Club Shay Shay - Club 520 - Gilbert Arenas on CHANGING THE GAME, playing Jeff Teague, getting a BAG at Arizona

Episode Date: July 29, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 87 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Gilbert Arenas to discuss all things basketball. Gil talks about starting Gil’s Arena, playing against Jeff Teague, getting a BAG to play at Arizona, changing the game from the three-point line, and what modern-day NBA player reminds him of himself. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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See terms at DraftKings.com slash DFS. Live from Jalisco Resort World Club 520. We out here in Vegas Summer League doing it big. And you know what? If you're happy to see this is the last episode we do in the Vegas, and what better way to end it with a legend, a special, special guest to my left. We're going to introduce my man's last, but to my far left,

we got my dog, Bishop B. Henn, Arthur Pearly. How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty. Let's get to it. Arthur Gates to the right, my dog. Young Nacho, Young Tig, how you doing? I'm chilling, bro. Y'all know this is a special episode for me, man. I wore number zero because of this guy.

So I'm hyped. It's a huge honor to have him on the show. We all been trapping by the devil this weekend. So excited to it. Yeah, for sure. Defeats, we left them at the crib. We out here getting to it. Yeah, for sure.

But what's crazy is, for real, for real, like, me and him early on got really cool because we shared a common theme. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if you know this, but, like, this is, like, you're his favorite player. Oh, man, for real. He wasn't bullshitting about him wearing zero because there was no podcast.

That was real shit. Yeah. Thank you. And I won a lot of money playing with the Wizards on 2K for us. So, he was definitely my favorite player. So, he was locked in. But if you don't know who this is, look, man. Hibachi, the man who got it cracking.

Pioneer hoops in the NBA, though. Style of play. They couldn't do like he did. Gilbert Arena, some gills arena. Appreciate you pulling out the 520, big dog. Thank you for the NBA, though. Style of play. They couldn't do like he did. Gilbert Arena, some gills arena. Appreciate you pulling out the 520, big dog. Thank you for having me, man. Appreciate it, appreciate it. They've been waiting on this episode.

We have, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're geeked about this, man. I've been watching it. You've been doing your thing, man. Appreciate it. I want to kick off, though, with a question. How do you feel about Michael Ealy picking up Megan Good?

Huh? How do you feel about Michael Ealy picking up Megan Good, bro? Is that out of pocket or what, bro? No, if you see the whole thing, he did shake dude's hands first, and then he went to me. Still, still. It kind of made him uncomfortable.

Started looking on his palm higher. You know, he got a little episode on there. That'll lift my girl up. That'll take my girl off her feet. And I was dying, he got a little episode on that. That'll lift my girl up. Yeah, that's how it goes. Don't take my girl off my feet. And I was dying. It was like he was about to pull out the musket. You know, he was dressed like he in a fucking spigot.

You know, he was in shit. I'm a motherfucker. Like, what? Dressed like Django. I don't need no top. Now, listen, we always start to show off talking to Heat. And what better person to talk to than you? Because, listen, you was a pioneer of the foot game going crazy, in-game.

And also, I used to follow you back in the day on Instagram. Back when you was giving away the jerseys and shoes in the old career. Man, how was it like having your own signature shoe starting off and then you just playing in like crazy shit? You know, when it came to signature shoes, you know, it's always the Hoopers dream to get their signature, right? So when they came to me with the idea, like I wanted to be fully involved, right? And I'm like, yo, I wear low tops. I don't wear real basketball shoes like that. I'm more lifestyle.

I was wearing Air Max 95s in games, right? So everything was low top. So I was like, you know, I want to design it for more for you know chilling like jordans people didn't play in jordans right people didn't play in michael jordan shoes they wore around so that's how i wanted my shoe to be so um when that first one launched and everybody loved it it was like man i was already trying to figure out what we're gonna do with you know part two so you know when the gun situation happened they took that motherfucker from me.

Shit, all the shoes I've ever had, I just unleashed them. Right? Because, you know, even though I didn't, I couldn't wear Jordans and stuff like that, I always collected shoes.

So, you know, when I got down to Orlando, it was like, I just wear every shoe that I had in the store. You was going crazy. Yeah. All the pennies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. skid on in Orlando. You was going crazy. Yeah, all the pennies.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my childhood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Penny was my favorite player, so. Yeah. And also, you playing in the Air Max Plus was like,

I know the D&Gs get a lot of, like, you played in the, you played in the Air Max Plus. If you don't know what that shoe is, that is one of these stiffest shoes that does not have any good, give any weight in that shoe. Four back nuts.

So you the killer of that shoe, you was different, bro. The only thing, the only problem was when you like turn in the corner and that bubble hit that wood, you get in the slides.

For sure. For sure. My first time playing against you, it was after the gun stuff. You came back with John Wall, rookie year.

You wasn't wearing zero no more. I was wearing nine. I was hurt Yeah, before the game like I think like everybody knew like baby and I'm like, are you about to play Gil? Mm-hmm. What you gonna do you get out there? You gonna be a fan? I'm like hell no I'm asking for a jersey. So I walked out there you had nine on I'm like no I don't want the nine bro I don't want the nine I was like Nah that ain't right

I'm like I'm on the bench I'm at the end of the bench I'm like Why you ain't wearing zero He's like Man he putting that all away He don't want to do that no more

I'm like Ah he tripping I was hurt I was like Man I ain't asking him for shit I got in It was my second year I got in the game

And I walked up to you And I was like Yeah you was like Ah I got him I got him Cause Jamal was on our team He was like I got him I got him I was like, yeah, you was like, I got him. I got him because Jamal was on our team. He's like, I got him.

I got him. I was like, ah, shit, he think I'm, he think I'm sad. Yeah, I got him.

He was like, John, take Jamal. I got him. I was like, ah, shit. I was like,

I ain't saying nothing the rest of the game. Jamal. But these, the way these knees work, man, you just got in, man,

I figured you wasn't going to be shooting like that, man. Especially with Jamal. Jamal was on the court. He't gonna be shooting like that man man it's crazy man what y'all doing over at gills arena man shout out to the crew changing the game man like i know we do a podcast but it's like to the point y'all y'all not a podcast anymore y'all a whole entity. And like, could you talk about the difference between like going from doing a pod to basically like being streamers and like how that's changed, like the reactionary stuff and how that's evolved for you guys as a business?

Yeah. So, you know, I started back in 2008 when 2018 when it was podcast was more just like like serious radio yeah you know um it was i heart right it was just a voice it didn't have the face and i'm like man i'm an nba player right i'm a i'm a i'm gonna get my followers by you know me so you know i recorded it and then put it out and then people started liking the idea so back then i was getting paid off the audio and the video so I was putting the same shit boom boom boom right um I jumped out of it a few times because you know Matt and them came in and then they started with uh Showtime and then you know they're getting all the big guests I'm not even gonna lie they're getting A-list I'm getting C-list I'm like oh man damn come on man and then the knuckleheads came in they're getting C-List, I'm like, oh man, all right, damn. Come on, man. And then the knuckleheads came in,

they getting into like, come on, dawg. We know they're all too well. You know, like sometimes, you know, as athletes, we got all the contacts, but we don't wanna, like, I got KD, but I don't wanna ask him. And the motherfucker tell me, no, no, I gotta hate the nigga for no reason. Trust me, I know how August feels.

Oh, yeah, yeah. So, you know, I jumped out of it, jumped back in, you know. And then around like 2020, what happened was COVID hit. Everybody had to stop. Yeah. So everybody had to go to Zoom. And I was like, oh, this is me to stop. Yeah. So everybody had to go to Zoom. And I was like, oh, this is me right now. Yeah. So since everybody was Zoom, I was watching people Zoom in.

I'm like, that shit look raggedy, the internet bad. That shit look all goofy. So I'm going to just keep doing live. But since NBA players don't want to do it, I'm going to go to these high school kids. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right?

So I went to all the top, top high school kids, because they're going to be willing to do it. And then from there, it just took off. This is when I was with Fubo. So we did the finals. It was the finals watch party. So we're sitting here doing it.

Looked at the numbers and it blew out. And just sitting there like, man, when we do it just like ESPN, TNT style, where it's like about four or five of us, and then we just talk to sports like they do, but long version. They do like 30 seconds of topic, and then they move on,

and we just do it like that. So when I got the concept down, I met Rashad at 24 Hour Fitness. Nigga didn't talk to me for like two months. Nigga just walking around, mean mugging and shit. You know how you point to a nigga like, crack a smile, like, hey man, how you doing?

He just walk around, these are for no reason. Just these are for no reason, man. And then I asked him, what you doing, man? It's your podcast. So he came on the episode, Brandon came on the episode so when i was looking for a crew i look for the that i just finished talking to you yeah right and then that's how that like i was like i don't got no vision yet man i know what i'm thinking but i don't know how it's gonna look like all right i'm down and that's why like when we started getting bigger than that y'all should fight

like nah yeah when i didn't have, when I had just had a vision, no concept, these niggas was like, I'm in, I'm in, let's go. And then from there, we just,

that's hard. It ain't about, it ain't about like, our egos, right? It's, we all got a job to do and we just do it.

Yeah. So, you know, my foot call me a bitch-ass nigga in the middle of the show i don't give a fuck man you know what i mean i don't care man this is this is what we do it's just like a locker room right yeah listen man love the show y'all be going crazy y'all talkers be going all across and what i like about it is that you know i'm saying with this with this space that everybody you know i'm saying has a voice has an opinion that everybody can get

their own lane. Now if y'all have carved, like I said, with the streaming stuff, it's so prevalent now. Like y'all want to go to places, when something happen, they're like, oh, I need to tap on Goods Arena. When something happen, like even with Josiah, like he'll post, oh, we going live on air about this shit. I think that wave is going to be with next,

but I don't think it's something that people can like copy. You can't replicate that. So kudos to y'all for making your own space in that situation man it's it's you know everybody's so especially with timing right everybody it's it's usually once a week episode right um and when people talk about podcasts that's the lane that's getting oversaturated right the once a week right right now it's more about putting as much information as you possibly can out right like you guys are in the stage where you're gonna try to do like four or five shows

bank them so you ain't got to work for a while yeah right you know i've been there right and right now on youtube there's only five live shows and i'm on three of them it's my personal one it's five live shows and I'm on three of them. It's my personal one. It's Gil's Arena and then me with Shannon Sharpe and Ocho, but I'm just a guest on there. Then you got Pat McAfee football and then you got Sheed and Tyler. So that's the lane that everybody, but everybody's so scared because everybody want to be safe, clean up what they're doing. But for the most part, if you're good at what you do, you're good at what you do. So that's the lane you should jump into.

Noted, Mike. There ain't nobody really in that lane, man. And since you guys don't really have guests like that and you guys don't have to thrive off guests, the guests are just a bonus. So you can do your everyday like this and then do your guests once a week and still so you have you're in both algorithms honestly they hate when we have guests they tell us what they want to get like you was in the top five question yes but we have someone up but like

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you was my guy. You and Baron Davis were my guys and y'all was scoring guards. I get 30, 40, 50, 60 points. And, like, to see the league now, like, this is tailor-made for you. Oh, my God. You probably would have averaged with, like, 32, 33. Easy.

Yeah, for sure. Especially with how I played. You know, it's long ball, but I used to post up a lot. I used to post up smaller guards and just ISO work. So the fact that all the bigs are now pulled out to the three-point line and they don't take charges and shit like that. It's not crowded. I would have been sitting there getting nine, ten free throws.

Nightmare. And they didn't even power forwards with it that morning. So you really ain't got no contests after that. There's no contests. It was the point where when they changed the rule by the time you got in but back then there was no just jump straight up yeah right so what ended up happening i used to headhunt right if you was inside that key i didn't go for the layup i just ran into you i'm not saying when you right i'm just i'm just running straight to you if you in the lane you've been talking about shaq

shaquille o'neal and people like that and you. If you in the lane, you've been talking about Shaq, Shaquille O'Neal, and people like that, and you got caught in that lane, fuck that layup, dog. I'm running right into you. Layup right here. You right there. I'm going across the lane, hitting you,

then try to come back. Get your ass out of the game. I ain't got to see you no more. Right? So looking at the game now, man, it's like, ah, man, I wish that knee would have held.

I just like, four, five more years, man. Now now I took that from you and use it in college it's the same thing in college so my buddy Phillip he was the first person to show me I didn't watch NBA at all and he had NBA TV and he was like bro you gotta play like Gilbert Arenas and I'm like man how he play yeah NBA TV we sat there you know the highlights go by every once in a while. So, we had to sit there and keep watching,

keep watching. He was like, he just drive to the basket hard as hell. And I was like, yeah, I'm on that. And I just started playing like that.

I just drive to the basket, jumping to people. And I go to the free throw line in college. And then we knew, I knew you already because Jason Gardner was better than you

in high school. Get your shit off, King. My nigga was itching for that one. Because we're getting right to that. I was hoping y'all would be out back to Arizona. I take Jason Gardner from that. So, like, we knew you from watching Jason at Arizona.

So, we like, I'm like, yeah, he was nasty. He wore zero. Why he wear zero? And I just started following up, trying to figure out who you was. And then I started watching. Then I became a fan, for real. was my that was my guy man we used to uh we used to battle look we used like we had the same personality we used to battle football players who faster who had more money right we had the better cars like you know like you know when you

get to college and we used to have two what's that Bobby Bobby Wade ended up making it to the NFL right and those used to be our next door neighbors and we just

I get a radio he get a radio right Jason get a radio they get a radio like we was just it was just one of those things that we compete with

so but I told Jason man that you know Indiana cool you know you average little points out there, man. He was a dog, bro. He was a dog.

He was a dog. He was only 5'10". Damn near the best point guard in the country in 2000. 99, I mean. For real, so. It pushed me to the two. Yeah. Right, because I was a two my senior year, but I was a point guard.

Right, so when I came in, I remember my dad was like, he was like, you going after Jason Gardner's spot? And I was like, nah, man, he my roommate. And he was like, what the hell that mean? I was like, shit, he just give me the ball the whole time. So if I beat the two and we on teams, he just didn't give me the ball the whole time. So me and Jason used to talk about that.

Yeah. Right? And then, so when practice started, they was like, all right, Jay, you got the first pick. He was like, I got Gil. They was like, wait, what? I got Gil. You got McDonald's All-American, McDonald's All-American, McDonald's All-American. He got me first.

And we used to run the table, dog. I believe it. That's how me and Ishmith was. Ishmith was the point guard. I was like, shit, I ain't going to beat him. I'm going to run the table, dog. I believe it. That's how me and Ishmith was. Ishmith was the point guard. I was like, shit, I ain't going to beat him. I'm going to play the two. I'm going to play the two. That's the league, man.

Like, you know, you got to be able to shift one, two, two, one and have these different skills, man, to last because, you know, going to college, going to the NBA, there's people that's in your position already. Yeah. Right? So you got to find, you know, you got to find what the team needs at that moment in time

until you get to establish yourself. Yeah. I got to ask, with today's NBA Highest Play, now, what do you think the next wave will be? Because we've seen, you know what I'm saying, the game transition to a lot of volume threes, and now we're starting to see the big man having resurgence. What do you think might be the next wave will be? Because we've seen, you know what I'm saying, the game transitions to a lot of volume threes, and now we're starting to see the big man have a resurgence. What do you think might be the next wave in the NBA?

Bottom end, if you 6'5", you got to be athletic as shit. Other than that, it seems like 6, 7, 6, 8 is going to be the new point guard. For sure. Right? It just seems like, you know, especially with the overseas, like the overseas is not taking over. It's only two positions, the four and the five. Everybody's seven foot in that position.

And the fact that they're seven foot and they can shoot, the American bigs is far behind them. Right? So if you're going to go for a four or five, you got to go look for an overseas guy because here, you know, from AAU, if you got any height over the rest, you the center. Yeah. Right? So, you know, you're going to be stuck down low all the way until you're about 17, 18, right?

And over there, they're teaching everybody guard skills. But, you know, when it comes to the guard play, they don't have the foot speed. They don't have the athleticism. So somebody like Luka sitting at 6'10", yeah, he has the advantage, but who's the second best? Who's third best over there? Shea was trained as an American,

and they don't have any shooting guards. They don't have any small fours. That's dominating like that. So we got them 6' six, seven point guards, you know, what Luka is, is going to be coming soon. Speaking of six, seven point guard,

your son, he fit the mold. Yeah. He nasty. I ain't going to lie, he nasty. I be watching his highlights. I seen him,

I watch games. Like his, he got a score mentality. The lineage. Man, that's straight from you i'm like damn i heard i heard i heard you tell stories about how y'all train uh 600 shots in the morning things like that does he love it like that or that's just like he likes it oh he likes it he don't understand what the love is yeah right you know he's he's sitting there in that mode of, you know, I got my friends, girlfriend, my family, school. And he thinks all of it is on the same playing field.

They're like, no, you have to sacrifice three to my friends like that. You know, if you're trying to get to that level right so you know right now he he likes it a lot yeah and i'm telling like you probably won't love it until you make it to the nba something happen uh nigga whoop your ass out there or you see somebody working at a level you've never seen before and it it changes how you look at the game yes sir right so i don't expect you to you know be in love with it right now just go and try to you know practice and just have the good ass habits you know to make you good you know as a high school coach you know I'm saying when you see a player like that and as you see the progression stuff

and also other kids too daughter going to college going crazy as well when you see somebody like that in high school you're just like you're good now and you're not there yet how does it like to see somebody like that like it's not untapped but like, oh, you got another gear you can get to. You just don't even know it yet. Nah, it's like, it's like a blank canvas. It's like, bro, he's so talented. He got this and he got that. And it's just like, if he gets this or he works like this,

there's nowhere we can say he can go. It's like the sky's the limit or whatever. But like when I see him with the height the speed to handle the shot making it's like damn once he get a little stronger and he get the game it's like shit we looking at an all-star so you know how to get that motherfucker up there yeah oh no he gonna shoot like i said shoot on three people one time hey i'll be sitting there like man they're gonna be telling you I teach you this shit. Wait, you taught him basketball? Hell yeah.

Come on, just tell him a couple times. I see you said enough. I'm one of those, like, no, no, no. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. But that was the reason, and I tell a lot of parents, I said, stop teaming your kid. If your kid got talent, stop doing that team-up shit. Iting your kid. Have your kid got talent stop doing that team up shit I was my nurture children. I said high school is development for you and your child ain't about winning fucking Like

I've never seen a college coach come down and say, yo, how many high school championships you won? How many AAU championships you won? Oh, you, no, you averaged 40. I want you.

Right? I got a bunch of people that can pass the ball to you and rebound and stuff like that. I'm not, I'm not taking the whole Sierra team. I'm looking for one

or two people. So, I would rather you be, instead of playing on Sierra Canyon averaging 10, I'd rather you be the dude that get beat by 40, but you had 40. Because you're going to be the one that stands out. Hold on. Hold on, Gil.

I agree with that. And you know, that's why I'm chiming in, because both of y'all are different. So I can talk about this, because me and him feel the same way. Getting beat by 40 and having 40 it maybe that shit is floating in cali and that's cool but in indiana bro it's gone coaches looking at you a little bit different bro yeah all right now think about it like this your team is a bunch of five stars yeah and the dude that got nobody scored 40 on how he's just you had just to stop that motherfucker right there how we won by 40 how he's supposed to win by 40 he didn't

supposed to score 40 on a bunch of five stars y'all supposed to double him trap him do whatever so the fact that he scored 40 lets you know that he had to do it against all five of you so it's making him do everything right your your team is going half-assed because it's just better than everybody so they're not really digging down he has to rebound he has to try to block shots here break your full court press right so he has to rub his engine so hard just to compete with you that's's development. He has to rub his engine so hard to compete. Now when he gets with a group, it's so much easier. I get you.

I understand where you're going. For coaching, yeah, you're trying to win. Yeah, I'm trying to win. That's why I'm going to let the professional speak. On the coaching side, I get it. I'm talking about just as the parents trying to go to the next level i'm trying to figure out how to build the tiger because it's easy for you to turn an aggressive person down yeah if you haven't been aggressive it's hard to turn you up yeah for sure

that's right like like somebody like a bradley james right yeah he's been at seattle canyon playing with all these five stars and you're like, yo, why you don't shoot enough? He's never did it. Yeah. He's been passing, winning games, taking full five shots a game,

beating everybody by 30. He never had that. But do you think that messed with his AAU run? With him being that same type of player even in AAU? Same. You got the same team.

Yeah, love it. The same team. You got a whole bunch. You got Dior Johnson. You got all these guys. You got the same group. So he love it. You got the same team. You got a whole bunch. You got Dior, Johnson. You got all these guys. You got the same group. So he's never had a team where it's like, yo, you got to go out there and score 40.

They're not embarrassed the hell out of you. But playing devil advocate, like your son, he has the talent to do that. Like you can see it. It jumps off the screen. Like, okay, if you put him in a place where other five stars, he's still going to shine as a five star. And some other kids like they might be three stars so when they go to

a smaller school average 40 do everything and then they go play with five stars or other good players and they don't know how to adjust yeah yeah that happens no it happens a lot it happens a lot and we know of a situation kind of like that. And the parents think they five stars, too. That's weird. Oh, yeah. See, that's bad, too. Yeah, see.

But it's a bunch of kids in Indy who went to schools, smaller schools and stuff, and then they get to college. And it's like, I don't know how to play with other good players. Yeah. And it's like. But that's the balance. You got to still put that kid into a group. That's right. So he plays by himself at this school, then he plays on Compton Magic.

So he plays with Cole and all those guys. And shit, he's still, you'd be like, yo, just... Pass the round. You didn't tell me. Ain't no new school ball at you. You'd be sitting there like, oh, man. Daddy, your name is Obati, bro. You can't tell me the past. But I like that because you can sit him down and say, yo, wait.

Yeah. Because if that person's never at that level when you need him to do it, he don't know what it look like. He don't know what hitting game winners feel like, right? Even somebody like Cooper Flagg. Yeah. Cooper Flagg, in the last two years, you know, Cooper Flagg. Yeah. Cooper Flagg, in the last two years,

probably never hit a game winner. Never been in a situation to. Right? They've been blowing everybody out. Team's been winning. Remember, he averaged 16-13 this year. Yeah. So, he's never really had

takeover, takeover. But he played on Maine, though. He did. And he, in that EYBL, hold on, in that EYBL run, he was Gil. And that EYBL run. He was bringing them back from Craig.

They was down a few times, so he had to wheel them back. 16-year. But I'm saying that's why he's never coming out party. He's never played 17-year ever. So when everybody else is playing 17s, he went down to 16s. No, I mean, he's dominant, but what I'm saying is when it comes to putting him to them game winners, he's never felt the pain of missing

and being a disappointment to your team or getting the ball stolen. My son had to go through all that, right? Missing a layup and the rest of the team is oh man now you got to bounce back yeah right what you're gonna do tomorrow right hitting the game winner shit you know sitting there miscalculating the boys steal it tie game beat him at the buzzer nigga damn you're throwing up in the bathroom because he let the whole school down how you gonna how you gonna react tomorrow though okay. So you get it. So if you – He had one year at Mount Verde.

Yeah, I'm saying – But what I'm saying is that you still got to go through the fire. You can't go to the NBA and then take your first game-winner loot. Man, you're going to get ate up if you're not built like that. Right? Even like Curry. Curry wasn't a game – He didn't hit many game-winners in the beginning of two championships because he was blowing everybody out.

So he was sitting in the fourth quarter. So when Kevin Durant got there, Kevin was like, yo, give me that ball. They haven't. It was like, shit, we never been in a situation of who to get a ball to. You got to have some experience. You got to have some experience at the end of the quarter. Yeah, I fuck with you, bro. Y'all pros, bro, and I never go against y'all.

But this one, bro, he the best player in the country. No, no, no. If I was 16 years old. No, no, no. No, no, no. And I never go against y'all. But this one, bro, he the best player in the country. No, no, no. For the 16 years. No, no, no. No, no, no. Facts, he's the best player in the country. But you can see, like, because of the blowouts, he's never been really, really battle tested. Like, there's NBA players, dog, that they franchise guys and they won't take the game

winner because they're scared. You're For example. I'm saying you put it in your mindset to be the guy guy. Like some guys is comfortable being number two. So if you number two in the NBA now, you get 280 million. That's crazy. Why are you podcasting? I'm just saying.

Some people cool. Just saying. Some people cool with being number two. So Cooper Flagg, number two. Straight my book. Hell of a number two. Max Young. Nah, nah, nah.

He's going to be a franchise guy. But, you know, you have to, like right now, it's like he needs to be put in situations where he gets battled. Right? You don't want to go to the NBA and then you go to a locker room and niggas don't like you anyway. Yeah. And you do something wrong. You already know they're go to the NBA and then you go to a locker room and niggas don't like you anyway and you do something wrong, you already know

they're going to jump down your back. Yeah, for sure. If you ain't been built to say, man, watch out. You're going to fall behind. But you don't really get that until you're in like year three anyway.

The watch out. The watch out? Yeah, like, when you're a rookie, it's already somebody there. You know, somebody there is going to tell you, hey, I got that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then when you're the, when you a rookie, it's already somebody there. You know, somebody there is going to tell you, hey, I got that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then when you're the franchise player as a rookie, they already hating on you. Oh, you had, you had Bibb. You had Bibb and Jamal. Yeah, I had Bibb,

Jamal, Joe. And Captain Kirk too. I had Bibb, You can speak for me, Joe. I had all of them. Oh, he had, so it wasn't no watch out.

Oh my God, yeah. Joe and, I know they was fighting over that goddamn ball that's how you wanted to check him but he can't oh yeah i ain't going out there he's like who's taking his last shot yeah and i'm like joe getting that bro i can tell you about joe's you're doing that can tell jamal nah jamal he shot a couple of them yeah he gonna get the stuff like for sure i'm like I swing that ball to Joe, bro.

You out of pocket, bro. I be going, I'm like, damn, Joe, you going to allow this, Joe?

You going to allow this, Joe? You ain't going to come get this, Joe? That's the shit he be. You ain't going to come get this,

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Angel Reese topic. You know what I'm saying? We had a conversation on our show about stat patent and people didn't like it but what I saw yesterday was one of the nastiest displays I'm happy that that double double streak ended

because that was one of the craziest things I have seen in a long time in basketball man I understand it happens but I'm so happy that that streak ended because there is no way

we could glorify that man that shit was crazy I'm not doing it nah but that was nasty work man he's a hater if it was that easy everybody'm not doing it. No, that was nasty work, man. He's a hater. If it was nasty, bro. If it was that easy, everybody would have tried it.

Thank you, dude. It's like she wasn't patting the stats. She just couldn't make layups on the first try. I'm talking about shooting a layup when you down 20 and 10 seconds left the game to get the double-double. That's crazy. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. Listen.

Listen, listen. They have four people on rails. Listen. I love that. Shout out to the Liberty. Shout, listen, listen. They have four people on rails. I love that. Shout out to the Liberty. You already got the record. You're trying to extend it. There's going to be situations where it might come down to a rebound or a miss.

And you're going to miss it to keep it going. For sure. Right? That's just it. You know what I mean? If I got 20 triple doubles, right? If I got 20 triple doubles, and I need one with three seconds left. And I don't give a fuck what we up.

I need this basket. I'm going to get the basket. Y'all can fight me after. I know that streak is going. I ain't mad at her. I wasn't mad at her. But I told y'all she don't make layups. She don't make layups.

No, no. Hey, she don't make layups. So, you know, she can all offense rebound. That's A. Yeah, you do your thing. Somebody gave her the best comparison that we ever had. I ain't going to say his name. But he said she was Kenneth Fareed.

And I said. I know him well. Yeah, I said that is a great comparison. She's a great rebounder. She's not very gifted offensively yet. That was her Achilles heel. But this is going to be the worst that we get to see of her

offensively. She'll develop. She's just a rebounder defender type of girl. She's a hell of a rebounder. She's a killer. That's her thing. It's just funny though because she was trying to get that triple double. And that triple team on the baseline with Tiznick left in the game.

They up 60 That shit was funny They haters bro They haters for sure They haters bro You don't want that record To be like You want to be the people

That broke it Yeah That's like you getting That rebound And fucking up the parlay Oh yeah they was hot About that Man I got a rebound

Bobby Portis needed One rebound to get like To hit the parlay or whatever And I grabbed it Man Milwaukee was hot They was cussing me out and i ain't know what was going on he's like what the fuck dude you don't even play somebody probably had me at.5. I want somebody to party around me, bitch.

I want somebody to know, here we go. That was a nigga sitting all the way at top, throwing a.5. Man, that is crazy,

man. But also with that being said, with that being so prevalent now in today's space, with the sports gambling like that,

for you, also, even going back, how would you feel you would have dealt with NIL at Arizona? I'm going to be honest, man. I wasn't like that.

I wasn't him. Right? I mean, I was the leading scorer on the team, but I played with four All-Americans. Right? So, you know, Jason Gardner. They was going to get Richard back. Right?

They would have probably, you know, I was more of a scavenger, dog. You know, I got NIL. I was I got my money. I was selling I was selling autograph balls. Right. You know, they sign that sign that sign. Break back into the locker room, steal all them. Right. So I was getting this and I was getting my money. I was doing well. I wasn't starving at all. When I got drafted, I said it. Right, so I was getting this, and I was getting my money. I was doing well. Respect. I wasn't starving at all. I'm going to say it like that.

But like this, when I got drafted, I said it. I got drafted second round. I was like, man, I took a pay cut coming to the NBA, man. I ain't going back to college. Did I say that again? I took a pay cut coming to the NBA. Can I go back to college? I'm going to fucking get in trouble.

Shit, I'm in trouble right now. I just spent all this money on this cheap-ass chain and that Escalade. I thought I saved money on the fake diamond. All cubic. All cubic.

All cubic, baby. Oh, man. Shout out to Kim. Man, how much you spend on a cubic zirconia chain? 10 bands. Oh, Kim. You had a fight.

Oh, you're a big boy. You was Christmas. Yeah. You know about shit. Back then, right? Dipset had the whole thing. Everything was coming all the way down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And everybody did their initials. So everybody's shit was like this big. So that G.J. just sitting there just, yeah, I made it. I remember Elton Brand telling me about that. He called it the Ice Age. He said he spent $250,000 on the chain. Yeah. I said, you crazy as hell.

No, seriously. No, sheesh. That's nuts, bro. Man, $10,000. Look just the same. I feel you on that. Man, one of my favorite things Y'all doing over at Gibson Radio Obviously y'all going crazy

But the games y'all be playing The draft That shit was fire man I love y'all competitive league With that man Brandon was pissed I need a team sorry In hell man

Let me see Yeah I need some shooting I'm gonna go get James Worthy James Worthy Y'all be going right Oh my father. He didn't get off that. He didn't.

My bad, my bad, bro. He didn't shoot in the 80s. What the fuck? That was Aja Reese. That's his camera right there. You know what's funny? When you talk about the 80s and everybody getting mad, and then you ask them, have you watched a game?

They'll be like, no. No. You know what? We got the internet now. Go in and pop in one of them 80s games, buddy. Over there doing the flex cut, the UCLA cut, the weave. Yeah. It's bad.

It's terrible. Prehistoric basketball. They don't know what to do with the Eurostep back then. Oh, they call travel on that. When you were saying that, when you was like, when Grant Hill came in the league and he was doing right to left crossovers, he was like, they never seen that before. And I watched that tape and how bad he was crossing, pipping and all that.

I'm like, yeah, it might have been spooky. That's what I'm, man, listen. Even the hand check right the hand check was great because the guards didn't score yeah right so he coming down full court with it back to the basket right so it's easy to hold on to him right they didn't do that Isaiah Thomas because he was the scoring guard they didn't do it to Tim Hardaway they didn't do it to uh kevin johnson right when these guys came into the league and they're coming to the basket what was your hand checking in it was still in yeah obviously you can't hand check a motherfucker stomach right so that means he has

to turn for you to hold his side so the fact that everybody's going downhill the hand check was irrelevant all you're doing is just trying to catch up and then you did this shit you wasn't in the league yet where you drive in and then they just push you. Nah, they were still doing that. They were still doing that? Yeah, they were still doing that. Baby started doing that to me in practice. He'd let me go. He'd push me right in.

I'm like, ah. Just sitting there. Just hit. Like, come on, ref. Yeah, them. They couldn't move. They couldn't move left to right, man. Hey, the 80s is the year olds today.

Y'all don't move very well left and right. They hate him. They hate him. Wait a minute. Before he was like, I would have cooked y'all. Because it's glory. We're talking about a time that it was the NBA. 78 when the NBA merged.

And they don't like talking about it because it's dark ages right big drug problems like it was they had to tape delay everything yeah make sure everything was clean but it was going through a real big drug problem in the 80s right just like the world was right so now you have a bunch of NBA players just integrated they got money so what are you gonna do right so when Magic and Bird came in, Magic was the NBA's. I call it the NBA because ABA and NBA, when they put together, it's that's the NBA. One league now. Magic Johnson was their first baby.

That was the baby boy of the NBA. 19 years old. He was the baby boy of the NBA. Bird was 22 when he came in. So their first child of the NBA. Bird was 22 when he came in, right? So their first child of the NBA was Magic. And they held the NBA to get up.

And then Jordan just polarized it. So, you know, that's why those three are iconic. So when you talk about the 80s, they think you're talking

about them three. Right? You know, like when you say, man, 80s suck they think you're talking about them three. Yeah. Right? You know, like when you say, man, 80s suck. We got Magic Bird and like,

yeah, we get it, dog. The rest of you, there's 400 other motherfuckers out here. Y'all was having 216 people draft, dog,

all the way up into the 80s. I heard somebody say I was drafted in the seventh round before, but I was like, damn.

That was all the way into 87. Yeah. 87. Michael Jordan, there was 216 people drafted with him. That's crazy.

That's crazy. He was a big guard, too, though. He would have killed them way fast. He was a bigger guard. He was a... What do you think play like you now?

Like, if you had to say somebody, like, put you in a mode of yourself, who would you say? Probably Maxie. Okay. How he just wants to come downhill real fast. Nah, that's a great comparison.

Like, because it was TV then, like, people don't want to, I sat in the post. Right? It was, like, I did more posts than I did just, it was either going to post up the little guard, then they have to put the big guard on me, and then now I'm trying to do one full flat and beat them off the dribble. And you have one thing that I've always seen, and my dad coached, and he taught it to some of our players on the team. They're like, yeah, you can shoot, but you may not be as fast or quick. If you can step out a little bit in that three-point line,

now they got to guard you a little bit differently. You was like the pioneer of that shit because your three-point threat was at the volleyball line. So you got all the space in the world. They couldn't do nothing with you. Yeah, so I seen some report. It was like some synergy report, right? And then it had like,

I'm trying to get better. Like, what are my flaws? And what, okay, this corner, this and this. And I'm like, you know, like it had this like 56% from here. And like, what the fuck is this? And it's like,

the shots you took from this is 56%. So I'm sitting here like, three point line, 38 back here. And I'm like, I'm sitting there like three point line 38 back here and I'm like I'm sitting there like it's doesn't even make no sense so then I'm coming to the spot trying to figure out like alright then I realized the guard is sitting under

the three point line waiting for me there's nobody guarding me here right if I'm shooting a three I'm getting contested here there's no contest right so this is an open shot so i started training these shots right here knowing that they're going to be open nobody's going to be back there trying to play defense like when i came in everybody went under yeah because guards didn't shoot behind the screen so that's what gave me the advantage like like yo i'm not gary payton dog i don't you know, I don't. Like, I don't have a big man to pass the ball to,

so I don't got to sit there and the big man come throw it, and, you know, I fan out, and then they double. We got to swing it, swing it, swing it, and then the last person that's going to get the ball, he can't shoot, right? Because that's you. You put the worst shooter all the way on the other side, right? And that's the nigga who got all the shots.

Yeah, for sure. I was that guy before. My rookie year, they go to the corner. I was that guy before. My rookie year, they go to the corner, I was like, oh, this motherfucker coming to me. I remember when I did

the first ping roll, ping, boom, and they switched out. And I was like, oh, shit. Hey, move. Move. I did one of those

and moved, moved, moved. And Coach was like, what are you doing? I was like, I'm about to take him off the dribble. And I was like, what are you talking about? Look who I have on me. We're going to take him off the dribble. And I was like I'm about to take him off the dribble and I was like what are you talking about

look who I have on me we're going to take him off the dribble and I was like son maybe this is why you don't play in this game maybe this is why you got drafted 31

your IQ is low and I'm like what and he's like you don't see the guard guarding the big man yeah I seen that and you don't think the guard guarding the big man. Yeah, I seen that.

And you don't think that's the pass. So you want me to pass on the ball? Him, one. We don't call no plays for him. Anyway, but you want me to pass on the ball. What's going to happen? They're going to double. We're going to swing it, swing it.

Look who's in the corner. He don't shoot. Right? Is that the play we want? Nah. So you had the IQ. So I ran it. Boom.

They swish it. Threw it down. Swish, swish, swish. And I said, brick. I was fucking in the air ball. So y'all, man. I'm hot because it's like you don't know our plays and you don't know the player personality.

So later on that day, did the pick and they switched out again. Move. Meow. Yeah. I was on IR after that. I was no more. I got benched out of that, I can tell you that. You had to throw it to a Donald Foyle

Yeah Straight up got this You know who Donald Foyle God damn right Shout out to Foyle That was my guy Said hell of a pitch

I'm not throwing it down They tore it Shit I seen the look on his face Don't throw it down here That was the look God damn it oh shit

but it was just crazy cause it was like like I'm sitting here like like we ain't never called a play for this motherfucker

that I never told him alright this is what we're doing I'm glad he got fired cause I would have never got off the bench

after that display. And you know what's so crazy? We've been blessed to talk to some great pros these last couple of weeks and just like mindset that you guys have, like obviously with y'all being guards, y'all know the game probably better than anybody. But it's like your own intuition has to kick in

because yes, this coach is professional and he's telling you what to do, but you're just like, well, I'm telling you what's actually right, but this is now an ego battle. It has nothing to do about what's going on the court. It's about a mental or personal thing. How do you overcome that situation where you're like, I know what the fuck I'm doing is right, but now I got to really prove it to you or get lucky that you get fired to get out the way.

I got to deal with it. It's on both sides, man. It's a give and take, right? You know, we have two visions, right? You know, the player has a 2K vision. The coach has a courtside vision. So we're seeing different things, right? We have two different views of it.

So we both are right and we both are wrong, depending on what we're looking at at that time. So you might be saying, you know, five down, right? Throw it to the big man, and I'm watching the game. I'm seeing his mannerisms like, nah, that ain't it. He ain't got it today, right? So the point of putting me at the point is you have to trust my instinct, right? That's why you have me at the point, to trust my instinct,

knowing that I'm going to do more right than I'm going to do wrong. So as a coach, you have to give the freedom just so they can explore. So there's games where you have to say,

I ain't coaching today. Let me see what you got. You coach. You sub in whoever you're going to sub in. You got to. whoever you're gonna sub in no you gotta see come on now you know why you know why well you got to see how they think right because you know how you be subbing players in and be like yeah i should be playing this oh you do all right look hey uh i'm not gonna coach today i'm just gonna be watching players coach themselves Hey, I'm not going to coach today. I'm just going to be watching players coach themselves.

You'll be on that. You'll be starting at five and you try to get up. In practice. You're going to be trying to get up and be like. Nigga, I'm like, nah, dog, no. You don't get in in the regular game. You ain't getting in today. They're going to self-check themselves anyway. Yeah.

It'll be one of them games y'all know you're going to win by like 40. We don't got none of them. No, no. But he does have that mentality in practice sometimes. In practice, I do that. He do that. He do that. You got to do that in the game. Everybody think they good in practice. We don't got the luck. of that He do some of that You got to do that in the game

Everybody think they good We don't got the luxury You ain't got the luxury You ain't got the luxury You got to read the room You got one of those teams You got to read the room You got one of those teams

I got one of those teams You ain't got the luxury Y'all playing all high level Every single team You know somebody You see hardball That's what they have right now They get to the next level

Right now they're Fussing with hardball Every team we play Is like a top team in the state, though. He always have like a, well, always, but second year, but he got a tough schedule usually at the school we at. I don't know if Elijah got up and down.

Maybe he got the blind or the deaf school and then he got to play Sierra Cane. No, no, no, that's tax. That's tax. So the prep school's a little bit. Yeah, you feel me? That's why So the prep school's a little bit. Yeah, you feel me? So that's why I'm saying Cali a little different.

When you in that 4A, you in that 4A. Ain't really no ducking. He got a D1 player every night. Yeah. Oh, see, the problem with the Cali schools is because everyone teamed up, right, you're going to have seven, five stars on one team these schools might not have none you're gonna got four on that side so then Sierra Canyon's in a division where most of the other teams don't even got no black players right so for the most

part they're trying to duck and forfeit anyway because it's like we're not equipped to play you guys y'all not even in our league. Y'all ain't even supposed to be in the league. Right? Y'all done souped the teams up. Y'all can't be in this regular ass league. They supposed to be

on that Mount Verde circuit. Yeah, they have to be on the prep schedule. So yeah, bro don't have that luxury, bro. Nah, we don't got that. He ain't got an NBA player every time like when

he was playing in high school, but he definitely for sure most likely is playing a D1 player on the other end. For sure. Yeah, when I was in high school, it was an NBA player at every school. Yeah. That's sectional? Yeah, that's section end. For sure. Yeah, when I was in high school, I was an NBA player at every school.

Yeah. That section? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. You're trying to slight Indiana. Eric Gordon, G Hill went to school with him. Yeah.

I had Courtney Lee on my team. Yeah, Robert, we had Robert Vaden in high school. Mike Conley, Josh McRoberts. Yeah.

We can go crazy. And that was in one section. Gordon Hayward, we can go crazy. All in one? Yeah. So we can go crazy all in one yeah so if you got lucky enough to beat George Shield

Josh McRoberts and you got to get Mike Conley oh see oh LA's so spread yeah yeah

so the LA's so spread where you don't really right you can't yeah it ain't really like that there's so many divisions it ain't even it's crazy

we just got 4A well we got 1A 2A but don ain't really like that. There's so many divisions, dog. It ain't even, it's crazy. We just got 4A. Yeah, that's it. Well, we got 1A, 2A, but don't nobody really play that. But still, even with those for the NBA players, he still play with D1 caliber players on his team. Yeah. Mike Collin and them still, they sent Donald Coutier, Mike. They had like eight players.

Yeah, bro, so it's different. Nah, so Indiana different. It's basketball for real. Yeah. Even like, it's a hood school called Arlington. It ain't a school no more. They had a dude named Deontay Vaughn

went to Cincinnati. They beat Greg O and then Mike Conley. They only lost it a year. Yeah, they only lost it a year, but he killed them. He had like 38. They was ranked 20th

in the country. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. All right, okay. So like. Okay. Put him over here. Put him over here.

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When we, I did Ball Up. Ball Up. My dad was running it too. Yeah, that's what the shit is. And then we went to Indy. Not going like, yeah. We had an Indy team, yeah. Yeah, there was some jumping motherfuckers

out there. For sure. Y'all was in Northwest. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was something like, yeah, they can get a hit. Them in Chicago, I was like, yeah, y'all got some bouncies over here. See, Napa's one of them places that you'll go to an open gym, it's a random nigga who just drank a fifth and about to come hoop, but he probably had D1 talent, but just basketball

in Indianapolis especially just mean too much. Like, the open gyms in the city be different than most places. You're going there with D1 level talent that just basketball in Indianapolis especially just mean too much like the open gyms in the city be different than most places you're going there with D-line level talent that just got off an eight hour shift

just like because y'all got top heavy players in Cali like you Russ I got a lot of all stars too for sure

Paul Pierce like we don't but even that that's still spread out though yeah because like you know you got you have the LA schools you get so you

got city section southern section they don't play each other so for the most part like um unless you schedule it like jason crowe jr and my son they would never see each other okay but because they both led so jason crowe jr uh as a freshman led the country or led Cali and scored. My son was number two. Everybody was like, we want to see them play against each other. So now we have to section each other. But their team is better than my son's team, right? Even though in their section, they suck like shit. Yeah.

Right? It's just, it's all divisions. You know, it's all divisions. So it's all spread out. So it's hard for. Yeah, that's tough. Like, even though, you know, my son, him playing against Sierra Canyon, everybody's like,

oh, he needs to be in this. It's like, he does, the rest, dog, the rest of the team, dog, they won't even make the C squad at your school.

Yeah. They can't even dribble. They barely know how to take the ball out. You know what I mean? Like, that's so... You damn over there were like more

than a rebound. Like more than a rebound. You got one of them teams over there. Your team couldn't, they couldn't come to Indiana, bro. But we went to the state. That's it, but we went to the state championship. I know, but that's what I said.

But my son would be like, if it's an indie, he's just going to go to one of those schools. He's not going to be on the bottom feeding team. Oh, he can come to Pike. Yeah, he can. Oh, yeah, we can take him to Pike for sure. But yeah, you could. It ain't no schools like that in Indy. Nah could It ain't no schools Like that in D.C.

Nah There's no sad schools In that 4A Yeah Like We get beat by Hamilton Southeastern Or like Fishers

They got the best They won state And it's all white dudes Yeah And you like Like when you about To go play them You like

Man we about to kill them They start hooping You like Ah shit Yeah they play like God damn They play like Go state But they wasn't Holding the ball They was scoring Like 100 points 85 points You like Ah shit Yeah they play like God damn They play like Gold State

But they wasn't Holding the ball So they was scoring Like 100 points 85 points But his son got the luxury To it being trained By him too

So that kind of Yeah It make a difference For sure For sure Yeah Man listen This has been

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