Club Shay Shay - Club 520 - Wesley Matthews on guarding Kobe Bryant, playing with LeBron James, the Big East

Episode Date: January 11, 2024

We’re back with Season 2, Episode 30 of Club 520 where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Wesley Matthews of the Atlanta Hawks to discuss his best stories of playing in the NBA. Wes talks about playing college basketball for Marquette in the Big East, going undrafted, and then starting as a rookie for the Utah Jazz. He then tells stories about guarding Kobe Bryant, playing with LeBron James, and much more. 00:00 - Introduction03:00 - Going to Marquette12:00 - Wes Matthews hardest matchup in NBA13:30 - Going undrafted19:45 - Guarding Carmelo Anthony26:00 - Developing a 3-point shot30:00 - Seeing Luka 33:00 - Best PGs of our era37:00 - Playing for Portland42:00 - Playing with LeBron #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Volume. I can't do it alone. So I'm bringing in all the big guns from NFL media like Colleen Wolf. Subscribe today and you'll immediately be smarter and funnier than your friends. Listen now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we back. Another episode of Club 520 Podcast. I'm the host. My name is DJ Well. Shout out to the volume. Special guest to my left.

We're going to introduce my man's last. But to my far left, we got my dog back on the scully in the shades. He act like he don't work here. I don't know if he might rob us on the way out. My nigga be here out the prelates. How you up, man? Cool and nasty. Let's get to it.

It's safe over here. CB4. CB4. Okay. Head strike two. Let's just party. Keep it moving. Now Wes,

you know what I'm saying? I know you've been in the league around, you know, you've seen some good feats before. Have you ever seen the black forces with the white laces though?

That's a first. That's a first? It's going to be a last. That's a first. It's going to be a last. You see what's good, pass it around. Yo.

Pass it around. That's crazy. The lineage, nah, fuck that. Nah, respect the lineage do not fuck that nah respect the lineage have we seen the black and white forces on Nike

yeah my shit get passed around more than god damn it man what and we're gonna bleep that out I mean

Tiana Trump my bad you can leave that in there yeah we can leave that in there that's T.T. not Tristan Thompson You can leave that in there Yeah we can leave that in there That's TT Not Tristan Thompson Not your auntie

Oh shit That's crazy Man I'm just kidding Yeah that's That's Jeff I'm Jeff I'm with my folks

For y'all guys Day two of the phone For the month See how long we keep this going Please stop tagging us We understand That he didn't have him On that episode because it was recorded last year for sure i appreciate y'all but to my left man we got special guests in the building man

real one my dog west matthews appreciate you pulling up the 520 nasty appreciate y'all having me for sure for sure we always start the episode off with a question we got to guess hey what was the craziest locker room or team you was on? You know what I'm saying? You've been around different places. What was the craziest or like the most tense locker room you had to play in? Most tense locker room? Like because of the team?

Yeah. Or it could have just been lit. It ain't got to be bad. It could have been real good. You know what? The Milwaukee teams. When we was ready to go. When we was that bubble year.

Ah, yeah. Shouts to the bubble. That's when we was doing all that WWE shit bubble year ah yeah shout out to the bubble that's when we was doing all that WWE shit and all that stuff yeah that was we was active that's crazy

Milwaukee was what's up for you? I had a little stint in Milwaukee snuck out of there with a championship yeah you a champ bro I don't know how

I snuck out of there with that one they said you was a local rapper living in the studio. Oh, God, bro. They said nigga Rich ain't supposed to live in the studio. I lived in a studio, man.

I lived in a place just like this. It was just a bed and a... I don't even think I had a refrigerator. I think I did have a mini fridge. Damn. I didn't care. I was thugging. Nah, Milwaukee's a cool... They got some cool guys on their team. They've been around forgin' But uh Nah Milwaukee's a cool

They got some cool guys On their team They been around for a while Y'all is a cool dudes brother They hilarious Um But you got a chance To be with Rolo

Yeah Him and Brooke They They comedians bro Well Brooke is I ain't get a chance To play with Rolo That's crazy

That they both twins And they really that Fucking big And they read comic books And write em Yeah Read books and write them. Yeah. Read them and write them. I said,

this can't be real when I seen Brooke. You are 38 years old, bro. Why are you reading Superman? It's like, what? Nah,

but shut up. Them niggas better be nice to Brooke. That nigga is taller than the motherfucker. That's a big boy. They got switches. Damn. They got switches, bro.

You see, I see Brooke. He going to protect his. That's, you know, I love Brooke and Rollo. Yeah, I've been seeing the past games. Niggas ain't trying. Everybody else been looking. Niggas walking away from Brooke Lopez. Respect.

All right, man, we're going to take it back then, you know what I'm saying? Basketball, you know what I'm saying? Marquette legend. How did you decide to play at Marquette? I know you had a couple different offers, you know what saying man actually that was it was crazy because uh i'm from madison so like all you know is badgers that's it so i'm in the state in the city uh grew up between madison and milwaukee and had no idea marquette was even there damn like damn that's how that's

how badger state it is so we didn't i didn't really start hearing about marquette was even there. Damn. Like, that's how bad your state it is. So we didn't, I didn't really start hearing about Marquette until D-Wade took him to, they went to the Final Four, D-Wade, Travis Diener, Novak,

all those guys. Elite. So that's when Marquette started becoming national. My mom was like, yo, you got to start

paying attention to this. So I started watching them a little bit and then the letters started coming and the recruiters started coming. And honestlyers started coming and honestly It was who I was gonna come in to Marquette with is what got me there, you know

You know Kareem did a great job of recruiting myself Jarrell McNeil out of Chicago and Dominique James who I know y'all know. Yeah, you know, he's uh He like had us all tap in with each other at an early stage of the recruiting process so like I would keep up

with Neek's games and Neek would keep up with Rails games Rails looking at my games and you know Kreen calling and saying hey Dominique just had 41

8 and 7 knowing that I got a game the next night you know what am I gonna do you know that kind of stuff so like

it was that the thought of competition that got me to Marquette. Hey, man, Krent, say what you want. I've always been a hell of a recruiter, though. Because even in them IU days. He had them rolling. Nah, for real, for real. Like, he saw Victor Oedipo over there. Yeah.

And put some squads together at IU. But, man, that's crazy. Dominique, hey, you know what I'm saying? You grew up playing against Dominique in open runs. Yeah, I did. I think he was all Big East when I was in high school. And he came back. No, I was in college.

I was a freshman. After my freshman year in college, he came back to play. And my high school coach was his uncle, cousin, one of them. And he came back to play at my high school. So, you know, everybody's like, y'all going to match up. Yeah, he like, he going to bust your ass. He going to get on your ass today. So I'm coming.

I come a little late. I'm stretching. So I walk on the court. My little brother in eighth grade, my brother Marcus, and he out there frying, cooking Dominique. I ain't going to lie, I love Dominique. His mom good people too. But he was frying him, talking about cooking him.

And I'm like Oh shit Like So he come to me After the game Was like Yo brother ready for the league And I was like That nigga

He's great He looked at me He was like What You don't go to weight I was like No the guy go to weight He was like

Oh damn He thought it was you Oh damn The rest of the time I was like Oh yeah I'm about to cook this thing. He think my brother good?

Oh, just wait. No, but that's my guy, man, he good people. Nah, don't,

he was cold, especially like when he had a pro ass popping in the city to see him back come in. Yeah, he used to give niggas work, man. So athletic.

That was, that was the thing where it's like, that jumped out when I saw him first. You know, he little as shit, you know, but built as shit, you know,

but built this all, this muscle and, but take off. Touch the sky. He made plays. He made, he made some plays.

That a hell of a bad court. That front, that three guard. Something like them. The only people that I ever seen play three guards like that was Villanova

with Alan Ray now. Yeah. So the fact that Kareem, like, how did y'all like, did y'all say, all right, nigga, this is your night, or did y'all just go off the feel of the game? Man, honestly, like, that's funny that you said that because that's, so our freshman year, he took us to the Garden for media day.

We were the only freshmen to do it. So it was me, Real, Neek, and he brought Novak as well. And so we at the media day and Alan Ray, we see Nova. Oh shit. Damn man. Cause you know how all the teams, all the teams,

they there and they send whoever to represent. Yeah. So he intentionally had us go there to see like, cause it was Alan Ray, Randy Foy, Curtis Sumter,

Mike Nardi, and then Lowry. So that's who we wanted us to see. Man, I'll tell you, when we played them, they whooped our ass. We wasn't ready. We tried. Nah, niggas don't know how good Allen Ray was. Bro, that was...

Or Randy Foye. Randy Foye. He was like the player of the year. He was nasty. I think he might have been the Big East player of the year that year. Okay. He was nasty. That was a 5 think he might have been the biggest player of the year that year okay it was nasty man i remember that was my 506 year right yeah that was my match up and that was like you can you know how you can pinpoint like moments in your life your career like okay this is a learnings tool right now like i can either it's sink or swim time now like because

this just put his shoulder in my chest and I couldn't do a damn thing about it. Different. Oh, man. That way it rolled. I ain't gonna lie, bro. I kept that vendetta all through the league. Whenever I saw

Reggie Floyd in the league, too. What? He ain't never know that. Y'all think he's the old grinch that you got to know. Hey, I love Reggie, though. He ain't never know that, but I swear, I'm like,

yo, I don't like the way you did that. You were Reggie Jackson, bro. You were Reggie Jackson. That's how I feel about Reggie Jackson, bro. I don't like the way you did that. You were Reggie Jackson, bro. You were Reggie Jackson. That's how I feel about Reggie Jackson, bro. I don't like that you did that. Hey, man, it wasn't no beast. Your boy Rubio, he peacing it up.

Everybody kept tagging us. I was like, damn, Jeff, get him on a pod. Oh, he retired. Yeah, he stepped down. Shout out to him, man. Good luck to him. Oh, yeah. Shout out to him.

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Me? And Marquette. And Marquette? Outside, I know the Foy experience. Yeah, right. Man, I mean, every night, though. Biggie's was real, dude. That was the real Biggie.

That UConn was Rudy Gay. Oh, shit, you did play Biggie. That was Hilton Armstrong and all them. Big Hilton. Fucking Hilton Armstrong. Cincinnati had Eric Hicks, De Downey James White dude jumping from the free throw line and all that

yeah Knuckles wasn't there yet was he he played against Marcus Williams yeah Knuckles was there Marcus Williams was there

he played Devante who else Deontay Vaughn what the fuck is Deontay Vaughn Deontay Vaughn I'm tripping I'm tripping on

on the big team we already talked about Nova Syracuse had who do you say Devendorf and all them. Paul Harris. Louisville. We saw Taekwondo.

Francisco. Garcia. Shots of the Lopes. Don't say Eggersauce on this podcast. No, I'm fucking with Eggers. Louisville was probably the weakest team. We had Earl Clark. Earl Clark. They had T. Will. Nah, I'm fucking with Edgar. Louisville was probably the weakest team in the Big East back then. We had Earl Clark then.

Earl Clark. They had T. Will. Yeah, that was nice. Free T. Will. Nah, that was hard. I'm hating. I'm hating. Damn, Paul,

if y'all did play... It might have been Georgetown. It might have been Georgetown. Jeff Green. I was going to say Jeff Green. Big East was nasty. Jeff Green, Roy Hibbert. Damn, I forgot

they was there at the same time. Did you have to guard Jeff In that game DeJuan Blair Yeah that's what matters That's Pitt Pitt was nasty No kneecaps

DeJuan That note Sam Young Sam Young Ugly shot Faking to leave But that was He was jumping for it though

Sam Young I do remember him He was a pacer That was a wing Sam Young That was a wing I seen Sam Young In a draft

Shout out to Uncle Jeff Cook Niggas bro I'm talking about We in a draft workout. Shout out to Uncle Jeff. Cook. Niggas, bro. I'm talking about we had a draft workout. It was my first draft workout. They had us work out first and he came the next one.

You know, you just sit there and watch. Yeah. I swear to God, he had to score 17 times first. Sam Young? Yeah, I was like, he was like that, dog.

Man, who is this nigga? I thought that nigga was 35, nigga, when he was in college. He's definitely Morgan Freeman. We had the same age and he could get to it, bro. Nah, for real.

He could get to it. That's a hard question for you to answer, bro. We just listed 30 niggas. That was cold. I forgot you played against that UConn because nigga,

what's my other, AJ Price. AJ Price was there. Adrian, Adrian, Jeff Adrian. Yo, Adrian, Jeff Adrian. Yo, they had a wit.

Was Marcus Williams still there? Yeah. Remember the team, the Johnny Flynn team that played against Louis, or UConn in the guard

for like seven overtime? Damn, what was the light-skinned nigga on that team that played with Johnny Flynn? No, it was Andy Robbins,

my father. Y'all remember Scotty Reynolds? Hell yeah. Bill and I were lessons. Come on, we talking to this already. Yeah. Yeah, no, we know our whole shit Scotty Reynolds? Hell yeah. Bill and I were legends. Come on, man. You talking to this artist?

Yeah. Yeah, no, we know our whole shit, bro. That's it. So I would say Rudy or Jeff. No, that's a tough matchup. Damn, you had a tough matchup. Yeah, we got to piggyback on that. You know what I'm saying?

You've been in the league a long time. What's your hardest league matchup? Who was the person that gave you, like, damn, I got to get ready because shit might get spooky? Man, so R.P., I'm going to say the Mamba. First. Saw him. That shit, I mean, you look back at that shit now and you're like, I really guarded him. You know, I really guarded him.

But then I also, I won nights. You know what I mean? Like, he won nights, but I also won nights, too. Damn. And earned that respect from him. Joe Johnson. Nasty. Joe.

Nasty. ISO Joe. ISO. Shout out. He was too big for you, Paul. Joe Johnson. Joe Johnson. That was crazy.

Yeah, that was crazy. I tried to act like this. That was so hard. You, like like emphasized it. Yeah. Cargo on the nigga 6'8", 245. That nigga damn near built like LeBron, bro.

And then I'm trying to think of a little guard. Damn. You was in the West too. His rookie year. Damn. Shit. He was in the West, too. Well, shit, his rookie year, he was... Monte.

Monte Ellis was next. This is Seppi Bullitt. Quick Monte. Monte going right. All right. He's going right. And you got to cut it off. Flash D-Wade

was tough, too, though. Yeah. When he was Flash. Yeah. But how is that, though? Like, yo, rookie year, you know,

you had an unconventional way into the league. You have a good career, great career at Marquette. You go undrafted. Yeah. What's that process like? You know,

going through the whole draft process. What was that like? I was pissed. Honestly. Like I did like 13, 14 workouts. Okay. And then worked out with,

with Steph. You know, we had the same, remember Jack McClend And then worked out with Steph. You know, we had Samuel. Remember Jack McClendon? Mm-hmm. Shout out to Jack. Jack, Samuel. We all, you know, just competing all the time. And felt great.

Didn't lose a workout. You know, I know a lot of motherfuckers be saying, like, one-on-one, two-on-one. You know how the workouts go. I didn't lose a competition workout. So I'm seeing guys like, you know, and shout out to that great career, Danny Green. You know, remember Jonas Jarebko. Damn.

Sam Young. And again, all these guys that are on, like in that same, DeJuan Summers. Georgetown. Yep. So like, I see them get drafted. And I'm like, damn. I was cooking. You know, I did everything I was supposed to.

I did what I was supposed to do in college. I did what I was supposed to do in these workouts. And I remember my agent brought it to me. He said, we got three options. He said, we got a job offer for you in Turkey for $160,000 I don't remember what the other one was but that was like $140,000

he said or Utah called and they want you to come into their summer league and fight for a spot

so I was like I didn't understand at that time that if you didn't get drafted if you were drafted in the second round you still had to make the team I didn't understand at that time that if you didn't get drafted, if you were drafted in the second round, you still had to make the team. I didn't know that.

So I was like, okay, what do I have to do? He was like, Utah is in a situation where, you know, that was Matt Harper. You know, like he's probably going to retire. You know, they drafted a big Goran Sutan at the time. And they were like, they'd like you though. So you can go in and show that you belong. Like you can go take that spot. So I was like, okay, say less.

So I was in Utah like August. Damn. Early. That's before the league started in October. Yeah. I was in Utah in August. Like as soon as I was done with school, I was out there. I was in hotels, stayed up there.

All I did was went to the gym, came back to the hotel, sat up and laid until it was time to go back over and over and over. It was like a grind off the dribble. Just working, just going, going, going. And then Summer League started. I wanted to already be acclimated to the altitude. Had a Summer League in Orlando. Didn't go that great.

Pressing. You know, want to do all the things that they say you can't do. It's pressing. Then I said, damn, you know what? Fuck it. Damn if you do, damn if you don't be yourself. Have a great game. Roll my ankle. Sacramento called, said they want you in summer league in Vegas. I was like,

shit, that's a blessing. Cool. Go out to summer league with Sacramento. I was like, shit, that's a blessing. Cool. Go out to summer league with Sacramento. I take that same mentality. Like, damn if you do, damn if you don't. Play great. Sacramento. Utah calls again. Says, we want you to come back to training camp.

And I was like, all right. This is the second time they done doubled down. They fucking with me. I got to go get this. Yeah. You know? Like, I got to go get this. So then I'm out there.

I don't remember going home. I don't remember going home. I don't remember sleeping. I don't go get this. Yeah. You know, like, I got to go get this. So then I'm out there. I don't remember going home. I don't remember going home. I don't remember sleeping. I don't remember doing nothing. It was just being. Get it. And that was it. And that's crazy because, like, you think about it now,

even second round picks or even some of them, I'm not trying to forget, they coming in, they got straight to training camp down there. Yeah. You had to fight to get to training camp. Yeah. I had to get to training camp. And then the other crazy thing is,

so when I was on the roster or whatever, like, I had to check out of the hotel every single night we went on the road. Yeah. I had to take my luggage. I only had two suitcases. I had to take it with me. Everything with you.

Take everything with you. Damn. Because up until January 10th, I could have been cut. Yeah. Damn. So I'm checking out every single time. It's like every game every practice

practice is my game facts so how you go from that to starting like bro Jerry Sloan Jerry Sloan

but that's what I love about he give people opportunity yup yeah shout out to Andre Owens yeah like honestly I remember I was in the gym

one time on an off day and Sloan came in and and he had a smile. Like, he just, I don't know if y'all ever liked Sloan, but, like, he like, how you doing, son? I'm like, I'm good, coach. He's like, go home. I'm like, you know, I'm a rookie. I'm like, I ain't going home.

I got to be here. He's like, go home. I was like, okay. Go back to the house and I'm just like, damn. I don't know what to do. You know? And I think he just saw that and then they ended up trading my guy, Ronnie Brewer.

That shit broke my heart when that happened. Traded him and then it was just opportunity. Like, it was just go. And it was just like, that was just the mentality. You just got to keep going. Yeah, and that's something you can speak to, shit. You never know when your moment happened.

But when it happens, shit, all that other shit that happened before, don't matter. You really got to go play. You got to go prove yourself. You really get one opportunity in the league. They're like, everybody get that one moment, and you got to, like, seize that moment. But if you don't, that's when you get lost in the sauce.

Like, I seen a lot of people that go out there, you know, somebody get hurt. Yeah. They going to be out two or three games. And them two or three games could be your moment to show, like, I'm ready. And then you can maybe crack the rotation. Or another team could see it, and that's something they might pick you up in the summer for your agency. And that's kind of what happened to me, really. With Kirk getting hurt in the playoffs. Mm-hmm. Got an opportunity to play. I to me, really. With Kirk getting hurt in the playoffs.

Got an opportunity to play. I remember that. Yeah. Threw your ass in the fire. Fire. But that's you. He started. In the West, though.

He was in the West. Wing in the West. Hey, Mello. Mello. In the playoffs. In the Mello. Come on. Yeah.

That's tough. But that's the thing, though, is like, you like never took you never blamed nobody else yeah you know what I mean it's just like

some it's harder to digest like it is what it is sometimes but I just gotta keep doing my job regardless and be ready cause at some point

82 game season is too long somebody gonna get you know somebody's gonna have an opportunity life too long like something's gonna happen

like it's just if you mentally prepared that I did what I'm supposed to do this day, then I'm ready for whatever happens. That's a fact. That's crazy. That's crazy. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news, previews, recaps,

and analysis delivered straight to your podcast feed by the time you get your coffee. No dumb hot takes here. Just smart hot takes. We'll talk every single game every single week, but I can't do it alone. So I'm bringing in the big guns from NFL media. That's Patrick Claiborne, Steve Weiss, Nick Shook, Jordan Rodrigue from The Athletic, and of course, Colleen Wolfe. This is their window right now. This is their Super Bowl window. Why would they trade him away?

Because he would be a pivotal part of them winning that Super Bowl. I don't know why, Colleen. Catch the podcast, the NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal every day. Subscribe today and you'll immediately be smarter and funnier than your friends. And who doesn't want that? Listen now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And you got the matchup against Melo. We got one of my co-hosts, man. They think Melo is his favorite player.

She's a Jersey somewhere around here Mello talk about it Wes I'm over here chilling I'm loving your stories bro I used to be talking shit but we talking about Mello now

so I gotta relax a little Mello's tough bro Mello is one of the best that's your toughest matchup Wes I can't say that it is I mean

I got I got I got Prime KD I don't give a fuck I, it is. You know, I mean, I got Prine, KD. I don't give a fuck about KD. I had James. James who? James Harden.

Don't do that. Harden. Yeah, I respect him. But Melo, though, like, he's, that's what he do. He score. He got you off the first step, or did he put you in a blender on the block? Hey, me and Melo fought, bro. He might have got the best of me, but I won matchups too.

Me and Mello competed. Me and Mello competed, bro. That's one thing you can say. Your favorite player respects me. Oh, for sure. For sure. I know you had to get

somebody to cook it, though. Oh, for sure. I remember in the garden where he had 50. I was with Portland. Yeah, yeah. He had 50. I don't know. He might have hit He had 50. I don't know.

He might have hit two threes. Damn. You know how when you catch it, he start, he back jab and look down. Yeah, yeah. It's already up. He scored 50 off no threes too before.

Was it? He got another game. Yeah, he do. Yeah. He do. That's like saying, you know what I'm saying now? Like he really be dropping 40 balls

and maybe shoot two threes. Yeah, he different. All right, so before we move on, how many of that 50 was on you i probably had like 17. you're a real bro i probably had like 17 huh hey but i ain't go back i ain't gonna you score you you have to do it again no you keep going like that's how it's gonna be i respected you because you played the and you had a burner too well you got it you're still. I respected you because you played D and you had a fucking burner too. Well, you got a burner. You still in the league, but yeah. You started that shit.

All that arrow shit. Oh, you don't need your credit for that shit. You need your credit. Hey, you need, hey, 2K need to pay you extra. Nah, nigga, we tapped in. I got low-key hot

when I saw 2K. Hey, it was in 2K. I said, damn. You started that shit. Nah. I remember the first time I seen you do it, I said, that shit hard.

I said, it's really in 2K. Yeah, they need that. You need some royalty started that shit Nah I remember the first time I seen you do that I said that shit hard 6 million 2k Yeah You need some royalty That shit Niggas oh But it be like that It's cool It's cool They know

Real ones know That's all That's enough of me Yeah I was like Damn that shit tough You know what's scary We just talking about Mellow

But nowadays When you say mellow You never gotta clarify With the young kids And I don't like it Oh like mellow ball Yeah Depending on the age though Nah it's you say mellow you never gotta clarify with the young kids and I don't like it oh like mellow ball yeah depending on the age though

nah it's only one mellow it's mellow mellow but he love mellow yeah yeah he love mellow he love mellow

they ain't mellow next time you in the factory when you say mellow they gonna be like the light skin killer they ain't talking about the real one that's crazy

your kids on your team fuck around say mellow better than Carmelo. They might say some stupid shit. They might. That's the problem. That's why we ain't win a goddamn game. What you do when they say something like that?

Probably start benching these. You got the chance to play with D. Will. I mean, a lot of people of people understand how cold he was like you know younger guys they don't understand bro he was different it was D. Will

or CP3 that was an argument for a long time here bro he got to play with D. Will that is yeah prom

he can control the game that was one thing like he really understood like I'm gonna go get this bucket or I see where the I see what the defense is doing, and I'm going to get us a bucket. That's a fact. Like, he had that.

And then he had the matchups that he took personal. That's when it was fun. He used to cook. He took that personal. He used to cook. Nash took that personal. J. Kidd took that personal. If anybody, them top five PGs, like, I know he going to show up tonight.

He used to cook. That right to left, back to the left to right. Let's just shoot the ball. I ain't going to lie, though. I love D. Will. D. Will my guy. If you ever see it, you can text me about it. That's cool.

He ain't going to see Johnny Flynn, though. Oh, Johnny Flynn used to cook him? Johnny Flynn. Minnesota days? We did not beat them. Damn. We couldn't beat them, bro. see Johnny Flynn, though. Oh, Johnny Flynn's the cookie? Johnny Flynn, yeah. Minnesota Names? We did not beat them. Damn. We couldn't beat them, bro. Johnny was nasty, though.

That's all I'm about to say. With Wesley Johnson and that Wolves team, though. How the fuck y'all ain't beat them? We couldn't beat them, bro. They was a bad team. Pekovic. He was strong as shit. He was strong as shit.

K-Love was over there. That was my favorite 2K team. Them niggas was cold on 2K When did they get Kevin Martin? They had K-Mart That front part was nasty with them two That's probably why I didn't win I couldn't get a fucking rebound

Bro, we had Boozer We had Balls Them two down there Shit, they was both double doubles Y'all hear me say Them niggas was still a little bit They had Booze, Millsap Millsap was probably

eight, seven rebounds a game. Shit. That's what he do was rebound. That nigga Kevin Love was getting 17 rebounds. I don't respect Paul Millsap. Oh, yeah. We know Paul Millsap.

If Melo caught a body on him, you were probably the taker. Hey, I saw that. Off the one step. He turned it over, too. He threw it to him. I was like, I was on the back.

I was on the end. I know exactly where I was, too. I checked in that him. I was like, I was on the back. I was on the end. I know exactly where I was, too. I checked in that game in the third quarter. We were on that for playoffs. I was watching that. I said, oh, my God. This is the NBA. That was my first NBA game, bro.

Damn. That was my first game. Damn. I remember that. And Melo dunked the hell out of Sapp. I'm like, damn. Clip that up, Luis. It was so effortless, though. It was just like of Sapp. I'm like, damn. Hey, clip that up, Luis. It was so effortless though.

It was just like, okay. I was like, oh shit. Yeah, because he thought he was going to travel. Yep. He was trying to outlay and Melo kind of jumped it. I'm like, Sapp, no.

Now you're on a poster forever. And that's when he was saying I'm back. He was saying because he was going through all that scrutiny or whatever that summary for.

He was on a mission. Facts. So playing with D. Will, though, did you just have to spot up and be ready to shoot? That's it. That's it. And I couldn't even shoot. That's the thing. Like, I was a slasher, energy, all that kind of stuff.

So, like, honestly, it wasn't until Jeff Hornacek. Because I had Kyle Corver was on that team so they would sub me so when I started playing I was playing because I was guarding

I was energy all that kind of stuff but then like Kobe and all them guys they would guard me obviously and sag off because they weren't

worried about me shooting so then that's when they would sub put Kyle in so he was more of an offensive threat so Hornacek's like you want to stop coming out the

game? I was like, hell yeah. He's like, you got another round to shoot. I said, alright, let's do it. So every morning, I'm shooting on the gun with Jeff Hornacek. Every single morning. Never beat him. Never beat him. But then,

the game start coming around, start feeling confident, I'm wide open, catch it, boom, hit one, boom, hit another one. Now they got to close out to me,

now I can start doing what I want to do. Yeah. Cut and slash and all that stuff and then now, like you said, like, that's how I started starting

was just like adding stuff to the game but, you know, I had to have someone that saw it for me too so, shout out to Jeff Hornacek,

I tell him that every time I see him. For sure, man. Obviously, that shit working is crazy. Like, this even happened because last episode, we mentioned you because we referenced you. It was just like, if you're not a lottery pick, you damn near better off being in a situation where you could be second round or undrafted

because now, like for you and your situation, you grinded to a point to where you got paid quicker than everybody else in your draft class. Yeah. Facts. I was one of those people in that draft class. Yeah. Facts. I was one of those people in that draft class. I was like,

what the fuck? Right to it. Oh, man. He went to Dallas after that, didn't he? No, Portland. He went to Portland. Portland.

Yeah. Portland, that's when he really started shooting that motherfucker. That's when, oh. I'm like, he letting it fly. Hey, for real, bro.

Y'all was shooting threes. You and Nico? The two? Bro, y'all was letting them threes fly. Let them go. And then got Dame. Yeah. Dog.

I'm still mad at y'all, though. Y'all ended Kyle's streak. We played y'all in Portland. I took that person. Bro, these niggas. They was in all out. He was in all out denial on Kyle. I was all day.

I was like, what is he doing? I went 100%. You love Kyle Farmer? Yeah. You love, bro. I 100% took that. And Kyle's my guy out denial on Kyle. I was all day. I was like, what is he doing? I went 100%. You love, bro. I went 100% to him. And Kyle's my guy. I love Kyle. Our kids play together and all that stuff. I took that personal, though.

He's like, he's not getting no through this. But look, though, as a rookie one time, he had me pick one of his suitcases up one time. I didn't really feel like I had to. I should have. But I did it anyway. So, like, I swear. I told you. Like Randy Floyd.

He marked that down. I respect that, baby. Clip that up. I love Kyle. I'm like, hey, not tonight, though. Hey, you NBA niggas are the pettiest people on earth. He real petty for that, man. Kyle had a three-goal.

They beating our ass. So, the rest of the game, we like, we got to get Kyle a three. We man. Kyle had a three goal. I know. The whole game, they beating our ass. So the rest of the game, we like, we got to get Kyle a three. We got to get Kyle a three. No. Bro, they in all out denial. That was not happening.

They up 20. He not letting me get it. I'm like, I know this streak ain't about to end right here. I told Nick, I said, Nick,

if he gets a three on you, I'm whooping your ass. Bro, they was in all out denial. I don't remember who our coach was at the time. I said, I'm playing every minute he plays.

Bro, he was in all out denial. That's funny. He was like, I was like, not the time. I said, I'm playing every minute he plays. Bro, he was an all-out guy. That's funny. He was like, respect, Wes. Not tonight. I'm like, I'm doing everything to try to get him a three. Bro, y'all, that man's screams was illegal as hell. It didn't matter.

Damn, before Draymond. It didn't matter. Facts. I don't remember who y'all had. Y'all didn't have Zaza, was it? Yeah, nah. We had, shit, I don't remember who was on that team. How many years did you spend in Portland? We was a four-five. Yeah, five. nah, we had, shit, I don't remember who was on that team. How many years

did you spend in Portland? We was a four, five. Yeah, five. Okay, you had a good stint there. It was a great time, too. Them fans was great. Yeah, in fact, I had a great home court event.

It was, it didn't matter who we played, didn't matter what our record was, didn't matter what the other team record was, other than the Lakers. But they be doing that everywhere. Yeah.

You know, but still, Portland wasn't, like, it was dope. Like, those fans. You know what I'm saying? You've been to a couple different places. What's your favorite city you played in so far? Is it Portland? I mean, for straight basketball, yeah.

All right, now fuck basketball. What city was cracking? What city was cracking? I mean, Dallas. I was going to say Dallas. I was going to make the whole month. Shout out to Zion. I love Dallas.

Shout out to my boy Z. Keep it all cool, fellas. That's one of my favorite clips when them three niggas at media day, he was like, Dallas. I knew y'all was gonna say that too Cause y'all was just gonna Break down the list of teams

I played on It was like alright Oh yeah Yeah we know Nah Dallas is fine I tried to throw it out there early But you know Y'all caught it

This one I knew he was real So you know me I'm petty I was trying to like Talk shit Not talk shit But trying to like Fuck with them in the game

And I went up to him one day and this is when Luca, this is Luca first year. I'll never forget. I walked up to Wes. I'm like, man, y'all gonna let the white dude

get the ball the whole game? That's crazy. He looked me dead in my face. He said, that motherfucker cold. He didn't say nothing else. I was, I said,

oh shit. I was trying to start some shit like, man, I know you ain't gonna let the white boy get the ball the whole game. Like, that was going to bother me. He looked at me like, that motherfucker cold. I said, oh, he must be nice.

Next thing I knew, I said, oh, let me shut the fuck up. He different. I'll never forget that, bro. I was like, I'm not going to say that to him. Maybe he was trying to get the ball or some shit. Hell no, he cold. maybe he was trying to get the ball or some shit.

Hell no. Hell no, he coached. So he came, as soon as he came in to practice and shit, you kind of got to feel like, yeah, he the one. Yeah.

You know how to do that. It was quick. I mean, he, I forgot what it was. We were probably just playing pickup. And I remember I was on the right corner.

I was on this side. He comes down. Bop, bop, whatever. Gets to the right, gets to the faint, like, attacks like the 45 or whatever. My man helps a little bit. He at no point do we make eye contact.

Like, at no point in the possession, he just throws it over his head, straight to me. I'm like, okay. Yeah, he different. He doing that stuff. You know, this was before he played an NBA game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright, he see the court. Yeah, he different. So. That's why you talking to this goofy ass man

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you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me you know me running them off. He got a long list of names for y'all. IEPT. Here you go, man. IEP is crazy. Nah, but that's why I wanted to ask you too. Like, Luka playing with Luka.

That motherfucker is so big and slow, bro. I don't know how he be getting that shit off. Do you know the trick? What's the trick to his game? I mean, one, he's got his brakes. He's like James.

He's like James where he can stop on the dime, change direction. His handle, you're not taking it from him. No. One, he ain't been 11. He carrying. One. But two, it's how the game go now. He know how to play.

He's not like those 6'8, 6'9 guys that want to play 6'2 he's going to play 6'8 with a 6'2 skill set so that's a great way to look at it that's a great way to

you got a future man he's going to be on TV nah bro I mean you got to ask the people that play with Grave you got to ask

because they like right there with him every day you know what I'm saying and he understands situations he's like I got a little guard know what I'm saying and he understands situations he's like I got a little guard

right here I'ma play post up game one cause I got a post up game and then two like I know that's the move like alright I got a big up here

okay I can break him down you know like he and then he know how to get fouled too so like thinking about all the elite point guards

you play with I know it's a tough thing to do but cause you who to do because you rank them. Like with Dame, D-Will, Luka, Trey right now. You know who I'm going to throw in there that people ain't going to remember? You will. Andre Miller. Cold.

I'm putting Andre Miller up there, bro. He understood the game. He understood the game. I didn't think it was cold. With the high-pitched voice too. Hey, man. He would break the game. He understood the game. I didn't think it was cold. With a high-pitched voice, too. Hey, man. Hey, man. He would break the game.

Now, he like, one time, he was like, hey. Hey, Wes, I know you ain't got the ball in a minute, but we got to throw the ball to LaMarcus Aldridge. So we going to throw it to him, but the next time when you cut underneath the basket, I'm just going to throw it. Just be ready. That's it. Like, he would read the situation. Like, he know, the basket I'm just gonna throw it just be ready that shit like he would read the situation

like he know like I'm not happy right now and I go you know like I'm guarding I'm dogging the best player on it like damn

I ain't got a touch like he be like hey look I need him to keep dogging yeah get that man a bug I need him I need him to keep dogging

I need him to stay engaged so he's like look we been shooting a lot of threes we been jacking the ball up we need to feed big fella that's our bread and butter but like after that look

I'm just gonna give you a touch that's real so like he be up there I'll say D. Will was up there yeah I mean D. Will

Andre Dame Luca and Trey I mean Trey that boy can pass the ball he can pass oh my god he can see that floor for being 4'7 he got out of the game Luka and Trey. I mean, Trey, that boy can pass the ball. He can pass like Luka.

He can see that floor. For being 4'7"? He's middle as shit. I remember I was on the court at the same time. I was like, damn, that's the smallest backcourt. I'm 6'1", he's 6'0". He can pass the ball, though.

Like, I think him and Luka might be one of the more even trades I've ever seen in the NBA. Like, for what they do for their team. Like, talent-wise, skill-set-wise. And I hate when people say it's Luka because they feel like Luka's better. I'm like, I do know that Trae Young did go to Eastern Conference Finals. Like, that actually happened.

Right. The best player on the team. Eastern Conference Finals, Western Conference Finals. Like, comparable points. Like, obviously, different situations. But, I mean. even track yeah I don't know the breakdown between who's won more who's lost more but I got it I think people take a look up more be just because of he rebounds better I mean he's saying. That's why niggas is giving him the nod, though. But I mean, yeah.

But you got... That's why motherfuckers is doing that. I'm giving Luka the nod, too. Yeah, motherfuckers is giving him the nod. It's understandable. And respectfully, too. Y'all both been there. Atlanta is a different market. For sure.

If Trae Young would be on TV more, there would be different opinions about that. If Trae Young was in New York... Come on, bro. I agree. I mean, yeah, market definitely plays a role for sure you know

cause Trey nasty that nigga cold he be having a great year like down years for Trey is 24 and 11 you also get like this

like that's the thing is like I'm seeing like honestly with this whole team like there's just so much there's so much there like we just gotta continue to

you know those habits of winning yeah you know how that should be hard like because the hardest part about developing habits of winning is like you're not gonna win every time you try and develop them have that's a fuck damn you know every time you try like i did everything right everything i was supposed to do and lost loss you know what i'm saying that's life too so it's like how do you continue to do that shit over and over and over and that's the part

where it's like everybody's taking strides and that's like I'm excited as shit like I know we was talking about like Trey and Luke and all that shit

but like I'm excited about like this team and everything you know it's facts man Leonard got a special place in my heart

they always got I'm always a Hawks fan from afar and I used to work for them so on and off the court you got a you got a

you got a little Marcus Aldridge story for us bro LA that's a big name we can't let go without you know speaking on for a few seconds

why what's that about I just feel like he's probably you know shout out to all the bigs you play with but he probably the best yeah at the four You know, shout out to all the bigs you play with, but he probably the best.

Yeah. I don't know, bro. I play with Giannis, bro. Yeah, I do. He ain't really a big, bro. What are we calling him now? A fucking animal. Giannis Hooper. I'm going to pay 100% respect to L.A.

because I love L.A. For sure. Giannis Hoop like he smoked turbo blunts though bro like that that's just he's different

yeah he's different he's different he smoked them trick nutty blunts I'm talking like a real like a big

post player yeah Giannis is a cheat code yeah okay so we talking about your last of the dying breed of the traditional. The power forwards. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Cause I saw Dirk on his, on the, on the back end. But even though it was flashes of that, that shit, like Dirk training,

bro. Like they know one love basketball more than him. That was crazy. But LA. Yeah. Cause he could go get you a bucket. Even when you knew he was going to do. Yeah.

He going middle. He going middle. He going to that. Or a turnaround going middle He going to that Or a block Turn around fade He going to that block He bump Bump Bump

Bump fade Or his bump Oh you too light I'm going all the way to the middle That boy did not use his left hand At all Ever bro That shit is crazy

And it activate the midi And that's what's so hard Niggas in the league Know what you gonna do You're not even about to use both But you can't fucking stop me, bro. I'm that good. I'm that nice.

He didn't seem like he was just that athletic. But he turning on when he needed to. He was a dog, though. He was going to go get it. He always played with an edge and a chip. And that's why I gravitated towards him. And I think that we had a chemistry, too. He was a big reason why I got all them threes

because I was always post feeding. I'm like, I post feed. They go double. I'm like, come here. Come on.

Come on. Let me shoot you. I love y'all Portland team, bro. When y'all got Dame, I say yeah. Oh, we was cold at 2K.

What? Oh, yeah, y'all was crazy. We were cold at 2K. Y'all was crazy. I loved y'all team, bro.

We was cold at 2K. I was subbing out the big. I was putting my, I was putting LA at the five and putting Baton at 2K. Y'all was crazy. I loved that team, bro. We was cold at 2K. I was subbing out the big. I was putting my, I was putting LA at the five and putting Batun at the four. Oh my God. Batun underrated too. Yeah, he was.

He used to strap niggas up, I don't know what's wrong with you. No, you are. That's just who talk, y'all. Strap up. Wear your condoms, but I ain't talking about that, y'all. If you want to.

Strap up. He's going to say it if you want to. Respect. We 520 in a day. Yeah. If you want to. Sure. We're going to say if you want to. Respect. We're 520 in a day. Yeah. That was really good. But I'm just saying,

Niggas with Tone used to really, like, lock niggas up. They used to do. The key about why we were good with that team is because, like, Nick allowed Dane

to be naturally what he is, which was a shooting guard to take him off the ball. Because Nick, like, he would score if he wanted to. But, like, he wanted to facilitate ball. Because Nick, like, he would score if he wanted to. He was handling the ball. But, like, he wanted to facilitate.

Yeah. So, like, that allowed Dan to cut off screens, me cut off flares, and, you know, Nick trying to throw them lobs. Nick won the games of, like, 8-8-8-8-8-8.

Yeah. That's what he wanted to do. Bro, he was like the black Hedo Turkoglu. Like, the way that he facilitated the offense and shit and could still shoot and do everything, everything bro it was perfect

yeah he run that same fucking he got to it though yeah he run that I'm just I'm missing he was right so disrespect

Nico was coming off that fucking high pick and roll chin action whatever y'all called it going right and he was looking for people

I'm like man if y'all don't let this motherfucker go left one time you going right not at all nah they was fired then y'all used to run that flare action I hate oh yeah the right not at all nah they was fired up then y'all used to run that

flair action I hate oh yeah chest action yeah I remember they was trying to what's that play it's like a flair flair screen

coming off a pin down like I would run off a pin down from somebody pass it back to Dame then LA was flair over the top I would flair over the top you could throw it over

or whatever I used to be y'all used to have my nigga in the over or whatever. I used to be... Yeah, I used to have my nigga in the blender. Man, what? Blender. I used to be like, listen,

we gonna switch it. Then I'll fuck up. Man, they had too much going on with that play. Oh, yeah. I hated that play, bro. Damn. Oh, yeah.

We was flying around. Yeah. I fucked with that team. Damn. That's crazy. So, you know what I'm saying? You said Dallas, you know what I'm saying? You fucked with that. The lifestyle was there. You know what I'm saying? You said Dallas, you know what I'm saying? You fucked with that.

The lifestyle was there. You know what I'm saying? You played in L.A. How was that? I always wonder how it is to play in Los Angeles. Because I feel like it's a lot of pressure just to play for the Lakers. That was COVID year, though. So, it was completely different.

Like, there weren't even fans and nothing like that. So, it was just kind of like... Open gym. Yeah. Yeah. It was open gym. So, like, I mean, it was just show up like open jam. Yeah, it was open gym. So like I mean it was just show up Work when you could cuz you know, you had to swab and all that kind of stuff like crazy it wasn't I

Ain't even really got nothing for you like Like, you know, it was cool like playing with Brian like, you know, I got a lot of respect for him and you know all those guys Keith, you know, all those guys. Keith, you know, Keith, one of the guys that really helped me, you know, through that. Just like. Twin. Yeah. Just like, you know, staying with it, you know.

But like seeing Bron's level of like attention to detail and stuff like that was pretty impressive. You know, he's doing what he's doing for a reason. It ain't my mistake. Like, he, first one, taped up. You know, first one, ice bags on already, you know, ready engaged, ready for film and all that kind of stuff. Like, he really cared about basketball. And so, like, that kind of environment is cool.

For someone that feels that same way. If you ain't cut with that cloth, there's a different story for you. Yeah, I probably wouldn't have made it in there. LA, COVID year, Jeff Teague, parties. Yeah, I would have had COVID.

I would have had COVID. y'all be talking about me look at this nigga playing with a serious matter I played in Boston I was in Boston that year that's why he called COVID cause he had a party he got a real COVID story

that is a fact shout out to the birthday party that is a fact I did have the birthday party that is a fact I didn't have a birthday party he got COVID fuck you nah but Wes man we appreciate you

for coming on bro and sharing your stories and shit man for sure for sure appreciate you I appreciate y'all I appreciate y'all

this shit was fun I'm glad y'all had me for sure good luck the rest of the season man unless y'all play the Pacers you know what I'm saying I hope you kill

but I hope y'all don't win if y'all play us but everybody else I hope y'all go crazy Pacers, you know what I'm saying? I hope you kill, but I hope y'all don't win if y'all play us. Everybody else, I hope y'all go crazy. Hey, we're going to be back next week. Same time, same game. Like, share, subscribe, all that good shit. We'll see y'all next week.

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