Club Shay Shay - Club 520 - DeMarcus Cousins on Anthony Davis & Pelicans, John Wall at Kentucky, GOAT John Calipari

Episode Date: September 9, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 100 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by DeMarcus Cousins, reflecting on the NBA career of one of the best big men of this era. Boogie talks about getting recruited by John Calipari and playing alongside John Wall for one of the greatest college basketball coaches of all time. The guys discuss the New Orleans Pelicans team which featured Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, Rajon Rondo, and Jrue Holiday. The guys all agree that the Pelicans were one of the most underrated rosters of all time. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know, resort's world, Vegas. Yeah. That hesitation almost cost us our sponsorship. Hey, we trapping out here in the basement, you know what's going on, club 520. Special, special guest to my left, we're gonna introduce my man's last to my far left. We got my dog, Bishop B,

heading out to Pearlies, how you what, nasty? Cool, nasty, let's get to it. There's that nigga on the spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We started off Saturday with a bang, baby, at least how you would nasty. Cool and nasty, let's get to it. There's that nigga on the spot. It is, what do you got? We started off Saturday with a bang baby and the Cubs. I know you keep your feet proper. I've never seen a black forces with a white laces before. Nah, I haven't, but you know, I'm not mad at it though.

I ain't mad at it, buddy. What size you wear, 16? I'm a 16. Yeah, we'll get you together. I ain't mad at it. We'll get you together. I'm seeing your period, you feel me? OK, for sure. Express shipping. If you see somebody walking over those, he might gently rob you, you know what I'm a 16. I'm a 16. Yeah, we'll get you together. I ain't mad at him. We'll get you together. I'm a senior pair, you feel me? Okay, for sure.

Express shipping. If you see somebody walking over those, he might gently rob you, you know what I'm saying? He ain't no. Nah, nah, nah. Nah, nah, nah, Cubs could've got that off with that fit today. Yeah, that's what I'm mad at, yeah.

I'm mad at him. We'll get you this. I seen Cubs hoop. He got some moments where he could wear it out. He got some moments where he could wear it out. That one went right in the second one. Yeah. That black king's jersey for sure.

Hell of a combo to my right, my dog, Young Nacho, Young Tig, how you what, man? I'm chillin', bro. Hype, bro. I'm a fan of our guest, bro. I'm so excited to hear it, man. We'll be trying to get him on the show for a minute, so it's cool for sure. Hell yeah, man. Listen, man, this episode we've been looking for for a long time, man. One of the coldest bigs to ever hoop you know I'm

saying Kentucky legend big man you know what it is the Marcus Cousins big Cous appreciate you sliding on this big dog. Thank you guys thank you man I appreciate y'all boys having me man I love y'all platform what y'all doing is dope as hell and you know you have my full support. I appreciate any athlete that you know is brave enough to go out and use his voice on everyday basis So I applaud you bro. Appreciate that bro. I just got one thing to say before we start be in You and Melo for sure. Yeah

Heated arguments bro. That's our life. That's our arguments. I'm like yeah. And that's the dope part about this platform for us is like we get to you know what I'm saying, show love to the people like we fucking, because we really like basketball, but you legit legit one of his favorite players bro. So this is a dope moment just for us to happen man. Yeah for sure.

For sure bro. Let's get this shit cracking. Man, you already in Vegas with that miss 185 degrees, nine in the morning shots, everybody in Vegas holding down, y'all got the toughest skin on earth. For sure. We're gonna take it back, man, high school days, man. You know what I'm saying, growing up,

where you was that dude where you was that, how was it to, you know what I'm saying, to be appointed where you were part of that like inaugural Kentucky recruitment situation? Damn. You know, it was dope, bro. And I think it was even more special because the group that was coming in,

like, you know, how we came in, you know, from our backgrounds, you know, it's different types of kids that, you know, come into, you know, that collegiate level. And it just so happened that we were, you know, really, really similar and me, John, and Eric. It was really dope to go into a situation

that we really didn't know what we were getting ourselves into, because originally our plan was to go to Memphis. You know what I'm saying? So we were Memphis kids, if that made sense. You know what I'm saying? So. So. So, uh. Chelsea, Chelsea, Drew, and Dorsey. So, you know, for things to kind of switch on the fly

the way they did with Cal, you know, making that move to Kentucky. I mean, obviously we wanted to play for Cal, but, you know, going to Kentucky in that moment in time when Kentucky was kind of, you know, it was still a very prestigious school. It was still one of the most popular schools, but it was in a very low period when it came to

Tubby's last year's there. They weren't quite having the success. When it came to kids picking schools, Memphis had just became the hot spot, but Cal leaving, so it was you know kids were kind of trying to Follow Cal, but outside of that. You know it was the typical hotspots, Kansas Duke You know Carolina was still you know very popular school So you know though UCLA USC things like that so Kentucky wasn't really

ringing like it was in our time, you know what I mean? So for us to kind of go there and you know, just get that blood flowing, that blue blood flowing again. And you know, this for me is definitely one of the most special times in my life when it came to playing basketball. The way they accepted us, the way they embraced us, they allowed us to just be ourselves. And we went out there and we not only won games for the university and the school and the fans, but we set a standard that kind of was everlasting

for that period of time, Cali period was there. And we've had conversations with Cal and he thanks us all the time, because Kyle doing what he did, it took a special group like that to keep this, you know, that machine running. And, you know, obviously we didn't win a championship, but, you know, the blueprint we kind of set

for everybody coming behind us was, you know, even more impactful than actually winning a championship. So we'll always have our special place, you know, was even more impactful than actually winning a championship. So we'll always have our special place in history when it comes to that UK era. So it was really dope, man. It was really dope. At 2012, Team Saddam beat your ass though.

Shout out to Moog. Moog, dog. Shout out to Lil Bro. What up, bro? There ain't no Moog though, man. It bro? I know Moog though man. Moog my dog. I was kicking it with Moog during lockout years.

Moog a wild boy bro. Who's going to guard AD? Who's going to guard him? Who's going to guard him? Michael Kidd Gielkers. Yeah, who's going to guard him? He was the number one point guard of his class as well. Who gives a shit? We had the number one pick in the draft, bro. What are you talking about?

They had two though, they had AD. We had a number five, we matched up. Perfect. They had number two. I had Gilly. Who? They had Gilly. Gilly, they had T. Jones. We had Patrick Patterson. They had T. Jones. They had T. Jones. We had Patrick Patterson. They had T. Jones. Hey, it wasn't enough. That's a good one. What about that team with Kat and them though? They had a fly.

They had a whip. That might have been the most talented team to come show you, bro. And they had like three star and five. No, it was crazy. Yeah, that was really talented. You book off the bitches crazy. But the thing about college,

you can always sit there and be like, well we the only team that wanna chip. Well we know like college, the best team don't always win. The best team that night wins. So it ain't necessarily the truth when it comes to, yeah we wanna chip, the other team didn't. When we line that thing up,

it's gonna go our way, I promise. That's crazy, I had that much talent go to that school, bro. And that's why I asked that question because now you see Kyle rebranding himself in Arkansas, kind of the same situation to where everybody was, all right, Memphis was the standard. We saw D-Rose, about Tariq, all right, I want to be like that. Y'all set the tone for a lot of different things. I think y'all deserve more flowers because y'all were really pioneers in the aspect of coming in and being that one andand-done situation that era

Like maybe not as culturally impactful as like the Fab Five But y'all would like that for kids in that generation to come and actually play together for a common goal Because y'all play for each other and you don't ever see too many recruits and y'all stature at that time period who was doing this So that's what's super dope and I know obviously you can tuck it to the core But how is it now to see Cal, you know what I'm saying, get the wheels back rolling in a different situation? Well, I mean, that's Kyle. That's kind of expected, man.

You know, I've got the utmost respect for Kyle, just the way he carries himself, the way he goes about business, the way he approaches relationships with, you know, the people that he choose to have relationships with. So, I appreciate, you know appreciate everything that comes with Kyle. So to see him go to the next program in the first year, obviously they haven't played yet,

but just with the talent that he's brought in in just this short amount of time, shows you the impact that Kyle has put on college basketball. So he's well respected with each generation. You know, and sometimes coaches kind of get lost in their generations. This guy has found a way to flow through each generation and actually be successful within those generations.

And success isn't just winning a championship in college. Like I said, the best team that night wins. So you can't determine success off necessarily championships in college because it's that hard to win. And on any given night, it's anybody's night. I hate that narrative when they try to, well, he's only got this many.

It's bigger than that when it comes to college basketball. So, you know, I thought. Let's college basketball. So he changed many families lives. You said it again? He changed many families lives. Absolutely, bro. And I've been on record talking about that conversation, but just him with me deciding to go to the NBA and the conversation we had, it's just like, look.

And in my mind, I'm like, Coach, I'm trying to come back. I want to win a chip in college. You feel that way. You fall in love with the to come back I want to win a chip in college like you know you you feel that way you you that means a love with the place like You you you really want to win for that university So that's where I was at the end of the season and cows like look dude If you want to take care of my family, you're gonna stay if you want to take care of yours you out of you It's real. That's all I needed here. You know what I mean? So real and It takes a coach like that to understand both sides of this thing.

Cause you know, we've all heard the horror stories of coaches holding guys back. And they miss that opportunity to get to that next level because it's not always guaranteed. You could just come back and then you the hot thing. That's not how it works. When you hot and they like you, you have to, you have to cut that straight.

Because that next year, then they start picking you apart. Well, he can't do this necessarily. So it gets a little tougher going year to year. So Kyle understands that. He understands both sides. He knows how to remain successful with doing what he does and he knows how to make these guys that play for him become successful long time.

And that's really what it's about. That's right. I gotta ask, I mean we know, you know what I'm saying, he was well taken care of regardless of how he was gonna take it, but imagine now if y'all had the official, official NIL situation. Oh my God. What you, I would have stayed four years, I tell you that.

How much you think you would have got Especially in Kentucky come on man And it's not necessarily because you know, I think we was the hot shit I put timing into it and everything just just the timing of it You know us kind of being that team to lift Kentucky back up out of the shadows, if you want to say it. That's facts. How much these kids getting? I saw, what's the, the big game from Kansas got two million transfer, right?

I say, are you yuck? Y'all done got five, come on. Yeah, y'all done got five. Getting two LAMs to transfer is crazy. To leave? I see y'all getting five. If you would have came back for your sophomore season, you would have got five million. Yeah what I'm getting for my junior season Well, you ain't gonna be there. Yeah

I'm getting more than the rookie contract. Why not? Now you're gonna be tough. I regardless you'd have one even gonna let you stay today long, bro Okay, I won't leave stay for you. You really out of pocket for wanting to stay. You damn near really too old to still be kicking on campus all day morning. You want to be rich and relaxin' to. I ain't mad at you. But I was like, fam, Zach, if you really want to be 24 and rich on college campus, go to the league. Where is that?

Oh, Tripp. Man, I don't know. I ain't never rich enough to pass up on no money. I'm just saying that you had, it's not like that's it, that's all for you. You was the number one pick regardless. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't the number one pick.

Bro, outside of John, you was gonna go number one. Nah, I didn't. I didn't. Because you left with him. No, no, no, no. You was definitely running for number one pick. Yes, bro. If you would've came back there next year. That's how I'm like. You was definitely running for number one pick. Yes, bro. If you would've came back there next year.

That's how it ended up coming. But for me, it was, you know, me going into college, I wasn't the guy where it was like, oh, he's guaranteed. That wasn't my position. Like, it ended up happening for me throughout the season. Me initially, it's like, I got comfortable in that situation after we lost. It's like I'm comfortable here, like also I wanna win.

Like, and then for me, the NBA was just, I never really thought I was ready. You know what I mean? I knew I was talented, but I'm looking at guys like Ben Wallace and shit. I'm like, man, they ain't got a chance in hell, bro. You know what I mean? You're looking at Shaq, Tim Dunn, these little these looks huge bro. So, that was never really my reality, but you know, by the end of that year, things

changed for me and like I said, the conversation definitely put things in perspective for me with Kyle, so you know, I made that joke. Who'd you model your game after though, growing up? Because to me, I feel like you was one of the first stretch bigs that could really handle the ball like that. I don't really know anybody before you that could really play outside the three point line like that. For me, I kind of say my game, it's like a mutt. Like, you know what I mean?

I never had a favorite team growing up. I'm from Alabama, we don't have a professional team. I had a lot team growing up. I'm from Alabama. We don't have a right. So I had a lot of favorite players. So obviously my number one was Carmelo Anthony. I could see that. The way he moved with the ball, his size, the physicality, the finesse, the combination of both, I fell in love with.

Maurice Stoudemire, the same type guy. Obviously I love Shaq with just his dominance and the intimidation that he played with. I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter.

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I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a fighter, I'm not a fighter. I'm not a to, you know, being Amari's camp growing up as a kid. So I got to know Amari, even the high socks, I took that from Amari and Mello, like young Mello. So, you know, I got a chance to pick his brain as a young kid, which really helped. And I could see the way he used his feet more so than his his usual athleticism.

It was more in the feet with getting around people and being crafty with that. I just took a lot of things that I saw from players that I liked and I just kind of combined it into my game. These were the results of it. It was a monster, bro. He came on the scene as a rookie and was dominant. I'm like, damn. I used to say when we played, I'm like, I'm gonna go somewhere. It was a monster, bro. He came on the scene as a rookie and was dominant. I'm like, damn.

I used to say when we played, I'm like, man, if he get in shape, because rookie year used to get tired. I'm like, if he get in shape, he gonna average 30. Like, he too good. And I remember Al Horvath saying, this motherfucker is nice. He nice. And I'm like, Al?

He like, no, yeah, Al don't cuss. No, he was like, he's nice, bro, he's nice. He was like, man, we gotta stay away from him. He gotta stay in the west, we gotta stay in the west. You know what I'm saying? He nice, I mean, he really nice though. Yeah, for sure. I appreciate that, for sure.

Yeah, me and Al definitely had some battles. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you weren't telling me that, I'll tell you that. Nah, hell nah. But you know when we get in the locker room, he like, nah, he nice bro. That's what's up. Because that's how I felt about John,

like you know when you come in the league I'm like, man, you about to do all that running fast shit the first game she damn near had He had his best game against us. It was like a second game when he heard think he had like 25 and like 10 I like yep Stay away from that. Yeah, dude was a lightning bolt That's crazy, that's probably one of the few people league who was probably just as fast if not faster than you Yeah, but he had Reeboks on so I was like nah. Zig-Tag.

Nah, ain't no way he about to get busy enough. He got busy though. That's funny, the Reebok era. That was the last era of the nasty team, Ayushu. You had the Reeboks with the Adidas with the Pro models, Pat Leathers. Yeah, it was bad times, but. We definitely came up in the nasty years. Oh, for sure.

Nah, we had Harajis. Yeah, we did. Harajis was cool. Yeah. We mad at the Harajis. Nah, classy. You gotta respect it. And y'all was Kentucky too.

Y'all had that shit too. Yeah, we had some shit. Yeah. We had some shit for sure. They used to have the long shorts. I went to Wake Forest. I used to be jealous because their shorts came down to they calf.

They had E. Bleds shorts. And so was all the fuckers, man. E. Bleds shorts was at his shoelaces. I'm like, he wildin'. Getting busy. Yeah, like, no way he's shooting. What? But man, like you said,

you was going through the process, like, all right, how can I compete with these guys? And then you go, and now it's like, all right, I'm in the league, and I'm doing what the fuck I'm supposed to do. How was that moment when you got settled in Sacramento, like, getting to be an NBA pro? How did I get settled into it?

Or just, how did it come? It's like, all right, I'm here. Like, I ain't question, I'm here, I'm supposed to be here. It started with me in practice, honestly. And I'm a guy that, like, I build off moments, you know what I mean? And once I surpassed that moment, I don't really look back. Like, I don't even take time to really appreciate it. It's on to the next, like, you know, what can I do next?

So, and I plan on, you know, I enjoy the fruits of my life at the end, you know what I'm saying? So, with that being said, it started in practice. You know, and I had a really good defensive big in my rookie year in Samuel Dallinburg. He was older, but he was really good defensively, he was smart. And, you know, playing against him every day, like, if I could fry him, don't nobody else really got a chance.

And obviously it was guys that were better defensively, but for him to be my test every single day for a full season, that was great target practice for me. So it started there, and then with just each game, I built, my confidence grew and You know, it was also kind of hard because I had a coach that was not fucking with me at all That's a fact. We say he wasn't really fucking with anybody. Yeah At the time it was Paul Westphal. So he was like he he never wanted me to shoot the ball

He didn't even want the ball in my hands, which I thought was crazy. And it's kind of weird because in a way, they'll dog you out and say you ain't coachable when you don't do what the coach tells you. Let's say I was coachable in that situation, where would my career have gone? You know what I'm saying? I mean, it could have been shorter.

I could have been a completely different player. Like, you know, the opportunity could have, whatever. It's a lot of hypotheticals, but you know, that's just, you know, things I kind of think about in those type situations. But as far as just continuing my growth, it started in practice and, you know, it carried over to games and with each game I got better. I'm facing these guys that I grew up watching.

I'm like, oh, I'm really frying these niggas. You know what I'm saying? And once I just got to that level of, I feel like I'm the best player on the floor every night. It was really no looking back for me. That was my mindset every night. I wanted to kill what was ever in front of me. It didn't really matter who it was.

Who got at you though, your career? Plenty, plenty. Who was that one that really like, ah damn, I'm cooking him but he tearing my ass up, boss. That's crazy. I got a long list, bro. TD, Tim Duncan. Man, he he fried.

A mute killer. Yeah, man, TD, KG, you get that? Nah, I mean towards the end with KG, he wasn't really a bucket getter. KG was like a talker. Yeah, he was the ultimate team guy, but he kind of finished, they put the ball in his hands at the end of the game

sometimes, him and Paul Pierce. So it was kind of like that situation. But he wasn't necessarily the guy getting it every possession. Yeah, OK. So not KG, but Z-Bo for sure. Z-Bo fry my ass a few times. That's always been a fun match up for me. Yeah, legend.

Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, legend. Absolutely. Andrew Bynum. He was big as shit. Bro, Andrew Bynum was the fuck me up, bro. He was tall. You called Andrew Bynum before he tweaked out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Bynum was really good.

Nah, he was. Early in my career. He was young, super young. He was, yeah. He was going back at Shaq, bro. Yeah, he was. He was going back young to us. Yeah, he was he was going back at Shaq, bro Did you play Shaq I did Shaq almost broke my motherfucking back pause Shaq was in his life. That was his last season with the substance. Yeah, Shaq was like 450 out there, bro Like he wasn't even moving like and I went to go for a rebound and I jumped backwards.

I just felt like I ran into a wall. My whole back cracked. Like damn. I just laid on the floor, bro. Like man, just contemplating, like do I really wanna do this shit? But. That's how him and Nate was wilding bro.

He picked Nate up in a game against us. They was beating us so bad in Atlanta. He picked Nate up in a game. Oh, I seen him do that in practice. Oh, he picked him up in a game, said pass me the fucking ball, picked him up. I said, man, what is this niggas homework? That's what I used to be wilding.

They beat us by 30, bro. I was like, bro, what are they doing? Pick this man up in a game, bro. Yeah, I've definitely got my fair share. Hell yeah, that's the league, bro. I was like, bro, what do they do? Pick this man up in a game, bro. Yeah, I've definitely got my fair share. Hell yeah. That's the league, bro. I don't think there's nobody come through the league.

But yeah, I've never had a bad night or a mother fucker ain't never fried me. That's cap. It's not even possible. You ain't played enough. Yeah, you not playing. Yeah, that's not possible, bro. You gonna have a bad night.

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But that's my favorite gift means of all the time, bro. It's used for all the raw shit. But that's one of my favorite things that I've got for you, bro. I had to ask you about that. How is that? Because he was in a moment, he was like, man, this is the bullshit. But to get that seed ever used so much now, how is that, man? Because you like immortalized with that one. Man, bro.

Jeff, you know all that shit, bro. Come on, man. It's like an unwritten thing, man. They be on bullshit, bro. You know unwritten thing. Man, they be on bullshit. You know the league push narratives, bro. And sometimes we need this team to get by or we ain't really concerned about this team winning right now.

So it was one of them moments and I wasn't really happy about it, bro. Like let us play ball, let us play ball at the end of the day and um you know I hate when they kind of you know overreff or you know want to control the game too much then they take the game out of the player's hands so um it was kind of one of those moments for me and then you know when it comes to basketball bro like what what makes it fun is the way people express themselves and the different emotions that you get throughout the game.

That's what made us fall in love with the game from the beginning. Yeah. And obviously, the NBA is a business. And not only is it a business, it's a billion dollar business. So it's up there. So it's a lot of qualities that have to go into being a lot of qualities that have to go into

being a worker of the NBA. So with that being said, it's kind of like a fine line between the raw foundation of basketball and incorporating business into it as well. So for guys that fell in love with the game, naturally, organically, it's kinda hard to translate. You know what I mean?

Yeah, the entertainment aspect kick in. Yeah, so for me, when I step on the floor, bro, my number one purpose is I wanna go win the game. I'ma show every expression. When I'm excited about a play, you gonna see that. When I'm upset, you might see that. If I'm frustrated, you might see that. And that's just kinda how sports go. It's full of emotions. Those emotions also get you over the hump. You know what

I mean? Those emotions that digging deep like I'm not going to allow this player to score me. Those types of emotions help you perform. So you know, once you start trying to take that out of the game, it's hard for guys to translate because you know, some guys feed off that. And then this, It's other athletes that you know Naturally non-chalant like this motherfucker. Yeah, yeah, they don't really give a fuck And then that talented enough to you know get by with them But man it it's, you know, like at the end of the day, like I appreciate it, you know, every way.

And at the end of the day, this game, this sport is an art. Like, how have you decided to express your art? Like, that's how you do it. You're an artist. So, you know, that's the part of the game that kind of frustrates me when it comes to, you know, the business and the raw foundation of it. For sure, cause Dre was on yesterday, he was talking about like, you know what I'm saying,

when you doing that and you winning, it's passionate, it's all these good things, and then when it's not as perceived as, oh, he's a problem, he can't control himself, it's just like the same things that help me win, it's the same thing you criticizing me for, so what you want me to do in this situation. Right.

But we always talking very highly of this team that you was on, man. Y'all Peliskin squad was so nice I had one of the most underrated rosters of all time. How'd that link up happen? Which part the beginning you just even thinking about going there Thinking about it at all. I got traded, got traded during the All-Star game right after. That happened and I was at a point in my career, I was in Sacramento for six and a half years,

almost seven years, and I was frustrated. I wanted help, I wanted another guy on my caliber. I just wanted something to help me get you know, get over that hump. I was really passionate about winning. I wanted to be that guy that, you know, take them out of their losing years, all of those things. But it just didn't happen. And bro, it would get to the point

where I would just go home and pray, like bro, just send me some help, like anybody. And you know, you ask for things, they, you know, it'll happen, but not necessarily in the form you expect it to. So I ended up, you know, you ask for things, they, you know, it'll happen, but not necessarily in the form you expected. So I ended up, you know, getting traded, and initially when I'm on the phone with my agent, rest in peace Dan Fagan, and he's like,

you know, we could veto the trade, we could tell him we're not showing up, whatever, whatever. And then at the moment, I'm like, damn, Anthony Davis. Like, shh. I know, I like I've been asking to play You know a guy that's similar in talent like they can help me get over the hump and I'm like It's not necessarily, you know a Guaranteed thing that I can get to a spot with that type of help or that can help me You know continue to be successful in my career

So I'm like fuck it. We gonna make this shit work, right? with that type of help or that can help me continue to be successful in my career. So I'm like, fuck it, we gonna make this shit work. I already knew AD, I knew the different, the skillset that he had, he could do a lot of different things with the basketball. So with that alone, I was intrigued and I'm like, we can definitely make some shit. I was co-ed.

And it would take, and coming in, I'm like, we can definitely make some shit. I thought y'all was cool. And it would take, and you know, coming in, I'm like, you know, we gotta figure each other out and that first half a season that we played, it wasn't that successful, but we had a lot of good moments and you know, that was good enough for me. I'm like, oh, we gonna definitely make this shit work. We got an off season to kind of get some guys in here to compliment us.

So I think we can make some things work. And on top of all of that, we had the perfect coach in Ivan Gentry. Who was super open-minded, he was a free flow type of coach. He was a coach I would say is all about control chaos, if that makes sense. Yeah, for sure.

So he allowed me and AD to get a rebound and push and initiate the offense. So he allowed me and AD to get a rebound and push and initiate the offense. We also have to compliment Ray John and Drew because those guys were the ultimate teammates. Elite guards. What they do, but also allowing us to flourish on what we do. It took guys like them to be unselfish and also understand the bigger picture and what we were trying to do to be okay with that. It was times Rondo would get a rebound and throw me the ball to bring it up.

So we had that type of chemistry and obviously it was short lived, but man it definitely could have been a beautiful situation. I could have won the shit bro. Oh man, and honestly I don't think it was happening that year that I blew my Achilles, but down the line, I definitely thought we had a chance to be a special team.

We definitely needed more shooters to help us out and open the floor up for us, but we definitely had the foundation in the quarter, you know what I mean? I always tell the story when we played y'all. I remember you was talking shit to me. And you was like, why you ain't playing? I was sitting out one game.

He was like, why you ain't playing? I was like, next time we play, I'm playing. He was like, you scared a dog. He scared a dog. He scared a dog, he scared a dog. And I'm like, what? So we go to Minnesota, we playin'. So I'm on the court, I'm like, yeah, motherfucker.

I was like, cat, bust his ass. I said, what? Bro, it's a picture? I said, what? Bro, it's a picture of cat posting up. He looking at our bench like, I said, bro, crazy. So you're behind that? It's him, bro. No, it's you.

It's always him, bro. You as always, Jeff, dog. It's him, bro. You being a part of that is crazy, bro. He's cat's posting up. The mastermind, bro. And he's looking at it. I'm a dog bro. You being a part of that is crazy. Bro, he's, Kat's posting. The mastermind bro. And he's looking at, I'm crying bro. I was like, hey bro, it's crazy.

It didn't get on offense like I told you. He started on Cuzz. Cuzz go to the basket, Kat just wrap him up. And like, switch, touch, touch, touch. He was like, he can't run, tips. He gotta go or somebody. I said, oh, he's crazy. I was like, let's do a wow, bro.

Y'all be having like, Kentucky beef, man. Nah, it wasn't that. For me, I got a lot of love for Kat. Nah, it was all love. I think Kat is super talented, man, and a really good player. He had a really good season this year, too. Shout out to him. But, you know, for me me and the time I was at,

it was more so just coming from a competitive nature. Like I said, when I stepped on the floor, bro, I'm killing whatever in front of me. And I want you to understand at the end of the game the difference between me and you. That was my mindset. So, nah, honestly, I was just trying to put Kat in his place.

In my mind, I felt like I was the best big in the league. And it's also a form of a compliment, because I know how talented Kat is. The fact that at that moment in time, Kat was considered one of the better guys in the league, or a better big in the league, you on my radar too. Same way I'm on yours. So when we match up, I'm going to make sure I get the best of you and we win the game. And you know, that was my mindset. Y'all might have the best big lineages though.

I was thinking about that. And the colleges, Kentucky, just you can't, AD alone is. That's crazy. Yeah, that's right. That's true. Yeah. Yup.

Yeah, y'all definitely, big man you for sure. Yeah, yeah, from a big, yeah, also, as we know, from a guard standpoint, it ain't too many people fucking with Kentucky. Nah, nah, Kentucky. That's why Cal definitely the GOAT, bro. He is the GOAT, bro. I mean, there's many forms of a GOAT, too, bro.

Obviously, he's not the most winning as coach. But his impact on college, bro, like changed untouchable like it's not many top players. Coach Cain ain't saying that many top players like that bro. What? He did. Nah he got a bunch of top players. Kentucky Kentucky got way better NBA players than Duke. Oh yeah, Kentucky got way better players. For sure, bro. We can go from Cubs years on up. But that's what I'm saying, what generation? I'm saying it's cause JT, BI and all them,

after that Jabari, all them, they's hard. Duke got some killers. Cause you got JT, Jabari, Zine, Kyrie, Kyrie, RJ Berry, Kyrie, Kari, RJ Berry. Kari don't count, bro. He do. Kari played two games, dog.

You played one year, bro. It was there. He had a couple of coffee, man. Man, what? I'm taking Duke overall, telling you, bro. Devin Booker, him, John Wall, it's a long list, bro. As a Louisville fan, HeartSmead even pick you counting this side, but I have to pick you

Cal in that. You a horse like that? Yeah man, and that's lets you know how much I fuck with Cal, cause I ain't care about Jalebs because he wasn't no shit. But like tell me that I ain't like that, but I like Cal because fuck basketball, I'm about to make sure that it don't matter what y'all do the next four years of y'all life, everybody about to be straight. And I'll fuck with that more than anything cause it's just like fuck sports, everybody about to be cool and I'm with that more than anything cuz it's like fuck sports everybody about to be cool

I'm gonna make sure y'all cool. Yeah, I could put a banner about brother everybody mortgage be taken care of Tino could never Got a little bird on his arm. It's this logo it is Hold on what? He's been in there twice. This is for the fam though. This is for the fam. Turn up. What a little butler bro. This dude crazy man. This dude crazy. I ain't gotta show my back tattoo. That's crazy.

Shout out to my dog. But now in the era, you see a lot of crazy bigs. How is it now that you see the big biz kind of flourishing like you seem you know I'm saying step back to see that because I definitely feel like this You came a little bit too early pause like you would have been doing the same type of time But you see a big you see yo like dominating the league at that position getting MVP bitches that one time You know I'm saying the big was respected, but it was kind of like slighted with your numbers now It's like okay, they leading away type shit. It's definitely you know an era thing I do

feel like came in you know a little early when it came to my skill set and the way I played the game. Like I said when I came in the league my playing style wasn't really embraced even when I went to college like you know me and Kyle laugh about it all the time now but but Kyle, you lied to me, bro. He told me I was gonna be bringing the ball, all these different, first practice, bro, I got a rebound, tried to bring it up. I didn't turn it over and Kyle was supposed to stop.

He like, what the fuck are you doing? Why are you dribbling the ball? I got the number one pick at point guard and I got my fucking center dribbling the ball. And in my mind I'm like, you right. Damn, you go get it. You know, I just, you know, do my thing. So it was like, nah, like get your big ass under the basket

and you know, try to catch lobs, nigga. So, you know, going into the league, it was similar. It was still too big in the post when I came into the league. You know, they were really pushing, you know, the jump hooks and shit like that. It wasn't the flashy layups and being crafty around the basket. That wasn't really embraced.

And definitely shooting and ball handling. It definitely wasn't embraced. So that's kind of why, you know, I could see why Westfall wasn't really feeling me either as a player. So, you know, fast forward to now, and you know, you see where it's basically the big is initiating the offense and the NBA,

no matter if they can score it or not. The offense is initiated through the big, and it's just crazy to see the game now Developing to what was once upon What was once frowned upon you know what I'm saying so um you know that's that's basketball. He started that shit off You know I Mean we at the point now where guys don't even know how to make a post pass like Yeah, that's growing up. That was actually a drill like, you know show how you know, you know drive to the elbow

Yeah, like yeah, actually know how to make a post pass for sure. That's something that's not even really taught anymore So it just shows the evolution of the game. It's like now they even really killed bigs who can't shoot. It's like It's like now they even really killed bigs who can't shoot. It's like Like Daniel not true I remember when he started I mean you was always capable shooting threes But I remember when you started shooting threes like pulling up. I'm like, bro. He really going I'm like He was shooting like a guard I'm tripping like I threes, bro. I ain't about to hesitate or nothing. I'm like, oh yeah, he got all the freedom in the world. And I remember Al Weber said that, like I gotta start shooting threes.

Like that's where the game is going. That's why I think Al was real special because he always knew where the game was going. I always adapt. He used to say that, he was like, bro. He knew the game though, he was fresh off of that. Yeah, that's dope. He definitely shooting the cover off.

Bro, that's all he's shooting Now like like you said, the big is, it's the big era right now. Like, and I see a guy like Zach Eady get drafted, what, top 10? Yup. And for people in college that say, man, he can't play in this league, he can't do that.

I think it's another turn of the game because seeing him go top 10 lets me know we're going back to the big man era. Cause I would have never thought Zach Eady was going top 10. But we too slow. He was going first round. And so when he got calls, I was like, oh shit.

But the playoff showed it though. Yeah, but you see him and the guy from UConn. I don't know his name for sure. The big from UConn, they got drafted too. And it's like rim protection, running the floor, big and score and the paint, the big man error is back. And like to know that, it's

like, you still hoop. I'm like, shit, what we doing? Man, I don't know what we doing, bro. You know, I've embraced this new journey. Like, you know, it can be a lot of reasons why I'm not in the NBA or whatever the case may be. This is also why I've kind of, you know, moved into this lane too of using my voice and, you know,

just speaking for myself because we also came into an era where if something was said, you just kind of had to take it on the chin. That was your, that was labeled as being professional. You know what I'm saying? And now it's the era, it's like, motherfuckers say something, players come out like, you a motherfucking lot. You know what I'm saying? And now it's the air, it's like, motherfuckers say something, players come out like, you motherfucking lied.

You know what I'm saying? We in that era now. So a lot of things was said, and a lot of narratives was put on my name, and some true, some not. And at the end of the day, if you want to know who I am as a person, or how I care about myself every day,

you can hear straight from the horse's mouth. You know what I'm saying? So I don't need nobody else to speak on who I am. I can speak for myself. And that's just kind of where I'm at with it now. And as far as continuing the hoop, man, I love the game. Like, you know, it's hard to just be like,

all right, I'm done with this shit. I've been doing this shit since I was a kid. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is like waking up brushing my teeth. You know what I'm saying? So, just to call it quits, because one door shut on me. There's so many opportunities out here,

and I've come to understand that, and I've come to embrace it. So, you know, I'm gonna continue my journey playing, and if, you know, as far as me reaching out, trying to convince these guys of what I am and who I am, I'm kind of done with that. When an opportunity comes that makes sense for me, I consider that.

I definitely look into it, but as far as me going out, trying to reach out to them, I'm past that. Because you know what I bring to the floor, it's been proven. If you really wanted to know what I bring to the floor, it's been proven. If you really wanted to know who I am, you would take the time out yourself to get to know me and not listen to the next because that's what this business is. That's why narratives is such an important thing because that's literally what is passed around.

It's not them like, hey man, who are you? What are your answers? It's none of like, hey man, who are you? What are your answers? It's none of that. You know what I'm saying? They just listen to the next person. Everybody don't vibe with each other. It could be some shit I don't like about you

and you can go tell him, well he don't like me, so shit, I don't like him. And that's just kind of how it goes. So that's why I'm at with when it comes to playing ball. How that overseas life though? That shit's sweet why I'm at with, when it comes to playing ball. How that overseas life though? That shit's sweet. You know, I'm enjoying it, bro. Honestly, I just gained a whole new respect for hoop,

because you'd be brainwashed to think the NBA is the ultimate level of basketball, which is a fact in itself, but when you think about it, it's only what, 600 guys in the league? It's two billion people playing basketball. So you mean to tell me the 601st person isn't good? You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, I've come to experience, like to understand that and bro, you know, I'm back to, you know, really loving the game and getting back to my competitive nature and being myself. Bro, it's been fun. I found my joy again. I'm happy.

I'm happy where I'm at in life. I'ma do this shit until I'm tired of it. Man, when you get tired, man, come play on my team in the Big Three. Yeah, bro, I'ma get there, bro. I promise I'ma get there. You got about three or four more years. But when you get there, you just.

Bro, you and Nago, we playin' in the Big Three or 40. Sheez. Big Three fun as hell. I see you out there cookin'. I'm tryin', bro. I was gettin' cooked by a young nigga. He was on my ass. He was on my ass, man.

Shout out to Briscoe Kentucky. Oh, for sure. He was on. Briscoe's a bucket, bro. He was on my ass. But nah, victory cool though. No I'm not a big three, I'm talking about you at four. I'm going to be out there bro.

You going to be coaching bro. I am going to be coaching. You'll be out there under Gary Payton. Yeah I'll be your coach. Swaggy P, I'm turning to coach. Nick you'll be the coach, it's crazy. Baby winning though. Nick team winning?

Yeah they got Jordan Crawford. JC. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Get a bucket. JC be cooking. Shout out to Instant Grits, man. That's my dog, bro. Yeah, he be cooking out there.

That's a hell of a day. Yeah, he got that name in New Orleans. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Instant. That's his lane though. Yeah, it's. Big three?

Yeah, go get a bucket for sure. Filthy out there, bro. Oh, I can't do nothing with it. Nah, I can't mess with anyone. For sure, man. But listen, big Cubs, we appreciate you sliding on us, man. This is a highly anticipated interview, man. We thank you for sliding on this big dog, man.

Tell the people where they can find you at, where they can support you at too, man. Shit, it's, you know, it's Boogie Cousins on Instagram, and, you know, I got my own podcast with all the smoke with Rachel Nichols, so that's been going really well with me For me and you know, just support man support all this shit, man I think it's really dope what we doing and like I said, it takes a lot of courage to you know Go out and do these things. So, you know support my brother Jeff and his guys and appreciate this thing rolling. Let's take over

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