Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Afroman Part 2

Episode Date: August 5, 2026

Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $150 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NIGHTCAP and go to PrizePicks.com/DoItLiveSweepstakes or check out PrizePicks social pages for more info. Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. Get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/shayshay. Application times may vary. Rates may vary. Trustpilot rating as of 6/1/2025. Grammy-nominated rapper Afroman joins Club Shay Shay. Afroman reflects on his journey from growing up between Los Angeles and Mississippi to finding success through music, investing in real estate, and building a life in Ohio. He explains why buying land became one of his smartest financial decisions, shares his plans to create an Afro-American community, and discusses his views on identity, free speech, and why he stopped using the N-word in his music. Afroman also opens up about his childhood in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, the artists who inspired him—including KRS-One, Eric B. & Rakim, Whodini, Slick Rick, and Don King—and the story behind writing his first rap lyrics. He reveals how the legendary hit "Because I Got High" came together by accident, how Napster helped make the song a worldwide phenomenon, and what it felt like receiving a Grammy nomination alongside Missy Elliott, DMX, Jay-Z, and Nelly. He also responds to Soulja Boy's claim of being the first viral rapper and explains why he believes his music paved the way for internet success years earlier. The conversation then turns to the police raid on Afroman's Ohio home, where officers executed a search warrant based on false information. He details what happened during the raid, why he believes the investigation was unjustified, and how the experience inspired viral songs like "Lemon Pound Cake." Afroman breaks down the defamation lawsuit filed against him by law enforcement, explains why he believes the case backfired on the officers, and shares his perspective on freedom of expression, the First Amendment, and turning controversy into renewed success. Throughout the interview, Shannon Sharpe and Afroman discuss police accountability, social media, streaming revenue, the music business, homeownership, entrepreneurship, and the lessons Afroman has learned over decades in hip-hop.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. Did you know that the judge was so impartial to you as the trial was going on because it was later came out that seemed like he was very disappointed in the verdict? Did you know he was impartial towards you? Yeah, and I'm going to tell you, I knew he was impartial before I even went to court. Well, he was partial towards you because he really wanted you to get to. He dismissed my claims before I even went to court.

In some little room somewhere with a click of a mouse, He dismissed my claim Without a hearing I just set up an appeal On 420 I dropped the 420 and we set an appeal What that date? It just all worked out

Watch this Watch God I went to court May to 16 Bird it came Behind every night spent making the kids Lunches There's a lot of suspense

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It just came out. Jeremy, what did you just do? you just sit yourself up for failure. I've never heard you tell this story. I've never told this story. This must have been tucked deep, deep in the Jeremy Lynn file. My name is MC Jen. I'm excited to tell you about laugh but not least.

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Yes All right easy brother I went to court March to 16th Correct verdict got read March 20th Correct

You got 30 days Of filing appeal 30 days from March 20th Was April 20th Great April 20th came They didn't file no appeal And I dropped mine in the basket

And it's beautiful It was the last day 30 days. Because there was a juror that came out and said, what was it about what he said that led y'all to not side with the officers? And she said, well, I thought that was very odd. That normally they's like, oh, is this your decision? They go by and ask each, is this your decision?

Yes, yes, yes, yes. But to ask why they didn't side with, that's odd. No, it's not odd. It's not. No, it's typical. It's typical to side with the police to back the blue. Now, listen, I'm not knocking police officers. Yes.

Now, just human beings join the police for me. There's good human beings and bad human beings. All right. All right. Now, I will say this, the good human beings in the police department ain't snitching enough on them bad ones. That is correct. They need to turn it up. Yes.

Because how can you be good when you sitting here allowing bad stuff to go on? Now, that's mine. I'm going to slip that little slip to all the good police. Okay. All right. Now, you know, but the, you know, I think I forgot the original question. No, but I'm saying because the judge, because he's supposed to be impartial, but he was partial towards his group. Right.

They, listen, I'm not a human being to them people. They was talking about Do you know what you did to her kids? Do you know what you did to mine? You know, what about my kids? You know, you came to my house first With your AR-15s But I don't exist, I don't matter

We're not talking about me We're talking about the guy with the guns kids Your kids would never know anything about Afro Man Had y'all not did what y'all did Right, so, you know So I was just tripping on how they was just talking Over and past me Like you're not even there

Yeah, yeah. Forget you. Here's your claim. We kicked down your door. We stole your money. We disconnect your cameras. Fuck your claims. Let's talk about what you did to these police officers. My dad said a man in Corpus Christi, Texas stepped on his foot and turned around and said, hey, man, why you put your foot underneath mine? People just know how to start a fight with you. If they think they can win. They didn't, they'll do it if they don't know they can. They try it. A lot of people get knocked out all the time. They thought they could win. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, these cats were dead wrong, but had arrogance with it. You know, they meant to do that, you know? One of your favorite lyrics is Mama's Lemon Pound Cake.

It tastes so nice. It made the sheriff want to put out his gun and cut him a slice. So you really can see the deputy cutting us, bothered. Or you made up. Well, you said they took the cake. say when you came back, a cake that you had on the counter was no longer there. Look here. Look him low, Lisa cut off the cameras and everything came over.

Oh, my goodness. Come on, bro. The cake was gone, the money was gone. You know. You took a fist of that, huh? Man, my Madonna's greatest hits is gone. You know, uh... They mentioned Cardi B's Wap, Lil Wayne's, you know, monster.

because they were taking it in a literal sense. It's like, bro, this is freedom of expression. I mean, nobody assumes that they see something in the movie that they can go out there and do it. This is your freedom of speech. This is your First Amendment. My biggest song is crazy rap. And I was trying to outdo too short when I wrote this song.

Too Short had freaky-tale. I grew up admiring too short. I was a little boy I heard freaky-tale. I'm like, damn. He had all them women. So I had to outdo too short. So too short sounds like he humped all the girls in Oakland. So I had to outdo too short.

So I had to hump all the girls in the world, right? So I had to go to Japan and, you know, I was all those. So somebody walked into me and they said, hey, Afro, man, is crazy rap true? And I said, I never had Dolly Park, man. I was lying, man. You know, like, right. But it's the entertainment. It's a song.

Yes. People know your line. They notice it. I don't know. Right. You know, a Superman. I knew when a rapper was entertaining me. Correct.

Yes. But what made you start making music videos with the security footage that it did pick up before they disconnected it? I wanted to get my money from them. I wanted to get my money from the experience they brought to my life. Okay. I didn't want because I got. high to pay for their damage. That was taking money from me to me. So I wanted to make an album about them and then I wanted to monitor that album to make sure all the damages was paid for

and possibly, hey, what if, what if, you know, best case scenario, them vandalizing my house was some kind of financial investment. They, you know, they got all. these budgets all the time. Yes. You know, they cost me $28,000. But then the ideas and songs I got from their $28,000 worth of vandalism inspired and helped me make a million dollars, two million dollars. Who knows how many records this thing might sell?

Right. In my lifetime. So I can look back over and say, hey, that $25,000, that $28,000 inspired me to make this million over here. You know what I'm saying? So I was trying to look at it through that lens. I read they broke down your front door, the gate to security surveillance system, where I refused to pay for damages, said it cost you $20,000 to repair. The cops took $5,000 from your home. They returned $4,600. You do $400. You let them walk with that $400, okay? No. $400, no. $400, no. Let me steal $400.00. I'm going to jail, handcuffs,

cocked to the side of the back of the squad car and everything. Now, a man representing the law can break it? No, that's no. No, no. He's supposed to be a rub, reproach, he's supposed to be a standard. Yeah, okay, I don't care if it was 25 cents. In the words of the great big worm, it's principalities in this. He's a cop. You can't represent the law and then break it.

Right. So just that principle. Right. They're going to have to fess up for my $400. You can't be a cop and a criminal at the same time. I don't want that. That don't need to be walking around with 100% immunity. Right.

Back up with multiple precincts. The Army is backing up the police. The Marines is backing up the police. There's a pyramid of power going to the back of a police officer's back. A criminal can't have that. Because he's not going to do right. He's going to pull over your son. He's going to pull over your daughter with all that authority and all that power.

and he's crooked. So if I see it, I got to get rid of him. Now, he got to be a better magician than that. Right. If I see it, I ain't going to let him go. That man's a thief, and he's a police officer. Right. No.

Give me my $400 back. Amen. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pesto survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all?

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Let me think. Did you walk up to the gate? That was me, Dee. That was you? That was me. The day we found out that you and the whole crew was at Hit Factory, the mission was to get me to go to the gate, start freestyling, and see if I could get in the studio. I'm rapping, and then suddenly I hear a voice, hey, open the gate, let him in. The gate slowly went, come, come, come, come, come. They all, they're watching this, and they watch me walk into there, and that is a moment that I will remember for the rest of my life.

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150% this kid, Jafar Jackson, should absolutely positively get nominated for his portrayal as Michael Jackson. Listen to I Am Rap Report on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever. you get your podcast. So I'm assuming a lot of your family because you got to call that they were there and your kids were there and you said they had the guns drawn on. So how have your kids, are your kids better today? Do they understand what transpired?

Yes. Yes. You know, I talked to him. How old are you if you don't mind me asking? Right now, if I can keep up with time, Jesus Christ, they're supposed to be 16 and 13 right now. Okay. They was like, I think they was like, maybe like 10 and 12, something like that, 10, 13,

back when the police raided. Okay. Since this has happened, how are you treated in your hometown? How are you treated where this transpired? Overwhelming, love, joy, and gratitude. Like, you know, I don't want to say that hero word. Right. I've seen, but it's like some something.

It's like some kind of parade. Right. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, I've been popular in high school. I've been, you know, I've been, I've done good concerts and people have cheered me on. This is big. This is different. Have you had any further interaction with the police? No.

And you like that? Randy Walters, he, after the trial, he came up to me and he was, you know, he was, you know, he was and kind of apologetic in a way. Mm-hmm. And, you know, I told him that I didn't want to fight him. I didn't want to shoot it out if we saw each other in Walmart, this, there and the other. And, you know, he was telling me how he was a Christian,

and he loved God and all that, and that was fine. And I told him, you know, I ain't gonna hate him, and I ain't gonna go to hell, and you know, I don't want him to get jumped on, I don't want him to get hurt. But I told him, I'm gonna sing this song forever. And I'm like, I'm not mad at you. This is, you know, I was going, life brought me because I got high.

Life bring me a song. And I'm going to sing that song. You know, it pays my bills. It helps me get through life. So I told him, you know, no hostility, you know, but, you know, you are suing me for a million and a half dollars. Great. With your nice ass. You know what I'm saying?

You did flip off my security kind of, you know, with your Christian self. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not going to hate you for that. I forgive you for that. Just like you're going to have to forgive me for singing this song for the rest of my life. And I told God, I say, God, I think this is a good compromise.

I told God, I said, I don't want these people dead. I don't want them hurt. I said, but I don't want to sing. I don't want to make money. And I think that is a peaceful compromise, all things considered. How different do you think this case would have band had it not been recorded.

I wouldn't have a leg to stand now. I'd just be some dude hollering, getting on people's nerve. But what I like about this is, I'm showing it to you while I'm saying it. Will you help me repair my gate as it's being destroyed? Will you help me repair my door as it's being kicked down? Did you find what you looking for? As we can see you didn't.

Do you help me repeat? So this footage helped me verify what I was saying. And the verification spread the outrage, you know, throughout the world. You ran for president in 2024. You plan on running in 2028? If everybody want me to. What about running? Have you just, what, have you thought about running for a local, say like a city council or the mayor or something?

Have you thought about running about for something? something in your hometown? Yes. I want to run for whoever can fire and check the police. I might have to be the sheriff. I might have to be the mayor. I might have to be the mayor. I'm going to be somebody. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you got to be the mayor for that. Okay. I might have to be the mayor. So if you were the president, give me a, let's just say for the sake of argument, 2028 you're running for president. And I need your plan. I need your plan. I I need you give me five or six points that you say, you know what?

If you elect Afro man as your president, I solemnly swear to do X, Y, Z. One, I'm going to put a jury in family court. Because I see what a crooked judge and some attorneys can do to a person. Interesting. I would like for citizens of America to be able to get jobs monitoring each police officer's video cam. Yes. I would like for America to make its own products to the point where it employs us.

Right. As much as possible. I wouldn't have any wars. If nobody is not flying over America directly bombing us or doing something, this, that, and the other, I wouldn't have no wars going on. I'd make sure America is self-sufficient to the point where we wouldn't need anything from the world, to the point where we had to go to war with another country or something like that.

I'd just make sure, you know, there was no wars going on. Well, you do realize, you know, America found that it was cheaper to import all the stuff. That's why all these factors, a lot of the factories that they used to have in Detroit and Ohio, they got shipped overseas because it became cost prohibited. But it's costing America in another whole different. It costs them jobs for sure. Right.

It's costing mental health. It's costing existence. It's costing finances. You know, it's bad for the good of the country. We're rotting from the inside out. So I would stop that. And I have that made in the USA thing back on every product. And then if you didn't go to work, that would just be your fault.

The jobs were- Because the jobs are available. Yes. You had your eight priority points in 2024. You did-criminalize cannabis, the criminal justice reform, law enforcement reform, a media halt to all foreign aid, reparations for African-Americans, promotion of unity, peace and love, promotion of celebratory, displayed in professional sports, legalization of prostitution, you said mechanical plants, are criminalized while pharmaceutical

companies enrich themselves on chemicals with unknown side effects. No more foreign aid, huh? I mean, if I see, if America's hurting, then no. You know, how I'm going to give you something when I need it at home? Yeah. So that's the cold, you know, truthful power, bottom line. You got reparations for African Americans. Do you believe that Americans will ever get reparations?

Well, I'm ready. I got a plan A and I got a plan B. Okay, give me A. All right. Plan A, present day America says, we don't want to pay for the sins of our forefathers. At the same time, the sins of the forefathers have an effect on today. Today.

My logical compromise is this. Afro-Americans, descendants of American slaves pay no state or federal taxes that don't cost nobody you don't got to that can just start right away that can start right away

you ain't got to so how long so forever or for the next five years for the next 10 years for the next 20 years if you're the lineage of forever slash 400

or however long slavery was in existence I say forever. Okay. Just because I'm my Afro-American. Hey, look, just leave me like, all right. Well, we know the earlier documentation is 1619 in Jamestown and they said officially ended 1865, supposed that, you know, what, 1865 because the masterplacian proclamation. So, so what, about 200 years and then you had Jim, we had reconstruction, had Jim Crow. So let's just say for, how about, let's split the difference. Let's be kind. For 200 years, for the next 200 years,

African American doesn't have to play state or federal taxes. Shannon, be cool, man, forever, man. Dude, mess up my plan. Can we step outside, right quick? We got to compromise. We got to get compromise.

We got to get compromise, bro. You said plan A. We ain't talking about plan B. Okay, what's plan B? All right, man. Plan B, okay, there's plan B is, let's say, let's say, they don't They don't pay the descendants of slaves for the atrocities that happen.

Okay. Plan B is this. Anti-N-N-word Afro-Americans like myself, okay? Go somewhere and try to buy the largest pieces of property possible. Some fun be set up where I ask the non-Black American that understands, if they want to, they can contribute whatever God puts on. their heart to help us, you know, establish ourselves and get out of everybody's way. That's plan B.

That ain't going to hurt nobody. I'm going to do the best I can, and I ain't mad if you got a little donation. I can't lie. I kind of like Plan A a little better. Amen. Now, Plan B is realistic than a mug, but, hey, plan A is, it's realistic. It's logical. Right.

You know, it's better than me saying, hey, Because you know, they ain't going to be able to afford what they really owe. Right. Afro-Americans for slavery. And it's easier if you don't see it coming out of your pockets. Right. I say, okay, they say, hey, we didn't make no slaves. I said, okay, fine.

Hey, look, just cut the state and federal taxes for Afro-Americans. You know, just Afro-American, not people faking like they Afro-Americans and hating Afro-Americans. Right. Yeah. You said legalized prostitution. Why should prostitution be legal? How does that help? Now, I didn't think I was going to make it to the presidency, so that was one of my lines that kind of entertained the crowd.

It was like a funny. So you're going to make everything like Vegas, huh? You know what I'm saying? Now, you know, like, I really, you know, that was a joke. That was a joke I told. Right. Now, you know, depending on the people, if the people would. tell me they want that, you know, I'll make sure the proper medical places are in place

and this, the other, if the people don't want that, then the people don't want that, you know, we the people, for the people. You're going to be a president. You're going to be a president for the people. Yes. You do realize a lot of people say that until they get into the office and it's for the corporation, for the pharmaceuticals, and for the healthcare, for the people. I'm really for the people.

I want to see the best thing happen. Okay. For everybody. Right. every American. I love America. This is home. I don't plan on leaving. So I want to make the best of it. So I want another American to have the best. So we can live the best American life we possibly can't. Is it true? You tried to be a pimp at one point in time? I try to get women to bring me money. They don't do it. Every guy should try to get a woman to bring him some money. Watch how hard

it is. Try to jump up in the air and stay there too. That's real hard. I like, as I as I shop through life, I take what I like. I have seen some nice dressers and you know that word that that definition has been you know it's been morphed yeah over time. It ain't, you ain't, you know, the old school, I'm gonna get some girl, beat her up and make her have sex with guys and bring me money. Right. No. I like, you know, I like looking good. I like, you know, jewelry and driving a nice car.

You know what I'm saying? If I look at a bum and a pimp, I'd want to dress like the pimp. You know, I don't want to, you know, none of the bad negative characteristics that go with that. They got shows that say, Pimp My Ride. Right. So they're not talking about, they're talking about making a bad car. look good. Right. So I like Pimp in that sense. Or

I like a good Bimp to me like a good businessman. You know, he's not a loser. He's making a profit. He's progressing. We say stuff like put it in my pocket. And a player in motion for progress. You know what I'm saying? But not

beating on women and whatever the typical definition was back in the day. You've been married before. Would you get married again? I'm gonna say no. Why? Because when you get married, you have to do your duties forever,

but she can stop being a white as soon as you get married. As soon as you get married, she can say, go in there and cook your dinner, your goddamn self. You punk-ass motherfucker. And I wish you would divorce me and give me all this shit. So, you got to,

keep on being a husband but she can stop being a wife and then it's to her advantage to be like this. If she don't have the right mentality you know, they have divorce parties now. They celebrate getting with a guy

and breaking up with him and breaking him. Yeah. Marriage is a low-key hustle. Yeah, marriage is not what it used to be. I mean like and then it's like this man, you know like You know, like if two people like each other, yes, they'll be with each other.

Correct. We don't need paperwork and strangers. People ain't standing together because of paper. They're standing together because they love each other and they're committed each other and they want to work and they understand that it takes work. I wanted to come to this show today. Yes.

You know, so I came. A girl want to be with you, she'll be with you. Right. If she don't want to be with you, you'll hear that voicemail. You're looking to the side of that bed. She ain't with you. Right. She's where she want to be.

So you can marry that paperwork. Right. But that spirit, a woman is a spirit. You can't own a spirit. She's moving around. You married what? You married and single at the same time. So she got to want to be with you.

And you don't need paperwork, strangers, and all of that. Either she want to be with you or she don't. And if she's with you, she's being nice. She's doing good. Fine, fine, fine. if she start tripping, she quit. But you got to keep going? Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Yes. So let's be nice to each other. You know? Yes. Are we done? You know? Well, I think you got to work.

I mean, I think the thing is sometimes people think, I've never been married, but I think sometimes people looking at it from afar and talking to people that's been married and been divorced, is that what they think, like, the marriage is the end all, okay, it's it now. But you got to keep working. You don't get a job and then get the quick. That's what I'm saying. Like, you got a want. I was thinking like, I got to want to be with a girl.

Like, I get with a girl. I say, hey, I'm not going to play too short while this girl is in the car. Right. She shouldn't play Beyonce while I'm in the car. Don't play something that's going to bring. You know, like, you're in the car? I'm going to go make a playlist. Right.

I'm going to go. And it's not just slow songs. I got sunshine. Right. I'm going to play something that's going to nurture our relationship. I'm going to keep doing it. I'm going to get another love. When I'm with you, I got to play love songs.

Yeah. I'm nurturing you. I'm going to wake up every day and I'm going to water this flower. You play a Bill Withers a lovely day, huh? Yes. Yes. You got to listen to them words. Just because it's slow, don't make it a love song.

You got to listen to them. They might be complaining and fussing. No, you don't need to be hearing that. You need to be hearing, you know. Yes, sir. So, yeah. So, you know, there it is. I say two people want to be together.

They'll be together. Yeah. And some people want to be together for six months. Some people want to be together for a year. 60 years. Some people, they really like to be. Yeah. And they're together.

You know, when you see these couples and they've been together so long, one dying than a couple of weeks later, the other one, they just, I can't live without them. I've been with this person so long, I can't live without that person. Right on. Right on. Right on. God, you know.

Yeah, man, you know, this and the other. Growing up in California, what would you say was the biggest difference between you growing up in L.A. and you growing up in spending some time in Hattiesburg, Mississippi? It's all the same, but just different. But then it's all the same in a way. Not too much. But in Mississippi, Alabama, it was okay.

to be, it was okay not to have on new stuff every day. Yeah. Ain't nobody have one new stuff in the country. Yeah. It was okay to be from another part of the ghetto. L.A. was

complicated. I never seen people piled up on top of each other like that. It's more space down south. Even the houses were more part. People have big, you know. Yeah, you ain't on top of each other. Man, L.A. everything's 's called comprised. parking car, everybody fighting over every little inch.

You know, the saying that you throw your dish water out, you throw them in somebody else's yard. Yeah, yeah. So, but L.A. had great weather. In my opinion, the L.A. people, you know, they spoke probably better standard English, you know, whatever. You know, we had southern accents and whatever. Back and forth, but I like the low riders.

I never seen rich black people until I got to L.A. I seen dudes with rings on chains. It was a trip. I ain't never seen it. Brothers with perms, longing than women, stroller down the street, Jerry curls and hopping low riders. And it was fascinating at the same time.

You know, like, you know, I ain't ever seen, I ain't ever seen, I mean, it wasn't the whole city, but, you know, you see, I ain't ever seen gang bangers or kind of mean black people, you know what I'm saying. You played football. Were you good at football? You know, I'm going to say, yeah. I ain't going to say no, you know, I should talk to Shannon Sharp, though, but, you know, I was a good. What position do you play? I played tight-in. Come on, man.

I'm not lying. I'm not lying. I played, I was number 83. I played, I played JV. I dropped out of the 11. So I played like JV, and I was tight-in. Got two touchdowns probably all right. That's it?

That's it. No football, no basketball, no baseball? I play basketball. I got one dunk. I got it. You could dunk? Back in the day. Not now.

I used to do a double pump backwards dunk. Come on, pro. I am not lying. I am not lying. I got some high school homies that are verified for me. Damn. Yeah.

So when you moved to L.A. from Mississippi, what was the nickname the kids call you? Because you probably got there around the time that movie came out. Yeah, you know, I hit, so like, we was in the sixth grade, and all the boys in sixth grade was naming their dick, you know what I'm saying?

So, like, the teacher walk out the room so there's one kid would go over there to the napkins. He got a whole bunch of them brown paper towel. And he stuffed him in his pants. He turned around to the class and he was like, Big Charlie! McClans died laughing. So

another boy go load his pants up. He, oh, Big D. So Big Joseph sounded kind of goofy. It was like a biblical character. So, you know, I'm sitting around. I'm sitting in this a library to the side of me. So I see

I see Joby Dick The Whale story. Right. So I thought I'd flip mine to Joby Dick, you know, so I stuffed all the papers in mind. I was like, Jobi Dick, there she blows. So like, so that was, we was all calling ourselves, Big Charlie,

you know, I was calling myself Jobby Dick, but I walk into a girl and just tell her my name was Big Jovey. or just Jovey. Yeah. You know, so I'd be chilling with all the boys. We'd be huffing and puffing and talking. Then my four girls walked by and they like, hi, Jobby.

And then I grabbed up like, yeah, y'all know what's up? So, yeah, that was my little corny nickname, you know, coming up. Being from Mississippi and going to L.A., that had to be. Was that a culture shock for you? Because I think, did they call you Kuketitay? Yes. Yeah, because I was, you know, I'm from Mississippi. Yeah.

A little smart-ass, little crack babies, you know what I'm saying? I was well-fed, you know what I said? I was smacking them around. I was too big for my grade and shit, you know what I'm saying? They put them L.A. kids in school earlier, you know, to Mississippi. So, you know, they had all kind of names for me. So what happened? When you was in Mississippi, you work, you hung chickens because you say chickens is a big commodity in Mississippi.

Yes, sir. So you worked on, like, I guess in Arkansas, it's called Tyson's, or I worked at the chicken plant. Yeah, it was a chicken. They had all kind of chicken plants in Mississippi. Sanders, from one. What's mine? Marshall Derby.

Yeah. Yeah. So what was you at the plant? Were you a deboner? Were you, you know, you, uh, they sent them through that hot-ass water to get a lot to get a lot of the feathers off. You don't have to do a whole lot. They moved me around wherever they needed me to be for that night.

You know what I'm saying? But sometimes I had, you know, sometimes we take the, you know, They put them through the plucker. Yeah. And then or whatever, then we come out, we put them on the little rap. It's been 26 years, I kind of remember, but it's been a minute. You started in Mississippi, so you go to California. Did you have, like, and you grew up in California, is that where the love, like, you're like, you know what?

This is what I'm really going to do. I'm going to do this rap thing now. Because at that point in time, now we got NWA and we got all the- Okay, so watch this. In Mississippi, them old blanche. black people down there made it a point not to play rap music. I better turn that mess. I don't get them little switches with the leaves at the tip.

They didn't play. But I got to L.A. Rap music had a whole radio station. Like, I didn't have to sneak it. I could just go in my room and just put on K-Day. And I was in the whole rap game. You know what I mean? Like, you know, world premiere stuff back then.

Greg Mac Mac Attack, Julio G., you know, all that good junk. You sold your CD A lot of people Go to the LA Swap Meet To sell CDs sell Lops days Clothing Bees, whatever the case may be Is that was your first introduction of becoming a hustler And understanding that

You know To do To get my music seen and heard I'm having to just roll up my sleeves And got to do it myself Yeah I was ready to I called myself I was like a quarterback Ready for the Flea flick

Okay You know I'm a I'm gonna run it myself. And then if the right company step up, boom, I'm gonna pass it off. Pass it, I'm going in for the touchdown. So I was hustling like that. And I started selling mine, like I made a rap song in the sixth grade,

but I made cassettes about my teacher in the eighth grade. Right. So I started selling them in school. Like I was selling my tapes in school. I was like a little school, MC, like. So you're in eighth grade. So that's when the dissing of the teacher, the Harry Carey, All that took place around that time, huh?

Yeah, Harry Carey was first in the sixth grade. Okay. And then later on, in seventh grade, I was just moving around and couldn't really get established. But in the eighth grade, I had something to write about, you know, when I had the teacher and everything. I made a tape in the eighth grade. I learned how to make a tape in the eighth grade, you know. Now, since you've been dissing folks for the longest, you understand about the disc the song. What is the greatest disc track ever?

Give me your top five disc tracks ever. Number one, I'm gonna say no Vaseline. Okay. Q. There's something I like about the bridge is over. You know, it's like he rudely took over hip hop. It's like he was wrong and nobody could stop it.

Right. The bridge is over. The bridge is over. And he was just like, I didn't even listen to MC Shan. that much, but I was already on Carus I was on Carus one side. I didn't even know. I play a little bit of MC Shan, and I

respected him and I wanted to buy his tape but I play a little bit, but like compared to Carus 1, just talking like BDP. Man, I just, you know, I had to catch Shan later. And I do respect to MC Shan because I do like a lot of his songs, you know what I'm saying? But that

I just thought like Carus 1 you know, he was doing that Jamaican stuff and it was old school. I can't put it over no Vaseline. because like no Vaseline, I'm from the West. Right. And I could just, I was just in that whole drama. I was just loving Ice Cube.

It's like he was getting ganged up on by five people. Everybody had a verse. Damn. What about a hit him up, Tupupac? Ether, Nas. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with, let's see, I like the Real Compton City Gs. You know, you know, you're doing a disc track.

All kind of distrax. I like Dre Day. Okay. But it ain't had easy doing the running man. But I do like Conta City G's. And, oh, damn, I almost forgot. I might have to move this up to round number three. And I love, I love MC8.

I love MC8. Okay. I love MCA. But? DJ quick. Like that damn whatever that was, that damn, I'm gonna shake it to the right and shake it to the left end. Damn, oh, that made me mad. Come on, help me.

It was the DJ Quick MC8 dish. I forget what he called it. Something about don't make dollars, it don't make sense. Dollars and stuff. Ouch. Ice cube first, and then, then. maybe DJV. I have to play Scramble, but play with them.

Them is some of the greatest disses in my opinion. Plus, I'm sipping on this, so I ain't got them in order, but... You got a song called Wack Rappers. You believe they're like rappers are not good, and the guy that you got on his lip, they're pretty good, man. I wrote that

a long time ago when I was giving my hip-hop music opinion. Like, I entered hip hop as a fan. Okay. I see, to me,

rap music was a verbal king of the hill. I've seen rappers not even exist until they dissed people. Nobody knew who Carist One was until he dissed MC Shan. Nobody knew who Snoop Dog was

until he just came in the dough. Easy, he can eat a big fad. Damn, holy, who is you? You know what I'm saying? So I was. was under the impression of this is how you, you know, and, you know, like after hit them up, you know, cats started meeting up and fighting and shooting. It got to the point where you could die for just trying to challenge another rapper to a sport. So in my younger day, you know, I got,

you know, I felt some kind of, I either didn't like the hip hop at the time or I got a condescending. transaction with him at a show somewhere to the point where. Drake is suing his label. Where are you on with artists? And then sometimes, you know, they're trying to get their masters back or they're saying misrepresentation, you stole something. A lot of people are surprised that Drake is suing the label considering that that was the big engine and Drake is probably the biggest, I don't think he's probably the biggest rapper.

in the world right now. It has been for at least a decade. Are you surprised that he's taking this step? To what, get his masters? No, I think he has his master, but he's suing it Universal. Well, I don't know the ends and out of his business deal, so I can't speak on the ins and outs of his business deal.

You were signed to Universal, right? Yes, sir. You had a six-album deal. Do you like being independent or do you like being signed to a label? I like being independent. What is it about independence? I can put out a record when I get ready. Right.

They got you on the timeline, huh? If that, they might not put you out. They might not like what you're doing. Oh, and keep you. And you just sign to them. You know, you just, you know, they might go on. They're messing with other people. You're just a piece of paper in a file cabinet.

Do you make more, but you have to do more work in your independent? Correct? Now, let me look here. There's deals. Every day you got to choose. Okay. You know, nobody, I don't regret signing with Universal. Okay.

They had more money than what I was making on the street. I was a thousand there. Right. But they had some million, so it was time to stop playing, brush off my knees and stand up. Like, okay. Okay. All right.

Now, everybody has exports. America has General Motors. You know, Sony, somebody sells Sony TVs and whatever. Everybody has exports. Well, my export is rap music. Yes. So I'm selling it to the highest bidder. I'm looking for the best.

I'm looking for the best deal I can get. And then it's like this. There's a good deal for today. that's not a good deal for tomorrow. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I'm waking up today. Give us this day our daily bread.

You know what I'm so? So in that day and time, it was a good deal. It was a good move. Right. Currently. Right. After I made that move and I did what I did and all the positive moves were made, there was nothing else to be done.

All the positivity was done. There was nothing else. It was on a decline from there. So it was time to move on. So there's a time to, I mean, if everything's good, then it's good. But, you know, after it's all said and done and they threw with you, and it ain't no more money, there ain't no more records, then I'm better off being independent now.

Right. You know, I was better on a label then. Right. But I'm better off independent right now. Now tomorrow, this evening, after this show, somebody might come in the apple, man, we got $8 million being signed this two-year deal. Now, it's better to make this move right now because I'm not pulling this independently. Right. You see what I'm saying? So yeah, you got to wake up every day and make a decision. Yeah, brother. Right.

Is there someone that you haven't worked with that you like to work with? Man, man, these days I'm a player. I want to work with everybody. That's reasonable. That ain't talking about, you know, killing babies and, you know, and drinking blood from the devil's neck and all kind of crazy stuff. I'm looking for, matter of fact, I like doing, I do songs with regular fans. Sometimes. time I say, hey man, today is $500 Friday. Send me $500 in the beat, you know. Because what I realize is it's more about passion than talent. I used to think it was about talent and not all that other stuff. You can have talent and people just don't like you because, you know, but then you can

have passion there by Biz Marquis. Yes. Can't sing any word. First and last rap tape my mama ever bought. When I grew up in a gospel home, no secular music. Yeah. Mom broke the rule one time and she bought Biz Marquis and he can't sing. Right.

But she felt his passion. She said, I love his song. He kept me up one night. I was falling asleep at work. She said, this song came on. She said, I laughed myself back woke. She said, I made my ship. So.

You tour with Snoop, dog. What's it like touring with Snoop? But you know, man, nothing but a G thing. You know, he's an icon. So it's a dream. You know, I got a picture. I met him as a fan. Right.

So, you know, it's what they call it three, a full circle to share the same stage when it it comes out and warm up the crowd. You know what I'm saying? So that's a, you know, that's a browning points for me. You outsmoke Snoot? You know what I'm saying? I'm going to tell you, yeah, because we all team, you know what I'm saying? You can't ask me in front of the world, Craig.

In front of the world. Yeah, I'll smoke Snoop Dog, you know what I'm saying. Snoop can't hang with the Afro money making marijuana smoking M-A-E. I saw you dance at one of your shows. What did the dance move you doing at the show? One is the old school 1987 Crip Walk. And then the other one is the running man. Then I got the reverse running man.

And then, you know, I got to pull some of my old. I'm so old. Old dances is new. Right. So if you hit them in front of, them young people, they ain't, they ain't seen that book, they were they was born 20, you know, they could be, they could be 26 years old.

Right. Born in 2000. So I hit that 1991, 80, fucking up. Like, oh, he went backwards with it. Thank you for talking about, is there anything you want to promote? You got an album coming out, you got a book coming out. Yes, yes, yes. My new album's out right now.

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