Mylotta's contract. They just did Dickerson's contract. Jorgensen was on a rookie contract. Nah, he ain't going anywhere anytime soon. You know, it's funny when you think about it, as good as Saquon is and as good as that offensive line is, even if Saquon was a loser step,

let's say in maybe in three years, if that. With an offensive line like that, he will still be able to do what he needs to do because he had that much better up front. So he won't be able to go 80 yards without anybody touching him. So now he might have to break a tackle two yards from the line of scrimmage,

as opposed to running through those holes that my old slow ass could probably get five yards. I ain't gonna hit my head on the goal post like him, but I might get five yards T. I gave about three or four yards. Four, I gave about three, four. Them licks hurt, I can imagine now. I hadn't gotten hit on in two decades.

I shatter like ice. You know how you drop ice out of the cup and hit the floor? You gotta remember, they not hitting like it was back then now. It's different. Oh, no, no. I don't forget how to fall.

I don't forget how to take a hit. You see, you start to lose, hey, you know how it is T, when you go like, when you leave the season and you come back and you had to go to training camp, you got to relearn those stuff. It don't tingle like they did. Like once you get going like training camp and now you go to the season, they don't tingle them.

And now 20 years, man, I be getting, hey, I run them to shallow cross this zone. You run it through the zone? Hey, they gonna get fined. They gonna get fined though. They might hit you but- But I won't be fined. They gonna get fined though. They might hit you, but- But I won't be fined. They might get fined, but I won't be fined.

That's the problem. That's a word, Pedro. Yo, Ocho, you switched it up on me, man. You usually have on the Cartier Shades. I got seven pair of Cartier Shades over. I was gonna be Ocho tonight, and you didn't. Real? Hey, you know- Switch it up, and-

Let me hold, let me hold here. Come on, now. Let me see what you got, what you got, let you got. Whatever you need, you know what I mean? We in there, I'm Ocho right now. We have a very special guest tonight. He's a three time pro bowler, he's an all pro and he once made the Pro Bowl as a returner and a wide receiver.

Here he is ladies and gentlemen, the head coach of Delaware State, Mr. Deshaun Jackson. D Jack, thank you for joining us bro. We'll get to you in just a second. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Delaware State, Mr. Deshaun Jackson. D Jack, thank you for joining us, bro. Hey, I was gonna say. We'll get to you in just a second. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast feed,

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That link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. D Jack, let's get right into it bro. Head coach, Delaware State. Bro, if somebody say says okay give I'm gonna give you a list of players former NFL players that were that were all decade players that were Pro Bowl players all pro players I will give you

a list of ten guys name the guy that you think was most likely to become a head coach on any level DJ I can also say I, I wouldn't have put you at the top of the list, D Jack. What made you decide to become a head coach? I was gonna say, damn, you wouldn't have put me up there, man, damn, bro. No, no, no, no, not at the top of the list. Hey, no, I mean, honestly for me, you know, the opportunity presented itself,

obviously, you know, I retired in 2022. I played in Baltimore and after that year was over, I retired and I walked away feeling like I left everything out there on in between the white lines. So for me, I sat around for a whole year, then contemplate on that. And I was like, you know what I deserve after all the fruits of these labors, all the hard work I put into it, I deserve to sit around for a whole year

and not do nothing. I woke up at two o'clock if I wanted to. Took the kids to school, I partied, I hung out. I did just the regular things that I wanted to do after all these hard years of working out. So after that year, I was like, you know, I got to get my butt off this couch and go get some income. You know, me and LaShawn McCoy, we had our podcast trying to figure out if I was going to do the media side of it or anything. You know, and for me, it was just like, I really didn't know which way to go. And I started coaching. I went out, my older brother was a high school football coach and I went out there and I coached with a man and I fell in love with coaching, man. So, okay.

The Delaware state thing just kind of honestly fell on my lap after my first year of coaching last year, the end of year, it kind of just fell on my lap, big bro. Hey, has it, has it been, has it been a difference? I know being able to coach at a high school level with your brother, has it been a difference? I know being able to coach at a high school level with your brother, has it been a difference in transition? Has it been difficult, you know, coaching at the collegiate level now or have you been able to adjust to it somewhat? Yeah, no, I mean, great question. I feel like for sure it's definitely been an adjustment.

It's a lot of things that's different. It's a lot of things that I was blinded. I was blinded like I didn't know I was in the dark, you know, as far as me, honestly, me, I never like, I played all these years, you know, and I played obviously in college. I was never one of them dudes, it was like, when I get done, I'ma go coach. So, so, so, so, you kinda are right, but that's it.

Like, now I'm in this position. I remember when I was in high school, I mean, college and the pros, I said, I would never coach. Obviously, because I knew how much time my college coaches and my NFL coaches put into it. So for me, I think the biggest thing is the off the field stuff, the X's and O's to me is easy. Cause you know, I was a student at a game and I always,

when it came down to football, I'm very football smart. I just think from like the compliance, the admissions, like getting kids into school, you know, in the NFL you ain't gotta worry about school. We going out there and playing, we ain't gotta worry about if the dudes got a 3.0 or higher, they going study hours, like are they doing what they supposed to do?

Cause you know, so I was far removed from that side of it. So now being in this position, it's like I gotta almost be a father to 90 cats. DJ, when you look at it, you know, talking to Coach Prime and talking to a lot of people that were great at a particular craft, be it a basketball coach or be a basketball player, football player, baseball. For me, I think the hardest thing to do is

because you put work into it, but it seemed like football came easy to you. You would bless God, bless you with God, get with speed out of the yin yang. You were very, very elusive. And the thing when I talked to coach prime, he's like, because I don't look at them kids and I expect them to be me.

What has been the hardest thing as far as like, because you were a great player, you went to Provo, you and all pro and all decade player. What's been the hardest thing to like the coach a player and not say, well, son, you should have picked that up. That's easy. How do you, how do you separate that? It's like, make sure you are, they, you understand that they're not Deshaun Jackson. They are who they are and you are who you are. Yeah. Honestly, the, the heart, the hardest challenge has been, um, you know, over my

career, the accolades, the stats, the provost, the All-Pro, everything I accomplished for me, it did come easy to me. So, running fast, catching the football, when the ball's in my hand, doing the things that, you know, the characteristics that I did, it came easy to me. So, it's unfortunate to say after I look back on my career, if I would have put in an extra push-up, if I didn't cut a rep short, if I would have put more time extra push up, if I didn't cut a rep short, if I would have put more time into my craft, just imagine how much more I would have, like, or how better I would have been at my craft. So for me being in this position now, the things I may not have done, or the things I made that took the shortcut out, I'm not allowing my players to miss that because I know the success

I had. And I'm like, man, if I would have did the extra and like, and not just thought it came so easy to me, like if I would have put the work in, just imagine where I would have been sitting at. So for me, I think the toughest thing has been for me is like, damn, I played at this high level. I took, I cut corners. I didn't always give my all cause it came easy.

But for me now I'm like, look, don't go do what I did. And what else is crazy is I see my players doing things I once did and I'm trying to coach them. Hey, don't do that. But I'm gonna hear it go me 10, 20 years ago. I was the one. Did that. Bowls head stuff they doing.

Yeah. Hey, the funny thing about it, when I think about it, being a competitor, Jack, you a competitor and you not too far removed from the game of football. You just retired in 2022. You're still able to put cleats on, lace them up and get out there and play. How are you able to control yourself? Because I ain't played in a minute. Yeah. And put me in a structured environment like that. My crazy ass is going to have an apparent cleat trying to demonstrate and teach and actually be in the way as opposed to

being a teacher and being a coach like you are. Do you ever get antsy and want to put your cleats on sometimes and show players what it should look like? Yeah, for sure. 100%. Yeah, 100%. So like honestly, man, I'm 38 years old. Some of these guys obviously anywhere from 19 to 24, 25 years old. So in this role right now, man, like I still train, I still work out, I still run.

Like I'm telling my players, like there ain't too many head coaches who's gonna strap it up with you around 100 and 50s with you. Like we on the track. Like, you know, cuz me the reason why I was able to play so long cuz I always utilize the track in the off season. So my players, we just was out in the field today. We had two 300s, we had one 200 and we had three 150s. And I'm out there running them with them.

I may not be in the front with them, but I'm. So for me, that's been the challenge, man, because when I go out there, we do the cone drills, we went through it and I got to show these dudes. Because some of these dudes taking five, six steps to get out their breaks. And I'm like, dog, you never have. Five, six. Bro, they take it.

Bro, some of these dudes is, you know what I'm saying? It's crazy. Because the other thing, when I got here, some of these dudes had no disrespect to the coaches before but I'm like, bro, how did some of y'all get scholarships to a Division I school? Bro, who gave y'all scholarships? So like for me, it's just like, I'm trying to,

I'm trying to put my eye on it. And I know for us to win right now, this not a rebuilding process. We got to win right now. And I know what it takes. So some of these guys, they just don't fit the criteria. So sometimes I do got to get out there, Ochoa and put them, please don't let them know.

I can still run a bench route. I can still run a curl. I can still take the top wall. We still do this big dog. Yeah, I like that. I like that. I like that. DJ, look, you love Philly. I don't mean personally,

and I'm considerably older than you, I'm almost 20 years older than you, but I followed your career and I know you love Philly. Philly loved you because Philly loved guys that love what they do and you love what you did. You get in the crowd, you're like, hey, get it up, get it up. Hey, I'm about to bring this thing back.

You get a touchdown, you run back within to the end zone. I don't think you ever wanted to leave Philly. You had a very public falling out with Chip Kelly. What was that like knowing that, you know what? I never wanted to leave Philly, but I'm gonna have to leave Philly. Man, I mean, man, I go back, man, in 2013, man. For me, that was one of the toughest things I've had to face in my life.

When you talk about adversity, when you talk about trials and tribulations, I mean, everything Philly meant to me, obviously, my family is from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, so I grew up a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, so when I got a chance to get drafted by the Eagles, you know, I had some family that actually lived in Philadelphia, because it's down the street from Pittsburgh. Absolutely. So for me, man, it was a bittersweet thing. And like now looking back, Harold Carmichael

is the all time Philadelphia leader in yards all time. And he had like 6,800. I'm at 6,300 in Philadelphia years and I played five years and I came back and played two years. So, or no, I think it was six and then eight. So a total of eight years, but in my whole career, 15 years, I got 11,000 plus yards. So if I would have stayed there my whole career,

I'm shattering Harold Carmichael record. No disrespect, because I think Harold Carmichael is one of the best receivers that played for the Eagles. But I look back, Devontae Smith, you got AJ Brown, you got all these dudes that, you know, their accolades, they coming up from charts. And it's like, man, if I would have stayed there, man, them charts would have been hard for anybody to shatter.

You know what I'm saying? To be real, and you know, them dudes are brawlers. You know what I'm saying? Devontae, I you know, them dudes are brawlers. You know what I'm saying? Devontae, I think he's, you know, him and AJ together. I mean, obviously, you know, when me and Macklin was there, Jeremy Macklin was there, we did some great things. I know T.O. was a guy that comes up, but I mean, honestly, man, what I felt like what I've done in Philadelphia,

all the big plays, me and Michael Vick, I can't even go back to Donovan Mnab, Nick Voes. I mean, I played with so many great quarterbacks, but I think that Philly break-up, man, for us as a team, what Chip Kelly did, man, like he dismantled, I think, a team that obviously could have been a Super Bowl team. Now we would have still had to go out there

and earn that and do that. But 2017, I think, had a lot of credibility to the old times of the Philadelphia. If you go ask Brandon Graham, Kelsey, Lane Johnson, all them dudes will tell you, me, Michael Vicks, Shady McCoy, Jeremy Mack, and Brett Selig. All them core guys are guys that when we left, they just took the pedigree and just took it off. Just how, when I was drafted, you had McNabb, you had Westbrook, you had Brian Dawkins,

you know, like that's the core of Philadelphia. We turned into the core, you know, we turned into that core of Philadelphia. So 2017, a lot of that we carried over, you know, they took that on and won the Super Bowl. What was the environment like when Kelly was there? Because it seemed like they had a lot of issues. You had the issue with the receiver at the concert.

I don't know, were you there then? Yeah, yeah, I was there when Rodney Cooper said the concert. Rodney Cooper said what he said. I forgot about that. And Chip had Mike to get up in front of them and accept his, like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, yeah. Don't put that pressure on me.

I got to see some things before I start accepting the apology. Hell, I ain't even heard him say that he apologized. He apologized. And you talk about Mike Vick, said, no, Mike ain't said nothing. What was the type of environment that he fostered when he got there, DJ? Yeah.

Oh man, at that period of time, just, I'll go back before the Riley Cooper, you know, that situation, but like when Chip Kelly first came in, for those who don't know, he literally came in and you got Pro that situation. But like when Chip Kelly first came in, for those who don't know, he literally came in and you got pro bowlers. When I tell you I was a pro bowler, Vic was a pro bowler, McCoy was a pro bowler, Jeremy Macdonald was, you know, a thousand yard receiver.

I mean, we had guys, Brett Selig, I mean, we had guys, and I ain't even talking on the defensive side, we had guys that were ballers. When Chip Kelly came in there, he literally had a meeting and he said, there's no starters. So you telling me you coming in to a team that got them type of names that I just said,

and you saying there no one's a starter? Like we literally was not started. Like everybody just was going and we didn't have no first stream, no second. Like it was crazy. So hold on. Jack, what is he trying to prove? He's coming into a team with a bunch of pro bowlers

that have been playing for a long time and telling y'all you all have to earn your position? You feel me, bro? Buddy was, he lost his, like day one, Buddy lost everything. Power trip. It was a power trip and like he came from Oregon where he has the success, but I'm gonna be real, like everything he was doing, we was like guinea pigs, we was like lab rats.

Like he would like, oh, put a heart monitor on it at nighttime, I wanna know how many hours you slept. When you come to work, I want you to pee in the cup and I wanna see how hydrated you are. I'm gonna put trackers on you, I need to know how many, like it was just crazy and like, I ain't gonna lie. I was one, me and McCoy, we was there, I mean Vic was, he had to play the role cause you know, he was coming off the situation. But me and Shady McCoy, we was like, I ain't gonna lie, I was one, me and McCoy, we was there. I mean, Vic was, he had to play the role because, you know, he was coming off the situation.

But me and Shady McCoy, we was like, hey, bro, we ain't doing that. It's some shit we just not gonna do. And so, so, so to go back to that situation with Riley Cooper, I mean, I can remember that meeting like it was yesterday. He literally, he said the comments. And one thing about Riley Cooper, like, Riley Cooper, he wasn't racist. You know what I'm saying? I just think he got into a situation, intoxicated, somebody said something to him and he just slurred that out. But like Rodney Cooper was actually a good dude, man. You know what I'm saying? Like I had a great relationship with him.

And when it happened, I just knew I'm like, Brent not like that, but it did happen. It did come out and however it came out, he may felt the way he felt. So for us, before we accepted any apologies, we like, we got to really see that this shit is sincere. So I think, you know, he tried to force that on us. He tried, they tried to patch it up. They tried to do a team meeting and cover it up. But it was like, when we got in trouble,

you ain't patching that enough for us. So why you, why are you going to go patch it up for him? So it just, the team did it, it didn't set a right for the team. Hey, when you think about coaching college, coaching football in general, as a coach, is this something that you view as something you wanna do long-term?

Do you envision doing it 20 plus years and maybe transitioning from college to the NFL? While between your clinics and stuff? He said 20 plus. He said 20 plus years and maybe transitioning from college to the NFL. He said 20 plus. He said 20 plus. I mean, hey, DJ, let me get through the first year and I get back at you. You feel me, man? I ain't gonna lie, but I didn't got a few grades, bro. I've been already stressed out.

What they got me at the university, man. You know, it's HBCU, man. We got a lot of resources. We got a lot of outspoken. Yeah, underfunded. got a lot of resources. We got a lot of out school accomplished right here. So long-term, man, I'm not gonna lie to you. I definitely love to see that man right now, man, to be able to have the success I had on the field

and now to be able to be a head coach where I control everything from top to bottom. You know what I'm saying? Like I ain't even no power trip type of dude, but just to have this control and to be able to say like that's a resemblance of me. I mean, it's a great feeling, man.

Every day I wake up, I'm rejuvenated. I'm excited to go in there because I'm gonna be real with you on control. Like I didn't think it was gonna be this, I didn't think I was gonna have this much fun doing it, because I thought about the hours. Then when I get in there, I get in there about seven, eight in the morning.

And by the time I look up, it's like five, six o'clock and then the day's already going. You look up, you're like, where did the time go? So it's really like, when you enjoying something and you're passionate about it, it don't seem like work, bro. And like, honestly, like the meat is, I'm a head coach. So like, I got an offensive coordinator,

they run the meaters. I got a defensive coordinator, they run the meaters. So I just get to dip with Dabalu and I don't gotta sit in the full mean. I don't gotta do installs. I don't gotta do like, I just gotta be a leader of men. And at the end of the day, I'm gonna make sure my coaches, that's why I surrounded myself and that's why I respect Prime so much. Because I feel like, and this day I'm not taking away from nothing that coach Prime

does as a head coach, but he's more to me, he's more of a leader of men. And he, you know, his intelligence is smart, but he put people around him for him to have success. And I just followed the blueprint that Big Bro put down. Shadour says that when he's a vet, he'll have rookie organize his locker. Take a look at this video, guys. I'm gonna bet what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna have a rookie organize my locker every day before he leaves. If Flacco told me to do this every day, I would do it.

I go to him every day and I say, hey, bro, you good? You need anything? Write him because it's respect. You feel me? I feel that. So when you came in as a rookie, what did the vets have you do, Tyron? Well, vets were pretty good to me, man.

Jari Evans, Ben Grubbs, Zach Streep, those guys were pretty good to me. I just had to get them breakfast every Saturday, food for the plane, snacks, toiletries. I had to bring that type of stuff to the facility, deodorant, body wash, all that good stuff. So trying to find a ride to Walmart, because Uber didn't exist in 2013.

So trying to find a ride to Walmart, get the stuff for the guys and haul it in to the facility. But they were pretty smooth on me. Yeah, that's what it was. I mean, they want breakfast sandwiches, they wanted donuts, they wanted chicken, they wanted Popeyes to come to the plane. I'm like, come on guys.

Y'all know, man. And back then, you know, we drove, we drove to the airport, but we had our own hangar. So you drive up, go get on the walk up and get on the plane. Man, you know, bet I was driving so fast, driving reckless, man. Trying to get there. was driving so fast, driving reckless, man.

Trying to get there. But I'm on a rookie contract, man. I can't afford no $1,250 fine, man. Damn. Yeah. I remember them days. I remember them days. I received a group, I mean, obviously the vets,

when I came in as a rookie in Cincinnati, man, it was love. You know, there was a certain amount of respect that I showed and a certain amount of respect that they showed as well. But you remember Darnay Scott? Yeah, I do, yeah. Hey, Darnay Scott, Danny Farmer was there at the time, Ron Dugans.

Pee-dub. Pee-dub was there. And it was all love. It was nothing to that magnitude, like some of the stories that I hear. Nah, we think the receiver room have the hardest time with that. The receiver room is always that-

Cause they don't be trying to buck. The receiver be trying to buck. It's always a hard time with that. We had a situation in Miami last year, not a big situation, but Tyree Hill had bought one of the rookies a Christmas gift and the rookie didn't like it really. Like, it's cool, but you know,

you Tyree I expect you to give me something better, you know, something bigger. You make it 30 M's a year, you know what I'm saying? And Tyree was really hurt by that. Like he was really upset that they got him. Hey, what did he get him? I'm trying to remember, it was like a Gucci cologne set or something like that. Some type of designer cologne set.

And this young boy, he 21 years old in Miami, man. He probably don't even have no cologne. He don't wear no cologne. He don't want that. He wanted to tarik the bomb something with a little bit more splash to it. Yeah, that was- Receival moment.

And plus you were singing. You know you gotta sing at training camp and not no damn fight song either. Ain't nobody go to your school but you. So you gotta sing something, whoever the latest is. Now like probably not to be Kendrick Lamar, Drake, or whomever the hot rapper is right now. Back then, you know, R&B was still big when I was coming up

and guys singing Teddy Pips, the guys were singing, Luther was singing Barry White. Yeah. Hey, they did the thing. Y'all have, did y'all have a rookie show T? Oh, for sure. For sure. Mike B. Downey, he was, he was big on that. And Sean Payton was too back in New Orleans.

We would do the song. Most of the guys would do R&B, old school R&B. I feel like the, and you guys probably have a different song, but I feel like that Undefeated song, when the rookie starts singing it, and that rookie show, the whole crowd gonna join in, it's Fantasia, when I see you, it's over. Like, man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, hey. He start that, you get to the first 30, he get through the first 30 seconds, he gone. Cause everybody gone, yeah. He gone. Hey, you know what, That song right there is like when the swag surfing song come on, it don't matter where you at or what you doing.

Sure. Everybody joining in. Yeah, you gonna grab somebody's shoulder. Swag. Yeah, you gotta grab somebody. Everybody. Yeah. That's it, hey.

New Orleans, what is that? Here we come to get you. Here we come to get you. Here we come to get you. That was New Orleans bad New Orleans. Yeah. That Superdome used to rock, man. I miss that place. I miss those fans.

It was crazy. As a matter of fact, you went to Arkansas Pine Bluff? Yes, sir. And as a matter of fact, when I was at Lang, you know about Langston, sir. And matter of fact, when I was at Langston, you know about Langston University, right? Yeah. Yeah, when I was at Langston,

we played Arkansas Pine Bluff. They came on down as a coil, saw steel water, whichever one it is. It was back in 1997. We played Langston my freshman year and Langston beat us, bro. Really? It was bad.

It was bad. I know y'all took the bus cause we took the bus everywhere. It didn't matter if it was three hours or if it was 12 hours, you on that bus. I was on that bus. We was on that bus, paired up. And well, see, and the way we did it is like

the starting offense and the starting defense on one bus and then the backups on another bus. Y'all ain't riding together? We did offense and defense but- No, hell no. Starters on one bus and the backups on another bus. What the hell you mean y'all riding together? If you ride the bench, you ride this bus.

Yeah, you're right, exactly. Talk about segregation. Oh yeah, that's right. Exactly. Oh, by segregation. Oh yeah, that's crazy. How they supposed to get better, man? They can't sit and talk to none of y'all. No. Cause we back there playing cards, you know, spades. We playing cards.

We, you know, we own one at the back of the bus. You know what I'm saying? We act, as a matter of fact, we wanted to go to the back of the bus, don't you? Yeah, okay. But hey, all of us, it wasn't nothing special cause all of us was black. We had what, our kicker was white.

So it wasn't no thing. And I'm sure it's the same thing with you guys. Did y'all have a white kicker or partner? Both, white kicker and partner. You see? That's it. Oh yeah, and a linebacker. We had a linebacker too.

He was a bad man. But that's what, you know, but you missed that. I missed, you know, taking those, you know, going to Tuskegee, going to, where's, Burlington, North Carolina, just, you know, you taking the bus. I mean, it ain't no plane, it doesn't matter if it was, like I said, if it was an hour to Georgia Southern

in Stakesboro, or you going to Tuskegee, or you going into North Carolina, it didn't matter, Spartanburg, South Carolina, it didn't matter, you on that bus. Yeah, we would take that 10 hour bus ride to Houston for Prairie View, Texas Southern, we'd take the 10 hour bus ride to Alabama, A&M, Alabama State.

My first flight in my life was, we got paid to come play UTEP. So we flew down to UTEP. They paid us to be honest. Yeah. That was my first time, I'm trying to think, what if, oh, first time on a flight, I think I went to Black College All-American, I think I went to Pittsburgh.

I think, maybe I flew to see my brother play. Oh yeah. But other now, but now you wouldn't take it. You would. But you missed that. Because guess what? We could stop by a convenience store. They like, man, the guy was like, because I was the captain. I was the captain. He sold the band.

Like, man, Sean, man, I'm hungry, man. Have Coach Davis to stop by the convenience store. I'm like, I like Coach, man, I'm hungry, Coach. Can we stop by a convenience store? Coach Davis looked at me and like, coach, man, I'm hungry, coach. Can we stop by a convenience store? Coach David looked at me and said, all right, home, we gonna stop. But you responsible for him. He already know what they're gonna do.

They gonna clean the store out. Oh, y'all had that NIL money back then? No, we had no NIL money. That's why he told me I was responsible for him to make sure they put issue in their pockets. No, they ain't put NIL money in their pockets. That's why he told me I'm responsible for him to make sure they put it in their pockets. No, ain't people in there ain't. That's why he told me I'm responsible for him. And I'm standing to the door, hey,

take it out. Man, I'm gonna use the piece of this, man. Ocho, how that gonna look? He ain't stop everybody, Ocho. I did. Yeah, yeah, you ain't see everything. But I tell you, let me tell you what I wouldn't do, because I was one of the few guys that had a vehicle.

And people like, man, to this day, they're like, man, Shawl wouldn't give nobody a ride. Bro, I know who had stuff would follow him out the store. I know who a bag of potato chips, soda, honey buns, Ish would follow you, walk out the store behind you. So no, you're not getting in my car cause everybody knew who I was and what I drove. Man, I just know they got in the car with Shannon,

it was Shannon Sharp. They ain't gonna say nothing else. It was Shannon Sharp. Oh no. Even if he had a little honey bun, he gonna slide you a little switch roll or something. He might have $3, but he gonna come out of there with $5 worth of stuff.

So no, no. He got some for you. No, he didn't, no, oh no. And the mall, never going to the mall with him. Absolutely not. T, what do you think about the locker room decision with Tua going through his third and fourth major concussions?

How, I mean, look, you can do all you can to try to protect the guy, but at some point in time, he's got to protect himself. He has to know when the journey's over. You can't, at no situation, should he be allowed, I don't know what he was thinking, that you gonna go head first on somebody, knowing your history?

Yeah, he definitely, he has to be aware. There's no question about it. And he is aware, but even more, and now it has to be proven on a weekly basis that he understands his importance and impact to the team, to the franchise, to the city. Without Tua under center, it's a different team. It's a different look.

But with him under center, I strongly believe Miami Dolphins can win any game that he's starting quarterback. So no, you're absolutely right. Except when he gets 30 degrees. Oh, here we go. Let's get into it. Let's get into it.

Let's get into it. Yeah. No, but go ahead. But with two, go ahead with two. Yeah, no, he has to know that. He has to know how much of a value piece he is and whatever it needs to do. But just knowing the guy,

knowing how much he love the game and the way that he prepares, man, it's that competitiveness. Against Buffalo this year, we're stagnant offensively. We get a drive going and he's trying to extend on a third down and try to get another first down. It's just, he can't be the one to do it.

You know what I mean? But it's just him being a competitor, trying to wield the team. Yeah, I think, I talked, Unka and I talked about this last year sometime when he went out. I just think he has to learn to fall a little better. And understanding the win, went to,

especially I remember that first down where he went head first, he still got, he got up. Yeah. It was like one of the moments where you'd be like. Ah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Hold your breath moment. You gotta know when the journey, ah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Hold your breath moment. You gotta know when the journey's over.

Yeah, know when the journey's over and then when he gets hit, knowing how to fall correctly. You know, especially when you go back and you don't try to do your best. I know it's hard, but I was, it's something that I trained myself to do is when you get tackled, you're going backwards, try not to let your head hit the back of the ground as hard as it does.

What I used to do is if I get hit hard and I know it's backwards or I'm going backwards, I would tighten up my core and try to keep my head upright the best I can. The best I can, just so I don't get that boom, that initial shock which causes the... That's the one though, the one that you falling back, hit the head, that's the one that's, yeah, that's the one.

Like if I'm getting hit, I do my best, like I'm holding the ball, but I do my best as if I'm bear hugging dude, you know, in a sense. Obviously, I literally bear hugging him, just saying, trying to keep my body and my upper body and torso as close to him as possible, even on impact, just so most of the force isn't the back of the head bouncing off. Yeah.

How you feel about them guys on the sideline if they jump out of bounds or are you trying to fall for a few more yards? What you think about that? It all depends. In his situation, he can't do it. Not even on, because he's too valuable. He gets first down and he gets dinged.

What have you done? Okay, you got the first down. Now your backup has to come in and finish out the ball game. Right. I'll give you a prime example. Peyton Manning. Once Peyton Manning hurt that neck, they never let him do quarterback sneak again.

Right. If you notice, they don't let Patrick Mahomes, since he hurt his knee, they don't let Patrick Mahomes go straight into the line of scrimmage. You see, you have to protect the guy. No, that's a fact, that's a fact. With two of them, he's gonna have, they're not gonna let him do it.

Obviously you wouldn't do no touch push with two of them. But second of all, bro, you got to slide, it's okay. It's okay to slide. I'm not looking at no quarterback, oh, he tough. For what? You're not used to taking those licks like that. And they looking to punish you because you don't have the protection of the pocket.

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