Club Shay Shay - Club 520 - Kevin Garnett tells Jeff Teague about talking trash to Michael Jordan, Vince Carter Team USA dunk

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 84 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Kevin Garnett to discuss his Hall of Fame career in the NBA. KG tells Jeff and the guys stories about talking trash to Michael Jordan, Vince Carter’s iconic dunk for Team USA in the Olympics, playing Jeff Teague in the playoffs, meeting Paul Pierce for the first time, and tells an amazing story about Kobe Bryant at the All-Star game. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Please enjoy Hennessy responsibly, 21 and over only. All right, we back. You know what it is, Club 520 Podcast Special Edition. Shout out to Hennessy for the love. We've been a world-famous, Dre's, Las Vegas, Nevada. Special, special guest. We got a legend sitting to my left. We're going to introduce my man's last.

But to my far left, we got my dog, Bishop B. Hinn, out the Pearlies. How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty. We live, P. Yes, sir. We live. Chill out, P. We live, baby.

What's wrong with you, man? The ticket. I know you. You know what I'm saying? You a shoe aficionado. Have you ever seen the Black Forces with the white laces before? No, I ain't seen that one. I ain't seen that one just yet.

I got you. 16? 15. 15? Yeah. I got you, bro. Okay. Say less.

Yeah. You an Air Force One guy? For sure. God, sure. Big Air Force One guy. Okay. Okay. That's what's up.

And your style of play, this is very fitting for sure. The demon in you, the in you The dog in you Air Force One White license She wore those bro She was a Air Force One guy She wore the ones

That came up here Yeah That's for ankles and stuff But the hoop You can come to dress Or go to Rucker and Needs Okay Okay

Now you're gonna do a robbery I'm about to say This look like some shit Yeah I'm just Go ahead Go ahead I ain't gonna Go, this look like some shit. Yeah, I'm just, go ahead. Go ahead. I ain't going, go ahead. I see you ready. I'm going to finish the show out, though.

Yeah, I see you ready. I'm ready, too, though. Right, the referee joint's on. It's all good. Go ahead. To my right, my dog, Young Nacho, Young Teague. How you doing, man? I'm chilling, bro.

Me and Dre is having a good time. We got a legend in the building, man. I'm geeked, bro. Man, legend, legend, legend to my left, man. The ticket, you know who this is, man? I'm chilling, bro. Me and Dre's having a good time. We got a legend in the building, man. I'm geeked, bro. Man, legend, legend, legend to my left, man. The Ticket, you know who this is, man. One of the best basketball players of all time. 15-time All-Star. More importantly, an All-Star in Dre's.

Ticket, we appreciate you pulling up the 520, big dog. Thank y'all for having me, dog. It's an honor, man. Thank you, dog. It's an honor being here, man. I love y'all's shit, man. We appreciate it, man. We was talking about the feats, you know what I'm saying?

For me, you know what I'm saying? I'm an OG Ticket fan. I know your rookie year. You came out in a concourse, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You started out getting to it in the patent leathers. But you done had so many heat shoes. What's one of your favorite signature shoes you ever had?

Well, to be honest, man, I had something to do. Every time you seen my name on a shoe, I had some input in that. And I thought that that changed a lot of the concept. Because if you went Nike or Adidas, they're coming in with a pre-concept already that they have in the line of so many other things. And, you know, I was taught early, man, if something represents you, you want to be able to have your, at least your taking in what comes from you. So I think probably my, obviously when you first get your shoe and then being with Nike, getting the shoe right. So Garnett 1 was always a special place just because that's my first signature shoe. and then get to Garnett 3 and have it be like one of their best sellers and kids come, you know, running up on me with, you know,

just showing their appreciation. I got to tag some of my neighborhood on it with OBF on the bottom. I was in Young State. It was going 97, 98. It was live. It was going, you know. Jeff, they didn't think I was going to make it. They were talking about I was going to be out of the league in two years.

They were talking crazy. They was tripping. I don't know what they was drinking and taking. I don't know. But, yeah, man, the flight posits was another shoe that I'm sticking out. With the zippers? The Nike shoes were some of the best shoes because of just of the technology that Nike goes through. Right.

Jeff, you know this, man. They got so many different comforts and cushions that they can pad and put in your shoe. But then Adidas, you know, I had a short run on an N1 that was cool. But Adidas had another level of technology that I can't speak on. My first signature shoe with them was through the roof and a very comfortable shoe. But, yeah, those are shoes that just stand out right away that just, you know, that to me made a difference.

Yeah. And that's what's so far about you. Obviously, we know you're a champion. We know you go crazy on the court. But to have such an impact to the culture, like we was talking before, the Jamie Foxx episode, you know what I'm saying, man? Like, that's back in the days.

We had the real crossovers, man. You was trying to take fancy from Jamie on the low, bro. Fancy was choosing, dog. Fancy was choosing, you know? What do you say he couldn't find a KG jersey until he had to get the Wally? The Wally Z. The Sippin' Spitzer.

Yeah. Shout out to Jake Foxx, man. What's up? That was a fire cameo, bro. That was cool. That was cool. That was a fire cameo, bro. That was cool. That was cool. That was a cool joint. That was a real cool joint.

You know what I'm saying? Before we even get to all that, you got to talk about y'all interaction, man. I love that he confirmed this for us, but tell the people, man. No, when I first came here, I told y'all. Yeah, nigga, I did growl at you. Yeah. You know what it was? Absolutely.

We played them in the playoffs, and I dunked on Ray Allen in the preseason. Yeah. And I got a tech. And I was barking, doing my thing. Word. And I had the game-winning shot, and I airballed it. And he followed me through the tunnel and was like, don't fuck with the basketball guys.

You're not like that. Don't do that. And we played them in the playoffs. And, like, I had a good game, game one. He would not say, like, who I was. He's like, I don't know him. Who are you talking about? I said, damn.

And so we came out. We played them in the guard. He came out. He slapped the floor. Got on, like, all fours and started grouting. Boy, you scared the shit out of him. We traumatized. I was like, this is my moment.

I ain't going to never forget this. Kobe had the hissing. Kobe would hiss at you. I was on my DMX shit. I wanted to growl. I wanted to see where niggas was at. You know what I'm saying? He's talking about, I just want a KG to say my name.

Pause. I was like, man, I just wanted him to acknowledge me, bro. I just wanted him to be like, you're T-Crew. You weren't showing fan. You was getting money out here. You was talking that shit. Young fella had confidence. Yeah.

I had watched him in Wake Forest. You know, I had followed you. And you got right to it when you got in the league. You had a lot of confidence in yourself. And when you punched it on Ray, the reason why I was really upset was because anything to the basket, we was supposed to put a nigga on his ass. So Ray went for the block and, you know, young fella flushed it. It wasn't, you know, it's basketball so.

Yeah. Yeah, I was just also trying to smash his pulse, destroy his confidence. You know what I'm saying? I was on some like, nah, well it is, only you had bought it. You know how the league is, bro. You know what I'm saying? Let me throw this on his back, make sure he don't forget this. Then I was just stunting on him.

Every time I see him, I wouldn't shake his hand, I'd give him like, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to throw this on his back, make sure he don't forget this. Then I was just stunting on him. Every time I see him, I wouldn't shake his hand. I'd give him like, you know what I mean? Yeah. But the whole time, I'm watching how he react to it because it's pissing him off. The more he getting pissed off, he coming, spinning. And that's what I wanted. I wanted his best, and I wanted to make him angry, and I wanted to play against that. And then later on in his career, man, I walk, boom, what's up, boy?

Gee, you good, boy? Yeah, I'm good. Boom. And that's the respect of it that man, walk, boom, what's up, boy? Gee, you good, boy? Yeah, I'm good, boom. And that's the respect of it that was earned. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That messed me up. My brother was like,

nah, Ticket said you good, bro. He fucked with you. I was like, what? I was like, nah.

I took care of you, little brother, just because of the respect I have for you. Real shit. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. It's all good, bro. Yeah,

I appreciate that. Tell Young and I said, what up? It's my dog. I got you. For sure, man. Listen,

man, you have so many fire moments in your illustrious career. But we all from Indianapolis, Indiana, when we talk about high school basketball, there's one player that we have a very high regard for. You have a famous clip for it. My man EJ, Eric Gordon. Dog, the clip of him missing that shot, you say, hell no. Trash ass nigga.

It's one of my favorite clips of all time, man. I'm going to keep it 100, man. You know, I'm a savant. And you know I know my shit. So when I get out here, I'm watching. I know players. I know what they can and can't do. So, you know, E. Gordon went through a rough little patch when he was playing great with the Clippers.

You know what I'm saying? I think when he got to New Orleans, he was having injuries and shit. So I would just root for him to get back. And what y'all don't know, before that clip, he had came down on some groove shit. You know how he bowed, trail three bowed. So he came, he was putting motherfuckers in the mix. Now, you know, we had a bunch of young guys, Zach Levine, a younger Andrew Wiggins, a young car out in town, and he was just dogging them.

He was beasting them. So I was like, hey, man, look, you know, compete, man. Don't let the motherfucker come down here and just, you know, compete. So when he came down, he did some shit. And then he spun it. Then he stepped out. Like, oh, hell no. Nigga, that ain't what you do.

Oh, you trash ass nigga. Hey, nigga. Hey, nigga. Hey, nigga, get back to what you, nigga. Like, you know what I'm saying? And it wasn't even, yeah, it was for him. But the move is what made me react. I was like, what?

Where he fucking get a what? Yeah, go back and look at the move, though. The move, I'm talking about he was trash. That was a trash move. So I was basically calling what I was saying, yeah. Shout out to Igor, man. You know what I'm saying? Real shit.

I'm glad to see him still going. You know what I'm saying? Helping teams and shit. Yeah, shout out to him. Man, listen, so many moments. I'm a fan. Because, listen, I look at the Olympics, and every time I think about the Olympics, I think about the best dunk we've ever seen in our lives.

Vince Carter. And you've been in that moment. How was it to witness that moment live? Listen, man, shit happened so fast. I couldn't even. I thought he got an N-1. And when I saw that he called an N-1, I was like, oh shit. He cleared that one fuck Did he just clean him off?

And he dunked it and when he came down if you see me, I really wanted to go full like nigga But we had one to like get back. It was like kind of like that I have played with a guy with high school name Ronnie feels And I'm not seeing people hit the air, and I'm not seeing him do some of the most craziest shit. But then Vince Carter is the class of 95, and we not been to camps together, so I'm not seeing him do some of the craziest shit. But, yeah, bro, him jumping over a whole 7'6", 7'5", guy was like a whole nother,

like, I swear, time stopped, dog. If y'all look at all of us, all of us, Vin behind me, Gary, we all, like, in a frozen moment to where I thought that nigga froze. He froze for, like, two seconds. But, yeah, man, shout to Vince Carter, man. That's probably one of the most electric moments I've ever been in. You know what I'm saying? We couldn't really just get into it.

We had to, okay, and then it was over. But, yeah, that was one of the more crowning moments in Olympic history, bro. Speaking of Ronnie Fields, bro, I don't think he get enough credit. You feel me? Notoriety. How was it like playing with him? And how did y'all even link up at Fergie? So, I was coming from South Carolina.

And my mother was moving me. I was in a very, very hectic and traumatic recruiting. I don't even want to debacle. Yeah. Like, college was coming, doing crazy shit. This was my first interacting with money, big bags of bread. Like, yeah, it was just getting crazy. So, yeah, I got into some trouble in high school, and my mom moved me.

And the one coach I had at Nike, man, was Wolf Nelson. And he had Coach Ronnie in high school up in Chicago. So him and I, he stayed in contact just like, hey, working on you. Because he would always take me off to the side. We would spend like a whole hour just on working on stuff. So I fucked with his development, man. And you know how it go, Jeff, man. When you got a coach that's pouring into you, just dialed in with you.

You know what I'm saying? He up with you. You go through I'm saying? He up with you. You know, you go through some frustrating moments. He right there. And then I ain't really had no pops. You know what I'm saying? I ain't had no man in my life. My mom was enough man for everybody

in this motherfucking room. So, you know, I grew up a certain type of temperature. I was used to a certain type of environment. I wasn't tripping over the jungle. I was raised in it. So, to have a male in my life that was giving me some guidance and not someone I could pick the phone up,

even though he was 1,000 miles away, was confident for me. So when I had the chance to be able to go up and play with him, I didn't even think about the city. I didn't think about nothing. I was just thinking about, damn, I got a coach there. Believe me, man, let's get it. So, man, I got up there, and we was rocking day one. And then that's when it hit you like, oh, shit, you're in Chicago.

These are the rules, and this is what you got to do. You know what I'm saying? So it wasn't even a basketball problem I had. It was more of just adjusting to the big city. Absolutely, man. And another wonderful moment in the Olympic. You going crazy in the ones, running everybody up and down the court. Hey, man, listen, I told you I'm a fan.

Iconic moment. How was it? You was man, listen. I'm talking about iconic moment. How was it? He was cleaning boys up. He was talking crazy, too. Man, it is what it is. Nah, Jeff. Jeff, notice, man. Like, during the times where we played, man, I'm not speaking on some of this younger stuff,

but let's go back like 10, 15 years ago, man. Yes, sir. It was a bullying league. Yep. And you had to be a demon to play in it. Yes sir. And not just have confidence, but you had to be a demon. And I mean T, you know what I'm saying, and I don't want to elaborate on it, but you had to be like a different, a different, you had to have a different mindset. So we're in the Olympics working out and one

of the things J-Kid does to get back in shape is play full court one-on-ones yeah and uh we had practice and it was a tech it was the one of them practices where it was touchy it was edgy and shit so guys wanted to compete so about six or seven of us just said hey man let's get some cardio in niggas didn't want to run the customary 17s you know how that shit goes you know because back then you had time 17s and then back then you had two days for the whole training cap so if you had time 17s and then back then you had two days for the whole training cap so if you had training cap 30 days you had two you feel what i'm saying so yeah it was just different on how you got ready right so we jumped in it and um man you know how it go in one of one of ones man you know how it go since it got wicked yeah man you know usually

one of ones go like you know you go i go i stop me. But, man, when you get in the row, and then I don't know the cameraman in the cut. That's what didn't nobody know, bro. You know, the camera come out, everybody, the element of embarrassment goes to like, you know, a million, right? So it was already testy, you know? Me and Reef was already testy. You know, a couple people was in there testy. Ray and Gary was testy. Timmy, it was just testy, you know? And people was in there testy ray and gary was testy timmy it was just testy you know and yeah and i got the going so yeah it i'm king of the hill let's get

it so i was talking my and then if somebody had wanted to do something we could play another so we played three games but did nobody know the guy in the cut over there getting it all there's two more games that they ain't show. I'm glad they didn't. Did you win those? I won the second one. I won the first one, and then I won the last one. Okay. The one, two, three, the second one, and the third one was so physical that, yeah, we probably didn't want that one out.

But it was all good. Shout out to the, you know, 2000 team, man. We did that, man. I want to talk about how you and Paul met, man, on that K-Swiss AAU team. K-Swiss? Well, Paul had you come all the way out there to Cali, man. How was that? Same shit. Same shit. That's the truth. So, I'm from

South Carolina. Jeff, you know what the South like, man. You done played in North Carolina. You know what I'm saying? Ain't really a bunch of... Ain't nothing down there. So, it was very little recruitment. A lot of football recruitment, but very little recruitment. Yeah. And very little sponsorship.

So, you know, South Carolina, you had to go to either Georgia to Atlanta or you had to go to Charlotte to go to one of the bigger camps. So I ended up going to a camp in Atlanta. And a guy down there, he was just like a sponsorship for anybody else, like Nike or DS, he like K-Swiss. And wasn't nobody really recruiting or nothing like that, but he was like, yo, you want to go to West Coast? You know what I'm saying?

You ever play on the West Coast? Like, shit, this is what I need. Yeah. He said, cool. He really wasn't nothing or nothing, but it's about the experience. You know what I'm saying? Never been to Cali that before. We pull up, man.

We get right to Inglewood. Come out to Jordan. We in Inglewood. I don't know where I'm at. Come been to Caledon before. We pull up, man. We get right to Inglewood. Come out to Jones. We in Inglewood. I don't know where I'm at. Come up to some little raggedy gym. You know what I'm saying? You can tell it ain't a polished neighborhood. You know what I'm saying?

Come in here, and I see three guys playing. I see this little tall-ass, little fat kid, dog. Nigga had like the little Stephon Marbury curly kid on. I told P, he had a whole S curl when I seen him. It was like ice cream, god damn it. Shit was shaking. I ain't have no real deal. I said, man, you had a whole curl when I saw seen him. It was like ice cube, goddamn it. Shit was shaking. He was like, I ain't had no S curls. I said, man, you had a whole curl when I saw you, nigga.

You know what I'm saying? But man, Jeff, he was a little fat, little, you know what I'm saying? I was like, man, OK. And then I saw him go up and boom that motherfucker. I'm like, damn, that little fat motherfucker got some ass, man. Who is that? Oh, yeah, that's Paul Pierce. I was like, word.

And he looked like a younger version of what you see now. Probably seeing way more wild and shit. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, me and Pete met at like 16. And before, I didn't know that in his, in L.A., Toby Bailey, Ricky Price, a bunch of these older, J.R. Henderson, these are guys that were running L.A. at the time. You know what I'm saying?

And he looked up to them. So I don't know none of this, and I don't know. at the time. You know what I'm saying? And he looked up to them. So, I don't know none of this, and I don't know none of these guys. You know what I'm saying? But then you got the Collins twins. You got Jelani McCoy. You got Shea Cotton. All these West coaches I ain't never heard of. You know what I'm saying?

So, I was eager to play. You know what I'm saying? See what a lot of these guys had to offer. And I didn't have that I'm not seeing you play factor. So I didn't, I'm coming in here like, I don't know who Jelani is. Oh, Jelani, he block everybody's shot. So I was like, oh, I mean, how big is Jelani? And he's like, well, he's seven foot, he's about two size.

And I was like, oh, no, he ain't. So I was on, I don't know who this is. So I go right in the beast mode, like, oh, no, give a fuck about this nigga. You know what I'm saying? Respectfully, yo. But the L.A. niggas had me running through the casinos, hitting shit, and they jumping out of cabs and just doing L.A. shit.

So we got in the game, bro. We all connected. Term, all the little. Because P played with a bunch of hood guys that are from Inglewood that went to Inglewood High. J. Crow, the one you see him on Two Flown Swifts. That was his point guard. Shout out to Damani.

He's a rapper. He used to play. So a couple of those guys are just, you know, guys. But they play hard, man. We ended up winning that little shit, man. We won that little Vegas shit

where we wasn't supposed to win nothing. That's how he was, though. He played with a bunch of his, all his friends. Same shit, bro. Where'd you get your first, your look? Vegas? I went to ABCD camp. Oh, okay. Yeah, I went to ABC his friends. See? Vegas. Same shit, bro. Where'd you get your first look?

Vegas? I went to ABCD camp. Oh, okay. Yeah, I went to ABCD camp. I had like one offer going there. Ended up killing that and getting like 70 offers.

Why Wake Forest, bro? I was a fan of Chris Paul. I grew up watching Chris and I was like, damn, they let him do whatever up there. I don't want to follow him. I let you do whatever, shit.

Yeah, I did. Right, right. I was like, I don't need to follow them footsteps and that's how it happened. Bro, that's what's up. I enjoyed your whatever up there. I don't want to follow him. I let you do whatever. Sure. Yeah, I did. Right, right. I need to follow them footsteps, and that's how it happened. Word. That's what's up. I enjoyed your time up there, bro. I'm from ACC country, so, you know, I was a huge Tar Heel fan and all that other shit.

But, bro, you used to get your money. I appreciate that. I was going to ask you, what school was you going to go to if you didn't go straight to the league? Michigan. Oh, you were supposed to. Damn. Okay. Michigan. Oh, you were in Michigan. Damn. Okay. Michigan.

I went to Michigan two years before. So, 10th grade, I had a chance to go up and watch them play Michigan State. And I got to meet Webb. And I got to meet Jawan. I got to meet Jimmy. Everybody. Jalen, everybody. And they were super cool.

And not at the time to where you could take people around. They just took me and we kind of disappeared. And not at the time to where you could take people around, they just took me and we kind of disappeared. And Webb was, I took a liking to Webb's game, but then when I met Webb, Webb cuffed me like a little brother, man. And that stuck with me so much that when I watched him play, I saw myself. Mm-hm. And then I just start piecing off the style.

Obviously, I wasn't way up size or none of that. But the way he played through and, you know how you is when you're seeing your favorite player, right? So, yeah, I wanted to follow in those footsteps. But UNC was great on development. And one of the things I wanted to really do was develop as a player. I didn't want to, you know, I didn't want you to look at a 1995 tape and then look at 97 and I'm looking the same. So, UNC was known for developing. I didn't want you to look at a 1995 tape and then look at 97 and I'm looking the same.

So UNC was known for developing. One thing I will say, they developed big men a certain way. And if you saw how my style was, I didn't want to be your traditional big. I didn't have the body mass to go down here. Kevin McHale would be showing me these moves where you had to have big shoulders to get it up. You know exactly what I'm talking about, You know, you're trying to figure that out So early on I struggle with that but I figured it out, but I wanted to go to UNC for the development I had a cousin. I got a real cousin in life Shimon Williams who actually Started play. Yeah. Yeah, she was my older cousin. My real father in life is his is his uncle

His mother is my real aunt. Oh, okay. Barely know my pops, though, so, you know, that whole shit was kind of, you know what I mean? But when we saw each other, it was always love. If I see him today, it's always love. Same old, same old. But, yeah, those two schools really made an impact on me. Sure. You would have been raw in Michigan. No, I remember I wanted to go to Georgia Tech with Steph, man,

and Bobby Krimis told me they had a kid by the name of Eddie Elisma, and they didn't need no more bigs. Listen, for about 10 years I was looking for Eddie Elisma. I just wanted him to be on somebody's team. I just wanted to show Bobby Krimis what's the difference. You know what I'm saying? Where you get that mindset from, Because I follow your story, bro. I'm a huge fan.

I remember you doing your draft workouts and you talking about Pat Riley. Yeah, man. Yeah, the Pat Riley story. That's great. Yeah, my mom, man. My mom's a kind of a shout out to my mom, Cheryl. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, my mom, she's a hard worker, man.

My mom used to work the graveyard shifts. You know what the graveyard shifts are? Yeah, I used to work them. Y'all know 12 to 12? Yeah, sir. 66, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, my mom worked that. So I grew up very responsible, being able to cook early,

being able to clean the house early. I grew up in the South, so I was outside. I'm from slap boxing. I'm from all the guys fighting. I'm from all that guys fighting i'm from i'm from all that wrestling for the belt getting beat for the belt going home cutting out carpet making a new belt coming outside with the you know i'm from that real on the bike i'm in neighborhoods my neighborhood fighting your neighborhood we got i'm from all that you know what i'm saying so outside

outside and i'm from the blacktop i'm i'm i'm out here i'm gonna go to every park and see who out here and try to kill it and you start to get a rep you know what i'm saying that's big fella you know that's uh yeah they them malden them in the malden boys you know i'm saying shit like this but yeah man um my mom gave me this kind of uh yeahnonsense kind of attitude that go at shit. And why not you? My mom used to play all those little riddles with me. She's like, Kev, you know if you ever come into a room and look for the leader? I was like, what are you talking about?

If you can't find a leader in the room, guess who's the leader? She used to say little shit like that. And then, dog, I started taking shit personal. You know what I'm saying? Light-skinned niggas was in I started taking shit personal. You know what I'm saying? Light skinned niggas was in, dog skinned, you know what I'm saying? So, I'm super competitive. So, a lot of times, dog, when I would take things personal, I would put it in the competitive form because I didn't want to be rowdy.

You know, we got an ass whooping my house. So, I'm from, I got manners, open doors for women, I wash dishes. I know how to clean the whole house up. You know So I'm from, I got manners, open doors for women, I wash dishes, I know how to clean the whole house up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So putting all those into play,

couldn't get in trouble in school, or you got killed. You know what I'm saying? So I had to learn to control those emotions and then challenge towards something.

So basketball started coming into my life. I started really putting a lot of time in it. And then I found this untapped energy if you will that when it came to competitiveness when i heard um i heard sea biscuit had a um a complex that the writer he was kind of easing back to let the other horse go back and when the horse got in front of

him the horse sea biscuit would go ape shit and just smoke the horse. When I heard that analogy, I connected with that. Like, to play somebody better than you actually gets you to play better, and it makes you more attentive, more locked in. You ever hear about when you take a sense, the other sense gets heightened? I swear, when I would play people that were bigger than me or better than me or I consider better than me, it

activated that. And then I got into the league, and the league was a bully league. And yeah, man, coming from Chicago, everybody pulling up on you, wanting to hoop in the crate, in the alley, in this gym, on this whatever. So you didn't steal that in and then put me in the

league and then say that I can't do something. So I was like, man, I'm finna prove all y'all wrong, y'all. You know what I'm saying? I told everybody at the draft when Sheed and Stack was cracking jokes on me, man, in front of about like 50 niggas. They're like, nigga, you should've took your ass to college, man. I was like, nigga, I'm finna be

better than all y'all niggas. Nah! These niggas fussed out laughing. I'm the only one not laughing. Me and Scotty Thurman. Scotty Thurman. I don't know if you know this kid from Arkansas.

He used to shoot the long ball. He was like, hey, they fucking with you because they know y'all fella. He was country. Man, they know y'all fella. Yeah. But yeah,

I've always been super competitive in my mindset, man. It's got to be, I always say it one-on-ones, it's me or you. It's got to be you. It can't be me. Knowone, it's me or you. It's got to be you. Can't be me. Know what I'm saying? Yeah, I heard you did that to Scottie Pippen, too.

Yeah, we got two of them. I was young, though. I was young and wild, though. When I got to Chicago, I moved in a certain area off the west side called K-Town. Yes, sir. Yeah, K-Town got all these different streets in these different areas. And, yeah, they rep different places. You know what I'm saying? GD's over here. Bikeslore's over here. Cobra's over here.

And you got to know how to... Latin King's over here. You got to know how to go through that, right? And then once I figured it out, bro, you know, you're moving. And, you know, a lot of the guys you move with, you move... How you moving?

Yeah. Yeah, man, Scottie Pippen got us some shit. And, you know, a lot of the guys you move with, you move with how you're moving. Yeah. Yeah, man, Scottie Pippen got us some shit. And I don't know what he thought. Yeah. But, yeah, I quickly, you know, got him to understand where he was. But that wasn't a good moment for me because I felt like, you know, when you come into an NBA setting, you don't want to be rowdy. Grover let us come in there.

As soon as we got into that, Grover tried to kick us out. Guys didn't want to get kicked out. Turned into a whole other thing. I knew the guys, Carl Harris was in there. Carl Harris wasn't in there. Who's the street guy from the south side? If Carl Harris wasn't in there, it would have been all bad. But I'm glad he was in there.

And then what's even more crazy to that, Jeff, Isaiah Thomas in the corner watching all this. And that's's even more crazy to that, Jeff, Isaiah Thomas in the corner watching all this. And that's where I got the jewels from. And I seen Zeke. Zeke pulled me to the side because I ain't no Zeke from the west side like he was. You know what I'm saying? He's super, you know what I'm saying? Man, Zeke's super plugged

into the west side. So the shit there, I talked to him. I talked to him about three hours. And after that three hours, I knew exactly what I was doing. Yeah. Straight up. You got a story like that with J.R. Ryder too, right? When y'all played the Bulls and he was talking shit to Jory. J.R. had to tell you,

hey, K, chill out, bro. You fit the 30 book. Jeff, you know this, man. When you play a guy, you play somebody that you look up to. You don't watch enough film to know that this guy is better than you, but you still have confidence in yourself. It was kind of like that. Mike and them were just bullying niggas, man.

Pressing up, 94 feet, zigzagging. They get it in. They hand-checking. The refs ain't calling it. So, when a young guy like T here, grab T, hip, you really got to know how to handle it because you're really dealing with force and brute. Right, right, right. If the ref ain't calling it, bro, you got to deal with it yourself.

That's how I feel about y'all, though. I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy you say that because that's what the Bulls is doing to us. Yeah. So we learned that and then started to implement it on the young guys. Real shit, real shit. But, yeah, that was the same way.

But just like how you learn, that makes you better. That kind of headache that you got to deal with, you're like, holy shit. The first time it happened, you in big eyes, right? Second time, you're like, oh shit. Third time, nah. You ain't tripping. You know what I'm saying? Nah, for sure.

You adjust. But yeah, me and JR was in there. And Mike then was just on some bully shit. And I was having a decent ass game. I had just seen my friend. He had just got into a car accident. I didn't really get much sleep. We was on the back to back.

When I landed, I went straight to the hospital. I sat in there all night waiting. And man, it was just hard to see fields in there with the halo on his neck. Yeah. And I was like, damn. And then I was really effective and i came back to the uh hotel i had to go right to the um arena to the to the arena and you know first bus and all that so i was over there super early so i was super inspired but i was running off fumes

i didn't have no sleep that night had the whole west side on the whole left side of that so i felt yeah i was in i had a great night, but yeah, just, just, just, man, as soon as I started feeling good, man,

I fucked that up. I fucked that up. It's a lot of shit I didn't fuck up. I fucked that up. Because we had a chance to win that game. And I woke the beast up, dog. And I didn't think that shit was real until you see it.

Like, oh shit, really? Really? Really? Really? Really? Skid,

skid. Man, he went, look, shit. Really? Really? Really? Really? Shit. Shit. So they went crazy. Man, he went, look, no bullshit. Came down simple. Two dribble pull-up. Three. Five. And one.

Shot two free throw. Like, it was, I looked up. The nigga had like 40 in like 12 minutes. I was like, damn. We sitting on the bench. I was like, damn. We down 19. Damn, my bad.

Then I looked. You know how you look at everybody? And everybody looking at you like. Told that nigga to shut up. That's how Joe did me. Yeah. And that's how JR. JR was like my dog to, you know, it's OK.

We're going to get through it. We at the end of the bench. He was taking shoes off. I was like, my fault, man. It's all good, man. Shut your ass up. Man, for real, man. It's all good, man. Shut your ass up. I mean, for real, man. I see, I see.

I never said shit to Jordan after that, dog. Real shit. I ain't say nothing. I remember that story. Shut up, black cat. You good? You good? Okay, cool.

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Subscribe today, and you'll immediately be smarter and funnier than your friends. And who doesn't want that? Listen now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, you know, it's funny. Jeff always spoke very, very, very highly of that Celtics backcourt defense. And you just talking about Avery Bradley recently about how, you know what I'm saying, he had to go down to the G-League to wake up. I love the fact that we giving people honor like that, cuz I feel like guys like Drew Holiday now that they getting their praise that they deserve.

You talk about the real defenders, like you said, it would be a nightmare matchup for you with Doe. And then you talk about AB, it was just interesting to hear you say that in his high praise for him. Nah, man, them two, they had a ticket that got up on screens, and then they had Pert. He didn't get all the way up, but he was physical. Then you had them two dudes, bro. They had 94 feet you, and then Avery Bradley took everything personal.

I remember one game we played them. It was my second year. Rondo was out, and he started at point guard. I think it was his first start. Yep. And I kind of embarrassed him a little bit. I went by him, dunked on him, stole the ball from him a bunch of times. And the next time he played me, he was like, yeah, what's up?

And I was like, what? I was like, he's sad. You know what I mean? I was like, I already killed him. He's sad. Bro, he was guarding me full court. I'm turning. I had to pass to Kurt Heimer.

I was like, bring it up, Kurt. I ain't messing with him. Real shit. Nah, for real. He was serious. A.B. Bradley's feet was probably similar to similar to like Usher's or Michael Jackson's. Like he had the quickest feet. He was normally, when you get hit, if you and Jeff T right now was in the pick and roll

and bro came up and said a pick on you, if he hit any part of your leg, you're going to turn. You're just going to turn sideways. That's just what it is. of your leg, you're going to turn. You're just going to turn sideways. That's just what it is. Avery Bradley was the only guy that I knew that got his shoulder right over yours, got his feet over. And he went like, damn, that chili sauce.

Am I lying? Bro, he got highlights on YouTube doing that. Listen, bro. Swear. Listen, his. Hell. And then he, you know what? He poking.

And, you know, when the guard bringing it up, you know, the motherfucker bringing it up, he ain't really thinking about the poking and all that because you're calling the plate and trying to see. Yeah. Well, that motherfucker's in your cavity. You got to either chicken wing him or, man, imagine. So when I heard you say that, when I saw that clip, I was like, yeah, that's right on to what they was on.

They was on harassment and really trying to break the point guard down. Like, man, run him in the ground so they got to bring the backup and then we're going to run him in the ground. And that was our whole plan was to outwork you as a team. Nah, that was a fact. Position, position. I was tripling the ball playing one-on-one with him. It's a timeout.

You know, TD Gordon gets so loud. Right. Y'all stop. He's still right there in your face. He's calling a timeout. I'm still trying to beat him. Looking crazy. They don't hear the whistle, though Gordon gets so loud. Y'all stop. He's still right there in your face. He's calling a timeout. I'm still trying to beat him. Looking crazy. They don't hear the whistle, though.

Just them two. Like, yo, yo, yo, yo. I'm talking to the bitch. I'm like. They playing one. They came out there. Get your ass over here. I'm like, oh, shit.

I was like, yeah, I can't keep fucking with him. I ain't saying nothing else to him. Nah, he was serious. Who you like in the league as guards right now? Man. You got a favorite? You got favorite guards you like? My favorite point guard probably like in the league as guards right now? Man. You got a favorite? You got a favorite guard you like? My favorite point guard probably is Jalen Brunson right now.

JB. Big body cold. I see him come up when he's a little kid, bro. His development, bro. Yeah, and to see him get to where he was, like being at Villanova, I never thought he would be this player. And then to see where he is now, knowing his dad, it's like, damn. Shout out to Rick.

When I saw a couple times in Dallas where he would take over games and then kind of come off it, you know, because he couldn't, he wouldn't go four throttle, but you saw the glimpses. Yeah. Because for a long time they was trying to get rid of the mid-range. Remember the mid-range? And just

diagnostics, at least in data, that's not a good one. You keep going shoot, da-da-da, make it a you know, and then I think Houston fucked that whole thing up when they came. Dan Moore came in and tried to really run. Yeah, yeah. So I say that to set up that I felt like, man, you start to see it with the mid-range. And then he just accepted that.

Yeah, I'm just going to go mid-range. I don't want to, if I got to stand still three, cool. And then to put all that together, bro, you know the most, I don't want to say disrespected, but it's probably the most underrated thing in our league, development. Nah, for sure. Team man, don't nobody develop

the young boys no more, man. And if so, you got one trainer training a tall guy, training a center, a forward, and a guard the same fucking way, bro. That's because they eliminated all the old heads. Bro, the moves look the same, bro. Like right now, I already know a young boy going to give me an in and out,

and he going to cross. And if he cross, he probably going to step back left because you're already over. Yeah. If he ain't doing that, he doing the heads and all this. It's like I'm watching the move patterns be so similar that I don't see nothing coming out of that. I don't see nothing coming out of that. I don't see nothing. So then I jumped in, and I was like, oh, okay.

I'm going to go see who – Check invited me to come see him work out one day. I went to go see Check work out. I see his whole workout. What he was working out on, Tatum was working on. Kawhi was working on. Fucking Brunson was working on. I was just like, no, man, you got to customize your own package.

You got to customize your own bag. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's true. Man, the bag looks similar throughout all of it. You know what I'm saying? And that's real. Like you said, you can look at people with that game.

It's like, oh, I know who he trained with in the offseason. I hate to say that, even though I don't know the trainer. Yeah. I'll see it look similar. You know what I'm saying? That's all I'm saying. And then that will bring you back to, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they do got the same.

Oh, yeah, they do that type of thing. You talk about the mid-range. You talk about the guards in the league. You talk about SGA going crazy with the mid-range. And then you got to talk about, look, man, the house you built, the young guy in there reviving it, A.E. Man, he nasty. How was that, man, for you to be the best player in typical history, to see the resurgence with. A.E. Man, he nasty. How was that, man? For you to be the best player

in typical of history to see the resurgence with young A.E. with a similar mindset with like a work ethic. Like, how was that to like enjoy? I love Ant's goal, man.

I like his, I like his yesteryear demeanor, man. You know, I thought, I don't mind all the being cool because,

you know what, like you said, you know Gordon. You got guys from downtown that you fought with, right? Y'all see each other's cool, right? But it ain't cool to the point where what, like you said, you know Gordon. You got guys from downtown that you fought with, right? Y'all see each other as cool, right? But it ain't cool to the point where Gordon going to let you score him. No.

That's what I'm saying. The shit started to look buddy-buddy at one point. That's why it just didn't look like it was competitive or what I was used to seeing. So, you know what, I had to get off that. This is a new generation and this is what the game looks like now. So, I started to go off that this is a new generation and this is what the game looks like now so i start to go in that direction but man i gotta i gotta say bro like um yeah i enjoy competitiveness i enjoy when guys are you know surfing yeah and i think that's a big part of it gaming ship is another big part of it you know. I have never pulled up to a park and never seen anybody.

You pull up to the park in those, too. You know what I'm saying? I'll bust your ass in these. Fuck your conversation. I'll bust your ass in these for you. He the first stretch for you. I was trying to. I'm the first stretch for you.

I don't give a fuck. I don't care what you did at Fergie. I got you. You coming in to post. My nigga. Slow down. Right. I can in to post. My nigga. Slow down. Right. I can't even.

Like, right. He grabbed the pillow. I'm having a. I'm having a. I'm glad I didn't have no drink. I'm having a grandma. Like, who bust your ass, nigga? What?

I'm talking about. We got a rim in Dre's? We got a rim in Dre's? Where the hell that? Dre's is crazy. Hey, they got a rim in here, dog. We go right to. You know what I'm saying?

Right. Slow down, dog. I don't know you, my nigga. I don't know you. They know you. They know you, nigga. I'm going to get to know you. Right.

Fuck out of here. Bust your ass, nigga. Right. Change my whole. What was the question you asked? You got on the shoes. Bro, I'll bust your ass and knees right here, boy. That is the special.

The whole special. The whole special is right here. You hear me? You still hoop? I'm going to tell you what I do, dog. I don't hoop. But I work out money through Friday. And just for if I got a little more fucking mouth and all,

if I can go up here, I can, you know what I'm saying? I keep the dust off just enough. But I'll be honest. I want to ask you this to see if you're having the same issue. Bro, I don't really go and hoop and turn it up, turn it up, because I already know that's going to send me, right? I don't have no place to put the hope, man. Yeah.

Nah, that's how I am. Like, how do you turn off, T? Have you turned it off? Yeah, I turned it off. I own a gym back in Indy, and we got a men's league, but I never play serious. You got to be playing fucking around? I just be trying to stay in shape.

They be testing you. And then, like, I played in the big three the other day, and that moment happened. A dude scored on me. I was just chilling. He scored on me a couple times. He was having a good day. And all of a sudden, it flipped.

I throw in the ball at him. I'm day. And all of a sudden, it flipped. I'm throwing the ball at him. I'm going. And I was like, this ain't even me. I'm a podcaster now. What am I doing? I got to relax.

Oh, nigga, you a demon. Remember how you got the podcast. You know what I'm saying? For sure. And embrace that, bro. Real shit. Real shit. They be trying him at the gym.

Hey, listen. That's why you go in there and you're supposed to bust that mark. Whoever the fuck that is, you bust his ass and kill his confidence right there. See, when we play, I won't ever have this problem out this motherfucker. And when I see him, he going to come with, oh, man, take it. Oh, it's going to be super hateful. It's going to be there regardless.

Okay, cool. But it's different after you play a nigga. And then you go in the mirror and look at yourself like, damn, I couldn't get a bucket on that motherfucker? And then you're going to look at them shoes and like, man, I don't want these shoes. You're going to start. And that's what I was going for. I'm here to destroy your inner confidence, nigga.

Yeah. But you ever say no shit like that to no real nigga. Word up. See how you looking now? Now you doubt what you said. Ooh. I'm ready. You got doubting.

I'm ready. You don't look ready. I'm ready. Your voice ain't ready. Because you don't have no socks on. That ain't the right. What that mean? I'm going to kill you with them. I'm ready. You don't look ready. I'm ready. Your voice ain't ready. You don't have no socks on. It ain't the red, right. What that mean? I'm going to kill you with them Pumas on.

What that mean? What that mean? You got a referee's shoes on. Get the court up. Set the court up. What we doing, Tennessee? Set the court up, Hennessy. All we got.

One-on-one. Right. Let's do a shot before we got them play, too, nigga. Oh, that's... I said before we play. I'm ready right now. I'm ready right now, too, nigga. Oh, that's, that's, that's. I said before we play. I'm ready right now. I'm ready right now too, nigga. You ain't said nothing.

Before we get out of here, man, I want to talk about one of the best point guards that does not get enough credit. And I think in this era, he would have got as much love as he should deserve. Steph Marbury, man. I feel like if he was in this era, dog, we would give him way more praise. Like, he's one of the ones for me always has been. But I feel like in this league now, the way they let the guards go crazy, they do man, he would go so crazy right now. Y'all have

one of the best one-two tattles we ever seen, man. Yeah, playing with Steph was dope, man. Steph was a real friend, too. Yeah, real one. Yeah, yeah. I was friends with his brothers. Shout out to Don, Eric, Zach, all those guys. Sebastian, Fox, 530, all those guys.

Yeah, I used to be in Coney Island early at 17, 18 years. So when we got together in Minnesota, it felt like this is what we wanted to do. And it made the game easy. You know, you're not playing with a guy that you fuck with. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. He know your speed. And then Steph, one of them, he was an IQ guy.

You know, I had really good hands. And he used to always be like, Cam, you better have your hands guy. You know, I had really good hands. And he used to always be like, Kev, you better have your hands ready. You know what I'm saying? Just knowing that he was unorthodox with his passes and his timing. But bro trained differently. You know what I'm saying? He saw the world and the game differently.

And when he played, I thought he did a great job of showcasing that. You know, Steph had pieces from all the guards that we love, the Ross Strickland's, the Kenny Anderson's, the Pearl Washington's, right? He had all those pieces when you look at all guard play, right? But then think about it, T, intelligence. A lot of people don't tap into intelligence. A lot of people don't understand timing, what plays to call, what his whole variety of who he playing with and what's the spreadsheet for them.

Like, you know, you could probably tap into this a little bit, but when you go through a guard play and you analyze what it takes to be a polished guard and not just polished on the blacktop, but I'm talking about a polished guard in the league and lead the team, Steph was one of those. You know what I'm saying? He looked up to AI.

Him and AI had a bunch of had a bunch of back and forth. I think Steve Francis jumped in there later on. So I used to love to watch that. But Steph grew to want his own. I think once we got to Minnesota, you know, I think that within himself, if you know anything about Steph, has a really big personality. Super New York, super C.I. You know, he called me out in Brooklyn until he die.

So when he came up and was on some like, yeah, I want to, man, I'm finna go back there. I'm finna go back home. I'm finna go back home

and try to do it all. Yeah. I was mad because I was being selfish and wanting, you know, us to go and rock and see what we can be.

Yeah. But then when I thought about it, I was like, I can't even be mad because you only get one chance at this shit. And for you to be able to go to a franchise and you be the head of it and you run it and get the house say and put the pieces in there that you want. Nah, bro, I can't even be mad at you.

Then he was talking like he had some vision and where he wanted to go. And we ended up sending him to Jersey, which was, you know, not New York, but it was Jersey. And for him to go back there, he looked happier. He was around his family and he was in his setting. And then I kind of came off it like, okay, he doing him. And then I didn't take it so personal. You know what I'm saying?

It was just when he was on something like, oh, I want to be in Minnesota. Like, nah, nigga, you want to go do your own shit, which I can respect. And, yeah, shout out to Steph, man. It was a good time when it was good. Hate that we didn't get to tap into that potential to see what we could have been, but, yeah, shout out to Steph for that, man. Underrated 20 and 8 for sure. Yeah, man.

You don't get spoke on enough, bro. No, you don't, bro. Yeah, you know what, too, man? You know the league, man. With your story and how you come through and things that follow you. Yeah. Man, they put all that on you. You know what I'm saying?

If you got in trouble A, B, and C. I ain't going to say he did anything to fuck the game off or whatever. But I know his situations in the Knicks and that whole debacle and how that whole played out. And then him having to go to China and shit. Steph should have never had to go to China. You know what I'm saying? Stephon Marbury had to go to China and shit. Like, Steph should have never had to go to China. You know what I'm saying? Stephon Marbury had to go to China? You know what I'm saying?

It's crazy. But showing to his true brilliance, man. He goes over there. He takes over the fucking league. He becomes what we all know him to be, the great spirit that he is. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And he went over there and made the China League popular to where players go over there

and play now. I don't know if they're going to go play after seeing the young boys sleeping in the fucking lobby. That was crazy. Was that crazy? That's crazy. Listen, we talk about the NBA and these different leagues. The league is, I say this, it's professional. Yeah.

You would never have a guy in none of those aspects. And then, two, I'm thinking, one, where's your agent and where's your teammates? For sure. That's the first thing I thought. If you sleeping in the lobby, where's your other teammates? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And who's not speaking up for you?

Whole nother conversation, I say. But yeah, shout out to Steph doing that, man. No, no, no. I say the young fella doing that, but I was just going back to Steph and being able to make China popular and all that shit. But yeah, Steph was one of them question marks of what could have been. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Before we get out of here, man, last fan question for me, man. One of my favorite pitches, one of the favorite passes, oops of all time at an all-star joint. You a cold, man. One of my favorite things I've seen on the basketball court, man. Yeah, shout to Bing. basketball court, man. Yeah, shout out to Bing.

Yeah, when we was coming up, when I first met that crazy motherfucker, Bing was super intense, super intense as a young kid. And then when we got to the All-Star game, it was in New York, and they called the East out first. And we were sitting in the back.

And I'm on. I am so on. I am on. I'm ready to get out here. Man, fuck them. You know, like, it was just, I was ready. And it was the first time I saw him, like, nervous. And nobody else was paying attention and shit. You know, we the youngest here.

So I'm like, yeah. It's actually a clip. They don't play the whole clip, but they play a piece of it. Like, yeah, motherfucker, we at the All-Star game, nigga. We at the All-Star game, nigga. Now, Dappy, you see him. And I'm in the back like this. I said, nigga, you ready, nigga?

We here now, nigga. We here now. And I dab him. And he like, yeah, yeah, we at the All-Star. I'm like, nigga, get your gas up. Hey, nigga, we going at this, nigga. Because they was already pumping him and Mike. Nigga, feel me? I'm like, yeah, yeah the office. I'm like, nigga, get your gas up.

Hey, nigga, we going at this nigga. Because they was already pumping him and Mike. Nigga, fuck him. Get out here. I'm looking for you. Be ready. He said, all right, cool. And I be down.

I'm talking about the second play in the game, third play. Boom, boom. I came down, took it on the left side, and I looked up. And I just put it right in the middle of the rim and where he was coming from. I timed it perfectly. Well, this nigga jumped so motherfucking high. in the middle of the realm and where he was coming for that time that perfectly well this jump so high and when i talk about that vince carter moment boy cold ass just i watched it from my perspective i threw it yeah so i watched him just blue we dunked that dog when he came out i was like yeah i told me for the i was i was

on some shit he was on some like, let's be professional. Man, fuck that, man. Fuck, let's get it. So that energy coming out playing. Yeah, that was a magical game because MJ was looking for it too. He wanted all smoke. Blowing his hand, licking his fingers and shit. It was on.

The demon came out. He was in Madison Square. You know, he really activate when he in there, right? Oh, man, it was no bigger stage than center stage at MSG and watching that going back and forth. MJ solidifying himself,

you know what I'm saying? But Kobe establishing himself right there, you know? That's a good moment. Man, what better way than this? Ticket. Go ahead, Jeff. Go ahead.

We here. That's an MVP right there. So you won the MVP top 75. You did damn near everything you could do in basketball, bro. To, like, you know, transition to doing podcasts and being more open. Like, because me knowing you, when you played, you was the best teammate. My brother told me you the ultimate teammate. Everybody when you play, you was the best teammate. My brother told me you the ultimate teammate. Everybody in Minnesota told me you was the ultimate teammate,

the best bet you can have. But you never talked about players or nobody like that. So to see you show love to the young guys now is different, bro. Like most of the old heads that we used to say was old heads when I used to watch, they would talk crazy about the young guys. Oh, they getting this money? They don't play? And then you come in, you like, yeah, I love AE. Yeah. They would talk crazy about the young guys. Oh, they getting this money? They don't play? And then you come in.

You like, yeah, I love AE. Yeah. Tyrese Halliburton, too. You put a lot of light on him. Yeah. Well, think about this, guys. Real shit. When you play, man, man, at least for me, I kept playing that gray area.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Even though, I mean, Chauncey Billups, Teron Liu, Rasheed Wallace, these are my personal friends. Yeah. And I understood what it was when we all played. So, you know, when I played, man, I locked into who was rolling with me. And if you notice, I never really fraternized with the other side.

I doubt you say what up, but it was never like a you know i'm saying unless i really really never that was probably maybe one or two or a handful of guys i count on one hand right so when it came to make a jump to um broadcasting and stuff i thought those experiences of being able to share some of those stories and you know the fact that i have never sat back and had a real conversation with you yeah before we got here to let you know my respects towards you and what I was a fan of yours and your body of work. And the reason why I was growling, I ain't growling at everybody. Ain't no nigga ever going to come back up like, man, can't remember growling at me. I'm only doing that to niggas that I got.

You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. So I had a certain level of respect for you. So to come on here, let Jeff feel me. You know what I'm know I'm saying let him know that man not only did I fuck with you but you know your little brother when he came in Brooklyn I cuffed him like that was that's what this is that's what to me that's what the podcast brain is uh lane is for it's for me to be able to I took all this experience and let me just throw out these experience hey man this happened to me over here this happened and that's all it is for me, to be able to make reference to things that I've been through,

to what these young guys are going through, to let them show that the parity is very similar, bro. Bro, you thinking it's hard, bro. Shit. Y'all ain't practicing. Bro, imagine having to practice. Matter of fact, imagine doing two days for 30 days. Y'all ain't. So when I share some of this experience, it's only to bring it back to today's game because i think today's game these young boys think a certain way but man

bro what 15 years 10 years ago is a whole nother way and a whole nother way of style so taking that greatness too bro remember this about yourself you know when you went to wake forest you became great there you came to league you established a greatness about yourself so much that you got a brand now to where you got a podcast. You're coming up here speaking on not just any NBA experience, but IQ and articulating it for your audience, right?

That's a greatness. It was no way I was going to come in here and see you 265 or overweight, looking like a bum. You know what I'm saying? Bro, because you got a greatness about you. I would expect that when you walk off the court to have the same thing. Bro, I tried to dominate every point

that I was on the court. Who's to say you put that up when you step off of it? I just took that same energy. I put it into something else. If you ask my partners at Content Cartel, my partners, they'll tell you how hard I go at that shit. When we put our shows together, I'm up all night. I don't use no cards.

It's all off my dome. I rip. And this is my vision for the world and what I want to give them for when we shoot. I shoot it with P, who's my real best friend in real life. And he's as crazy as they come. So y'all get to see the two guys who are real best friends talk basketball in front of y'all. And so we clean it up as much as we can But we like to be ourselves

We dress how we fucking dress We come in here You know what I'm saying? Like all this Put the nigga in the box And have him talk like this And wind him up And then when that dude

Wah That shit out of here Fuck that Niggas ain't doing that shit no more Nah, y'all show fire, man Fire, bro You know what? It's from us

And that's what I love about y'all show Y'all show fire Because it's from, bro. You know what? It's from us. Yeah. And that's what I love about y'all show. Y'all show fire because it's from y'all. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I love how you came on here talking your shit.

Nah, thank you, bro. You know what I'm saying? Keep going. Nah. Thank you, bro. I still want them ones. It's all good, Lord. And then you're going

to be careful on how you got up. You know what I'm saying? All right. Yeah, man. I ain't no bus driver, my nigga. Nah, I don't respect.

I don't some real shit. For real. I wore a 21 because of you. Oh, that's real shit, bro. That some real shit. For real. I wore a 21 because of you. Oh, that's real shit, bro. That's respect.

That's respect. That's respect. That's a, before you even probably start watching our pod, when we first start talking and they used to join on me for being

like the first 5'10 power forward. He was my favorite power forward, bro. And you said you was the first face up, what you say?

First face up, four, bro, at 5'10", bro. I like that. I called it the praying mantis. Yeah, and I was built like this. So you've been this size your whole life?

Yep, shout out to my grandma's side. Nah, dawg, you got a chance to kill it. 16-10, KG. 16-10? What's that mean? That was my stats. Oh, word. For sure. In Indianapolis? That was my stats. Oh, word. For sure.

In Indianapolis? Yeah, and I played with George Hill, too. Yep. Yep. Where the fuck is George Hill at these days? He live in San Antonio. He on a farm. He on like a...

Yeah, I saw that nigga. I thought he was in... That's George... That's the Dreds? George Hill. Light-skinned George Hill. Yeah, yeah. My bad.

My bad. I'm thinking of George Hill. Arizona. No, no, no. Shout out to Jay. Shout out to George Hill. Noinned George Hill. Yeah, yeah. My bad. My bad. I'm thinking of George Hill. Arizona. No, no, no. Shout out to Jay. Shout out to Jordan. No, George Hill. Yeah.

He's a bad motherfucker. George Hill, bad motherfucker too, boy. Yeah. Yeah. Talk shit. Yeah, a little light-skinned ass nigga. Yeah. Y'all fuck with G, though.

He got people, man. We appreciate you for coming on, though, man. This is for real, for real. You know what I'm saying? One time for the one time. Oh, that's what's up, man. Cheers. To the ticket. Cheers, y know what I'm saying? One time for the one time. Oh, that's what's up, man. Cheers.

To the ticket. Cheers, y'all. Cheers. Anything is possible. My dog. My dog. Straight up. All right, man, this is a blessing, man.

We had the legend bless us with his presence, man. For sure. Check my man's out. Constant going crazy. Him and P keep it entertaining. Keep it authentic. You know what it is. Club 520 Hennessy.

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