Club Shay Shay - Club 520 - Dwight Howard REGRETS leaving Magic, LeBron vs. Kobe, Derrick Rose MVP battle

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 64 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague is joined by Dwight Howard to talk about his Hall of Fame NBA career. From going No. 1 in the NBA Draft out of high school, regretting leaving the Orlando Magic after taking them to an NBA Finals, battling with Derrick Rose of the Chicago Bulls for the MVP, and playing alongside both Kobe Bryant and LeBron James on the Los Angeles Lakers, you won’t want to miss this interview! #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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White hat, it's night, what's happening, brothers? How y'all doing? Man, I'm good, man. Thanks for having us all, man. Come on, man, long awaited episode, man. Appreciate y'all pulling up. Now listen, man, you got a lot of copters going on with Big Three, man, what's up? Big Three, man, long awaited episode man. Appreciate y'all pulling up. Now listen man, you got a lot of copters going on with now, Big 3 man, what's up?

Big 3 man, I'm really excited about playing in the Big 3 man. I played, I done graduated from the Five on Five league. I done got my hat, my jacket, my award. So, you know, I haven't played 303 basketball since, you know, sometimes we have it in practice or whatever. We might do 303, but this'll be my first time hooping with played 303 basketball since, sometimes we have it in practice or whatever. We might do 303, but this will be my first time hooping with the 303, so I'm looking forward to it, man.

Most definitely like the same thing, congratulations as well, man. Thank you. Well deserved, brother, well deserved for sure. 303 basketball, listen, man, you still got, you know what I'm saying, you could probably get some minutes in the league, now you're in the big three with it.

Hey man, we got high expectations, Dwight. You gotta get out here and kill these niggas. You right. You're supposed to get MVP. Yeah, we, yeah. You're not supposed to get MVP. Already, you already preseason MVP. I'm doing three a days. Y'all can't just let me, I'm 39. Nah, we just went to the combine Dwight.

No excuses. Everybody old with that motherfucker. I ain't gonna lie, it's kinda hard to play though. Why? You get tired, you get tired fast as hell. 303 different. Yeah, you gotta run. Even though it's half court. Yeah, you get tired fast as hell. 303 different. Yeah, you got to run. You can always have court.

Yeah, you get tired fast. I expected last year, but. They just gonna feed the post, bro. Ah, hell yeah. What's the biggest difference with 303 and 505? The biggest difference here is like, it's like playing 21 when you was growing up. So if you get the rebound, somebody's running to the three.

And if you tired and don't close out, everybody can shoot. You don't get blown out. I remember last year we played in Portland, we got running to the three. And if you tired and don't close out, everybody can shoot. You don't get blown out. Last year we played in Portland, we got beat by like 40. Damn. Jordan Crawford, yeah they beat us by like 40. I think we had like six points to the first half. We were so tired. I guess Jordan Crawford.

Yeah. That was that game where y'all flew in the same day. It was like terrible, like flights and stuff, but across the nation, it was like real fucked up. You can't beat them joining me. I gotta come join the riot. I know I seen JC yesterday, man. I told him, I gotta, but across the nation. It was like real fucked up. You can't beat them joining me. I gotta come join the riot. I know I seen J.C. yesterday, man. I told him I gotta put me on a team.

I'll tell you, you get the free agent pool, what's up? I gotta put me on a team. You playing, right? You playing, but not the whole time? Yeah, I play. I just gotta do some stuff with high school basketball. We got June ball. Gotta go to some of the college campuses and stuff.

How was that coaching, man? It's cool. I enjoy it. Probably the funnest part of my life right now. Besides being married, that's cool, too. But coaching basketball. That's cool, too. Coaching basketball.

Yeah, throw that on the floor. On the floor. On the floor. OK. I'm gonna throw that in there. For sure. Speaking of high school basketball, obviously, you know what I'm saying?

Yasha Drexler, how you guys at NBA, how were you felt about the NIL in high school? To be honest, man, I don't really like the NIL thing. I think, only reason I say I don't like it is because once the money get involved in a lot of things, it kind of mess up the game, the passion, the love. I know on the NBA level, so much money involved in a lot of things that kind of mess up the game, the passion, the love. I know on the NBA level, so much money involved

and it take away from how you might feel. Cause you know, you might not play cause the people up top making a decision and ain't got nothing to do with you or how good you are. And you know, I just feel like now they bringing that down to high school, college, stuff like that, where people getting paid. And now it can devalue some of these guys

once they try to get to the professional side. I mean, I like it to the point, like, see, you ain't go to college, so. You don't know that feeling. You ain't got no money. Like, you broke as hell. Try and make it. He don't know about that.

Yeah, he don't know about that. I know. Getting that that pilgrim, but like It's cool for that point like man You can take care of yourself in school and have money in your pocket I think it's cool But I mean like I couldn't imagine making four or five million dollars in college brought up in filthy I would have never made to the NBA. I would doubt in my NBA I don't know what's the amount of people into the drive this year. Yeah, I bet. I mean, we got some kids from Indiana

who could have went to the draft, but he went to Louisville. You got three dang, three million dollars. He like shot the rack. That's a game changer. So I could see on both sides how it could be good. And, you know, like you said, well, my side, I'm like, man,

I ain't never experienced going to college. So I do not understand that part. So I guess the part that I'm looking at it is from being in the league for so long and seeing the corrupt, I would say the corrupt side of sports and stuff like that. And I don't want these parents and these kids to really get involved in that part, but you can't keep it away from them.

But so, yeah. to really get involved in that part, but you can't keep it away from them. It's already corrupt. It's probably was people, you was the number one player in the country, it's probably people already betting on you on the side. I was 50, 60, people was trying to give me money on the side, even to go to college, they was trying to give you money and stuff. So it was happening anyway.

It's just cool that it's in the open now. Cause I mean, we got money when I was in school. So I think Josh, I think Josh Smith would have, bro would have took that paper. He would have been the high year. They'd be like, Josh, we got 10 for you. 10 million? Yeah.

Are over going to the league? Nah, I think he went to the league. He going to the league once. He going, he wasn't going to stay in Indiana. For what? For TMS? Smoot was going to the league once. He going, he wasn't gonna stay in Indiana. For what? For Tims, Smoot was going to Bloomington. Remember what he said? Remember what he said on the pod?

He was like, my daddy was like, man, fuck that. Ain't no money in college. So if they would offer him some bread, I'm just thinking they were from that side. Cause you young, he like, shit, if we can go get Tim real quick, fuck it. That's probably the reason why I brought up Josh, cause he said that on the pod.

10 million is a lot to pass up to. He probably would've, they offered him out two or three, man he probably would've went. Yeah. Tom Ames is a lot for college. What? Crazy. Even at that time period, three is a lot. Yeah, he said 10.

That's his, it's getting there though. Josh probably would've stayed there. Yeah, I don't know, he thought. No, I love him. How long he would've though bro. Josh probably would have stayed there. He on there? No, I love him. He's in Indiana, for real. How long would he stay there? How long? How long Josh would have stayed?

A year, all these years. He couldn't have stayed there longer. He couldn't have stayed more than a year cause it would have got to him. Yeah, you gotta get out of there. Get in, get out, do that little six months of slide. How was college like, people saying that if I went to college I probably would've wanted to stay all four years.

Hell nah, they lying. Who told you that lie? UNC. UNC. UNC. UNC. I was thinking about going to UNC. People be lying, bro.

You said people be lying. They just be loving they school, bro. Nobody want to stay in college, but that shit is awful. Doing homework, bro? Hell nah. Now you got people. I swear if I was telling me, man, you would've loved college, man. I'm like, for what, man?

I ain't wanna go to school when I was in high school. You would've loved campus. Campus would've been fun, but as far as going to class, why the fuck am I going to class where I'm a basketball player? Bro, I love the NBA, bro. In fact. Like, what are we talking about? Everybody that say I love college,

they must've been a star in college. True. You the man on campus or whatever, but shit, you was the man in the league. There's different experiences though, too, though, for people. Yeah, sad people. No!

I'm telling you, look at him. The Marcus' said they had fun in the UK. The Marcus' was gassed and moved with the UK. They couldn't even do nothing. Niggas had fun. They couldn't even do nothing. They had to ruin Ayo though. That was before the game. They couldn't even do nothing. Iiggas had a full time. They couldn't even do nothing. They had to run at y'all though. That was before the game.

They couldn't even do nothing. Like I'm telling you the truth bro. I always keep it real bro. When you go to college it's fun. Like for a second. Bro when you go to the NBA bro. Yeah of course that's different. Oh man what?

Oh man niggas are alive. They say I wanna go back. No I wanna go back to the NBA right now. What's he talking about? So was that an automatic for you though? I know you say UNC, but when did you make that choice to make that league? To go to the league, man, I was, I was saying 10th grade.

Oh, okay. And 10th grade. We had a white man. Nah, for real, I was saying, I don't wanna go to college. I feel like that's gonna be a waste of time for me and the school. I really't wanna go to college. I feel like that's gonna be a waste of time for me and the school. I really just wanna go to the league and hoop. It was nothing else that I wanted to do besides hoop.

You know what's interesting, I wanted to ask you about this. Mello was just talking about on the pod, shots to Jared Smith, he talking about he pulled up to the McDonald's game, we see how y'all was playing, he was just like, I looked around and said, oh yeah, they can go to the league right now. What's that moment when you get around those people that's in the league that's just like,

reaffirming that you already know? That I was gonna be, that I could go? Man, every tournament, every tournament we played in, the McDonald's game, that's when I kinda like, I was like, this is it, man. I'm the MVP, me and JR. And I knew I had a shot, I knew I had a shot then to be the number one pick.

But I was just so headstrong on making sure I went number one that, you know, that was my only, my only mission. In the first pick. You played on a hell of a AAU team too. Yeah, you brought the segue right there. This is, this is shit right here. It's a classic AAU team.

Thurbs. Thurbs. Y'all the first bro. No, no, it's Indiana. Indy Heat. Nobody in the fuck knows y'all for white. I tell these niggasbus is a. Y'all the first, bro. No, no, it's Indiana. Indy Heath. Nobody fuck with y'all. I tell these niggas all the time. You niggas don't understand how good Randolph was either.

Y'all, he was cold. Randolph was cold. Y'all had the coldest front court, bro, of all time, bro. Swear to God. In high school basketball in any fucking era, bro. Him, Randolph, and Josh. And Josh, and then we had Javaris. Yeah. DeWayne Day.

Mike Mercer. Mike Mercer, yeah. We had a squad. B Rush one guy. Yeah, we did have B Rush. I said, what the hell did B Rush do? We had a squad. That nigga is from Missouri.

It all started, we used to come out here in Vegas and play in all the tournaments, the big time tournament out here in Vegas. My youngest marriage is coming out here with the Atlanta Celtics and back then they used to have them little. Atlanta Celtics. Nah, coming out here they used to have these little cards like the escorts and all that.

You know what I'm talking about? We came out here they used to have the cards. The real promo. Yeah, the real promo. That's how it. And I remember our coach, not our coach, the real promo. Yeah, the real promo. That's how I, you know, I remember our coach, not our coach, but Wallace Pratt, the guy,

rest his soul, started to hold Celtics. He said, if any of y'all mess with any of these escorts, y'all would never play Celtics basketball again. I said, man, shit, I ain't gonna try this because I want to go to the league. Everybody was afraid because they was passing out the cards everywhere, but man, we used to come here every summer, man, and that's how we really got our name,

playing out here in the big time tournament. Yeah. Playing around. Any memorable matchups from back then? Damn, that was a long time ago. You said Bassie said he beat y'all team? Bassie, that was our high school team. Nope, nobody was, well, the team that beat y'all? That was our high school team. Nope, nobody was, well the team that beat us

was Pump and Run. From where? LA. Jordan Farmer. Okay. What's the big, he was a center, some dude there. Mata, Lonzo Mata. He was a, he was a glue guy.

Yeah. But he was good though. Man, but they used to always beat us, man. That was the only team that beat us is the team out of LA. Jordan Farmer. Damn. At the crib, we always talk about the Indy Heat team. First y'all.

The Indy Heat team. It was, who was on that team? Greg. Josh McRoberts, Daquan Cook. Mike Conley. Eric Gordon, Mike Conley. It was pretty cool. That's a fire squad.

High school, that's fire. It was pretty good. Because DQ was nasty in high school. Like, Paul Cook was crazy. Josh McRober was the coldest white boy at that time, for sure. He definitely had bounce. Greg Olden.

Yeah. Mike still playing. Mike Olden. We just watched Mike in his house. Yeah, just hit a three the other night. I couldn't believe this shit. I'm like, God damn, he still playing. Mike, oh, we just watched Mike in the tabs. Yeah, just hit a three the other night. I couldn't believe this shit. Oh my God, Ami still playing. Man, that's crazy.

So what, I think nobody talk about Indiana hoops like that. They should be talked about more. Most definitely. I mean, we try to get some hoopers though. Yeah, we got a lot, we got a lot bro, for real. We just don't have a lot of superstars as compared to some of the bigger cities as far as consistent players and stuff like that. Yeah, we keep a lot, we got a lot bro, for real. We just don't have a lot of superstars as compared to some of the bigger cities as far as consistent players and stuff like that.

Yeah, we keep some of them around. So which state got the best hoopers? Which state? Oh, boy. That's us, bro. We got all the good guys. Jersey, Jersey. Nah.

Ooh, Jersey. Jersey, Jersey. It's California. That's where you from, huh? I'm from Jersey. Yeah, we're from California. I guess I'll see the bias in there. I'll let you cook, go crazy.

Shaq, Shaq, Kyrie. Yeah. J.R. Smith. Yeah, y'all cooked after that. Jalen Brons there. I'll let you cook. Go first. Shaq, Kyrie, JR Smith. Yeah, y'all cooked after that. Jalen Bronson. You got JB for sure. Carl Towns. Okay.

Y'all taking Catty Cheen, but I respect this. He played in high school. He go to high school. He from Chicago. He from Jalen. Cat from Chicago? Nah, Jalen Bronson. Jalen Bronson played in Chicago in high school.

Brisco. That's Chicago in high school. That's a five, five. That's a five. Y'all nice. That's five. New Jersey, nice. But if you go with LA. LA is crazy. LA is so big though.

Who LA is it is? Okay, well LA. You might have to take LA out of it though. That's cheating. Put it in regions. Well, it's just like, when, cause you got, just damn they're Compton alone. You got LA. You got three Hall of Famers. Yeah, you got three Hall of Famers there Compton alone. You got LA.

You got three Hall of Famers. Yeah, you got three Hall of Famers from Compton. Russ, James, Demar. Shit, that's enough right there. You can stop right there. Yeah, I'll just. You can stop right there. I give it to, I want some real shit though.

State-wise, I give it to New York. Pure basketball. New York. I go Cali over New York. Hey, Bas, he said, you can't put New York over Jersey. Look at Delano. Pure basketball. New York. I go Cali over New York. Hey Bassie said you can't put New York over Jersey. Look at the lineup. Pure basketball bro. I'm just talking about outside of NBA players.

Just overall basketball players. They just say hoop culture. Oh hoop culture. Yeah like it's. Oh hoop culture in New York. They got that many hoopers though from there. From New York? Not a lot, not a lot.

I'm telling you. Who besides, who besides besides Stephon Marbury? It's like Kimba. What's that guy? Shout out to Party Act. Right for all things. He's from New York. It's like Mark Jackson.

Shout out to Skits Malo. Kenny Henderson, shit like that. Like, shout out to Chet. What was his name? Oh boy, Ali Mo. Ali Mo is from New York. I know him. It's not a lot of, I think what he's saying

is it's not a lot of superstars from New York City. Yeah. It's the street ballers and street ball. It's the street ball city. I don't count. DMV, I know Demarcus and Quinn said DMV, PG County and stuff. That's a good one.

That's a good one. You got some hoops. KD, Mello, Beez. Beez. That's enough. That's three right there. That was crazy. I'm still taking that though. I'm still taking, I'm taking Indiana, bees. That's enough. That's pretty right there. That was crazy. I'm still taking that though.

I'm still taking, I'm taking Indiana, bro. Growing up for us, Indiana was like, they used to always tell us Indiana is where the Hoopers come from. I guess, cause what's the coach name? Who choked the- Bob Knight. Bob Knight, yeah.

I remember in high school, they wanted us to meet Bob Knight. So that was the time I traveled up to Indiana. So who came out of Indiana? Who came out of Indiana? I mean, like he said, we got a bunch of people. AJ Moye. Shout out to AJ Moye. No, he did not.

That's my dog from Atlanta. Shout out to AJ Moye. I wanted to throw him out there. He had a crazy shit on YouTube. AJ was the first 5'11 powerful. That's crazy. On the national TV. When he was in high school, he played power forward and he's only 5'11 power forward. That's crazy. On the national TV. When he was in high school, he played power forward and he's only 5'11.

Yeah bro, we know about AJ Moye, number two. He had bounce for real. He could play. AJ Moye, he was cold. Most definitely. Yeah, especially in high school hours, we keep some, like every year we gonna keep some of the Dolls of America's.

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I was, I ain't know nothing about nothing coming into the league. I just knew how to hoop. Yeah. Javar is crunching with the hoop. Javar is with the hoop. Okay, okay. That shit's smallest.

Yeah, I see it. That shit like a damn cool stuff. Yeah, my house is in the That shit like a damn cool school. My house is in the league, about biggest in my school. Wow bro, okay. Cause even now when we got a small school, man. Like we really, it was,

it was 10 girls in our class, six boys. Damn. We had 300. What made you go there? Yeah, I know we back pulling, but damn we gotta tap into that. Yeah. It was a church school.

So my church, we started a school and I just stayed there my whole life. Yeah, five to 18. Five to 18 I went to the same school. I ain't know nothing besides the school. Then I got to the league. I ain't know nothing but the league. I was really the bubble boy like in the movie. Damn. Damn, I ain't know nothing but the league, I was really the bubble boy like, in the movie.

She ain't know. I didn't know that, father 18, that's tough. I'm like, what are you going to a church school? I would've crashed out. I know my first year in the league, I would've been filthy. You were a pastor's kid. Yeah.

I was. I ain't no nothing man. I ain't no nothing. Why are we there as locked up? As a rookie I had to learn to lead the league in kids. I'm rich and I got this over here. Who said lead the league in kids? You guys think, cause at Pike we got like what,

4,000 students? Yeah. Our shit was like a mini college. Yeah. Nah, I failed too. Y'all got 4,000 students. And Pike was 60% black. I don't even know what it's like to go to school

with that many people. Like I ain't never seen that many people until I started going to basketball games in the league, seeing thousands and thousands of people. So what y'all, I mean, obviously the hype was there. Know how good you was, like, was our games crazy? Like, was people pulling up to the games? Our games was crazy.

We couldn't play at our gym. Impossible. I was like, yeah, it's no way y'all. I think we played one game there. It was the first game, but it was so packed that it was about to shut the, what do they call it? The fire marshal might come. So we had to play at one of the colleges.

Damn. That was a time, man. Playing in high school and games is packed and. What was y'all rank? We was number three in the nation. Did y'all play Lil Will? Nah, we didn't play Lil Will. Nah, he was a little bit after me.

What was the year after me? But he was like 5'8". 5'8", 6'8", so they playing all the big schools. Yeah, cause they school big as shit. I went to that school with Lil Will. South Gwinnett? Yeah, that's a big schools. Yeah, cause they school big as shit. I went to their school. Yeah, that's a big school. Nah, for sure. Yeah, our school was small.

And it's way now, cause like, he's the coach of our alma mater now. And like, we was lit. Pike was a really, really good prominent basketball school. And like, people didn't even care. Like people came to the game to support us, but like people didn't care.

We know niggas good. Yeah. Damn. That was number two in the nation after LeBron. Yeah. LeBron senior, yeah. Yeah, that was 03, yeah. So like it was the support was always there,

but to like to hear that perspective, to have no one playing in a small school like that and then for y'all to be as good as y'all were as I puttin' out pros every three years and everybody was like, people support him. It was like, all right, cool. He was going to the game party night. Yeah, that's how it was.

It wasn't even a big deal. And we played. I see your hands was lit. I can imagine though. That's crazy you got that personality, bro. You went to a school from five to 18. That was on the 16th. The same school?

Yeah, bro. Cause with your personality, you would think that you went to a school like us. You feel me? Like you real social. Yeah, I would imagine you was like a class clown, but with five people in your class, you didn't, you didn't ever came to the school.

Like yeah. I was a school dead, you can't even clown. Like, yeah. I was a school clown. Oh God, yeah, I was a school clown. The teacher was like, Dwight, I'm gonna have you again next year or the year after that, tight up, nigga. I'm like, I'm gonna see you tomorrow.

That's what I'm saying, you don't even have the, you couldn't even switch classes. You're not the one that's lying to just you. You're right, we was in the same class all day and the teacher would come to our class. All we just had one teacher. Did you have like a role at the school? I was the school president.

Like we had like a little, you know, on our angle. Little scout crew. I'm gonna say, who did the election? The Lord? He just aggroed with the white people like, I'm grown already, fuck you. They weren't like, hey, you don't vote for me, I'm just gonna make that ass vote.

That's crazy. That's funny as hell. I want to ask you this question. You talked about this recently, regarding like the Yana situation, you said the grass might always be greener. I love to have that conversation with you here, because I know T talk about that, his old teammate,

you know, the landscape of the NBA, you know, people always talk about moving around and stuff, but some of these stars is like, you might as well just be where you at and just make it your own. Yeah, man. One of the craziest things I think I did was just leaving Orlando.

Not knowing what I had until it was really gone and not seeing like when you go somewhere else, you really in somebody else's shit. You think you can come over there and take it, but nah, it ain't like that. So, you know, being in Orlando, I ain't realize I'm young as hell, man. 22 in the finals, you know what I'm saying?

22, one of the best players already, MVP and all that stuff talk. And I didn't know what I was doing down there. You know what I'm saying? So I just tell you all this, man, you are Milwaukee. Where you going? You know what I'm saying? And it ain't nothing else gonna hit right after that.

You know what I'm saying? So I just think that his best bet is to just stay put. I mean, they add pieces around him, you know what I'm saying? So it ain't the other way around. Like he don't need to go nowhere else and try to figure it out. They gonna bring whatever he, and he already won. He already won.

What else do you gotta do? He gonna get his, if he stay, he gonna get a statue. The Nases will get a statue if he stays. Long story. Right now. The Nassas will get a statue if he stays. Long story. Right now. The Nassas will get a head coach if he's off. I swear to God. For real, he need to stay, man.

I understand wanting to leave and playing with these guys and chasing the ring, but for real, that's the one thing I don't like and I wish I didn't do was chase after a ring. You know what I'm saying? Going to teams, trying to figure it out. So I would say you gotta stay home, stay put. Nah, cause when you was in Orlando, I tell everybody

you was the most dominant player and it was like you was joking with people. Like we had four, we had four or five bigs. We had five. We had, we had all these old. Thomas, Josh Powell. Jason Collins. Jason Collins. Jason Collins, one of the grants with the Lois.

Yeah, we had a bunch of people. We had Al Horvath, Zaza. Zaza Petruyere. Yeah, we had a whole squad to stop you. In my rookie year, y'all beat us by like 40 year game. But our second year. He said every game. Y'all did, in the playoffs, y'all beat us by like 40.

With Gilberto, right? Nah, we beat y'all with Gil. But y'all first year, I think y'all had Hedo. Oh, damn, we was in the first year. We had like the biggest margin of victory in like NBA history against y'all. Y'all like, Woody was the coach, we was getting our ass beat. Then the next year we played y'all,

and we was like, we gonna let the White score 50. In our first game, you had like 36 in the first quarter, like in the first half. And I'm like, amen. This nigga might really score 50, y 50 y'all. They like, it's cool, it's cool, we got we got to eliminate the threes but I was just telling people how dominant you were like it was crazy you couldn't get a layup like I used to shoot floater at the top of the rack board and he would be just laughing like don't come back in here don't let him go let him go hey let him go I'm like, don't come back here. Let him go, let him go, hey let him go. I'm like, man what the fuck?

Jamiri N'Nam just let you go to the basket, he'll block it. He's a cheat code. It was fun as hell, man. And I think people took me laughing and joking as not taking the game serious. But I practiced so hard, I worked so hard outside of the games before the game started

that by the time we got playing, I'm like, man, this is fun. Going out there dominating, dunking, blocking shots, doing all that I'm doing, this is fun because I done put in all the hard work. So now it's really a show. That's how I'm taking it. Like, man, I'm finna put on a show.

We got all these fans. They ain't never seen me play live. I'm finna go crazy. I'm finna block a shot, smile, toss some trash to the, you know, and I didn't mean no harm by it. It's just, I just had so much passion about playing. You was dominant, bro. I'm always give you a flier on that.

That shit was crazy. I think Gilbert had brought it up on the pod. When they played Atlanta, his stats was like crazy. Like 40, like 40, 10. He only played against Atlanta, yeah. 35, whatever. Oh yeah, it's like he had something against us. That's what I was about to ask you.

I did. Being from Atlanta, what was it? Yes, I did. I did. One, I was mad because I wanted to play in Atlanta. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, man, they ain't even, I'm from Atlanta, they could have drafted me.

But then it was just like, I wanted to beat the Hawks because every game I saw somebody that I knew from growing up talking trash and they cheering for the Hawks, I was like, man, I got to, and the Hawks had like five bigs too. I wanted to destroy every single big, like that was my whole mission. Yeah, that didn't have a chance.

Nah, that didn't have a chance. That didn't have a chance. So that was y'all whole game plan to let me score? Yeah, that second time we played, because we beat y'all had no chance. So that was y'all whole game plan to let me score? Yeah, that second time we played, we beat y'all my second year. The first year y'all blew us out, but my second year they was like, let do IQ. And you was killing shit.

But nobody else was really scoring like that because we was just staying at home and you was just playing one on one, it was killing. Well, I don't know, we figured it out. Jamal had a big series. That was a smart ass game plan. Yeah, that's what it was. For real.

Because I'm like, man, I could keep cooking, but then my teammates wasn't as involved as the year before. You're getting sick. Y'all was playing 105. Yeah, that wasn't good. When you played with Atlanta, you wasn't on that team. Nope, I left the year he came. Man.

That would have been fine. Yeah. What the? Did you hit the white room when you got to the league? What kind of plan was you on? I did, I was skinny. I couldn't, I tried to lift weights before I got to the league.

My regiment before I got to the league was I was waking up, this every day in high school, was waking up 4 a.m., going to the track, then the weight room, then the gym. But I couldn't gain no weight. None of that stuff happened. Then when I got to the league, I started doing Olympic lifting

with our trainer in Orlando. And I would say after the first, the first year is what hit me. I started playing against the guys that was big and strong and I was like, man, I'm not gonna get pushed around no more. So I just started lifting and eating weights. Then I got too big.

I got too big. Yeah, I went and got a weight room at my house and every day I'm doing the bench press. Trying to get my bench right. I'm like, man, I gotta get close to 500 on the bench. I know that was true. Trying to get my bench right, you're benching 500? I'm trying to get to 500, yeah.

I'm like, man. You trying to get the 500, yeah. I'm like man, I'm trying to get the 500. You got the body slam here, buddy. Show them, think about it. Yeah, the bitch press. We was trying to, we was doing thousand pushups every day. Nigga, no wonder then. Cause I'm like, they shot the white with that shit.

Strong as shit. Nah, it was like 220 or something in high school. In high school I was 180, what, 185, then I got up to 220, 224. Then when I got to the league, they got me all the way up to 265, 27. That's crazy. That's crazy.

That's too big though. And that's crazy because like, they always compare like you and Yannis in situations like when y'all first came into the league and they're like a couple years after. I can see that. Yeah, y'all became fucking monsters. I can see that.

I think that he was, he is a like, the white Howard that could play with handles and you know, being able to go full court and all that stuff. In my era, they wouldn't allow the bigs to do that. And he had just came in at the right time where he could play one-on-one as a five, full court, bring the ball down.

I remember playing in Orlando, the coaches telling him every time I dribbled the ball, it tell them to come take it, don't dribble. So that's the only thing I could do was the jump hooks and dunk the ball. That's crazy. That Orlando team, we always give y'all credit and y'all flowers because y'all were early.

Y'all set the trend like that. Especially in this era, y'all would have dominated. With the threes, the keep the floor space with the threes. Come on man, he be targeting blue as the de facto point guard at six nine. Ryan Anderson shooting. Ryan Anderson shooting threes. Nothing but threes.

Crazy. Nobody talk about how Jameer played, man, but Jameer was cold, man. The way he shot the ball, it was underrated. I don't think people really talked about him, I think after he hurt his shoulder that year. But then having the two OG point guards, Skip Tamalu and Anthony Johnson.

AJ. Yeah, he used to call him No-Neck. That's crazy. Anthony No-Neck Johnson, that was my dog. He was one of my favorite point guards. And every time in the game when he got in trouble, he would just be like, Dwight and throw the ball up for a lob.

I'd be like, dog, just anytime you get in trouble, just throw that bitch up to the rim, I'll go get it. I'll shoot the lunch. Don't talk about that team too much. Like you said, Jimmy Nelson was doing this thing for sure. Skip to my little hoopin'. He just hoop like it was an M1. He didn't hoop on y'all team, bro.

How was that playing with him, bro? Man, that was so much fun. He's one of my all time favorites because I used to watch, I grew up watching an M1. Yeah. So seeing him on Anne One and then actually being on his team, I'm like, yo, this is sick, yo. Like this is really skipped to my Lou.

He was one of the coldest man. But he though, was one of my craziest teammates. And cold. And coldest. 6'10 can shoot anywhere on the floor, post up, you got handles. I think the NBA back then was such a like, I can't, I don't want to hate on the guys now that's playing

but I feel like we was, our era like, that era was really nice. It was a good time. I mean, I think it was a lot of cold people and we, I think like the best players to hoop was in that era. Like all y'all like hall of famers. Just think like the best players to who was in that era. Like all of y'all are like Hall of Famers. Just think about the names of the era.

You're talking about the Dirt and the Whiskeys, the KGs, the Tim Duncans, you got Amari, Stoudemire, you got LeBron, you got all. Hello. This era that we had, that was like. Right, it was all like Hall of Famers. It was probably one of the coldest eras of basketball. The basketball back then was so hard

because now the floor is spaced out. So you're getting all these points. Back then, everybody boxes their elbows. It's hard to score. It's hard to get 20 points a game in that league. But then, there's only 10 people scoring 20 points. So you see how cold the league was back then. Yeah.

You talk about the spacing. There wasn't no spacing. They had traditional power forwards and traditional five. Yes. And they wasn't shooting threes. None. Until they got them. When they start putting Rashard Lewis

and Ryan Anderson out there. Rashard Lewis was one of the first, I think it was Rashard, Rashid Lewis too. Cause we kind of got that from the Pistons. See Detroit beat us two years in a row in the playoffs when I first got into the league. Rashid Lewis? Rashid Wallace.

Rashid Wallace, that's why I meant to say Rashid Wallace. I know you. Yeah, I'm talking about you. I said Rashard. He's talking about me. I'm trying to say Rashid. Name Debo. I'll leave it out.

He stole me out, I'm saying. But now Rashid Wallace, I would saying. But now Rasheed Wallace, I would say how Rasheed Wallace and Ben Wallace and then the guys they had on their team, they kind of gave us the blueprint of what we needed to do to be successful. Like I need to change my mentality to be a beast in the paint. So watching and playing against guys like Ben Wallace,

Jason Maxile, Rashid Wallace, Antonio Medais. This is all on the Pistons team. So that team right there, the league can blame them for me wanting to get in the weight room and wanting to like go after people because for two years straight, they bullied us, man. They bullied us and we couldn't beat them in the playoffs our regular season.

Damn. Nah, that was crazy. Shout out to that Pistons team, Jason Maxill and Ben Wilde, that's a crazy frontcourt. And people forgetting about Rashid Wallace, yo. People forget how strong Antonio Mcdice was. Him too. And he had bounce.

I think that the Nuggets was getting buckets. He was cold. He was cold. He was cold. Jason Maxill was, what's he like, 6'6"? Jason Maxill 6'3 with an 8'3 waistband. Long as hell. Long as hell, looking like a digital turtle. For the answers you don't know,

y'all talking about, what's my name, Isaiah, up in Detroit? Nah, Jason Maxill. Where's Jason Maxill? Y'all seen that video of him chasing the dude in China? Boy, he would have killed that man. Boy, he would have killed that man. Hey, that was a cheese basketball.

It could get different for sure, man. Yo, oh God. Man, there was some times over there, I wanted to scrap. Why, you cannot fight that? They would have canceled your visa, bro. was some times over there, I wanted to scrap. Tell you why you cannot fight in a fight. They would have canceled your visa. You threw a guy over there. Me? What? Remember the guy that you threw?

No, I'm just telling you a story about that. He just talking shit. Yeah, we gonna pass. Yeah. They gonna be in the comments, be like, yeah, this one right here. Yeah. Tic Tac don't find y'all.

No. That's all that. But in China, we did get in Taiwan. We got into a, my team got into a fight. I got kicked out of the game. I didn't even fight. I was on the bench. That was the one time I actually didn't do nothing

to deserve a tech. So it was pretty intense. We gotta get you overseas, man. For me? Yeah. That's probably over for me. 10 days. 10 days?

I can do 10 days. How about I say TAT? Yeah, 10 days, man. I can do 10 days. I started the league over in Asia a couple years ago after my first year in Taiwan. And reason being is a lot of guys who've played in the NBA or trying to make it to the NBA once they don't make it or something like that, they usually tend to just be like, fuck it, you know

what I'm saying? Go down to rabbit hole of why they ain't played or whatever. And, you know, I really wanted to give a lot of guys opportunities to hoop across the water. The international game, the international love, international money, it's all out there. I feel like sometimes, you know, we just put ourselves in the box. If we don't make it here, then that's the end all be off. So we started League three years ago, and it's been booming, man. We got Boogie came and played, Quinn Cook came and played. We got a guy, seven foot foot seven that was playing in the league for a couple of years now.

But we got about eight, nine teams. The league is. Where your boy at? From Boston. That was on the pod. Big time. Nick can't wear a regular shoe. Taco Fall, he was about to come actually.

He was about to come actually and play over there. He went to mainland actually and play over there. He went to mainland China and play. But man. Shout out to Taco. Shout out to Taco, man. I remember watching him at UCF. He, UCF staff, and you can't finish.

He was at the right school. He could not finish in the paint. I'm like, bro, you seven foot nine, bro. Yeah, bro, he ain't got Taco Friday, this bitch. They ain't getting much. They ain't supposed to be Duke, they got cheese. They didn't get cheese. I love Taco, man.

For real, just to see his real progress. Like, he came into the league, he was not that skilled as he is now. He done got so much better. And he dunk, I know he's seven foot five, six, but he dunking those niggas. Like, he ain't playing around, so shout out to Taco, man. It's always funny, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like,

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man, you playing against really the best of the best. Like, so defense gonna be on point. Guys is gonna be really ready to lock you down, whatever it may be. When you go overseas or something like that, you get the green light. You trying anything. You gonna look like Mitchell Robinson.

He got the green light when he out there playing in the park or whatever it is that. So shoot, I do the same thing. For sure. At what point in your career did you like figure out that you was the one in the NBA? Like when did you feel like, all right, I can start taking over and leading my team?

I would say my third year, third, fourth year. Then we went to the finals. And then I would say going to the Olympics too, man. So many different situations, playing the Olympic team, starting on the Olympic team. That's when I'm like, man, I'm one of these guys. I'm here with Kobe, Braun, Jason Kidd, Mello. I'm starting with Kobe, Braun, Jason Kidd, Mello. You know, I'm starting with these guys.

But the league was just so crazy back then just to be mentioned with Kobe and Braun. You know, that's what I'm like. It was in the MVP talks. Yeah. He ruined the commercial. They fucked up that finals. Come on, no, D to the F, you fucked up a whole night.

Nike, yeah. Oh, you talking about the, oh man. They had the puppets and shit. I made my own puppet. Hell, I still got him at the Prills. Since you brought up MVP, I know that Derrick Rose, what you said, he was number two. That year, Derrick Rose.

Got it, so everybody in the comments like, man, you wasn't getting that shit over D-Rose. What y'all think? Nah, he wasn't getting that shit over D-Royal, what y'all think? Nah, he wasn't getting that shit over D-Royal. All him to the White House. Nah, D-Royal. What happened to you? Why he should have got it?

Bro, he had that Bulls team rocking, bro. He was number one. And you had to go, you had to go to him. Yeah, he fucking knew. They had a whole, they had, they had Boozer. They had a good team. They had a good squad. It wasn't just-

You did too. Nah, it was just him. It was not him. Come on man, Luau Dean. When he got hurt, Boozer. They good. They good players, but it was all cause of Poo though. Like Poo made the engine.

Like he was the engine. If they ain't had him, bro wouldn't even close. And he had the city cracking. I think that goes to the effect too. His effect of being at the crib and pulling the Bulls back up like that. Yeah, after Mike. That's the same thing with the Magic.

We did the same thing. No, I ain't saying you did the same thing. No, you did. You did, yo. You did your big one, bro. But that atmosphere was different, bro. In Chicago? Yes, just a better market.

He was just exciting. He was a small guard, bro. And they, like bro said, bro, they was number one, bro, in the league. It was. That's good that y'all said that. So, Shea or Jokic this year? This year.

It's gotta be Shea. You asked him. Yeah, Shea's gonna win. He got his Jokic, he's the MVP. Shea got a win. He got a win. Jokic having the best year he ever had. But last year, they told Shea that he has to do more

and he should got the MVP last year. He should have gotten the, them are the best players in the league. He should have got the MVP. He has have got MVP last year. He should have gotten them the best players in the league. He should have won, but he has to get it. We know the Joker's the best player in the league. Nobody's gonna argue that. But this is SGA MVP. The first big to average a triple double though, that's it. Bro, he's one of the coldest.

He's one of the best centers of all time. There's no question. But SGA gotta get the MVP, bro. They out of pocket. He gonna win MVP. He got to. But D-Rose that the MVP bro. They out of pocket. They all like that. He gonna win MVP. He got to. But D-Rose that year bro. Like people had to link up to beat him.

Yeah. He still wasn't beating the magic. Who? They been to the Eastern Conference Funnels. When they got hurt, when he got hurt though, they still was number one like the next year I think. Nah, hell nah. I think that's when Jimmy Butler had evolved into his.

With Jordan left the Bulls. They were number one in the East though. Still top in the tops in the East. They were still a top team. I mean, cause Nate Robinson was hooping that year and shit, but it wasn't the same, bro. I mean, take you off the Orlando Magic team, man. They ass too, not ass, but they was.

Damn, my team was cold, man. If you don't play though. If you don't play though. You don't play Doug Chase. Who was your backup center? Gortak? Marci Gortak. He was a great backup. Shout out to Marci.

Yeah he was good too. They knew Ja'Wal was fucking shit up for a minute. They had a crazy pick and roll. Man that little, what they call that pick and roll? The Gortak screen. Yeah, he got his own screen name. That's cold now. To be in the league and have a screen

or whatever name after you, that's pretty tough. Yeah, he was clothesline niggas on the screen. You think you should have got the MVP over D-Rose? I'ma be, yeah. I mean, I can't say that. I doubt that was my year. I thought that was my year. I mean, obviously, you know,

I ain't gonna never hit on D-Rose cause that's my dog, he's been with Adidas. You know, that's when we first started, you know, I ain't gonna never hit on D-Rose because that's my dog, he's been with Adidas, you know, that's when we first started, you know, kicking it a little bit. But I was like, dang, I thought that was my year, bro. I thought that was our year. You know what's crazy? I think, and this is obviously a crazy hypothetical,

if you did that in Atlanta, they would have gave you the MVP. I think the city effect that he had, obviously he played for Namba, the way that he brought that city up and that support behind him was so crazy, they was damn real under NAMB. Cause that was a basketball city at Miss Jordan. And they just like, oh, we got the next one.

And he from here, he gonna save her type shit. And it didn't help me, he was killing neither. So what was the biggest snub MVP snub to y'all? It gotta be, it gotta be the national. Steve Nams got the MVP snub. I was gonna say that one. I think that too. I was gonna say that one. That's tough. That is tough. Yeah, that's a tough, it gotta be. Steve Nash. Steve Nash got to MVP. Yeah, I was gonna say that one. I think that too. I was gonna say that one.

Yeah, that's tough. That is tough. Yeah, that's a tough question. I had to think about it. The biggest snub. Shaq could've got one of them. Shaq could've won that. I was gonna say the Shaq and the Kobe one.

Yeah, Shaq or Kobe should've got them MVPs, but. Shaq should've won every year. You say every year? Damn, nigga, it's close. The early 2000s, bro. Every year you should've won MVP? You mean the early 2000s? Yeah, for him to only have ones out of pocket.

He only got ones. So why you only think he got one? I don't know, bro. Cause it's bullshit. Cause Yoke is about to have four and... But he really killed in the playoffs though. Yeah, was he killing in the regular season? He killed, but...

I mean, the documentary came out saying he was coasting until it was time to kill. Yeah, he killed in the playoffs though. He was still Shaq, he gonna get 25 and 10. I mean, which I know who I am though, bro. Shaq, yeah, cause I mean, they don't give you the MVP till what? Damn near the finals.

But it's for the season though. It's funny, what is the actual rules on it? Cause it seemed like every year switch up. Thank you, Dwight. I don't know, shit. It's supposed to be the season announcing the post season, but everybody feels why it's'd be like, all right, if the MVP losing the first round, he might not get MVP.

They need to switch all that up. Yeah, and the qualifications of it. Just, I think it should be the, who the most important player on the team. Like if we take this from the team, how good would this team be realistically? I think that's how the MVP should be. I mean, but that's every team though.

Nah bro. That mean everybody gonna have them their MVP candidate. Nah, not really. If your team is like top five. But I'm saying like, yo, Joker, how do we say his name? Joker. Joker.

Take him off the team, bro. They, they mid, bro. But you take. If you take, Jason take them off the Celtics, they good. You take Jalen Brunson off the Knicks. They cool. Playoffs. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept

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Yeah, bro. I think you should at least be maybe top three seed. Cause I mean, y'all not gonna get nobody MVP that's averaging 30 and that is seven seed. I mean, Yoko's won it one year, but that was like the sixth. He was like the sixth. They gave MVP to players that team wasn't top five. It rarely happened, but I mean, the way that he dominated

was undeniable too at that time period. I think KG could have got it a couple more times too, bro. In Minnesota? Yeah, KG used to kill in Minnesota. They just wasn't winning. He got it at the time he needed to get it. They just wasn't winning, bro. MVP's are just really needed to get it. They just wasn't winning, bro. I think he's just really hard to come by.

I gotta ask you, because you play with Brian, you play with Kobe. Like what was the difference between them two? Like Kobe, Kobe's a asshole. Not saying he's an asshole to me, I'm just saying like his personality, like he a asshole, like he don't give a fuck. Braun give a fuck.

He won't everybody to like him. He won't to joke around, laugh, have a good time. I just think they two ends of the spectrum when it comes to their personalities. And on the court, Kobe's just trying to get 50. He's trying to kill. Brun.

Who you think was better? Shit. Scoring wise, you gotta go with Kobe. How though? And Brun got the most points in league history. Because he played for the longest. He getting dunks and layups. I'm talking about scoring though.

It is scoring. It is scoring. I'm saying like scoring though. It is scoring. It is scoring. I'm saying like as far as getting buckets, like. Shit. All the way around. I mean how else you gonna be getting buckets if you can't stop me getting to the basket? Listen, don't fall into that Dwight.

I'm just saying. I think Bron the best scorer all the time. Bron is the best scorer. He's saying on different spots though, Kobe could get to a better than Brian. I ain't gotta get to that spot, I'll just run you over. You can't really,

cause Kareem had the most points before. He has the best score. And I think Kareem, I still would think, I'm always going with Kareem cause I think he got the one shot. I used to tell them Kareem to go, cause he got the one shot and nobody could stop. And he had 30,000 points, doing twos.

He ain't shoot no threes. That's crazy. He have no threes. He doing one. He was shooting that hook shot from the tree. He did play 28 years. Yeah. But he's still doing two points to get 30,000.

That is a lot of buckets. And he's the greatest height. Well he did, he got the most high school and college accolades, all that stuff. His career is insane. Yeah, his career is crazy. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like what?

You would take bra because it just. Nah, because I just watched basketball. I'm like, I would take bra. Kareem is literally one and done. Who's stopping Kareem? I'm saying you would never see that ever again. Who's stopping Will? Your dad did not have you in the hood shooting hook shots. Like Kareem? I'm saying you would never see that ever again. Who stopping Will? Your dad did not have you in the hood

shooting hook shots. Like Kareem. A thousand times. I was doing hook shots on my own. That was one of my favorite shots. Yeah, but you never. Stop! You never did the wake up.

You never woke up. You look at my highlights. Mom was running hooks. I did all running hooks. You was not throwing your leg in the air. I wasn't doing that. I wasn't doing that. I was doing a 3.1. I seen your hospital fix. I was doing jump hooks. You was not throwing your leg in the air. You was doing this. I wasn't. I was doing three foot long. I seen your hospital, I was doing jump boots.

Drop step. Boom. You did not say I was gonna put like Kareem while doing the part. No, I didn't. I nailed that. No. I don't think nobody's saying that.

That's my boy. Yeah, there it is. Nobody's saying that. He said he made the shot because they banned Duncan, right? I wanna know how he, because of Will. Because the goals, the goals probably wasn't as strong to handle people dunking like that than they are now. So I can understand that because when I was in high school

and that's not even that long ago, we couldn't dunk in warmups. We still can't do that. No. Yo, that's a real rule. Yeah, because you won't break the goals and stuff like that. We know in Jersey they let y'all do anything, man. Yeah, ain't no rules in Jersey, man.

We don't go to the shot clock. I think they about to add the shot clock. Y'all don't have a shot clock? We don't have a shot clock. What? Y'all had that in Georgia? I don't even remember. No, you don't remember.

He said what? I don't even remember. I don't even remember. Hey man, who's gonna talk to their wife for 24 seconds? I can't give. I don't know. I don't remember. Tell what? Like, he should fuck. I don't know. I don't know. Who's gonna talk to the wife for 24 seconds? I can't give him a ball. No.

It's facts. What's that the, what, was that the game plan though? At high school? Let's get this thing on the board. Hold on, yeah, he ain't answering the question, bro. Oh, okay. Who better? Brian or Kobe?

Oh, Brian or Kobe? You're right, T. You're right. Damn, man. You gotta try and let him get up to the hook. I was trying to. Everything, everything combined, you gotta give it to LeBron.

Okay. That scoring wise, I gotta say, I like Kobe. If it's late in the game, I'm giving the ball to Kobe. Okay. I'm not gonna give the ball to LeBron late in the game. I'm gonna give it to Kobe. I take it. But LeBron got it.

He got it. I take that. That is funny to say that LeBron don't get considered as a scorer. He got the most buckets ever. We understand how, but that's crazy. I never understood it. He averaged like 25 every year.

Bro, I had the most buckets ever, bro. I think it's saying I'm not supposed to be crazy. He don't have a Kareem style line. Brian score all over the floor. I mean, of course he get majority inside. So does LeBron have a bag? I'm bigger, I'm stronger, I'm faster. I don't need that.

Does he have a bag? I don't need a bag. Don't let him get off the bench. He don't have a bag? He don't. He don't do moves. They don't do. Nah, but first of all, don't disrespect one of the best

moves of basketball. That one will come. Hang on, friend. It's no way I'm letting this man look at his hand and the ball and he shoot it. Every time. He do. He look right at his hand and look at them and go back.

That's the part where I'm like, hey. That's how I know he the GOAT, bro. When he was younger, he used to get real disrespectful and spin the ball in his hand and I'm like, Brian is so fucking disrespectful because we know you're not passing, bro. Yeah, I think y'all might got Brian fucked up. Brian got a bag, bro.

Not a car, not a car, he got a bag. bro. Not a company bag, but he got a bag. He ain't got no bag, he got a stibble. He do, bro, cause it's passing, it goes into that too. I mean, he could pass like a motherfucker. He could pass like crazy. Any kind of way. We talking about his bag, like he not a handler. Why he probably doing me 300, bro?

I don't need a bag, bro. Get out my way or you gonna die, bro. Facts, facts. He don't need no bag. I ain Get out my way or you gonna die, bro. Facts, facts. He don't need no bag. I ain't seen Brian twing, twing, twing, pull up. I mean, he nice. Yeah, it's a project. But he ain't got handles like that.

So you say he better than Jordan? Hey, come on now. This nigga podcasting that. Yeah, I think he better than mine. He better than Jordan? Yeah. In what? Shooting?

Everything. Oh, shit. It ain't nothing, he can't do that, Mike. I don't better than my. He better than Jordan? Yeah. In what? Shooting? Everything. Oh shit. It ain't nothing, he can't do that Mike. I don't know about shooting. Shit, Mike can't shoot threes. Mike had a crazy mirror. Mike still can't shoot threes. He leap, fade away.

Yeah, but well he can't do that Mike. For real, I wanna hear y'all answer. Besides the final stuff, but I feel like, me I feel like Brian played better players in the finals and had to go through some tougher roads. Oh, we. Shit. We got Detroit.

Shout out to the Z. I'm saying, Mike didn't play Detroit in the finals. He had to get through Detroit. Yeah. Yeah. But he had to play with the Lakers scene. That was all the Magic. That Phinney Sun scene was the league.

Magic was old. Magic was on his way out. They played the Simpersonics. They played the Sun. Simpersonics, no disrespect was old. Magic was on his way out. They played the Super Sonics. They played the Suns. Super Sonics, no disrespect to G.T. But he was nice to Curry, Kevin Durant. And nah. But you just said y'all got the best air.

We do got the best air. Okay, that's brawn air, bro. Yeah. I played O.K.C., the one-on-one. I played three Hall of Famers in James Harden, Westbrook, and K.D. He had to get through K.G. and them. Then I had to get through Boston. Then I had to get through Boston.

Yep, had to get through Boston. Spurs was historically good. Spurs, you have five Hall of Famers. Yep. And that goes to say that team's one of the best teams in NBA history. NBA history. And then, who?

No disrespect to Mike, but he played John Stockton and Carl Malone. That was cold though, bro. They are, but that duo. Shout out to Jeff Horn and say. that duo is not better than no other duo that we just named. That my brother Brian played in the finals. You taking him.

I don't know, Freaky Karl, bro. Stockton and Karl Malone. Y'all taking him over Tim Duncan, Janot, me and Parker. Freaky Karl though, it's crazy. Wow. I won't stay out of that one. You can't. Yeah. I won't stay out of that one. You can't. Yeah.

I won't stay out of that one. Shout out to Prince of Cairns. He was a, he was a bucket. You think, you think. 30,000 probably. You think that's it. I'm missing Carl Mellows, but he's top three in score, right? You taking him to Tim Duncan?

And John Stock that don't he got the most? Why not? I'm not, I'm not even. Yeah. Nah, I'm taking Tim Duncan all day. All facts. He's better. Yeah, I'm just wrong.

Me, I'm taking him to nothing. And our defensive aspect too. Yeah, I'm taking him to all day. All fucks. He's better. Yeah, I'm just rolling with Tim Duncan. Me, I'm taking Tim Duncan. And for our defensive aspect too. Yeah, I'm taking Tim Duncan. We had this argument, who better, Tim Duncan or KG? Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan, no disrespect to KG because I'm disrespecting Tim Duncan. Man, Tim Duncan had a better career.

Nah, I'm taking KG. He was real hard, bro. What y'all want me to do? I got San Antonio lit. Who the fuck want to go San Antonio? If he was more of a selfish player, the stats would have been more on YouTube. I got Rashid over Tim Duncan.

I'm not mad. He must've got you buckets. It must be y'all. Y'all know what I'm saying? No, Rashid was cold, man. He was cold. Rashid made the white hit the white room, that type of shit.

No respect. That was your middle of work before. I can tell. Yeah. He heard the stripes against him, but ain't no way he'll hit the heat better than Tim Duncan. What? It ain't no way to help.

Come on, y'all gotta, y'all can't do that because Rashid didn't have those comp, Rashid was more of a team. He didn't really care about having that kind of stuff. Now, I think Tim Duncan is the most team friendly nigga I ever seen in my life. Even with his paychecks. 50 games games probably.

What you mean? He took less to be home than those first teams. Yeah, because on the back end he was getting paid. Of course, he still would probably be getting paid. But I'm just saying, it looked like it. It looked good. Yeah, look at Jailor Burson. Y'all think he just took a L and a hundred M's?

No, he gonna have real state of New York. Yeah, for sure. I'm sure there's some backdoor shit going on. So y'all taking, okay, so KG or Rasheed? I got KG. I got KG. I'm gonna doing shit to go in there on stage. So y'all taking, okay, so KG or Rasheed? I got KG. I got Ticket. I'm gonna take KG.

But Tim Duncan over all of them. You can't miss it with either one of them. Those are all three probably the top five. Ticket was the first one to me to do what he did in the NBA. You gonna take that jazz team over to Spurs, Tim Duncan, Janobly and- I don't even like Utah. I don't like none of that.

Cause they said, I'm not sucking or nothing. And respect to Bar none of that. I'm not so good at that. And respect to Barry Russell, Genovese cooking him. For sure. Yeah. Oh, what? That's what I'm saying.

Russell? Yeah, Brian played better teams. He did, bro. Manu was that nigga. Shout out to Greg Ostrotag, but. It's lying. I think he would have been, well, no, we can't even say. We can't even say, Braun did play against better teams.

I give him that. Playing against, you gotta go through KD, Russ, and James Hart. All I gotta do is beat Charles Barknick, and Kenny Johnson. I gotta play KD, Steph, Stephen Curry, Draymond Green, Clay Johnson. We just looking at it from the paper,

like we not actually, some of these guys made, and I didn't have a name, like the KGs and all that, but they was cold back then. They was cold. They defense and all that stuff. Yeah, they are. They are. They are cold.

The 07 Cavs team was after World K. Remember who was on that team to the finals, bro. He don't remember. Go crazy. I renewable. DJ, stop him. I'm off. He got his fingers out, count.

I renewable. No disrespect. DJ stop helping. My fault. You got the fingers out count. Iron Noobles. No digital shit. Nah. Who else is on that team? What's the ball head point guard? See, well you gotta do that. Who bro, when he got that much time? Williams.

Who? What's his first name nigga? Start with a M. Yeah. Mo Williams. I don't think Mo was on that team. Mo wasn't even on that team. Oh he was?

That was E Snow. Yeah, Eric Snow. Oh, Eric Snow, that's one of the strongest point guards in the history of point guards. And when you guys start saying niggas was on that team. This nigga know the question about his life. He lying on niggas now. When you guys start saying what a nigga was

the strongest ever nigga, you know you, that ain't no, hell nah. Who was on that team? That's what I'm saying, bruh. Oh, Anderson Varajow. He was. He was on that team? That's what I'm saying, Brian. Oh, Anderson Varajow. He was. He was on the team. And the tall, what's the,

It was Gauskas. It was Gauskas on the team. Brian was what, 21, 22? They had a five team. Freaky Gibb was on that team too. Freaky Gibb was there, he was there too, guard, the point guard. Gibbs.

Come on, bro. Y'all trippin', bro. You talking about Booby? Yeah. Think about when Brian left, no disrespect to Booby Gibson, but what happened? Yep. Bro, not even to the team, the city died.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Braun should've got MVP. So what's gonna happen when Braun retired from the league? It's a good hands. Yeah, it's a good hands. Anthony Edwards here. For sure. Okay, he shot out of Atlanta.

So he the face. Yeah. So Ja' gone, he done blew it up. Ja'? Ja' blew it up. Yeah, he shot it up. I don't think that they wanted Ja' to be the face of up. Ja? Ja blew it up. He shot it up. I don't think that they wanted Ja to be the face of the league. What about Wimby?

Nah, he ain't got no personality. No disrespect, but you can't be from a different country and be the face of the league. Yeah, he gotta clean his English up some more. Clean his English up, it's crazy. If that's the case, Ja could be the face of the league. Yeah, he just can't be. But Yoker, he don't even do no media or nothing.

But he's white, he's there, quote unquote, out of shape for an athlete. He fits the stereotype of everything they would want to promote as being the face. Ain't he good? If he ain't doing it, bro, it's probably not gonna be. Like even Luca, like Luca Cole, but you can't be the face of the league

because you can barely understand him. I give it to A.E. I give it to A.E. They both got it. A.E. gotta win. If he win this shit, they gonna give it here. I think it's gonna be Minnesota versus the Knicks. Yeah, I got Minnesota him a say. Hey, he's a job. They go with that. Hey, he gotta win. If he win this shit, they gonna give it here. I think it's gonna be Minnesota versus the Knicks. Yeah, I got Minnesota Knicks finals.

Yeah, that's hard. I like that finals. And that trade-out be crazy. He a place in front. I gotta say, I appreciate y'all coming on the show. But in the end, the pressure will be NBA finals. You know what, I been having, I been rocking with Indiana.

I just think that New York might get them this year because they got a big, they got a big that can post, shoot, do it all. So that's why I got Knicks over Indiana. Why you think Halliburton was voted most hated? Cause they don't like him? But it's no way. I heard that it was only 13 guys

that said that he was overrated. There's only 13 people who did that vote. That wasn't even a whole bunch of people for real. They just blew the whole story. But he not overrated though. But he not overrated at all. He nice. He nice.

He nice. He definitely nice, but I think it's because he was having such a rough, at the beginning of the year, it was rough. Yeah. Yeah, he had it. Is he a top 10 point guard? Right now?

In the league right now? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Alright, let's name him. Who better than him? Name eight. Are you looking at me or anything? You talking about Demi Lula or Tyrese Halliburton?

Right now I'm taking Tyrese. Just know right now. Before the injury. If you go look at Dame stats. What team I'm on? I got Dame. Any team? Yeah.

Of course you gotta go with Dame, but I'm taking Tyrese right now. Okay. Jalen Bryant. I'm taking your Shane High team, nigga. Dame or, Dame or goddamn Tyrese. Or your Shane High team. taking to your Shane Kott team, nigga. Dane Burr. Dane Burr, goddamn Tyrese. On your Shane Kott team. You gotta take him to China.

Who you taking? I'm taking to Taiwan. If I'm taking to Taiwan right now? Right now, you gotta. Oh, I'm taking Dane. I'm taking Dane. That's how we gonna do this. So you taking Jalen.

If you guys go to Taiwan, who you taking, Jalen Brunson or Tyrese Halliburton? So Taiwan, I gotta go with Jalen. Okay, you take it John Moran or Tyrese Halliburton? To Taiwan. John Moran. John Moran. I'm gonna take it John.

Okay, let's keep going. John gotta come, man. You taking Kyrie Irvin or Tyrese Halliburton to Taiwan? Oh man, I'll take it Kyrie. I'm even throwing Hallie over here. All right, all right, this is gonna be a fair one. Trae or Tyrese Halliburton, it's all wrong. Oh Trae, come on.

Bring your ass over, Trae, come on, it's all wrong. All right, now you in the lander, you're trying to get the win, you're trying to go back to the finals. Who you taking? Out of who? Out of people with just names. I'm taking Halle.

Halle gonna get me though. Yeah. Hallelujah. Halle is celebrating, White Pink Rolls. He clipped for me. Ty V, listen man, Ty V got that pat pat. What about Kyrie? One, two, three way back, huh?

Kyrie? Man, Kyrie is- Goat, he ain't gonna throw you no logs. Yeah, Kyrie gonna throw me laws, but he don't wanna play in Taiwan right now. But he said on your Orlando team- On your Orlando team to go back to the finals. Dwight Tyrese picking Rolfine families.

I need Halle, cause he gon' get me a lot of assists. He gon' be in the paint. He talking about who he wanna play with. He ain't saying who better. Yeah, I'm not saying who better. I'm saying the person who might make my job easier is Halle, cause that's what type of point guard he is. Yeah, that's a cut.

That's a cut. So I can't. I think you'd be good with Trae Young too. Cause Trae Young, he throw a lot of logs. So I'm looking at guys that's gonna be good for how I play. Guys that's gonna find me in my spots where I can finish easy and stuff like that.

So I know Halle from how he playing, me and him in a pick and roll, you can't drop. It's over with. You can't trap him because he's picking you apart. Now if I'm rolling down the lane, I got my four shooters over with. Yeah, and I think even, I mean, we're a solid scribe, but the way that our role players excel,

but the way he gets them open shots is like really underrated, I think. Cause he, he creates everything. When he don't play, we are sad. We're not in the team when he's down in the court. That's why I think New York might win. Cause if Ali ain't out there. Yeah.

Only thing I like, my chances with the Knicks is that one cat gonna foul. So I know the cat's gonna foul. My outsurge should be kinda keeping out the paint. Their wings are really, really good. They upgraded, obviously, but our wings ain't soft. And after like the fifth of July, we're not soft. Y'all not.

Let's not go into this pace of shit, man. I'm sorry, we're getting on the tension. You know what I'm talking about? It's a good basketball. I know the ball. I'm talking shit. Yeah, without Tyrese. Oh yeah.

Yeah, get well soon. Yeah, they're going back to New York. That's about to be a totally different team next year. There's some major changes that I can imagine is gonna happen, because they trying to get under that seller cap. And they gonna have to move some contracts. And they got a new owner too.

Do y'all think they need some more teams around the league? At least two more teams? Seattle deserves a team. Las Vegas deserves a team. Vegas deserves a team. Las Vegas deserves a team. Vegas deserves a team. I would love to see that. Vegas should have a team and I think Seattle should have a team.

Vegas and Seattle should have a team. Wait a minute. Vegas what? The Vegas. Elite. The Vegas. The Vegas Esports. Wow.

And with that being said. Wow, did he really just say that? Yo. Wow. And with that being said. Wow, did he really just say that? Yo, son. What's that mascot gonna be? Dude, he got some. Yo, that's crazy. How did that feed hit the clip, boy?

All right, all right, piggies. I'm not trying to get in there. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? That's right, this ain't no small shit, bro. I'm just talking. All right. I already know that. Listen, man. All right. Please, small. Small. Small. Small. Small. Small. Small.

Small. Small. Small. Small. Small. Small. Small. Small.

Small. Small. Small. Small. Small. Small. Small. Small.

Small. Small. Small. Small. Small. Small. Small. Small. Small., I'm gonna say. I wanna ask y'all something.

Cause we went to the Hall of Fame thing. It's gonna be Mello and Dwight. Next year is gonna be a hard decision. I don't think it's a lot of names. Who y'all think it's gonna be? Stoudamire, Blake Griffin, John Wall, Andre Goudala, and Joe Johnson. I think he will Goudala get in.

Yeah, he gonna get in. I think Blake might. He got to. I think Blake should get in. There's a high possibility of him getting in for sure. I think Joe would get in too. Yeah, because Joe should get in. Joe should get in.

Go around, and Joe, seven time All-Stars. Joe should get in. Tough score. Yeah, Joe would get in. Yeah, Joe get in. And you said Stat, right? Stottemire, yeah. I ain't know Stottemire wasn't in there. Marlon Stottemire was cold.

He was so cold. He was cold. Yeah, Fiends, what he used to do, he used to fuck Tim Duncan up. Yeah. Yeah, he did. Yeah. I didn't mean to throw that in the air. I think it was my fault. You did, you did.

I see what you was trying to get at. My fault you did. I see what you was trying to do. My fault, my fault, gang. I see what you were trying to do. I never seen this. So if Amari never got hurt, where does that put him in power fours all the time? Ranking. Definitely.

Top five. Top five. He was going to be top five. He didn't get hurt. He was crazy. Yeah. And that's why, and that's no smut to Steve Nash, but you look at those Phoenix teams

and the Rosses that they had. Like he had Joe Johnson, he has that like. Q-Way, Sean Marion. They had to give it to Steve Nash though, man. One may be cool. But then playing with a point guard like Nash mixed out of my ear. Yeah, it did.

It did, but he was fire on New York too. He was fire with New York, but it was kinda, he didn't have that. He had that point guard. Yeah, but he got hurt though. Cause you got like, when Chris Paul was with Clint Capella, it's like Clint Capella being, you know, when he left, he wasn't the same.

I'll be like saying with him, like, he had like a real past first. You got to think he went with Kobe. Clint Capella was hard though with James. James Harden could pass. He just choose who he want to Kobe. Then you went with James Harden. You think Kobe was cold though with James. James Harden could pass. He just choose who he want to pass. Clint was nice with James. Because Clint was true Clint.

That's just throwing lives all day. You probably would have been. But that's a whole different era. I think Jermay was like that, but then once we started doing the one, with the four out, one one in everybody shoot threes, then they kind of wanted a different style from just a pick and roll, get to the basket,

dunk that bitch, they wanted more threes. You might've looked different though with Rondo. When I was in my prime with Rondo? Yeah, it would've been different. It would've been different, bro. You got think you played with Kobe, then you went with Harden, then you went with John Wall, and you went with, what was the other guy, Kimber Walker?

Like you always knew. You saw my score in point guards? That's true. That's a good call, bro. I see what you're saying for real. I had to ask you, what was the craziest season? The Charlotte year or the Washington year? My Charlotte year.

You said crazy, Er? Yeah, what was crazy? When I had, in Washington, it was a lot of shit that happened. That was like, damn, I had back surgery that year. So that year was crazy. And I was playing on one leg for half the season when I played with Washington.

So when I did play for Washington, I was so hurt that I couldn't even tie my shoes. The trainers had to put my shoes on my feet for me. I couldn't sit down on the bench because my back, I had to stand up during timeouts, had to stand up the whole time during games. On the planes, I couldn't sit down. They had to give me like a bed that I could take everywhere. On the buses, I couldn't sit down. They had to give me like a bed that I could take everywhere.

On the buses, I couldn't sit down. So that year was real tough for me physically because I don't think people understand the herniated disc in your back is probably one of the worst injuries you could have in life, not just basketball. So me having that injury, trying to play, it was the worst decision I made from doing that.

But then I had the surgery, came back, and we won the chip the next year. Yeah. That's crazy. They always like criticize athletes for like not playing through the pain or stuff like that. But like normal people, they couldn't go to work. Right.

But you couldn't stand up. Like you couldn't tie your own shoe. That's causes for you not to be playing. I still was hooping. I still when I damn played, I could tie my own shoes. Like doing like this, I couldn't do that. You know, just having to go out there and play with that. That's crazy.

You all know how I did about it. I was like, man, I gotta keep playing cause I wanna win this chip. That's why I was talking about chasing the ring early and all that stuff. I think that's such a bad approach. That's why I was talking about chasing the ring early and all that stuff. I think that's such a bad approach. That's why with Yannis like, dude, you gonna have some good years and bad years.

Michael Jordan played for 14 years. He won six championships. So he didn't win the rest of the years. You know what I'm saying? So. It's his quote. Remember in the. Who, Yannis?

Yeah. Oh, he said that? Yeah, he said that last year. But it's true though. Like, you know, we, as? Oh, he said that? Yeah, he said that last year. But it's true though, like, you know, we, as players, we expect to win, then the fans and everybody else expects for us to win the same way.

So now we putting that added pressure on us, you know? And I think Yannis, they lose a couple of years, everybody like, man, it's Yannis' fault. He gotta do this, he gotta do that, he gotta get better. And it's just all noise, you know what I'm saying? If I could go back, I just shut all that noise off, man, it's Yannis fault. He gotta do this, he gotta do that, he gotta get better. And it's just all noise, you know what I'm saying? If I could go back, I just shut all that noise off, man, and just continue to focus on getting better. Like, he one of the coldest ever.

Like, he should never leave Milwaukee. He gonna get everything he want and more in Milwaukee. He gonna go somewhere else and find out that the people really might not fuck with him like he think they do. They talking about him like going to the do. Only thing is that they talking about him like going to the Spurs. That might be crazy.

That would be crazy. I don't like it though but. Him and Wimby. Yeah that's gonna be scary. I think people would have pulled up on you. If you were to stay in Orlando, I think people would have pulled up on you in Orlando. I don't think niggas is pulling up to Milwaukee

to who will y'all next. Nobody was pulling up to Orlando. Who said required? We was trying, they were nobody, nope they couldn't get nobody. Who was somebody that you wanted to come over there? Nobody was putting up to Orlando. He said, why? We was trying, they were nobody, nope, they couldn't get nobody. Who was somebody that you wanted to come over to? Steven Jackson, somebody for like defense

and stuff like that. Jack Jack. Really, I love my squad. I ain't want to trade nobody on my team. When I wanted to leave Orlando, it was solely just based off me. My decision, I felt like I needed a new place. Being young at the time, like man,

everybody telling me, man, you need a new place, man. You been here for so long, man. Go somewhere else and start over. I'm like, dang, maybe that's what I need. You know what I'm saying? So again, I would say he gotta shut all the noise off, stay silent, man, because people gonna say whatever they wanna say,

people gonna tell you how they would handle the situation, but one, they ain't making $200 million. They ain't the face of a franchise. They ain't got all this stuff riding on them, whatever they choose, you know what I'm saying? So I feel like he gotta get quiet, get away from everybody, let him make his own decision based off

what's gonna be best for his life. They said that to Dame too, leaving Portland. I felt like Dame should have. Oh yeah, I don't believe in leaving. Like if somebody give me the franchise, I'm staying. Yeah, he talk about that all the time. I'm making 500 million and just chilling. There's one thing I would say going back like, damn,

like when you have something that's yours and it's really yours, like that shit was mine. You know what I'm saying? Milwaukee is his, you know? So now you give it up, you leave that bitch hoping for somebody else to come in and take it. You know what I'm saying? So.

And the same people that I tell him to leave are criticizing him for over to work. As soon as he don't work that off, but he should have stayed. You should have stayed. You shouldn't have left. I know how that feel, man. So I hope he make the right,

the best decision for him and not for everybody else. And shoot, I fucked with Milwaukee. At one point in my career, I was trying to go to Milwaukee and I played for the Rockets. Fuck with you on? You want me to tell y'all the truth? I was like, I see some potential in Milwaukee.

Before y'all won the championship, when you noticed, I was like, man, I see some potential in Milwaukee. I wanna play with Yonis and all that. Just when I played for the Rockets. And then a couple of years later, y'all won the championship. Well, you had the vision, cause I showed him to see that shit.

You had a different type of vision. It wouldn't go there on everybody nigga. You the white heart, you out of pocket. You got two NBA champions though. My shit fake. I was just there. What y'all think about that? People would say they both fake, they say the bubble.

No, ours was real, but mine was ain't real. I didn't do nothing. I was over there. What was your experience like in the bubble, speaking of that? Did you like that shit or what? It was, I liked it because I got a chance to just get away from everything,

but at the time my son's mom had just passed and they wouldn't let him in the bubble. So, you know what I'm saying? It was real difficult to be without my son. And at first they told me he could come, so that's why I was like, shoot, then I'm gonna go to the bubble if my son can come. And when I got down there, it was like, nah,

you gotta stay over here and you gotta stay over here. And so it followed me for a couple weeks. Then I just had to lock in and just kind of block everything out and just hoop. But the bubble was cold. It was hard to play out there because you ain't got nothing but time. Yeah.

So it was pure hoops at that time. It was like, hey, you turning me out there. No fans and shit like that. That's how I think that was different for all the players though. Yeah, that's shit. Moving out there, bro. You gotta be there for mentally for that type of shit.

And people tried to skirt it, bro. It was a fucking pandemic, bro. Like- Yeah, that means the whole world is shut down. What are y'all talking about? It was pressure on everybody, bro. This hit go depth up with their family. Like that's crazy.

People had to go leave their whole family and everything to go down to play, you know, during this time. People get COVID, people get died. George Floyd situation was just going on. It was so much happening. They had a protest outside of the hotel we were staying at when we was there. Damn.

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