Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Afroman Part 1

Episode Date: August 5, 2026

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The police raided your home. They broke your door down. They searched the house. It wasn't no dungeon. It wasn't no weed. I was surprised some big, bad cops let me see where it hurt. My answer to them violating me like that is a rap song. You ever seen that movie Lionheart?

Yeah. Toward the end, Linehart was fighting with them broke ribs. And that big dude, he was just bouncing and he tapped them ribs. Like, he said, oh. So that's what you heard it, huh? All my life. That grind in all my life. Sacrifice.

Hustle paid the price. I am your host. I'm all my life. I'd be grinding on my life. All my life. Hustle paid the price. Want a slice. Got to roll a dice.

That's why. Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shethe. I am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proprietor of Club Shethe. We'd first like to thank Barbershop Cuts and Cocktails for hosting us today in Las Vegas, hidden behind a working barbershop in the cosmopolitan. This speakeasy brings live music, great cocktails, and one of the best nights on the strip. Now, let's get to today's episode.

Stopping by for conversation on the drink today. Is a Grammy-nominated rapper, a multi-platinum selling rapper, a global chart topic artist, a creator of anthems that stand the test of times. He's a total performer. He's loved by a devoted fan base worldwide. He dances, plays the drums, plays the guitar. He's a total musician, an entertainer, and an entrepreneur. He's a cultural icon, a viral sensation, and a fan favorite.

He's one of a kind, an American hero. He's a champion of free speech. The hungry hustling American dream. Here he is, Afro-Man. Thank you. How you like that, I did you? I love it. I love it.

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Thanks for stopping by. I see, you got to, you are taking a block off of Don King because this is something that Don King has the hair. You know, he had his hair out. had the flag going. You know, like, I don't know, you know, there's only what I hear and see. So you don't remember. I know Don Ken. Okay, okay.

And he is. Because he's from Cleveland. He is one of my inspirations. Right. Like, you know, some people hate him, but I love, I am the American dream. Yes. You know, I got that from him. I got a whole song, and I chuck about being the American dream.

Right. And all this type stuff and his vocabulary. Right. And yeah. Amen. Man. You like Chappelle's in Ohio. What is, and I think you're originally from like Hattiesburg, right?

I'm from L.A., but you know, my people come up in Alabama, you know, summertime. Okay. Back and forth, you know, two years here, two years there. So being from L.A., what was it about Ohio? What's the appeal? I'm trying to figure out what Chappelle, because Chappelle is, I think, from New York, wasn't Hollywood. He said he wanted a nice, quiet of life to raise a family.

What was the appeal about Ohio to you that drew you there? It was a girl and some cheap land. I could talk all day, but I guess I'll go to tell you the truth. Right. Yeah. So the girl, the cheap land? Girl and cheap land. Are you still with the girl?

Yeah. I like how Facebook say they get complicated. It's complicated. I like that one. That was a nice out. So have you run into Chappelle? Have you seen it? We're getting close, man, because, you know, his people is

You know, knowing my people and we, and, you know, I know he's up, he's up north by Dayton. Right. And I'm out southeast, you know, by Cincinnati. I saw online that you brought purchasing property, five acres in Ohio, $24,000, and today is worth over $300,000. Was that your thought process? Because I'm sure money goes a lot further in Ohio than it would in L.A. or a lot of other major cities. Yeah, yeah.

My dad taught me how not to fall in love with a city. To the point where it breaks you financially. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? You know, always preach, don't let a woman break you and don't let a tourist-type sentimental city break you. You know, just, you know, like get where you need. He said, even the animals migrate.

Yeah, true. Very true. He said, the animals migrate, getting a better life and you're standing there like a food. You know, it's, yeah. Would you consider that one of your better purchases, that land, that real estate that you was able to purchase? Yeah, real estate's always good.

Right. You know, the value go up instead of decreased. Right. So, yeah, it was cheap. You know, coming from L.A., I never heard of a $50,000 house, you know, just different stuff. Yeah. I got some, I got two places right next to each other. Okay.

So, you know, I got, but, you know, I didn't, I haven't heard, I heard my dad talk about my grandfather getting land for that type of stuff. Right. You know. Way back when. Yeah, back singing Sam cook and stuff like that. Yeah. So I was tripping when I heard them kind of prices.

And you're like, okay, let me get a little piece of this right here and see what's going on. Yeah. So you got a farm? Yes. Is it considered a farm? Do you have animals? Do you raise animals? Do you grow your own crops?

I'm a rapper and I get hired. I do that. I ain't growing nothing. You know, all I want is play my rap music loud without the police showing up. I just need some space. So you don't have animals, you don't grow your own food? It's just, you just have a big piece of real estate. Yeah.

I don't have time. I be rapping all the time. Okay. You said a hundred and ninety-five acres. You want to build your own community? Yes. Afro-Americans, and I'm going to say Afro-American. I am of African descent.

Correct. Personally, I feel like we was betrayed and sold. To the point where I feel like it's my option to patronize that that's, that's title or not. I'll do respect to him. If something jumped off and all black people were attacked, I would stand with him for survival. Great. Okay, but I find a lot of arrogant and condescending and disrespectful to Afro-Americans when they're here on the civil rights that our mothers and fathers and grandfathers fought for, I just think they ought to be a little bit more respectful under all the circumstances, under the circumstances that they betrayed us, backstabed us,

served, sold us, and then they're living in America benefiting off of the civil rights that we fought for. That being said... You're talking about white America, correct? No, I'm talking about Africa. I'm talking about Africans. Oh, you're talking about Africans that came over. Right.

Okay. The Africans, they sold us. Right. They sold us in slavery. Right. Then, you know, a lot of them are condescending. Okay. Disrespectful toward Afro-Americans.

Oh, okay. Okay. So that being said, I call myself an Afro-American. Okay. Not denying I'm a descendant of an African. Okay. But just before the betrayal, I call myself an Afro-American. Now, as an Afro-American, I don't believe a community.

Well, they have made them in the past, but they have been destroyed. Okay. There's not necessarily a black community or a black friendly community designed by black people for black people. There was. They're greenwood and tolls over home. Like I said, they tow them down. Right. Okay.

Okay. Okay. It's like it's not our option right now. Right. Yes. Okay. So now I want to improve on a greenwood. Oh, okay.

I want to improve. I want to come back. I want to try it again in, what is this, 26? Yes. Okay, now, my quick idea is like, you know, they say we need to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. So, you know, whatever. They say the 40 acres in the mule is the equivalence to the white American. The fact that we can, on paperwork, technically speaking, we can do what the white American can do.

We're supposed to be equal. That's supposed to be our 40 acres in the mule. Right. Okay, but I believe that American black people needs. we don't have a place to go. Like, you know, there's all these things. So anyway, I thought about building a city. Not even got to be a city, like a town.

Not that I still want access to neutral America. But the Afro-American doesn't really have a place to go. Now, there's another thing. I don't, you know, positive black people that don't want their kids being called the N word. Okay. They don't have a community, in my opinion.

Like everybody, you know, you gotta get, there's no sacred place to get right. So I wanted to make one, anti-N word Afro-American community. That word bothers you, huh? It does.

Why? Well, first of all, here's the thing. Here's the thing. It's the most offensive word in the English language. Correct. All right.

Watch this right here. Everybody got freedom of speech. You got the right to say it. But in my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, I got the right to not hear it. That being said, now I'm going to be logical. When I go to Walmart and the airport, I'm going to know I'm in neutral territory

and I'm not going to go crazy if I hear it. Right. But if I can, there's nothing wrong with me building a place where you don't have to hear. Yes, sir. Does they bother you in rap songs? Do you hear it? I mean, because this is in a lot of rap songs,

it's in a lot of popular rap song. It's been going on for years. I don't like it. Right. If I'm a Laker fan, I don't say fuck the Lakers. Okay. Right? I know some, some, you know,

if I'm a white man, I don't call myself white trash. Some dudes might do it and they have a little ego swag to it, but for the most part, you're going to be pro what you are. Right. So in my opinion, I don't believe black people ought to address each other with the most offensive word in the English language, encourage other people to join in and do it also. That's my opinion. Right.

Now, I understand that outside of my body, the next man is living his life, liberty, and his pursuit of happiness. So that's why I'm just talking to, you know, discussing my plans to live in harmony and around these type of situations. So you want to establish a community, not just with family or friends, but you want it to be all encompasses, anybody that wants to come and purchase a piece of property and set up shop, but you want it to be harmonious. You don't want to, you know, no negative, you don't want negativity, you want to use of

the N-word. You want people to prosper and to be happy. It's like this right here. You got freedom of speech. Yes. The people that come inside this community, I don't want them to have the desire to use their freedom of speech in that way. It's going to do it.

Okay. Okay. All we're saying is if you want to use your freedom of speech to use the N word and insult Black people and whoever, just do it on the other side of this fence. And I bought the property, so, you know, it ain't like, this ain't like in the middle of Times Square where I'm gonna just make anybody in this zone start obeying all these weird rules, you know what I'm saying? So I think it's a, I think it's a realistic compromise.

Just a place, just a place to just a place. A zone of respect, just a zone where a young black soul, a young Afro-American, he don't have to get contaminated with negativity because random spirits got access to him, a place where he can hear, hey, you're a brother, you are Afro-American, you're a sub-brother, you're a good person, you're a brother, now on the other side of this wall, people are going to address you with other things, but you're not that. You know what I'm saying? The option to give life some good people. Yeah, something positive. Yes, sir. When was the last time you said the N-word of being called the N-word? I mean, on the Internet all the time.

They called you? I mean, you know, if I say something and somebody don't like it, you know, here it comes. Right. Now, when I said it, when I was young, when I was young, like 13, 14, and then I think I even said it after I was 20, on this one song I thought I was so hard for saying it but I figured other black dudes

was going to buy my tape I didn't know whatever but I kind of cut it out around I hella slowed it down I know I cut it out around 2000 okay

wow that was a context you know what I don't want to be addressed like that But I also, I don't want to be a part of the stereotype that address another brother in that manner. Because if we say this, if it's taboo for them to use it, let's make it taboo for us to use it. I mean, that's the part I don't understand. You know, like, you know, and I have to acknowledge the fact there are self-proclaimed end words. I have to step back and let these brothers exist. Right.

Okay, now I'm going to let them exist, but I am going to distinguish myself from them. And I love them. I do business with them. I do this, that, the other, but, you know, they get the N-word and too long. I'm going to get my atmosphere. We're going to co-exist, you know what I'm saying? But there are self-proclaimed end words. So there's got to be other brothers and sisters that feel like I do,

and I just need to get where I need to be. and create us a space. It is. I think every subculture has a way of relating and talk to each other in a negative negative way. I think gay people, gay and lesbian people talk to each other

in their subculture. I think women call each other the B word in their subculture. I think, you know, transgender and things, they talk to each other. And so I don't have Hispanics or whatever, Asian, whatever, me,

and I love what you said that's their freedom of speech and if that's the way you choose to be, I don't necessarily have to be around it, but I'm okay with that. And that's what I've adopted. If that's the way you want to communicate in your subculture, and I've never been one that's like, man,

well, you called them a negative term or you called her a negative term, why can't? Well, I'm not in that subculture. I'm not of that ethnicity. So I, but I've never wanted, I've never, like, because somebody else said something to somebody, I felt I had the right to say it too. Just because I got freedom of speech.

That's just me. Right. Everybody might not feel that way. There's a thin line between freedom of speech and disturbing the peace. Right. So, you know, you ought to use your freedom of speech to do something important. You want to be civil. Okay.

You want to actually get some progress with your freedom of speech. Right. You don't want to insult somebody and then they beat you up or kill you. Well, the freedom of speech is not a freedom of consequence. Well, you know, so you got freedom of speech, but there is no windshield between your face and that man fits. And we're going to have to holler at you later after we get that dude off your ass. So there's a thin line between disturbing the peace and freedom of speech. So, you know, people use their freedom of speech to antagonize people.

Yes. You know, like, you got that, but don't cry when you get what come with that. Right. You know. Yes, yes. So. But you also own property, Oklahoma, California, Mississippi. Why is it so important for you to own property?

And that's a great thing, I mean, that you own property in all these places. Do you just have homes or you just, if that's something you want to build a community in all these places? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I want to know where the anti-N-word Afro-Americans are. You know what I'm saying? You can have a sign up? I mean, you know, we may not have to do it like that.

You know what I'm saying? But what's life, liberty and pursuit of happiness? Correct. What's wrong with me pursuing my happiness? Right. I'm not happy with people just randomly approaching me using the inward. And it's all good. I'm not going to go crazy, but I got to thin that out to the point where that's, you know, that's okay.

You know what I'm saying? That can't be all day. day, you know, and they send you to anger management. Right. I gotta manage my anger. So we just need a little space. You lived in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. What was that like?

At what age were you in Hattiesburg? That's gonna probably be like eight, nine, ten, eleven. Mm-hmm. And we-hmm. So that was what, late 80s? Yes, sir. Like mid to late. 80s.

Yeah. So what was it like, what was it like for somewhere between an eight and a 12-year-old growing up in Haddishburg? Mississippi. Good times. We had a lot of fields, and we used to like to play football. You know, everybody's mama wake up and cook, feed them. Now she got to wash the dishes and clean the house.

So everybody's mama kick them out the house. Right. And we all lived around these big fields. Okay. So we played football. And, you know, as soon as you come out the house, you own their team, you know. And I was the only child, so I had a lot of fun and Haddickburg. with all them kids and them big fields.

All we needed was one football. That's it. And by 22 people, you know, have a good time, you know. It's a scorching sports summer and you can make all your picks on prize picks. The WNBA and baseball seasons are heating up. And with big tennis slams and major golf tournaments on the horizon, you can make your picks for all of these events all summer long on prize picks, a number one sports pick app.

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to Mississippi, what would you say it is? Chicken is one of our major exports. So, you know, fried chicken. Now, I will say this, as a 51 year of and out of that, I look at the whole thing. Okay. The Gulf is a splash off of New Orleans. Yes. If you threw a rock and it landed in New Orleans, all those little waves.

It's like Mobile is a baby New Orleans. You know, Gulfport, Mississippi. It all got there. You start seeing them little funny, little French little balconies and stuff. So, uh... So, see-fewers a big thing. You know, you know, so Cajun food is always an option.

You can always, you know, get you some gumbo. But then, you know, there's that good old, you know, you know, American-souled food and country food, whatever you want to call it. Right. You know, you can get you some collard greens and some fried chicken and, you know, that's what you know. Did they, did your mom or your grandparents?

Did they allow you to cook? Can you cook? I got my dishes. You know what I'm saying? I ain't going to just, you know. You ain't about to go in the kitchen and just talk about out for y'all. I mean, I will. I will.

So what you're cooking? Okay. I cook the best shrimp fried rice in the world. Okay. Amen. Let's see here. I can barbecue wings really good. Okay.

I can barbecue rivize really good. You're like on the grill or on the stove? I like a charcoal grill. Okay, you like charcoal. Okay. You ain't with that gas. No, either we barbecuing or we're going to go in the house. What we do it.

Yeah, they come out here. You brought the house out here with the tank. Right. We might as well go in the house and use the stove. Right. Because I got how you made because I got, you made that song in Mississippi, and it's still popular today.

Tell me what was going through your mind because it's interesting because now that I got you here and you got all these anthems, I want to know at the time of you making that song, what was going through your head? I remember I was going to clean up my room. And I was selling my,

CDs and stuff so like kids would come over my house and they had bought them for me cheap and they'd go flip them. You know what I'm saying? So you hustling today, I hustled you. Hey, hey, that's how the world work. Wholesale retail, you can't have it all. You know, the little man needs to eat or else he ain't gonna come holl at you. Right on.

So you know, I was just trying to get mine and I was trying to stay, it was working for me. came over, he wanted some CDs, he wanted to smoke a blunt before he left. So I'm like, all right, I'm going to smoke a blunt. It was a polite way to get rid of him, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, all right, I'm going to smoke this blunt with you. So he said, man,

you got to hear this song. So it was it was pimsy and it was one day you hear, then you're gone. Right. Then it started, and it was one of the mood changes. And the dude sounded like Al Green. It came on.

like, wow, wow, wow, wow. He's like, one day you're here, and then you're gone. Oh, don't, don't, and man, it was depressing, but it was good. It was real by how you can be alive today and dead tomorrow. And it was just taking, and we was hitting that weed and, you know, that song's beat. And we kept playing it over and over. I just got into it.

We got to talk it. Then some girls came over, had some beers Hold on, all this is at your mom house? No, I didn't stay with my mom. Okay. Yeah, that was my, my dad moved to the country and he rented that house to me. All I had to do was, you know, pay the land taxes

and just that and the other. How were you at this point? I'm like, I'm like 20. Okay, okay, okay. For a second, I thought you were like, you were still like a teenager or something. No, no, this is because I got high. I'm 51, so I was 20-something.

Okay, okay. That was about 25, year, 26, 20. Right. Yeah, so I took and they came up, we got the drinking, and Nog story short, I didn't get nothing done. Right. And I was like, I was gonna clean up today, and I was like, man, I got high with that dude,

start playing that music, and then I got to drinking the beers and none of this stuff got done. Then I started looking at other stuff, and then I started writing them little song, little verses and everything, put it together. So at what age did you decide that you wanted to become a rapper?

That's going to be 12. Okay. So who was some of your influences? I love the whole game at first. I was fascinated by any man that could talk while he would. He could rhyme while he talked. So KRS1, Eric then. Before KRS 1, you know, it was Houdini.

Oh, yeah, oh yeah. Houdini was my first introduction in the hip-hop. It used to be this dude. Like, my people was church people, so we couldn't play what they called secular music. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

So, like, this dude had a radio and he had walked by my house and go to the store and get him a big goat. And the only rap music I could hear was when this dude walked by my house with that radio. You were next to a circle of KD, huh?

No, it was a junior food market down in the South back then. I don't know if you've ever seen them. No, I didn't know. But it was Houdini. It was five minutes to funk. I remember. I'd be sitting in my room and I can hear that through the window.

I get him starting running through the house. And I hit the yard and I cheer and moan. And he had always shake my hand with the bike like, yeah. You know, he always made sure he walked by my house with me, play that Houdini. You know, freaks come out at night, friends. Do you credit Howard Sterns for making a because I got high popular? I thank

I thank him for throwing a big stick on the fire Right But because I got high made itself Popular on that first form of YouTube Called Napster Okay You know I wasn't hip to it back then But everybody else was

How did he hear about the song He got it off of Napster Because he didn't buy it for me Hey But you were nominated for a Grammy for that song, right? Yes, sir. So, I mean, you were in the same category as Missy, get your freak on. She won.

Dio Mex, Who We Be, Jay, or Hove was in there, Izzo. Nellie, ride with me. Boy, this is heavy hitters, and they're like, damn. But the mere fact that that little song occurred from, you were in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, and they got those big, big conglomerates pushing them. And you're sitting at the table with them. How did that make you feel?

Did he like, okay, this is what I'm supposed to do? Back then, I was mad because I didn't win it. But as an old man, I'm smiling from here to ear like, damn, all right, we good. My nomination is cool. Right. Soldier Boy claims he's the first viral rapper on the internet. But you before Soldier Boy, that was. Yeah, God bless him.

I think he from Mississippi. You know, he younger. and you know God bless him He push his fame And make his money You know But you know I'm older than

I remember my kids came in the room And told me about soldier boy My kid My kid said they were doing the They were doing their Superman And Batman So Craig Dad Yeah they was enjoying it

You know I was happy to see him enjoying I had played with him But I came out in 2000 And Mine hit around 2000 2001 So, you know, I think he was like 2005 or something like that right there.

Six or something like that. I don't know. Your music spiked after the defamation lawsuit. Did you ever think that, because like a lot of times, I mean, we get this a lot. Like when the entertainers, when they perform at the Super Bowl, all of a sudden they get this huge spike in their music where people have, you know, they knew who they are. They've been doing their thing, but they get a huge spike, especially in a lot of their old stuff. And even their new stuff, it spikes.

Did you think this would happen with you? Yes. Yes, I called myself the male Tina Turner. I've always got a skeleton leg and a stiletto, the head looked like a shock like I got to do with this. I'm back, baby. And I knew I always loved the way she came back as an old woman. Because once that movie came out,

what's love got to do with all her old stuff, private you know. But you know, that song, That song came out before that movie. Yeah, that song was in like in the 80s. Yeah, but... There's something... I get as a musician, I get this spark of positivity and hope.

When she come out, because I didn't know her. I don't like... I don't like all the... You know, I came on the scene with what's love got to do with it. Private dancer, all those songs. Well, you know, I, you know... So, I just... I just, Tina Turner taught me.

Damn it, it ain't over until there's blankety blank over. Right. So every time I get depressed, I always play what's love got to do with it. So their songs are uploaded. So every time they play them on Spotify and YouTube, you get a little kickback, huh? You know, whatever that is, you know what I'm saying? A lot of people complain about that hair fraction of a penny. You know, Jesus said it's better to give than it is received.

you know, I remember they'll play a rapper song free on the radio. Right. But then that helped you know it was out. Right. So that helped the rapper get the word out that his records. So, you know, like, it all balance out in my mind. Like if I don't get it from the record company, I'm going to get it from the concerts. If I don't get it from the concerts, I'm going to get it from somewhere.

You know, you can't keep it from me. Right. It's going to come to me some kind of crazy way. But you know, in the beginning, you know, you had to. They played radio stations. I mean, they would play the radio station to spend yours. And so to play your records. But here's the thing.

Watch this. Go ahead. I didn't have to pay nobody to put out because I got high. If it's good enough, you can't stop it. I like that. I didn't pay no promo. And later on in life, I was paying people to position my records in front of the store. Couldn't verify that they was doing it.

Right. This day and the other. And then I thought, I told myself, I didn't have to do that because I got high. because I got a high did that by itself. So that's just a hustle and a rip-off. But your music video beat Taylor Smith and Bruno Mars on YouTube. I don't know about that, but it sounds good. A couple of sips to this, I like the way that sound.

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it was interesting in my afro man world. So like I average 13 comments. You know, 13, 20. You know, I'm like, all right, I get up in the 40s and 50s, you know. You feel good. I mean, I started doing cabbage patch and everything. Like, man, all right. You know what I'm saying? So I knew, I didn't think it would blow up like this.

Because I've been trying to run my followers up for years. But the, just the police officers announcing that they were suing me that outraged the world to the point where they was just interested like the police was bringing me the the numbers Help the people that don't really Didn't follow this case to understand the case

The police raided your home Because they thought you were a drug dealer You had something going on? What brought the police To your residence Unconfidential informant Told the police she got busted with some whatever she had right to get out of that she started making up stories about me okay uh she told them that i had a dungeon and i had kidnapping victims and she told them

that i had a lot of weed like whatever and that's what they came looking for you know they're excuse was we had to get the kidnapping victims out of there. Oh, yeah, yeah. So we got to move right now. Yes. Like that situation, they're coming in. Then he got, you know, a pyramid of marijuana. Okay.

And then, you know, so by her saying that, you know, that they, you know, that. They came immediately. That got the cuffs off of her and they jumped in their cars and came around there and, you know, kicked down my door. But you have like, was, so you have surveillance. You got cameras watching your property and all that. So when they get in, did you see them coming? Could you see them on your...

When I backed it up, you know, I wouldn't ride around looking at my surveillance camera. It'd been another boring day. But you weren't home. Were you home when they came? I was not. Oh. So how did you know they were there? So when you looked at your camera, when you looked at your...

Yeah, I got the car that they were swarming all around the house. And then I pulled off the freeway, pulled in the speedway, got me a big mountain do big goat. I open that door through that seat on recline and hit my little app and, you know, start checking them out. Could you talk to them? Could you, could you, can you?

I didn't have that one set up. Okay, okay. You know, I'm, you know, I'm new to the video era. I'm just happy. I just want to see who took whatever. Okay, okay, so now you get, okay, you get the call, hey, hey, bro, they got caught,

they got cop cars everywhere. I don't know what you did and what you said, but they are here. you need to get home. So you get your Mountain Dew Big Gulp, you head to the crib. You get there and they say what? I don't head nowhere. I stay right there in that speedway part of the like sipping that motherfucking Mountain Duke. So you don't go home right away. I don't talk to people with AR-15s. Okay. I talk to people with Konyiak and weed and women and music. I don't talk to people running around with ARP. That's not the guy I want to see today. Okay, so when did you get home and were they still there when you got home?

No, I made sure they was gone. Okay. But you knew they were coming back? For what? What they wanted to see what a dungeon was? They searched the house. It wasn't no dungeon. What about the weed?

It wasn't no weed. So it was no dungeon, there was no weed. No weed. Okay, so what was the issue? So did they offer you an apology? Apologies. I'm sorry. No, no. We see it all the time people pick up the phone and give the police like a fake call. Yeah. We see it. Oh, I'm being attacked. Oh, this that, neither. I'm this old. But this one, it wasn't that kind of lie. It was a different type of law. It was a lie of hey, let me out of this and I'll tell you about something. But it was a lie that still could have got someone hurt. Yes. Yes. Oh, yeah. Because I can imagine if you were home, you know, I'm a lot. I'm a lie. I'm not. I'm a lie. I'm a lie. I'm a lot. I'm a lot. I'm I'm like, bro, police, ain't nobody call y'all. And when we call you sometimes you take forever to get here, now all of a sudden you show

up unprompted. Yeah. And then you said they broke your door down. You're probably going to feel some type of way. You expect this, I mean, door fly off the hinges. You might grab the piece and then boom. All that because somebody told a lie and then, unfortunately, life is lost. Right.

And what I don't like is to this day, there's no punishment for her giving them false information and making all of this jump off. You see what I'm saying? What about, so have they repaired the door? Indirectly with their ass. Thanks to me. They, you know, I, you know, I inspired the money. And, you know, I had to get it.

So let me, so, okay, y'all do this to me. Okay, first of all, you raid my house. You, you believe somebody that had something to gain from this to get out. to get out of that, they put me into it, which wasn't true. So you know what? So how did you come up with this? You know what? I know what I'm going to do.

I got something for y'all. How did you come up with these anthems that, you know, the lemon pound kicking all this? Man, I've been doing it for years. You know, I started rapping at 12, right? It was a girl bully. She was cute. She had brand new clothes on. And, you know, my parent, we was back from Mississippi.

And my dad didn't believe in $50 tennis shoes. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, boy, get out of here. Getting a pro kid. Yeah, you know, and so these little L.A. kids was, wow. They was, you know, they had phyla zone, and Dad wasn't been to buy me them. And I had old ringers.

And so she picked on, she stood by the gate, her and her loud home girls, and they picked on everybody raggedy. So she was light-skinned. And she had a slight mustache. Yeah, yeah. She was cute. Yeah. It fell in. just right. It was, you know, I kissed. She's still cute, but she had a little must

that. Her name was Carrie. So Lottie Dottie was a hot song. Okay. And I wrote my first rap song. Instead of Lottie Dottie, I wrote Harry Carey. So Slick Riggins say something out, I'd listen to him. I kind of write mine, kind of figured out how to structure it and everything, right? So I wrote it, memorized it. So went to school. She said something to me. And like I always say, rapping was a crazy. You attempt to do it. People gather around like a fight. I jumped up. I was doing my little duggy. I was doing my slick Rick part. I was like, all right, rem, let me just go. My buddy was beatboxing doing like the Dougie Fresh part. And so I was like, Harry Carey. And you remember them old men, they say when

you go down on a woman, it makes you put hair on your face, you know what I'm saying? So I said, Harry Carey ate her on Cherry. That's why her lips are very, very, and you know, that was, that was good to go in 86. And so her name to this day is Harry Carey. Oh, man, come on. You don't stuck that young lady with that name? It started back, just like a serial killer. I'm a serial rapper.

It started with Harry Carey. Then I had my eighth grade teacher, this kid. I had to move out of South Central. I'm living up there in Palmdale. So I'm going to school with a little white kid. So, you know, they're going to slip me a racial joke. But I noticed how they was good. They did give one, but they had, they had given one,

but they'd take one. So we was good. So I'm sitting in class, so this one kid goes, hey, Jobby. And so they used to call me back then. He goes, he goes, what do you, he's the, what do you call a black smurf? He goes, smigger. And so it was funny. I laughed.

As I was laughing, I flipped him off. She sends me to the office for flipping him off. But she doesn't send him to the office for telling the smigger joke. So I get mad at her. I go home and make a rap song about her. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, and then that was my next hit. Then the little Pondale kids was buying my Ms. Doeber tape.

I made a song called Ms. Dobley. So you got, so, okay, you make lemon pound cake. Will you help me repair my door, the police raid, while you disconnect to my camera, Randy Waters, there's a son of a beat. So I'm just like, so were you surprised when they said, you know what, we followed a defamation suit against you? Were you surprised that they went to this level

to get retribution against you even though they were wrong in the first place. Okay, yes. And I'm going to tell you, I was surprised on so many levels. First of all, before I get to run in my mouth and lose too much time,

I was surprised at the fact that they let me know it hurt. Okay. Now, we learned that lesson as little kids. Can't let them know. Don't let them know it hurt. Man. And I'm a rapper.

I'm like, what? You would, they suing me over some post and a song about a man looking at a pound cake. I ain't even got started yet, you know, so I was like, I could, oh, you ever seen that movie Lionheart? Yeah. Remember when he hit him, Lionheart toward the end, Lionheart was fighting with them broke ribs. And that big dude, he was just bouncing around. He tapped them ribs. Like he said, oh.

So that's what you heard of. I was surprised some. big bad cops let me see where it hurt. And I was surprised that words was hurting them. Because I'm like, I'm hurting from reality, the reality of them kicking down my door, running through my house with guns, and I can't answer that. My answer to them violating me like that is a rap song. Right. You know, that's what's, that's, that's what's, uh, embarrassing and hurtful to me. But with all of this power, with all of this authority, they can't stay on that pedestal. They're going to let my people.

Peasant words hurt them? Impact them, yeah. That's the part that surprised me. And then all of the other parts, like you raid my house, you steal my money, you disconnect my cameras, and then you sue me when I say something about it, the audacity, the outrage, the spectacle.

And then as I tripped, I realized the world was tripping with me, and that's when I cracked the smile. You know, when you go in the wrong direction, you can't turn around soon enough. You look at your GPS, that blue line going back the other way. You make a U-turn. I can't make a U-turn right now.

And I'm looking at them. They've been going the wrong direction for three, four, five years. And I knew it, you know, but they didn't know it. They can't, you know, when you mess up, you know, it's best to take that deep breath. Say, hey, I'm sorry. Yeah. And get that over with it. Don't keep that going.

Right. Because you're wrong and you're going the wrong way. But they messed up. They doubled down. They didn't care, and they just splashed and they puddle a wrong. You know, suing me, stealing my money, all that good stuff. Did you get the money back? No.

No. No. Why haven't you gotten the money back? Are they, they're going to compensate you? They haven't made no kind of plan. I still got to go after them. But there was a deputy on camera checking out the cake and said he received hundreds of pound cakes at work from different people.

So you had a cake in the kitchen. And he was on there, and you could see him looking at the You can see him, did he cut a slice? Did he get him? The cameras got disconnected. And the cake came up missing too. I don't know. Come on, man.

I demand we reopen this investigation, man. I know damn where they take your cake out. Man, where is it at? Where is it at? Man, you know what shit? I thought cough like donuts. They don't like cake. Man, these some Ohio cops.

They don't switch it up a little bit, man. These some country cops, man. They like Mama's Lemon Pound cake, man. But listen to a little bit of the trial. And they was like, well, he said this, and people said, and one guy was talking about how, you know, his kids asked, it was his wife cheating on him and things like that. And I'm like, really?

They really behave. Hey, watch this right here. Watch this. Would the world know? one of the cops had a pedophile brother and he's a statutory rapist if he hadn't to sue me? Would they know that? No. No.

Would the world know that one of the cops is married to an ex-convict thief if they had not tried to sue me? No. No. Would the world know that Sean Grooms blamed his divorce on me and his wife was my only witness that contradicted his whole story if he had not tried to. to suit. No. These are self-inflicted wounds. Yeah, because you're called discovery. Look, they brought this on them. They exposed themselves to the whole world being wrong,

honory, and greedy. They was, they was, if they were to just say, hey man, if they hadn't even apologize, if they would have just left and just shut up, let me sing my little songs. If they just would have shut up, it would have went away. You know, they brought attention to it by, reacting to it. They let me know it hurt. Then they let the world know it hurt.

I didn't mail those pound cakes to them. The world no hurt. The world messing with them. They just like that dude on Lionheart, they see that broke rib. So they did wrong, and instead of apologizing for the wrong, they tried to go after compensation from you.

They're trying to let, they're bullying me. They let me know, hey, we're wrong, we're bad, we're the government. and you can't do nothing about it. That's their message to me. But the problem was they did that live stream in front of the world.

Now, you can do that to me in an alley with nobody looking. That's what they're accustomed to doing. What they didn't realize was they was doing this in front of the whole world. And it's different when the whole world's watching.

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