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Episode Date: September 12, 2025

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after you play your first $5 lineup. Prize picks. It's good to be right. Guys, for joining us for a daycap edition. Welcome to Canelo Crawford Radio Row. I want to thank Netflix. I want to thank the Fountain Blue and all the other sponsors

that allowed us to be here today, Ocho. Because of them, we are here today and we get to bring this Radio Row to our audience who normally wouldn't have an opportunity. opportunity to see us in this type of environment. So thank you again, Netflix. Thank you again, Fountain Blue and all the sponsors that's possible for the Canelo Crawford Radio Row. We have a ton of guests rolling through. This is early. You know how it is. A lot of these people are very, very famous and a lot of these people come on their schedule. They don't come on our schedule.

So what we might have tenderly scheduled for, say, 12, 15, 1230, 1245, it might be 1, 115, 1.30. but they will be here today. We have some outstanding guests on the card tonight coming through to talk to us about this fight. Jim Gray, who's a good friend of mine, who's covered the sport of boxing for 40-plus years. He's going to come here and going to tell us about what he expects from this fight,

the buzz that's been generated from this fight because this is one of the bigger fights, Ocho, that we've seen in a very long time. We see Bud Crawford going up two weight classes to take on Canelo, the undisputed champ at 168. So I'm excited about this. Listen, I'm very excited. It's one of the biggest, biggest draws, one of the biggest gates since Pachial and Mayweather.

So I'm excited. The buzz around the fight, the promotion around the fight, where Turkey Ali has been able to do in making boxing great again, creating fights that people want to see. I'm excited for the fight. Bud going up two-way classes, obviously, I'm kind of nervous. I'm kind of nervous. Being realistic, understanding the game of boxing, understanding the sweet science. They have weight classes for a reason. Yes.

But if there's anybody that can make history and has a mentality to do so and the skill set is Bud Crawford. I think Bud is looking at it from this standpoint. He's saying, finally, I don't have to strip down. Bud probably walks around at 180, 185. And he's stripping down to 147. He said, nah, I ain't got to strip down but to 168.

Yes. So I'm going to have more strength. I'm going to have more power. I'm not going to be in a weakened state come fight night. Yes. The thing that, you know, that you have to respect most about Floyd Mayweather, and people like, well, Floyd, Florida is a naturally small man. Floyd was dropping five pounds.

Floyd walk around weight is 155, and he dropping down to 147. So Floyd also, he trained year-round. He didn't allow his weight to fluctuate so much. So what you saw Floyd, for the most part, was his natural weight. So he was able to fight basically his whole career, 140, 147. He did go up to a junior middleweight 154 to challenge Oscar de La Jolla. But for the most part, Florida is a naturally small man. is a big guy.

People don't realize if you were to see him in person. You got to get up on him. You got to get up on him. If you were to see him in person, then you'll have a better understanding that he's not at 147. No. He fights at that, but he could have fought most of his career at junior middleweight or maybe even middleweight at 160. Yeah, absolutely. But I think the thing is for me, Ocho, is that seeing Bud really only have one fight at 54.

Yeah. So basically this is a three-weight jump. He fought most of his career at 147, so he jumps 54, he jumps 54, he jumps 60, go lands at 168 where for the most part Canello has fought his entire career at this weight. He fought Floyd at, well, I think fought Florida at 54 but he's been a 60, 68

fighter for the better part of his career and the question that everybody has, and I think it's naturally so. Bud is saying I didn't have to strip it all the way down to the bones to make 47. Right. So I feel stronger. I feel that I'm going to have my, still have my quickness

and everybody keeps asking me how is how am I going to take a punch? How are they going to take my stuff? I'm throwing, you've got to realize there's two people in this ring now. I understand that, but also Bud has to realize. We talk about Conello. Canelo is fought Triple G. He's fought Bevall.

He's fought punchers. Now, the thing that most people are worried about is him going up to weight classes and having to deal with the power. But Conello, Conello sits on every punch. And the timing, if it can time it, because in order for Canello to punch, he has to sit. Yes. He has to sit. He has to sit. He has to sit.

You can't throw power without sit. Exactly. and he sits and he telegraphs almost every punch and he he he punches with intent to hurt right every time right so a bud can can pick and choose when they engage win the box box smart obviously has a great great ring IQ I think he's gonna be okay he's gonna have to out box Canello yes no no no no no no no no no you got to fight smart that's why Floyd was a now he was younger when he fought Floyd but Floyd was able to time everything that he threw come back yes and Floyd already knew where it would punch him were coming from. So you're trying to sit down on punches and hit on Floyd. Floyd's like, I got something for you. That's how Bud is going to have to fight.

And Bud is going to have to look to counter everything knowing that the punches are a little slower when you sit down because they're not as fast. But like you said, he got power. Yeah. He got dynamite in his hands now. He's looking to turn the lights out of the building. He wants to put on a performance.

Yes. Because people like, man, Canello, you know, Conello is just fighting these guys and he's fighting these guys that are past their prime and that you look at his resume, you're like, yeah, but look at the guy, he's already, he had lost three of his last four fights. He was 36 years of age when he fought Canelo. So Canello is probably going to look out here to make a statement.

Because if he beats Crawford, he's going to say, what are you going to say now? Yeah. People are going to look. When you're great at something, people are going to nitpick. Yeah, absolutely. People are going to say, well, you fought Crawford, he was 38. You didn't fight Crawford at 30. You didn't fight Crawford at 32. You didn't fight Crawford at 20.

So they're going to find something to nitpick. They did the same thing with Floyd. They said, well, Floyd, look at who Floyd beat. But look at when he fought him. He fought him when they wanted to fight. And so I think it's going to be the same thing with Canelo, but I'm expecting an outstanding fight. The one thing I do know, he's not going to back down.

No, absolutely not. He's not going to back. So sometimes, you've got to swallow your prize and look here. I'm trying to win the fight. Are you trying to win the fight or you're trying to prove a point? Because if you're trying to prove a point, I don't think sitting in the pocket, going toe to toe with Canelo is not the way

to do it. I mean, the common sense, common sense and understanding, obviously going up two-way classes, they have weight classes for a reason. For those of you who watch boxing, who understand the speech science, you have to outsmart him. Yes. Technically, Canello is one of the most gifted, whether it's offensively or defensively. His defense is great, and his defense

at times is his offense, and offensively he can be a juggernaut when he's just unknown punches. But, ego aside, pride aside, he has to put on a boxing clinic sooner to what Mayweather was able to do. Even though their skill sets are different, he has to out boxing. Go back and look at when Ali fought foreman in the rumble in the jungle.

He didn't sit in the pocket. No. He let him tie himself out and then boom. Look at Sugar Ray when he fought Hagler at 160. He's like, nah, I'm not sitting in the pocket, bro. Hey, he flurried the last 15, 20 seconds, crowd going crazy to the judge. Like, oh, I think Sugar Ray won that round. Huh?

Yeah. That's how you're going to have to fight. You don't, look, prove the point by, look, I took it. this fight. I moved up two weight classes. I thought somebody that somebody had a low weight didn't think I could beat. Right. And so now here I am doing what many thought I couldn't do. So

at the end of the day, if they raise your hand victorious, nobody is going to remember how. They're just going to remember man, boy, B. Canelo. And he moved up two classes to get it done. So you have to be

excited, ecstatic about that. I'm excited about this time. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. We're ready for you Jim Jim come on we have a Jim gray uh Jim what's up baby

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Oh, my goodness. It's great to see you guys. Good to see you. Jim, you've covered the sport of boxing 40 years. By being conservative 50. 1977. What is that? 48 years.

48 years. I love it. My first interview was Muhammad Ali. I was a video tape editor. What was that like? I've watched the clips. He was so savvy with it. his wordplay, what was that like in person?

So it opened all the doors for all it is from me. I was a videotape editor. They were converting from film to videotape. Now we have all this digital, so people don't even know what film was, okay? And I was at the ABC Bureau in Denver, and all the guys in the union who were with the film, they took the buyout.

They took the union buyout, so they hired a bunch of young people. Yes, sir. I was 17 years old. Wow. So I was editing, I was in my booth at 7 a.m., editing the Broncos with Red Miller getting ready for the draft. and Ali was coming to town. He was going to fight Leon Spinks,

and he was going to fight La Al-Azado in an exhibition. Okay, at Mile High Stadium, their stadium back at the time. So they came running at seven. Ali's two out and a half hours early. You know something about sports go interview him. I was dressed like this. No sport going on.

I had a T-shirt, ran out to Stapleton International Airport, interviewed Ali. He gave me 45 minutes. Wow. Came back. First question I asked him, he said, you're doing this interview. You don't even shave.

Well, the whole entourage was there, Bundini, and everybody was there, and everybody started to laugh, so it relaxed me. He started to laugh. After the fourth question, he gave me the nicest compliment I ever had. He said, you sound like the local Howard CoSell. So anyway, I took it back, make a long story short, I was editing myself out. They weren't going to put me on the ABC. They weren't going to put me on.

So the head of the bureau walked in there. His name was Roger Ogden. He didn't even know my name. He said, I want to see this Ali tape. He stayed in there for an hour and a half. Yeah. An hour and a half. He got up and he said,

you and this videotape are going on the air, it's barely adequate. So when I got into the Boxing Hall of Fame several years ago into basketball Hall of Fame, I said somehow barely adequate ended up here. That's dope. That's dope. But what happened was, so Ali did the interview, and back in those days, ABC was connected underground by the fiber optics to all the stations. There was a man named Frank Reynolds, who was World News Tonight, before Peter Jennings and Ted Cople, David Muir does it now.

But he sat in that chair. He saw this go across on ABC, DEF. DEF was daily electronic feed. So they put it on the ABC DEF. He saw it, he took it down, he put it on World News tonight. Ali having a good time with a 17-year-old kid. Oh, that's dope. And Ali saw it in Houston on the next stop of his press tour.

And he saw it a good time. So then Ali had me come and interview him before and after all the rest of his fights. And it opened all the doors. That's how you got the relationship with Muhammad. It opened all the doors everywhere. And then he let me do his last interview that he ever did in public. on ESPN, we took Mary Lou Retton, who revolutionized sports for the women, Ray Leonard, who patterned his whole life after Ali,

Carl Lewis, who was still the most decorated track and field Olympian with nine gold medals. And we went the night before Michael Phelps, we went up to Stanford, we went the night before Michael Phelps left for the Greece Olympics in 2004, he'd never won a medal. We bet on him. And we did an interview, the five of us, America's great. just living Olympians. And at the end of it, Ali's last words,

we had a torch flown in from Athens, just like Ali lit the torch in 96 in Atlanta. We had the torch in. Ali got up out of his chair, handed the torch to Michael Phelps. He said, I'm the greatest, you're the latest. It's up to you. Go win all those medals.

That was 2004. That was Phelps' first Olympics. His first Olympics was Sydney. Okay, yeah. He finished fifth. He didn't win any medals. And then he went ahead and won all those medals. Beijing was the record.

Beijing is the record. Yeah. Then he kept going to London and then Rio. Yeah. Finished up. As long as you've been doing boxing, has there ever been a boxer that has been more media savvy, more creative, more charismatic as Ali? Have you seen anything even close? There hasn't been a person on the planet, Ocho, not a person on the planet like this.

This was the most, first of all, he was so accomplished. Yes. And he was excellent, okay? so then he had that ability to connect with everybody and it didn't matter whether it was the chairman of the board of the janitor he had time for everybody I've never saw Muhammad in a hurry and I got to go all over with him and he looked you in the eye and he cared he cared he wasn't it wasn't a one-way exchange

and he had self-awareness so he knew what he meant when he was talking to you and it meant something to him right so no you know him and him and Nelson Mandela, the most remarkable people I've ever met and been around. And obviously, I didn't know President Mandela, but I got to interview him, but Muhammad Ali being around him was just total joy. And Lonnie, I mean, just the whole, everything about him. Jim, you mentioned that the accomplishments, and he was a great amateur, and he goes to in 60 in Rome.

He wins the gold medal. And then was that 63, that he beat Sunny Liston? What year was that he beat Sunday? Yeah, 19. Well, when he shocked the world, and then he had the rematch, yes, 64. Yeah. And so when you think about... Louiston, Maine was the second one, Miami to first.

Yeah. Lewiston, Maine, yes. When he would, like, he would literally tell you what he was going to do. Yeah. He would go do it. People would like, how? He's so... And it turned some people off because we're like a least humble.

He was far from that. Far from it. Well, he had a lot of detractors. He had, you know, his stance against the Vietnam War. Yes. Like, he wasn't, he was vindicated by the Supreme Court. Correct. But he wasn't vindicated.

by the public until they found out all the information later. So the stand that he took was very, very unpopular. In fact, we have the Hall of Excellence, and Shannon, thank you so much for coming. Tom Brady and I opened a museum here in the Fountain Blue Hotel. And we have his gloves from George Savalio. And the reasons those gloves

are so important, he wasn't given a license to fight in America. He had to go to Canada. Right. To fight George Chavallio. And he called it his toughest fight ever, and he won the fight. But Ali stood up. he had a social conscience

he stood up for black America he stood up for all of America and he stood up for those who couldn't speak and he had a voice and he was braggadocious and you know now we don't even think about it with social media everybody saying everything all the time but his words meant something all these other words right now I want to say they're meaningless because we can't put people's words

into that category but they don't have the same effect as it had back then the funny thing back then is Ali did it And Jim, he did it at a time when it was frowned upon. Where you're not supposed to have that kind of freedom. Where you're not supposed to have that kind of platform, let alone power or voice. So anytime Ali says something, and he had such a way with words. He had such a way with words and being able to put things together. And it was, I don't even know how to put it in the words because I haven't seen anything like it.

That's why I asked you the question. He was so good at what he did, and he was self-aware. That's the only other word I can think he was so self-aware. But he can't smack dab in the 60s. That's the smackdown in the heart of the civil rights movement. Yep. But you know what else? And you guys notice.

Yes. What's the one thing you can't replace in life, and that's likeability? Yeah. Okay? When you were in front of him, you couldn't help but like him. You may have hated everything you stood for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay?

But when you were with him, you were smiling, you were laughing, you were educated, you were all those things, entertained, inspire, everything that you want. So you couldn't help but have respect. Right. Because you had to pay attention, and when, you know, you're likable, okay? You're likable. I don't know. Yeah.

You can't put your finger on why. Either you are or you are. If you're not, you're phony. Yes. Okay? That doesn't mean everybody in life who's not, you know. But, I mean, there's that it factor or whatever it is. You know, you smile.

Yes. There's Shannon. Yeah. Okay. I'm not, and I'm not comparing him to Ali, but I'm just saying likeability. It's very important. Exactly. It's probably the most important thing.

Mm-hmm. You know when you're great, when you're more popular in death than you ever were in life. You look at Ali. You look at Dr. King. You look at Malcolm X. You look at Abe Lincoln. You look at some of these great figures. And they were not, at the time they were living, they were never what they became in death.

It's an interesting concept. You know, Nelson Mandela got to go over and spend time with him and interview him. You know, he was a boxer? Did you know that? No. I did not know that. You did? Yes.

And you know why he put him in the quarry? They wanted to ruin his vocations. They wanted to wreck his hands, so they put him in the quarry. But he was a big fight fan, and anyway, he had a fight over there in South Africa. And he got to spend time with him. The great Larry King introduced me to him and took me to meet him and got to spend. And, you know, he said that Maya Angelou wrote something for his speech on reconciliation, which is the most simplistically brilliant thing I'd ever heard.

He said, people will forget what you say and people will forget what you do, but no one will ever forget the way you make them feel. When you were with Ali, you felt better about you. and better about him. Think about that. Yeah. How many people you walk away from in life today that when you leave him, you say,

that sure feels good. Yeah. Jim, this fight, you've been around some great fights. I mean, Sugar Ray and Marvin Hagler and the Tyson era when there's nothing like a heavyweight fight. Do you notice the buzz with Canelo Crawford? Is this what boxing kind of needed?

It needed it bad. The institution needs this. the best fighting the best okay yes they're not both at the same weight and Bud's taking a huge risk coming up and you know he's also getting well compensated and he feels that the risk is worth the reward and the reward will be great if you can pull this off

but it needs this yes we need the best fighting the best and we don't have that so often you know promoters and all these folks who get involved in this you know they've been provincial for whatever the reason and they've stayed true to their guys who they promote on their networks where they have licensing deals. This has crossed all of these lines.

It's on Netflix. The whole world can tune this in. Yes. The millions upon millions here. And it's going to be over the Legion Stadium where the Raiders play. In an NFL stadium, it's going to be the biggest crowd in the history of Nevada

to watch a fight. And look who's fought here. Ali's fought here. Holmes has fought here. Hagler's fought. Hurons. Mayweather, Pacquiao. Tyson, the great Mike Tyson.

I mean, so when you look at what this is, yes, the institution needs this. The institution has been suffering. And now you've got Dana White and Turkey, and they're putting together this fight. And by doing this, you know, it's bringing people to see the best. We can't assess what the fight is afterward. We can't say it's one of the great fights of all time until we see it. Exactly.

So we don't know that. I mean, I did a fight over here at Mandalay Bay. Greatest fight I ever saw, Castillo Corrales. Oh, yeah. There were 5,100 people there. And they play that back now on YouTube and all over when we were back at Showtime. is the greatest fight ever. Corolla had no business with...

Nobody thought that before, so we can't say what this is going to be until, you know, Saturday night at midnight. So do you think the resurgence of the sport of boxing is happening now because of Turkey's interest in the sport now and being able to make some of the great fights that we, myself, a huge boxing fan, do you think him being interested in boxing has allowed

now boxers wanting to take that chance and most of them not taking chance because they don't want that zero. Nobody wants to lose. It certainly helped a lot. But you know, the zero doesn't define you. How many games did the Philadelphia Eagles lose last year? Right.

How many? I don't know. What was it? Four or five? I can't remember. We can't even remember. Right. Okay?

This isn't, you know, boxing should not have been. Floyd ruined this sport. Floyd Mayweather ruined this sport. I don't mean that personally. No, he didn't. I love him personally, and I love his accomplishments and his achievements, and he was great to me. He was great to Showtime, and I'm friends with him to this day, and I admire and respect him.

But he ruined the sport because the only thing that mattered was the zero. Yes. Okay, and so what did that do to all of these other fighters? Everyone else worried about the zero. But we do that, too, though, because if a guy lose a fight, and we throw him to the wayside now, Jim. Well, it's not the NCAA tournament. It shouldn't be that.

I know. Look at when Duran and Hagler and Hernes and Leonard and all these guys fighting each other all the time. We didn't criticize them when they lost. When Sugar Ray lost to Duran, we didn't criticize it. When Hearns lost to Leonard, we didn't. criticizing. When Hagler lost, we didn't criticize it. These guys lose. But why? Why?

We're going to criticize them. Why are you doing that? Because I've been following the fight. I've been old enough to remember the 80s when they had the four horsemen and they fought the best fought. The best. It wasn't no ducking and dodging. In the 70s, the heavyweight Norton fought.

Foreman fought. We didn't get mad at Fraser when Foreman beat him? No, three times. Right. No, no, Foreman fought Ali three times. No, no, Frazier fought Ali three times. Foreman and Frazier fought once. That was enough. Yes.

You came down here, went through the road. That was it. I'll tell you, but we didn't diminish what Joe had accomplished or what he could do in the future. No, no, we did not. But why do we do that, Jim, you've been around this thing for 45 decades. I'm not sure where all that turned, and I'm not sure why. I can't pinpoint it, and I don't really.

mean to blame Floyd, but Floyd. No, no, no, Florida's great. Floyd fault. They couldn't beat you. But think about where the zeros have only mattered in a career. Think about that. 16, whatever, 14 and 0, then 17 to know Don Shulah and the Miami Dolphin. Okay, so then they, that defined their lives.

Yeah. Okay. Not that he was the greatest coach in the history with 347 wins. Right. It was the undefeited season. Okay. So maybe it was 72. Bobby Knight.

He's the last one, 76. with 1976 when they went undefeated. The Hoosiers. But you know who never defined? I don't want to interrupt you. Go ahead. You know who never defined themselves by winning? Or never mentioned the word win once?

Never once! Mentioned the word win to his team. John Wooden. And he won, what do you have? Three undefeated seasons and ten national championships and Bill Walton and Kareem and all these guys, Jamal Wilkes, came through? I think the difference is, is the era boxing that you're talking,

the air boxing that you started out, you think about the era boxing that we're in now, I think fighters are scared to take the chances because it ruins being the A side, having a loss or one or maybe two or maybe three, it ruins your purse, which you're able to command. So I think it's the financial reasons on why they don't want to take those chances. And I think, again, with Turkey coming into the game now, Dana White being apart and all the different sponsors and advertisers, I think more boxes are going to be willing to take chances. against opponents that are just as skilled, that are not as flawed, and you're not fighting inferior opponents anymore, and you're giving the people the fans, fights we really want to see.

I really want to see Shakur Stevenson and T.F.O. Lopez. Absolutely. I really want to see that. Well, you know, here's what it is. It needs a model that can work. The other model hasn't worked. If the other model worked, we'd still be on Showtime. HBO would still be in the game.

ESPN would have gotten out of top rank. Right. You know, we wouldn't have what we have. And so it needs a drastic shift to get to a place where we can see it. And what happens when this doesn't work, we don't have people coming up in the pipeline. Right. Like, because they can't get exposed. So if you don't know any of these people fighting, why would you go buy a ticket?

Yeah, true. So it needs this. And so it's at the right time. And, you know, and by the way, there's been disruption in everything. Look at the disruption in television and streaming. and podcasts and radio. Everything's kind of moving to digitally. I mean, just look at how everything has changed,

so boxing has to go with it. Yes. And it hasn't. And now the time may be right. I hope so. Speaking of great fight, speaking of boxing, there's a great fight coming up that I want to make sure that you're there to announce.

Unk, I'm fighting on behalf of us, and I want to know your thoughts on Jim. I want to fight Andre Ward. 10 round. 10 rounds, 3-minute rounds, what do you think is going to happen? Wait, before you say anything. Did you get to wear your helmet? No, no, no, no, I'm not wearing my helmet, but I'm going to beat his ass.

What's the problem here? He has a punchable face. Oh, my goodness. So I just want to know how you think that fight's going to turn out. Six months of training. We're going to fight here in Vegas. It's a very famous saying. Yeah.

I'm on your show, so I want to be a good guest. You don't play boxing. No, you don't. So you can't play boxing. You can play football. You can play baseball. Yeah, yeah. You don't play boxing.

No, you don't. You don't. I understand that. I think this one through. Yeah, I did. I did. I taught. Jim, let me ask you this.

If Crawford were to pull this off, where would you rank this as far as upsets in the world of boxing? Wow, that's a good one. That's a very good one. Well, it's not Buster Douglas because the man's 41 and 0. Correct. So it's not Buster Douglas against Mike Tyson, so it doesn't go up into that. Who we thought was unbelievable. It's not Rocky Balboa.

Okay. Some guy we never heard. of we we know but Crawford and we know he's great okay um you know perhaps it's holyfield over Tyson wow perhaps it's holyfield over Tyson the first fight yes not the year biting yes because i don't think anybody saw that coming no no and and holyfield was an accomplished fighter who'd done great yes you know cruiserweight champion and so forth and you know so that might be a uh a good comparison what do you think of that roy ruiz uh Roy moving up from 68 to, and he ended up weighing at 193, he gained 25 pounds.

He took the heavyweight title from John Ruiz. I'm trying to think of guys that have moved up. But Ruiz wasn't in the Canelo. Nah, not even close. What you think of? Yeah. He won one booty beat. Right.

Deontay? Yeah. Or whoever he had beaten Joshua? Yeah. Beat Joshua. What about Spinks over Ali? Well, that was huge. That was big.

That was big. I'm holding up to room with that. Again, again, that was a guy who had very little fights. Yes. And, you know, he was an Olympic champion, and so there was hope for him. Yes. And but, but, but Crawford is, but Crawford is, is huge. So, so, so, so he's not in the, he's not in the Leon Spinks category.

No, no, no, no. I mean, moving up and wait, look, it's tough. And Canello found that out against Bevo. Yes. You know, look, he thought he was going to pick a fight that he was going to win. Yeah. All right. And the guy was bigger and stronger and he had a better night.

Yeah. And so that's a hard, but I kind of like, I kind of like, I kind of like, Holyfield over tight because Holyfield was accomplished. Right. Yeah. Handicapped this. What do you think? You think it goes to distance? You think somebody ends it? Well, nobody's gone down, so I don't know what would cause. I don't see

how But Crawford can hurt Canello. I just don't see it. He might outbox him and he might outpoint him and he might do all of those things, but it's hard to see Canello going down to Bud Crawford smaller guy. Right. Now, the interesting thing

about this is Bud's three years older, but he's only fought half as many rounds. So he has, so, so, so, so Canello has so much more experience, but he's also been punished more. Yes. He's taken, he's taken on. And if you look back over the past seven years, you know, Canello's, you know, who's he beat? But then you can look at Bud and you can say, who's he fought? He fought Aral Spence after he flipped his car 19 times. Right.

And he was damaged. Yeah. And this isn't to take away, because they're only fighting. the people who are in front of you right right and so that you yeah we look we love to see we rewind the hands of time and put a a prime sugar ray a prime marmarmon you know herds and all those derailed but that ain't happening you got to fight who's in your era and and the era of fighters that we had in the 80s in that division in that class it's just not there anymore see we let the other one bake too long Floyd against packie out that was the last big fight that we had

really in Las Vegas you could say you know look wilder and fury I I don't know how Deontay Wilder, he hit that guy. I still don't know how Fury got up. That was Frank in time. But that guy got up somehow. I mean, Jack Reese helped. Jack Reese literally like counted to 23. You're supposed to be a 10 count.

I mean, come on. Who are you? Who am I? Where are we? Where does your dad? What car does your dad drive? I mean, what are you asking all these questions? You walk in and back.

Either can get up a 10 or you can. Either you can fight or you can. So Jack Reese, that was terrible. Jack Reese did a terrible job. that night. But accomplished official, accomplished referee, but that was bad. But you could argue that that was, you know, there was some compelling to that. But we really haven't had anything quite since Pachia and Mayweather. And unfortunately, that it just took too long and then Pacquiao had a bad shoulder and Floyd won the fight. Is that why we're getting all these

exhibitions now? Because boxing is missing and we want those guys to be able to fight again. And so we're willing to pay, we're willing to watch them way past their prime, a 61, 60-year-old Mike Tyson against a 40-plus-year-old Floyd Mayweather, or we get a Jake Paul fighting a Tank Davis. Is that why we're seeing what we're seeing now, Jim? You know, I'm always for you guys. I'm always for the athlete. Yeah. So I don't get into all of that. I mean, Jake Paul has brought people to the television set that wouldn't normally come.

Correct. He's becoming a better boxer, I guess. Yes. You know, I did his first fight when Tyson fought Roy Jones during COVID. You know, that was, and Mike put on a great performance against Roy Jones. And, you know, that was a terrific exhibition for a guy. I think he was 55 at the time, Mike. And so that was cool.

And then Jake came on the scene that night. He knocked out Nate Robinson. Yeah. And, you know, he's tried to enhance his growth, but he's fighting a bunch of people that, you know, aren't really, you know, aren't really, you know, know, in the genre of, you know, he's fighting MMA guys and UFC guys and so on and so forth. And now his next fight is against Tank. I mean,

there's what, it's 8, 70 pounds. I mean, yes. Georgia didn't even know if they're going to license it. I don't know. You know, we don't know what's going to happen with all of this. So I guess it's good that he brings folks that he wouldn't bring so they get exposed to boxing. But on the other hand, you know, this is what the game

is. You know, the guys who've dedicated themselves. Their lives. to the sport and again i'm not against anybody doing anything for their livelihood so if mike wants to fight i hope he doesn't get hurt people are going to pay to watch it you're going to get paid to do i didn't i didn't know this but jake paul had tremendous humanity he could have hurt mike and he backed off yeah he could have hurt him and he he had and and he had the decency and humanity not to All right.

So you heard it here first. What? Jim said it's okay to beat up Andre Ward. Okay. You need the money. You need to fight. We're going to be here to support you. You need to prove something.

Go ahead and prove it. But guess what? They gave you a helmet for a reason. Jim, thanks for joining us, man. Appreciate it, Jim. Thank you for being. Broadcaster. Thank you so much for joining us, Jim.

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Here he is. He's all the way. He's walking to the stage as we speak. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen. I'm going to fight him too. Oh, you want to fight him? I'm whoop his ass, chat. Caleb Plant, ladies and gentlemen.

I'm here. I'm here. What's up, bro? You good? Bro. Thank you, too. Tar. I got to sit beside her.

You will come through? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Hey, Tom. You want to fight? Huh? All right, let me know. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we have Caleb Plegg.

Joining us. Caleb, how you doing, man? Man, doing well. Appreciate y'all having me on. Appreciate you coming by. Obviously, we got Canelo Crawford. We got Crawford moving up two-way classes. Basically, he's only had one fight at 54.

So basically, it's a three-weight class jump because he's going from basically 47, skip 54, skip 60, going to 68. What is your expectations in this fight? Because everybody's like, can Bud take a punch? When he feels Canello's power, will he retreat or will he try to send something back? How do you think this thing plays out?

Well, I think it's going to be a good fight. I don't think it's going to be a snoozer. I don't think, you know, and if we were to take a guess at who, would allow it to be a snoozer, we'd have to guess Terrence because he's in the lower weight class. If he gets hit, he's just going to get on his bike. Right. And that's just not in Terrence's DNA, you know?

No. If he fills his power and thinks, man, I'm going to have to land something big or he's going to land something big. One of us has got to go. Right. Terrence is the type of guy who will go out on his shield respectfully because that's just the type of person there's. And there's no amount, there's no stage that will, you know, that he'll change course from doing that. you know what I'm saying so I think it's going to be a great fight we thought we're going to get that type of fight with charlo and it seems like when charlo felt Canello's power yeah all of a sudden he's like uh no no and but but knowing bud watching bud fight that's not buzz mentality bud is going to push forward now I don't recommend standing in the pocket but bud can box and I think in order for him to win this fight I don't believe he can beat him in a slug fest I believe he's going to have to outpoint him what say you I think that the thing about Terrence is he can fight left-handed, right-handed,

and just as importantly, he can fight a long range, he can fight a mid-range, and he can fight a close range. And, you know, what do I know, right? But I think it would be wise of Terrence that he's either going to be boxing on the outside or he needs to be all the way inside. He doesn't need to be in between. He doesn't need to be at mid-range. And when he's on inside, he can some other, but he doesn't just have to do that.

He can fight on the inside. He can box on the inside. He can take angles on the inside. But he needs to be close. So he needs either be all the way in or all the way out. And that's just my, you know, two cents on that. But at the same time, you know, there's a saying for a reason, and it's that there are weight classes for a reason.

You know what I mean? And as you spoke to, Terrence only fighting once at 154 against Madramov, which he won. and now moving up two more, but spending most of his career at 47 and 40 and 35. But with the greatness that he's accomplished and how great he is and how great, it's like, where do you draw the line in the sand on the tipping point? Right. And that's what I'm excited to see.

If you could write the perfect story with it coming to an end and your control of that ending, where you are right now in your boxing career and everything that you've accomplished, what else do you have left that you want to achieve in that story i think uh you know i think children give us new perspective you know what i mean yeah and i got my grads congrats by the way i'm a daddy of three got you know two here with me and um you know i think it's important that we show our children that even if we stumble even if we fall that's that's no reason to stay down. You know, you got to get up, you got to dust yourself back off, and you got to keep going, regardless of what social media or the world or your best friend is

telling you. You know, you owe it to yourself. And so just for me to add to my legacy of accomplishing what I can, whether that's another world title or, you know, there's big fights out there for me that don't even, where a title is not even involved, you know. And so I'd love to be a part of those big fights. You know, put more money in my bank account don't hurt neither. You know what I'm saying? But money's not my continuing reason. You know what I mean?

It's about showing my kids and my children what you can do if you put your mind to it. Right. Do you think that addition in the resurgence of Turkey Ali interest in boxing has changed the landscape of it, allowing some of the great fighters to take chances, fighting other great fighters yeah I mean if he's trying to bring it together as a whole and one whether there's not other

companies that may is that what you're speaking to yeah in a sense it just in a sense boxing fans like myself it was very difficult first to get the fights that we wanted to see yeah but so many so many fighters were weren't willing to take chances they don't want to they don't want to take any

protect the zero yeah but Turkey's not going to be able to change those fighters minds. You don't think so? It's up to the fighter. Right. To decide that I may lose my O, but me proving how great I think I am is more important than that. Right. And I did that before Turkey got here. And not that Turkey's not a great thing for boxing. But I'm just saying him coming along doesn't necessarily mean that he's going to be able to change everybody's mind. He didn't change Terrence Crawford's mind because Terrence has been doing that. He didn't change Usick's mind because

Usick's been one to do that. You know what I mean? Yes, sir. And so... I like that. I like what you said. Yeah. Chad, listen to what he said.

Greatness is not tied to a zero. See, people have tied boxes. A lot of boxes have tied greatness to undefeated. Sugar Ray Leonard and Hernes and Hagler and Ali and Foreman and Frazier. They fought the best because I believe I'm great. Yeah. Whatever happens, I believe I'm great. And if you think you can beat me, then let's get out there and roll the dice and see.

That's prove it. And, you know, there's fights before, let's say, before Turkey came along, there's fights that haven't gotten made. Some of those may be because of powers that be, but I can assure you that a lot of it is because there's certain fighters that don't want to get in there and be proven wrong. Right. And they're only going to fight fighters who they know they can prove themselves right against. But that's not greatness.

Right. That's the witness. protection program. But, okay, if you think about it, that's like, you know what, I can fight somebody that really challenge me. And there's a chance I can lose. And I can lose.

I can make $20 million. Or I can fight this guy. I know I can beat you made $12. Give me that $12. Yeah. Give me that $12. Yeah. And in the meantime, I'll continue to grow my brand as a fighter,

my personal brand. I'll continue, you know what I mean? By the time I do lose, I've made $300 million. I'm cool. I'll just walk away. Do you think one of the reasons that fighters don't want to take a chance of having a zero, you think it affects them being the A-side, affects their purse, affects the kind of money they're able to command when it comes to, you know, big-name

fights? Yeah, there's fighters out there. Like, for instance, you know, I lost my last fight. I'm still one of the most popular fighters in boxing, right? But you're a draw. You're different. But I'm a draw. But I'm not saying my team is doing this to me.

By no reason am I saying that. I'm saying there's other people out there who work in boxing who will tell a fighter, we'll try to convince him otherwise. Oh, you lost so you're not a big draw. now we're going to pay you this instead of that when you when you do put asses in seats and then again i'm not talking about me personally but there's people out there who try to convince fighters otherwise so that's one reason right they try to play it safe okay is there a fight out there that you won't that ain't a fight man yeah it is is it yeah why not get the people what they want

as a chat that's what they want to see Caleb playing versus ocho that's what they want yeah so I ain't heard it I ain't heard it but you he listening for it I mean hey we can make it happen I say we I train I train with him man no I'm saying I train him together

ran his ass out the gym on day one he's ready about the gym on day one out the gym on day one yeah I just I'm just you've built it up and you got to go in camp in different camps so I can I can so you take a little something no but that's something that I respect about Ocho is, you know, like, he's accomplished everything and done everything that he has in his

respective field, and then for him to come over to such a dangerous, treacherous sport. Yeah, you don't play boxing. And really care about the fighters. It really come be a part of our camps and not just talk about it, but get out there, and I've seen him do real work with fighters. I've seen him sparrow with fighters. I've seen him, you know, hit the bag, and a lot of us were in positions where that's, like, the only way we could even stay alive.

Right But it's the same for him You know what I'm trying to say It's like I can appreciate someone who can come from a different field And not have to be a part of boxing And he doesn't have to do that But he's out there doing it

And he's in the trenches He's been in the trenches with us Yeah Taking his series Yeah But he still stands no chance Zero No I'm fin of fight Andre Ward

Yeah Yeah No he's gonna Say what You're not on my side I didn't say that I'm keeping my comment Okay

What was you about to say This fight, Canelo Crawford, this is, you know, a fight that people really want to see. And we haven't had a whole lot of those, Caleb. Is that why you think we're seeing a lot more of the exhibitions? I asked Jim Gray this earlier. We're starting to see a lot more exhibition than guys making $10, $15, $20 million doing an exhibition. So you might have to go in there to exhibition. Would you get in there with Jake Paul?

Yeah, I mean. That wouldn't be fair. But you killed Jake Paul, man. No, I do want to say something about Jake, though. He's bringing eyes. It's similar somewhat to me talking about Ocho. You know, everything he's accomplished, everything he's done, all the money he's made, and then for him to step into a sport like boxing and put that work in with people like Coach Wade and Jay Leon and all them guys,

he doesn't have to do that. And I thought, man, he lost to Tommy Fury. Like, we about to find out if he really wants to do this or not or if he was just riding the wave. And sure enough, he stuck around. and, you know, he doesn't have amateur experience, so he is using some of these guys to gain that experience as he steps up, but, you know, you do have to tip your hat to a guy like that.

Right. But if you, your fight, so this is the biggest fight we've had in a while, and we don't get big fights like we used to. We used to get big fights down there every other month, at least two to three times a year. This might be the only, this is the biggest fight that we've had in 25. So who would you like the fight that, you know, we was like, Okay, man, we're going to come out, man.

We need to see this. We need to see this, this is what we need to tune in for. Yeah, I think me and Berlinga, you know, that's a fight that I've been calling for. You know, I think me and Charlo, you know, that's another fight that people who've been calling for. Yeah, I like that. Wait, what Charlo? Jamal. Jamal.

Jamal. Yeah, 160, and now he's moved up to 68. And belt or no belt, you know, that's a big fight. Because it's the fighters who make the fights big. Correct. That's a good one. but a lot of times people say well if I ain't fighting for the belt why the hell am I fight but everybody great but you're fine for legacy and you know my dad used to say people like

legacy or money the legacy fights are the big money fights is this a legacy fight how much money you think is attached to this fight all my biggest fights all my legacy fights have been my biggest money fights you can get both but they try to frame it like legacy or money right you can get You can get both in the same night. Yeah. I mean, if you go back and if you look at all the historically what we think are great fighters from Sugar Ray Robinson to Muhammad Ali to Sugar Ray Leonard, Armstrong, whoever, they lost. Berndo Duran got about, what, 16 losses?

Yes. He does? Hors hands? He went, now, Duran went like 85 and O, and then he started, he started losing. But when you look at it, though, Caleb, when you look at these guys is that, the old has become so prevalent. And Floyd, and so not everybody thinks they're going to be Floyd Mayweather. Even if you retire undefeated, people are not going to look at you like they look at Floyd Mayweather.

And not to mention, you missing up right off the rip if you're trying to be somebody else. Because guarantee, you know, you guys probably had influences and guys you looked up to in the NFL, but you weren't trying to be there. No, no, no. You were trying to be Sharon Sharps. You were trying to be Ocho Cinco. Yes. And if you, you know, spent your whole career trying to be this guy.

trying to be that guy we wouldn't even be talking right right you're right you'd be making me a hamburger right ain't that right so you won't you won't plan we can put this together I can kind of have my people call this people we can put we can put a five round that's disrespectful I've been doing this for six years now 10 even count a five 10 you want 10 right

okay we do 10 two minute rounds not 10 that's disrespectful to the sport look we'll do one minute round on three minute rest for you. No, I don't need no rest. I ain't stopped training since we trained here in Vegas. I still be going, yeah. I'm on year six now. So what weight we're going to fight it? How much you wait? We get catch weight. What's you weigh? Right now? Yeah. Like 230? You lie. I am. You lie. You're lying. You got a string hanging from your shirt. Oh, that's your arm. I thought a string hanging from his shirt. We do 68.

68. He can't get that. I mean, he won 85. He might can only do 75. Can you come to what? Can you do it? Can you meet him in the middle? I'm 205.

No way he can make a 68 with a knocking like that. No, he ain't making no 68. I wouldn't make that. 75. He might do, he probably about 88 now, so he might can come to 75. I'm 205. He ain't going to 60. I knew you weren't 2.30.

You're 205, huh? I'm 25. No, I'm, I'm going to focus on Andre Ward. I'm focused on war You won't even make it to me, brother So if you have to handicap this fight It goes to distance, somebody ending it I mean, so we go into the scorecards

How does this thing play out? Man He got out boxing That's it He's going to have to be all the way in Be all the way out Be smart Not

not exchanged in the mid-range too much and it's hard to say you know for me like I always give the boring answer or we're just going to have to see but when you have two great fighters in there you can guess what you think might happen but that's really all it is at the end of the day right you know what I'm saying

it's uh Terrence how to fight like that before with somebody no one could guess that things were going to go down like that right right you may him and Spence you know what I'm saying yeah you can guess but you know a broken clock's right twice a day, right? I think it's best that we just let the fighters get in there

and show us what it, you know, what it is. I like it. The question that everybody asks, can he take his power? Once he feels his power, will he retreat? Canello, I mean, when is the last time Canello stop somebody? And people are, it's like, can Can Canllo stop somebody? But normally, Canello is fighting people at 68. He's fighting people, you know, 68 or above when he fought Bobo.

But now he's fighting a much smaller man. man and he feels that he can sit down even more on those punches and does he try yeah it's like i can really really make a name for myself if i get bud up out of here yeah and there's a chance of that happening i think that's why so but everyone's intrigued now isn't going to happen we don't know now another thing is you know canella's got a great chin he's been hurt by miguel kodora's brother like 15 years ago but he hasn't been rocked much since then I was out to say that Canello can't clip, I mean, Crawford can't clip Canelo? Yeah.

He can, but we also have to remember, even though Canello is the harder puncher, it's not, in boxing, it's not about who's the harder puncher. It's about who lands the harder punch. Right? In timing, yeah. You know what I mean? He had some battles with Galufkin. Yeah, and Galufkin hit him with some, how he didn't go down from some of those shots

that Triple G hit it with? Yeah. Yeah. I still don't know. And, you know, even like Berling is saying, he hits harder than Canelo. But when they fought, he didn't land the harder punch. Right. Right.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And landing the harder punch takes time and distance, rhythm, IQ, you know, trap, set up. So just because you hit harder. Walk somebody into something, move it in the direction, and you catch him clean. It's a shot that you don't expect it. Anthony Durrell hits harder than me, right? Right.

Yeah. Oh. So. Okay. a player, ladies and gentlemen, he'd say, hey, you're going to have to watch this fight to find out who wins, but he'd say he can take Ocho. Easy word. Two-minute rounds.

Ten, two-minute rounds. Five, two-minute rounds. Very good to see you back. Yes, sir. Two-thirty my ass. You going to feel it? No. I don't see.

What you're about 75? 180 he's about 695 he's 195 now I'm 205 come on but you're ready

oh yeah I'm in shape like you're ready like 240 hell not you're supposed to challenge him to the run club huh you're supposed to challenge him to run oh yeah

I could go no we got a run club in LA I could do okay next weekend and we got one at the end of October here in Las Vegas it's a couple days before

Complex con. How many miles? It's 5K, 3.1. That's good. At our own pace. It's for the community, brother. I like that. Yeah.

I'll come. All right. I'm going to hit you up. Oh, I'm so glad you here. You have a revenge tour leather jacket? The best? Yeah. You like that, huh?

I text you. Can I have it? I want to wear it to the fight. Revenge store, baby. Plug it in. What is it? Revenge store. I'm going to get you right.

No, I'm serious. I want to wear it to the fight if I can. I'll pay for it. Okay. All right. Actually, I only got one. The rest of them are not in the city. Okay.

All right, I'll wait. Like not so Saturday. They don't get here in time. But I'll have you one before the end of the year. All right, I got you. Yeah, on me. On me. Appreciate you, bro.

No, no, no, no. I'm paying. I'm paying. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. I'm paying. Thank you.

What Tarva at? That was Kayla playing, ladies and gentlemen. Ocho, I don't think you're going to make it. What Tarva? You see him? Oh, yeah, he had the table over there. I'm intrigued. I'm excited.

Caleb Plans says, look, he needs to be all the way out or all the way in. Nothing mid-range. Nothing that he can find himself on the end of a punch that Canello is set down on. Yes, sir. There's something to be said. Conello is the bigger man. He's used to fighting at this weight. I think the thing is that.

fighting 12, three-minute rounds at that weight. Walking around at 168 is one thing, being in a fight where you have to mentally focus in, which burns a lot of energy. You've got to move, which burns energy. You've got to throw punches, which burns energy. Those are some of the questions that we're not going to be able to find out until Saturday night. Yeah, yeah, until it happens. Like Caleb said, you know, we can speculate, well, I think this or I think that,

But at the end of the day, we're not going to know until team, round one, round two. Well, hopefully it goes far enough so we can see how this thing plays out. And the funny thing, too, about the fight is Conello. I'm sure he's watched film on Crawford. Crawford has watched film on Conno. And you can watch as much as you want. And you get in there and it be completely different, round by round. Nothing is ever the same.

I think the biggest thing is what Bud told us. He says, I watch tape. Right. But I do realize this, that guy's not going to fight me like he fought them. Because those guys he were fighting isn't me. Canelo knows Bud is not going to fight him like he fought those other guys because those guys aren't him. He's never fought somebody that out, that, okay, when they go into the ring on Saturday night,

Canelo might be 190. Yeah. 109. Cannello probably walks around at 195, 200,000 pounds. That's possible. That's possible. But a fighter style doesn't change. No, no, no.

Even though you have a different opponent in front of you. Tendencies, movement. Yes. All that stuff still stays the same. Whatever skill set you have, it doesn't miraculously change from opponent to opponent. No, that doesn't. But how I'm going to fight that opponent is based on the phone. And you do know styles make fights.

Yes. I mean, you look, you fighting a guy that's big. Now all of a sudden, you're going up against a DB, and he don't got feet. Well, you know, you're going to round him up all day long. You understand what counter is. little db out there that's a hundred and seventy pounds you're like man i'm gonna do i would do whatever i want to do with you i might get physical with you i might do whatever because i can't i can't you can't do anything about it

yes but a guy that's big and rangy and physical you're doing everything you can not to let him put his hands on you yeah because that's the one thing the advantage that he has if he touches you now you're not like hulio hollio uh uh brandon marshal uh uh uh oh yes they wanted the guy because because they wanted to do this. Yes, yeah, yeah. You, I'm trying to, I'm dancing. You're not putting your hands on me. Right, right, right.

But it's going to be a very intriguing fight. It's going to be a very, very interesting fight, and I'm anxious to see how this thing plays out. The one thing I do know, Bud is going to be, Bud is in shape. Yeah. Bud is Bud, and I'm anxious to see. He's like, look, I've been fighting all my life.

I've been hit before, and that's the whole point of it. The likelihood of you going into a fight and not get hit. Only Roy Jones has only been in a fight one time. It's only in CompuBox era that's ever had a fight and didn't get hit. Yeah. But the likelihood of you getting involved in a fight, and that's the thing that makes fighting so interesting. Yeah.

Because anything can happen. Anything. You get clipped. It changes the whole trajectory of that fight. Everybody has a puncher's chance. Yes. Yes. And everybody has an idea or a plan of how things are going to play out.

but this is going to play out like this but then what happens if early on it's not going to your way can you still relax yeah and adjust so that's what's going to be interesting it's going to be interesting to see

we're waiting on Tarb he's finishing up over there he's going to join us here shortly it's going to be it because here's a guy that fought at Tarver fought at 6 I think Tarver broke in his 68 end up going at like

It wasn't a light heavy. So it's going to be very interesting to see how this thing plays, how it shapes up. But the buzz, you're starting to feel the electricity of a fight of this magnitude. You know, I don't know if you came to the Spence Crawford fight. No, no, no, I didn't. I came to the Spence Crawford. It was nice. It was crazy, huh?

Yeah, yeah. But people had wanted that. Right. People had wanted to see, because, you know, hey, 47, Spence was. what's great at 47, but, so we got two great fighters going locking horn. Right. That's what we, that's what we want to see. I love what Kayla Plants said, is that sometimes greatness is not about a zero.

It's about putting, it's about legacy. It's about fighting the best to prove. Right. Because you don't know. Yeah. You won't know until you get in there. Until you get in there. But again, his mentality is a little different.

He's taking those chances. Yes. He stepped in with the benefit. He stepped in with a Canelo. Yes. Other fighters at 168 or 154, whatever it may be, they don't want to fight great on great. No. They just don't.

And then they look at it. Man, look at, I ain't lost. Bro, but you ain't really fault nobody. Yeah. I mean, we don't, we don't hold it against Ali. We don't hold it against Foreman. We don't hold it against Sugar Ray. Tommy Hurons, Marvin Hagler, Roberta Duran.

Yeah. We don't. Sweet Pete Whitaker. We don't hold that against them. But you have to understand. Their era of boxing is. different. That's like we talk about football. Football was different back in the days.

When those guys, you just mentioned a fight, the mindset was different. This era, completely different area of boxing. Money, with that level of money has become involved. That's why you don't see guys playing the preseason. That's why they changed the training camp rule of those. So money, so much money has become involved. Now you're like, I'm not taking any unnecessary risk with my players. And so it's going to be very interesting to see.

Hold on. Talk. Oh, he's taking the pull. It's, uh, oh, he get ready to go to 520. Um, but I'm, I'm, I'm geeked. I'm pumped for this fight. I wish more guys. I would like to see Shakur and Tiofimo Lopez.

I like to see Shakur and Taint. Okay, yeah. Listen, what I don't want to do, though, as much as I, I want to see the great fights. I don't want the great fights to happen too soon. Because if the great fights happen too soon, then there's nothing to look forward to. I want to see Geron Boots in this and Virgil Ortiz. At some point, I think a fight in that magnitude is going to happen. That's box office stuff.

And I have no problem with fighters continue to build their resume. So people want to see those big fights. Oh, these guys in a prime. What are we waiting for? I mean, if Tank and Shakur fight right now, then what's next after the fight's over? Hey, who else is in that division? I mean, that's going to have that kind of draw. Like, that's the cream of the crop when it comes to draws.

Think about when Sugar Ray fought Tommy Hearns in 81. It's 81. We're in 2025, baby. But I'm saying they fall early, and they fought, and they kept fighting. They fought. Then here come Drain. Here come Marvin Hagler. So, a one, two, and three.

Yes. Okay, okay, okay, okay. But also, you have to understand the timing and when they fight. Right. To where you can maximize your purse, too. yes so but it's it's it's it's a chess match i think that's what that's what guys are doing they're maximizing the person yes yes uh they're taking they're not guys are unwilling to take a risk yeah yeah they're willing to take a risk and uh if you're not willing to take a risk

it's it's i don't know why you i don't know why you got in the sport then because they need that zero. I need to feed my family. I need to feed my family. I need to take care of myself. I'm going to take care of my wife, my kids. I can't have a zero because if I have a zero, I mean, if I have an L, a one loss or two losses, then I can't command the kind of money I want to. I won't be the A side. Right. I won't be able to pick and choose who I want to fight when I want to fight. All that changes once you lose. Unless you are a draw. There are certain people when or loss, you're a draw. Yes.

The people just want to see you fight. That's like Tyson. Yeah. Even after he got beat by Buster Douglas, people still was paying. He was still getting $25, $30,000 a fight. Yes. Yeah. When he lost the Holyfield the first time, guess what?

Even after he lost the Holyfield and he got suspended. Yeah. They still paid big time money to see him fight Lennox Lewis. Yeah. Absolutely. You know who else is a draw like that? Who that? Agent Brono.

When Brono was losing. Yeah. He was still a draw. He was going to. He's going to put butts in the seat. Whether you like him or not, chat. Chat, whether you like him or not, Adrian Brunner will put butts in the seats.

Yeah. It's exciting. For one, he's going to lead you with the talk. Yeah. You never know what's going to happen because it's unpredictable. Yes. So, I mean, it is what it is.

I hope my young bull gets himself together, man, and get back in the rings. Well, that's where they got emptied over there. I thought that was, I thought that was somebody was getting there. throw some bowls but uh so today is what today Thursday yeah so we two you know 48 50 but basically 60 hours away 60 hours from the fight I'm excited so it's it's interesting basically it's like the Super Bowl it's like all the work all the training camp all that's all that's done oh yeah yeah yeah now yeah now look hey

get off your feet you're relaxing you're monitoring your weight you're monitoring your calves that you're putting in the way end's going to be what the way end is going to be Friday you're going to the way in

the way it's going to be here aren't it is it here I don't know I don't think it's going to be an allegiance it might be an allegiance because it's too many people come to the way in for it to be here Yeah, true. It'll probably be an allegiance.

It's probably an allegiance stadium. That's going to be nice. I know that that's probably such a tedious process, too, once you come out of camp, like a week, maybe a week before the fight, you tone everything down and you're relaxing. Yes. That got to be tedious. You got to watch what you eat. You know, you can't, you know.

You're drinking. You got to how much water you're in. They probably load up, probably like, and then all of a sudden they just gradually take it down. Take it down? Yeah. that's why you know they're not doing a whole lot of talking

yeah they just now you just it's that mental focus of getting ready you know you're trying to play this thing out in your head of what's going to actually happen you know the trap I can possibly spring here I know where I know where he's trying to lead me yeah and that's the thing I mean because you constantly

you can't have one slip up one slip up and it turns the lights out of building yeah yeah that's it you got to you got to be on your peas and you're accused for basically, you've got to be sharp. Yeah, the whole time. And the thing you're thinking, one thing,

and he might be trying to walk you into the trap. Yeah, and you know what the funny thing is, too, what I love about boxing, if you pay attention and you understand what fighters are doing when you're watching is you can set a trap in the first round, and it really won't try to execute it to round four. Yep. I love it.

Canelo has some tricks that he's a savvy veteran. He has some tricks that he does. I'm hoping Bud doesn't fall. fall for it, always stay up in a high guard. Because the first thing people do is when some of the stuff that Cannella does, he'll throw that out there. Because the first thing you do is you flinch, the opposite way in which that goes. Right.

That's just little stuff like that. Yeah. That's the thing. They're going to be trying to faint. Yeah. Bud is an outstanding boxer. Yeah. Bud has power.

And when Bud gets you in trouble. Yeah. Oh, he see blood in the water? And we saw that, we saw that with Spence. Yeah. But Spence is a smaller man. Can he get Canelo in trouble? Yeah.

And if he gets Cannello in trouble, can he pull the plug and turn the power out? Hey. I'm thinking about some of the bigger fighters. Triple G. Triple G. Triple G hit him with some shots. I still don't know. It was like rock him, sock, sock, and robot.

man I thought you remember rock him soccer roll yeah yeah yeah yeah you pop his head

yeah I was like but hold on Beauvall hit him with some shots when he went up the 175 and he didn't go down

nope he didn't go down and he's a much more powerful man a much bigger man but here's the thing they can't put they can't put

shots together like Crawford no no no so that's the thing in the process of hitting him now maybe then

he doesn't pack maybe bud doesn't pack the punch right but instead of one shot what if he lands three or four yeah but then also you think about someone landing three or four shots on canelo whose defense is elite right whose head move is elite even though he's not swift with his footwork but he's great defensively right very great so it's going to be interesting i mean you hadn't seen a whole lot of people put three four shots together on canelo because if you go back and look at floyd when floor was catching and floor was one two one two yeah that's it out floor's like one two out because the thing is you know if you if you hang too long

you're gonna get bit yeah yeah so hey let me throw this one two move out of harm's way yeah um i'm i'm i'm excited i think everybody's excited to see this um there's been a while since we've had something of this magnitude and then guess what and we back tonight oh cho we we you know we got night cap tonight we got yeah We got, commanders, commanders packers? Yes. That's going to be a really good game. That's going to be a really good game.

A really good game. Really good game. Do we have any? But if you, and plus, Ocho, the question that I have, Bud really hadn't fought, but, like, Bud fought, he fought Spence in July of 23. Yeah. He fought this other fight.

So he's only fought twice in two years. Yeah, but I think for someone like Bud, a fight a year is good. A fight a year is good. I would think, depending on us, unless you're trying to stay, unless you're trying to do tune-ups, continuously tune-ups until you get a big fight, not that much damage. No, no, not. At this point, now, Bud is beyond tune-ups.

Yeah. But when Bud fight, it has to mean something. It has to make sense. It needs to be a huge payday Or there needs to be a title Attached to it And he's looking at it I'm looking at guys

He's looking at guys 47 Yeah Who am I going to fight at 47? I'm not going down to 40 Because they're you know Tank and Shakur And boots and roads Come on man

Yeah And they're not coming up to 147 to see me And I don't even know if Bud Wants to be at 147 anymore He might want to step to 54 But ain't no money Who is at 54? no money

who ain't no money there's some fighters at one 54 but not the purse but here's the thing who is he gonna fight because then he just ain't gonna just fight some what's our baby Antonio Tarva

I guess we got a meet him I'm gonna beat him I'm gonna beat his ass too what's up what I'm looking for extribution bro I think we're good you're good I don't do it oh Joe we're now to do it right now yeah we're gonna now 10 two minute round hey that's like what you need a minute three minutes three yeah yeah come

no no no no no listen he doesn't show me too much i used to train with tall but i trained him yeah i train with everybody oh yeah i pray hey appreciate you that's how i know i'm with you okay you see right here my man i appreciate y'all appreciate you appreciate you yeah what's up baby man i'm just doing them back you feel me on that desk um i'm excited bro two of the best fighters in the game today, bought none. Yes. Unisputed, pound for pound. This is it. Yes. You feel me? Man, I'm expecting to unexpected. Yeah? Really? I'm

expecting the unexpected, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa. I'm expecting to unexpected. Talk me through how you expect the unexpected, because we know what Canello can do. Baud is coming up to weight classes. They have weight classes for a reason. Right. You know I understand the game based on what you told me, the work we've put in the past few years. So I got a better understanding of it. Why they're weight classes. Yep. Why do you expect the unexpected? Skills, technique, all that.

I think it trumps the weight. I have a question. I think it trumps the weight. We've seen Canelo get out class in a boxing clinic, offensively and defensively when he fought Floyd Mayweather. Yes, yes. That's a different kind of skill. I haven't seen any skill like that.

The closest thing I've seen to that, no disrespect to Bud, is Shakur Stevenson. Right, okay. Defensively and offensively. Okay. Do you think Bud has a type of skill set to be able to get in there with someone at 168 and be able to pull off something similar to what Mayweather did to Conello, even though their style of fighting is different?

Yeah, yeah. He's the two-fisted monster, bro. That's the thing. You don't know if he's south or orthodox. No, he hit him. He knocking you out with right and left. Yes. He's a natural foulball.

But he got power in the right. In both hands. And that's so unique, bro. I was a hell of a South Park. But everybody knew it was in my left. Can you imagine if I had them worrying about the right, too? Right. So I think that is something that Canello hasn't experienced before, you know?

Right. And Terrance can punch. Now, he's not, he don't weigh as much as Canelo. Right. But the way he looked, could he possibly be stronger than Canello? Because we know he cocked strong anyway. Yeah. Anyway, he's wrestling with you.

Yeah. You feel me? Yes. So once you feel that innate its strength, bro, you know it's something different. It's something different about Cross. Also, you think about what Canello's been through. You think of some of the wars Canelo's been through.

Long career since 14, 15 years old, professional. Right. But then you think about the punter power that Bud might possess, can't even hurt Can he even hurt Canelo. Based on what we've seen when he fought Triple G, based on what we've seen when he put a ball, who pieced him up over and over and over, even with his slickness that he wants with his deep.

He was still getting hit, hitting flush. Yeah. never seen Conello get defeated like that. It seemed like he was outmatched trying to go away class. So do you really think Bud has the power to really affect someone of that size who's been through some wars

already with Triple G and before? If he can't hurt Canelo, it's going to be hard to beat him. It's going to be hard to beat him. If he can't get... If he can't get his respect... Okay. You've got to get this man respect in the first three rounds. Like, it's going to be nightmares anyway. Coming forward. Right.

You've got to give him something to think about, Shannon. Because if you don't, you ain't going to be able to stop him. You feel me? Now, if Canella is having success to the body early, that spells trouble for Crawford. Because that body don't work. You hit them early in the first round. You ain't going to start feeling that in the round three and four. You heard me.

But when you start feeling it, bro, you can be in the best shape. But the body shots are taking your conditioning away from them. But see, now you've got to be disciplined to do that. Right. And I think if Conello is having success to the body, that favors. Canello. Right. If Crawford is making him miss and making him pay, that Favis Crawford. Now, now

we got to see what he's going to play out. Yes, sir. With that being said, basically the formula to Bud winning this fight is basically just outboxing Canello. Matador and the bull. Bingo. Matter during the bull all day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Caleb

Plans says, look, he can fight two styles. He can be all the way in or he can be all the way out. But stay away from the mid-range. Because the mid-range, you don't want to be on the end of one of those punches where he's set down. Canello sits down on his punches because he's trying to get you up out of him. Yeah, yeah. But

I don't know if he's fought somebody that can put punches together like Bud can. That's what I'm saying. Other than Mayweather. Right. And that's been a while. And that's been a while ago. But Bud can put punches together and Bud got power. He got power. We don't know if he has power to knock

somebody that's 168. That's a natural 168. I believe what Conello probably walks around at 195, 200. He's Grips it down to 168. But he's a walk-around man at $195,200. Wow. Here's another thing.

Bud is a big bud stripped down to $147. Back then, we could call him a weight bullet now because we know he would kill himself to make weight. Yes. Look at his legs now. Yes. You feel me? I think he might be in his more comfortable weight.

I do too. What I told people when I see Floyd, they said, man, Florida, I say Florida is a naturally small man. Yeah. Floyd losing five pounds to make $147. He wasn't 50 to begin with He didn't make weight in two days Because Floyd, train, year-round, and he's not a naturally big man

So he didn't allow himself to fluctuate To go from 147 and then two days later he was 705 Floyd was a naturally small man So he never had to kill himself to make weight Now I agree with you I don't believe Bud is having to kill himself To make this 168 He's comfortable now. He's coming down from 190

to go to 168 is a whole different thing from 190 to 145. Yeah, night and day. Yeah. Caleb, like I said, Caleb said, stay on the outside. Stay either all the way in, in the pocket. Smother the punches. Be at a distance.

All the way on the outside, yeah, yeah. Nothing mid-range. If you were in Crawford's corner after the first round, you see how this thing, because it's going to be interesting because everybody can have an idea of how it's going to play out. But you won't know. Obviously, you want to feel each other out.

But after that first round, you have a pretty good indication of how this thing's going to go. Right. What would you tell? If you were in Bud's corner, what would you tell him? It's important that we're going to have to make Conno miss. I'm coming on my defense. I ain't running, but I'm using my defense. Making him miss and making him pay if I can.

But it's important that he don't get greedy. Yes. Get yours and get on out of there. Pick and choose. You can't stay too long because this boy got people. Yeah, and stay off the goddamn ropes. He got to stay off the rope. Oh, yeah.

Stay off the ropes at all. No. Now, Canello do a lot of good work in the center of the ring. Everybody think he's just a pressure fighting. No. But look at how he set that upper cup up against Mungia. Yeah. And then he knocked Berlanger down with that left hook.

He's quick, bro. Yeah. And so you can't let him line you up with one shot. Yeah. That's one thing Crawford ain't going to be able to do. He got to see everything coming and anticipate everything coming. Right. Don't get said with one of them traps that was.

Because he's sitting down. And the thing is, like, when you watch, I've watched great defensive fighters. And Crawford got good defense. I'm not saying he's Sweet Pete Whitaker. I'm not saying he Floyd Mayweather. But guys would throw a punch, and Florida's already moving,

and he's always doing this because he's going to miss this. You're coming back with this, and I'm going to hear on back. That's what Buzz's going to have to do. But Connell don't really piece together. He's not three, four, five. punch guy. He's sitting down on one or two. One or two. Yes. Yes. It's a hard one or two.

Oh, they hurt. He's trying to hurt. He's trying to break everything. Every punch is with intent. The question is that Tarb walking around at a weight is one thing. Yeah. Being mentally sharp takes conditioning. Moving takes conditioning. Throwing punches, take conditioning. The question is is, is Bud going to be able to sustain that for 12 rounds if necessary? He can if he's not getting touched to the body early. Yeah. You feel me?

You don't have to protect himself from the body shots, bro, because that's going to take your conditioning. Now, if you can't move, it's problems. Yeah. It's problems. So if you see Canelo going successfully to the body early, that spells trouble for Crawford. So you say he can't be on the ropes.

He can't be in the center of ring, so he basically got to get in the center of the ring. I mean, his advantage is in the center of the ring. He got to give him angles Don't run But give him angles Make him miss Make him turn into you

That's the matter Doin the bull Yeah Turn into you Run him into something There it go Because we thought this Man

We thought this with Charlo And then Charlo And then I don't know of this man And that still got to happen He's still going to have to Feel that power And accept the fact Hey I'm going to have to go through this

Yes But if that changed your game plan Yes Advantage Canello But no Hey When you were the little care. Your mom, your grandma

told you that was hot. You didn't believe it. You took it. Okay. I learned my lesson. Now, you said he filled that power one time. He still got to believe. That ain't hot. Yeah. That's just my figure of my imagination. Right. Because if Canello makes him make, and Bud's not

wired like that. No. But he'll I tell you what. He ain't going to show nothing. He'll have to knock Bud out. Some guys you can make that. Some guys you got to knock out. Bud, one of them guys, you got to knock. He won't turn it down. He won't turn it down. He's not wired like that.

The funny thing about it, when I think about the fight as well, Bud has to stay active. There are rounds that Canello takes off. Five, six, five through seven. He takes off, relaxing. Those rounds need to be active and understanding he does it with everybody, no matter who he's fighting. And then you have to be willing to take a punch to get one.

You got to. You got to be willing to take one. That's the gambling, that's the gambling. You got to pick and change. You got to pick and pick and choose when to do it. What are by trying to take, though? That's the chance. All the questions they're just saying, Tom.

I'm a bigot-a-choo win what I'm thinking. I ain't taking the upper cut. I ain't taking nothing that I can't see. That liver shot, that's nasty, bro. Hennie, you think Crawford got a chance? I think he got a big chance to win a decision. Now, if he could hurt Canello, that puts the knockout in effect. Yeah.

You know what I mean? I want to get you out of here on this one. When are we going to start seeing these fights? again because Roy didn't have to give you another back then the oh was unimportant it seems to be now the oh is of the utmost importance I don't want to fight somebody because if I fight somebody with a oh and he I got an oh and he got an oh that means somebody going to lead the ring where they're not going to have their oath and people are trying greatness too much greatness to owe everybody think they're going to be Floyd mayweather but I want to share these boxes now

even if you retire undefeated you're not going to be Floyd mayweather I agree with that I think it's just I never bro was trying to protect nothing I was trying to get it and prove that I am that guy I'm him yeah

and the only way you can do that is fight those guys ranked above you yeah you feel me and if those guys ain't ranked above you then what we're doing I'm trying to move up right and the only way I can move up is fight somebody that's ranked above me

right we don't got enough of that though Natara I know man something happened in the game where I don't know Bro, it's like, you say risk over reward, but nobody's taking no risk anymore, bro. But if you know what I like,

I like the fact that Turkey is now in boxing, and because he's bringing such a bigger reward, people are willing to take the risk. Yes, sir. That's it. That's it. But here's the thing. If I got an opportunity to fight somebody,

I know I can beat, and I can make 15, or I can fight somebody that there's a 50-50 chance to make 30, I'm going to make that 15. I hear. Because now, you look at, I mean, it used to losses didn't matter in boxing. With sugar rate loss, with Hurds lost, with Hagman loss, with DeRan loss, with Rann loss, with Holly loss, with farming, with sweet meat.

It didn't matter. It didn't matter. Now all of a sudden, if you lose, he ain't no good. That's a lot. I think Mayweather put that, that, he raised a ceiling on that. And I think that's where everybody. But you're not going to be Mayweather. I know, bro.

And like, even Mayweather undefeated, though. He's never been undisputed. Right. You feel me? Yeah. And if this man can. win undisputed for the third time yeah bro i'm giving him the goat go i don't care who you is in the four bell there he the goat bro yeah and he beat so canelo avaraz to do it bro got to take a hat off

to him man legacy cemented Antonio tarva ladies gentlemen man man i appreciate you god thank for having man let me get on bro bring me in the neck whenever you're ready whenever you're ready i got you got you got you got i got you can do the recap yeah right i got you to recap i got man god bless you Stay up, man. Good for you, bro. My guy. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin.

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