Club Shay Shay - Club 520 - Shelvin Mack on playing with Jeff Teague on Hawks, facing LeBron’s Cavs, Kobe scoring 60

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 11 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Shelvin Mack. The guys discuss Shelvin Mack’s Butler run in the NCAA tournament where they made the national championship in back-to-back seasons, and had the city of Indianapolis on fire. Mack speaks on playing for Brad Stevens, and tells a WILD STORY of having to practice the day after the NCAA Championship game. Mack also talks about being part of Kobe Bryant's 60-point game with the Jazz, and what he remembers from that iconic moment in NBA history. Plus, don't miss Shelvin on his Pro-Am game with John Wall and Demarcus Cousins, hooping with Jeff Teague on the Atlanta Hawks, losing to LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers in the playoffs, and becoming good friends with rapper 2 Chainz in Atlanta. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Another episode of Club 520 Podcast. I'm the host, my name is DJ Wells. Special guest and to be able to return the guests, if you know you know, you know what I'm saying? Back then, our OG 520 days, we gonna introduce my man's last, my far left, my dog, Bishop B. Hitting out the Prillies.

How you what, nasty? Cool and nasty. Let's get to it, baby. Aight, T. it's crazy. You know what I'm saying? We started this podcast. My boy was in the Black Forces, White Laces. Know what I'm saying?

He just taking fines every week and he got showed up today in the all whites, man. He don't care, man. He don't care no more. Check that cash, man. He don't care no more. Checked in cash, man. He don't care no more. Fuck that trick, man. Introduce that nigga, so we can go.

Door Dash trick came in, that's how you act. It's crazy. Finally. That's a quick return. It wasn't that quick. So my righty, my dog, Young Nacho, Young Tig, how you doing, man? I'm chilling, bro.

You know what I mean? We got a homie in the bill. One of my closest teammates, one of my closest teammates, one of my favorite teammates, but I gotta say something before we start, our buddy had a job messed up in Lexington. Oh yeah. I seen a little homie.

It was on, you thought it was Mitchell's coach. Ice cream coach. Yeah, whoever he is. Don't ever disrespect. I don't think he watched a lot of basketball. Then Jasper Johnson, that's the young kid. He's top tier in the country. Yeah, and he tried to disrespect Lexington like that.

And saying, who's shoving me? Yeah, you gonna find out what he talking about. But he was badadado for real. I ain't gonna hold y'all. He was. That's crazy. That was badadado. I don't know who flexing harder today.

Him with the off-whites or you with the T-Scouts. But he's like paper though. I'm hooping he. Man, him and the Lips who we got. We're gonna die if he's hooping here. We are not seeing you in the 53 next week. Oh my mama, not next week. Three next week.

Since next. All right, man, but to my left, like I said, returning guest, family year to show, one of the coldest college basketball players of all time. My man, from the Lex going crazy. Shelvin Mack, big dawg. Appreciate you sliding on us again, homie. Yes sir, man.

Appreciate you having me. I love your podcast, what y'all doing. Listen to all the stories. Know all of them true. A lot of people think they're not true. Most of them are true. And I lived it, been around it, and seen it all. You just say you've been a part of them stories,

you know what I'm saying? I ain't made it. That's why we got this episode. The crazy part is, man, the six degrees of separation with you in this episode and the whole gang is funny. Like y'all gotta talk here about how you first met Shil, man. Cause it is a reason why, because that's how he met Tig and vice versa.

Well, yeah, this one right here, I met him here on a black shirt, some football jeans. I was flexing. You sound about right, Fet Albert. Fet Albert jeans. My God, this was 2008. 10. Oh my gosh.

This is 2008. You know, my dude Barry, shout out to my dog Barry, he was cutting bro hair and then, you know, she just wanted to link up with the black people. I didn't know he was going to the NBA. I had him in the trenches getting his hair cut. He was at the Dice Games, at the trap. I got put in office plenty of times, everyone thinking,

thinking something different, of being on Butler's campus all the time. Yeah, shout out to Brad Stevens, man, I love you. They thought I was trapping, I had the 26s on the time. Shout out to Brad Stevens, man, I love you. They thought I was trapping, I had a 26 on the 300. The point part about that is how you look like Ice Cube, bro. On J.K. Promos. Damn, we got a lot of three-pointer.

My shit was way better than Cube's. Love J.K. But yeah, I had, you know, I took care of my dog, while he was here. I wouldn't have had him in them type of situations if I knew he was going to the league. He was always good with me. And he a Trimmers legend.

Yeah, he had me in Trimmers. Was it Keyshawne? Was it Duke? Cool. We went to go see. You was over at Gintut? Nah, I took you to Wauka Flocka. Yeah.

And Trimmers? Yeah. You did not want my boy to go to the draft. Yeah. He was trying to get you. He put you in the danger zone. No, Shell was in the trenches of Indianapolis. But Butler is right in my ghetto.

So, you know, it was right there. 38th Street. Man, that was so funny about it. Cause when we was at Butler, it was funny to see people come to the school. And you know the pamphlets at Butler don't tell you anything south of 42nd Street. They didn't show you that Butler bubble,

which is a for real bubble out the way. If you didn't know, you wouldn't know. But when my roommate taught me, he walked to that gas station on 38th of Illinois. With the McDonald's? Yes. Trippin'. Yeah, he was trying to get it.

He was trying to get put to sleep. He was trying to make that his last rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was gonna be his last McChicken. Cause I don't know where he was off. Oldster Frienship, but it's so funny, like you said, that Bully Bubble, you safe over there, but outside of that, it get spooky.

So y'all linking up over there was funny. And I was on campus at the time. And I remember him pulling up. Bully PD knew this nigger by heart, but with the cars, man. That was crazy. They really thought you was trapping out there. And Bully people telling on me, he said I was giving them liquor and all kind of stuff.

Like it was crazy. I wasn't even 21 yet for real. But I was over there partying, you know, make sure my guy was straight. Shout out to my dog, Emerson Grant. Just saw Ryan, Ryan, coached it for Atlanta. Shout out to Ryan. Shout out to Coach Norad.

Yeah, shout out to Gordon and my guys. My boy Avery Jukes too, that's my dog too. Me and Avery Jukes used to, well I can't speak too much on that, but my dog. My dog will never show him like Jukester. He'll never know what's going on. No man. We used to have him going on Marie Jukester.

Shout out to my dog Jukester. Jukester. Man, before we talk about the college days, man, we gotta talk about high school. You know what I'm saying? You from Lexington, went crazy in high school, all the time we scored your high school. He the high I'm saying? You from Lexington, went crazy in high school, all the time, we scored your high school. He the high school coach.

How would you feel having to play on your team and score the most buckets in program history? He a gun. I'm a lay with shit, I know he a gun. I ain't no, man. Playing with you, you know, I only had eight minutes to get it out, but I'm seeing Jeff walking down the sideline,

I gotta put this thing up. I'm coming out the game. But no, just being very aggressive, going out there and trying to score. I knew something I had to do to get to the next level, but then playing in NBA, like with Jeff, other good point guards, being a backup for the majority of the time,

you gotta get it in where you can. And I love Jeff, being the starting point guard, one of my good friends, he tell me every time, shoot that thing. Yeah, so. Facts. We gotta talk about that. We gonna go back to the college days, of course,

because you one of the coldest college players of all time. But how did y'all meet? Me and Shel. Yeah. It's cause of B-Hen. So B-Hen, he used to come to Atlanta when I played for the Hawks, Shell was still in college.

And B. Hen would come in like, my nigga Shell will kill you. I'm like, who is Shell? He like, Shell and Mack play for Butler. I'm saying my old. He's talking about that coach. I was like, no, he been college. I was talking about Coach Gray, you saw that too.

I've been going viral the past few weeks. It was like, uh. I swear to you, it bust your ass. Yeah, but you was trying to tell me that like, Butler was good and all this shit. And I'm like, bro, he was better than Wake Forest. Wow, long shot. Y'all just had played in the Horizon League.

They lost to Cleveland, y'all lost to a Horizon League team, Cleveland State. We didn't take that serious. That was our problem. Finish your story. It was Norris Cote. Yeah, it was Norris Cote got him. We ain't taking serious.

Finish your story, Kenny. Finish your story. Listen, it was Norris Cole got him. We ain't taking serious. Finish your story, Kenny. Finish your story. Listen, we was like, shout out to Norris, I fuck with him. But, so he talking crazy. We about to, Shel's getting drafted. We having a pickup game, it was a lockout year. Pro-am baby. So I see Shelvin Mack name on the list,

it's the opposite team team about to play. I marked that. Yeah, he's getting killed today. We in Indianapolis, he don't even know. Yeah, he don't know. He don't know nothing, but he's marked. Soon as he go on the court, I go at him full speed, donkey, I'm talking crazy.

Definitely did. And I'm pointing that B hand like every time, like this. Shel don't know what he talking, what's going on. I'm not talking to him, I'm not trying to be his friend. She don't think he in the charity game. Yeah, I'm not, yeah, I'm not a Pro-Am player. That's you all day right there. But some context for the story.

Getting busy with it. This Pro-Am was like one of the bigger matchups was Indianapolis was what? Goodman, the DC Pro-Am. So you had John Wall, the Marcus cousins, they all came in town. It was an all Indiana scene put together. So it was a really big deal.

If you ever see the highlights, it's crazy as fuck. I'm sure they clip it up. But for being in a line you up like that, and that's the essence of a game, it's crazy. It's very, it's a lockout. I ain't never played in the NBA. I don't know what's going on. I don't know how I'm on the court.

I should watch it in the shot, like, boo! No, everybody was hating on Bully at that time. I hop on the court, I shoot my team a shot, like, boom! No, everybody was hating on Bully at that time, but you cooked me that time. I was just, it wasn't even you, bruh, I was playing B-Hand. I got you back though before. When? Cause when you got the league, I chased you down. You got that block.

You got that. I was like, bruh. He still, it let on. It let on. It never stop until he got on the team. When I got traded to Utah, I gave y'all that work. Ooh. In Utah.

Okay. Are you sure? We talking about when you stumbled? We can pull up the clips. We talking about when you stumbled. Louise. Did I hit the three? I don't remember that.

You gotta pull that out. I don't remember that. No, we got somebody that can pull it up. Y'all gonna pull it up. I'm gonna see all that shit. I made sure remember that. You gotta pull that out. I don't remember that. No, we got somebody that can pull it out. Y'all can pull it out. I made myself stumble. And I shimmy and hit the third of the corner. It's crazy.

I don't remember that. Don't worry, it's over. What's your magic game, Shil? I know, I guess when I first got traded from Atlanta, I was just going hard, same thing. I'm not sure what I had, but I know I played well when I first got traded from Atlanta, I was just going hard, same thing. I'm not sure what I had, but I know I played well when I was playing against my former team. Oh no, I'm not sure.

I just remember when you was starting. I know that was gonna be a drop. When you was starting and I came back, maybe be the next year, because after I killed you, I went to your house and beat you with Madden. Damn. Damn!

I just boy telling how I'm casted. Hey, hey, hey. You get on the mic and he start talking crazy. I was like, damn! What? That is crazy. You gotta watch the behavior. You gotta watch the behavior.

The first time we played y'all, you did hoop though. I remember I was hype. I was like, damn, she'll hoop. Yeah. That's crazy. The second time we played in Utah, because Bud was mad. He was like, you know how he is.

Are you gonna play for real tonight? Cause you're friends on the team. Here we go, bud. He did that to my little brother too. I'll have to say, I'm the reason why they friends today. He the reason me and Sheryl started hanging out. I brought them together. Definitely did.

Y'all welcome, man. We had a lot of great time. A lot of Sprite. I brought them together. Yeah, definitely did. Y'all welcome, man. Had a lot of great time. Lot of Sprite. Dirty Sprite. No, not no. No, no, no. No, no, no. It was just Tequila and Sprite.

We used to talk over the game. For sure, man. Team Dennis was lit. Lit, Team Dennis was lit for sure. Y'all had a hell of a team. But before we get to the NBA draft process, we gotta talk about what you did in college, bro. Like I said, one of the most underrated

college players of all time. I was on campus when y'all went to two back to back national championship games and you was a very big part of that, bro. That's one of the best runs in college basketball history. Which run was crazier, the first one or the second one? To me, I would say the second one. No, the first one was actually like really, really good.

You know, with Gordon on the team, I think we won like 20 games in a row. The second one, snuck in like AC, just thugged it out, know how to win, close games. Shout out to Matt Howard. And we won every game, the second one, by like last second play. Remember the foul I had against Pittsburgh at half court?

It was like one of the worst fouls in NCAA history. Facts, I'll tell you that. Oh, boy, if it was Draft Kings back then, boy, you was selling. He was supposed to be cut off at the double. That was rough. Fouled him, so we won that game. Because Matt Howard got fouled, then also VCU.

Not VCU, Old & Me, you play against Bays, we beat them on the last second shot. Shout out to Kent. Yeah, we just kept winning at the end, just squeaking by, then we got to the championship. It was kind of ugly, as you know. Y'all was tired, bro. Yeah, yeah.

Y'all went up against a really good team, though. It was a bad game, though, I went to that game. Yeah, yeah. That was tough. You went up against a really good team though. It was a bad game, I went to that game. Yeah, it was horrible. It was a long story, ugly game. And to be fair, y'all ran into one of the best runs in basketball here in history. Kimba Walker's run through the Big East, the National, that was one of the best runs

you were ever seeing in basketball. Yes, six games in six days in the Big East and then just willing this team in a tournament. It was special. No, it was definitely special. What was the old boy named White Skin? Shabazz. No, no, no, the other one.

Jeremy Lam. Jeremy Lam. Wow. Yeah, he was nice. He was special, for sure. That's the reason why y'all lost. He was cold. Shell run that butler though,

it was really unbelievable though. Like, bring that little school from Indianapolis to have them nation wide. But the most fun was like playing here at Lucas Oil for the championship. And that was crazy. That, I was there, that due game was one of the craziest games ever.

I said thanks to all the new fans and they didn't say a fucking word until that shot missed off the bank, off the rim, bro. That was a really good game. And I still hate Kyle Singer to this day because of that game. Kyle Singer has never played, I mean, Kyle Singer was cold. Don't get it fucked up.

Obviously made it to the league. But that was the best game I've ever seen him play in his life. He hit every elbow jump shot that game, bro. Yeah, they had a great game plan. I don't know if you like game plan and like it, but they had only team that forced Gordon to go right and took the hair to go right for their last shot

and missed it. No, it did a good job. It was a hell of a run, hell of a game. One thing I do remember, Coach Stevens had us going to class on championship Monday at 10 a.m. Wow. Out of pocket, coach. Yeah, talk to him, man. at 10 a.m. Wow. Out of pocket, coach.

Yeah, talk to him, man. Out of pocket. That's why y'all lost. You mightn't go to class. Wake force? Wouldn't happen. We didn't go to class on Monday. We just had Monday.

Championship Monday. Championship Monday. You ain't going for the show, huh? What? That was a class? That's crazy. We went to class. Everyone did. We had a shuttle going back and forth. And y'all was downtown at a hotel. Y'all weren't even on campus. I remember that. That's crazy.

I would definitely not went to class. What? I'm sure Brad learned from that. Yeah. He learned from that. Did y'all do anything the next year? We was in, what's the name? We was in Houston.

I mean, did y'all have like, study hall and stuff? Nah, at Butler, no. Oh, you learned. I was hoping y'all ain't taking study hall. We recruited the right people, you don't have to do all that stuff. Take care of your business. Y'all didn't have study hall at Butler? Nah.

Oh, yeah, you didn't go to school for real. Nah, we did our work, man. Nah, he's saying they didn't have to have study hall. Why you have study hall? Because- I had a 3.2 in college, I still have study hall. You had to get enough hours. That's crazy.

You had to have like eight hours a week. Like mandatory, you don't care if you have straight A's or not. I ain't know that. You finished your degree? Boy, now I went to the NBA. What was the nigga say? Now you in my business.

I didn't see y'all about some more years. I just finished mine up, that's why I was there. I'll salute, salute. It took me 10 years to do it, but I got it done. Let's see, Bully, let's try to go back for free? NBA. Oh, y'all should have did that route too. Cause Bully charged y'all.

Yeah. That's what I- What? That's what WayForrest does. Bullah owe you reparations. Private schools, bro. Hey, I don't know what that's about. I don't mean Way don't owe him nothing.

Bullah, Bullah owe you a lot of chicken. They owe you reparations. Because I was in class. For real, bro. I was a student there, and I remember tuition going up 10 grand each year that we went to the national championship. Yeah, that's about right.

I should have did the, I can still do that route, but the way this podcast set up, and screw, I don't really know, man. I don't really know. They brought a lot out of pocket, bro. Y'all brought a lot to that program, bro. All of y'all. Nah, for real though.

That shit ain't going. Y'all should have got honorary degrees. But Grant, the new AD, Grant Lindecker, came in and helped me out. Okay. That's my down. That shit do. There we go.

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And our first summer, they told me to pay away for it. It was 17,000. I said, Yeah, I was just not going back to school. And our first summer, they told me to pay away for it. It was 17,000. I said, yeah, I'll just not going back to school. I tried to transfer to IUPUI. Wait, wait, wait. I swear to God, I tried to transfer to IUPUI. They probably treated him like every scholar, bro.

That was like, some of my credits wouldn't transfer there. They was like, you're going to be a freshman. I'm like, damn. I'm like, what classes was I taking? That's crazy. But obviously, man, your college crew was insane. Yeah. Declared for the drive. How was that process?

I know you probably had to do a lot of workouts. How was that? Yeah, mine was completely different than Jeff. Jeff going lottery. Going lottery? I had a workout down there. It completely different than Jeff. Jeff going lottery. I didn't go lottery. I had to work out down there. It was better than me. I had to work out for like 20 teams.

My class was like loaded, I would say. Hella dry. Who was your class? Kyrie, Clay, Kawhi, Jimmy Bala, Norris. Yeah, fuck. Kimba. Kimba. Cardiac. Yeah,ba, the Morris twins, it was stacked. That was legit. You had a lot of selling. Isaiah Thomas, he was the best.

So like, we all just had a beller out throughout the Noir and the Convo, especially coming from Butler. No, we went to NASA Championship, but we didn't play a lot of projections. We played a certain style so people couldn't really see how it was. And no, everybody was like,

I was fat too, better go in and show my body, y'all. Oh, that's crazy. Pause. That sound like a slave. That's a diddy workout. Nah, nah, nah, nah. It sound like a slave trade, bro. Come on, bro.

Nah, it's just, you know, we had the baggy clothes and all that. Push up, push up. I mean, a slave trade, bro. Come on, bro. Nah, it's just, you know, we had the baggy clothes and all. Push up, push up. I mean, when Nike elite, part of how Wake Forest was, that stuff was a little baggy, so. Y'all was better Nike school than us, so. I mean, we was a test Nike school, so I apologize. Yo, remember that?

I got the mbola jersey, the ring, my neck beat down here like this? Yeah. It was nasty. That's crazy. Y'all didn't, Mike Green wore them jerseys, the ring, my neck beat down here like this. It was nasty. That's crazy. Y'all didn't, Mike Green wore them jerseys. That's his name, right? Yeah.

Y'all had the same jerseys. I remember, yeah. I remember, yeah. So. But you get drafted by DC, and you was at DC at a really good time. I mean, you know what I'm saying? You had that for DC.

Oh, come out. Talk about what? Good time for DC. It may not be the best for you. It was a good time for DC to have the rebuild mode getting to it. It was a, it was more than a rebuild mode. First year lockout year started off, oh and 18.

Yeah. Rough. So, I don't know what to say. It was a good time. You should tell people how the lockout work. Like as a young guy that was getting drafted, you got no money and you get drafted to the NBA and now you gotta figure it out for what?

Three, four months? It was like four or five months. I was still here in Indy working out, trying to get my degree and then got thrown at, Hibachi with him, the program and the league. But it's real tough. You gotta stay ready to never know what's gonna happen. And, you know, you just gotta be up

and ready to move in a second. But when I got there, team was kinda, wasn't the best team ever put together. I can say that. And I just kinda had to figure out how to fly some great vests that kept me together. Cause the team, I'm telling you, the team was like, wow. Started off 0-18 and then we was playing Philly

cause the lockout was very close. We was playing Philly like every other week, three times when they had Lou, El and Drew, Dre. It was just, wasn't a good match up for us. Yeah. Damn. You had some good nights in DC though. Definitely had some good nights.

You know, as a rookie going in, I'm pretty sure y'all heard some stories, especially about that team. I'll leave it at that. Who was y'all vets on that team? On that team, so I had Roger Mason and also Rashad Lewis. Okay, Rashad the Coach Lou.

And Mo Evans, you play with Mo. I play with Mo. So they took me on if they win, and let me understand and say how the NBA works. Like continue to work, be a good pro. Crazy thing, all of them second round picks too. Like Rashad, I would say Mace was, and just Grinded. So it was there to help me out a lot.

The show, now obviously- Did you like that team? What, that Washington team? Yeah, it was put together? Nah, y'all definitely needed a lot of work, you know what I'm saying? But it was just a crazy ass team. I just wanted you to bring it up,

because I remember y'all had a crazy streak, man. That's a crazy way to get into the NBA. Yeah, it was, I went 18. Flip Saunders was a coach, he got fired. We tell a lot of young guys, try and figure it out. Now you go from the first bench to the Washington. What's the next team you went to right after that? I went to the main red claws.

Mm-hmm. I had to go back to the G League drawing board, work it out. Killed there though. Yeah. Crazy. I was putting up some good numbers, playing in the Doc River system.

That's when he was in Boston. So I was basically putting up the same numbers like Rondo. I mean Rondo was in like 2015 and 18. Yeah. I was basically putting up the same numbers like Rondo. I mean Rondo was like 20, 15 and 18. I was more of a scorer so I was getting like 30, 10 and 12. Tell me how a lot. I actually did two 10 days with Philly. Then I ended up going to Atlanta, niggin' up with this guy.

Yes sir. We hang out for the next three, four years, I would say. Yeah. I remember the first day you years, I would say. Yeah. I remember the first day you came, I was like, okay, like, I don't fuck with him. Like, you know, me and my head like, oh, he coming to the stage, like, he about to play, he ain't about to play. Like, that's what my mindset was. Then when I got to knowing him, it was like, I mean, he cool as hell.

And I wanted to do everything I could to like help him. I wanted to see him kill. And we had like a group hate. You gonna throw me in your ass? Nah, nah, nah, nah. We just bonded over some things. So it was like cool. It was me, you and a lot of other people.

It felt the same way. We just bonded. He said, okay. Yeah, we had a group hate. So it was like, all right. Hold on, was Shell on that little Giants run? Yeah. Oh, okay.

Shell was the, what'd you call it? The little Giants run. That's how I had that team on T-Ball run in the league. That's how you got it. We won 20 games in a row. Four All-Stars, yeah, I was on that team. Yeah, okay. That was fun, we had a lot of fun.

It's too much fun. I remember when Shell, I was on that team. Yeah, okay. That was fun, we had a lot of fun. It's too much fun. I remember when Shell, I was like, Shell about to get paid, we played in the playoffs against the Pacers, and I didn't get to sub back in the game cause Shell and Michael was hoopin'. I was like, damn, they killin'. We went back home for game six and I smoked it.

Shit. Not bad, bro, I let you down, bro. Y'all won game five for us. I went home and smoked it. It was the A1 matchup, we supposed to win that. Yeah, we supposed to win that, I smoked that one. I did y'all job bro, you and Mike was clowning that game. But that team was so special just cause everyone like

got along off the court. Yeah. You know we had the real ones in the front playing bull, right? You had the other ones in the back playing. Uno right? You had the other ones in the back playing. Uno. What were you at, Joe? I was playing Uno. Ah, man.

I was playing Uno. I'm broin' the Uno cards. Probably Uno cards. When I was a great team just hanging out with everybody. You went to the Atlanta guy. I mean, you went to the Atlanta guy, settled, for real. Got you a crib and everything. I knew he was, once you bought that crib, I'm like,

yeah, he like, he love a letter. He ain't going nowhere. He like that. I'm still there to this day. Tapped in with the city. Now I got a lot of love there. Like, it's a special place in my heart. Yeah.

Sure, mine's too. For different reasons. Nah, I mean, I grew up there. I went from a little kid to a shit man in Atlanta. So that's all, it got a special place for me. I met some long lasting friendships there. Shea, do you think that team could have won the championship if LeBron wasn't in the East?

Hell yeah. Yeah, if LeBron wasn't in the East, y'all could have won the shit. We beat everybody else. Who would y'all face in the finals? Golden State. Nah, they wouldn't like that yet. They wouldn't like that yet.

What was that, the 42 dubs? What was that? Go on stage Y'all beating that scene fuck no, I wouldn't know that what they wouldn't them yet They were still like I didn't want it the year to be there though, didn't know they lost to go on stage I remember everybody was hurt. and Kyrie hurt his knee. Yeah, all right. Yeah, so what make you think y'all was going in? What did you just say? Everybody was hurt. When they full team, they full roster.

I know, but that's LeBron and them, not y'all. Like, whoa, what, what? You ain't like our four all-stars? All right, let's mash it up. Let's have fun. You ain't like our four all-stars? Let's have fun, that's what we here for. They just wasn't them.

They wasn't them yet. Jeff definitely supposed to be an all-star. Al for sure supposed to be an all-star. PM for sure. Now who else? Who are you citing? Now, Freaky Cal, Pooh. I ain't mad at it.

You went on the run. You helped him. Jeff say you the real AVP of the team. I didn't play in the NBA. Take your 26 All-Star Jersey, run with it bro. I get it. But when we get to the finals, 4-1 bro.

That's nasty work right there. Sean Lipston, Harrison Barnes, Andre Iguodala, Stefan Curry. Yeah. He was on, yeah. Dre Mon Green. It's Christmas, yeah. But shit, we played them.

We went one, it was even. We beat them in Atlanta, they beat us in Colesac. Fair enough, bro. Y'all beat a lot of teams. You got a great memory, man. Y'all won 61 games that year. I had a good game. I remember my good game. You got a great memory, man. Y'all won 21 games in a year. I had a good game. I remember my good game.

You talking stuff? I was like, exactly how he said it. Motherfuckin' sir, get the reports. He definitely had like 35, but we beat him. I had a good game. Y'all had a good team, bro. Y'all really did, bro. I just don't know.

We just matched up because we switched one through five. Do you think we would get to the finals if LeBron wasn't playing? Oh, I mean look, that run was bad as cool, bro. That Jeremy Lynn run, that was getting there for sure. The thing about LeBron, we just didn't have nobody to match up with Bron. No facts.

So Golden State, this was before they found all their superpowers. Like only- They got there, they did it as a all. Yeah, only Steph really had his superpowers. Like only. They got there, they did it as a all. Yeah, only Steph. Only Steph really had his superpowers. And then it took off to a whole nother level. Yeah, Steph had his superpowers,

Clay was coming into this. Everybody else was still, they wasn't all the way there yet. We matched up cool with them because we could switch one through five with them. We couldn't switch with Brian. Like, I can't switch on Brian, man. It's fucking Christmas.

Yeah, I just think Sean Lipson would have been the X Factor bro. Oh we smooth, we had Shayo, we straight. You could have posted big check it. I love Shayo, but Sean Lipson 6'7", we shooting right over him, we living with the mid range, he gonna knock him in too. Yeah, we shooting threes, we started that three point shit.

Oh man. Oh shit, the five man shooting threes, that was us. That was out on the pocket pass. He had some teeth. When he held that thing like that. It's a perro. Him and Perro started that three point shooting. Green, bro.

Shout out to that Len Hawks, bros, at 14. Shout out to my guys, man. I give us some luck. That was actually a really fun time, because also the music was just popping. Crazy at that time. Nah, for sure. That's why I wanted to ask y'all. I mean, also music was just popping crazy at that time. That's what I wanted to ask y'all. I mean, that room was crazy,

but at the same time when y'all was in Atlanta, like the new wave of Atlanta artists is going crazy. You got Future reaching his pinnacle. You got Migos coming out. Like y'all got to see them early on. How was that? Cause I imagine, shit, we already know how Atlanta went. Off the court was probably way better

than on the court at that time period. Cause they had bankroll fresh, everybody was getting their run at that time. Sheil wasn't really outside. I was outside. Yeah, I'm showing you, what was your reaction? I wasn't, I'm on 10 days, and not guaranteed. He wasn't outside.

He's not like this. I'm like that. He wasn't outside, I was outside. Crazy thing, yes. I'm real good friends with 2 Chainz. With K.Y., my dude does his engineering. So the first day, Bud got the job, me and Chainz is in the front,

the ceiling in the back, working out. Bud come in, he don't know anything about the hip hop scene, music. Chainz hit it down, it's like, I'm still on my 10 day, not guaranteed term. He's like, hey man, you gotta do this, cut all these people up. And it's like my home,

he think it's like my homeboy telling this. It's like, who the hell is this? I'm like, you about to be out of here. Like, who is this telling me all of this? All right, so I had a good chance. Hey bro, you got, you got shit. Like he don't know who you are. Hey, don't mess my stuff, man.

I know you're on the College Park sky hop. I ain't trying to go to them right now, man. Trez, I'm a fuck up the flag. I'm a fuck up the flag. It's true. And I'm just, it's funny because I can imagine Buzz Fakes like not giving an entire fuck for you. You probably had some marker right here and shit.

He already telling them cut people on rookie deal on the 10 day. I wish I could see his face though. Imagine coming in like you don't know who this dude is. No, we just walk in and we just hanging out. It's showing homeboy serious. Bud funny as hell. So he probably like, he probably had that.

What the fuck? He definitely had that. He was like, what the fuck? Who the fuck Shelby think he is? Get this guy the fuck out of here. But Shel had it. Shel was that birthday bash and shit. He wasn't all the way inside. When I say inside, I mean like Shel, when he got established in Atlanta, you know, he

had a family. So he wouldn't go out with us. I'd be like, Shel, you coming out? He'd be like, nah, player. Nah, I'd be going back to the arena. Every time I go back to the arena, we kind of live in the same spot, same area. Me driving.

What'd you see, Chef? I look over, I see a red Camaro. I keep on going. What a red Camaro, Asher. going. What a red Camaro at you. I ain't gonna say all that. You're not gonna say nothing to my letter? I'm with that D.O.A. I have my jersey hanging up to me.

Anytime, in the can, alright? Alright, that's a wild boy. That's a crazy after party. He's just going all the way down. I see chicken got chicken bro. You gotta see chicken wings bro. Yeah, cause you know after like sometimes you don't play a lot. Like in the league you go upstairs and work out after the game. So I go up there and get my workout in.

He didn't play 30 minutes, he out, he gone. I'm driving home, just at the light. You smell the chicken wings from the street bro. Oh fuck. Y'all crazy. That's 40 as hell, man. That was my spot, though. Obviously, Atlanta was very well for you.

Established yourself as a player in this league. Then you get a chance to go to a different situation to get some more minutes. How was that going to Utah for you, career-wise? It was great. Obviously, just having a relationship with Quim. How was that going to Utah for you, career-wise? It was great. I was just having a relationship with Quim. He was part of the staff in Atlanta. So he kinda knew my skill sets and know what I was capable of doing.

Then there's also just having opportunities going and just like play right away and start. It's been a great team in Atlanta. Y'all was having a lot of good players. Know Jeff's a good player. Didn't lost yet. Didn't show there at the time. So it's kind of tough to get minutes consistently. There's got to be a pro be ready. But also want to appreciate the line and but for allowing me to go could be

selfish. No, just having me sitting there because you just never know somebody can get hurt or any situation but they allow me to move on and develop my game. That's fire. And it's not too, you don't see, it's not too common to see organizations do right by people. And when they do sometimes, they may be handpicking with that. But for them to show you love like that, to put your situation, you can actually play as fire.

Like you said, yesterday, our first time going back at each other, you know what I'm saying? Was he got to Utah, their first game. I was so happy for him, man. To see him get a chance to be the starter, do his thing. He had a good game against us, but I think we probably won though.

We won? I can't remember. It don't matter, when you kill, you don't even give a fuck you want to lose sometime. I ain't gonna hold you. But, it's real shit. He be like, shit, I killed y'all though. Yeah.

So he probably had a good game, I can't remember. No, if I get eight, I'm killin'. Oh, he got eight? Oh, shit killed y'all though. So he probably had a good game, I can't remember. No, if I get eight, I'm killing. Oh, he had eight? Oh shit. He going to kill him? What happened? What happened? What happened?

No, it was transition. I can't start on the first day of getting there. We played y'all like right away right after that. Yeah, you did. Oh, yeah, you did get traded and play right away. Yeah, you right, you did. I was a crazy part. I was in practice.

I couldn't get no raps the day before. You know, Jeff don't like practice. Jeff like, come get me. I'm like, brother, now let me in. Yeah. Listen, kids, I love practicing. Wow. Listen, Coach T.

Coach T love practicing. But that was a good way. Jeff would let me get out there and like play. Yeah. And like work on my shit. I'm like, shit, go ahead and kill them. Yeah. Wait, I'm like, come get me. I'm like, shit, go ahead and kill them. Yeah.

OK, I'm like, come get me. I'm like, bro, I can't. They ain't letting me out there. Damn. Damn. It was like, hey, sit here on the side with me. What's your name? Yeah, hey.

Came off the bench. Who was starting it, then? Hey, man, quit asking all them questions. Who was the foreigner? White skin, buddy. Dante. Oh, what. Dante Axel? Might have been Dante. Yeah, I'm a creature.

You don't even have minutes? You've been playing the whole game, sure. I ain't even had it. He let me, I got the, what was my shooting percentage? He had to be three for 16. Damn, I probably, I definitely gave myself a chance. Get the FGA's up. I had to, I gave myself a chance. I gave myself a chance.

Hopefully my dog have like ten assists. Nah, he had Rudy. Damn. Shit had Rudy when he was weak too. He had real Rudy. It just changed. It was crazy. While you was in Utah, you played in one of the most important games in basketball history,

man. Kobe's final game. How was that atmosphere building up today and how was it to play in that game? Because everybody in the world wanted y'all to lose that game. And y'all were still like, I know y'all was right out of playoff implications, but y'all wouldn't try

and let Kobe win that game either. Yeah, it was like, we had to wait till like halftime to see if we was gonna make the playoffs. We was trying to win. A lot of people get it confused that like, we was letting Kobe do all that. Kobe also shot 50 times. Not hard to shoot 50 shots in one basketball game.

That's nuts. If there's anybody I know who would do it. Yeah. Let's see y'all. Nah, but the atmosphere was crazy. Like the president was there. We'd come in, you know how you go down the tunnel, the state was standing there.

Everybody out there with AKs,.42s. Damn. No, Secret Service, it was amazing. Kanye, Jay-Z, all these people sitting like second row. But if you go back and watch the tape, I had zero at that 60. We didn't get scored on at all. Like, go pull it up.

No, you living and dying by that, that's his first thing. I ain't get any of that. He was a part of that shit. No, that's one of my favorite players, Kobe's my favorite player. Yeah, for sure. But I didn't get any of that. He was a part of that shit. No, that's one of my favorite players. Kobe's my favorite player. Yeah, that's for sure. But I didn't get any of that. You didn't switch on him.

Hey, Kobe. But they was. Luis. They gonna pull it up. But the way they was letting Julius Randall set them screens, outrageous. Had to get Kobe open, bro. But Kobe, it was just different.

No matter what he did, everybody would cry like, ah, ooh, this turn, it's a work game kinda playing. It was the last who ride, what he ended with? 62. 50 shots. That's the way to go out, boy. I swear. For sure.

50 shots. I don't see nobody else shooting that many times. And a crazy one. And a crazy one. And a crazy one. My last game, I did touch the floor. Well it wasn't about you Big Tell. It was.

I see the 50 piece though. You know what I'm saying? The crazy part, like pre-game, Lou was on the team, Lou was like, he about to shoot 50 times. I'm like, he ain't about to shoot 50 shots. Came out there and did it. Like every time somebody wide open just swing it at him, Like pregame, Lou was on the team. Lou was like, he about to shoot 50 times. I'm like, he ain't about to shoot 50 shots. Came out there and did it. Like every time somebody wide open,

just swing it at him, let him go. And the crazy part, he started off super, super slow. And then like started making like eight baskets in a row. And there's the whole stadium just rooting for him. Like you foul him, like you foul him, like take the side out, everybody booing, boo. So it was a little different. It had to be an amazing atmosphere though.

Yeah, I was gonna say, I couldn't imagine playing in a game like that. I would've loved to have been in that game. What would you have done? I would've been trying to go at him. Yeah. I would've been trying to guard him. I would've been extra as hell.

You could've put your name off that too. Yeah, for real. I would've been talking shit. That wouldn't have worked, man. I thought nothing was gonna work, but he was gonna get them points, whatever. But it was special. I would have been Dillon Brooks.

That's like I said, my favorite player all the time. You said you'd be Dillon Brooks. I would have been Dillon Brooks. I would have been like, Kobe's not that good. He shot 50 songs. I would have said something wild. He said he wanted people to do that though. He didn't want people to, you know,

let him do nothing, go crazy like it's a regular day. He worked for it. Nothing ain't easy. I'll say that. But I'm saying like talk shit like Jeff would have been like, come on, say it. You got the Kobe's from that day? Hell yeah, I got them.

You got the mama days? I actually got them. He was able to sign them for me. Oh, he signed them? Damn. Shit, that's lit. Damn. I should have played in them, but I didn't. I got them, the only thing I got signed from Kobe was,

he signed a card. Yeah, so I always did it, I was, I wore Kobe's all the time. Whenever we played in him, I wasn't wearing a shoe. I can't be on the court looking like that. Yeah, what about you? I ain't hooping Kobe's to the end. I know you had the Ditas all the way. Yeah, I was a Dita, so I ain't hooping Kobe's

to the end, really. I was hooping the Jordan 10s. I know you had Adidas all the way. Yeah, I was Adidas, so I ain't hooping Kobe's to the end, really. I was hooping the Jordan 10s. I was trying to get something by Team Jordan. It didn't work. Damn. Joe didn't put in a cowboy? Joe ain't fuck with me like that. He don't even fuck with me at the club.

Off the court. T, you got them hoes? I go. First with it. Play roll. That's crazy. Because you was almost team LeBron, too. I used to wear LeBron's, too. He wasn't fucking with me either.

He go sign with Rich. I was like, damn, I can't do it. It's quite not that hard, damn. I should have. Damn, fuck that up. Shout out to JR. Yeah, shout out to the have. Damn. Fuck that up. Shout out to JR. Shout out to the guy. JR.

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What you got going on right now, man? Right now, I'm a college basketball, CBS sports analyst. Yes, I heard. And also working in the front office with the NBA team, doing some pro scouting, trying to find some talent. No, hanging out with the family and kids. Got a good life, blessed life. The crazy part is playing multiple teams.

Meet a lot of people, have a lot of connections and there's no pen out for me now as I make this transition of being a retired player. I was gonna ask about that even with Jeff. You guys always have good rapport with different people and people don't understand that the NBA fraternity is different. Once you in, you can really be there for life

if you got a good rapport. And it's dope to see the network and the stuff of how it works. But now it's interesting because, like we said, Butler definitely all you reparations with the NIL shit going on. Back to back championships, bro. Yeah, I had dinner with Brad last night.

I told him, same time I would not been at Butler the following year. Yeah. Out, transfer reporter. Transfer reporter. Sure Butler the following year. Out! Transfer portal. I transferred. For sure, bro. Easy on him. For sure.

That bag would have been retarded. You would have got a mil or something. Yeah, so easy. About 1.5. It's definitely different around here. How was that taken in, I wonder, as you're scouting, you know what I'm saying, you look at the different kids and stuff going on that could potentially be pros.

Is that playing a factor in it? How they handle that NIL at all? I mean, I don't know if that playing a factor in it? Like how they handle the NIAO at all? I mean, I don't know if that's not being pocket watching, but just like the mannerisms, because that does need a different aspect of recruiting with people. For me, not really. No, at this side, you're not really dealing with that.

It's more like an agent of somebody else. I got you. But it's a lot of people who's very good, know playing basketball. So a lot of stuff like off the court that stops them from getting to the next level, like Intel, they might be hanging out with a B-Hand all the time.

Being the wrong spot, wrong time. Red flag, red flag. Red flag right there, right there. Now that's my guy. But look for stuff like that, because you know, once you able to get somebody a lot of money, a lot of access, you just don't know how they're gonna act. Basketball is like a

small piece there's no more about your character and no men are gonna be a great teammate that's the hardest thing. NBA everyone average 20 points at some point in time you're gonna go there and you might have to be a cheerleader for a few for a few games and just see how you respond or you're gonna be mad at the coach or the assistant coach or the ball boy who has nothing to do with this? Like you gonna take it out on now? No, it's not the kind of people that you wanna work with on a day-to-day basis.

For sure. How do you like commentating though? You see yourself doing that for a long time. I enjoy doing it. Get to watch a lot of basketball, stay around the game. It's a little different doing college instead of pros. Cause you're not trying to talk bad about, you know, anyone's like son.

No, everyone's trying to work and continue to get better. I would love to call some games. See how it sound at the arena. What a good, just keeping me all around and staying in touch with everybody. Cool. So, man, March Madness is still one of the craziest fucking basketball situations of all time.

Obviously, we do have an experience in that. Do you think it's different now with the game as far as like, like March Madness? Because we don't even have too many college players and we get excited about it anymore. It's like we skipped every so often, but back in y'all's days, it was every year, every team, like not every team, but you had marquee teams

and matchups every single year. It's like totally different now. How do you stay in tech with them? Or like, do you even get excited for that type of stuff? I know obviously what you work and you locked in with it, but is it even the same atmosphere like being removed from it? When you ever to go to the game, you still able to feel it.

Cause it's like, say here in Indiana, like IU Purdue, no matter who's playing, you can just go to the game and kind of feel the energy. It's hard to keep up with it over the transfer portal. People just being able to just go. That makes sense. School for school. So, you know, sometimes I get lost on it

with the players transferring. Then also, you know, the sixth year kind of threw everything off. That COVID year. Yeah. So once all of that stuff settle in, people can start no tapping back in with their favorite players. And hopefully we get some loyalty coming in soon with all of this, but I don't see how long, how much longer this NIL stuff can work.

How do you feel about brother moving to the Big East? I think it's a great move. He had some good years. Coach LaValle was coaching top 10 in the country. All that right now some downtime, good years when Coach LaValle was coaching top 10 in the country. Right now some downtime. But can't really say it's downtime. When they got the two national champs over the past few years, back to back, knowing the conference. It's a tough conference. I think it's one of the best conference. Better than the ACC, you ask me.

Cap. Ooh. Cap. Big East ACC? I don't know. Big East ACC? I don't know, but y'all. Oh, that's tough. Top heavy. Who you like in the ACC? I'm biased, I'm gonna go to ACC. But if you going with UConn against a board, then you definitely gotta go to UConn. We're like consistently like Marquette, Villanova.

They've been good. Craydon. For sure. They've been good. I don't know about Craydon. Craydon's been good. Sheel's talking about like 20 win teams. Oh, no, no, that's a total haul for sure. Yeah.'t know about Creighton. Sheel talking about like 20 win teams. Oh no, no, as a total hall for sure.

They got an overall better joint. Yeah, they got a right now but. In the tournament, I fear a couple of them ACC teams a little bit more. I like Duke, I like Carolina. All right. I like Wake Forest. You said Wake?

Yeah, I like Florida State. I like Miami a lot. Quiet. Miami good. Miami good. Shout out to Nigel. They okay, but they ain't, they not better than another biggie school.

They were good, but like Miami was good, cause like you talking about Nigel Pack getting the transfer in. Yes sir, Nuk Town. Like you need that to be like at that high level. Yeah, NC State. I meant to see how Duke is gonna be this year with us having all those freshmen coming in and playing.

Oh, they're gonna, I think they gonna smack shit. They're about to smack shit. They so? Cooper Flagg is the one. He's the one. If they let him cook the right, he's the one, bro. Isaiah Evans is pretty good too, he's from the down south. No, they got a whip too.

He ain't a one man band by any means, they got a whip. That's why I didn't understand why he was talking about them transfering. He was like, everybody who transferred was tampered with. I'm like, that's crazy, bro. He the best player in college basketball. No. Cooper? Yeah. No.

I gotta see. Right now, even though, even though those people are aging there right now, he's still better than all of them. He's the best prospect. Yeah, he the best prospect. Playing college basketball is like, different. Like we see Oscar Shihwe 20 and 20

and then go to the next step and play for the Pacers. It's kind of hard for them to get out there and contribute and play at a high level. But Cooper, Cooper Flags path is different. Yeah, he gonna be the best prospect. Yeah, it's definitely different. But what I'm saying, like it's different, but Oscar, also Shihwe is player of the year.

Like I don't think Cooper gonna get player of the year. Yeah. Nah, he probably won't get to analyze it. He gonna get the number one pick. Cooper gonna average like nine. Hell no. Nine voices. You gotta get more than that. Bro, you know how it goes.

I'd say between like nine and 14. That's a big gap. He's not, well, it's not gonna be 20. Nah, it ain't gonna be 20. It'd be 13, 14. And he going in there with a whole bunch of other fresh. He going in with a whip. Yeah, they all trying to get that.

They all think they about to get a number two pick. Like, are you one? I know I'm about to be two. We had this clip, it's okay. All right. Cooper player of the year, Duke national champion. Think about how old dude was at Carolina. What's his name, Babcock?

Babcock, for sure, was in training. It's his name, Babcock? Babcock for sure was in the dress. It's three ball the players out. They not going, bro. 24 and up for sure. Who older him, or old boy from Kansas? Actually, what's his name for ACC player of the year? The kid from Notre Dame, the guard. Oh yeah, he nice.

Marcus from Indiana. Johnson, South Indiana. Great basketball player. Cole, great basketball player. Yeah. Cole. Cooper Flags. I'm Cole. The great white hope is on the way. Man, I gotta ask, man.

Y'all I'm saying off the court. I know how y'all went on the court. How was like y'all kicking it off the court? Y'all talk about them tequila and sprites, man. How y'all get locked in like that? I think it was more just like us loving the game. Like we would talk about basketball off the court. Y'all talk about them tequila and sprites, man. How y'all get locked in like that? I think it was more just like us loving the game. Like we would talk about basketball off the court. So we'd be like, man, how can we get better looking at stats, watching games?

Like this is all I gotta do to, me and Shell was barely by the numbers. I can average 12 points to the game right here. That'd give me six million a year. Like we was like that. Like we was just trying to map the game out here. That'll give me six million a year. Like we was like that. Like we was just trying to map the game out, but we enjoyed playing. So we had talked about the game.

Then we just kick it, bro. He was just cool. We talk about, we still talk about playing Madden and stuff like that. NCAA football just came out. He never was really that good at video games, but he always wanted to play. I'm top, top of the country.

Shit. Ain't that? He ain't it. He wanted to play. I'm top, top in the country. He ain't, he ain't, he ain't shell. I'm in the game. All right, I'm trying to tell you. Also, I think I was forced to go to team dinner all the time, made us both. After every, every road game, we go to team dinner, we sitting there for three or four hours, just sitting there hanging out, talking.

No, obviously having Hendrick is a connection. He was able to relate on a lot of different things. Do people know anything about your wrestling fetish? Yeah, everybody know I love wrestling. That's pause. Fetish is crazy. Everybody know I love wrestling. My man watching 1976 wrestling matches, what's that? I guess that's a fetish. Two month old swagger.

That'll turn me on. Fetish is a wild word. That'll turn me on. He's a fan of wrestling, bro. I don't know why he said fetish, but everybody know I like wrestling. See, big show, and then we're fucking One Piece. You got him back.

He was quiet, bro. He was a dead cat. You got him back. He was quiet, bro. He was a dead cat. In 1976, though, on the iPad, I'm like, bro, what you got going on? You're traveling, bro. I just like wrestling, bro. But you know what? Something else we relate to?

We cheat. Whoa. No. We cheat. Whoa. No, we cheap. What you talking about? Cubs, that's why we was going to the team dinner so long. We cheap, cheap. I'm cheap. I ain't gotta watch him, bruh.

They used to be in the whole team. No, we both cheap, bro. We don't wanna spend much time. Say that B, bro. You ain't from Chicago, say that B. Man, look at him, bruh. He trying to get you caught up or something. I know, I got why.

He was confused too. Nah, cheap. Like we all use the money, we cheap. Frugal, here we go. Frugal to be impressed. Cause that's how we used to go to them team dinners. We like, oh, he about to pay for us to eat again? Yeah, we all eat free.

Yeah, what? Tequila on him? Oh shit, why? Jeff getting all the 1942 he can get. For sure. My bill used to be 1500 along. Damn. Who's paying for the scene dinner?

Bud. Damn. I was racking up. I was taking stuff back to the room. I was acting like B-Head on a ballon tap. Wow. That's how you be doing it? Yes. I was like, wow. That's how you be doing it. Yes.

He gets a go play everywhere he goes. He get two to go. Two to go. I knew that was going to happen. With a volume. That nigga, you look at the bill. He just take his bags and leave. Mike be like.

Mike left over here too. And he Mike left over. Yeah, he can swipe that American Express. Fuck out of here. What's wrong with him, man? They try to get people jammed up. We definitely cheap, I would say. Yeah, we cheap.

We trying to go to get a section for $1,000. We like, who else come? That's nasty. I got $, who else coming? Oh, that's nasty. I got 250 on it. Straight up. We was like, Paul, you good? And Paul be like, what? You the most money man.

And that was in the league for the hell of a rack. That's how they was, bro. You're getting a bottle. Bottle 300. I got 25. Being here with Demare, we all break it up, bro? You getting a bottle? Bottle 300. I got 25. Be him tomorrow. We all break it up, baby. We'll break it all up. All right, we was smart, man.

Trying to be. That's funny, man. He's a hoe, man. I can't believe that nigga over there. I'll wrap it up. Oh, man. Hey, man, it's been real shit. Family at the park, man.

We got to have you back, man. It's always a good time when you in the building, man. You know what we need him for? He got to be our college basketball host for the morning show. Come on, man. The morning show? We got a morning show coming.

It's on the way, bro. It's on the way. We need to call you for the college basketball updates, man. On the zone. I'm definitely with that. Yeah, we need that. On the zone. Come on, man.

Come to 520. You already game, bro. You already know. Yeah, you know, you feel me. You got to represent for Butler a little bit more. Nah, man. I didn't graduate from here, so shout out to the Louv. Hey.

You didn't graduate from there? Nope. I just graduated from there. He's lost flag. No, I'm talking about him. He claim a Louisville. He got the bird on him. He's lost flag. Nah, I'm talking about him. He claiming Louisville. He got the bird on him.

Not the bird man. He's got a tetramid. He's got disrespect to the book. He's fucking flagging, bruh. Your card, your little card. Yeah, my family, all from there. So yeah, we locked in for sure. Deep in the rat.

But look, man, you're not going to see this face. Did you graduate from there or what? I didn't go there, my nigga. My whole family's from there. My family's all locked in Louisville. Got you, got you. One time for the one time. I ain't even going to be there.

I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be I didn't go there, my nigga. My whole family's from there. My family's all like them Louisville. Gotcha, gotcha. One time for the one time. Hey man, you'll see Show back soon. We set it on wax.

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