Club Shay Shay - Club 520 - Tiara Thomas on Rihanna taking her song, Beyonce, her cousin Isaiah Thomas

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 23 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by singer/songwriter Tiara Thomas to discuss all things music, basketball, and life. Tiara tells a story of making “Bad” with Wale, and originally feeling salty when she heard Rihanna on the remix. Tiara then talks about being cousins with Isaiah Thomas, getting tickets to a Celtics-Lakers game, and much more! #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Special guest to my left, we're going to introduce her last, but to my far left, we got my dog, Bishop, be hein' out the prellies. My nigga, how you doing today? Cool, and actually, actually let's get to it we got a music vet in this today yeah so you'll have to listen to her opinion over yours today you know what i'm saying to my right my dog he uh will know about his music takes right now still young nacho young t how you

what man listen i'm still rolling with all right mike right, Mike's the greatest. All right, I'm done. We ain't gonna worry about that. But my feet, I got some old school dunks. My knees was about to dough, man. I hoop today in these, actually. My feet kind of hurt right now. I see why.

Yeah. That's crazy. You look at them old shoes, the niggas was probably geeked it like when they first got them. Like when the dunks came out, niggas was geeked. But they was playing in Chuck,

so that shit was an upgrade. Yeah, definitely. But, man, it's cool. Sure. Yeah. But to my left, you know what I'm saying? We got a legend from the city, songwriter, Grammy winner,

award-winning artist, Miss Tierra Thomas. How you doing today? Hey, what's up? I'm doing great. I appreciate you put up the 520. You said what? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. Hey, we appreciate you being here. We already started the show with a frog question, you know what I'm saying? Obviously, you're into music. What's one song that you was like, damn, I wish I had or you was a part of and then maybe like got switched up or your dream song?

Ooh, that's a good one. I gave you a whole bunch of options that you can't bow out of. That I wish I was a part of. I want to say like some ratchet shit, but it's actually probably any Lauryn Hill song from Miss Education of Lauryn Hill. He's a big Lauryn Hill fan to your left. Yeah.

We just had a great part about her. Good taste. Good taste. Yeah. Probably anything that I would have loved to work on anything on that project, but I was still such, I was so young being influenced still during that point. So, yeah.

What was the ratchet song? Or the ratchet project? A ratchet project. Maybe some Migos shit. Early Migos. You was in Atlanta for that. Yeah, I remember they was doing Pokemon and shit but uh they had a song called Pokemon I'll never forget it gotta catch them all something like

that but I've never heard a song about life it didn't come out but oh damn no I was gonna ask you so was it like Lauryn Hill from Sister Act that got you because that's the only reason I like Lauryn Hill because of Sister Act no it was like it was like Lauryn Hill, Lauryn Hill. So the way I grew up, I wasn't allowed to really listen to hip hop music. So the way I heard hip hop music was listening to my older brother's mixtapes and stuff. That's why I discovered like Three 6 Mafia, Biggie, Tupac, Project, like literally all the- You Indianapolis for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 3-6 Mafia, you gotta be from that place.

Yeah, yeah. Project Pet, shout out to DJ Black. Yeah, for sure. And so, yeah, I gravitated towards, I listened, I grew up on a lot of different type of music. I listened to music that people would be like, quote unquote, consider white people music. And then also I gravitated towards Lauryn Hill just because I loved her tone. And like she had like this deep, soulful voice and I wasn't used to hearing

voices like that because usually the girls, they sound like real girly and feminine. And so I loved her tone and I loved the fact that she played guitar and I wanted to learn how to play guitar. So yeah, that's why I gravitated towards her. But then Sister Act though, Sister Act is fire.

It's a fire movie for sure. Would you pay tickets for her concert? Would I pay tickets? I would, I would. Oh yeah, see it.

Listen, I've seen Lauryn Hill before. It was for free and she did show up. She was there. On time? I don't remember. I don't think so. I don't think so. But I'm definitely going to support Lauryn Hill like forever because she's been a huge inspiration to me.

So, would I buy tickets? Yeah, I'd buy tickets to Lauryn Hill. Maybe not super in advance, like you buy Beyonce tickets super in advance. But, you know, I would definitely buy tickets to see Lauryn if they weren't free. That's real? Yeah.

I won't. Dang. Keep it a bean with you. I don't think she gonna show up. Dang. Yeah, she just not trustworthy. Surely she reimbursing, though, if she don't want to show up. Surely. Yeah, that's out of pocket, though. Yeah, I just not trustworthy. Surely she reimbursing, though, if she don't want to show up, surely.

Yeah, that's out of pocket, though. Yeah, I'm going to need that black. That's like you getting booked for a show and you just not pulling up and say, hey, I got y'all next time. That's crazy. Yeah, that would be crazy. That's a little crazy. Favorite concert you ever been to?

My favorite? Oh. Yeah, we can go to the line. Favorite concert, yeah? Bishop, go ahead. That's a good one. Drake verse one. Just because they...

I'm a concert boy, so I've never seen a battle in a concert with two major artists like that. So that was different. T? I would say it would be between

Beyonce. I've seen her twice. Damn. You paid for them high-ass tickets? I did. I did pay for those tickets. Damn. Drake.

Drake was pretty amazing. I saw him in Houston. And Random Experience. Oh, Coldplay. I fuck with that. That shit was fire. You wasn't in the bullshit, though, was you? You was up in the...

No, I was like backstage. Well, because her, I just went on tour with her. Not even, I wasn't even performing. I just got on the tour bus just to go on tour with her and Coldplay. Oh, okay. So I would go to the shows.

And that was like one of my favorite bands growing up. Because I told you I wasn't allowed to listen to rap music, so I was listening to bands and shit. So I was listening to Coldplay. So that was amazing. Coldplay, Fall Out Boy, those were dope concerts. See? I ain't

going to no Call Out. What they call it? Fall Out Boy? Coldplay, Hotplay, I ain't messing with them. You fucked me in sync. The best concert No call out What they call Fall out boy Yeah Call out play Hot play I ain't messing with them He fucked with NSYNC The best concert That's hard I did fuck with NSYNC

Me too Yeah Ain't that Justin Timberlake though I get them in a Backstreet Boys Mixed up my fuck That's that trip Yeah Yeah

But I went to I went to a Jay-Z and Jeezy concert That was probably my favorite concert ever And then The Rod Wave concert was Damn That's how you That boy was special And then the Ryle Wave concert was... Damn, that's right. That boy was special, bro. I ain't gonna hold you back.

Shout out to my dog, Henny, bro. He took me to the Ryle Wave concert. No, you took us. I did take you. I'm a fool. But he inspired me to go. I had a great time at Ryle Wave. I was crying, happy.

One time, I ain't never been depressed and excited. My nigga wanted to hate on that concert so bad. I said, I don't never been depressed and excited at one time. on that concert so bad. I said, I don't know what emotion to have right now. He was like,

I play for the Pacers. There's never been this many people here. On the first one, I ain't saying that. It was a couple games when we was in the playoffs, it was like that.

But then it got crazy in that motherfucker. But yeah, I personally, now the Rod Wave, I've never been to a concert where a motherfucker sung word for word from the beginning to the end of somebody on stage.

Shout out to Beyonce, I swear, no disrespect, but that was just kind of different. I think Rod Wave has this cult following. You either love him, he got people that really mess with him because he makes really deep emotional music and so when you those are the kind of kind of people that's gonna buy tickets to the concert they're not just like listening passively on Spotify or whatever so yeah what's yours DJ shit don't wanna we was that together that um that's right Nikki Ross and I mean I'm right on why I'm gonna get Ross and boom it's a best DJ? Shit, the one that we was at together, that Drake, Nicky, and Ross. And Bloomington.

I mean, I had Drake, Wayne, Nicky, and Ross, and Bloomington. It was the best concert I've ever been to. Fire. Yeah, that was fire. Rick Ross was there in the opener, and he just got up there with a backdrop and just did the whole Teflon Don all the way through

and got off stage. It was fire as fuck. That was Homecoming, right? Mm-hmm. I remember that. I used to use to have the craziest Homecoming performances. Oh, yeah.

Shout out to my nigga, Shell. He was on that bus. That was wild. Tell us more about that. I used to use to have the craziest homecoming performances. Oh, yeah. Shout out to my nigga, Shell. We was on that bus. Wildin'. Tell us more about that. Nah, we ain't talking about it. But shout out to my nigga, KY, too. For sure. The name start getting added in the stories.

The shit gets funny. Nah, no smut, no smut. Niggas got situations. No smutty. But that was them, like, prime Nicki, too. And, like, Nicki about to have an album coming out next week, and ain't nobody talking about it

she not but in her prime I mean she is yeah she has a prime I used to love Nicki I know that was my favorite girl in the world I think she's the best

rapper female of all time I think so too I want to talk about her rap ability I think so too I think people be I know Fendi Teague I was just keeping

this up music people be trying to shit on Nicki little horny horn horn over there I used to have a Nikki shirt With little cheeks was out But yeah She's so unique

That's what you say She's so unique Yeah she is She got a beautiful look She beautiful And she People be trying to shit on Nikki I don't like that

I don't think people Try to shit on her How she look't like that. I don't think people try to shit on her. How she look, it's the shit that comes with her. Yep. You know what I mean? The whole her husband, all that shit. It's kind of like... How she married?

Yeah. No disrespect, my boy. He don't DM you like he did Offset. Ah, damn. Offset said something. I don't want no smoke, man. I just think y'all... That changed me.

I feel like that changed her career for real. Like when she got with him and people started finding out like who he was and his background. Really shit. Honestly, on top of that, when she left Safaree, shit got different. You want to say he wrote her bars? Yeah, some of it. I don't think Safaree wrote her bars.

He contributed. I'm not going to say she's talented, but he definitely contributed. I think people try to pin people against Nicki and other female rappers. Yeah, it was Eazy McCarty. I think people do that when somebody else come out, especially with women, like female artists. Don't nobody ever see somebody trying to pin Taylor Swift against, I don't know, another one of these white girls. There's the one girl, Taylor Swift or Britney Spears.

We don't know. That's a nasty person. That's a nasty, but that's the black community. Yeah. Trying to discredit a motherfucker, trying to nitpick. Right. And act like it's only one person who can exist in that space. And so I felt like they really tried to amp up that whole whatever.

That fucked up the music industry. It did. It really did. How you feel about writing though? Like, I know you clearly, you look at it as you helping the artists become better or whatever, but like,

what's your take on writing? Do you prefer writing or performing? My take on writing? Um, yeah, I prefer performing. I don't really like, so like I started writing by accident a little bit because I did the song with Wale, Bad,

that people know. And I put that song on YouTube as my own song when I was in college. And it just so happened that Wale wanted to use that song for a single. So after, you know, Wale and I kind of fell out after that song. And then I went and signed a deal with Interscope. And it just like, I didn't love it there. I feel like they wanted me to be on some, like, I was on my stoner, like, bad girl shit. Right. Acoust girl shit. Right. On acoustic shit.

And I feel like they wanted me to be on, like, some, I don't know, a little bit more corny than, like, a little bit more corny than what I wanted to do. They didn't like the whole stoner shit because they didn't realize, like, a whole wave of that was about to come. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Exactly. And so I was kind of just trying to figure my life out while i was at interscope i put out a couple projects i put out a project that was kind of like different from what people knew me as on my acoustic raw and um so yeah i was just trying

to figure it out and in the meantime I had gotten a new management company. And at the time, her wasn't even thought of. Her name was Gabby. But she wasn't even thought, that name wasn't even thought of. She was like 15. What year is this? I want to say 2015. Is that with Rico?

I signed with Rico. Yeah, through Interscope. Okay, Rico. Shout out to Rico? I was assigned with Rico. Yeah, through Interscope. Rob Markman Okay, Rico Love. Shout out to Rico. He fucked with the show. Yeah, shout out to Rico. He's super talented writer, but I just think our chemistry, like we just didn't mix over there at the label.

And as someone who, he was a writer, producer, I'm a writer, producer. You know. Rob Markman I can understand. Tia Hilliard So anyway, I met her, Gabby. She was like 15. And we had the same management and she was just kind of like, she was fire. I saw her playing guitar and singing one day. She the first day I met her, I walked in the studio and she was in there playing like Aaliyah on the guitar. And I was like, damn, she's fire.

And I just love when artists are fire. I just be wanting other people to see them. I'm like, damn, this little 15 year old girl, she got a tone like this. So I started writing music with her and her shit just took off. And so all that shit, all that her shit was just kind of by accident. We just have a very organic writing relationship. And so it just so happened that I just wrote all these songs with her. The last album that she put out, I wrote maybe 11 songs on there with her.

It would just be us two in the studio for hours just vibing out. Was you a part of Damage? Yeah. Yep. That's hard. This shit's heat. Damage, Come Through. That's my come through.

My shit is hot. Come through's heat. I wrote Come Through like damn near six years ago. I was like mad depressed at the time and I was trying to figure out what I was gonna do with my life and I remember I was in the closet I was literally inside of my closet and um in the dark and I was mad depressed at this time in my life and I was just trying to think of something cool and um somebody sent me this guitar loop for um come through

featuring chris brown it didn't have chris brown on it at the time obviously but i just started coming up with this fly like it was fly they won't tell because they trying to live their best life yeah so i was like okay yeah so i was like that. But at the time, like as an artist, sometimes when you do something, you don't know that it's dope. I mean, like I knew that it was dope, but it's like. Had to see it through. heard it when I did it I was like that that's fire and I was like yo my pen's crazy and I that song I just sat on that song for a long time and then I was in the studio with her one day and I was like yo listen to this song and she was like that's fire and she wanted to cut it and she cut the song and then the the next time we never talked about it again because we just be writing hella songs so we never talked about the song again but my manager came in the studio like two years later and he was like, yo, I want y'all to hear

something. He played the song and it had Chris Brown on it. We didn't know how Chris Brown got on it. He was just on it. And so we were like, cool. So they just went with that. So he knew the vibes, he heard that shit, he was like, yeah, I need that. Yeah, yeah. But I was going to use that as one of my singles, but I felt like I sent it around to a couple of people. I sent it to my management and they were like, yeah, this is cool. But they weren't like hype. And I was just like, no, this shit is fire.

Hold on. That didn't make you feel a way though? It did. I mean, that's how it be though. Like that's really how it be in the music industry. Like you might write some shit that's fire, and somebody hear it, and they be like, yeah, this is cool.

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circumstance to get to that. But with you being a writer, I always wondered, like, you know, obviously in rap, niggas are getting ridiculed if you write for somebody else's bars. They ain't nothing on you. With it being R&b and a double genres of music where that's more welcome with today's accessibility to put out your own music or like having different platforms to where you can be your own manager your own label right now everybody can hear your music go viral now would you have felt differently being a writer if you came out in this era? I think, uh, I'm not, um, I don't regret like any, how anything

went because I think my career like has worked out well. It wasn't how I expected, but it was like, oh, okay. It's not going to go that way, but okay. Okay. That's cool. so i don't regret it um i don't regret how anything went and also what i do understand as a writer as a singer-songwriter is that sometimes you have a song and i wanted to i wanted her to hear this song in particular come through um i thought it would be a bigger song if she sang it yeah that's right and with the with the place that i was at in my career at the time i thought it would be a bigger song if she sang it and so now um yeah um now it's a different it's a different time in music you don't need a label you can just personally hire all these people that the label hires because that's what they do they just they hire social media mark marketers and all these different people and you know and artists can do that themselves

independently now if you got the bread to do it so um definitely i've been doing a lot less writing for other artists um because i have a publishing deal so nice i get opportunities to they'll call me and be like yo you want to work with so-and-so and if i don't want to work with them i don't i don't work with them if i think they're dope if i like their voice if i like their vibe then i'm like okay cool um i'll go with them but uh yeah so there's a lot of stuff that i i keep to myself I keep to myself now what was the biggest lesson you learned from that bad record though from bad those are ah bad was very it was very interesting because um I felt like I didn't, um, now 10 years, more than 10 years later, a little

bit more than 10 years later, I look back and I realized I didn't enjoy that moment. Like I, like an artist should enjoy their first song being on the radio. I didn't enjoy it. should enjoy their first song being on the radio. I didn't enjoy it. I think there was a lot of drama surrounding the song. I think maybe also coming from Indiana, I didn't know anything about the music industry at the time. I didn't know how anything worked.

And so some things I may have like taken personally, or I just didn't understand until several years later. But I'm happy that the song turned out the way it did, that it was my song. And then Wale ended up using it as his song. I know during that time when Wale was with Atlantic, I don't even know if I'm supposed to say this, but I mean, it's just the facts. All I can do is just say the facts.

At the time, it wasn't popular to have an unsigned artist on your song. Now, any type of artist, you don't have to be signed. You can be on the radio, nobody cares. But at the time, this song that was already on my YouTube for two years maybe, they were trying to find somebody else to sing it. And The Hook.

I heard Kelly Rowland's name thrown out there. I heard Cassie's name thrown out there. But initially, it was my voice that stayed on the song because I wrote and co-produced the song. Good shit. That publishing money. Yeah, and then, as you know, the Bad remix came out with Rihanna. And that's

what I really didn't understand at the time was owning publishing on a song and then having an artist as big as Rihanna sing your song. Like when that shit first came out and I first heard Rihanna was on that joint, I was like, hold on. Was you offended or was you like, ah, shit, it's lit? Nah, I was salty. I'll tell you. That's real.

Yeah, I was salty because it wasn't long lived. Here's the thing. I'm a Rihanna fan. That's who I listened to in college. I had a haircut that was inspired by Rihanna. Like, Rihanna albums. Like, I will still say to this day, out of all singers, I think Rihanna has the most well put together albums. What's your favorite Rihanna album? Maybe Anti.

Yeah. Cause she just be having everything on that joint. Like she gonna cover all the, all the bases. And so I was just i was very inspired by rihanna i loved rihanna and uh so when she sang my song all i saw was online like as somebody who's like a nobody from indiana and then you get online and hear all these people talking like you just not i wasn't prepared for that you know and they were like oh rihanna stole your song and blah blah i was like. I was like, what the heck?

And I know me and Wale were beefing at the time. And so he had called me maybe like a couple of days before that song came out. And he's trying to clean it up a little bit because that remix was about to come out. He was like, basically, they was in a club. Wale had a section in the club. Rihanna had a section in the club. And Rihanna was like, the bag came on and Rihanna was like, I want to sing that song. And so he was like, yo, come sing the remix.

And so yeah, when a joint came out, I heard it when everybody else heard it and I was like, damn, Rihanna on my song. and i was salty at the time and i think i was just salty because um you know when me and wally were beefing and i felt like it was something behind that you know the reason why rihanna was on the song he was trying to blow that up yeah yeah and then when i saw that the the song actually blew up because rihanna was on a joint the song actually blew up because Rihanna was on a joint. I was like, and I still own the song. I was like, hold on now.

Yeah. I was like, now who else can we get on the song? Taylor Swift. You tried to do the flies, huh? Yeah, exactly. You tried to do the master period. Exactly. Who else want to get a verse on the song? Yeah.

So when I, when I realized like really how that worked and then actually really once I like kind of stepped out of my ego and listened to the song. I was like, yo, Rihanna sing the joint just like me. She didn't switch up how like she sing that like me. She like how I sing it. Yeah. And so, yeah. And so I was like, and also this is one of my favorite artists at the time so i was like yeah that's that's actually pretty dope and so um and it worked out for me and still like the original of bad is the original and you know

i think that's the version that people gravitate towards. Although, you know, Rihanna sang the remix. So that's pretty cool that I have a Rihanna writing credit under my belt. That's hard. Shout out to your pen, straight up. No, that's fine. Like you said, you're getting used to the business acclimate of doing something that you love. It's a hell of a switch up because Wale probably in some instances was just kind of like, this is business. And then you realize, oh, a lot of people get in these situations to where oh this is normal kind

of like how we did with podcasting we thought once we got to a point you know business kind of picked up we thought things would go a little bit different they were a little bit drawn out but like to see all his fire reels that we didn't have on youtube doing like millions of views just like oh we made that fire from it yeah shit from it. Yeah. But it looks cool. Yeah. I mean, it's really about, it's really about discovery.

People discovering. And sometimes like, not all the time, but sometimes like that shit be really. That was good marketing for you. It's the best publicity. It was.

It really was. It was great marketing for you. It really was. And that put you in different rooms for real because now motherfuckers want to know who really behind the song. And the only thing is like, would you ask me what my biggest lesson from that? I wish I would have like taken advantage of that more instead of realizing like, you know,

nowadays some people like they like the, even whether it's positive attention or negative attention, like I took the negative attention and I like, I took your personal. When really, cause I didn't know at the time, like, yo, you better use this as an opportunity to catapult yourself. And like, you know, exactly. Yeah. So I think that's one thing that I wish I would have done better, but I was young, very young at the time. Like I said, from Indiana, I don't know anything about the industry. So I wish I i would have done better but i was young very young at the time like i said from indiana i don't know anything about the industry so i wish i just would have uh you know and you

had nobody really guys yeah i didn't have anybody to guide me it was literally yeah you and him straight now though right yeah so he he hit up my his people hit up my people like a couple weeks weeks ago, I did a show, I did a song on Victoria Monet's tour. I sang that. And my manager hit me up and was like, yo, Wale said he wants you to come to DC and do Bad. So I did that like two weeks ago. And that's the first time I saw Wale in like several years. Shout out to y'all. 10 plus years. And definitely the first time I performed it with them in like 10 plus years. So that was cool. That's a good energy.

That's fire. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Y'all got that back right. I got to ask you, what was your favorite concert that you performed at? Like your favorite setting that you've done? Like I know you've been on a lot of different stages. What's your most memorable one? My most memorable?

I don't know. I think all this shit's been pretty fun. I was on, I think it's cool that, I mean, I was on tour with Pusha T and that was so random, but. Definitely. Yeah, that was fine. It was Pusha T and Bia before Bia like really got cracking. Was he selling coke on the tour? No.

Not that I know of. Pusha T, shit. No, he wasn't. He was mad cool, but I was- That's a cold following right there. Yeah, for sure. I agree with you.

Respect Pusha. Yeah, I do. I love fuck with Pusha T, but man, if I hear one with coke verse, I'm going to go crazy. We need it. Yeah, I was on tour

with Pusha T and that shit was cool because like I was on a rap concert and like that was fire. And I thought being on tour with her was pretty fun. That's when I got to travel the world. I had never left the country and never had a passport. So I was bouncing.

I was in Germany. I was in Paris. I was going. So that shit was crazy. That's fire. So yeah, that was fun too. Just traveling and just experiencing life. So it's just cool to be in different countries

and shit and people be singing your songs. They don't even speak English that well, but they be knowing the words to your songs. So, I don't know.

I just, I like being on stage. I like performing. I'm looking forward to getting back to that. Okay. Don't turn into Lauren Hill, God damn it.

Nah. Stay on top. Don't pull up. She talking about she your inspiration. She was on top today though. Nah, nah, yeah. Don't turn into Lauryn Hill, God damn it. Nah. Stay on top. Pull up. She talking about she your inspiration. She was on top today, though. Nah, nah, yeah. I was a little bit late today,

but I'm usually, yeah, I'm usually like very, yeah, I'm punctual. Like I try to be professional. You know, I haven't had, I had like one media training back in 2013, but I'm a communications major,

so I be trying to, like, you know. Are you sure? I was just fucking with you. Professional joint coach. Your last training was in 2013. You might want to get the updated mail. It's a little bit different now. Some things you can't say that you used to say back then. I realize that, but it's cool. Yeah, I just

might have to put out there, y'all. I don't got no media training. It's just me. It's just me and my thoughts. For sure. Yeah. You said you was a basketball fan before we got on the show. Yeah. We got on air.

I like basketball. Yeah. You told me your cousin was Isaiah Thomas. We ain't Isaiah Thomas. Got a little history, man. He cussed me out one day. I, I, I heard. Um, you said you was trash and you said he was trash.

Yeah. We had a little back and forth. Yeah. Um, that is my cousin uh so i discovered this um so my grandma and granddaddy had 20 kids together god damn shout out to the lineage yeah yeah 20s old dude yeah so my my daddy yeah i think my daddy, yeah, I think my daddy is number 17. And my daddy's brother, my uncle Jimmy, so my uncle Jimmy, my daddy's brother, his son is Keith, Isaiah's daddy. Gotcha. And so anyway, I knew Isaiah was my cousin when he played for the Sacramento Kings.

And I was like, that's your cousin. He plays professional basketball, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like, oh, cool. So, yes, I'm a basketball fan. I like basketball. I used to play. What position did you play? I played point, as you can see.

Was you nice? I mean. Or was you getting dragged? Listen, it was a long time I can shoot okay oh damn I'm gonna tell you that

I can shoot I can shoot I got bad knees at this point and ankles me and you both that might be your other cousin yeah

I got that nigga over there probably that might be kid folk I gotta look up the lineage baby I'm gonna do my That might be kid folk now. I got to look up the lineage.

Maybe. I'm going to do my Ancestry.com. When did you stop hooping? I stopped hooping. I gave up my hoop dreams for show choir when I realized, I mean, because it was girls that was hooping. Like, you can tell they was, like, playing with niggas growing up. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Bass. Yeah, they was hooping. Like, you can tell they was like playing with niggas growing up. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Bass. Yeah, they was hooping like that.

And so, when I realized I liked music and I was very invested in music, then I started doing show choir, track, you know, I ran track. I got dusted in track

a little bit though. Did you have most of us all together? No, no, no. I wasn't slow. I wasn't slow. So, you have to put sports all together? No, no, I wasn't slow. I wasn't slow, but,

you know them girls that just be having to, when you be on a, what you call it, when you be on a starting line and you about to, you in a starting box or whatever,

I could just tell, you know, them bitches, they had, they thighs was just big. Yeah, they had to fight for their life. Yeah,

they did. They thighs was big and they was just like, woof. had to fight for their life. Yeah, they did. Their thighs was big and they was just like, woof. They had me in the sprints, too. Oh, so you was going in for fun? They was serious. Yeah, they was serious. They was trying to get the college dudes out there playing. Yeah, they was serious. Like, the girls, they was wearing Jordans. On the track?

Yeah. They weren't trying to win. No, but they weren't playing. They was from the slums. Yeah, they weren't playing, though. You was running some business from Ripple. I was. Iipple. I was. I was. I was. I guess they had to go to Northwest.

That's my living. They say I had no... I was. I was racing against bitches in threes, and they wasn't playing. They was running from the cops. Yeah. That was recreational for them.

They got real 40 times. You didn't stand a chance. You out there with some submissions. That's my fucking project. All cute. Got some real traction. Yeah You didn't stand a chance. You out there some submissions about my project on Q. Got some real tractions. Yeah, I did have real tractions. I had to make sure

I had the nice spikes too. And they got them during three. Yeah, that's how it was. It just sucked. Yeah, I was getting dusted a little bit. Yeah, Bobo's on the back.

Get together the fuck out of here. Yeah. I was getting dusted a little bit. Yeah, you was dusted a little bit. Yeah, but I found my niche. I found my with music. So I was getting dusted a little bit. Yeah, you was dusted. Yeah, but I found my niche.

I found my, with music. So I was like, you know, let me decide. Let me, I can still like, you know, I got little handles and I can shoot and, you know, I can run from somebody who trying to get me. But, you know, I just decided to chill out on the sports a little bit. But I played when I was in middle school a little bit, but, uh, I played

when I was in middle school and I, like I said, I probably would've took it more seriously in high school. Had I not been super involved in show choir and it was like glee club. It was serious. Craig. Are you with the career? Okay. It ain't Craig no more.

What is it now? It's just office building. Oh, okay. We played create Mike and Mike and. Mike and Greg went to Craig. What's your other school? Fall Creek. Fall Creek. Yep.

Yeah, I went to high school with Greg Oden. I can specifically remember walking through the hallways, and it was just like the students and Greg. That's a big motherfucker. Yeah, he was just sticking out. Yeah, that was crazy. But yeah, I went to a middle school and high school with Greg Oden.

I thought that was pretty cool, but... Yeah. How was those days at LN with them there? Was they like rock stars? Yeah, they were. Yeah. Yep, they really were. You was going to the game and shit?

Oh, Greg and... Don't tell me. I'm going to tell you. I got a few minutes. Mike Conley. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Mike. Yeah, I was lost about it. I almost had a brain got a few minutes. Mike Conley. Shout out to Mike. I almost had a brain fart, but yeah, Mike Conley.

We like them niggas though. Shout out to my nigga Brandon McPherson. That's my dog. Yeah. Man, I hated them. They ended my season every single year. Hold on. Don't ever write Pike and L.N. like we wouldn't. Pike ain't them. We been them. Nah, Pike. Yeah, Mike.

We was still. Yo, but ain't them. We been them. What you mean? Nah, Pike. Yeah, Mike. We was still. Yo, but Isaiah, Isaiah, Isaiah, my cousin, that I knew that was my cousin. I said, this is my cousin. I used to be telling people, yeah, my cousin plays in the NBA. So I was in L.A. one day, and I was chilling with my homies from Boston. This is when Isaiah was playing for Boston. And I was like, you know, that's my cousin. I never met him, but I knew that was my cousin.

Yeah. And they was like, that's not your cousin. I was like, I swear to God, that's my cousin. And so we were just sitting around, we were drunk. And I was like, I'm about to DM him. So I DM'd him when I was drunk. And I was like, yo, what's up, Isaiah? I'm about to DM him. So I DMed him when I was drunk and I was like, yo, what's up, Isaiah? I'm your cousin. And I was like, I'm trying to, I'm trying to come to the game because they were playing like L.A. or the Clippers.

I can't. Lakers or the Clippers. Yeah. Lakers or Clippers. And I was like, I can't remember. I think it was Lakers. Yeah. Anyway, he responded to me because he probably looking at me like, yo, that's my cousin. My cousin, like, that's my cousin that sings that song. And that's my cousin. That's this R&B singer or whatever. So I didn't think he was going to respond to me, but he did. And he get Gabby tickets, me and my friend tickets to the game. And so we pulled up at the game. I was like, I told you that's my cousin. And after the game, we hung out.

And I saw, I met him and his wife and his kids. And we took photos. And I was like, damn. Because that's when IT, he was balling in Boston. He was killing. Yeah, he was balling. And they were like. He was the coldest.

Yeah, he really. Yeah, we knocked their ass out, though. Yeah. Oh, dude. Sent them all home. Shout out to IT. Nah, IT was killing. Yeah, shout out to IT.

I ain't saying he wasn't killing. He was killing, but we showed up, sent them home. Yeah. You know what's funny about that? I hate you lost to that team, Isaiah, man. He definitely was getting 40. He was killing. He was killing.

He was calling. 40 of y'all lost cousins hit you over tickets. They're not getting read. All right, my cousin hit me up. It was killing it. He was killing it. He was calling. 40 of your lost cousins hit you over tickets. They're not getting read. All right, my cousin hit me up. It's over with. Good luck. Yeah, ain't shit.

You said it's a wrap? I've been like... You got too many of them motherfuckers. Yeah, I've been like... I have 27. I didn't think he was going to respond to me,

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Guys, thank you. Yep. Tierra's been a great guest. Dang! I liked Reggie Miller. I liked Mark Jackson. I went to Mark Jackson basketball camp. That's an ass basketball camp.

That's why she said she got handles. Shout out to MJ. A lot of hot lady dribbles. Y'all throwing shit on Mark Jackson? And you're not going to call him MJ either. We're not going to do that. We're not going to do that. We're not going to do that. She said she went to on Mark Jackson. And you're not going to call him MJ either. We're not going to do that either. We're not going to do that.

She said she went to the Mark Jackson camp. She did do jail. You were really from Indiana. I did. I went to the Mark Jackson basketball camp, but I never forget because I had a tan and I was real black and this white boy asked me, he was like, are you from Africa?

Make that a real. Racism at basketball camps is crazy that's what you need that's what your ass get for going to that weekend I never forgot that that's Indiana for you right there that is crazy

but dang what's wrong with Reggie Miller though it's over that's dead really that's your favorite player I didn't say that was my favorite player But dang, what's wrong with Reggie Miller, though? Oh, it's over. That's dead. Really? Yeah. It's fine, T. That's your favorite player. I didn't say that was my favorite player.

I'm just saying, like, that's when back in the day when I started playing basketball and I was, like, looking at Larry Bird and these old school niggas and I was hooping in Chucks and messing my feet up. Wait a minute. You ain't that motherfucker. Yo, I was watching, what's the movie, Hoosiers? I've never seen it. And they was hooping in chucks. They tricked you, man.

Yeah, I was watching like old school footage and they was hooping in chucks. I was like, I want to hoop in chucks. I had some red chucks that I was hooping in and my feet was fucked up.

They was laughing at you. They was the only niggas that hooped against you. They said somebody get Ronald McDonald. And she brought her hand up and just tied up so tight. I did.

You know what? You was did. You know what? You was crying. Curled up. You know what, y'all? You know what? When I put my shoes on today, I left them like this. Because I usually be tying them up real tight. I usually be.

But I'm about to go chill. What for? You want to go through the layup? Yeah. But I was like, I'm about to go chill with some hoop was like I'm about to go chill with You know some hoop niggas So let me leave my shit loose But I was go tied up real tight

But I didn't If I were to see you with Chucks At crib bro I'd be crying Yeah I was hooping in Chucks What color was it? Red No it was red

Your coach had a pocket Cause he was supposed to Make you change your shoes Your coach was definitely A volunteer That was not no real hoop coach It's cool I was supposed to make you change your shoes. He was scared. Your coach was definitely a volunteer. That was not no real hoop coach. It's cool. I was trying to be like them. I've never seen a movie.

You've never seen Hoosiers? Dang, no, that was a good movie. It's not better than Boat of Realm. That's a nigga movie. You can't compare it. Hoosiers is like an indie. Yeah, exactly. It's a documentary. I played in's a, you can't compare. Hoosiers is like a indie, you know, if you're from indie. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's a documentary.

I played in a hickory gang. Yeah. I did. Did you have a hickory jersey too? Yeah. Yuck. They were awful. Trash jerseys. Some of the baddest, worst jerseys I've ever been part of. They're racist jerseys. Definitely racist. For sure. And they just tried to let that go like it was normal. Definitely a slave that night.

Oh, wow. Dang. Man, he out of pocket. You can't say that. I got a question for you. Like, when you think of, like, classic artists, like, who haven't you worked with that you would love to work with? I know you worked with Mary J. She's my favorite.

Really? Yeah. I worked with Mary J. That was pretty cool because, I mean, she just was like, she seemed just like Mary J. She seemed like people out there. Yeah. No, she was nice, though. Like, she wasn't like, oh, my God.

But she was just like, yo, what's up? Like, you know, she had her J's on. She was cool. She seemed like how Mary J would act. Like, she was acting cool. She had Jordans on? Yeah, she had some J's on. I feel J Platt only wear boots, like tall boots. Nah, she definitely had some J's on. I was examining her whole fit. I was examining

everything about Mary J because I was just like, damn, like I'm in the studio with Mary J Platt. That's crazy. How'd that come about? My manager was like, yo, said to me and her, Gabby is her name. When I say her, said to me and her, Gabby is her name, when I say her, my manager was like, yo, this was after we won the Oscar. I think. My manager was like, yo.

Don't just say that like that, though. Say what you want to say. Say it again. Well, I have to say that because it was literally right after the Oscars. But you said it like, you know, you won the Oscars. That ain't no more than a TVP. You really participated,

though. I didn't participate, so I do my ring like that. Can we know what the Oscar was for first? Tell the world. The Oscar? The Oscar was for

Judas and the Black Messiah. I don't know if you guys saw that movie, but we wrote the the end title movie, the end title song for that movie. And so that was

a crazy ass experience so yeah then after that people was just like yo right after that they was like yo can you come write can you come do this so my manager was like yo mary wants y'all to come write a song with her so we went in the studio mary j showed up like i said she had her j's on i think they was black and gold i'm not sure some sixes probably i don't know she looked no they were i'm not sure actually dang i wish i remember she looked cute i think there were ones i could tell mary where yeah i think there were ones and i was like dang mary mary got on some j's and uh anyway so we wrote a song with mary and that shit was crazy because just like I grew

up listening to Mary my life and then we writing a song with her and she just talking to us like regular. So that was cool. So yeah, we was just in the studio writing Good Morning Gorgeous with Mary J. Blush. Rob Markman That's a horror song too. Rob Markman That's fire. How do you feel about movie scores? Like doing movies, music different than like doing movie score stuff?

I feel like it looks like it's way more fun to catch like a like a filling of a whole motion picture and you just get to write around that. It's like doing a different way of a soundtrack. Basically, yeah, it is cool. We went we were already working on her album. And we were they were like yo can you write this song for Judas and the Black Messiah

so we watched the movie in the studio and then after we watched the movie cause you know you saw Judas and the Black Messiah and we were mad afterwards we was like

these motherfuckers you felt like that basketball camp didn't you I did it took me back to the basketball camp iters. You felt like that basketball camp, didn't you? I did. It took me back to the basketball camp. It took me back to Mark Jackson basketball camp. And for the dude that called me African, they said I was African.

That's crazy. That's crazy, Ted. Nah, that shit was crazy. That's like one of the most racist things somebody said. Only in Indiana, though. Only in Indiana. You'll get that, for sure. The simple way that he said that was so impactful is like, nigga, you out of pocket.

Yeah. And I knew I was looking extra dark around that time. The fact that you remember that for the rest of your life. I did. I will. Yeah, but we watched the movie in the studio and we were just like, wow. I didn't even know about Fred Hampton and you know this whole Black Panther

I mean I knew about the Black Panthers but I didn't know like dang they really be like they really be killing niggas and when I say they I mean the people and so shout out to Memphis

yeah so we we were listening to a bunch of music from the 70s, from that era, Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, just listening to different percussive elements and just grooves. And then we just started writing this song, Fight For You. And we didn't think anything about it, just like we never did after we wrote a song. We weren't like, oh, this is going to win this. Like, we're going to win. We're going to get nominated for this. We just wrote the song. We just went, okay.

And went on about the day or went on about, you know. And that joint got nominated. I actually found out it was nominated for an Oscar while I was at the Grammys. Oh, you're stunting now. That's she out of pocket. No, I'm just saying that's what happened. That's what happened. We were on E! News and I think they were, we won a song for best song of the year at the Grammys And that night They said Oh by the way

You guys are nominated For an Oscar And we were nominated For so many things Like the Golden Globe Awards Just like Awards I never heard of Just you know

Cause I'm not in the acting world So those awards Golden Globes And Critics Choice And you know Keep running them off Go ahead Those things

Keep them on Yeah But It was really Crazy you know, those things. Yeah. But, um, it was really crazy because as a writer, as a singer songwriter, you don't really get to be, I mean,

you're not really like linked up with actors and stuff that much. So like at the Oscars, when you see Harrison Ford and Halle Berry, it's like, it's different than seeing Meg Thee Stallion and Drake and like

Yeah we don't wanna see her You don't wanna see Meg? Why not? I'd rather see Halle Yeah I see Halle You'd rather see Halle Berry? My friend he he loves Meg Thee Stallion

He says she look better than Beyonce I think Meg is her body is different It ain't better than Beyonce Let's stop Meg is beautiful. Her body is... Different. It ain't better than Beyonce. Let's stop. Yes, it is. No, it's not.

He out of pocket. Well, I don't want to compare that. I think they both have great bodies. I'm just saying. I think they both have great bodies, but I do... I like... I mean, I like the way Meg looks.

She's fire. She look good. She's fire. I got to take that in detail, though. And so does Beyonce. Beyonce looks amazing, too. I just went and saw the Renaissance movie and she was looking better than ever.

So, you went and saw the tour, and she was looking better than ever. So you went to the tour, obviously. Yes. And the movie? Yes. You're out of pocket. Opening night. You're out of pocket.

Yes. Y'all are at it. Did you dress up? I didn't dress up. I went in my nightclothes, but I definitely went in with a suit. I went in for the

Renaissance tour because Beyonce asked that of us. So you're part of the Beehive? I mean, you know. Oh, Lord. I'm not about to be... I'm definitely a Beyonce fan.

That's for sure. Me too, though. I couldn't go to that tour, though. I'm a Beyonce fan. I'm not like crazy about any celebrity. Like people may be, but but Beyonce you definitely got to recognize that she has a different kind of worth work ethic and she's a generational type artist and so I respect her I respect her work ethic and um yeah she's she's really that bitch

you're going to the destiny child tour? They got a tour? No way. Absolutely. I feel like they should. It's just going to be R. Kelly. Because we waiting for the next. Who? It's going to be Beyonce and Kelly.

Because ain't nobody else. Oh, I thought you said R. Kelly. I was like, what? He's not going to be. Because we waiting on a Nelly tour. Nelly tour? Yeah, we were going to that. With Ashanti and Nelly.

Are they really having a tour? We're speaking as a freshman. Yeah, we want that. But Ja Rule has to come. Yeah. Are they really having a tour? We're speaking as a for us. Yeah. We want that. But Ja Rule has a couple on. Ja Rule gotta be on a tour with him. No, Ja Rule, Ja Rule really set the tone.

Okay? For what? For the singing. Go ahead. That's why I wanted you to talk about it. So he better than Drake? Well, um, well, no. I'm not saying that.

Make sure, make sure he set that tone. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. You ain't gonna say Drake no more. I'm not saying that. Make sure he said that, Tom. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that because Drake, I really believe. And I don't know if people think, because I know people think like, oh, if you like Drake, that's like, you know, typical rapper.

But Drake really is that guy. Drake Cole. Can I ask you a real question, though? What? All right. I said something a while back, and people kind of gave me a lot of flack for it. Oh, Jeff. It wasn't that far ago.

They said that, I said that Michael Jackson really couldn't sing that good. I just said he was cool. What you think about Michael Jackson's voice? You think it's like, it's like that? Or is it just like,

it's just okay? Here's what I want to hear. Look, she feeling me. She feeling me. Yeah, I'm telling you? Here's what I want to hear. Look, she's feeling me. She's feeling me. Yeah. Here's what I want to say. Here's what I want to say, Jeff. I think Michael Jackson had a stylistic type of singing.

It was a certain style to it. Where people weren't used to hearing people sing like that. And be able to do You know so many different inflections With their voice, you know, so, um, I think he is unique as far as like a singer No, I don't know as far as like a singer no, but That can you make it over? Yeah, I said ABC 1-2-3, it was beautiful.

Yeah, I think Mike has a beautiful, interesting voice. As far as like, do I think it fits with like a Tevin Campbell or a... I mean, a lot of R&B singers that we have out these days. No, I don't think it like compares to that type of voice. But I think he had a stylistic type of voice. Maybe like a Rihanna. Okay. So was I out of pocket for saying like Drake?

Never mind. No, to say it. I said Drake. Him and Michael Jackson was like similar singing. I thought they just both made good songs. No, I don't think they're similar. I think Drake has his pocket that he be in. You know, Drake know his pocket.

Is it out of pocket? I appreciate his pocket on, what was the album that had Sticky on it? It was like two albums ago. Jeff loves Hotline Bling. It's a good song. DJ loves Hotline Bling.

It's a good song. That's DJ. That's my fault. That's my fault. That's DJ. That's not me. It's a good song. It's a really good song.

And you know what? Drake, out of, I think Drake has the most. He said, I want to hook that phone. He's having a whole new photo. Y'all don't like Hotline Bling? Trash. Really? That was his ringtone. That was DJ's ringtone.

DJ did yoga to Hotline Bling. No, Drake really got them. Drake really know how to make them joints. He got the singy, singy joints. Like, take care. Love that album. Yo, Drake. Drake. Love that album. Yo, Drake. Crazy album.

Drake is really that guy. Yeah, he is. So even if he put out an album that I'm like, ah, I didn't really love that. It's cool. It wasn't for us. It's cool because he got so many albums. I think that's the only artist that has multiple albums that you just like every song on there. Drake been putting out shit

since 2008, 2009. There's a couple more artists with it. Who? Who do you think? Hov. Don't do that. Hov got five albums. Okay.

Wayne, too. What do you think the best... Oh, okay. Wayne, Carter III? Carter III is amazing. What's the best Hov album? Black Album. Black Album is amazing.

Okay, I agree. I like American Gangster. I say Black Album. I Album. Okay, I agree. I like American Dance. I say Black Album. I love Black Album. I understand why Black Album, but why are we discounting Blueprint though? I love Blueprint. Ain't nobody discounting Black Album.

Black Album just rocks. That moment. I'm wrong with that. Yeah, it was the moment. It's the best. I would say my first time. He said he was done. Me and him never agreed,

but that Black Album time is different. So what's you guys' favorite rap album? Wow. I got a couple. I can't really choose. What is it? It's different. So what's you guys' favorite rap album? Wow. I got a couple. I can't really choose. What is it? It's 8 Ball MJG. Yeah, it might be something.

I think you're trying to slide a joke. Yeah. But we got TT on the show. Who's your favorite rap album? My favorite rap album? Damn, T, you put me on the spot. That's a good one. Our beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.

Ooh. That's my favorite rap Fantasy Ooh You know what Okay I respect it I really respect that Cause I think Kanye Is my favorite rapper Yeah he's mine too

I don't wanna say He's the best But he's my favorite I didn't appreciate it Until a little bit After the fact though Yeah Cause it's the actual

Also 808 And Heartbreak Amazing Yeah I didn't appreciate that Until after the fact though. Yeah. Also 808s and heartbreaks though. Amazing. Yeah. I didn't even appreciate that until after the fact too when you realize like some stuff you just gotta

go back and listen to like wow this this nigga really snagged. Yeah. We're probably in the same age realm and we were coming into our adult age when that album came out.

We didn't know that because we was outside then but once we got a little bit older you started for real for a day but oh I see why that nigga was like that. Yeah. Exactly. That was good. That was a good one i bought you some

time here where you're at where you at uh my favorite i wouldn't say the best my favorite is rick ross first album true oh true came out of a white house and uh what was that song hustling this damn my name port of my hand yeah my name is my favorite i ain't gonna say i'm Fuck, what was the other song? Hustlin' and shit. Damn. Port of Miami. Port of Miami. Yeah, chill. Port of Miami is my favorite. I ain't gonna say I'm not trying to compare to nobody, but my favorite that I can play all the way through is Port of Miami for sure. I'll fuck with that album too.

Yeah, that's... My favorite album is Dipset More Than Music. Volume one or two? Two. My nigga. Okay. Volume two, that's my favorite album. It ain't the best, it's one of my favorites.

I love that album. Okay. What about you? Me? I would have to say Black Album or... I mean, there's a few different Drake albums that I thought were really amazing. Where I can just picture times in my life

where I was like, wow, that, that shit was amazing. I like, I like nothing was the same. I thought take care was an amazing album. I thought I'm so far gone for sure. Was an amazing album. I thought if you're reading, this is too late. There's so many, like, really, really dope Drake albums that really had me in my feelings.

I could, like, go back to particular memories in my life that I could relate to a Drake album. Damn. I'm really surprised you didn't say DS2. Me too. I thought you were going to say Future. I'm more of, like, Future mix type. DS2 is in my top five. That mug was hard. I'm more of like Future mixtape. DS2 is in my top five.

Yeah, DS2 is in my top five, but I like- So mad I ain't here by then. Rapping, rapping. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to take Port of Miami. Like Ross was talking that shit. Because we could have put Jeezy up there too. Ooh, Thug Motivation.

Yeah. Matter of fact. Thug Motivation, Jeezy. Thug Motivation. That's what I'm saying. I was trying to stay on the rim with y'all. Y'all be judging my shit, so I'm trying motivation That's what I'm saying I was trying to I was trying to stay on the realm With y'all

Y'all be judging my shit So I'm trying Nah I'm 100% in on thug motivation Yeah So that's why You know Shit

It's different Cause if it wasn't I was about to say Savage Life 2 It's different too Wow Savage Life 2 Yeah

It's different tiers of shit Okay so one more question I know this ain't my This ain't my show One more question, though. Okay, so if there's a song, if a song came out today, right? And it had a J verse.

Jay, Rick Ross, Wayne, 2 Chainz, Drake. That's a long-ass song. That motherfucker's a ass song. Drake and Kanye. Who got the best song? Who got the best verse on the song? Out of Jay, Wayne.

It's probably going to be Wayne. I don't know. They just did a song with Ross, Wayne, and Jay. And Jay murdered him. He had a longer time. Yeah, but it was just, it was crazy. And he got the song last. That's a cheat code. I'm going to go with Jay.

If everybody in the studio at the same time would get the pen at the same time. You going with Wayne? I'm going to go with Wayne. Because niggas write rap, and I don't want to deteriorate from the question. I'm just saying, niggas write their verse depending on the order when they get it. So if I was saying, Ross, I need you on this that's true yeah i sent it to jj like i bet you thought you had one yeah i'm about to you up i had some but nah we scrapped for that you know what i was a competitive sport i was gonna say wait until you said rick ross was on the song and i

gotta go jay because anytime jay and rick ross is together that loses mine yeah okay jay go crazy. Jay and Rick Ross features are inside. That's a great question. That is a great question, though. Who you rolling with, though? I don't know why you said 2 Chainz. Who I think got the best verse. I love 2 Chainz, but on that.

Yo, 2 Chainz. That's what I'm saying. The reason why I said 2 Chainz, though, is because 2 Chainz, I feel like he got like. Yeah, fire feature. Yeah, he do. For sure. He do.

And if he get on a song with all these rappers, all these legends, I feel like he going to come correct. He like, you know, he not going to bullshit. So he definitely going to have some bars on there that make you be like, woo. Like, that's what I care about. Pretty Girl's Love Trap music is in my top 10. Oh, it's top 10. Yeah, 2 Chainz. I feel like 2 Chainz, like, he a little bit slept on because.

He is, but he just. That's what I'm saying. That's why when y'all was asking my favorite i was trying to go off y'all rim but he ain't up there when you say and it's no disrespect to him okay it's just different levels i feel it two james don't i feel it because jay is the storyteller and the poet yeah i get it i'm surprised you didn't put call in that oh call yeah okay you could replace Cole with two chains. Okay, so even with Cole in there

in place of two chains, y'all gonna say Cole? I am. My answer to that is I ain't gonna lie. Cole, my win. You look like Cole actually now that I'm...

Which one? Okay, call him J. Cole or if he's still... Did anybody ever tell you that? All right. Oh, Mark is crying. All right. I knew you'd say Cole from Mark. Did anybody ever tell you that? All right. Oh, Mark is crying. Did anyone ever tell you that?

Oh, Cole from the Fizz Flow? Oh, it's brother. Oh, no, no, no. Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad. My bad. Wait, Cole was the dark-skinned one, yeah? No, with the hat. That nigga had the hat.

Big Shirley. Nah, we just making my lineage. J. Cole, had to have been surely. Yeah. No, I can't. My lineage. I J Cole. He'll go crazy on that. Cole will go crazy. But I think Kendrick would go crazy.

Yeah. No, not now. He will. If it was 2015, I'll feel differently now. Look here, Mad City. Kendrick might win it. No, definitely. That was a yeah.

He don't rap. He might win it. But I think on a verse on a verse with all those guys I think I think Kanye gonna try to show out though too he would I felt like Kanye would be my favorite verse

even if it wasn't like the best I think Kanye gonna say like the most out of pocket shit that like whoa like how you think to say that cause that's what he do I mean shout out to Saha

but Saha yeah yeah yeah Saha kill all of them if he got on there like how you how you think to say that because that's what he do i mean shout out to saha but yeah yeah yeah yeah saha kill all of them if he got on there but that's the kind of prince yeah it's gonna be kanye's first year right yeah man what new music you got coming out man i heard you getting ready to get back into it yeah um i'm excited i just put out a single. It's called Hit You Right Back featuring Tone Stith. So I'm excited about that joint. I'm probably going to put out a couple actually remixes to that. Are you toxic? Oh, now you like the remix. Am I toxic?

Yeah. To an extent. SES. He toxic too. Yeah. I'm not going to be up here and be like, I'm not toxic. Like I'm not gonna be up here and be like I'm not toxic like I'm I'm probably like a level I love levels this is this

I don't know it really just out of 10 out of 10 I'm definitely not a 10 like I've met 10s damn you 8.5

huh 8.5 no I'm not at 8.5 I think I think I'm like an adjustable six. Adjustable six is great. So you're right over five. I have self-awareness. I have self-awareness, but sometimes I choose the toxicity because— So that makes you an eight by default.

It'd be more like fun a little bit and also like— So you're a dangerous one. So you dangerous. Yeah, CT, you out of this. When it's fun to you, it dangerous until you you like me do you spin the block do I spin the block like on exes yes

um oh she dangerous well listen listen this is your interview you went back this is your interview I've never

um spun the block on an ex that I like didn't talk to for months at a time. I've spun, you know, I be having a little, like. She digs. I have, like, my, like, off and on situation. But, you know, we still be, like, talking the whole way through.

So that don't really count because, you know. Yeah, it counts. I don't spin the block. Like, I'm not about to go date somebody that I used to date, like, back in the day. No, I don't really count because, you know. It counts. I don't spin the block. I'm not about to go date somebody that I used to date like back in the day. No, I don't do that. There's too many people out here in the world for that. All right. So you something that you might have, you know what I mean?

You dig. You might hit her or him or whatever back. Like what you doing? Nope. You'll just never hear from me ever again. I think that's. She toxic. You dark. That is dark. me ever again i think that's she talks dark that is dark but you know that's what happens like i don't like to be like i don't like to be um like disrespected or fucked with and so i feel like that'd be my that'd be my thing like

forever yeah you know you ain't never had like a cool breakup so you shut the door on a cool breakup like you just no you ain't never had like a cool breakup? T-shirt, the door on, mother fucker. A cool breakup? Like, you just... Nah. You ain't never had like a cool break... Like, ah, it just didn't work out for us. I think it's so cool when people do that. It seems so mature.

Like, oh yeah, we just switched separate lanes. See, she toxic. Yeah. I think that's nice. It seems so mature, it's funny. Yeah, it does. But like, no, I'd be like, fuck you, go to hell. Yes. Yep, toxic. Yeah. Nah, I fuck with it. so mature is funny yeah it does but like no I'll be like fuck you go to hell yes

yep toxic yeah nah I'll fuck with it but I also haven't had a ton of relationships I haven't really had that many relationships

like I've had you know dealt with people but as far as like real relationships I've only had like and really I only count

like college don't even count so really I only have one real relationship after college do I prefer to be single and just move it around not saying you got hella homes no I like love and I like to be

like with one person I like love you know but it's just like it's interesting like just dealing with somebody else cause somebody else has a whole different experience. People behave based off of their perception is how they grew up, how they've experienced the world. And so I just think it's so interesting to like then try to conjoin lives with somebody like that because i don't know it's just it's a little bit weird but um all right i got a question what you got a type do i have a type

she ray sharma baby she like me my type is um well you ain't ray sherman at all no i'm asking her. I'll get on your ass next pause. But go ahead. Like, what's your, have you got a type or no? My type is, you know what's interesting?

I like what she does there. Yeah. I think as you get older, because it used to be like, your type, you know, they had to be cute, nice body, blah, blah, blah. And then you get older and you'd be like your type you know they had to be cute nice body blah blah blah and then you get older and you'd be like are you a barber i need you to have self-awareness i need

you to have emotional intelligence i need you to have money yeah like i like that type and still be cute awareness yes uh self-awareness obviously i want to be attracted to you. Right. Respectful to an extent. So what if a motherfucker had all that, but they was a booger? A what? A booger.

What is a booger? A motherfucker who you're not attracted to physically. Ooh. They a vibe though, T. They a vibe. You can't be a vibe

and be ugly. Don't listen to that. That's dangerous. See, he's toxic. though, T. They a vibe. You can't be a vibe and be ugly. Don't listen to that. That's dangerous. See, he's toxic. Um, ah. Oh, she's. See. See.

Drop that cup like I'm a pilot. That's the best show perfect. No, no, no, that's you. Because you know what? Because you know what? In the long term, like, I feel like you do have to be attracted to someone. Sexual. And that matters to me.

It matters to me to be attracted to someone. Factual. And that matters to me. It matters to me to be attracted to someone. But like I said, it also matters like for you to have some emotional intelligence and self-awareness, like you can't just be cute. Like that's not cutting it no more. Yeah, we're too old. Yeah, you can't just be cute. Like you got to have be cute with some money or cute with some emotional intelligence or preferably like the emotional intelligence or preferably like

the emotional intelligence and respect part. And then if you're cute along with that, I love that. But if you just a booger, like ugly. I just watched a TikTok the other day of this lady trying to convince people that it's okay if they ugly because they this, this and this. But I just I don't believe in that because I really need to be attracted to you

because I like you know intimate things and I just like you know so you can't get intimate with a motherfucking

ugly motherfucker I mean you got a couple boogers on your jacket have you been intimate well all I feel like all guys get intimate with people

that they not attracted to. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's right. Keep it going. That's facts. That's facts about guys. I've definitely slammed a couple boogers. Yeah, exactly. You guys can do that.

You done hit a couple. Man, I ain't got no boogers. I can say that I've never, I don't think I've ever messed with somebody that I was not like sexually attracted to. No. That's fair. That's right. I don't know the lineage.

I can't, you know. My buddy over there. Yeah. Never. He threw some shit off the backboard. Never. Through the legs. Never.

First 360. Any woman I ever been intimate with, I was thoroughly attracted to them. Okay. What about you? West, let me lose some. No cap. She played to win the game.

Yeah, niggas would kill me. Niggas don't hit on T as that. No, any nigga say he hitting up, I'm hitting up with Matt. You're a liar. We don't know what T doing, but we know each other this world. All you gotta do is go to the first B.

I'm joking. I'm joking. Don't do that. No, I'm very picky. Shout out to the biggie. No, for sure. I'm very picky. What's the most important thing

that you look for into when you're dealing with somebody, though? What's number one, like, on that? You remember when 21 Savage said... And that's crazy that I'm doing a 21 Savage quote yeah he's got a British voice right because he's British you remember when he said he'd rather

respect than love yeah I realize that like I think just like what's attractive is someone who's like very, someone who respects you. I'm not talking about like respectful because anybody can be respectful like when they want to be. But I'm talking about someone who actually respects you as a person. I think that's attractive.

And I also think that, like I said, I think self-awareness is attractive. And I think when you're self-aware and you have your own money. I like how you keep throwing that money out there. Because you act like me. I'm just saying, yeah. She made sure she mentioned that in every voice. Yeah, because, yeah, I mean, you got to have, you know, you got to have something going on. I got a question before we get out of here.

Have you ever wrote any diss songs or any songs about somebody in the past that, like, end up being, like, a crazy song for you or, like, a really big song for you? Uh-oh. I'm trying to think. I think I always draw from my personal life when I write with people so diss songs that got really big

no I don't think so I think I just write from my personal experiences I think my songs usually come from like I don't know, my songs be sounding kind of toxic a little bit. I realized. I figured it out. Hitch right back. I thought it was about seven and a half.

I don't know. Seven and a half, that's high. I would say six. I would say six. Let's move six and a half. Movable six. That's for the camera. But sometimes I'm very, a three,

very much a three. I'm not dealing with this toxic, you know how women be doing. Women put their hands together. Women be like, I'm not dealing with this toxic shit, but they be toxic. Why are they saying that?

They waiting for their moment. For sure. Yeah. You know the lacking accountability phase. I be guilty of that sometimes. Oh, don't get DJ started. On the lack of accountability. He says every woman

has no sense of accountability. Especially black women. Listen, I will say, I will say, I didn't say any of those things. He said that. That's his camera.

Listen, some people will call me a pick-me-sha for this, but I do think that there's like a reasoning for that like why why women sometimes may lack accountability because like the way society treats you as a woman versus a man like you know something happens to you when you're a little girl you fall and it's oh who pushed you who did that to you who you know like that kind of stuff is like training you to kind of take a, like a victim mentality a little bit.

And I think when it's female energy and male energy, the female energy tends to like, you know, when a female cries, it's like she automatically becomes the victim. I think. I'm not. I think, listen, I'm not a pygmy. I'm not a pygmy, but I'm just honest.

And I just feel like sometimes women, they may lack accountability because they have this softer, more vulnerable side up against a man. And so it's easier to not take accountability for whatever part you contributed to the problem dj you just made his day t i know he's like i'm not gonna fist bump you you have to i told you how you feel because because because i don't want to seem like i'm on the side like You're on the side of right.

Listen, but no, I think men be full of shit too. I think men be full of shit in a way. And with the 520 podcast, men are full of shit. Yeah, no, I didn't say they're, I think men be full of, I think that's like the disconnect between men and women. I just feel like, you know, women can't always take the victim role in, oh, you did this, you did this to me. And like, you're the like, you know, stronger, more dominant person.

So therefore this, you know, sometimes. Yeah. Niggas be wilding too. Yeah, exactly. I think. Yes, exactly. We acknowledge that we be on bullshit. Exactly.

But sometimes I think it's harder for women to, you know. Love that. I'm accountable though. Okay. I respect. I'm accountable though okay I respect I respect it toxic and accountable yeah that's the next single

so more yeah toxic and accountable you gotta write that song toxic but accountable yeah that's a hit right there I actually like that concept a little bit

I'm gonna be you featuring Summer Walker oh that's a vibe that I want T you gotta hey you gotta get some credit

and little me showing his jeans off with that being said and on that note we're gonna get the fuck up out of here T.T. appreciate you sliding on us check out our music shout out to Club 520 shout out to the volume

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