Club Shay Shay - Club 520 - Vernon Maxwell on CRAZY battle with Michael Jordan, fight in the stands + Drazen Petrovic

Episode Date: August 15, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 91 of Club 520 where the squad interviews NBA legend Vernon Maxwell to talk about all things basketball. Mad Max tells incredible stories of his battles with Michael Jordan and Drazen Petrovic. Plus, Maxwell gives his perspective on what happened when he fought a fan in the stands during a game. Vernon also gives his perspective on the big money in the NBA today with the new TV deals, and what that means for the future of the game. And don't miss why Maxwell has a love, hate relationship with Utah! #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. The Volume. All right, we back. Live from Jalisco Resorts World Vegas, Baby Club 520 live on location. Special, special guest to my left We're going to introduce my man's last

To my far left we got my dog Bishop B. Henn Out the prayer leads how you doing Nasty? Cool Nasty let's get to it Out the gate how you feeling man? You know what I'm saying Vegas took a toll on us But we've been trapping out here This our fifth day Vegas has been good to us You know it's time to slide though

For sure We were talking to OG before the show You in Vegas longer than 48 hours. You living real wicked. Yeah. To my right, my dog, young Nacho, young T. How you doing, man? Man, I'm chilling, bro.

We got an OG in the building. I'm hype, bro. We trying to get him on the show for a minute, so it should be a good one. Man, we've been geeked about this. Shout out to Kim for helping making this happen. Shout out to the team. Hey, look, the Bada Doe series is for real, for real Bada Doe. We all been Bada Doe the last couple of days. For sure Bada Doe. is for real, for real Bada Doe. We all been Bada Doe in the last

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Hey, man, but to my left, we got an NBA legend. We got my man, a pioneer ahead of his game, but how he played in the NBA, the Max Out Podcast.

We got the OG, Vernon Maxwell. Big Dog, appreciate you sliding on us, man. Man, appreciate y'all having me, man. I can't wait to do this shit. I've been wondering why you niggas took so long to Vernon Maxwell Big Dog Appreciate you sliding on this man Man appreciate y'all Having me man I can't wait to do this shit

I've been wondering Why you niggas Took so long To get me on this motherfucker Man I don't know What the fuck y'all been doing What's been the hold up though I don't know you niggas

This is our fault Well you hear it now man Y'all motherfuckers Y'all goddamn Y'all done did Damn 100 shows. I'm 100 and motherfucking one. I'm supposed to have been in the top five.

What the fuck are we doing? You kicking off the new season, man. Oh, okay. Whatever. I'm number one. My God. For sure, man. No doubt.

And listen, man, we try to get you in Indiana, but you be treating Indiana like Utah, man. Well, you know, them motherfuckers, a lot of motherfuckers, they ain't got a lot of internet, you know, so you got to leave, you know, them motherfuckers, a lot of motherfuckers, they ain't got a lot of internet, you know, so you got to leave that Utah shit. Them motherfuckers, we're going to, that's a whole nother

motherfucking subject with them motherfuckers, whack ass motherfuckers out there. You know, we ain't, I mean, but if you want me

to elaborate about them motherfuckers, but like I was talking to these guys today, I did a podcast earlier today with some guys, they from Utah.

And they was like, ask me, Max, man, why you so on Utah? Man, you motherfuckers, y'all so weird out there. You motherfuckers got four, five wives and shit. You Mormon ass motherfuckers. Who do that? I wish I could. I'm a single motherfucker. I wish I had motherfucking four single motherfucker I wish I could have Motherfucking four women

You can In one house At one time And bitch Bitch your day is Monday And bitch your day is Tuesday And bitch your day is Wednesday And bitch your day is Thursday

So I want to do that Nah you don't want that man You don't want that That's a headache Oh yes I do That's a headache man You don't want that You a. You don't want that. That's a hat. Oh, yes, I do. That's a hat, man. You don't want that. I want to answer you a damn lot. I got that.

Boy, I ain't got nobody. Don't nobody want my ass. So, because I ain't worth to be wanted. I want to be out there. That's why I want to live. I'm getting ready to move out there. Respect. You know this shit.

Hey, man. You ain't going to have a wife out there. Boy, you know, I keep telling you, motherfucker, it's different out there. You know, the mountains. Jeff know. You ain't going to have Wi-Fi, though. Boy, you know, I keep telling you, motherfucker, it's different out there. You know, the mountains, Jeff know, you fly in the goddamn Utah, you fly into a little hole.

There's a little hole in that motherfucker. That's where Carl Malone should ride that motherfucker 18-wheeler in the games and shit. I said, damn, what this nigga

pulling up an 18-wheeler at a fucking basketball game? Well, it makes sense now. Huh? Carl got a weird case. Why is he around? Oh, yes. Well, Carl makes sense now. Huh? Carl got a weird case. Why is he around? Oh, just... Well, Carl,

I love you, boy. I love you, Carl. I ain't got nothing to do with that shit that boy just said. We had the same major. I fuck with you. Remember,

Max didn't say that shit. Hey, but no, Carl, you pulled up in there with that big-ass 18-wheeler one time. I was like,

damn, this nigga drove the cab. He had the back of the fucking truck and the cab on the front. He pulled a whole 18 wheeler in the goddamn down there where the bus was. I was like, man, who fucking got an 18 wheeler? They said the motherfucker, when I got off the bus, the motherfucker said, that's Carl Malone's goddamn. I said, this nigga's loading cows and what the fuck? Man, I don't know that.

It's just weird. That's my mind. That's why I say all the time. All my boys, they know. Cam, Junior, all my peoples know. I ain't got nobody. Don't want nobody. I just want to hang something in somebody.

Man. OG, crazy. Man, but we got to talk about it, man. Obviously, we know how polarized you are off the court. But you were a pioneer in your game back in the day. Now you see everybody coming in and don't nobody shoot nothing but threes. But like that was how you hung your hat early on outside of your defense. How is it now to see the game transition to where everybody got to shoot that?

And you was a special of that because I know a couple years in a row, you was like you led the league and made threes. Oh, boy, that's a great question. Oh, man. Yeah, man. Now, shit, I'll be a $300 million motherfucker like these young boys out here. You was like You led the league And made threes Oh boy That's a great question Oh man Yeah man Now shit I'll be a 300 million dollar Motherfucker like these

Young boys out here Tatum and And Brown I'll be one of them Motherfuckers Shit Yeah Cause that's all

That's what the games Went to now They want motherfuckers To shoot They want a lot of scoring And make it exciting And They got the big guys

Out there In the way of the goddamn guards shooting threes and shit and all this bullshit but it's cool though i mean i don't really like the game the way the game's being played right now but i respect the game and i respect what these young boys are doing and i was i really love the money they fucking getting god damn why i couldn't get none of that this shit is fucked up this is some fucked up shit you need reparations max what yeah reparations yes yes i i mean for real man for real though i mean god damn man you can have as fucking 14 points and you got them You goddamn get 80 million? Yeah. Man, goddamn, man. Goddamn, nigga.

I was 18 a night. Goddamn. Goddamn. I can't. Oh, my goodness, man. Shit. That's just mind-blown. Just fucking me up.

But ain't it amazing how the game grown, though? Even from when I played, to see the money going up even more. We had a moment the other day. I was talking about Max Christie getting 8 million. And at a time when I got paid to see the money Going up even more Like we had a moment The other day I was talking about Max Christie getting 8 million And at a time When I got paid like that It was like damn

8 million was good But now like 8 million Is like The bottom Yeah That's like The bottom of the total But to see it grow like that

Ain't a baby Yeah yeah But you know These TV deals You know That's where the money come at Now they got to pay These motherfuckers For them TV deals So I mean the money Come at now They got to pay These motherfuckers

For them TV deals So I mean And they getting A bigger deal Getting ready to come now So This shit finna get absurd

So I mean I mean the TV deals Is crazy man So that's where They getting These guys These young guys Getting this money

But I ain't mad at them Because Dr. J Came in before me And And I'm sure Dr. J was like damn how Maxwell made more motherfucking money than I made you know what I mean because Dr. J I wasn't a Michael Jordan you know guy you know I love Michael Jordan and but you know what he'd done and and competitive and

we competed against each other but Dr. J was my guy and I'm i'm like saying damn dr j was probably saying the same damn thing i'm saying right now about these young guys damn these young guys i'll bust these motherfuckers you know i mean and but it's the tv deals and i get i get it and i understand where it's coming from so and i'm i'm happy for it so shit i got a son i got two sons coming up shit i hope one of them motherfuckers gets some of this motherfucking bag or what they call it, a bag of bread, whatever the fuck they call it.

The above. Chicken. Like chicken. And it's crazy, like you were talking about how you was playing, how the game has evolved now. What's interesting, you talk about TV deals and I hope it doesn't come to an end, but it's kind of what it's looking like.

Your old teammate, Kenny Smith, for what they did, I think that more people need to pay attention, but it's kind of what it's looking like. Your old teammate, Kenny Smith, for what they did, I think that more people need to pay attention to how inside the NBA helped perpetuate that. I know that's not the only thing about that, but the way that they covered the game, especially in today's modern era with social media, they helped project a lot of people to have their own brands,

their own rebuttals to do stuff like this. How was that to see him go from your teammates to see what he's doing now? Well, I always told that motherfucker, you know, Kenny, my nigga, you know, I love you, boy. I told him, I said, that's what he's doing now well i always told that motherfucker you know kenny my nigga you know i love you boy i told him i said that's what he was gonna be a commentator because you know kenny speaks so fluid and so well yeah you know he's so educated and shit you know i mean but i told him nigga you was a decent i'm sorry kenny was a great ball player i had to take that to this motherfucker. Because I know he's going to see this shit. But yeah, but Kenny was a great ball player.

But you know what I mean? But I always said to Kenny, I knew he was going to be an announcer or some form of fashion doing that shit. What he's doing with TNT. I mean, it's great. I mean, I'd love to see Kenny up there because, you know, he always bring my ass up and a lot of conversations. I wish I was in love.

And I'd be like, God damn Kenny, why you put me in this shit? I'm over here smoking this goddamn blunt. I'm here getting high. You got me in this shit, man. I'm just watching you,

nigga. What are we talking about, Kenny? But I mean, so, but I love what Kenny's doing. That's my guy. You know, Kenny, I love what kenny's doing that's my guy you know kenny i love his family i know his i mean i know it kenny knew my family i knew his family i mean

we live next door to each other we was like next door neighbors man this motherfucker i mean this is weird and i mean so i mean that's my guy. I love him to death and kudos to my nigga. You know, he know I love him so much. So yeah. It's always funny to see Kenny, like, how he like run now with like his knees up. Oh my goodness. He the coldest ever to play knock knee.

Like that. No, man, nah, that shit got worse when he got older. That shit got worse. Cause that nigga wasn't running like that. That nigga. Hold on, he the coldest. That's why we confused us. That nigga, the jet.

Yo, you remember they called that nigga the jet. That's what confused us. That's why we're confused. That nigga, the jet. You remember, they called that nigga the jet. That's what we're confused about. That's why we say he's the coders. That nigga, not that nigga clacking knees and shit. The helicopter. My nigga be running up that motherfucker, and he be making sure, hey, y'all niggas don't get ready to beat me up. Hold on now.

They're going to beat me up to this motherfucker. That motherfucker be ready, because them niggas don't Get ready to beat me up Hold on now They gonna beat me up To this one I'm gonna go up there That boy I'm gonna be ready Cause them niggas Getting ready to hit up Let me stop talking

About my nigga Hey boy Kenny Come on my show Boy I love you boy Come on now Stop this bullshit All right I'm just

Hey boy You know what we do We Hey You know what this is Yeah for sure I love Now listen man I gotta ask you about this We from NAP You know what I'm. Hey, you know what this is. Yeah, for sure. Oh, love.

Now, listen, man. I got to ask you about this. We from NAP, you know what I'm saying? Pioneers and Indiana Pacers. You know what I'm saying? What they did at the Palace. But you was an OG, and now you was one of the first people to get active in the stands. I got to ask you, who was worse, the Portland fans or the Utah fans?

Well, I'm going to put Portland because the motherfucker was talking about my motherfucker's stillborn daughter. Yeah, that's crazy. That was a problem. You know, I mean uh I kept telling them security guard I was like yo I was telling this motherfucker I'm like yo do you hear what this motherfucking white boy is saying about my goddamn peoples and I said and I well true enough I probably shouldn't have brought my ass back that early but I felt like that was my sanctuary where I can go and release and not think about my stillborn daughter and shit like that.

And the white boy in Nike, we all broadcasted, and they put, like, you know, Vernon Maxwell, Amber, they put her name on my shoes and shit. All that bullshit. And the white boy behind me was talking crazy like, fuck that bitch, fuck that whore. And I was like telling the damn security guy to sit behind the bench. I was like, man, you better go straighten this motherfucker up. So security guy tell me, Max, I can't do that man he pays money there's a not

alone as a nigga nigga sitting behind me talking about man i can't do that man he pays he pays money for that ticket i say what i said okay i said man do you hear what this man saying to me so he was like i can't do nothing max so and then kenny was sitting beside me and I think Tim Bro was another guy that, you know, my guy Tim Bro, what's up? Yeah, you shot at it, boy. Shit, shit. But he was sitting beside me

and he was trying to tell me, Mac, come on, man. Chill now. Chill. Don't do it. Don't do it. But I'm telling, man, fuck you, motherfucking white boy. I'm telling him like this. See, I'm telling man fuck you motherfucking white boy I'm telling like this yeah I'm cussing and fussing and shit and then so I got fed up with that I got tired I kept telling this nigga so I got up and when I got up and the niggas like oh he stood up and nigga I was like I mean get your bitch ass out

the way I saw that nigga back over there to the goddamn whiskey bar i slung that motherfucker across the bar i went up there you see y'all y'all seen it yeah i walked like patiently i walked patiently terminator oh lord i just bam bam, and I slapped the shit out of that motherfucker. It wasn't worth it. The money, the money, this motherfucker. I ain't know. Goddamn, I say damn. They told me how much I was making in goddamn 10 days. And they took 500 from old nigga in 10 games.

I was like, goddamn, I ain't doing like that. You should have let him back in the game. God damn, I should have tried to get that bitch out of the game. It was a bad, and then that was fucked up, and then the Rockets fucked over me too, and they brought Clyde in, and they didn't even do my whole suspension, that whole 10 games.

The motherfuckers never did call me. Nobody never called me and checked on me and said, Vern, you working out? You good? Your mental state

is all right, nigga? We know you mental health, nigga. Yeah. You know, you all right. You know, so, but nobody never, none of my teammates nobody

never called me nobody and i was just out on the golf course just hit my golf ball and shit nobody never called me then they brought clive in on me without saying anything to me i thought him bought two championships i mean well one champ the first championship in that motherfucker what they would never won without me because god damn talk about it in game three god damn it when we went out the uh uh phoenix shit we was down oh two shit and god damn if max don't go out there and do what i did i had 30 in the second half god damn will i turned that whole motherfucker serious around for fucking h town yeah you know i mean and we won that goddamn i told dream come on baby boy it's my night tonight come on now you the guy yeah you the guy but it's

max night tonight god damn jeff you know what it's like when you get the cooking yeah for sure i got the cooking and 30 in the second half i had two at the half i was on some drunk shit because i was i was I was in the club with them white bitches out there in Phoenix. You know how it is, Jeff.

You know how it is, Jeff. The white bitches in Phoenix. Hey, dude. Stop out here. I can't hold you. Stop out here.

You out there partying with them white bitches tonight for the game? I ain't worried about damn Molly.

Fuck damn Molly. I'm ready to bust damn Molly ass. I got a white boy on me. Ain't no white

boy never got me. So I'm getting ready. Like, ain't no white boy on me. And the white boy never guard me. So I'm getting ready to be like, yeah, ain't no white boy guarding me. Fuck that shit. So I went, I turned the fucking serious. And then shit, we won the fucking first championship ever in Houston history.

No baseball, football, or nothing. That was the first championship. And I think I was a big... I did that shit. I did that shit. I did that shit. It wouldn't have happened without game three. We couldn't have went down 0-3

to the motherfuckers. Charles Barkley and the motherfuckers. KJ and the motherfuckers. That was nice. Yeah, man. So fuck that. So yeah. It's Mad mad max how you get the name mad max oh shit them white folks you know how they do they change your name you know like slaves and shit like you know how the white folk do you know like the kuta kente that motherfucking name wasn't kuta kente what was it his name was uh car was Carl Like Vernon They changed that

Motherfucking name To Kuta See what I mean Cause he kept running You know what I mean So But that's what they did To me though

The bulk of the story Is that The white folks You know I was out there I was wild You was wild I was wild Like a motherfucker So I'm wild Like like a motherfucker. So I'm wilding like a motherfucker out there.

So the white folks changed my name. My mama called me. She said, damn, Vern. She said, baby. My mom called me and said, baby, I don't know who the fuck you is right now. And I was like, mom, what are you talking about? She said, why they calling you Mad Max? I said, damn.

I said, mom, it's probably the shit I be doing. And she was like, baby, you need to chill, baby. I don't know you like this. What's going on? So the white folks changed my name from Vernon. Then they started calling me Mad Max. And so I told my mom, I said, said shit That's the reason why The motherfuckers

Changed my name Nobody don't call me Nobody never That's a weird ass name really Yeah Vernon Who fucking named Vernon? Who fucking named Vernon?

Shout out to my dog Vernon Macklin There's a lot of goddamn cams There's a lot of motherfucking juniors Who fucking named Vernon? You know, no fucking idea. I was like, man, what the fuck? Ain't too many cool V names.

But you made a statement for it. So the motherfuckers changed my name from Vernon to Mad Max because all the antics and shit. But Mad Max is a dope name, though. That nickname is dope, though. Yeah, I thought you got that in the neighborhood or at Rucker or somewhere, wherever you play. I wish I could have got paid for that shit, though. That's a dope name. Yeah. I thought you got that in the neighborhood or a rucker or somewhere

or wherever you played on the streets. I wish I could've got paid for that shit though. Yeah. I lost a lot of money with that motherfucking name. He said,

I ain't make from it. Shit, nigga, that shit went backwards. That shit was swimming up the screen backwards like a salmon, nigga.

Goddamn, I was fucking up, nigga. I dig that shit. Fuck that. I was fucking up. Nigga. Shit. Fuck that. I bought it in that bullshit. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast NFL daily with Greg Rosenthal five days a week.

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I felt like I was living in North Korea, but worse, if that's possible. Listen to Spiraled on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's go back to the hoop shit, though, man. How did you end up at Florida? Ah, man, yeah. Well, I was going to go to... North Carolina State had just won the national man, yeah. Well, I was going to go to North Carolina State had just won the national championship in 83. Yep, my guys,

Lorenzo Charles and all them guys, Thurl Bailey, all those guys. I went up to visit them and shit, man, they flew their plane down to Gainesville. I'm from Gainesville, Florida. I'm a country boy. Like I said, I'm a country ass, bunking ass nigga. I had never, ever been nowhere.

Yeah. And them motherfuckers flew their plane down there to get me from Gainesville. My mom told me before I went up to say, nigga, my mom used to talk to me like she was like my daddy. She was, I really don't know my dad, so I don't have a dad. So she was like my dad. Yeah. So she was like, hey, nigga, let me tell you something.

You better not sign a motherfucking piece of paper. I said, man, I ain't going to do this because, you know, we have Florida. Yeah. University of Florida. I'm in the backyard of the University of Florida. I live a mile away from the University of Florida. Yeah. So she know them white folks already told us, nigga, we've been ready to pay you.

Yeah. So, nigga, don't you fuck my money up. That's what my to pay you. So nigga, don't you fuck my money up. That's what my mama really said. Nigga, don't go fuck my money up. Nigga, so. NIL. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Before the NIL.

Yeah, I had NIL before NIL. Shit. NIL big. God, shit. Well, these boys getting paid good money now. But my NIL, my shit was like 200. And that was back in the early 80s. You know what I mean?

So that was big money. That's good money, for sure. I moved my mom out the fucking hood to a little mid-level ass fucking place. You know, she wasn't in the projects. She had a house. You know what I mean? So I was able to do that shit. But the University of Florida was a blessing for me, man,

because I knew all the dope spots was and shit. I knew all the dope spots was. I mean, I'm a real ass nigga, man. I'm going to tell you. Y'all got me on this motherfucker. I'm going to tell y'all the real, man. For sure. I was on cocaine in college and shit.

And I was on marijuana. I smoke marijuana still today. And I was an cocaine in college and shit. And I was on marijuana. I smoke marijuana still today. But and I was an alcoholic, too. So in college, I did all three of those fucking those drugs to me. Yeah. So I did all three of those. And for me to make it coming out of there, I mean, it was dangerous for me to stay in Gainesville. But I knew I couldn't leave gainesville it was a it was like a double-edged sword like i couldn't leave and i needed to leave you know i

needed to leave to get away from that you know i mean but i decided to stay in that shit and that infested ass pond like I keep saying. Yeah. Gainesville, Florida. And I got caught up and I went to Florida. I'm all time leading score at the University of Florida still today. Motherfuckers don't stay

in school long enough to do what I did. First tournament appearance? Yes. First tournament appearance. Back in the day when I came out, you know,

your ass do four years. Yeah. You know, that shit wasn't heard of one and done. That shit, it was like two motherfuckers I saw. I mean, like Daryl Dawkins and these other motherfuckers had done that. I mean, so we never really heard about one and done. Yeah. Like going to college for one year and then, I mean, get a bag.

So I did four years that's how i became the all-time leading scorer at the university of florida you know i mean i got 28 60 you know and second time all-time leading scorer in the sec history behind pistol p yeah still today so but yeah well it was i mean i had to i had to stay there because i had never been nowhere i went they flew me. They brought that goddamn plane down to goddamn Gainesville. And they flew me over to Raleigh, North Carolina. Man, that's the longest fucking flight I ever flew.

That shit wasn't done in about an hour. And my ass had never been on a plane or nothing. That shit was the longest fucking flight. I was like, oh, shit. These white folks there. I ain't never been this far away from my house. Nah, I was nervous. And then I got off the plane. They showed me Val Vanna.

God bless you, Jimmy. Jimmy Val Vanna. He showed me a great time. And that's probably where I should have went to. But I mean, I still did good with where I went to. But I'm just saying. But Val Vanna was a great visit, and I mean, man, it was just, it was a blessing, man, I mean, just just staying in Florida, man, I had to stay there, man, because, I mean, shit, my mom wasn't gonna let me leave, because I was a mama's boy. Yeah, okay. And that's interesting you say that, like you said, like

double-edged sword situation, like me staying changes a lot for your family instantly, no matter what happened the rest of the year. I know my family good if I make this move, but also you probably need a little bit of space to kind of develop on your own to get away from some people. You kind of talked about that.

You know, your college decision, you wanted to kind of stay home, but you was like, that could have been detrimental to being home, too close to home. Yeah,

if I was too close to home, I would have just been with the guys. You know what I mean? So I don't know if I would have made it to the NBA. Right.

Because my focus might not have been the same, but getting away from home and going to Wake Forest being eight hours away I had no choice but to like lock in and focus for sure that's right yeah that's what now's my thing see I thought I could I knew I could have been a better college player if I'd have just called like i said man i was on cocaine and marijuana and i was an alcoholic man and so and i'm still scored 28 60 you know what i mean and so i don't even know half of the days and shit i don't remember half the day you said that in college you know i mean because i was so fucked up you know i mean a lot of times I go to practice and shit,

I just sit there in college and shit. I be like, shit, fuck that, I ain't practicing today. Shit, you want me today? Or you can get me in game day, tomorrow. Shit, he say, I'll get you tomorrow, just sit there. Sit there, just sit there. So that's what I used to do. So I mean, I used to be hung over with that cocaine

because cocaine make you stay up all night, man. And you got them cocaine boogers and shit. You be digging all day. And, I mean, it's a lot of shit you deal with, man. But, I mean, unfortunately, I really don't know how I made it because two weeks before the draft, we was out in the combine in Orlando working out. And shit, you know, we have it wasn't cell phones back then. Yeah, it was like newspaper. You get up in the morning and you go out to at the combine where we was at.

We open the door. We get to USA Today. See, we used to read USA Today. Yeah. We read to USA Today. And then I went to get to USA Today. It was like 10 days before the draft. And I get to USA Today. I pick up the goddamn paper.

I don't fuck all that damn political shit. I go straight to the sports and i flip to the sports i'm looking at my goddamn face on the fucking on the fucking you and on on the front of the force on the sports page i'm like what the fuck is happening what i do so unfortunately god bless him my my college coach then leaked out that I was supposed to be top 10. I was supposed to be top 10 lottery pick. Yeah. Yeah.

But my college coach, he leaked out that, you know, and he said to me and he told it to my mom that if it's up to him, I wasn't going to make it. Yeah, that's what he told me when I was a senior. After I told this motherfuckers, I should have left my junior year, but I stayed because my mom's like, get your degree, nigga. And you know where you can have something to fall back on in case this shit don't work out for you, nigga. And so I was like, all right, ma, I don't really want to do this shit. I don't really want to fuck with this boy case this shit don't work out for you yeah nigga and so i was like all right ma i don't really want to do this shit i don't really want to fuck with this boy this white boy this coach you know because we we didn't get along i mean but he couldn't stop me from being on the

floor because i'm from gainesville florida all alumni you know i mean they got my back they're gonna get rid of that coach before they get rid of me you know because i you know I mean they got my back they're gonna get rid of that coach before they get rid of me you know because I you know you flunked three drug tests at the University of Florida when I was there and you kicked out the school shit I flunked a fucking hundred of them my freshman year damn you know what I mean so that's how they put a bandage on this shit for me. You know what I mean? So, but I'm just saying, man, I mean, it's just. So he booted you into the second round. He the reason why you got booted into the second round. I went from top 10 to 48th pick.

And I had to make a fucking team. I got drafted by Denver, 48th. Yeah. Supposed to have been, shit, top 10. And they traded me the night, the same night when I got drafted to San Antonio Spurs. And, yeah, so, and I went there, and I went there, shit, and I went there, I had a nigga way, way crazier than me. You know, Alvin Robinson, a quadruple-double nigga.

You know, 10 rebounds, 10 assists, 10 steals, You know, Alvin Robinson, a quadruple double nigga. You know, 10 rebounds, 10 assists, 10 steals, you know, 10 points. You know, this nigga was crazy.

He's, I mean, he was an all-star guy. So, I mean, and this dude was physical as fuck. I knew I had to get my,

I had to get myself, you know, build my body up because I was, you know, look at me. Shit, I don't weigh nothing but 182 pounds right now. Shit. myself, you know, build my body up because I was, you know, look at me. Shit, I don't weigh nothing but 182 pounds right now. Shit.

So, I mean, but shit, back then, my heaviest weight I ever wore my whole life was 195 pounds when I played in the NBA. That's the heaviest I've ever been. Everybody I played against was 6'6", 6'7". I mean, 218, 205. I'm 190 fucking, you know what I mean? I'm a little ass guy, man. But my heart took me over through all that shit, man. I mean, I play with heart and, you know, Jeff, and passion.

And I don't give a fuck about a nigga in another color jersey. You know, it's cutthroat, nigga. Yeah. And I got to ask, man, you talked about this recently, but I just love the conversation. He was like, you know, MJ was guarding with Harden, excuse me, guarding MJ was pretty hard, but that man up there, you know what I'm saying, with the nets,

he was their hardest assignment you had to deal with. God bless him. You're talking about boy, who, boy? Petro. Oh, Petro bitch, boy. God, I'd rather guard a motherfucker than Michael, then guard a Petro bitch. That motherfucker was something else, boy. Who, boy? Petro. Oh, Petrovich. Boy, God. I'd rather die a motherfucker than Michael, than God, than Petrovich. That motherfucker was something else, man. Dr. Petrovich, man.

God bless you, guy. Man, that man. I used to tell Rudy T, treat this motherfucker like you treat Mike. You know? Yeah, treat him. I used to tell him, man, don't let motherfucker,

when he come out the game, bring my ass out the game. When he come to the goddamn table, let me meet him at the table. I don't want nobody guarding this motherfucker because this bitch can get going real quick, and it's going to be hard to cut this motherfucker's ward off. I mean, I used to be like, man, fuck that, man. Hey, man, Rudy, treat this motherfucker.

And then one night he didn't do that. Man, I was like, oh, my goodness. This motherfucker was in Houston. This motherfucker and this motherfucker. He don't. He talk. He talk. That bitch talk with his head.

I was like, fuck. He don't say shit to you. He do this. He don't do that. I said, oh, this bitch done got five. Put the motherfucker in the gang. That motherfucker lit one of them niggas up i forget who it was i ain't gonna say nobody's name because i love all my teammates you got the motherfucker going though whoever he was he got the motherfucker going and they put me back in that motherfucker try to cut off the water boy i couldn't do it i what that's the

that's the worst cover in the world, Drazen Petrovich, man. I'm trying to tell y'all, man. Y'all just pay homage to this motherfucker, man. This motherfucker was a killer, man. And you know what's funny?

They, I mean, maybe not on the same level, but they kind of compare him with the same way of going crazy like Luka. They was like, Luka like that one now that you want to deal with.

I agree. I fucking agree. Luka's a fucking killer too. Yeah, he a killer. too yeah he's a killer yeah i agree yes yes that yeah but shit jarzin he he he's they used to run that motherfucker off three four screens nigga you have to chase this motherfucker yeah and then when he get that motherfucker he catch that bitch this way and he'll scrub this bitch motherfucker square up this way in the air and just bang, bang. I mean, threes. This motherfucker was unbelievable, man.

I'm telling you, man, if this guy wouldn't have, if he wouldn't have killed himself on the Autobahn, man, this guy would have been so special, man. This guy was a special guy, man. Oh, man. He was all my good. I really don't like to give that motherfucker a lot of props but that motherfucker used to fuck me up more than mike and i tell everybody that's where you got it from i know you got that shit from he's a fuck me up i hate guarding that motherfucker you said it but before we got really how was it going because i mean every time we hear about it it was just like mike was just demoralized and killed me i know the competitor in you you

still went at it but how was it dealing with the goatized and killed me. I know the competitor in you, you still went at it, but how was it dealing with the GOAT? Well, your ass better get some sleep the night before. I'm gonna tell you now, that's one motherfucker right there. Now I used to go lay down and put my, elevate my motherfucking feets above my heart. Like my mom used to say,

put your feet above your heart, baby, before you play him. It gonna bring some energy back to you. feet above your heart baby before you play him it gonna bring some energy comfortable sighs and lift my eyes do damn what my mom is just saying that's the only motherfucker I stay home my wife should be glad for that when Mike coming town cuz I really never you stay stay home. My wife used to be glad when Mike come down she said oh this nigga look at his ass now because Mike in here.

Look at this nigga now he going to lay his ass down now. Yeah because this motherfucker black Jesus man. That's why I call him the best player I ever played against man. I mean

I mean it's no comparison to I mean I mean I mean LeB mean, I mean, LeBron, kudos,

man, you, hell of a nigga, man, you got your son damn drafted. That shit's weird. I mean,

but I, hey man, if I could do that shit, LeBron, nigga, I would do it too. Fuck that shit, nigga,

I ain't mad at you though. Keep that shit going, boy, what you doing? You running the damn league. What I'm just saying, what we just talking about, I'm'm sorry you talking about Michael Jordan okay Mike yeah I got you okay thank you thank you I got you bro I had to throw that shit in there cause shit I got a son coming next year yeah and the car I'm gonna put him in the goddamn combine yeah it was more than four points and And goddamn it, I won't goddamn

necessarily give him a shot at this shit because shit, and that's it. We can get drafted number 55. Oh, shit. One of them

motherfucking picks in the second round. Fuck this shit. I'm just saying, man. I just want that. I mean, but back to Mike. Yeah, man.

Back to Mike. Mike was the best player Yeah, man. Back to Mike. Mike was the best player ever, man. That motherfucker spun to me one day when we was in Houston. He spun to me. I was like, oh, Lord, that bitch. That bitch, like, he just, like, disappeared and shit. That bitch, like, just like, boof. This bitch just disappeared.

This bitch spun to me. So, this bitch is so gifted, man. I've never seen her. I mean, she's so strong, fast, and, I mean, can handle. I don't think his handle was that good. I think his hand was so big that he used to lose that shit, and he'll grab that bitch with his hand. He got big hands, all of us.

Yeah, he'll grab that motherfucker. But, man, that man spinned on me, and he took off, and you know that damn jump man on the bottom of that damn stick I was that motherfucker was riding my and then

I was like I laughed at it I laughed cause I took off and ran down the court cause I knew the nigga had done

I knew it in there I knew everybody in Houston was like oh shit they should come see the dunk show before the games and I knew so I knew I knew everybody In Houston was like Oh shit They used to come see The dunk show Before the games And I knew

So I knew I just took off running And he And he came back He came up behind me And the nigga Hit me on my ass I said

Oh no Bitch ass nigga Don't put your God damn hands on me Nigga After that Bullshit Don't put your

Motherfucking hands On me Mike Nigga I'll beat your Motherucking ass, nigga. Now, I love your game, bitch ass nigga. Don't put your goddamn hands on me, nigga. So, I'm just saying. Bird!

I was just saying. Bird. Oh, man. And then that's when y'all see this. It everybody see this part we're like face to face i was like man but i don't touch me nigga you're the best nigga i ever played against nigga don't put your hands on me though nigga i hate guarding your ass oh yeah man that was that was that was like that was shit man that was another fucking that's some shit right there mike man that That was, that was, that was like, that was shit, man. That was another fucking, that's some shit right there. Mike,

man, that guy was unbelievable, man. To be 1000, man. I mean, I, I,

I, I, I'm just glad I was able to say shit and everybody gave me homage, but shit, they don't give like, motherfucker. I was just following that motherfucker down in the lodge. One lodge.

Oh, I was the best defensive player to fucking league from fucking back in them days for three, four years in a row. Defensive player of the year, blocking everything. You know, he don't give a fuck

if he get dunked on. He don't give a fuck if Mike come in there and dunk on him. Shit, I'll funnel his ass on down there. Go and get that shit

and I'll be out there waiting on the break. Shit, so that's how it is, man. Mike was the best ever, man. Love you boy Man listen This has been great OG we gotta do this again

For sure Tell the people They can find you at man They gotta check out Maxed Out for sure Hey man Come and find old Max On the YouTube

Maxed Out podcast Alright Let's do it Appreciate you Max Love For real Appreciate y'all You know what it is

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