Club Shay Shay - Club 520 - Stephen Jackson on NBA Finals win with Spurs, CRAZY NBA stories, starting All The Smoke

Episode Date: November 11, 2024

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 6 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Stephen Jackson to tell CRAZY stories about playing in the NBA and partying from city to city throughout the season. Stephen Jackson talks about winning an NBA Finals with the San Antonio Spurs, starting All The Smoke, and much more. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You got time for 10 takes. Hiding in the bathroom at work, you got time for 10 takes. Listen to 10 takes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Volume All right, man. We back. Another wonderful episode of Club 520 Podcast. I'm the host, my name is DJ Wells. Special, special guest in the building to my left. We gonna introduce my man's last one to my far left.

We got my dog, Bishop B, heading out the pearly. How you what, nasty? Cool and nasty, let's get to it. Let's stack, I know you always keep your feet proper. Now he showing off today, we in the A, you know what I'm saying? He ain't not playing. He ain't playing with him today, but normally he in the Black Forces with the white license.

Oh yeah. I know what I'm saying, you from PAT. When you see the black forces down there, what that mean? We don't really do the black forces as the bad, the thug niggas and the white forces, the pretty boys. Like we don't do that. It's either in you or it's not, you know what I'm saying? Regardless of what you got on.

But the forces, I wasn't as big as Air Max where I'm from. We used to wear the Air Max. Okay, 95s? Yeah, 95s, that was big. The forces wasn't as big coming Air Max where I'm from. We used to wear the Air Max. Okay, 95s? Yeah, 95s. That was big. The Porsche wasn't as big coming up in PA. Okay. The all black 95s though, is that straight?

Any color of 95s. Okay, you good with money? Any color, yeah, especially the red ones. Yeah, facts. Turn me up to my right, my dawg, young Nacho, young Tig, how you up, man? I'm chilling, bro. Hype, man, we got somebody in here

that's kind of like an inspiration to us. He started the pie, they got the pie started, they rolling, got their hoe, they taking over everything, all the smoke productions everywhere. So it's hype to have somebody here that we kind of look up to in the podcast, and with Joe and Gillian and all those too. So it's going to be a good show for us.

For sure, man, listen, you know, as a patience man, I'm locked in, been waiting for this episode, man. For sure, come on. With some nap time boys. Yes, sir, I can't wait till we get to it. Come on, man, we got ABA chip. Like, sir. I can't wait till we get to it. Come on, man. We got ABA chip, like you said,

all the smoke that him and Max showed away for this podcast game, man. We got Stack Jack in the building, Stevie Jackson, appreciate you putting on the big dog. Thank y'all for having me, man. And good y'all, y'all flowers too. Y'all created a nice show and made a lot of way in a short time.

Appreciate it. Every time I look on social media, I see someone from y'all show trending. So that mean y'all doing something right. So man, I'm honored to be on y'all show, man. Definitely honored. Man, appreciate you to have it. Like you said, man, I love by broadcasting, man,

especially in the sports situation, like all the smoke, knuckleheads, like y'all was on ones right there, you know what I'm saying? They helped pave the way for us to be in the situation, man. So shout out to y'all, man, for being trailblazers in it, man. We gotta start off with a question, man. Yeah.

Like I said, we talked about the fours, you and Jordan Brad Affleck, what's your favorite shoe? Cheers, baby. Salute, salute. I'm a threes and fours guy. Why go with cheers? Yeah, threes and fours is my shit. You know, they, it's just the most comfortable one.

And actually, you know, when I was, that's what I played in. I played in threes and fours. So that's just my go-to. I rock the ones now, cause you know, that's the most, that's the shoe they send us the most. We have every one, you know, they might not send all the fly shit,

but they go send you every joint one. You know what I'm saying? But for the most part, threes and fours. For sure. We know you was hooping in the protege, then you got to the joint, but. The bobcats. I don't want to look at you yet.

I don't want to look at you. Protege? My man. I'm playing them shits. I'm playing them shit. Let me tell you what's about the protege. Shout out Al. Shout out to Al.

Don't shout out Al at the same time. Because he the reason I had this shit. Bro, every quarter of the game, if you want to know what moves I made on the court, all you had to do was look. Because the black shit from the shoe was all over the court, bro. Then, each court I'm tearing a hole in each pair of dogs. I played in those shoes for like six months. After that, I had bone spurs in my foot for three years.

Fucking with them protegeys trying to be laurier of my homeboy. Now we made a little bread off of it, but it was not worth it, bro. I'm telling you, it wasn't worth it. Yeah. Let's go through the crazy shoe rankings. We gonna put in the protegeys,'re going to put in the Protégés.

We never got put in the Starberries. They made by the same people. Oh, so you didn't know that? No, no, no. Steph did it. He gave the plug to Al. Al like, Zach, I think we can do it too. Fuck it.

Let's try it. Hey, and it didn't work. That's how a dope game works. I ain't no starberry with the plug on that change a lot now. Step, but step made some good money and he's still making good money. He just started the Xavier threes for his son in China too and they doing pretty good as well.

Shout out to step. Man, shout out to step. That's crazy. We was talking about the triple B's that nobody got their shoes. Yeah, I still in my. You still waiting on them? Yeah, I'm still waiting on my triple Bs.

The ball, they shit was way better than the protege. I'm sorry. Nothing was worse than the protege, dog. Unless you went some sketches out there. For real. They wearing sketches now. He was trying to get a deal with it. They wouldn't lock in.

They wouldn't lock in with me. They got Joellen B though, they straight. You know, niggas will wear anything now, they paying. Yeah, they paying. I'm niggas. Niggas put some pro Nah, they paying. Yeah, they paying. I'm niggas. I'm niggas. Niggas put some pro wings on around it, bitch. Put a stack in it, stack it.

Put the pro wings on. That nigga's true, man. We talked about going viral. And one time I said something about Michael Jackson. Everybody killed me. I said Drake sing just as good as Michael Jackson. Something like that. That ain't what I meant.

It was a long night. Well, it was. It was a long week. It was a long night. So it came out wrong though. But you was all like, you went crazy. You like, this nigga crazy. Nigga say anything, man.

And then you had, you had Kool and Dre going crazy. He DM'd me Michael Jackson songs for like a whole day. Then you had Kool and Drake went crazy. He DM'd me Michael Jackson songs for like a whole day. I'm like, bro, I was just drunk, bro. Like, I don't know. Hey, you know what? It's funny because, it's funny, and I do remember that now, but it's funny because people do really compare

Chris Brown and Drake to Michael Jackson. Like, as far as start them. You know what I'm saying? Now, I would say this, Chris Brown is by far the closest thing to Michael Jackson. You know what I'm saying? And if you had to have a Michael in hip hop. Yeah.

I was wilding. I always admit I was wilding. It would be Drake. It would be Drake. It would be Drake. I'll step in now. See, see you just talking about Stardom. It would be Drake. It would be Drake. It would be Drake. I'll step in now. See, see you just talking about stardom. Right.

That liquor was kicking his ass. He's talking about vocally. Absolutely. What? I didn't want you to tap back in, but you tap back in, but y'all went in. Yeah. Cause you, you, Dre, shout out to Kool and Dre.

I'm big on music, roll up music too, but I'm tapped in with y'all, you know what I mean? Background and body at work, but they said something and then you was right under it, and it just- It went crazy. Y'all made my nigga DMs go crazy. I was just trippin', I was just like- So Kool and Dre sent me the acapella voices, everything.

They really know music. They really know music. So Kool and Dre sent me the acapella voices, everything. They really know music. They really know music. I'm just tipsy bro, we just talking shit bro. That wasn't even supposed to go nothing. That was not a real. If somebody, if you had to pick somebody that could be close to Mike Vocal, who would you pick?

Male or female? Cause I think for me it's only one female that I could think that's closer to Mike Vocal. You gonna say Whitney Houston? That's it. Yeah. That's it bro. We locked in.

Yeah I am. We locked in. That's not Whitney. That's it. Eric, we had Joe Budden on the podcast. He said, hey, you don't mention music no more. Like you done. So I'm gonna just be done.

I'm gonna be done. Shout out Drake, shout out Mike. Yeah. What make it so funny is, you know what I'm saying? We from Indiana. So for you to make that tape with the 219, they was hot. Oh yeah, everybody was. Who was the biggest rapper from Indiana?

Gibbs so far. We don't have too many. Freddie Gibbs? Yeah, he dropped in the product too as far as who shot the Gibbs. I fucked with Freddie Gibbs too. Thanks to Gibbs. I wanna go back to the, you know what I mean,

to the beginning, poor Arthur. Yes sir. Who put the pill in your hands? Like when you pick it up and find the love for it. So I grew up in Port Arthur, Texas, poor Arthur. Yes, sir. Who put the pill in your hands? Like when you pick it up and find the love for it? So I grew up in Port Arthur, Texas, small town. All my family worked the refinery. So I grew up on the west side of my aunt, my uncles, my cousins, they all played basketball.

And in Port Texas, you know, football is big on Fridays. But when football is over, that same energy transfer to basketball. So on Friday nights growing up, there was one high school that we all grew up, went to, it's called Lincoln High School. Everybody have a Lincoln High School and they used to win state championships and grow up. So growing up I used to watch them and go watch them play. So it just I inherited from my uncles and cousins. But at five years old that's when I they all knew I was good.

I had 42 points. I had 40 points on the 42 point game. And yeah, I was five years old. I was about to say how many assists, but nevermind. None, none, none. I didn't know what assists was back then. Buddy Hill staff, baby. Five years old, 40 points, we had 42, another kid that I used to hang with, he scored down with the other two. And after that game, I started getting treated different.

You know what I'm saying? By coaches, by my uncles, by everybody. And I didn't know, I had it at the time. I just thought I was just taller and I was more athletic, but that's when it started. At, damn, my memory kicking in a little bit. 95, did y'all wanna, you led them to the chip at Lincoln. High school state championship, yep.

That was your? Junior year, my junior year. Oh, okay, how was that? Oh, and another question though, just two Like, I want you to talk about that. But is there any other pros that come from Lincoln? No. So BJ Tyler had a two year stint. He went up going to Texas. Yeah. And he had a two year stint.

But nobody. The crazy part about it is it's a town that's 15 minutes away called Beaumont, Texas. And the high school coach I had at the year we won the state championship ended up getting another kid that ended up going out of high school as well and winning the state championship as well, Kendrick Perkins. So we got the same high school coach.

Yeah, we got the same high school coach. We talking about Kendrick dribbling down the street. At the 13th. When he was 16, 15, he was that big, but he was getting it off the rim and bringing it up. Like he had all that. Before he got to Boston, he had all that, bro. Now I remember him with the Uncle and Soldier

when him and Bara linked up at AAU. Like nah, he went to leave short of high school. Yeah, you gotta be nice. So you just, you just hooked with your guys at Lincoln? We all wanted to chill, but. Yeah, like we had, the guys I played with, we'd been knowing each other from elementary all the way to high school.

So leaving them, my senior year was something I didn't want to do. What made Coach Smith come grab you? Well, Josh Passner, he ended up being the coach for Memphis and Georgia Tech. He was my AU coach, he was the same age as us. Yeah, I was about to ask you about that. I was gonna say that's crazy.

Yeah, he was our coach. And like, bro, he drove to my hometown. Let me tell you, I met Josh. So I was killing in Texas basketball, but I wasn't ranked too high. So he drove to my hometown in the middle of the ghetto during the daytime where it's crack being sold, niggas smoking, all kinds of shit. He pulls up by himself.

Everybody, I already make things, it's the police. Like who he looking for? And he calls my name. So I'm like, man, I don't know you. Don't put me on blast in front of the homies. Like, you know what I'm saying? And he was like, nah, my name is Josh Passman. I go to Kingwood, I have my own AAU team.

I'm like, how old are you, bro? He's like, I'm 17. Told me he has AAU team, wanted me to come play on his team. I'm like, bro, I ain't got no money, I ain't got no car. I can't get to Houston. He drove, bro, three times a week from Houston, which is I wouldn't have, picking me up.

I would have back to practice, and I wouldn't have back, then I wouldn't have back to go to school the next day. He did this shit three times a week just so I can you know, have a chance to play a basketball. And his dad had a relationship with he worked for Red Cross. He was a big wig and a Red Cross. And he had a relationship with Steve Smith. So he started coming to you games. And I remember trying

out this is the school year for the start and I'm on the football field running trying out for football. I'm running routes, got the pads on. I ain't thinking about basketball yet. My mom, my coach and my uncle come around the corner. I'm like, oh shit, this can't be good. Like take this shit off. You're going to Oak Hill.

I'm like, going to Oak Hill for what? I want to, we can go back to the back. I'm trying to, they're like, nah, your ass stay here, you going to jail. You know what I'm saying? Cause I stayed in trouble. I stayed in trouble around that time. So I didn't see what they was doing for me at the time. You know what I'm trying to think like, nah, your ass stay here. You going to jail. You know what I'm saying? Because I stayed in trouble. I stayed in trouble around that time. So I didn't see what they was doing for me at the time.

You know what I'm saying? I was hard headed. I wanted to be home with my friends. And sending me to Oak Hill was the best thing that ever happened to me. That's crazy. And we just had Smooth on. He know, he know.

Okay, so I know we had a little bit of this conversation, but who your top five? You know, so who your starting five, you take from Oak Hill? Brandon Jennings. Okay, BJ at the one. Rondo. I'm sorry, I gotta go small.

BJ, Rondo, cause they was just that good when they was there. We talking about Ed Oak Hill. Yup. Yes sir. Mello, Josh, and KD. It's tough. That's crazy fire. Dude, I gotta give you and Ty though. I gotta be on par with that team.

Ty Lawson was a problem too. Nasty bro. Tripp Duh Monster. Ty was a problem. Shout out to my nigga Ty. Yeah, shout out to Ty Lawson. And his squad is kept. He don't get spuckled up,

but Nolan was killing out there too. Nolan was getting too out there. Nolan is a winner. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? Nolan is a winner. Shout out to Nolan, Nolan is a winner. Even that dude, he brought that winning feel.

So Nolan is a winner, bro. He was solid. For sure. We gotta talk about it, man. One of our favorite OGs, Mike Bibby. Yup. That's my real brother. That was his vet.

That was my vet. Bibby was my vet. Here in Atlanta? Yup, when I first got my rookie year, he was a vet. Burn out, Amy. Oh my God. What about favorite people in the world, bro? Let me tell you how close me and Mike is.

I remember my wife talking about not too recent, when I was ending up getting married, I ended up calling the wedding off at the right at the door of the wedding, ready to start. Cause my wife went to sign up, my fiance at the time went to sign the prenup. And I was hurt at the time, be honest, I was crying afterwards, I was hurt

because all this stuff, my family was there, it was just a lot on me. Mike mom came and wiped snot from my nose and from my face with her bare hands and told me I became a man, that's when I knew she really loved me. But his momma did that to me, that let y'all know how tight we are.

You know what I'm saying? His momma, really the reason why I made it to the NBA. That's real. That's hard, bro. How did y'all know how tight we are. You know what I'm saying? His mama really is the reason why I made it to the NBA. That's real. That's hard, bro. How did y'all even link up though? Like how did y'all? So high school, we both signed with Arizona. So we both was good.

We had the number of recruiting class that year. And the first semester, I actually stayed with him on campus because I couldn't pass the test. I wouldn't even go on to the, I wasn't even going actually to take it. I was just like, they gonna have to just give me the grade or something.

And I took the test a couple of times and still couldn't pass it. Where I end up after the first semester, they had to kick me off campus. So here's my mom had got together like, he can't come back to Port Arthur. Like that ain't it. Like, so she, my mama let me stay with her.

And I worked out with his older brother, Dane. They was taking me to workout every day. And one morning she woke me up. She's like, get your shoes. And Dane wasn't there. So I'm like, where we going? She's like, just get your shoes. And we in the car.

She ended up driving me to the Phoenix Suns Arena where they play it now. And we walked there. I'm looking at her like, cause when we drive in, like she didn't have to say a name to, you know, normally you gotta have a pass up. She just waved at him like, you got pulled like that around his mouth. I was like, yeah, so we can, we come down and pull and she, you know, she had,

had already talked to Danny age and to bring me down to the play pickup. And Jason kid immediately embraced me. He in the piggy moments team. And that's when I was young. So I was catching lives and all kinds of shit. I was going crazy in there off high. I was high and all that going crazy. I was, I was young. So I was catching lives and all kinds of shit. I was going crazy in there. Off high, I was high and all that going crazy. I was raw.

And after I played, Danny Ainge told me that they had one pick in the draft, the second to the last pick, but the roster was full. But they like, you know, you played well up to date that we gonna draft you and guarantee you 250,000, but we gonna send you to CBA. And I was drafted in my mind, I'm in the league. I didn't give a damn.

250,000, all that, nigga, that's good, let's go. You know what I'm saying? But once you get in the dough, you know this T, JT, once you get in the dough, you good. And I got drafted, I bounced overseas when my name was in that system. You know what I'm saying, for getting drafted, that's all I needed.

And I owed it all to Mike Ma. Now that's dope, bro. I didn't know Danny Angel was there. What, Cedric Sabal was there too? That's one of the people I fried. You know what? He don't like to talk about it because he keep saying we was on the same team.

Oh, that's cap. Man, but I fried, put it like this. My fault, Ced. No, put it like this. Ced, if I didn't fry Ced, I fried everybody else that was there there. My bad, Ced. Y'all was wrong.

He went with you all the way to the big locker room. That's my dog, that's my dog. But I had a great day that day. I was my dog. But I had a great day that day. I was young and hungry. I had a great day that day bro. Nah, that's hard bro. A great day. How was it overseas then though?

Where'd you go first? I went to, I went to Venezuela first. Tell you about my first day in Venezuela, which is crazy. I get there, I automatically didn't go cause you know, I never been out of the country. Being at a small town, like you going to Venezuela, fresh out of high school, played basketball, my mom was terrified. I get there the first day they pick me up

and they take me straight to practice and it's like a bridge probably like a mile ahead of us. So now when we get to, we come around this corner, it's the bridge, it's traffic, so everybody going slow. So he trying to figure out why is it traffic. When we get to under the bridge, it's a 14 year old, a little small kid by 14, 15 years old laying on the ground he had just jumped off a bridge. Damn. That's my first day there so I'm looking out the window seeing the dead body.

My first day in Venice waiver. Damn. I'm like I'm like I'm not I can't take I'm not gonna take this shit I can't you know what I'm saying call my mama just my mama G. I'm like mama as soon as I tell everything I see I'm like I ain't be able to do that she's like so what you gonna come what you gonna come back home and do? Ain't finna be in my house. So I'm like, damn. I can't. You must have been acting the man for the food. I can't, I was bro, I was, I was bro.

I think I was acting the food. I was bro, to be honest, I OD'd, I served at the age of 17 twice. Damn bro. Before I got to be, so I needed a lot of change. You know what I'm saying? That's why I created so many people. You know what I'm saying?

In my life, because if I didn't have all these people, I wouldn't be here right now. That's real. That's a real story right there. So when you actually got on the court, that shit was crazy. You're getting it. How was that though?

In Venezuela it was cool because, you know, I was playing basketball and I was making money. I wasn't making much, you know what I'm saying? I went with my wife then, but I made $30,000. The women were so beautiful in Venezuela, I left all my money there with them. I'm just keeping it real though. I had never been out of the country

and you take a little ghetto nigga from Port Arthur and bring him to Venezuela where they breed Miss Americas. You know what I'm saying? I lost it, I'm gonna keep focusing on you. I lost it, I probably came back with like $8, $10. I left it all there, you know what I'm saying? I lost it. I'm keep focusing on you. I lost it. I probably came back with like $8, $10. I left it all there. You know what I'm saying? A brick of weed that has, they say a brick of weed that has seeds in it. It was like $200. So I was getting the chick that I had. I had to give me a pack of Newports, a box. Put all the cigarette, the tobacco out and stuff the weed in all of them. So I had packed some cigarettes, but it was all weed. So I was enjoying myself out there, bro. I was 18, 19. I didn't know what to do.

I wasn't thinking about saving no money and going home and nothing like that, bro. It was a great experience, but my mind still was like, if I'm having fun here, it matches what I'm gonna have when I get to the league, bro, you know what I'm saying? If I can enjoy this, I can enjoy anything. Nah, that's how I feel when I first went to Miami.

Say, yeah, I ain't going back to nothing. I buried a lot of teeth in that. I went out with Bivvy, T-Dog, Fat Joe. Oh no, and you with Fat Joe, you just the best of the best. I said, oh Lord, I like this style. How long did you stay over there though? I've been this way for six months. I like this style. How long did you stay over there though? Overseas? No, just overseas.

So I've been a waitress for six months. I played two years in the Dominican Republic, won a championship there. Played in Australia, broke my foot in Australia. And I played in Cholet, France for like two weeks. I couldn't stand it because of the smell and they just, they just wasn't taking care of themselves. Like the gym, all that stuff, like it wasn't something I wanted to be a part of. How was that transition from, you know,

the overseas world, now you, I don't want to mess it up. Like I think you went to New Jersey first. Yes, yes. So you went straight to New Jersey. How was that like transition? Well, for me, I broke both of my feet. The second time I broke my foot,

I was the last there cuts for the Bulls. And I made the team. Like I went from not being on the, having the penny on, the penny jersey, to the last day I got on the purple, I mean the red, the red one. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm with the starters.

So when you with the starters last day, when they got two people making the team, you basically know you're making the team. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Broke my foot the day of last cuts, going for a leg, broke my foot. Called my mama again, but this time I was crying like a little bitch.

I'm talking about balling, like maybe this ain't it. You know what I'm saying? I broke both of my feet, like I'm going through all this shit. Maybe I gotta do something else and it wasn't nothing else for me to do because I wasn't smart. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't prepared to go to school

and get a job or no shit like that. She's like, so what you gonna do? You gonna come home, you gonna heal up, and you gonna get back out there. My mother-in-law, G for real. Nah, she a G. Straight up. She wouldn't let me sit in that shit. You know what I'm saying?

She wouldn't let me sit in that shit. Even though she was hurt too, cause she seen it on me. Like, I was there though. You know what I'm saying? I was there, bro. I'm feeling to make the team. I'm here.

All the hard work is over. I made it. And that shit happened the day of. And I was devastated for a while, bro, I ain't gonna lie. I stayed home, I didn't play basketball for like eight months, didn't do nothing. And I didn't think I'd ever play again. Okay.

Crazy. You go from that feeling to being a NBA champion, it's damn near crazy though. So what made you start hoopin' again? Like obviously you said your mom was pushin' you. I got an opportunity to play summer league with Vancouver. I got an opportunity to play, Mike came with to Vancouver. And I went out there with Mike

and I ended up playin' summer league with them. And I was bustin' Sharif Abdul Rahim ass. That's my boy. But I was hungry, bro. You know what I'm sayin'? I was hungry. You know what I'm sayin'? I was hungry. You know what I'm saying? I was hungry and I was out there shining, shining, shining,

pre-season shining, practice is shining. And they cut me. I'm like, God damn. Like what I gotta do, bro? Like, is it, is it? I'm starting to learn the game too though. The politics of the political side of the basketball. It ain't about how good you is.

You know what I'm saying? You gotta fit in with, you gotta fit in with the team and they want you to buy in. I wasn't buying in the shit at you is. You know what I'm saying? You gotta fit in with the team and they want you to buy in. I wasn't buying in the shit at that time. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't coachable, none of that. I was just raw. Give me the ball, get out of the way. Let me compete against my man.

You know what I'm saying? I didn't know how to run plays, none of that shit. So they was right to be kippy punk, they was right for cutting me. Cause I was just a raw basketball player. I didn't know how to play the game yet. You know what I'm saying? But as time passed,

I played in summer league with a couple other teams and I ended up getting an invite to camp with New Jersey. And that's all because Steph, Stephon Marbury and Kenny Martin. Yeah. I ended up going to the pre-camp and I ended up playing with Steph and Kenny. Kenny got drafted number one that year.

And they came and watched us practice and like, bring him to camp. Byron was asking, like, bring him to camp. And me and Ken, he, Byron didn't know but me and Ken already knew each other from being from Texas. Ken just wasn't, Ken Lee, I think he's a year younger than me and he had an injury, he had an injury going into that year. He broke his foot.

He broke his foot. And still got drafted number one. And that's why he won, that's why he won practices. But anyway, they got me in. And once I got in, you know, I just, yeah, yeah. Everything worked out for me. I had number one, you got the number one pick and the starting point guard on your side.

You know what I'm saying? It's kind of hard to go wrong. Who shows you the ropes? What was that vet that grabs you on your head? It was stuff, bro. So, you know, me being from Texas, we used to have the starched down pants, but what them bitches can stand up with the creases.

He was out of pocket. Oh, nigga, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Stay flow. My shit kicking in there. You went to some workout and did you work out with somebody in New York and the motherfuckers said you was in the gym and like literally took your pants off, pause, and like you set them up and they really stood up like- Al Harrington.

So, so I told you I'm so, so look, I'm getting ready to come in the draft. This is, this I knew, but I knew things was drafting me and they flew me out to New Jersey to work out in New Jersey gym with this guy named, I forgot his name, but he was working out out here at the time. This is my first time meeting him. I was like 16, 17. That's the nigga, the biggest dude I ever seen in my life. I'm like, this nigga in high school?

And we ended up working out together. He asked me to work out with him. So I wasn't planning on working out. dude I ever seen in my life. I'm like, this nigga in high school? And we ended up working out together. He asked me to work out with him. So I wasn't planning on working out, so I had on some jeans. Told y'all, I'm gonna take some. My shit was starched down, so I pulled them bitches out and just stood them up. That state flow was in them.

I showed them to practice one day, and Steph was like, oh, no, oh, no. That nigga, Steph, took me. This is a true story. That nigga Steph took me, this is a true story dog. Yeah. Steph took me, bought me an Escalade. This one Escalade's first came out, bought me like 10 pairs of Tims, baggy jeans. He bought me the whole swag. He like, man, take that shit off.

He made me take my jeans off and left. I didn't throw them in the trash. I was like shit. Nigga, when I wear them old state float jeans out here, I'm like shit, that's a shit to take. Yeah, since we here, cause nigga, I ain't gonna hang off right. I used to start some of my shit too. Okay, okay, let's go. Let's go. Real shit though, my shit never stood there. How the fuck was you ironing the pants again? We used to put our shit in the cleaners. And you say heavy starch. You want heavy starch.

When you put in some starch you can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib.

You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib.

You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the iron print on the bib. You can see the And you say heavy starch. You want heavy starch. When you put it in some starch you can see the iron print on them. You can see the iron print on them bitches. That's just how we did it in this house. With the Al Max. With the Al Max. Back in the days off the way from. When you had jeans on you flipped that bottom.

You flipped that bottom. Yeah that comes. And flip that bottom. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's it. Ha ha, yeah, that's it. And then your pair was too big. Boy, I used to hit it with this one. That's it. Oh, DJ. That's it. You used to do that once too.

You used to do that once too. Yeah, yeah, that was the one. Yeah, okay. I was like, damn, I remember that story. Y'all got it though. That's crazy. That's crazy. The Embers NBA Cup is here and you can win big.

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I know you from Golden State. You know, the Spurs and shit. But me, it's the guy, the Bobcats, because you was average. And 20, you was cooking. But when was that year if you were at Click? Well, see, that's that's a different. You played the game. You know the game. I would agree with you, because that was my best years.

Yeah. That was my best years playing basketball. But in Jersey, it clicked because when I got there, Byron wasn't fucking with me. And I end up starting my first, the first game of the season, I end up starting. I end up making a, I end up making a rookie all-star game. I'm leading all rookies in scoring.

Even the number one pick that's on my team. I'm leading all scoring, going into the rookie game. I come back from the rookie game. I don't play no more the rest of the season. Why you think that? I have no idea. So for me, this is what I think. So Byron had a son named Thomas Scott.

That was the same age as me. And he was there around the time. So I hung with him. I was as young as him, so I hung with him a lot. And his wife basically treated me like a son. So I don't know if he thought that I was hidden on his wife or something like that, but that's the only thing I could think of

because the animosity that he showed to just stop playing me with no kind of excuse, don't even talk to me about it, like it had to be personal, you know what I'm saying? And his wife was just, she was a mother to me because I was still young and she felt like I needed some guidance and my mom appreciated, but I think he took it the wrong way.

Okay. Cause I got a story it the wrong way. Okay. Cause I got a story about when we played, you played on a broadcast. I'm gonna let y'all get to that cause you won't champion shit with the Spurs. You just stand there. No fuck the shit. Bobcats was playing.

So you know when you were a rookie, you on play. Oh, I didn't play. So I'm talking shit at the end of the bench. So I just yelled shit out. I can't remember who the point guard with your team was. I think it might have been Ray Felton. It was Ray Felton. He went to the basketball.

I was like, hell no. And he looked, he looked at the end of the bench. He was shut your ass up. But I'm laughing because now I got him pissed off. I'm getting under your skin. I can't play like that either. I can't play like when I'm mad, I can't play like that. Shut your ass up.

So I'm like, I'm gonna keep talking. So next time he come, he come to the sideline and I say something else, like, that shit off. He with us, you know, talking shit. But they start ignoring me and shit. So now I'm standing up, doing all the antics. I ain't playing. So I'm trying to entertain myself really.

So it gets to the last shot of the game, right? You're one of the best storytellers. This nigga, so he got the wall on the wing by our bench. So I'm like, Mo, it's Mo Evans. I'm like, Mo, lock that shit up, man. He gets nothing. He jab, jab, one dribble, game, right? Hit the game winner.

I think he ran on the stands. I jumped on the bench. Yeah, yeah, he ran on the stands. I'm like, oh shit, he about to come for me. I ran to the back of the locker room. I ran to the back of the locker room. I was like, hey, you about to come for me. I ran to the back of the locker room. I ran to the back of the locker room. I was like, I ain't about to watch this shit.

I come back out, Mo was like, shut the fuck up. I was like, I ain't gonna say that though. That was my only game win in my career, I tell you. Oh damn, that was the only one. That was the only one. A walk off. Yeah, that was a walk off. That was my only walk off.

He hit the shot. I remember I ran to the back like, oh shit, Mo came back there and said, shut the fuck up. I was like, I ain't gonna say nothing. That was real. Who else was cold with you on that, Bob? Can't say.

Jerold Wiles. He did it. So he ended up making an awesome, I think I should have made it because shit changed when I got there, but I was happy for him because that was really my part in the crime. Like I felt like I was back with Ron Artis. You know what I'm saying?

With Jerold on that wing. We argued about Ron Artest. You know what I'm saying? With Jero on that wing. And we argued about who guarding him. You know what I'm saying? I love having another guy that's gonna compete on the wing. Playing with Ron was the best ever, bro. Ron Artest, I would never have a teammate that can dominate on both ends of the court every night if he wanted to.

You know what I'm saying? Ron is somebody who I feel like, as a team, the only teammate that could have won MVP and defensive player a year in the same year. And we here with it, listen, we are Nap Town Babies, man. You know what I'm saying? We was locked in on that Pacer stuff. Man, that day that that happened,

nobody could believe that shit happened. Not at all. I couldn't even believe it either, bro, to be honest. That was our championship year though, I ain't gonna lie. Swear to God. I stand on it, bro. We were smacking all four pistons that year bro. They did not want to smoke in them bro.

We were 14 and five at the time. I played on the Pacers before and that organization, everybody knew that was a year. Like even when I came on the team, they didn't think we was winning no championship. They thought it was gonna be a year. It was hurt bro. It was hurt.

I was hurt for Reggie too. Cause that was a year for us to win it. You know what I'm saying? That that shit, that one little shit happened five, like five minutes fucked up our whole season, but we was beating the shit out of them too. Blow out. Y'all was cracking everybody.

We was. We was. We was. Y'all spaces might never win a chip again. I mean, had an opportunity to get close like that. I mean, obviously PG and them did. They went straight white after these things. That was the best team to me.

I know they went to the finals with Reggie and them, but the team we had. No, y'all was the best team. Y'all had killers. Y the finals with Reggie and them, but the team we had. Now y'all was the best team. Y'all had killers. Y'all had killers. But from all the way around though, from one, two, three, four, five, like Jeff Foster, Jermaine O'Neal, Ronald Nettes, me, Reggie Miller,

Jamal Tinsley, who we had, Scott Powell on the sideline, we had fucking Fred Jones. We had a mob, bro, we had a solid mob. I didn't see nobody beating us in those seven game series at all. With that wrong attention in his right mind, nah, it wouldn't happen. Nah, y'all, that was a year.

I just remember from that fight, cause Fred Jones, he used to be in Indy a lot, he used to live there for a minute. I used to always mess with him, he would come hoop at the gym and shit. When he had that broom, I said, Fred, everybody else whooping ass, man. What the fuck you doing, Fred? Sweepin'

I'm Fred. Hey, Fred weaved. Ben Brother ended up, if y'all look at the film, Ben Brother, because I think Ben has just lost somebody in their family before the game. Ben Brother had ended up right behind Fred and tried to knock his ass off. He turned into Penel Wilkins.

Fred got out of the way of all those shit. He didn't get hit. And it was a big boy. He throwing a big boy punch his tooth. Like, he ain't move no more. Shout out to my guy, Freyja. And it's crazy because if you look at the videos at the time where that was panning to everything happening,

everybody else was in the same emotion. But Freyja was in the same, ducking for his life. It was like, damn. My thing was why even go out there. You know what I'm saying was why even go out there? You know what I'm saying? Why even go out there? To me, I really don't feel like we should've got suspended.

Like Ron maybe, but then again, if you think about, okay, if somebody, we out at a restaurant and somebody throw a beer on your face, that's assault. You know what I'm saying? You can press charges on them. Not if you're a black athlete. Yeah, I got you. Not if you're a black athlete, you can't,

you know what I'm saying? We was at you can't, you know what I'm saying? We was at work, bro. You know what I'm saying? Anybody that's gonna start to work, they're not getting in trouble. Why would we get in trouble? Because we defended ourselves, and I have to say this too. When you look at the tape,

I got suspended 30 games, I got fined $3 million. Damn. Right? So, if you look at the tape, I ran up six rows to get in that grab run. If I was on some bullshit, I could hit somebody on row one, two, three, four, five, six. I went up and I grabbed Ron immediately.

Look at the tape, as soon as I grabbed him, they throw another beer in his face. That's the dude I hit. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I don't feel like, I shouldn't have got suspended for defending my teammate and being in the, you know what I'm saying? Now if I'd have went up there in the first row, hit a nigga, second row, hit a nigga.

Like, okay, yeah, kick his ass out the league. I didn't do that. I ain't gonna lie, you became a legend in all that. Nigga, we, for real, you and J.O., cause my J.O. hit dude and he slipped. But if he didn't slip, bro, he might've killed that nigga. And he still left on the stretcher. Yeah.

The dude, J.O. slipped and the dude still left on a stretcher. That's crazy. That's how crazy, I'm glad he didn't. I'm glad he didn't. Oh my God, can you imagine J.O. teeing up and lining somebody up though? What? He probably killed that dude.

No, straight up, he been dead. Clay click kicked that off though. I don't even remember what happened. So wrong, no, wrong was wrong. Yeah. So, I'm at the remember what happened. So, wrong, no, wrong was wrong. Yeah, so. I'm at the free throw line. Look at the game, I'm at the free throw line. I'm gonna tell y'all some shit that a lot of people don't know.

I'm at the free throw line. I'm shooting the free throw. All I hear is, you can get your foul back. And Jamal tells me, telling that to Ron, I'm like, man, what? No, bro, don't tell him that. So I'm like, man, what? No, bro, don't tell him that. So I'm like, fuck it. I go, you know what?

I thought I hit him. Make the free throw, I ran back. Look at the tape. I ran back fast and jumped and guarded Ben. Just so Ron couldn't file him. Guarding Ben. I'm just letting Ben go score with the time running out. Go ahead, you know, I'm just playing token defense.

I ain't filing him. Go score a wrong cover from out of nowhere and file him hard. Boom. I'm like playing token defense, I ain't following him. Go score a wrong come from out of nowhere and follow him. Hard, boom. I'm like, oh. Ben turned around and got 10 times bigger, and they just started sweating. I'm like, they're incredible. I'm like, ooh.

He just, whoo, whoo, whoo. And then boom. I thought Ron head came off. I need to push Ron shit back so fast. I went to my guy, I've never seen a nigga put his hands on somebody's face like that, dog. And Ron just, you know, he tried to get himself together. I know he was kind of woozy, he had to be. He tried to get himself, we ended up breaking it up.

But if Ron would have never came over and filed Ben, I was guarding him. Top, the game would have ran out, we'd have been out of it, you know what I'm saying? But Jamal says, he told it. Bro, get your file back from last year, submit the files, I had no idea, you know what I'm saying? I didn't know nothing about it.

And I ended up in that shit. And that's how all that shit started, dawg. That shit should have never happened. That's crazy. That's crazy. I wanna talk about them Spurs teams though. Cause you played to me with the best fire for it to ever do this shit.

I agree with you on that. Like, how was that playing? I know it was a couple of fuck niggas on the team. You know what I'm saying, if you don't want to. If you don't want to. I'm listening to this nigga. As you're all tinsy right now. I'm with you, I'm with you.

I know I keep it funky. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you ain't gotta speak all them niggas, fuck them. But how was that plan for Pop, bro? One of the greatest coaches ever. I say this and people think I'm crazy, but Pop is not a great coach. Hold on, bro. He's a great leader. I say this and people think I'm crazy, but Pop is not a great coach. Hold on, bro.

He's a great leader. I respect. You know what I'm saying? See, if you look at the Spurs teams and look at all the coaches that come under Pop that's head coach of something else. Look at all the guys that came in, that came in the Spurs organization

that was film guys, that's GMs and president of the team, Sam Preston, all these guys, right? All over the league. So he, Pop is a great leader. When you play for the Spurs teams, when you look at the timeouts, Pop has a, when I was there, it was an offensive coach

and a defensive coach. My offensive coach was Mike Budnhuyser. He'd been coach of the year two years already. That was for Buzz. Mike Brown, that was your guy, Mike Budnhuyser. Mike Brown, and since Sacramento, he was the defensive coach. So during timeouts, they meet,

but Bud comes in with his offense, during timeout. Mike comes in. That's why I say Pop is not a great coach. He's a great leader. He leads the organization from the top with everybody from the gym, to the ball boys, to the camera guys, everybody's thinking championship or bust. Right? And you go to a lot of organizations where the leader of the organization doesn't have the power to have everybody buying into that. That's why I say he's the best leader. Because he can bring any coaches in there,

make them look good and send them off somewhere else with their head coaches. He got a guy that was a, the film guy when I was there. He's the head coach of Utah Jazz now. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I say he's a leader. He's not a great coach. He brings great coaches under him,

but he's a great leader. And I don't think he's a better leader than the NBA. But my time there was a blessing because I learned how to be a professional. I learned the NBA is more than just playing basketball. I learned how to prepare. You know what I'm saying? I learned how to be a man.

Cause Steve Smith, he showed me how to be a man, him and David Robinson. But not having Tim Duncan there, I don't think I ever would have played. I wouldn't have got an opportunity to be a man for Steve Smith. He showed me how to be a man, him and David Robinson. But not having Tim Duncan there, I don't think I ever would have played. I wouldn't have got an opportunity to be on the court. When I first got there, Tim was, everybody don't know Tim was an action junkie. So he liked playing paintball.

He like, he got a thing, he had a case full of guns. Like he do UFC training. Like he one of those action type guys. He like action. So when I first got there, he needed somebody to go play paintball with him. Yeah, I know that's right up my alley. You should have threw that nigga jeans. You talking about

throwing jeans away though. You should have threw that nigga jeans away. All his shit. All of his samples. And he picks crazy. That's the worst one ever. That lets you know he didn't give a fuck. Nah, nah, respect though. Yeah. He liked to play paint bro. The worst he be teaching. That let's you know he didn't give a fuck, bro. I respect though, yeah. He like to play paintball,

so I showed up, you know, I showed up paintball with Dickies on, Chuck. He's like, bro, you can't, you gotta have some comfortable shoes. Like this ain't, you know, so we showed up, like we can do a drive-by. He's like, nah, this ain't it, bro. You gotta get elbow pads.

So I used to go play with him. So training camp, this funny story. So we go play and like, I ain't scared of shit. Like I really ain't, besides God, I ain't scared play and like, I ain't scared of shit. Like I really ain't, I'm besides God. I ain't scared of no human. I ain't scared of nothing. That's just my problem. That's why I've probably been so much shit.

And the name of the game is, you gotta go grab the flag in the middle. So I'm like, ain't nobody gonna go grab the flag. Y'all niggas scary. Fuck that. I dropped my gun, hard ass teach. Oh, hey, let's watch. Fuck that, I ain't gun. Hard ass teach.

Fuck that. I ain't scared. So I'm just start playing so I didn't know they had masks that don't fog up. I'm not here today. I'm just, you know, I'm just right here trying to have fun on some ghetto shit. My mask fogged up. I got to run up the steps. Boom, boom, nigga.

Shoot me. Nigga, I got it. Nigga, I missed the last step and my mask slide up. Ah, damn. Boom, nigga, blood everywhere. Nigga, my mouth, I'm talking, my shit so swollen. Nigga, there's blood everywhere. My tooth and width and my lip.

Damn. All kinds of shit, right? So I slide my mask down and I'm running down trying to tell the niggas, I hit my mouth. These niggas shoot. I'm like, man, hold up, man. I'm like, hold up. I'm like, man, hold up, man. I'm like, hold up.

So look, they shoot me and they think it's paint but it's blood and it took over all my whole shirt. So I'm like, man, stop, nigga. You know what I'm saying? I'm bleeding for real. So we gotta go to practice the next day. I'm in a, with Tim, we live in Waze, Popcoming. What happened?

Just when Tim fucked with me. I mean, I was playing at the house with my homeboy, flat box, you know what I'm saying? The straight at the house with my homeboy, flat boxing, you know what I'm saying? Straight up lied. Tim thought I was finna say, you know what I'm saying? Straight up lied to Pop. Nigga, you know Pop knew I was lying. He knew that shit.

Ever since then, Tim vouched for me. Doing practice. I wasn't playing, I was on the practice court, put me on the first five with him a day, and he telekipped. So Seattle, we playing in Seattle one day, this be like 25 games until the season. I'm coming off the bench, I'm averaging by 18 off the bench at the time.

Yeah, I'm killing. Yeah, getting to off the bench, you know what I'm saying? Playing probably like 25 minutes. And Pop called me like, come to my room. I'm like, I get in this room, Tim in there, I'm like, yep. They know, they know, we gonna start you tonight. Okay, you ain't even thinking about it.

You ain't even thinking about basketball, I just definitely get kicked out of the team. We gonna start you tonight. You know, you been playing well, duh, duh, duh. I'm like, okay, cool. But that wasn't the, the pitch the hardest part. I told y'all Steve Smith was my OG. So I was taking his spot.

So, you know, I walk in the locker room, I'm like, I walk by him, I don't even want to speak to him. I'm like, this the OG, like, I don't know how he gonna feel. That nigga see like, hold on, hey, you rooted for me, I'm rooting for you the same way. Like, he was a real, I was like, nah, don rooted for me, I'm rooting for you the same way. Like when he was a real, I was like, nah, don't do that, I'm rooting for you just the way you root,

it ain't personal, you know what I'm saying? I didn't understand that, I wasn't a professional then, you know what I'm saying? But for him to do that, it gave me the confidence to go out there and play, so shout out to Steve Smith, but that's how I ended up really getting on the court and getting a chance to play was because of Tim, because Tim kept vouching for me.

What year was that? This was, so this is 03. Yup. Bro, do you want a chip? And that finals was crazy. I remember you having one of the coldest in and out ever. Like I was aware who he was.

I'm from Kenyon Martin. But the hardest in and out I've ever seen in my life. Oh my God. And I ain't, I'm just not, I'm not like TJ. I ain't the greatest handler. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I can control my shit,

but some shit will come out of there now, just off instinct. You know what I'm saying? I ain't trying. Them niggas do that shit on purpose. You know what I'm saying? I can control my shit, but some shit will come out of there now, just off instinct, you know what I'm saying? I ain't trying. Them niggas do that shit on purpose. You know what I'm saying? My shit just came off instinct. I remember that shit too. I was like, that was one of the hardest

things I've ever seen in my life. That was crazy. But man, like you said, we Nap Town babies, and y'all was going crazy in the city at the same time, the coast was going crazy. How was that, the nightlife in the city? Cause the city ain't been the same since, but how was that energy in the city

when the coast is killing, y'all killing, and everybody was outside? And J.O. had a club. And Rachel had our own club. Every night. Yes sir. Oh man, shout out Edgard James. Seven.

Seven. Shout out Edgard James, Pat McAfee, Bob Sanders. Bob Sanders. Oh, the whole nine. The funds crashing. Who was the linebacker name? Who was the linebacker name? Who was the linebacker name? Kato Jones.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Dwight Franey. The Bracket. Gary Bracket? No, Gary wasn't there yet. His name started with an M. Mathis. Mathis.

Robin Mathis, shout out to Robin Mathis. That was my dog today. All was out, we was all out together, bro. That was my first, that's probably the only time that I've been in the city where there's a football team and we hung together every night. I didn't do that in no other city. that team those two teams were basically like family bro We supported each other, you know, I'm saying I think I stayed right next door to Tony Tony Dungey

And the night I got hit by the car That was the first person in my house when I got home from getting stitched up He was the first person knock on my door Tony Dungey So I think just just the fact that a lot of the guys stayed in the same neighborhoods and we support it was just dope. And then it was a lot of guys on a team that grew up like us, you know, I'm saying, Edwin James. They grew up from from the struggle to so it was it was a great connection, bro.

You ever hear Riverside on the Sunday? I sure did. I was also. All this awesome. Oh, yeah, these niggas. They gonna make it. Hey, spandoms everywhere, and porn cars everywhere. We was, hey, this is crazy, bro.

That's so crazy. We had a sheriff came to my house. J.O. had a sheriff come to my house and give all of us gun license. After that, before the shootout. Yeah, that's, yeah. That's why I felt like that. Nigga had a gun like that.

I was dealing with the kid. That is untouchable. I'm finna get off. I'm finna get off. And it was crazy as a kid at that time, growing up, like you would see Jamal Tizzy in the rarest places. At the mall, bro.

Fresh as hell, fresh white tee, fresh forces, fresh jeans. This brother used to cut my hair, jeans. He wore fresh pair ones. JT even practiced in the fresh pair ones one day. Solid. Untied. How was that like playing with him? He's another point guard for sure.

That's super underrated. He was damn near to me before right for Austin, like the and one type of player. You know what I'm saying? So how was that playing with Jamal? One of the best post-up guards you could ever play against, his post game was underrated. And as far as his passing and ball handling,

you ain't finna find too many guys that's gonna do the playground shit in the game that he would do, you know what I'm saying? He'll post up and turn around and throw it through the guy legs on the block, or right down to him on the box. Once you move through his legs, he was doing stuff like that. So he was very, on the block, right down to him on the box. One dribble through his legs, and he was doing stuff like that.

So he was probably the most, besides Baron Davis, the most creative person with the ball that I play with. And he's very underrated. I just think because the way he played, it was slow. He didn't give the effort all the time on defense or like that, so people kind of knocked him for that. But as far as talent, he had it all.

How tall was Jamal? Six two. Yeah, he probably the same height or a little taller than me. He look real little on the- Nah, not athletic. Just got the ball on the string. That boy had it all though. He could pass like a monk.

Especially with the coach he was playing under. For him to play the way he played under that coach at the time, cause LB wasn't going for that. So for him to get that off, that's all I know. We got something in the city. Outside of Tim Duncan, who the best player you ever played with? Tim gotta be one.

Tim is the best I play with if I have to go. It's out of Ron and J.O. I got Baron number three, but it's out of Ron and J.O. for two, cause I seen Ron do some amazing things on that court. Like it's just dominated on both sides of the court. Yeah. And I seen Jermaine damn to get 70 points, you know what I'm saying? One night.

So people sleep on J.O. J.O. used to get buckets. Oh, the bra don't happen. He's in the Hall of Fame already. That's a foul. 100 percent. The bra don't happen with Ron. Ron's in the Hall of Fame. So I'll give you that. I want to talk about that Warriors team, though. Yeah, that's probably, I don't know. I ain't gonna say the most fried team, but on record.

Yeah, that's the fried team. If we not the most burnout team in NBA history. I was gonna say. Than the Indiana team. It happened to me one of them two. It happened to me one of them two. Hey, bro. Charlotte, I mean, the Golden State team

was probably the most burnout team ever in life. Y'all played basketball fun though. Like watching y'all, I was like, damn, that looked fun. Well, just imagine a whole bunch of people, you grew up knowing in high school, y'all ended up on the same NBA team. Yeah, that's right. Then y'all got a coach, Donnie,

that the first day I get there, this is how he tell me and BD, we captains. He brings us to this little hole in the wall, talking about, I'm gonna take you out to this little hole in the wall bar to play shuffleboard. Who knows what shuffleboard is? Niggas don't know what that is, right? I'm like, cool, whatever.

We get there, it's with the sand and the metal balls and you slide it, you know what I mean? So we didn't play this shit at all. This nigga got a bottle of scotch and got me and BD pissy drunk. I'm talking about to the BD blinking our eyes and as turned out to the, to the me and BD blinking our eyes. And as we had like the fifth shot, he tap us up. Larry, come on Larry.

Hey, you guys are captains. And he stumbled out. We rode with him. We caught the driver from the, and him and Larry. So they left me and BD sitting at the bar like, nigga I turned out drunk. Cause I don't drink scotchD sitting at the bar like, nigga, I'm tomorrow drunk, because I don't drink scotch.

We sitting there wasting like, I guess we captains. We had to find our way home. So that day, we knew that this, oh nah, we're public coach. Bro, we took our last drug test. Me and BD coming out the locker room with our pink slip, because they give you a pink slip as they take the test. My head coach is out like this. Giving us high fives, come on, yeah, yeah.

We already smoking because we live in the same building. But he giving us high fives. That's so, so, that's legit. I'm just trying to explain to y'all how our team was. You know what I'm saying? Me and our best friends. When we got there, Monte Ederdon have a tattoo. Look at him now. Whole body tattoo.

He didn't have one tattoo. That was Matt. The bell's Matt far right there. That boy's did that to Monte. Is that you and Matt first time linking up? Yep. So that's how me and Matt became close. When his mom died, you know what I'm saying? I stayed with him the whole time. You know what I'm saying? We really became brothers. His mama died fast too from cancer. And instead of me going home, doing those little breaks, should I just stay with him? So that's how our bond started. Didn't start with the park,

had to start a way before that and go to the state. But that team bro, it was just a whole bunch of guys that been knowing each other. We get a chance to play together. We didn't think we was gonna make the playoffs and no shit like that. We was just hungry and you know,

playing hard and playing for each other, good shit happened. Y'all was going out every night. Every night bro, it's not one city. Let me tell you the story of New Year's. We in Houston on New Year's. We had just beat the Rockets, right? So this is a typical night for us.

So this is New Year's, we beat the Rockets, we in the club, it's about a club like an hour or two before being closed. By this time, our whole team is drunk, so everybody has a role. So I didn't pass out the bandana. So everybody got a red bandana. So I don't know why I didn't beat any of this shit.

Everybody's red bandana, right? Okay. Matt role, Matt is the drunk, pretty white boy. So we all drunk, niggas and white beaters. He run around ripping niggas white beaters off. Like on some, I don't know, some school days type shit. I don't know, old school, I don't know some drunk white boy shit.

He ripping our shirts off. So nine niggas in a half, niggas drunk, half white beaters, half off, right? So normally it's my job to find Baron Davis. If you don't find Baron Davis, it's gonna be a night that we gonna remember or we gonna regret it. If you don't find Baron Davis, it's going to be a night that we're going to remember all week. We're going to regret it.

So I ended up getting too fucked up while I lose Baron. And I get tapped by one of my homeboys, like bro, look at your boy. I'm like, what? He on his way to the DJ booth. I'm like, ah. DJ BD. So look, soon as he grabbed the microphone,

my homeboy Coppo said, BD finna get us all indicted. He said, BD finna get us all indicted. So I said, aw shit, so he grabbed the mic. He stopped the music. Hey, we the Warriors. We come to your city, we take you out bitches. We beat y'all team.

What's up, Barnsie Woods and Luther Hacker, they was in the club. What's up, Barnsie Woods? We gang bang and he paused. And we sell drugs. We like, oh, dog. Coppo, I told you, Pop. I told you.

We like, oh man, somebody go get this nigga out. This is New Year's in Houston, bro. So look, and we sell drugs. Hold on, this for the time I don't know. We get outside, police everywhere. The police is everywhere, you know what I'm saying? People outside, they had a fight or something. So we all coming out, you know, we deep

and the police saying something to us. This nigga B tells the police, stand down. I am an honorary captain. I have this under control. Stand down dog. This nigga told HBD to stand down. I am an honorary captain dog. We was out there dying dog.

That was one of the best nights of our, but that's the type of nights you have every night, dog. Every night, everybody had a different, we just called J. Rich, dog, Julio. Cause that was his favorite drink. Back then. Back then, we was drinking shit out the bar back then. Yeah, yeah. We was wild, dog.

I don't know, cause I heard them stories about Charbro. I just didn't know how y'all got up and still went out and handled business. Miami. That night. We played in Orlando. We beat Orlando. We fly straight to Miami on the back to back.

We stay out to 7.30 in the morning, the whole team. We all just go straight from the club to the bus. We get on the bus. Every, Eric at the time, he's one of the best trainers in the league for the Warriors. So he brought all our stuff on the bus. So everybody on the bus with the clothes they had on from the game, Orlando.

That is crazy. We go to shoot around, Nelly walk out. It's about two people on the court shooting. Everybody else. Dosing off, smelling like alcohol. He's like, hold on, bring it in, bring it in. We bring it in, he like, man, go get back on the bus and we better win tonight.

One by 30, this D Wade now. That's crazy. One by 30. I thought we partied when I was a rookie on Atlanta with Biggie and them. Y'all different. Yeah, that's what I was saying. I didn't know if he was comfortable talking about that,

but I just heard about Char, bro. That's what made me sponge to y'all because I'm a fraud, they got to fuck it. Fuck, the NBA is a joke. Stacking them roads, nigga, stacking them, a fraud, they got to fuck with me. But the NBA is a joke. Second in row, second in pitch. You know what I mean? It's a joke. We live with.

Nah, I ain't gonna lie though. If I would have took the Game of Thrones series, I probably would have had a couple of all-star games, you know what I'm saying? Without the brawl shit, but I don't change it for nothing. Cause I enjoyed my career, bro. You know what I'm saying? I enjoyed it.

And I played with some solid brothers too. How was that? Can you speak on that Maverick series though? For me, bro, I watched that series a lot because I didn't get the credit from the team for what I did. I saved us in the Western Conference Finals. I saved us bro.

Janobli was the only person that was being solid. Tony wasn't playing well because they had to bring Speedy Clax in the end. Tim was getting doubled so he really couldn't get off and Dave was old. They wasn't playing well, because they had to bring Speedy Clackson in. Tim was getting doubled, so he really couldn't get off, and Dave was old. They weren't really doing that. So if you look at the games, I'm making all the big shots, even when we have, we going through droughts,

I'm the only one scoring. So when the last, when it came to game six, when they ended up putting Steve Kerr in and hit those four threes, it was big for us. But look at the whole game. I carried us the whole game and was still making big shots for them to give him the MVP at the end of the game. Like that shit crushed me.

And the only reason that I don't talk about this a lot because Janobli came to me when I was in my locker. I was about to start crying, but he came like, bro, you deserved an MVP. For him to tell me that, I was cool. Cause that was the only person on the court, that whole series that was riding with me. You know what I'm saying?

Right. And it meant a lot, but I watched that series a lot bro, cause I don't feel like I got the credit I deserved for that series. I was busting they ass. And I was high every game. Every game. Every game.

Now you a legend. Now I want to talk about that Maverick series with you with Golden State though. Oh, okay. Oh yeah. I thought you were talking about the one with the spurs. So that one was special because a lot of people don't know Don Nelson was suing him. Oh, damn.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. You know, he had some contract shit with Mark Cuban. So he was suing him during that time. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So his whole idea was, every time I play Dallas, I want to beat them. I don't care about nothing else.

And he knew Dirk's game better than anybody. So he gave us the blueprint, make him go right. If he go left, he got so many, the fade away he got, but if going right, he don't even want to put the ball down. Damn. So me and Matt made sure we made him go right every time. And we was super physical with him.

You know what I'm saying? Dirk wasn't super physical. If you let him get the shot off, that's your ass. Nothing you can do. You know what I'm saying? Dirk wasn't super physical. If you let him get that shot off, that's your ass. Nothing you can do. You know what I'm saying? There's nothing you can do. And he won MVP that year. He was the MVP that year.

That was the best team in the West. So I just think Donnie Nelson prepared us so well for them. You know what I'm saying? Because that's all, because after we beat them, he didn't care about the rest of the season. Nigga, we was preparing ourselves for the second round against Utah. He didn't give a fuck.

He was showing up with four cigars in his pocket, eight in the morning, he got drinking beer and shit. He didn't give a damn, dog, after he beat Dallas. That was his chip this year. That was his chip, bro. And we understood that's why we went so hard, but if we don't have Baron Davis, the way he played game one, we don't win that series in Dallas. He went crazy that game one, we don't win that series in Dallas. He went crazy that game one, bro.

30 some points, and he kept, all his shots was timely. He cold. He's one of the coldest point guards ever. That's my nigga, shout out to my nigga Phil. He love, he a one time. I ain't watched the NBA like that. And him and Gilbert Arenas was the first, some of the first point guards I've watched.

BD don't get hurt. He might go down to top 10 point guard ever. He don't get hurt. I agree bro. Cause athleticism he had it all. He could score. That's why I like him. He had the body work.

He was mad. I said he had a BBL, but. Yeah, no he did. He know he did. He know he did. He know he did. I got a worst turn around. We had the light bulb.

That's what I mean. I said, you got a worst turn around. You done this shit. I don't know. That's my nigga. That nigga Beady just showed a work strainer on when you done this shit. I said, damn. That nigga BD just showed up in practice with his knee braces on top of his sweat. OG for real. Man, so this is when I started, fuck, I used to watch you do the show with Skip Bales and shit and you used to go on there and be real.

And every one time you talked about everybody, you was better than. And everybody was mad at you. I was like, no, he just confident as fuck. Thank you, bro. Thank you, bro. And like, I didn't have a better career than Ray Allen. But if you look at the games I played against a lot of these people, I balled out.

A lot of, we might not have won the game, but my matches with a lot of these people who y'all look up to, I bust they ass a lot of nights and locked them up. And you can go look at the games. I'm not making it up. I'm not, like I said, I didn't have better careers than these people,

but I'm a competitor. And when it came to the game, yeah, I wasn't a better shooter than Ray Allen, but I'm a better poster player. I passed better. I was a better defender. I was a lot of things better than him on the court. You know what I'm saying?

So as a player, people will understand that as a fan, they like, oh, you just hating, but I did it in real time. I don't think you was hating. That's just, you know. And I admit they had better careers than me. I would have a better career than Vince either. But Vince, to tell you, I had some great games against him.

But they understand it's different when you just be like, let's go hoop, roll the ball out. Like, it's a bunch of people that probably are busting my ass. They probably didn't have a better career than me. Too many people can stay in front of you. So that they lose right there. Yeah, but if you just roll, like, Jordan Crawford, like that's my man.

But if you roll the ball out, say let's just go hoop. Yeah. He'll fuck around and give you 50. Yes, he will. He can score. I seen him do it in big three. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like he'll roll the ball out, he'll give buckets.

Ain't a lot of people can out score him. Bro, that one was a motherfucker though. He was, bro. He was. And then walking down and I, I love you Jack, that nigga Jesus Shuttlesworth. Is that the truth? He's crazy. No, he was the truth.

For him to transition his career from, cause we grew up Milwaukee Bugs supersonic, Ray Allen. And for him to go strictly just shooter, I remember, you know what I mean? I don't know how he was off the court, but Jesus Shuttlesworth. Nah, he was cool. Was thang how he was off the court, but Jesus Shuttle's worth. Nah, he was caught. Was thanged.

He was athletic. Bro, and he had, he low-key had a handle. The pull up off the dribble, he was the first pull up. Superstar Gray Yellow was caught. Milwaukee. Milwaukee Ray was caught. Milwaukee Ray was out of control.

Big dog was going crazy. Bro, he was scoring 25 a night with another nigga, Rashard Lewis, bro. Another motherfucker that people don't speak on. I took it as you was talking about, we rolled a ball out and there ain't no plays. We don't got a... I knew what you meant.

I thought you meant like, we just put the ball out here, I can kill him too. And any given night, I could be better than any one of them guys. 100%. So speaking on that though, you know you was known for defending and shit. Who was the hardest, or you can give us two,

hardest motherfucker to guard? Kobe? Not even close. Who else though? One person, because I guarded what you gotta think of. Did you ever guard Melo? Yeah, I got Melo. I got Melo pretty good.

I got Melo pretty good. Cause you know, I played one through four, so I guarded power fours too. But I think for me, if it ain't Kobe. Somebody that nobody would think. They used to be like, God damn this nigga cold. Brandon motherfucking Roy. And B Roy.

Woo! I had problems with that nigga. We used to go at it though, but he was different bro. Like no injury. He one of the coldest ever. One of my favorite shooting guards of all time. Nah, B Roy. Hands down no injury. He one of the coldest ever. One of my favorite shooting guards of all time. Nah, B-Roy. Hands down, B-Roy is one of the best basketball players

I ever had to guard. Not even close. All right, he get his flyer slot on this show, bro. Yeah. I mean, Drew Holiday probably can smoke a lot. He's the more clever, so yeah. Nah, for sure. I gotta ask both of y'all.

Y'all both played in this city and lived in the city at the same time, you know what I'm saying? You did a little bit before you did. To see the city as now, but how was it to be in the city as it was growing until the mecca was now and then how was it playing when it was already lit on the come up? When it was cracking. I came in 03 and it was beautiful because it was, Atlanta was at its height. It was at its height around that time. You know what I'm saying? That's when BMF was doing their thing.

The rap scene was solid, everybody. But that time, it wasn't no beef. Like, you got people beefing now. Like, everybody supported each other. Everybody hung out together. Everybody went to the same, when Alice had a party, everybody was there. Like, back then, everybody was having a good time.

And I think it was because of people like Meach. Cause when he used to come in the clubs, he come in the clubs, but it wasn't no problems. Like he used to buy bottles for everybody in the section. So, you know what I'm saying? Like everybody was having a good time back then. It wasn't no competition, you know what I'm saying? Like it is now in the different hoods beef.

And so the club and the party, it was the best time to be in Atlanta, bro. It was the best time to be in Atlanta. Now it's just too much with the pills and the party, it was the best time to be in Atlanta, bro. It was the best time to be in. Now it's just too much with the pills and the drugs and the kids killing, you know what I'm saying? It's just blind leading the blind now. But back then, at that height, Magic City and Club Miami and all that shit back then, bro, Atlanta was beautiful.

You wanted to be in Atlanta. Damn. Even when I got here, it was still fun. When you got here? I got here in 2009. 2009, yeah. I still was having fun. I remember the first time that I really,

well, it was Antoine Walker was there. His first time I ever been to Magic City. Oh my God, yeah. Antoine Walker. Never been to a twad like that. Same twad. That's my dog. That's my nigga, Twad.

That's my dog. He showed me some good times. Man, I go to Magic City. I end up going in there and he got a briefcase. This I ain't, you know, I'm from Indianapolis. I ain't never seen a briefcase full of ones. They bring the briefcase out to me, open up things with 10,000 ones or something.

And they like, nah, Twon, get that every Monday. I'm like, what the fuck? You know what I mean? I'm like, and he like, young fella. So he throw me a thousand dollar young fella. And Smooth like, that's my OG. I'm like, ah, yeah, this is different. That's how we grew up. It's like, yeah,. He throw me a thousand dollars, young fella. And Smooth like, that's my OG. I'm like, ah yeah, this different. It's like, yeah, he come every Monday.

He ain't shit. Every Monday. But we stayed in that motherfucker, bro. Shout out to the A, baby. We stayed in that motherfucker. I see you, man. It was safe. It was safe.

You didn't got to worry about no cameras. You know what I'm saying? Like something about Magic City, man, where it was like, you don't hear no stories. No. Also that one, you ain't never heard no stories about no bullshit going on in Magic City because everybody was protected and safe. Everybody had a good time.

I seen you in there a couple of times, just showing love, you be chilling. I was like, I ain't really lie as you was that tall. Like when I got drafted, I ain't realize niggas was that tall. You know, at school, your point, I'm six and one. I played the two sometimes. When I got here and I seen him, I'm like, this nigga's six, eight. Two go hard. Six, nine, what the fuck?

Like when I see him, I'm like, man, I ain't got no chance, man. I played a two sometimes. This nigga was huge. And he come just running around, nigga. I gotta ask you, like you said, all the smoke, man, you and Matt went crazy. How was that, you know what I'm saying?

Y'all had a relationship. Now y'all come as business partners. Like you said, trailblazers in the situation with y'all knuckleheads, to see how y'all started and to where you is now, man. Like what's thinking back? How is'all knuckleheads to see how y'all started into where you is now, man. Like what's thinking back, how is that feeling, man, to see how y'all progressed so far? It ain't nothing but God, bro, to be honest, bro.

Cause you know, like I ain't no different to y'all. We ain't no different to y'all. A lot of times, especially after the back of our careers in, guys like me and Matt don't get these opportunities. They give them to the guys that was the stars, that was on the commercials and all that shit. Well, I think God just put us in the perfect time because when me and Matt both decided

to stop doing Fox ESPN, we ended up coming up with All the Smoke. And we brought it to a woman named Ellen Reckerton. Ellen Reckerton was the woman who started Red Table Talk. Okay. Oh, Lord. She started Red Table Talk. Shout out to her.

And her and Matt like this. Shout out to you. She started Red Table Talk. Chow time. And her and Matt like this. That's Matt girl. She ended up calling Brian Daly. Brian Daly was the VP of sports at Showtime. They was looking to put up another sports show, but they didn't know, they wanted to have a sports show, but they didn't know about podcasts.

We didn't even know about podcasts. When Matt told me about it, I'm like, what is it? And when Matt brought him an idea, they said, cool, Matt, we'll do it with you, but we don't want Steven Jackson. Damn. Damn. Damn. We heard a lot of stuff about him.

Matt was like, I ain't doing it if it ain't him. I'm not doing it. Shout out to Matt real next. Yeah, I'm not doing it. And the first, we do the first photo shoot for it. We smoking and shit. We smoking and shit on the photo shoot. I got my shirt off like a rap album and shit.

Hold up, man. Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. This might not work, man. We might not, I don't think we can showtime and get behind this. But they got behind it, bro. And you know, we ended up cleaning it up a little bit. We smoked on some shows, but we ended up cleaning it up to the point where we end up doing a deal with our heart for our audio and we end up building our relationship with Showtime. So now we're five years in. So it ended up where five years into podcast now,

Paramount buy Showtime. They buy and they want to get rid of all of their properties, the social properties, the boxing, and Showtime boxing was the biggest thing that they had. So during that time, Brian Daly, which is the VP, he knew that Showtime was about to get bought out. So he had an idea with him and Matt, let's start our own production company.

So while we were still with Showtime, we started building all the smoke productions with Daybrit. You know what I'm saying? Started building all the smoke productions. And during that time, I had gotten into boxing, where I started doing the weigh-ins for boxing, I started doing the interviews with Tank,

and Tank started wanting me in all his fights and shit like that. So I got into the box. So when Showtime had to buy, when Paramount was buying us out, Brian finessed some type of way where we own all Showtime boxing properties now. So now Showtime boxing is all the smoke fight

and all the smoke boxing. So we finna be a big player in the box space now. We're going to put on our own fights, taking that whole blueprint and doing that now. So I think for us with the production company show, we have a partnership with Draft Kings, where we have a number of shows on their network. I think just the fact that we were able to build so much stuff from just starting with the podcast. You know what I'm saying? That's why the sky's the limit for y'all because y'all done so much in a short time. But for us to be able to build a box and the podcast and the production company and start

doing live shows, that ain't nothing but garble because we didn't expect, we didn't know what we was doing. We didn't have no blueprint to it. We just jumped out there and leave. But the timing and everything worked to our favor, you know, with Paramount and all that, everything. So I would say it was God, but because a lot of stuff that happened with us,

it was just perfect timing for us to be where we at now. Did y'all put that better than KG back? Yes, so we had a lot to do with KG Certified. You know, we have a show called Certified Smoke, where we do a cross show with them, you know what I'm saying? And we was doing a lot of business. We was actually producing their shows

with all the smoke production. I think they're going and they're doing their own stuff now. You know, trying to do their own algorithm and stuff now. But we still a family. We still do Certified Smoke, but definitely, we definitely started them. We have the show with Rondo and Boogie, Bully Ball. We have Rachel Nichols.

You know, we're building some other properties now. But all on the boxing side, we have Andre Ward and Roy Jones, we just signed them. So it's been a blessing, man. We're just trying to continue to build this because they don't expect stuff like this to happen from guys like us. You know what I'm saying?

They don't expect that, but I'll follow Matt anyway. I think Matt and Brian, Brian Daly has been big for us because they have that mindset. Like I haven't been in one meeting, I haven't missed one check. You know what I'm saying? My job ain't to be in the meetings because I know that ain't my specialty.

I didn't go to school, Matt and went to school for that shit. When it's time to collect money, when it's time to show up and to entertain, I know my job. So we, everybody in our, you know, I left small 12 people on our roster. You know, everybody got a job to do.

And I think we depend on everybody to do their job because you know, everybody want to play their role and be a star of their own role. And that's one. I think we depend on everybody to do their job because everybody wanna play their role and be a star of their own role. And that's one thing I think people don't realize, with these opportunities, yeah, it might start off as a podcast, but we have an opportunity for, especially black entrepreneurs,

to build enterprises off of this stuff. Like you said, you go into a Showtime box. I kept seeing you at the box and stuff, so now it's all making sense. It's making sense, yeah. But that's dope. You getting collected intellectual properties that they don't give us the opportunity to have.

Look what had to happen for y'all They even have an opportunity because those cable networks don't feel they sell or they just get bigger Yeah, so that's dope to see y'all capitalize on that shows of the business mind. Like you said everybody play their part That's a dope part ain't nobody getting out of pocket anybody getting too greedy We got an operation guy machine to keep flowing and it's dope to see that for y'all man. We see that Bro And it's dope to see that for y'all, man. We love to see that. It's so good. I wanna ask you, bro, he did his first thing with Q this year with the big three. With you, it was like one of the pioneers

kicked that shit off, bro. How did that come about? So for me, when the big three first started, I was excited because I knew how, I was one of those guys that wanted to play basketball. And I wasn't going overseas. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't doing those shit like that. But that wanted to play basketball. And I wasn't going overseas. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't doing no shit like that.

But I wanted to play right here. And Q, a lot of the guys that Q liked watching play was retirement and leaving the game. So when he started the league, he was like, bro, I want to start this league. I want to do a combine in Vegas just to see what the league was like. So during that time, I was doing two a days.

I was working out hard. I got swole, like, all right, cause I got back into that mode. You know what I'm saying? I got back into the basketball mode. And when we got there, I seen a lot. I was working out hard. I got swole like I because I got back into that mode You know I'm saying I got back into the basketball mode when we got there I seen a lot of guys wasn't in shape and I seen a lot of guys think like man I'm just gonna get this check. Yeah guarantee 10,000 a week. I ain't gonna work I was gonna show up and get this money. No, you're not. Yeah First game in a first day while they have the combine cube asked me and Al and Katina and Corbett get it play like a Just like a test game

to see what the league would be like. And I took that shit too serious. You know what I'm saying? Because I did, you know what I'm saying? Because I really wanted to set the tone because I seen how niggas was approaching this shit, how they was showing up all fat and out of shape. I'm not finna be, like if y'all gonna show up like this,

and I'm gonna give everybody 100 points every night. You know what I'm saying? That was my attitude. You know what I'm saying? So that scrimmage I was talking, she know me and Al best friends. I was calling Al bitches, cursing him out. Like we was like, me and Corey's brothers,

like we was going at each other for that little short time. But everybody's like a hundred people in the gym. Everybody saw like, hey, this what the league gonna be like. And Q was excited, like, that's what I needed. That's what I needed. And I was happy to not only play in the big three, but shit, we all looked up to Ice Cube.

Like, I look up to fucking Q, how could I not be in his league? And the fact that he say I had a big part in, you know what I'm saying? That meant everything to me, dog. So that's why I still coach now. That's why I'm still involved in the league now. You know what I'm saying?

Because I know where he wants to go with the league and we all have an opportunity to benefit off something great. You know what I'm saying? Something that the black person is building. So I'm gonna always be down with him. You know what I'm saying? Even if he's just coaching like I'm doing now, I'm gonna be a part of the league.

He said that half court bigger than what niggas think. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I went out there and bullshitted that first one. I said, shit, that's an NBA court. He was like, yeah, he thought this shit was easy. And I was like, hell yeah. Bro, I used to, my first, my year's plan, all my points was on the block.

I hit a couple threes, but I'm a big two guard. So, regardless of, nine out of 10 people that I play against in the big three, I'm gonna have advantage on the block. You know what I'm saying? And I abused that shit, but that's how I had success, but when Joe came, it was over. I ain't the biggest Gatsuko artist on the whole.

Joe hell nah, Joe punishing everybody. That's a 6'8, 260. With the hair and all, he had it all. Still getting to it. That's been my name since my whole career though. Joe used to bust my ass my whole career though. Oh, so that's one. That's one that is easy to handle. We used to go out but like Joe spunked me around. I remember

Joe spunked me around one time. Oh I do remember that shit. I reached him and he put him behind his back and he spunked me around. Cause I came to the bitch I was like you got him straight like that. Yeah like why you be so hyped? Cause I think it was like a foul happened or something. Yeah, I had to foul him because he spun me around. Ain't nobody never fall. A.I. made me stumble and Joe spun me around, but ain't nobody never made me fall. You know who made me fall? Flip. Flip Merv?

He made me fall. What is you with? My first preseason game, he was on the Bobcats. He was in Atlanta the year before and they didn't pick up his options. I was on that team. First preseason game, he went, snatched back. I looked at the bench, Joe Smith had a towel like this. Smooth was like this.

Benny was standing up like, holla at this shit. I was like, Benny, waved the towel, welcome to the league, welcome to the league. I was hurt. I was playing defense so hard, the next possession, dude was like, it's cool, but you know, flip like, shit. Flip was a bucket getter though. Yeah he was.

That was another underrated one for sure. For sure. Did y'all win that chip the first year of the big three? No, no, so I wasn't, I was on kill the threes at that time. Trulogy went 10 and 0. That's Al and Kance. They went and it was Machar McCants. Yeah.

Al and Machar McCants walked everybody down for 10 games. 25, you get 25, I get 25. And nobody could guard Al. I'm talking about Al. Al and Michal McCants was low key on style by that first year. They dominated that first year. Isaiah was playing this year on y'all team.

I was like, nigga, you gonna post up the whole game? And I hear you like, go back down. Make it easy. Go back down. Make it easy. Go back down. Make it easy. These niggas gonna make you chase them out there. You ain't faster than these motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying?

Way them down. I said, fuck this. And look, and he stopped posting up and guess what happened? They walked us down. They walked us down. I said, what do you mean? And he got tied.

Then I tell him, I say, boy, you try to guard these niggas out here. I way out here, you gonna be tied. And guess what he did at the end of the game? Dumb foul. Cause he got tied. I tell him, I say, boy, you try to guard these niggas out here, you're gonna be tied. And guess what he did at the end of the game? Dumb foul, cause he was tied. I told them niggas they gonna walk us down. We not a fast team. We gotta use our size.

They walked us down. It's a big moment in the big three. That's a historic big three game right there. They walked us down though. That was a fun game. They walked us down. Can you speak on the moment you and Oak had? Yeah, so what people don't know is that,

so that's one of my best friends in the world. We talk all the time. So it was just a moment where two competitors, so Oak wants to win just as bad as I do. We was in Texas, so I feel like anywhere in Texas, I can get anybody murdered. That's just how I feel. I'm that live in Texas.

You know what I mean? I'm just keeping it real. You know what I'm saying? If I wanted to, I'm in peace. I'm in peace with everybody. But if I wanted to, I can make some shit happen in Texas. You know what I'm saying?

And I was, my adrenaline was pumping. His adrenaline was pumping. He took me out to the game because I was arguing with the refs. And he's like, man, get back in the game. I'm like, I told him something. I was like, I said something., can you back in the game? I'm like, I told him something. I was like, I said something, I'm going back in the game. He was like, no, you not.

I'm like, who gonna stop me? He was like, I'm gonna stop him. You know where you at? I'm like, that's a reminder, we in Texas. We know where you at? Nigga, okay, back with the hardest shit ever. Nigga, I'm like American Airlines, I'm everywhere. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like American Airlines, I'm everywhere. We going back and forth to it.

He knew what he was doing though, cause I got mad when I did not end up winning the game. And we had to bar together right after, not even talking about it, but that's just our passion for wanting to win. You know what I'm saying? And like, he knew he needed me in the game for us to win. You know what I'm saying?

I wasn't understanding that my adrenaline was pumping, but that's my guy, dog. That's just two fiery win. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't understanding that. My adrenaline was pumping, but that's my guy, dog. That's just two fiery guys, you know what I'm saying? Trying to win and just emotions balled over. That's some shit I saw on the internet. There's nobody I respect more than Charles Oakley. Shout out to the OG. Before we get out of here, man, tell the people,

you know what I'm saying? Y'all entrepreneurs, y'all got the liquor on the way for the people, man. Oh man, appreciate that. We have a mezcal that just dropped called the Neos. It's in like 10 to 15 states right now. It's not in Atlanta yet, but it's on the West Coast in New York

that we sold out already in LA. And we also have a coffee table book. The first podcast with a coffee table book with Smith and Schuster, called All The Smoke Coffee Table Book that's out right now as well. Appreciate y'all. We gotta put it on the desk

It don't nobody like To be a part of that liquor brand Shout out to my smoke team Matt Brian Johnny Brian Jelani. Shout out to Matt, y'all. What a show, love, bro. Love Matt. Gave me some advice early on the podcast, man, too. And then let me say this too, bro.

I'm glad y'all doing the show because a lot of people think, me and Matt always try to say this on our show, it ain't no competition. That's why, if y'all look at my Instagram, I be shouting out all kinds of shows all the time, different shows, shows that I don't even know, because I want people to know it's enough

for all of us out here. There ain't no competition. They want us to think because we all black and we all have this certain talent to be in front of this camera and to draw people in that we in competition. We're not in competition because we all have our own different stories and our stories are different.

So I want people to understand that your voice is just as big as anybody else's voice. You know, to just believe in your shit. And that's why I'm glad y'all doing y'all shit, bro. And I'm honored to be here. I love it, bro. We gonna do this again, man. Before we get out of here, we gotta ask him about it.

I don't talk for sure. Oh, the VP. Oh, the VP. Ooh, that's a good question. Yeah. So me and Matt argued for four days. Yeah. When I got to, what we did it, baby,

what we did it at? In DC, we went to the VP house. When I got there, Matt was calling me to, it's true story, he was calling me to come out to eat. I'm not asking, I'm screening his phone call. I don't wanna be here, nigga. I don't wanna be in politics. I don't wanna do this.

Am I lying, baby? We at home, me and Matt arguing. Like we arguing about the shit because the people that support me are not, they look at shit how I look at it like. They're fucking with politics. The answers to equality and to making America the way it's supposed to be is not rocket science.

It's not rocket science, bro. Y'all know how to give equality to make people equal? Just how y'all put people ahead of us. So the same way to do that is to make it, equality is real simple, dawg. Just give people what they need. It's not rocket science. So that's why I don't wanna be in politics

because there's a lot of hope dealing. That's what they in the, they in the hope dealing. They ain't into actually trying to fix shit. They want you to make, they wanna make you think that they got the ideas or they got plans to fix shit and shit never gets fixed. So that's why I didn't wanna be in politics. And I seen the first hand with the George Floyd situation.

So when Matt was telling me about going to interview the VP, I'm not with it because the people that support me feel the same way I feel. I don't trust her. I know it's all bullshit. Nobody's really for us. I'm the president of my household. You know what I'm saying? I don't give a fuck about who the president.

I'm the president of my shit. You know what I'm saying? And that's how I looked at it. So Matt's looking at it as from a business side. What's this going to do for our show? What's this going to do for our show? What is this gonna do for our production company? I'm not thinking that, man, fuck that.

You know, I'm not, you know, I'm just so the whole, I'm telling you, even the day before, she'll tell you, I'm in my room. Matt is calling me to come prep. Nigga, I'm not answering my phone. No, nigga, I can show you messages. I'm gonna show y'all, let you know how real it is, nigga. Cause y'all are my partners.

I'm gonna show you how real, this is how I was doing him when he was sending me the messages bro. I'm gonna show you how I was doing him. Damn, you don't wanna hear about the collard greens nigga in the tub nigga. I don't wanna hear about that. I did not wanna go bro. Damn gang.

Bro I'm gonna show y'all, hold on. This the messages my bro was sending me, look. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Look, he texted, he told me something. I say, he say, I don't wanna, look, he say, so you're not gonna, you're gonna pout and ignore me the whole time, you don't wanna smoke? Look, I say, I don't wanna smoke, don't wanna hang out, don't wanna eat nothing.

Do my job, look, do my job and be out, nigga. He's like, do you wanna play COD, trying to be funny? Nigga, look. Oh, okay. I'm gonna send you a video. I'm gonna send you a video, he's being an asshole. You know what I'm saying? That's how y'all know y'all brothers right there.

I was not talking to him, dawg. So even look, Matt said on the show, even when we got to the BP house, I'm sitting in there like this. You know me, JT. I want my emotions on my sleeve, bro. I can't have, I'm... I don't know. Don't want to be here because I know, perfect example.

I told him, asked my wife, I said, why don't you go do it? They came back. We don't want go do it? They came back. We don't want to do it without him. Because I'm the face of the biggest civil rights movement ever with the George Floyd shit. I know why y'all want me there.

You're using me as a pawn. I know what you're doing. Everybody else might not see it, but I see it, you know what I'm saying? And I wanted to benefit from this shit. I'm not thinking business-wise. Bro, I'm glad I did that shit. You know how much shit came

from us doing the interview? All kind of shit coming in. So Matt was right, I always follow him with business wise. You know what I'm saying? But I did not want to, and I still don't want to be in politics, you know what I'm saying? But let me say this too. They say what's your why for voting?

I found my why. What is it? And let me tell you why I found my why. I can't talk too much about it, but I was recently tased by the police from behind. I got stitches in my chin right now. Tased from behind just because I was a big guy. Recently, bro.

And me seeing the George Floyd shit, dealing with the police and all that time, how they was treating me. Donald Trump is talking about giving police immunity. So I found my why. I can't live my life with the police treating y'all, my sons or anybody the way they planning to treat us, bro. So that's my wife of vote.

I just found my wife, especially after how they treated me. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't even know no dumb shit. He told me he tased me because I was a big guy. I broke two teeth in the back, all that. So I'm just saying that's my wife, especially since being through it now, I've never voted, I don't believe in politics.

But if I had to vote, that would be my why. Because I don't want him to give police immunity, because they already treating us like shit. Just imagine what they're gonna do if they know they can get away with it. All right. Shred up. We're gonna have all my conversation

about that situation. Shout out to Freaky Mike. Shout out to them collard greens, D. That's right. I'm in here. Come on, man. I did hear that story now. Shout out to Freaky Mike. Yeah. Shout out to them collard greens, diggit? That's how it been. Come on, man. Hey, I did hear that story now. I've been eating collard greens all my life.

I've never seen them get cleaned in a bathtub. It took this nigga a couple of hours, I told you. I've never seen a thing cleaned in a bathtub, my nigga. I'm sorry. This nigga said that shit every show, bro. Whenever you see anybody clean, green, they gonna fill that sink up on both sides. I don't know why, they gonna fill that sink up on both sides. All my life.

They gonna fill that sink up on both sides. They ain't nobody going to the bathroom. We in the kitchen, nigga. We in the kitchen, nigga. Where your ass at. On everything. Where your ass at. And put collard greens in the tub, man.

Collard greens weak as hell. Come on now. I ain't going. Next time somebody asks her who her favorite rapper is, rapper is, it can't be Tupac, cause they say, who's your favorite rapper? That's a lie, and she said Tupac. Cause they say, who's your favorite rapper that's alive? And she said Tupac.

I know what she meant. We ain't go judging for that. She's milly vanilla. Yeah. And we are goddamn. We're gonna do this again, man. We ain't tell people that grass is burnt, chat. Shopclub520.com, we got merch there, baby.

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