Club Shay Shay - Club 520 - Vaughan Alexander on son Shai Gilgeous-Alexander in Thunder-Pacers NBA Finals

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 67 of Club 520, and on this edition we have special guest Vaughn Alexander, father of Shai Gilgeous-Alexander on the podcast! Vaughn talks about SGA's journey from Canada to Kentucky and then his transition from the LA Clippers to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Plus, SGA's pops gets into the Pacers-Thunder NBA Finals series, SGA winning MVP this year and being snubbed last season, and so much more! And don't miss Vaughn talk about his legendary 1v1 game against his son, and why he "accidentally" lost the footage! Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://promo.boostmobile.com/webuiltanetwork/ytb/ Take advantage of Ridge’s once-a-year Father’s Day Sale and get UP TO 40% Off right now by going to https://www.Ridge.com/CLUB520 #Ridgepod #Sponsored #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm the host, my name is DJ Wells. We got a special guest in the building, man. We're gonna introduce him, laugh, to my far left. We got my dog, bitch, should be heading out the priorities. How you doing, nasty? What's up, baby? Let's get to it, man. Now, OG, this is his stable right here.

The Black Forces with the white laces, that's his thing. You know what I'm saying? That's how he would, that's how he pop out. Now, up, you know what I'm saying? That's how he would, that's why he pop out. Now up, you know what I'm saying, in Canada, when you see the black Air Force One, what does that represent? That's just the old school, man. That's what the Air Force One's coming way back

before these kids that are wearing it now. When you see that, we just say, yeah, okay, you come from the old school, but then again, you know, the new kids are wearing what, it's all flips, right? They're wearing what we used to wear. Nah, facts, facts. That's what's up, but when I say that, I don't say, yeah,

just keep it at 100, especially with the white laces. Switch it up a bit. Fuck with that. You fuck with that. You look deep on that. My God, right on those, J. Nah, because I know y'all get fresh. Like, you fresh, you know what I'm saying?

I don't get fresh. Chill, bro, you said you fuck with a lead, bro. Hey, you fresh. I'll be honest with you bro, it's about how you move and how you rock it bro. That's how you rock it. It's about comfortability. If you feel comfortable in that shit, really good.

You think he rocking them right? That's how you want it. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Don't know, he can use a one two. Okay. See that's the shoe that like. It ain't bad, it ain't bad.

I ain't mad at him or nothing. Nah, for sure. See that's like, I might ask't bad, it ain't bad. It ain't bad, I didn't really. Nah, for sure. It's all right, so. See that's like, I might ask you for some money at the light and if you say no, I might rob you. That's that shit, you know what I'm saying? It's like, in a high and go type situation. Yeah, yeah, how you move though. Yeah, you see, every go, man.

That's how you move. That's the one, that just knows, like he's trying to make you feel like I'm not that guy. It's like, no, I'm making you feel like, yeah, you can get one over on me. I don't want you to feel that way. You get what I'm saying? I see, I'll keep it vile. I know. I know what you're doing, man. You look him in his eyes though. I don't want you to feel that way. You get what I'm saying? I see.

I'll keep it V.O.B.S. for sure. You know what you're doing, man. You look him in his eyes, though. You might know what I'm saying. Hey, don't fuck with that guy. Yeah, you look somebody in the eyes of Black Forces, please make sure you have sunglasses on. It can get dangerous for sure.

Still to my right, my dawg, Young Nacho. Young T, how you what? I'm chilling, bro. Chilling, chilling. Now, let's get to episode rolling. We already started. It's good vibes. Good vibes for sure, man.

Man, listen, special guest, man. Pull it up to the city, man. NBA finals going on. Man, the OG from up north, man. You heard of the EVP, he the reason why he here, man. Dog, the OG, Bond Alexander, big dog. Appreciate you sliding on us today, man. Appreciate y'all having me, man.

I appreciate you guys, y'all know. I've been watching you guys stuff and you don't know. There's only a few podcasts that I've been watching. You guys, you know, you're talking the having me, man. I appreciate you guys. Y'all know I've been watching you guys stuff and you don't know. There's only a few podcasts that I've ever watched. You guys, you know, you're talking the right stuff. Nah, we appreciate that a thousand percent, bro. You know, on our real ones' podcasts. Why not? Let's do it. Hey, man, it's a blessing, man,

to have you pull up on this, man. Wish you was in the city on a better terms, man. You know what I'm saying? I rock with the sun the longest of ways, man. But unfortunately, you know what I'm saying? I gotta represent for the squad right now. But you got the heat on right now. I got you. You gotta do what you gotta do. But you got the heat on right now. I got you.

You gotta do what you gotta do. But yeah, yeah, yeah. We always got something rocking and something, you know? Yeah. Something, something, you know, representing. We always see your son, you know what I'm saying? He getting the fits off, going crazy with the fashion. Got the shoes out.

Obviously we see he get it from the OG, man. You came in, so Allen. And you got the joints on though, you know what I'm saying? The shape butters. The shape butters. It's tough right there. 001, from the beginning, bottom to the top. You already know what it is.

Yeah, that's his creative, he designed it, you know. That's a little creative swag. So, you know, I gotta represent it with him. Yeah, they. They all say it's a family thing. My nephew wears it, brothers, as a color. Everybody got their own colorway. Moms, mine's just coming up soon,

but you gotta drop that last. No, you know, it can't reveal too much. My colorway is a little bit sunk behind me. You know what I'm trying to say? I feel the hell you're saying, like with the shoe though, man, how that feel for the fam? Well, it's a big deal, man. It's like, you finally, it's a testament

to all the hard work, right? So, you know, you get a shoe deal, you know, you have your own colorways and all that stuff where kids are buying your stuff, wearing your jerseys, all that stuff where you just say, boy, all the hard work's paying off. Yeah. Okay, I'm like a beggar.

Like everybody know me always asking for something. So, we ain't never. We ain't never. We ain't never. We ain't never. We ain't never. We ain't never. We ain't never.

We ain't never. We ain't never. We ain't never. We ain't never. We ain't never. We ain't never. We ain't never. We ain't never. We ain't never. I like them shoes. I only got a pair of them shoes. It would hurt to send us none. I hope you know. It wouldn't hurt to send us a pair.

It would hurt to send us a couple pairs. They're coming out in September. So everybody in their mama right now is trying to get them. You don't know. I'm going to see what I can do for you guys. Okay. Just let me know the sizes and stuff. We'll make sure you got all that information. I'll talk to the head of converse for you guys and make them know.

Converse tap in. We need your vibes, so yo, these are the guys. Converse, tap in, we need your vibes for sure. These guys first, man. We appreciate it, they're the artists. We definitely gonna do a right by them. I got OKC winning the series. Oh, shit. Yeah, I mean, we already up two one right now, so.

That's crazy. We already up two one. We didn't drop, we up two one. We already up two one, so. So now I'm conflicted, because I want some shoes, but I gotta rock my team, so I'm just required in this situation.

The funny part, like you said, the whole family rocking, if you getting your own P.E., it was dope to see him talk about his younger brother, obviously got the blue joints, and he was like, he had some fake Jordans back in the day that was that color that he rocked. So now that he got his own officials, that's fire, man.

Yeah, yeah, now you guys is on that you can say, okay, these ain't fake motherfuckers. Actually my family made them. My son's also the younger one. He's also with Converse on the creative directing team too. So he's doing this thing. And it's like I said, it's a family business, man.

We're rocking together, you know what I mean? That's fire. Michelle, man, we know you was a hooper growing up. What was it like growing up in Toronto, man? Playing basketball, like you said, it's a little bit rough up there. People may not be too familiar with how it is in different countries and things of that nature. What was it like growing up in Toronto, man? Playing basketball, like you said, it's a little bit rough up there. People may not be too familiar with how it is in different countries

and things of that nature. What was it like growing up, you hooping? It was fun, man. We used to hoop to the end, bro. Morning to night, go around to different different courts and King of the Court type of stuff. You lose, you come off. And I'm not gonna lie,

a lot of the courts we went to, we stayed on. Once I had my five, we stayed on. So you was like that. Yeah, we was gritty, man. We was gritty with it. And we used to win. And it was like that. Yeah, we were, we were, we were, we were gritty, man. We were gritty with it. We used to, we used to win. And it was, like I said, it's the toughest part. Yeah, skill too, but it was that you go into some courts

sometimes you don't want to win because you get your ass kicked after. Some guys will tell you, you can play, but don't you go over there and just let them win the last game or something. We're like, what? You got our five, you got our five, let's do this. So we were always this competitive.

And that's why I think my son, Nikhil, my youngest son, get it to today. Just a competitive nature that we, anywhere in the world, any situation we are, you drop us, we're gonna win. We're gonna win. Do you want to win or do you want to go home? You know, when you come off, that's it.

You're not coming off and waiting for seven more guys to get back on, seven more runs and then come back again. You know, you have to wait for the guys that know. You know, you gotta plan when you get into that gym. There's no room to stay on the court. You know, you got to plan when you get into that gym. Once you get on, we're staying on for the whole day. For sure. All you want to lose is everyone going home. You know what I'm saying? Straight up.

That's a fact. You taking the boys around to the parks with you? Oh, for sure. Is they watching Pops work out there? Oh, for sure. We come from a place called Spareways. And Spareways, our court was on top of a garage. They call it top garage.

That's where our courts was. And that's what they used to be. I'll be balling back in the day and they used to see me and then eventually I used to bring them there and go do my thing and leave them on top of garage while I'm down so we would demand them. And they'd just be whooping hard. And that's where they're crying

and fighting against each other on top. But that's where we started everything. And I brought them back to the same place that we started. You know what I'm saying? You said top garage. Y'all was in there at what? Bubba Rim with him, boy.

That's so smug. That's all snuggled up. No, no, no, actually the court is on top. Literally on top of us. You gotta go up these stairs to get there, but you come from the Swarovski, you know what's up. Okay. That's dope. Was there any difference between,

I don't know if you had a chance to experience it as you got older or younger, like playing in your hometown and then coming to a USA and hooping? Was it a different style of basketball or was just basketball just kind of universal for y'all? There's a little bit of difference when it comes to like the USA side to it,

I think where, well, my first experience, mine was a while back, right? But when I used to go out there in the States and play against you guys back in the day, I just realized that one thing I noticed that it could have been fat, tall in between, you guys all had handles. Everybody, you see a big fat guy would handle.

Yeah. Something like that, I just noticed that. But then at the end of the everybody, you see a big fat guy would handle. You know what I mean? Something like that. I just noticed that. But then at the end of the day, it's just ball. The hoop's the same size. The backboard's the same size. Same size court. Let's just go get it. So we never had no fear, no disrespect to you guys. You know, basketball was your thing and hockey was supposed to be ours. We just went at you guys.

And that's when I actually when I played against you guys for the first time, I knew like, yeah, OK, we can do this. I mean, but my life was shaped a certain way. Started having kids realizing that, you know, maybe these hoop jeans are just literally hoop jeans because it's not maybe one out every three million Canadian guys to make it to the NBA. It wasn't like now. So we're like, yo, bro, I don't know.

I got to go get paid. I'm having kids right now. So that's why I didn't really get deeper, deeper as it passed high school. But I also realized that the mistakes I made and shit. Now, you know what? I'm going to make you when I made this, you know, I'm going to make him like I got all. I think I got it all in my head and, you know what? I'm gonna make a U. When I make this U, I'm gonna make him. I think I got it all in my head, and the skills, and I knew how to do it.

I wasn't 6'6", like my son, but I knew that if I make a U and I teach him all those things, the morals, and more importantly, how to be the man, and the right type of man, and how to survive all this bullshit that's going on in the world, basketball is like a secondary thing.

I can get them somewhere, like a free education. The NBA's bonus and all that stuff. Nobody knows about the NBA, but I teach you all this shit shit and you get a free education, get off the block and get somewhere and go meet your wife and have some kids and never come back to Toronto. I did my job. So the NBA was just a bonus thing. That's dope, man.

Obviously Jeff is our alma mater high school coach now. So you deal with parents, especially parents who grew up, had hoop dreams, or they may have been somewhere and then they try to instill that in their kids. It's funny to hear the things that you say that you value. It's not like you push yourself for that for the different reasons that most people do.

It's for, at regardless of what happens, you gonna have a better chance at life. We get so many parents now, they just pushing their kids from sixth grade to be NBA players. It's just interesting to hear y'all dynamic with that because you coach these kids every day. It's on the MVP and imagine him saying,

he just wanted him to be a good man. Like that's crazy. We got parents. Yeah, we gotta close that up. That's really what it is. That's really what it is. We gotta close that up. I know if you're coaching, you see that a lot. You know, you got parents that live in vicariousness

to their youth. For sure. No, I do it a little bit too. Come on, man, I don't give a fuck. I'm in the middle of a show. After the game. You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

Yeah, man. But like, come on, you gotta be calm with it and be like, yo, it's their time to shine, let the trail rain, be in the back burner a little bit. I know how to do this. Like I said, where I come from, the cameras wasn't something that you kind of stay away from, because you're not,

we weren't always doing the best thing. We didn't want to be on camera. So I still know how to act like, you know, it's like, okay, the cameras are here, let's just do the right thing on camera. And then when we're off the camera, you know, it's like, okay, the cameras are here, let's just do the right thing on camera. And then when we're off the camera, then you know, let's have a little fun. When did you realize that he had a chance though,

to do something with basketball? Wow, that's a good question. Probably like, I get that one often too, but it's a good question. Cause people think that they, you have some people saying that I knew, when we was like 10, 12, or they knew because of the politically correct politics.

You know when you're politically correct and you're number one ESPN, this dad from your 15, 14, they're saying this guy in 2020, 29 drafts is going to be the number one pick. No, no, you got guys like that. Shay them weren't really like that. Or ESPN maybe like what, top 26, Nikhil was 23. So I guess, what's the five star, 25? So Nikhil was like 23, a five star. Shay was just outside of a five star. So it wasn't like we knew anything. And I was guaranteed, but I did believe, sorry about that guys, I did believe in all the hard work that they put in and the way I've seen these guys grind

all the way up and all, like being better than their peers too. They're always like about two, three years better than their peers. So I always think they had an opportunity to do something great. The NBA, like I said, is like, it's 450 years in the NBA. So there's no one's like, I'm gonna say to you, I had 15, 16, I knew they were gonna be in the NBA, but at 15, I said, yo, this guy really has a chance because Shea was on the Canadian national team at 17.

Right? Nobody's done that before. And Steve Nash is the guy that put him on there and looked at him and said, sorry guys, and said, yo, this guy is the guy. You know what I'm saying? Steve Nash is the guy that I saw for first and looked at me and said, yo, this guy's a lottery. I think he was 17 when he said that. I was in my mind, I was like, you know, yo, this guy's a lottery. I think he was 17 when he said that.

I was in my mind, I was like, you know, wow, this is crazy, I wonder if that's true. But at the same time, like I said, looking at what he's doing and stuff, I don't wanna see conceited or cocky, but I just kinda believed it. You know what I mean? So if you could answer your question long,

soon, sure, probably around that time. 17. 15, 17. It never hurts to have a two-time MVP, so yeah, he all right. If he feels so, yeah, let me look at this. But like I said, I always, like I said, they're always about two, three years

ahead of the head of the competition. So it wasn't crazy to see someone say, yo, he might be NBA ready, like NBA prospect. Cause they're always, if they stayed two years better all the way up, then they're going to be NBA. Yeah, in fact. You know what I mean? Nah, for sure.

Like my little brother went to Kentucky, so I wanted to ask you, like I know Coach Cal know him very well. Like what made Shay pick Kentucky? You like the kid goes down south, he goes to Kentucky. Oh my God, yeah I got you guys. You lit.

Yeah, yeah. He lit. When it comes to Kentucky with Shay, that's like, I don't know if you know that story, but Shay originally committed to Florida, you know that, right? And we was like, I think he went down to Tennessee, Chattanooga, Tennessee in his junior year, maybe? Yeah, junior year.

And that was his first time being in the States. Didn't have that many offers. A lot of people didn't know a lot about him. So maybe he didn't know, like, you know, how good he was. And so I tell people, you gotta number one, believe in yourself first. That's the first thing, you gotta be careful and comfortable in your own skin.

This is who I am and don't let anybody sell you out until you don't sell yourself short. If you know who you are, it's hard to sell yourself short. So when he went down there first, he was like, wow, I got the first offer from Florida. I remember this, he called me and said, yo, I need some money to go on this visit. I said, yeah, no problem, send him the money.

Last time I said to the motherfuckers, do not commit know, they need some money to go on this visit. I said, yeah, I don't promise. Send them the money. Last time I said the motherfuckers do not commit to none of these motherfuckers. Yeah. Because you just got to the States and you remember he's nice. And he's had like an unsigned hype, like no one really know about it. But he was skinny still. But I you know, you always believe more in your in you and me personally, in my kids and myself, what I built and other people. You know, you build.

So I guess the coach of Florida saw him and said, yo, this is like a fucking steal. And they offered him, which they do, right? But it was early. He'd probably been in America for like literally four weeks. So now you have the whole season, this is before the season even starts. You have the whole season to play at this motherfucking site.

And he has two more years of high school left. I said, motherfucker, what the fuck? He calls me and tells me, why would you do that? You know what I mean? So then after he says, oh, daddy, you know, I believe in these guys and they're telling me there's shit and bullshit and I believe in them. I said, yeah, you do that? You know what I mean? So then after he says, oh daddy, you know, I believe in these guys and they're telling me there's shit and bullshit and I believe in them. I said, yeah, you believe, all right, well,

we're gonna see, let's just do it. You got hair on your chest now, right? Hair on your balls now, right? Do your thing, I'm gonna make you do your thing. I'm not gonna be the guy, because all their life I was that guy, they said, yo, pull from this scene. Fuck that, fuck that coach. I'm not gonna lie, I was that guy.

Now you're about 16, 17 and you're doing your own thing. I don't want him to feel like 18. He only started to be men like fuck. And then he really started to tune you out after that. So let him make his own mistakes at this point. So I was like, and that was, I knew it was a mistake. Cause nobody knows who the fuck you are. Yeah, you're better than that.

You just, you don't even believe in yourself as much right now, shit. You know what I'm saying? So then when he went and did that for about, remember he's playing the season for about four months by about January, mother fucking calls me and says, yo, daddy, you're right over there, decommit, I'm gonna fucking suck you. Cause he's got, as for about four months. By about January, mother fucking calls me and says, yo, daddy, you're right, I'm gonna decommit. I'm gonna fucking Kentucky.

As soon as he decommitted, about 50 schools called. Some of them he's killing it throughout the whole. Now they know who the fuck you are. But you didn't know who the fuck you are. Every day. What I was telling you, yeah, daddy, you're right, I'm gonna Kentucky. You know what I'm saying?

And that could literally have changed the trajectory of his career. You know, going to Kentucky, everybody that goes to Kentucky goes to the league, whether you're good or not, you go what I'm saying? So, and that could literally have changed his projection for his career. You know, going to Kentucky, everybody that goes to Kentucky goes to the league, whether you're good or not, you go to the league. You know what I'm saying? So, but I believe that with the hard work and his work ethic, he would have made it no matter what.

But that route could have been a two, three year route. You know, you get coaches that wanna hold you to win a championship and all kind of shit, which is kind of like what my nephew kind of went through. You know what I'm saying? He went around a different route. You I mean, if my nephew went the way where I went to a football school, how much I believe in myself, if you get what I'm trying to say.

Yeah. I mean, it wasn't like, oh, I don't believe that I can get to Kentucky or Maryland or do because you had those offers. My nephew, he just said, yo, I'm going to do the different route. They did this little tug of war between them. You know what I mean? One's going to do it. They say one to do that. We're going to meet at the top type of thing.

We're not going to the same school. That's crazy. I'm surprised they didn't wanna go to the same school. That's crazy. No, no, let's worry, let's go at it. Just like in the finals. The finals, I was about to ask you about that. This shit is hard, it's a problem right now.

Yeah, not to fast forward too far from it, but what's that feeling like to see, you know what I'm saying, your nephew, your baby boy going at it, what a high is that, with all the chips on the line. Just humbling, blessings, praises to the father, the most high, whatever you guys wanna boo, that we're gonna talk to.

Whoever you believe in, praises, bro, because like I said, there's a more, there's a higher being than us. Yes, sir. And I'm here for a reason, I believe, and I'm just living on my dream right now, and everything's just starting to align, and that's why I'm just blessed.

So, still gotta pinch myself sometimes, obviously, but I feel good, man, I just feel good. But how are you in the crowd, man? Are you like, you torn, bro, in the crowd? Like, how you actin'? Like, what's the energy? Like, you know Shay is like, Shay, so you know he the MVP, so are you like, Nikhil, like, get buckets, bro?

Like, are you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I built both of them in a sense, when I say built both of them, to be like, you know, go at each other. Right. So it's always been sharing. And they played on the same team a lot. It's always been easier to share for both of them.

And then when they go against each other recently, I mean, honestly, I catch myself in some like, oh, no, stop. Pro-lime shade. Oh, shit. Nikhil, cut him off. Fuck. You don't get a chance to really fucking celebrate. You know, it's fucked up. But at the same time, it's a good problem to have. You know what I'm not going to lie,

there's times when Nikhil does something and like when they blew out, blew out OKC in that game in Minnesota, I'm with him in Minnesota, they blew him up by 40, like a C-share on the bench, I'm looking over his face, on the baseline and I hope he doesn't see me. Like, yes, fucking Nikhil, I'm gonna try to fucking see him.

Cause he went crazy then. He was over. Make sure he doesn't see you fucking Nikhil, I mean, fuck this. He was crazy then. He was over. He was over. Make sure she doesn't see it, all right? But then, same thing, when she does something, you know what I mean? I know Nikhil's pissed, and one time we get to see her, chicken wing Nikhil and bunks in my background.

I was like, damn. I was like, that's my boy. That's all you need, you know what I mean? Bunks him, yes. It's so hard, that's why I've been telling them to go from the driveway at each other. I used to tell her, because she was number one in Canada from the driveway at each other. I used to tell her, because Niki was number one in Canada, Shay was number two, I used to tell her,

Shay, if you don't catch Niki, you're fucking up. Niki, you let Shay catch you? What the fuck did you do? How'd he catch you? So that was the- Oh yeah, so you turned them in the war. Yeah, they're still against each other. And it's the same way right now.

It's just competition, bro. You know what I mean? It's not any competition. I guess I can imagine the family group chat was probably lit during the conference finals. Oh, for sure, for sure, yeah. Me and my sister are still like beefing right competition, bro. You know what I mean? It's not any competition. I guess I can imagine the family group chat was probably lit during the conference finals. Oh, for sure, for sure. Yeah, me and my sister are still like beefing right now. But you know what I mean?

It's all love. When I say beef, you know what I mean? Nah, yeah, yeah. For sure, for sure. It's all love, bro. It's all love. Yeah, when we first realized we played against each other, it was just like, yeah, she texted me and said,

yeah, yeah, it's on now, let's go. Yeah, we'll see. You know what I'm writing, man. I haven't lost too much of these bets yet. Let's go. Let's roll with that. Where that fashion sense come from for him, man? I see you swag. You got the Burberry shades. I say it comes from them a lot.

They're just very, very creative, very comfortable in their own skin. Of course, obviously, they see me going off high, moving how I want to put myself together. But then you look at my parents, and my parents are very fashionable. Look at my dad, and you know, you probably think, you know, he's acting like he's 12, you know what I mean?

So I guess that's where I get that aura too, and that, you know, young white image. But at the same time, I'm gonna give it to them, but you look at all three of them, there's no way to put themself together. You just gotta know to put yourself together. It's just a kind of a gift, I guess, what people have, whether you have it or you don't.

I just didn't know if that was where y'all come from. Y'all gotta make sure y'all step outside the shop. Oh, for sure, for sure. When you come outside, you're making sure, you know, you represent yourself right. You're not coming home sloppy with maté in your eye and you know what I mean, one shoe untied. No, no, no, you represent.

We're going to the game, we're going to the game clean. Clean as a family. Okay. People could tell you about that. That's Fox. No, no, no. You represent. We're going to the game. We're going to the game clean. Okay. As a family. Okay. People could tell you about that. Yeah, that's Fox. That's dope, man. We've been seeing a lot of dope NBA dads. Obviously, we know who you are. But it's funny seeing you and OG John Halliburton the picks together.

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And I'm trying to tell people like, yo, there's no real malice. There's no beat. There couldn't be, man. We're black NBA dads that have sons in the NBA and one of us is going to get a ring. How do we lose, man? You win, I still win. But you know, I don't want you to fuck with me. I'm going to win.

We have a black NBA dad that's in the finals. You know, we're all happy. That's fire. Yeah. Yeah. We have a black NBA dad that's in the finals. You know, we're all happy. That's fire. Like we don't lose. We're showing the world that black dads take care of their kids. Yes, sorry. Which is the opposite sometimes, the narrative we get. You know, that, you know, there's a lot of moms, NBA,

like, you know, the moms you see and the dads just run around. And I'm trying to change that. Hence is why we have this podcast called Basketball Dads. Yes, sir. It's me and a few basketball great dads that are doing the same thing like me. And we're just making people know that, yo, dads are important and they're actually there.

What do you guys know that they're not? You know what I'm saying? That's dope. Like you, T-Morant. Yeah. Come on man, LeVar Ball. We gotta get that together, man. I know y'all got a pod dropping on the way, man.

We gotta get the episode off. We got some names coming, don't worry about it. Oh yeah, okay. That's fire, I didn't know that. That's man. We got to get the episode off. We got some names coming, don't worry about it. Oh yeah, okay. That's fire, I didn't know that. That's hard. You're gonna hear some more about it. Father's Day, Father's Day, at Basketball Dad's. Trust me, check it out, creators of greatness.

Nah, we definitely gonna check that out. That's what we're creating, we're creating greatness out here. That's the name of the pod, created. Creators of greatness, Basketball Dad's creators. That's fire. That's fire. Shout out to the ladies, I'm about to be here.

Yeah, cause you still got Dale Curry. Yeah. Oh, you gonna have some names on there. I'm sure, I'm sure you guys got kids. You guys are basketball dads, man. Yeah. You're creating greatness. I was trying.

He was like, Edgar said, what, I'm going to the NBA. No, no, no. It's saving my greatness. It's saving my greatness. Saving my greatness. Saving my greatness. It's crazy.

This time, that boy, he cap going over there. That boy shooting, he's shooting blanks, bro. Oh. I like this thing. Just now though, man. It's not wrong. It's not wrong. It's all good. This girl is the same. Still doing it, man. I like this thing. It's still doing it, man. Don't worry, man. You just give me your girl and I'll breed her. No, no. Guarantee you. Guarantee you.

If you have my genes, you'll be a fucking man. You can't say that. OG, I don't respect you. You can't say that. My boy about to be pissed. No. We speak. That works too, right?

He's joking. Don't listen to him. Guarantee you got my genes, right? I'm not talking about genes and shit. This is about to be crazy. Then I'm gonna train him every day, like genes plus me training him, that's what it's gonna be. He's still going.

That's one of the fucking leagues. I'm just playing. No, I'm just playing around. He said I know how to make MVP's. I can, I can, I can, I can. I can do this. Oh shit. Oh dog. Oh shit! Oh man.

Oh man, this is what you need. Look at him, he about to bark this down. Oh yeah. I have to finish the joke. I want you to read the disrespect. No, no, no, no, no. Nah, no, that's love. We joke all day.

The moral joke is like, Nah, it's love, it's love. You understand it, it's not just like, Nah, nah, nah. That's what we do on our names. That's just funny as hell. Oh shit. Here girl, I'm so sorry to you, bro.

Nah, it's all good. Nah, it's all good. My girl too, you know how I read. No. That's real, bro. Did you follow that book? We see why that book was reading. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. Me and Me Heavy. Nah, y'all funny as hell, man. Hilarious, man. I'm gonna fuck with Me Me Heavy. Now, obviously he gets to Kentucky. What's that adjustment period like for you as far as, you know, like you said, you've always given him guidance.

Now he's in a new stage in life. Kentucky is everywhere, Mainstay, John Calipari, frontline, I know he dealt with a little bit of adversity once he got to college. What's that like as you guide him through the next phase in life? Basically, at the end of the day, man, adversity is something that you deal with on your own, man.

So how you look at things and then backs against the wall, you actually react, you get more aggressive where your backs against the wall, you turn into a little shell, you get knocked. Adversity is how you deal with it. I don't think we look at life as that much adversity. Adversity is like a problem that you can't solve. You know what I'm saying? Right now, we got the answer. It's like, yeah, man, not to everything, but you sit down and think about it. There's an answer. So I don't really think of it. It's like right now, OK, how do we beat the win this game tonight?

And you're thinking about it. It's it's something. So maybe it's a problem that you have. But when you have the answer to it, J. Dubjof gets his numbers. Parnstein plays big. Chet does his thing. She does does she, right? Just do your work.

Just do what you do and everybody does does their role. Not even better than what they do. We don't have to expect more from it. Just do what work, just do what you do. And everybody does their role, not even better than what they do. We don't have to expect more from them. We just do what you normally do. We are right. So adversity, we don't have no adversity. We don't worry about adversity when it comes to anything. I'm trying to say if God answers your question, you don't deal with adversity. Adversity is kind of like dealing with like a problem that to me,

I think if you put things on your head like this is adversity, I even put it in that category of adversity. They're almost winning. Just look at it like, so we got a deal. I got the answer. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, so.

Now listen, this man over here, B-Hand, he was very early on the OKC train, very early on the shape prize for sure, man. He's right to cheer for this team, man. God, that's why I love that joke you just told, because we wanted the same, but. That's what, that's what. You're on the two, two, two, two,

one thing, I got you. Facts, so I was starting to become a fan, like yeah, when he was at Kentucky, but when I started seeing him, and what it was with LA. Yeah, I started seeing him change and shit, and I always told him, like he had basketball hair for real, of course he played it, but you know what I mean?

Once he got to OKC, I was like, I felt like that was like the James Harden lead to OKC. Like I felt like he was going to change the franchise. That was a changing moment in his life, obviously. When it first happened in the summer, I think we were at summer league and it was like, damn, because obviously he had a good rookie year, you know what I mean?

You're in LA, you're ages in LA, you're settled, you know, you're living there, it's LA, it's hot. And bam, OKC, and obviously at first, like damn, but then I'm telling you about 29 seconds later I was like, Che, we're both in the OKC in Vegas together. You know, this is this is it. This is the this is the TSN turning point. Your life is going to start to move because, yeah, you're doing well in LA

and yeah, Doc's playing you and you're starting at one point in the career. We got so they weren't really letting you go. And Patrick Beverly bringing up the ball. You had Lewin's bringing really letting you go. You had Patrick Beverly bringing up the ball. You had Lewin's bringing up the ball. You had Avery Bradley bringing up the ball. None of those guys ain't point guards. Coming out of Kentucky, he was a real point guard. Yeah.

A ball on his hand. So I don't see how you come from that to come bring up the ball, go run to the corner, shoot three to be a three and D. No, motherfucker. Now it's time for you to really be who you are. Yeah. We got to OKC now. Still playing behind Chris Paul.

I remember Chris Paul was still there. So they had played like a staggered one, like a combo one a little bit. And that time, if you remember, I don't know if you guys remember, people still wonder, is he a real one? Isn't he a two? I don't know if you remember that. They were kind of saying, is this guy a two? Is he a combo? And people weren't really sure because he was, like I said,

kind of playing comboish in L.A. Second year, he was a combo behind Chris Paul. But he learned obviously a lot off of Chris Paul. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of shit. So now Chris was gone the second year. And that's when you really see the real Shea. But I knew that, noticed that from day one. Because that's what he was all his life.

A point guard with the balls in. Making decisions. It's not just his scoring. Shea's the type of you that's really going to read and react. You know? He's not going to... That's why they say you can't speed him up and stuff like that. But it's because of the read.

The game's always told him for real. He's really not making up his mind to do anything. I want to see what the defense does. Yeah, I mean, I'm on a reading, right? I know you know that as a point. Yeah, I react and put you crap dribble you. I mean, like the best do that. You know what I'm saying?

And a lot of guys that get sped up because they're making up their minds, saying, oh, I'm going to step in from now. Like you can't decide to fucking your own stuff until you bite on your fucking. And then you say, OK, I'm doing that. If you ever hear a shit talking about I heard him say a couple of times, he's like, and that's how I know he really is on

what I'm on, where it's like he said, the thing that makes me the best is I don't know what I'm gonna do. And you know what that means, you're just really reacting, I can do anything, but I'm gonna wait to see what you do, and then I know what I have to do. You know what I'm saying?

Simple. Yeah, I think that's why it makes it so easy for him to score in the NBA, because he's like the smooth, we talk about it all the time, he's literally the smoothest. Smoothest scorer in the whole league. He don't even look out his sweat when he out there hooping,

man, effortless. Yeah, he's actually too cool for school, yeah. I know that, I know all about that. Motherfucker, you're the coolest motherfucker. I know that. Do you think like, everybody was like preaching, shooting threes when he first got in the league, I know I'm sure people still talk about him shooting threes.

Do you think Chris Paul coming to that team and like him shooting that mid range like that helped Shay? Like. 100%, 100%. Chris Paul, same thing I'm talking about, the crab dribbling. Even though, I know you guys are probably talking about even the free throw merchant thing.

If you remember Chris Paul, the type of guy that gets in the lane, you reach out your hand to him. Yeah. And he'll go up into you. But he more, no disrespect to that more than Shay. Shay's not really free-true merchant drawing foul. He's, he's using angles and change of pace.

Yeah. I'm gonna up fake. You get in the air, you're done. We all know that. What the fuck you doing in the air? Once you go up, I'm gonna go up and you're coming down on top of me. Am I drawing a foul? Well, yes. Because the fucking rules of the game have fouls in them. You don't want me to draw no fouls. Just changing rules. All the fouls of the game.

We'll play fucking football basketball. We can do that too. Just don't call no fouls on me and I'll clothesline you. And if you fucking clothesline me back on ducking, and we see who wins. There's rules to this. You can't just foul foul, right? So you got a free-true word change.

It's actually just changing pace. There's that, change of pace, stop me, you know, you're gonna blow with me. You're gonna catch me in the air angle. It's angles, it's change of pace, it's changing direction. He's gonna change the pace, stop me, you know, you're gonna blow into you, you're gonna catch me in the air angle. It's angle, just change the pace, change the direction. Nah, fucks. It's brains. Nah, I understand it, but I know fans don't like it

because when you got that much creativity, I could make you foul me at any point. I have many points I could make you foul me when people got that much creativity. You gotta be disciplined on defense. I'm not trying to punch you, but you gotta be disciplined on defense. Yeah. I remember, I'm doing the same thing. This is what I tell people all the time. If I'm that guy that's making you foul.

I fiction. Sorry. Sorry, drawing you into those spots where you gotta foul me. On defense, I'm not allowing you to do that. You get what I'm saying? So it's on you now to stop fouling, mother fucker. Nah, James Harden has the same thing.

Just play defense the right way and don't foul me, bro. Don't foul me, because that's good defense. You know what I'm saying? That's it. Same thing, James Harden. Why didn't you a part of that to your game? I did, I used to go to free throw line a lot. Okay.

I did all that stopping behind the screen and letting people run into me, shoot them. Throw your butt out. Yeah, rip through hands. I did that, that's how I guaranteed I was gonna have eight points again. Like, I swear, I knew that. that's how I guaranteed I was gonna have eight points again. I swear, I knew that. That's guaranteed fucking money.

So that was a guarantee eight. Yeah, when I wanted to end, then at the end of the game, you know if it's a close game, they foul, I should run and get the ball and just hold it. Give me a foul, I'm trying to get extra points. It's part of the game. So two, three, four points at the end of the game. We in the bonus.

Nah, I already know, I think it's genius what he'd do. I wish more people would do that, but they try to take it out the game for my guy, Trey Young, Trey Young used to do it, but they took that out the game a little bit. But KD and them, he's the old dude, the rip through three, get free throw. And like I said, man, you just can't get caught

with your hand in the cookie jar. All right, let's just say it is a little bit of a free throw drawing thing. Once you realize, I told my kids that, adapt the way they're calling the game. So once you realize that dude, you don't do that no more. You gotta fucking like, you know. But once you realize, I tell my kids that, adapt the way they're calling the game. So, eventually you don't do that no more. You gotta fucking, you know when a man comes down, you keep your hands, sorry, you keep your hands big.

Right? So, you don't, once you do that, it's going to be a foul, when it's not a foul. You know what I'm saying? But if you discipline yourself to keep it, not go down and reach and all these things, there's no foul call. You're not getting no, there ain't calling fouls

that aren't there, is what I'm trying to say. There are actually calling fouls that actually happen. So, stop fucking fouling. Just sitting on the beach on the beach. Take that Doris Burke. Nah, for sure. Outside of, you know, nephew and your son, who's some other player that you like in the NBA?

Cade Cunningham. Some young guys coming up. Cade damn we got that. And man, man, man, my guy. Fuck with him every child. Hey, what's all that? Some young killers. Dork. Fuck with Dork, because it's the way he just plays.

Every class play that is left. You don't got that. You don't got that motor and that energy. Like a lot of kids could use that and just have a career. Yeah, not you know, I mean, um, I fuck with Katie. I like how he's his whole career. You know what I mean? Yeah, things obviously, you know, different parts of everybody's game that you know, you're picking you like what they don't like those. I like those are the most guys that I think right now are playing.

I don't have a deep bag because of guys that I can pick out of my head right now because I'm also focused on Nikhil and Shay. All I can think about is Nikhil. Nikhil's my favorite player, so is Shay. So DJ, DJ think Lou Dortz a hack, man. Nah, Lou Dortz one of the best fans in the NBA, but right now, man, I'm hating right now.

If I wasn't gonna get shot, I'd show love, but I gotta hate right now, man, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to the NBA, but right now, man, I'm hating right now. If I wasn't going to get shot, I'd show love, but I got to hate right now, man. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to the Thunder. But Lou Dour and Caruso be causing havoc, and I am tired of seeing them. I cannot wait till this series is over, man. I get it, bro.

I get it, bro. Those guys are fucking pestilence in people's lives. They be locking up. It blitz everything. I love that shit because I always thought, like, it's so funny, even when the killer shader was going up, I was more big on defense. Anybody that knows us when we were younger, I was always like,'s so funny. Even when the killer shadow going up, I was more big on defense. Anybody that knows us when we're younger, I was always like, move your feet.

It's sad. No answer. So like it's crazy. I was there. They're always offensively good. But defense is the thing, because, you know, everybody wants to be offensive. But the one thing that people don't do is play defense. They don't rebound. So I was always being on those things. Do what people don't want to do to get what people don't have.

You have to do what people want to fucking do. So you're going to play defense better than everybody. You're going to move your feet. And yes, don't want to do. To get what people don't have, you have to do what people don't fucking do. So you're gonna cheat, you're gonna play defense better than everybody, you're gonna move your feet, and you're actually gonna rebound. You're gonna rebound the ball. See the ball go up, you're not gonna look at the ball, you can look at your man, go like this. When the ball goes up, you don't look at the rim. You find your man, box the fuck out.

Those two things, like I think right now, a kid can get to the league, after 14 points in the game, it's not that crazy hard, even though it is, if he made up his mind to do it, like how Rodman and those motherfuckers do it. You know what I'm saying? It's an action career out there that's like a spot in the NBA.

You know what I mean? Just like defense. Go play defense sick as fuck. You can get there. Because everybody can hit a fucking jump shot from the corner three. And so you can always be a three and D if you just play sick D.

You get what I'm trying to say? That's a fact. You get paid. You get what I'm saying? Like. That's a fact. You get paid. You get cash out. Everyone wants to be fucking Duncan and Ant-Man stuff and I get it, it's fucking sick. But that whole flash is just for the flash.

It's like a life, you know what I mean? It's like the glitter in the goal sometimes. Fuck all that shit. Do the grimy shit, the lunchbox shit. That shit pays too. Man, we just watched Mitchell Robinson have a research of his career off rebounding. Then scored a ball, rebound, passed it out.

He's about to get paid. You need to make a free throw. They hacking him. It don't matter. We're sending him to the game because you get extra possessions. There you go. I mean, I look at him, he's just probably like, you know, you're not going to look at him,

this guy that you're going to find like a diamond in the rough, but it's someone that that's his. He made that his niche. Yeah. And if you do that, I just think so obvious. But I see sometimes I see things that people don't see. I mean, I just look at it like, bro, if I was going to make you right now, I'm a tournament to wicked rebound. I can bring I can teach you everything else after that. You know what I'm saying? Because you will get better at everything else.

You know what I'm saying? But if I make you like 14 rebounds a game, I'm gonna obviously, your free throw shooting is gonna be good. Obviously you're gonna be hitting a 15 foot jump shot. I'm gonna get you left, right, finish at the rim. I'm gonna get you the drop steps, turn, spin. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna get you that eventually. But if you can give me 14 rebounds,

that's all you can do right now. I'll work with that. And then what's his ceiling, bro? That's an all-star, son. Yeah. Now I gotta ask you this question, obviously. OJU Pops, you seen him growing up as they progressed their game.

At one point, did that stop playing one-on-one? Oh, for sure, a long time. One point, a long time ago, a long time ago. At one point, he caught you, he was just like, okay, I gotta leave this long. A long time ago, but I'm not gonna lie. I took him on one day, and he had a summer camp, and I took him on the other day.

I'm not gonna lie, but it was like a little friendly thing. You know, there's some footage of that, but ain't nobody gonna see that. Ain't nobody gonna see that. I think I fucking have the guy tied up right now that has the footage, tied up in the basement. They gotta have the footage. Nobody's seeing that. Yeah, cause I'm gonna tell you what happened.

So I can at least tell you what happened. It wasn't good. Like he made a move and I kind of fell. So that's, ooh. Oh yeah, you got it. You got it. You know that's true. You gotta leave it right.

Like LeBron, delete the kit. You gotta delete the camera. Before, like I said, I. You got it. You got it. You know that's, I gotta leave it right here. Like LeBron, delete the kit. Delete the camera. But before, like I said, I'm big on defense. One time I ripped him. And the other time he went up, I knew I almost blocked a shot. But you see after that, he hit like nine shots in a row. And then after that, it was just like, down the opening. You know what I mean?

And that was recent. That was recent. But that doesn't count too, because now I'm done. If you go back like about when they were like 13, 14, that was the first time. You actually went the first time, you bust my ass, and said count too because now I'm done. If you go back like about when they were like 13, 14, that was the first time. You asked him when the first time he bust my ass and said, I said, I'm done, 14. That was again, it was endurance.

Cause I can still play. But you gotta time. Two minutes and wheezing, bro. You know what I'm saying? A lot of stuff in my chest. You get what I mean? Yeah. Did you ever fight Koshy 101?

Yeah, I beat him like I was like 14. Okay, is that the last time I played too? I quit, I never played him again. That's crazy. He put me on punishment. Cause you been playing him again? He was like, all right, you don't want to play me, you can't go outside.

I don't care. I was on punishment for a month, bro. He said, all right, you still not playing though. I'm not going to play you no more. He was going to post me up. That's crazy bro. I used to bang them still. It's real man. I remember those days and I used to fling them around.

Those days changed real quick. I was like, no, no, no. Like I said, that day when he crossed me up and I fell, I could see him saying, yeah, well, I'll see him from when I want it. You know what I mean? He was giving me back all those days when I used to bat them up.

You know what I mean? I felt it. And you know, he the master, the catcher of IG when I used to bat them up. You know what I mean? For sure. You know, he the master, the catcher of IG. He gonna fry that up with a crazy lyric underneath it. Yeah. No, no, that's not coming up. No, for sure. It's fully archived.

We always talk about the, you know, so our golden days, we grew up playing basketball outside and now you got all these kids with professional trainers and stuff like that. Obviously coming from you, somebody who has put kids in the NBA. How do you feel nowadays, you see so many kids who go to like,

basically like mechanical workouts, everybody has a trainer, like what's missing? The kids need to go outside and play basketball, they just need to be born fives. Or what do you think the kids will probably work on to make their games better than some of the output we're seeing right now? There's a couple of things like,

back to kind of what I said with the, just finding the niche that nobody ain't doing. You know what I mean? Like if you're trying to get really get into on a make a team even, I'm talking about the NBA. They start off just trying to make a team or rebound. You're the best rebounder on the team. The coach might put you on the team. You're the best defender on that team. Coach might need you. Like a lot of times there's been time when you the coach needs to win a game. And the coaches on this political shit and playing their son.

Now the game's closing. He needs to win. You see him Johnny go because Donnie can lock down their best score. And he hasn winning team. Johnny go because Johnny can lock down the best scorer. And he hasn't played Johnny all game because Johnny can't score, but now he needs someone to stop this guy. He's flinging in Johnny. He's flinging in Johnny. You see what I'm saying?

So just be those things that people aren't number one. That was the first thing. And then a lot of the grassroots stuff, the fundamental stuff, I think people are trying to, like I said, they're going to the gym, shooting a bag of threes, trying to dunk. And that's not what you work on when you go to the gym.

I think you work on like, you know, form shooting, your handles, footwork, you know, endurance. Like a lot of stuff, it sounds a little corny cliche, but that's how we grew up. That's how our stuff works, I think it just works. That's why shea, the kill, they're like throwbacks. People say that and I think they are the way they play. She's not truly, yeah, you can dunk over, you can dunk,

but you probably won't see like an atman high language. You're not gonna probably see Shay dunk over four man. Which he probably has it after this has been two. You know what I'm saying? But it's a different style of game, right? So you'll see one dunk every six months. Two every six months. But you're gonna see like fucking every game

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Not a lot of Americans, no disrespect to the Americans, but I think the game is getting a little bit fundamental away from it's more bigger, faster, stronger words. Now, fuck that. Go back to skill and fundamental training. That's what the guys in Europe and France and all those other Canada, because we're humbled with this. We're happy to fucking just be in the room with them. You guys, a lot of the American side now, it's like we're here and we're a little bit entitled to be here.

And it's our game. And you know what I mean? So we're already in the room and no, you got to fucking do more right now because the game is catching up. You got specials facts. You can be mad at me, you just do the facts. Just do the math and see if I'm wrong. Most definitely. We talk about all the kids all the time.

You got Don Chich and you got Fanta Cupo. Then you got, what was it next? The friends, Wimby Yamma, Killard, and you got Shady. Careful guys, I don't know. It's trending that way. I don't know if you guys want to season 2020 or anything. Canada's gonna be ready in 2020. You think you're gonna beat the US? Well, I say we're ready to go. Y'all think y'all gonna beat the US?

Well, I say we're ready to go. I don't know. I don't know. Y'all got a whip too. Y'all got my boy Nimby. They got Jamal. They got Newhart. They got Wig.

It's gonna be different from 2020. They got Wig. They don't got no Bigs. They don't got no Bigs. They don't got no Bigs. But y'all gonna be a force. Just know we're coming, you know what I mean? So we didn't medal this one.

Okay, I'll say for sure we're meddling. Yeah, okay. Y'all just know, y'all gonna meddle. Y'all guard play crazy. Good guard. 1000%. They get wicked. It's gonna come down to our bigs.

You see, Zach Eady, Zach Eady develops, I think he'll develop, then you guys will play. It's Christmas. Zach Eady ain't gonna be able to come out the game, Pops. Yeah, he can't. He's gonna have to play off-court. T.M.'s gonna have to come out. T.M.'s gonna have to come out, pops.

We gotta do a little bit of wishful thinking. That's how we do this, bro. We talk things into a wish or a dick. Nah, but Toronto for sure is on the map. I think my first respect to Toronto, I mean, no disrespect to nobody, but I think Wiggins, Andrew Wiggins, I was like damn, he really special.

He was the first person. Nah, he wasn't the first one. That made it to the pros, that was real like high ranked. Yeah. Canada, and Nash. What do you mean ranking and. Yeah, like round time,

who had like a buzz from there. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Drew Wiggins was the first one. He was another one I'm talking about, he was protected from either about 16, 17 to be the number one pick, and he actually ended up being the number one pick. Yeah. So you can say that for sure.

My boy, Wiggs. Shout out to Wiggs, man. That's my guy. That's my guy. That's his guy. Wiggs, all you mean, big up the T-Dot. Yeah. Big up the T-Dot niggas, all you mean.

What kind, I wanna know about the music culture out there in Canada, man. What y'all rockin' to, man? In clubs or just barbecues, anything? It's kind of mixed up, it's multicultural, you know? Me personally, I deal with my, I like my rap, from back in the day, my reggae, stuff like that, so I'm mixed on both sides,

but you can get whatever you want, but it's a lot of, it's like New York. Got you. I don't know how New York would be, you know? But we're a little bit more Caribbean oriented too. We got the Jamaicans and the Antiguan's and the Fidadadi's and the Guyanese. We got the, you know what I mean?

Because like I said, you guys might be born over here and your grandmother or your grandfather would probably be born over here in America too. You'll never find a black guy that's told you his grandmother was born in Canada. If you saw a black guy in Canada, his mother was born in some, his grandparents are born in some Caribbean island. You get what I'm saying?

There's no second, fourth generation Canadian black people. You know what I'm saying? But you guys got fourth, fifth, sixth generation black people over here. You know what I'm saying? See the difference? That's what we have that little Caribbean mix. People say I talk like this, I talk like that.

I just talk like how we talk. It's a Canadian thing. You see what I mean? Yeah. Got you, got you. No, no. I don't sell around. I don't sell around. We trying to, I've never been over there. I see what I mean? Yeah. Got you, got you. No, no. I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding. We trying to, I've never been over there. I'm trying to get over there and I just want to make sure I'm seasoned before I get over there. No, you're good, man. You can roll with me. You're all right, man.

For sure, for sure. I like this nigga. I like this nigga for life. More than good, man. Stop it. Okay, cool, cool. Yeah, I've been to Canada quite a few times. Toronto to be exact.

Yeah, he was blessed. Yeah, one of my favorite cities. I know you know what I'm been to Canada quite a few times. Toronto to be exact. Yeah, he was blessed. One of my favorite cities. I know you know what I'm trying to say. I know you know what I'm trying to say. Yeah, Toronto's a great city. Wonderful city. Oh, man.

That's what's up. So we already up 2-1, man. What do you think we need to do to finish this series out? Man, just like I said, man, everybody do their job, man. It's not even the rocket science here. Okay. Just don't do their job. It's not even the rocket science. Okay. You don't do your job. And what is it?

Let's do what you normally do. I'm not actually do anything more. Nothing outrageous. Now, what scares you about the patients, though? That you can't play around with them. You can't just say, you know, you'll get up by 15 and they're going to come back. You always have to step in their neck.

You get them. Literally, that's the whole in there. Also, they wiggle out and try to do some last minute heroic shit. That's not where I'm. but you always have to step in your neck. You get them, literally that's holding there. Or I'll sort of wiggle out and try to do some like some heroic shit. That's how we're on. So last game we did it okay, but I didn't like how last game that we won the first half,

we kind of didn't win the second. We were up like 19 or 20 after. By 17, that means we didn't win the second half. So I'm trying to win every quarter, that's my thing. How did you feel after game one? Cause I mean, that 20 point, it was up 20. And for Tyrese to hit that shot, watching on TV like the air went out the gym.

You wanna bring back my stomach and stuff. Like you know, I can see what he said, he's all smiling to you. He's all smiling, he's like a real Indian. He just said he was gonna take my wife. Like a real Indian. Like an Indian nigga. Like a real Indian.

He said, so how you feeling? Like, oh, it's up at 20, and you probably be in the video coming back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, talk your shit, man. No, no, no. No, I just know, like, looking at that, because we all was watching it. Like, we were all at the crib, and we shit. 20 point win for the OKC.

We ain't gonna pod tonight. He hit the shot. We all called each other like, yo, we gotta go downtown. Hey, Seth. Yeah, like. I feel that, I 100% agree with that, man. Like I said, man, friendly competition, bro.

If it wasn't like that, like even after we lost, I walked out, remember the arena's right there, I'm sitting in the hotel, right? Walk out, first person I see is fucking Halliburton Daddy. Say, y'all man, I'm like, fuck bro, yeah, we good, man. We can't lose, everything's blessed, but guess what? You know what I say, you Halliburton daddy. He said, yo, man, I'm like, fuck, bro, yeah, we good, man. We can't lose. You know, everything's blessed, but guess what? You know what I say, you're not fucking winning this.

And then the camera's on me, I'm like, fuck, I can't even move my mouth right now. Just feel like, say it doesn't pussy like it over. You know, you're getting hard, you know what I mean? But he's saying, you know, bro, we got this, man. If you win, I win, we win together, man. He's like, yeah, man, I got you too. You know what I'm saying?

Because that's real facts, man, but we gotta put on this, this is and I, when we went together, man. Yeah. Love. That's what I'm saying. Because that's real facts, man. But we got to put on this, this is a composition, bro. But like, I swear, I swear to God, if we lose, which we won't. I'm gonna be happy. I'm gonna be happy for the loser. I'm gonna be happy for the loser. No, that's a good- For sure. Another tough question.

How did you feel last year? Because we all feel like SGA should have got the ABP last year. What was your reaction like last year when we got the results? Yeah, I was like, number one, I kind of knew it. You can tell by the way the connotation is going out throughout the year. And you know, you just kind of know if you know a ball, who they're going to give it to.

So I was like, oh my God, they didn't give it to him. And he got robbed. Because I kind of knew we were going to give it to number one. Number two, when you do things every day, if you wake up and brush your teeth every day and fold your clothes, if you really do it every day, and someone says to you, guess what? We're giving out awards,

we're waking up and brushing your teeth every day. You say, oh fuck, okay, hopefully I'll get it, but you're really giving them out. Well then guess what? You're going to get it next year, bro. You're going to get it tomorrow, because you really do this. I'm not trying to say she does this. Nah, right.

That's what I do, bro. It was a little bit of a letdown. He didn't get it. We didn't think we were going to get it because I knew the fucking connotation and the politics of this shit. Well, then you think about it. Fuck, I can do this next year. I can do it the year after that.

I can do that because I really do this. Some guys, you know, some guys have a good year and it's like, fuck, man, that's his greatest year. I don't think this guy's ever going to fucking do that again. And it's true. Some guys have that peak here and they never did. But I'm telling you, motherfucker, I need 34 next year. You're shooting like what?

Thirty seven, thirty six percent from three. I need you to shoot 42. So that means you're going to get in the gym some more. Like there's always some where you're doing great. That MVP I'm talking to you, right? Do better, motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? So you're going to go in the gym this summer. Then come back and shoot like 39.

He always gives me a little bit. He doesn't give me what I want. He always gives me a little bit. He's gonna give me like a 39, 40. And then two years, he's gonna give me 42. He's gonna fuck up Jordan's numbers. He's gonna give me like 36 a game one day. People don't understand what I'm saying. I'm in Toronto, I'm telling people you can do it.

People look at me like I'm a mad man. Like relax, your son's the MVP. This is obviously before he's the MVP. I've been doing this every year, saying like 24, 45 a game with him. You know, I'm from Canada, that's supposed to be great. We're happy being the NBA. I don't give a fuck about that. No, you better. Right.

Our whole model is just getting better every day. It doesn't have to be a large increment. It can be a small little increment. Yeah. Just get better every day. That's what I have to do to Shay now, because it's almost harder now because he's the MVP. So how do you motivate him? How do you tell him that he's got to get better?

How do you make daddy your nuts? But he's been I've been doing this all my life. So he's like, he already knows I'm nuts. You know what I mean? He goes again, he's gonna tell me to do better three, he's gonna tell me that I should add 50. Yes, motherfucker, you had 42 in the first half, you should add fucking 50.

You know what I'm saying? There's not much games like he does stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, yeah, you should add 60. You know what I'm saying, buddy, you always have to give him that to make him feel like saying, sometimes they say, yo, this guy, you can't please this guy.

I'm OK with that. Right. Because when you reach for the moon and all that stuff, you're falling a little bit lower. You're still on top of everybody. Yeah. But you have to push guys like that because he's that talented. He's that blessed. He's that intelligent. He's the right guy for the job to push. He can actually do it.

If you don't, you know how they say God only gives you what you can handle. That type of thing. Yeah. I'm not giving that kid more than you can handle. The people might have told me that when I was younger and I got that one. You think you're pushing them too hard. You know what I mean? No, no. If you hear these kids talk one away in the room by themselves, they're very, very smart. And nine years ago talking about gallon this and that and clothing.

They got it sharp. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, they know things. So you got to push them like man and talk to them and deal with them. Now, that's real. We was worried about it this year, Cause you know what I'm saying? Obviously we went crazy hell of a year. When we started hitting the joker narrative later in the season, it was like his best statistical season ever.

And me and B hand was just like, Hey man, ain't nothing more he can do man. Last year, y'all snubbed me. It came back better this year. Team set the league and wins. What more can he do? So I'm happy he got his just do. I know he's going to keep accomplishing things,

but he definitely deserved an MVP this year for sure. I agree. I agree. And like I said, it's just something that we do consistently. This whole thing is consistency. I think in life, like at your job, whatever you guys do every day, basketball, whatever you do to be good at something, you don't really call yourself good until you can do it consistently.

So if you have a great day is when I say something, but you have a bad day the next day, then you have a good day. So you're not really good, you're inconsistent, my boy. You know what I'm saying? Consistency is what we rate. It could're not really good. You're inconsistent, mother fucker. You know what I'm saying? Consistency is what we rate. It could be the best rapper, Drake from Canada,

hell, shout out Drake, blah, blah. Obviously. Obviously he's the best rapper. Why though? He keeps putting them out, bro. You guys can debate that, but who does it as often? Who does it so consistently? So consistency is a serious fucking thing, bro.

Once that goes back to Shay, okay, getting snubbed this year. If they snub Shay this year, what would that mean in our life? It'd be disappointing. That means we're not gonna do 33 or 92. We're gonna do something very similar next year because we just as what we do. You get what I'm saying?

Like who's not picking Shay, not because he's my son, but if Shay wasn't my son, I'd say, yes, kids probably gonna average 31.5 next year, six assists, seven cores, three steals. It's what he does by this point, at this point. You know what I'm saying? You almost look at it like, okay, one of these years I'm gonna get an MVP.

You know what I mean? But they won't give it to you every year. So you can stop it this year, give it to you next year. What does it fucking matter? I just gotta keep doing what I do and control what I can control. I was just gonna be shitty this year though, I ain't gonna lie.

But he was going crazy bro. He was talking like, man, he just get 30 every night. But he like, be in Joker, damn right. Had a triple double. I'm like, fuck. And it was really on the brinks bro. It was a dangerous battle because what Joker was doing, I tell you, what's crazy.

What he was doing was crazy. Remember I was downplaying what Joker was doing. We're not going to see that again. Never. But watch this one now guys, watch this one. When do we get to take the criteria? When have we ever gotten to take the criteria of wins out of the MVP award?

Never done that. We've never done that. I'm a baller guys, you guys can't do that to me. We've never took the criteria of wins. And you cannot be 19 or 20 fucking wins behind the fucking Shay. Behind the MVP, 20 wins? No wins?

He had a great year? Shea had a great year. Watch this now, you wanna say his year's a little bit greater than Shea because all these crazy things, but Shea's year's still great. Now you gotta go to wins. Now you gotta go to wins, man. That's what you gotta give it to him.

That's my argument. You say a lot of other stuff too, there's other other things, but wins is too much of a big criteria. And they've never given it out without saying fucking wins. You know what I mean? And wins has never been, wins is a major factor. So if you take that out now,

yeah, you might say, okay, here are 50, 50. No, your ad wins is like 75, 25, just like what it was. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I don't think it's that close. No, obviously we know you probably look biased. Can't be fucking 70, 80, is it, are we trying to win? Talk that shit, huh? These niggas ain't trying Can't be fucking 70, 80. Are we trying to win? Talk that shit, Pops. These niggas ain't trying to win.

Fuckin' shit, man. I don't know if the object of this game is to win, that's all I can know. Okay, well I don't want you on my team with no MVP if we can't win. I wanna win. What the fuck is we winning for, Pops? All right, we're gonna win tonight, bro.

We're gonna win tonight. Three and one going back to L.K.C. Yeah, three and one going back to L.K.C. God damn! We know those guys, we haven't even played shit! I'm trying to secure my converse back, but come on, man! You're good, you're good. Don't watch nothing, you're good. He said we three of us going back already. We ain't played games. We done lost another game!

Mike, clip it up the right way! You the one, you the one's crazy, Phil. Oh man, obviously, you know what I'm saying, Toronto bias, what was the energy like, you know what I'm saying, you know what I'm saying, the Kendrick situation, man, I was in Philly, you know what I'm saying, being a ground zero with that. Yeah, we ain't even worried about that.

We all bone, man, we up and all bone, man, I ain't even worried about it, man. I like that, it ain't no question. We do our thing, man. Yeah. We're not worried about nothing. Yeah, for sure. ain't no question. We do our thing, man. Yeah. We're not worried about nothing. Yeah, for sure. That's hilarious, man.

Before we get out of here, man, please tell the people about the No Flux organization, man. Oh, for sure, for sure. No Flux is a movement. No Flux means never opting for less, unified knowledge, equal success. That's a foundation I have back in Toronto where we help at-risk youths

get in what they need to survive in life, basketball skills, opportunities. We have a league that we take after hours ball, we call it now, where we take kids from the hood at eight o'clock at night, bring them back at one o'clock at night, they play basketball in a league. The league's almost like how you do have a men's league.

So we keep score like the NBA, we can score, lead and assist, this, that, that. At the end of every week, we get them prizes, whatever a competition they make, and we check our retention rate to see who's getting better, who's getting worse. And it's just a fun little safe place, called like a safe place for these kids at nighttime.

But that's just one thing we do. We had an event coming up July 26, 27, called Shoot Your Shot 2. So last year we were Shoot Your Shot 1. So last year we'll shoot your shot one. We did a three point competition with 10 to 18 year olds. The winner of those competition got to go against NBA players and we gave them jewelry and no flukes, pendants and all that stuff for the winners. We're running it back bigger this year on July 20th, 27.

That's dope. That's what we're into. We're just trying to change lives every day, one day at a time and make these kids know that anybody can be like Shane and and the Killer, Tommasi. That's my son, that's my son, that's my younger son. He's a fashion designer. Yes, sir. And he's gonna be doing this thing too. You're gonna hear about him.

He's gonna change the world in his own little way. His highlights been on the timeline recently too. You know what I'm saying, Pops? You know what I'm saying? The lid out tap there, for sure, for sure. Okay, good, good. I had to bring him up too, because you know he comes from my seas, you know?

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We're gonna get my boy on it. Yeah, yeah. I'll be on there, man. Basketball dads. Yeah, I'm gonna be on there talking my shit, DC. You try. I see what he's doing. I see what he's doing.

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