Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Amber Rose Part 1

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

Amber Rose On Kanye West, Joseline Hernandez, Diddy Parties, Taylor Swift, & Kim Kardashian In this episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe sits down with the one and only Amber Rose—a model, entrepreneur, activist, and media personality who has been a cultural force for nearly two decades. Amber opens up about growing up in South Philly, overcoming a tough childhood, and her early dreams of becoming an epidemiologist after witnessing the impact of HIV/AIDS in her community. Amber doesn’t hold back as she shares her struggles with homelessness, her early days stripping at 15, and her journey into the world of video vixens and modeling. She speaks candidly about falling in love with Kanye West, love bombing, and how Kanye styled not just her, but also Kim Kardashian and his current wife, Bianca Censori. Despite everything, she admits she still has a special place in her heart for Kanye and reflects on their time together. From her experiences in Hollywood’s elite circles to the harsh truth about the entertainment industry being purely transactional, Amber drops major gems about friendships gone wrong, co-parenting with Wiz Khalifa, and why she’s no longer a feminist. She also dishes on celebrity drama, from Cardi B & Offset’s public breakup to Draya & Jalen Green’s relationship. Amber also revisits the infamous 2009 MTV Video Music Awards, where Kanye West interrupted Taylor Swift’s speech to declare that Beyoncé’s Single Ladies deserved the award. She shares her thoughts on that controversial moment, calling it “crazy” that Taylor won over Beyoncé, and reflecting on her time with Kanye during that era. She also opens up about her struggles during the COVID-19 pandemic, including postpartum depression, mental health battles, and finding out her boyfriend was cheating on her during one of the toughest times of her life. Plus, Amber addresses plastic surgery, dating rumors, and wild industry parties, including what really went down at Diddy’s legendary events. She even gives her take on Drake’s criticism, Kanye’s controlling ways, and the entertainment industry’s biggest secrets. No topic is off-limits in this raw and revealing conversation. Tap in now!   #volume   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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When you see Kanye and his wife and you see how she's dressing, is that she's dressing like that or Kanye dressing her like that? Kanye's for sure dressing her like that. Yeah, he did the same thing to me and Kim the roller dice, that's why, all my life I be grinding all my life, all my life Been grinding all my life, sacrifice Hustle pay the price, want a slice Got the roller dice, that's why, all my life I be grinding all my life

Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shashey I am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proprietor of Club CheChe. And today we're at Spotlight LA. Stopping by for conversation and a drink today is a polarizing figure in the entertainment business for almost two decades. An unapologetic personality, a confident model, a bold businesswoman, a recognizable media figure, a multi-talented activist, actress,

influencer, TV host, author, and a mother. Here she is ladies and gentlemen, the one the only, Miss Amber Rose. Thank you for stopping by. I know you're very busy, a young lady, young mother, and I want to say thank you again for stopping by. Thank you for having me. I would like to toast. I know you don't drink much, but you told me, say, Shannon, I don't drink much, but I want to try this. I do. So to everyone rants and raves about this, by the way, to all your all you've done and all you'll continue to do. Thank you very much right here. God damn. You know, we're, I mean, I mean. Listen, if I drink that, you're gonna know all my business.

Yeah, okay, well then pour, pour, pour. Again, thank you for stopping by. Of course, of course. Born and raised in South Philly. Yes. Growing up in South Philly, what did Amber Rose want to be when she was a little girl?

I wanted to be an epidemiologist. OK. I had a, there was a guy in my neighborhood that was dying of AIDS in the 90s. And I didn't know what it was at the time. I would tell my mom. And I know this might sound crazy, but watching his body deteriorate over a month or so, I

became obsessed with HIV and AIDS. And I would be in my room and just think of being on the forefront of a cure. Those were my dreams and aspirations. And just being in a lab and people celebrating when I found the cure. Like that's the stuff that I used to imagine when I would just be in my room. And yeah, and I just, I was just obsessed with like infectious diseases

and I wanted to know everything about them. And still to this day, I mean, even when COVID came out, I was kind of excited because I was like, what is this? You know? Did you understand what I was like, what is this? Did you understand what AIDS was and how it came about? Not initially, no. But it was the fact that he was full of life. And then within two months, I mean, he was a young man.

And he had a cane. And I asked my mom, is this cancer? What is it? And then she told me. And I was like, what is that? It happened so fast that I just became fascinated with it. And you know, now in modern day, there's medicines and stuff like that, and people can live a long healthy life with HIV,

but you know, back in the 90s, it wasn't like that. Yeah, so I, yeah, I just became fascinated with it. That's how I was like, I to be like Dr. Fauci. You know? What was your fondest memory of your childhood? If you can go back and think about when you're being raised in South Philly, I don't know how many siblings, how many brothers and sisters do you have? So I'm the only child from my mom and then I'm 14 years older than my little brothers from my father's side. Okay. But you had, you obviously you had friends in the neighborhood. So what's your fondest memory of being in South Philly?

I would say. I miss. I miss being liked for who I am. I miss that because people gave me a chance back then and they were like, oh oh Amber's cool as shit, let's go play double dutch, or let's go to the park, or let's go hang out. And I just feel like nowadays,

it's just not that simple anymore. So I miss those times where life was simple, or like going to the corner store, I got a dollar, I'm getting a scratch off, I'm hoping I'm gonna win $20 so I can eat, you know, like get something good that day to eat and the excitement of actually wanting things and being around genuine people, that's what I miss the most.

You feel you get judged by the cover now, huh? For sure, like my persona and who I am as a person is completely different, yeah. You're nothing like what people, when people see Amber Rose, you're nothing like that. And who I am as a person is completely different. Right. Yeah. You're nothing like what people, when people see Amber Rose, you're nothing like that. I am the complete, I couldn't be more opposite. Yeah, I couldn't be more, I'm just a nerd. I like to learn.

I like to, I like to be around people that can teach me things. And I think I just got pigeon held into a persona that made me money to support my family. Right. You know. God, that goes. Obviously, you didn't have siblings, but did you have friends? Were you friendly? Were you like, were you a tomboy?

Were you girly girl? Did you have like, Amber's cool, let's go play with her, things like that? So what kind of like, what did you do as a child? Yeah, I was definitely loved. I feel like I always had a good personality. I'm very easy going. I'm a bit introverted, but I think like people think I come off as a bitch because I'm introverted.

When I do, like I came in here and I said hi to everyone. I am that person, but I only give the energy that people give me. So if I walk into a room and that energy is not positive, I'm probably just going to be quiet and just chill and not really say much but I definitely was loved. I had a lot of friends and I was a tomboy as well. I played softball. Okay. Yeah, I'm a softball girl. I would play wall ball with the boys, stick ball in the street with like the half a tennis ball. You know, just real East Coast street games with the boys and stuff. But I was always feminine, but I'll

play with the boys. Right. Yeah. So what? So how was your mom? How was was she a disciplinarian? Did she let you kind of like do what you wanted to do? What was the relationship, what was the dynamic between you and your mom? Well, it's tough because like my mom's mom committed suicide when she was 10. And so my mom suffered severely from anxiety and depression most of my life. And so, no, she wasn't a disciplinary. I feel like I became her mom at a very young age. And I had to raise her and say, mom, everything's going to be okay. It's okay to cry or how can I help you or what can I do?

So yeah, it's almost like I became a mom at a young age. That's what I was about to ask and I'm not trying to take a shot at your mom, but did you feel you had to raise yourself? 100%. I did. And I would say for many, many years I resented my mom for that. But as I got older, I understood that being 10 years old and seeing your mom commit suicide is definitely not easy to live with. My mom suffered. She suffered for many years. You resent the fact that you didn't really get a chance to be a child. You didn't get

a chance to do things that you saw a lot of the other kids your age get an opportunity to do because you were being there for your mom when normally moms are there for their kids. Right. Yeah. So like even when I had trials and tribulations in my life, I felt like that I couldn't burden my mom with those things. And I had to just suck it up and be a G and just deal with it,

because I already knew that she had a lot on her plate emotionally, that I didn't wanna add to that. And so I just would just internalize it or deal with it by myself. When you got to high school, were you a popular kid? Very, yeah. So you won like Superlatives, so most likely to succeed,

best body, wittiest, best personality. So you were like Superlative. So most likely to succeed best body, wittiest, best personality. So you wanted to win. So you were like you were that that it girl you were that girl. I definitely was popular when I got to high school for sure. My boyfriend was like the head of the basketball team. You know it was that vibe. Yeah. So obviously it's hard looking at you now aesthetically. Were girls jealous of you back then? I mean, yes and no. Again, I had a lot of friends. But like the culture in Philly, it's like,

I don't like your dress. I want to fight you. Damn. And then you got to be like, fuck, I got to fight this girl. Like, you know, or it would just be like, fuck, I got to fight this girl. You know, or it would just be like, me, you, three o'clock, you up. And then in school, you'd be like, it's 12 o'clock.

You just know you got to fight this at three. You know, and it's like, you know, so like, I never started fights, but I always had a fight like for no reason at all. I mean, you a girly girl or were you Tom Boy's girl? I was a girly girl, but I like sports. So I was around the boys a lot and the girls would be like, you know, they would think like their boyfriend or like somebody that they liked like me.

But mind you, I'm just like, I'm chilling. I'm not even thinking about boys and stuff in that way. I'm just having fun'm chewing I'm not even thinking about boys and stuff in that way. I'm just having fun and Playing sports and so why are you mad at me? Because he might have an interest in me. I got no interest in him be mad at him exactly story in my life Shannon And a my fault girl like I'm not you know Who's scoring big in the NBA this season you are with all the new ways to get in on the action at DraftKings Sportsbook an official sports betting partner of the NBA From the monster slams to dishing the rock to cleaning the glass

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grew up in foster care. His mom didn't really love him. He never knew his dad. Oh. And so when my mom got pregnant, he was like, I mean, the only option I have is to join the military. So he joined the military at 19 and they shipped my dad off. So most of my life my dad was gone serving our country,

but it wasn't an ideal situation because I was mostly with my mom taking care of her like mentally and emotionally. I was younger. How much do you know about your dad? Because you said like 19, your mom got pregnant, he goes to the military to help support you. So were you familiar with your dad? What type of relationship did you have with your father?

Yeah, I mean you gotta think, I'm 41 years old, right? So this is the 90s. So you can't just get on FaceTime when my dad's in Iraq. You gotta wait for a letter, wait till he can get to a phone to call me and hopefully I'm home. With the time difference, I might be at school, I might miss the phone call, whatever. It wasn't that easy to stay in touch with him,

but my dad loved me, he always loved me. It's just the circumstances were messed up, but me and my father are closer than ever now. Really? Yeah. Did your mom ever say anything negative about your dad, that he left and went to the military, that he wasn't there to help her with you, or did you understand the situation?

My mom spoke very negatively about my dad. Yeah, she did. Sorry, mom. This is my story, I gotta tell my story. And I love my mom, and again, now that I'm older, I do understand a lot more. Yeah, my mom would be like, that motherfucker don't come around,

he da da da da da, this and that. And now that I'm older, my dad's like, yo, I can't just leave Panama fighting with Noriega. I can't just get up and come. You know, it's a different time. And so now I do understand that dynamic, and I feel like maybe my mom didn't understand that back in the day, you know?

And maybe she understands it now, I haven't had a conversation with her about that, but for me, Shannon, I like to just move forward and just- Now look back. Let shit go. I don't want to dwell on all that stuff. I've had resentment towards my dad initially, then I had resentment towards my mom later, and I just feel like I've just been in survival mode my whole life, and I'm

tired. I really am tired because I become famous and I'm still in survival mode. Really? You know? So, yes, all the time, every day. I just, I mean, I just wish someday day I could just, I don't know. You seem tired. Take a break, yeah.

You've been fighting, you feel you've been fighting your entire life. Yeah. And you just want, I don't want to fight anymore. I had to fight girls when I was growing up. I had to take care of my mom. I had to fight, fight, fight, fight. Just one day I just want to, I just wanna decompress. Yeah, well imagine you're young. Excuse me, you're the only child. My stepfather was an alcoholic, so he would,

he would go on binges for weeks at a time, come back, and I would get, I grew up in a one bedroom apartment with my mom, one bathroom, we were poor. And I would get up you know, I grew up in a one bedroom apartment with my mom, one bathroom, you know, we were poor. And I would get up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom and he would just be drunk on the toilet, passed out. Just like that, and it's like, I gotta do what I gotta do

to get the out of here, you know? And I started very young thinking like taking the train up to New York, trying to make connections, trying to get signed to modeling agencies, just trying to do everything I can to make enough money to get out. So is this where the exotic dancing came in at? Yeah, absolutely. So I mean, I think you started at 15?

Well, yes, that was the first time I danced. I was 15 years old. And granted, my parents did not know that. Of course not. How do you pull that off? Because don't they normally ID? Or you just look very mature for your age? Well, I just went to the check-cashing place

and just got a fake ID. Oh. Like, it was just like, they giving out fake IDs, okay, I'm on my way. It was like, you know. But I'll be honest, I used to like, I used to like weigh crack rocks for this drug dealer. I'm not gonna mention his name,

but I used to weigh the crack and I used to put him in bags and he used to throw me money. But then I went to him and I'm like, I have to make more money. Because me and my mom became homeless, because my stepfather was a construction worker, but also an alcoholic. So he would- Can't miss too many Mondays or they're gonna let you go.

Yeah, so he would do estimates all around these neighborhoods, and then he wouldn't finish the job. Oh my goodness. You know, so then he would take the money and go get drunk or whatever. And we got evicted when I was like 15 years old, and I had nowhere to go, so I started staying at my friend's house, but then her mom was like, you need to put up some money for food.

And I'm like, I don't have no money. Right food. And I'm like, I don't have no money. I'm 15 years old, I don't have no money. So I would like, sometimes I would get like 50 cent or like a quarter or something. I'd go get a chicken wing for a corner, at the corner Chinese store, I'd get a chicken wing or something. Maybe some fried rice if I had like $1.50 or something.

Yeah, so we got evicted and then, Shannon, I tried to sell crack, bro. I tried, I did it for like two hours and I was so scared dealing with these people. Yeah, I can imagine. And I was like, yo, I cannot do this. I can't, I want the, like in my mind I'm like. You see the money. I'm in survival mode. I want them, like in my mind I'm like. You see the money. I'm in survival mode.

I'm trying to get out. I'm trying to figure my life out and I'm young. And I don't have no family, right? So, you know, then I ran into some girls and they were like, you're pretty. You can come make money over here. And it just was not my personality at all. And I just, I felt like, what else am I going to do?

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or wherever you get your podcasts. So let me ask you this. I had cash doll on, and she said when she first, I think she was in our teens also when she first started, what is the mindset that you have to get in to go do that? Cause she said, hey, I had to take a couple shots, get my mind right to know that all of a sudden I'm going to have to take my clothes off

in front of strange men. Taking your clothes off in front of your man is one thing. Taking your clothes off in a building, everybody watching is something entirely different. So what was the mindset that Amber Rose had to get in and say, you're 15, 16 at this time? What was the mindset that you had to go to to say, if I can do this? I didn't even think about it, Shannon.

I just knew that I had to make money to eat, get my mom an apartment and figure it out. I never drank, I never did a drug in my life to this day. I've never tried Coke, Molly. People would be like, how did you marry Wiz Khalifa and you never smoked weed? I don't smoke weed. I just was laser focused on making money.

And I don't know where Cash Doll worked, but where I worked, it was only topless. So it wasn't, I've never danced nude. So you kept the bottoms on? Yes, I always kept the bottoms on. So it was just topless. I was like, I mean, once you see a pair of titties, you've seen them all.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if you just get desensitized. Yeah, I was thinking you were up in that thing's butt ball. No, no, no, no, never. I've never danced nude, ever. No, never. So, yeah, so it's like once you get into the dressing room with the girls and everyone has their tits out.

Everybody walking around with, yeah. You're just, you become desensitized. You're like, it's really not a big deal. It's not like a huge reveal. Right. Where the guys are like, oh my God, it's, you know, so. Did you make a lot of money? You make good money.

I mean, so your first night working, you go in there, you're like, okay, I gotta do this. There is no other option. I don't have any family I can lean on. My mom really needs me to come through. You're 15, 16 years of age. How much money did you make the first night and were you hooked from that point on?

33 dollars, I'll never forget. 33? Yeah. You better go to McDonald's. I know, I know. 33 dollars? 33 dollars, yes. Well how much was the dance, a dollar, took a buck?

I didn't do no dances, I was too scared. So what? I was too scared, Shannon, I just was not that girl. I felt like I had to be there. Right. And I went on stage, and this was one of those, it was more of a gentleman's club than like a make it rain club.

Yeah, yeah. So the guys was like giving me little ones. Yeah, they took a buck, yeah, took a buck. I made $33. 33? Yes, I'll never forget the number, because I was like, oh, at least I get to eat. Yeah. Okay, you're like, okay, you make $33. 33? Yes, I'll never forget the number, because I was like, oh, at least I get to eat. Yeah.

OK, you're like, OK, you make $33. Now, that's not a big incentive, Amber, to come back the next night. I'm just saying. I can see if you made $500, or you made $250. $1,000, absolutely I'm coming back, $33. But somehow, you're like, I got to go back. Yes.

I even got jumps and everything at the club. For $33? Not that night. Okay. But I got jumped. So they took your money? Hell no, they didn't take my money. Okay.

No, they didn't take my money. So why would you get jumped? Because you were the prettiest girl in the club? I got jumped because there were stages, right? And you know, when you get called to stage, then you gotta go to the next stage, and a new girl comes up, and it's like a rotation. Yes.

So, this girl went up before me, and she was doing all these tricks and splits and stuff like that, and I was never that dancer. I was always very sensual and sexy. That's the type of dancer I was. So she got up, and I think they were like Africans, if I remember correctly, and they just had stacks and stacks and stacks of money at this one stage.

Shannon, they didn't give her a dollar. They didn't give this girl a dollar. So it was my turn to get on stage, and it was a tsunami. As soon as I stepped foot on that stage They get right It was crazy And she got mad at me What?

And she is so she Said she was bullying me and then we go into the dressing room and she's like Mmm, I want to think they better they cute just I was, I was like, girl, you're obviously talking about me. Like, just say it to me, right? I was in the Bronx. I was at Sue's Rendezvous at the time. And one of her friends was like, don't talk to her like that. And I'm like, oh, these are about to jump.

You know? And then I said, bitch, you know, you shut up. Because I felt like if I don't you know I'm from Philly if I don't do this. I can't come back and make money right I can't let these bully me right you know and then Yeah, they they wind up jumping me, but the girl that started everything didn't even jump in she we didn't even fight It was the it was her friends that jumped me. What was your stage name? Paris.

Coming to the stage all the way from Philly, let's give it up for Paris. You know I was Paris before Paris Hilton came out. I'm just gonna say that. Yeah, cause I was like, I'm gonna be Paris. So how long were you exotic dancer? So, oh God, probably five, seven years. Five years?

So you had to be making some good money. After a while I was, yeah I was. You was the girl that came back, they requested, man where's Paris, I'm looking for Paris. Exactly. So were you like, how many nights a week would you work two nights a week three nights a week five nights? I will work all the time sometimes. I'll do doubles sometimes. I'll do day shift really yeah I mean normally the girls at a day shift. They don't be like that

Exactly why I make money. Oh, so you also you know yeah, you're the baddest brick in the pile Oh, yeah, cuz you know like businessmen will come on their lunch break. Yeah. And yeah, I would make money. Mm-hmm. You get an apartment, you're doing well. Yeah. Did you know, like, I'm just doing this temporarily.

This is not going to, I'm not going to make this a career. So what was your thought process? So what was your, did you have an exit plan? I did. So I moved to New York. So what was your did you have an exit plan? I I did so I Moved to New York. Well, so when I shit I was going up to New York and I was trying to get signed to a modeling agency and was crazy Is that Channing Tatum?

Before he was famous. Okay, so we both weren't famous but he was like dating some girl that I knew and we all became friends or whatever and He was an exotic dancer. So I was like Chan. Can you get me some appointments up in New York? I'm tall I'm slim at the time So I'm like, can you give me some appointments at modeling agencies and a little bit. So I'm like, can you give me some appointments at modeling agencies? And he was like, of course. So I would go up there and I had hair at the time. And they were like, no, no, no, girl, you're never going to be a model. It's never going to happen for you. And make a very long story short. I went back to Philly and I was like, you

know, okay, I'm a pretty girl, but all the girls are pretty that are going up there. They're all beautiful girls. How can I stand out? And I went to the barbershop and I said, just go down the middle. I don't care. Just shave this off. Really?

Yes. You cut all those, I'm assuming because you're biracial, your father's white, your mom is black, correct? Yes. So I'm assuming because you're biracial, your father's white, your mom is black, correct? Yes. So I'm assuming and I... I have a lot of hair. Forgive me for being presumptuous. Those gorgeous locks, you just shaved them.

Shaved it off, shaved it off. And I say, you know what? Cause I used to put my hair in a ponytail, a low ponytail and look from the side. And I was like, it kind of looks like I have a nice shape head. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you definitely have the head

that you can pull it off. Thank you. So, you know, I took a gamble and I won and I got signed to Ford Models out of New York. But I wasn't a famous model. I was just, I just got signed. So I still wasn't like this famous model. I still had to work. Started to make money. I was sending money back to Philly for my mom. And

I just tried everything and then oh and then this lady comes in to Su's rendezvous and she's like, you should do music videos. Damn. And I was like, I'm a real model. I'm not doing music. No. Just my ego talking shit. And she was like, no, it's all expenses paid. And you get paid like $1,000.

And you get like a per diem to eat, and you know, get hotel and everything. So I was like, OK, I'll do it. And then my first video was Young Jeezy I put on for my city. for DM to eat and get hotel and everything. So I was like, I'll do it. And then my first video was a young Jeezy I put on for my city. Wow. Yeah, but I had hair

because I would wear hair to the strip club because when I modeled, I was bald headed. Oh, okay. So at what age did you cut your hair? 18. 18. And so this is kind of the look that you've had since you were 18? 22 years. Since you was 22 years. Yeah. You so this is kind of the look that you've had since you were 18? 22 years.

22 years. Yeah. You don't miss it? I do. You gonna let it grow back? You're not. Probably not. You know it's just like... It's your look now. I mean it's kind of like you see Amber Rose you expect to see the low haircut. I don't want to say bald head but you expect to see this look. Yeah, yeah. For sure. For sure. I want to say ball here, but you expect to see this one Yeah, yeah for sure for sure. I throw a wig on every day, but you know what? It's like I almost look worse with like it's so weird people recognize you with a wig They do they believe girls you don't take that wig off Okay, the lady comes in she says you know what you ought to do you ought to do

Music videos you're like I'm a real model. But anyway, you give it a try. You do it for $1,000 and then. Yes, so I do that and then she calls me back for another Young Jeezy video vacation. But again, at the strip club, I'm wearing a wig. So then she calls me back for a Ludacris and Chris Brown video, I Know What Them Girls Like. And I said, well, her name is Margo, shout out to Margo. I said, Margo, you know, I girls like and I said well her name is Margo shout out to Margo. I

Said Margo, you know, I got like this buzz cut underneath this wig. I've been wearing Do you think like maybe the next video I do like I could rock my short haircut And she was like video girls don't have short haircuts amber like it's just not a thing right and I said well Can I just send a picture? Maybe Maybe they might try it, you know? So she sends it to Chris Robinson, the video director, and he's like, yo, fly her out. And I became one of the main girls in that video. It was my first time in LA, so I was really excited. And that video is really what changed my life.

Wow. Yeah. I read you once got paid $100,000 for a music video. Is what changed my life. Wow. Yeah. I read you once got paid $100,000 for a music video. Is that true? No. What's the most you ever made in a music video? $25,000. Is that normal or was that excessive?

Well, I was already famous. I think Future gave me $25,000 for Mask Off. I think he gave me $25,000, yeah. And then I think I did Fabulous's music video, You Be Killin' Them. I think he gave me 25,000, yeah. And then I think I did Fabulous' music video, You Be Killin' Them, I think he gave me like 15,000. But really at that time I just thought it was cool, like they were like my homies. I'm like, y'all come through and do a video,

it's not a problem. Because you did music videos with Future, Nicki Minaj, Young Jeezy, Fab, Luda, Breezy, Kanye, Wiz, and Mary Mary. Two of these guys you end up, we gonna talk about that in a minute. What's your best experience in the music video? So just meeting the guys and like,

damn, they really cool. Yeah, I was very surprised with Future because he comes off very toxic. But like we have a scene where we're like in the car, like driving together and He's just a really nice well-spoken guy. I can see why girls date future Okay, cuz I'll like see it online and they'll be like girl you day in future You know how future but when I did this video with him, I was like, he's actually really nice

And you know my friend China dated him, right? But yeah, he's so well-spoken very professional Nice guy. What's the worst part of doing music videos? When I come on set, I'm very professional. I'm not drinking. I'm not doing nothing. I'm waiting for my turn.

I'm waiting to get called. That's just how I move. So I've always had a pleasant experience. So is there anything that people, if there are perception of music videos, that's not reality? What does the public don't get about music videos? I think it depends on the artist.

I'll be honest with you because again, Chris Brown, Young Jeezy, Future, Fabulous, they were all very professional with everybody that was there. So I didn't have a bad experience. I can't speak for other artists. I don't know what they do on set, but these guys were always great. I read, I don't know if it's true or not, that Nicki Minaj helped you get your following up by shouting you out, that you got gained like a ton of followers.

Yes, yes. I called her and I said, girl, I just signed up for Twitter, can you give me a shout out? And she was like, hell yeah. And then she did it. I was just at Nicki's house the other day. Wow.

Yeah, we're still good friends. So you got a cool relationship with her. Yes, yeah. Video vixens, that's the term that some of you young ladies get, you look at Melissa Ford and Karen Stephens and Buffy the Body, Gloria Velez, Black China, Eric Manana. Is that an enduring term or you like, nah, we just?

Well, that's a part of my resume. Okay. I'm not a video vixen now, but I was. I was, yeah. And it was a fun time. Really? Yeah, hell yeah, it was fun. Did you work with any of these ones that I mentioned?

I did not. I haven't had the pleasure, no. Wow. Would you do- They're a little before my time. Okay, okay. Yeah, I came after those girls. Oh, okay, okay, my bad.

Yeah. Ain't that old. No, just playing. No shade to the girls. Oh my God, I didn't mean it like that. I'm just saying that they're a genera- they're like with Cisco and like, I was still young with Drew Hill and Cisco and stuff like that. I was still young. Okay. I read that John Legend said that, I sat down with John Legend, as a matter of fact, in

this very building here, and it was talking about that he had a Shot a video. That's how he ended up meeting his wife Christy Teigen Obviously you went on a video couple video shoots and you ended up meeting your future partners Is that when you go on the shoe use like I'm keeping it professional. Yes, or you least you try to Is that the goal of some women, like going on these sets and maybe try to get with the guy that's? I'm sure women do that. I'm sure plenty of women do that.

That's personally not me, but it's crazy because you're referring to Kanye when I did his video. Yes. Okay, well, he flew me out to do Robocop video because he was like, you look like a robot, I think this would be cool. Right.

And I said, absolutely, I'll definitely, you're Kanye West, of course I'll come out and shoot the video. It would be an honor. And I come out and shoot the, I'm sorry, I go to LA and we're like hanging out that night, I meet him and he's on another video set. And I'm like, okay, so what time should I be ready

tomorrow morning, is the car gonna, you know, so I'm so used to like these, these, the other videos I've done before that. And he's like, nah, nah, just chill, we're gonna figure it out, I'll just, you know. So I'm like, okay, so then a day goes by, then another day goes by, we're going out to dinners. Uh oh.

We're going, we're going like, you know. You're doing everything but shooting the video. Yes, I'm doing everything but shooting the video. So I'm like, Kanye, you know, like, I only brought like one outfit because that's what I was used to. You fly in, you do the video, you have an outfit to get back on the airplane and go home.

He's like, you don't need no outfit. Don't even worry about it. I got you. So I'm like, OK. So then he's so then we go out to dinner and this is like the fourth, fifth day I'm there. And he's like, hey, do you want to? I know this is crazy, but do you want to I know this is crazy but do you want to come to the Grammys with me and I was like oh my god yes you know it's not fun so we went to the Grammys and then you know me I'm just

I'm so young Shannon I'm like are we still doing this video? Yeah, I did not realize I got flown out Hell I'm sitting here you tell the story I didn't realize you got flown Yes, I was so green I didn't realize that he really flew me out right because he saw me in the video right and For you know, cuz I'm hot and then he flew me out, but I didn't know. Were you at the video when he jumped on the stage with Taylor? Yes, I was sitting there. You called that?

I did not, I did not call that. But let me ask you a question, okay, day one go by, you're shooting a video, day two go by, he's like, bro, I understand we going to dinner and things, but bro, I need to make money. Did you ever, did you ever thought, hold on, I'm out here and he's like, bro, I understand we going to dinner and things, but bro, I need to make money. Did you ever think, like, hold on,

I'm out here and that's fine, I'm going to these nice restaurants, but I didn't put no money in my pocket. Well, you have to think, Shannon, like, it's still Kanye West. Yes. And he's very nice to me, and he's not being fresh with me or nothing.

Okay. He's being very respectful and nice. See, that's that 90s talk, fresh. Yeah. So like, he, you know, he was, he was very charming. So I was having a good time, but once I realized, you know, so anyway, we go to the Grammys. I called my mom. I said, Mom, Kanye invited me to the Grammys.

Like, I just, I'm flabbergasted. I don't know. Like, she's like, baby, just go, have a good time, blah, blah, blah. So little did I know, the same day I called my mom was the same day my aunt died, was my favorite person in the whole world. It's my mom's sister.

And she died of an overdose. But, so I called Kanye, because I'm at the hotel, and I guess he's at home, and I'm like, I'm sorry, I have to leave. I have to go back to Philly. My aunt died. And he was like, I'll go with you. I'll come with you. I don't care.

Whoa. And I was like, I'm like, Kanye, you can't come with me because the funeral is going to be all about you being there. Let me just go handle my stuff I'll just call you and he's like, okay, okay, so I go and I go to my aunt's funeral and He's checking on me every hour Shannon Every hour he's checking on me and mind you this we didn't have sex. We didn't kiss. We didn't hug We didn't do nothing like I flew out to do a music video and he's taking me out to dinner. But that was about it.

So, long story short, the funeral's over, a couple days go by, he calls me, and he's just like, I know this is crazy, but like, you should just come out here and just be with me. Just move to LA and just come and be with me. Like I've been thinking about you every day. Wow. And I just think we should try it. And I'm like, well, I gotta go back to the Bronx and get all my stuff out of my apartment.

He's all that stuff. I'll get you all brand new stuff. You don't need nothing. So I left all my stuff in the Bronx. I left everything I have. And he got me everything brand new. Somebody got some good stuff up in the Bronx, huh? Yeah, they got some cool.

That ain't as cool as Kanye. That's how they do it, huh? Yeah, Shannon, I did not know. I just did not know. So when people are like, oh, Kanye found her at the strip club. He didn't even know I was a dancer until I went back to LA to be with him. I was like, by the way, I was dancing and he was like, I don't give a shit about that. Like I just

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So he was very charming. That's why I fell in love with Kanye because he was really amazing at the time. Wow. Yeah. So Kanye, so first dates. What's, give me a kind of like a timeline, like a first date, how it should line up. Okay, I see somebody, you see somebody.

Because studies say now nobody asks anybody on a date in person. Basically it's DM. So annoying. It's, you know, it's third party hey, my homeboy or my homegirl saw you and they wanna know, can they get you, give me your IG, nobody's passing out no numbers anymore, hey, you can hit me on IG, things like that.

So if someone were to ask, and I don't wanna be disrespectful, so if you're in a relationship, I apologize. I'm not, I'm very much single. Okay. I'm fine with my DMs. I'm just saying. So what's the best way to go about asking Amber Rose out of a date

Just ask me I might actually say yes because no one talks to me ever really and that's the thing, you know People be like, you know, how did Nick Cannon get Mariah? And it's like, he got Mariah because he actually asked her and he wasn't intimidated because she was Mariah Carey. You know, and you got to think somebody like a Mariah or even even me, I know I'm not Mariah. I don't want to say, but they just are so they're scared of the rejection yeah that so many months go by where no one tries to talk to us and then we're just what's wrong with me just so you like a confident man you like a man to walk up on you say excuse me I take you to lunch?

Can I take you to dinner? Oh, sure, you better stop. I'm just saying. You know I like to climb trees. Lord, have mercy. You better get me in trouble. But you like a man with confidence that's not put off because there's not, I feel comfortable in saying this,

I don't think there are very many people that's gonna walk up on you and not know who you are. But a lot of times people get intimidated by the men that you've dated. She dated Kanye, she dated a weird, she dated Sam. And so they like automatically. Yeah. So let me ask you a question.

You cool with a dude that's not on that level? As far as what, like either famous or financially? Yes, I mean obviously, look, you're doing good for yourself. I ain't gonna be with somebody that ain't doing as good as me. I need you to be doing at least as good as me, if not better. Better is better.

But I'm saying, could it be someone that's not famous, quote unquote? Of course, yeah, they don't have to be famous at all. But they have to be rich. They have to be rich, for sure. So you go out, so how's, because it's interesting to see because you think you, how I would talk to someone that's not famous versus someone that is famous, you're trying to like, okay, when in actuality, this is still a woman,

and they like pretty much a lot of the same things. So I can have a normal, a guy can have a normal conversation, correct? Right, right, exactly. So there was this guy, it was like two weeks ago, he went to his manager and asked about me if his manager knew someone that knew me to get in contact with me, right?

You're doing too much, bro. So he did all that. So I finally get on the phone. I'm like, why didn't you just DM me? And he was like, I just feel like you got so many DMs. You ain't gonna see me like that. And I said, I have no DMs. My DMs are so dry. Men are terrified of me, Shannon. Even when I go on dates, like their hands shake and I'm just like, why? I mean, I don't know.

Are you okay? Because the thing is Amber, the thing that people I think sometimes they're like the publicity, what comes along with Amber Rose. Are you okay not being dating publicly? I prefer that. Okay, because you know you date publicly, you gotta break up publicly. Yeah, I've made those mistakes throughout the years. I'm not even concerned with that anymore. But when guys lie to your DM,

I mean, do they like, I would like to get to know you, how do you differentiate, how do you like, okay would like to get to know you, how do you, how do you differentiate? How do you like, okay, you serious? Oh, you mad, you want some bull jobs and so forth and so on. How do you, how do you determine what you gonna entertain and what you gonna mark the red? Well, I'll know based off the first conversation

on the phone, if you're stupid. I'm very attracted to, like, I'm attracted to articulate, smart men that have like a soothing energy, but still very masculine and strong. I need all of those components to make me feel safe around you. So if I get on the phone with you and you're like, yo, what up, shawty, what up, I'm gonna be like,

this ain't it. It's not it. It's not it. You mentioned like you want someone that's obviously financially secure. So what about 50-50 relationships? You ain't trying to hear that. Bruh, you ask me out, come on with it.

Yeah, especially on a date, I'm not paying for no date. I'm not paying for no date. Okay. I'm not paying, like if I'm in paying for no date. I'm not paying for no date. Okay. I'm not paying, like if I, if I'm in a committed relationship with someone, why do I have to pay the bills? That's insane. I mean, I'm not, so no bills? I'm not, I'm saying like-

I mean, I can pay for my cell phone bill because it's like already like set up. Like I'm not going to be like, let me take my credit card off and put yours on. I'm not an a**. Okay. I'm not gonna be like, let me take my credit card off and put yours on. I'm not an a**. But, you know, I mean, just realistically, I don't even know how that would work. I've never experienced that, let me just say that. Have you ever paid for a date? Have you ever taken a guy out and paid for his date?

Brought the meal, the check came, and you're like, babe, I got I got this or if it was my man Yes, okay for sure. I'll do that. That's not a problem But if it's just a date and I'm getting to know the person no Do you want to share bank accounts or you okay? Like you got your own? I got my own I know you're gonna take care of me like that or do you need to be have a you guys need to Have a joint bank account even if you if you're married I understand that cuz I think everybody if you're married have a joint bank account. Even if you're married, I understand that, because I think everybody, if you're married,

have a joint bank account, you got your bank account, I got my bank account. But what about just dating? We're not married. No, I don't want to see, that's too invasive. Yeah, I don't need that. Okay, I like it. Yeah, I don't need that.

Marriage, you want to get married again? If I find the right person, but I'm not. Kids, you want more kids? Do I want another baby daddy is the question. Because you told me you, I think you want a girl, right? You got two boys? Yeah, I want another boy. What about a daughter?

You don't want a little Amber? I'm good. You afraid she might be like big Amber? You know what, I'm actually, I love my boys. I'm a very much a boys mom. So I'm so used to that, that I don't even know what I would do with a girl. You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. But I would have to get a surrogate because I was telling you before we started. I have tears in my spinal cord from pregnancy. Right.

So I have to get epidural steroid shots and stuff. And once I get those, I'm running around like a teenager. I'm good. But to go through that again with my body and carrying a baby in my body, I cannot go through that again. Oh, OK. Yeah. Gifts.

What's the best gift you've ever received? I don't get gifts, Shannon. Man, stop this, Amina. See how you keep putting on? We were doing good. I thought you was courteous, receptive to courtesy, and now you gonna tell me ain't nobody done bought you no gifts.

They don't buy me gifts. They don't buy me gifts. They don't buy you no gifts anymore, or they have never bought you gifts? I never really like, I never, like men have taken me shopping for sure. I go shopping. But as far as like I was thinking about you

and I got you this, no. Really? No, I'm telling you, you know, when I was at home and I was thinking about this interview, I'm like people are gonna think that I'm a liar. Yes. but I really just always had bad luck. Like I just feel like my whole life has just been bad luck and I had some cool happen, but

for the most part, I don't know. I just never really had I mean, maybe a Christmas gift. I don't know, no. I see girls on Instagram and it's like, my boyfriend just bought me a G-Wagon. I'm like, I never got that, ever. Wow. Yeah.

That's what, but how would you feel like, or you start dating? Because I think, you know, once you start leading with money, there's an expectation that that's the continuation and that's the way it should be. So, I mean, so what's your expectations? You get to do- But I don't lead with money, there's an expectation that that's the continuation and that's the way it should be. So, I mean, so what's your expectations? You get it? But I don't lead with money, Shannon.

No, I'm saying they lead, you don't lead with money. I don't expect you to, but I'm saying if a guy. Oh, I hear what you're saying. Yes. I understand what you're saying. Yeah, well, here's the thing. I won't just date a man because he has money. Okay.

If that's the case, I could have been married a billion Yeah already I need to want to have sex with you. Okay, I need to want to snuggle up with you I need to want to Not eat until I eat with you. Okay, that's what I love. I'm a lover girl You know if we're watching a series, I'm not gonna watch the next episode without you You know, if we're watching a series, I'm not finna watch the next episode without you. That's the type of person that I am.

So I can't just be with a guy just because he has money. It has to be a full package, which is why I've been single for the past two years, is because I just won't settle. I just won't settle for something that's not genuinely gonna make me excited. Well, I mean, it's not like you got a wheelhouse type of guy. I mean, Wiz is 6'4", you got Kanye a little shorter.

I mean, you'd be- I'd date a white man, I'd date a black man, I don't care. I don't really have a preference in looks. Okay, damn. Yeah, I don't. I like Korean men too. Like I like the, yeah, like the, um, the K-pop.

They're like cute. What athletes? I don't know about any of that. You dated an athlete before? I dated... One was an L. I don't want to talk about. But... You caught an N.

I was going through a divorce. It don't count right But I did a Monte Morris that was my boyfriend for a while We're actually still very close and I'm close with his family and stuff like that But as as friends we haven't been together for a very long time. What about football player? Yeah, then the football guy. No, what's wrong with them? They're a little What's wrong with them? They're a little, you know.

Guys, I'm sorry. I tried. I tried to get y'all in, but she's like, y'all crazy. No, it's okay. So it's not that. It's like, you know what, Shannon? I'm going to be honest with you. If I get on the phone with you and you try to love Bombi and then all you talk about is is sex, I'm gonna block you very early on in the conversations. And I feel like with a lot of athletes, they're very sexual all the time, and it's like, can we just chop it up and laugh? Can we just go to the movies and out to eat? Like, just like men have groupies, I have groupies too. Yeah, for sure. So when it gets too convenient and too easy, Like, just like men have groupies, I have groupies too.

Yeah, for sure. So when it gets too convenient and too easy, I'm turned off. It's too accessible for me. Okay. I'm not the average girl. So when it's too accessible and you just slinging it all over the place, I'm like, it's not,

I don't really want it. Yeah. You know? Okay. Yeah. So that's your red flag Yeah, just like I just want to I want to see you. I want to do this and I'm like God what's your last name? Where you come you got kids what's going on? What do you wish your hobbies? I don't you like talking about having sex with me. You don't even know me so weird I Deal first day. Okay, I mean another sip of this

Goddamn, all right. Hey, what's up? Oh We doing this You pick up. Hello. Hey Amber, how you doing? This is Shannon. Oh, hey Shannon. How you doing boo? I was wondering if you're free tomorrow night. I want to take you to dinner. Just want to get to know you. Just feel you out, nothing heavy, nothing major, no strings attached.

It's not like this is a committed relationship or anything like that, but I just wanna get to know you and see if we can vibe. I'm actually free tomorrow, I would love that. What time? I'm on my way right now, but I'll pick you up tomorrow. So, so, okay, guy calls. I'm easy, I mean, you know, but I'm not easy in that way, but it's like, if I'm available, sure, I'll go on a date.

What are you like? So what's a, you on dimly lit, okay, you cool, you wanna be off in the back room somewhere. What's an ideal evening for Amber? Great conversation, eye contact, not talking about sex at all. It's gonna turn me off. What are your dreams and ambitions, or what were they, not talking about sex at all. It's gonna turn me off.

What are your dreams and ambitions? Or what were they, like you asked me earlier when you were a kid, I just wanna get to know you. I wanna feel a closeness to you, where it makes me be like, damn, I'm thinking about him the next day, I wanna see him again. Yeah, yeah, I like that. You know?

So it's like. Y'all can see that with me, that's what y'all need to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that. You know? Yeah, yeah. Y'all can see that with me. That's what y'all need to do. Yeah. I want to be like, I want to wake up the next day and just be like, that was so nice. I wonder what he's doing later. Right. Hopefully, I sure hope he asks me out again.

Yes, yes. Have you? But Shannon, hold on, before you say that. Okay. These men out here are princesses, okay? They wanna be the princess. Really? They want you to text first.

They want you to be like, babe, I'ma take you out. They want you to call, I'ma take you out, boo. They want you to be the man in the relationship. Really? It's so bad out here. It's so terrible. You don't know how many people I blocked.

Like, I can't take it. And these are really, I mean, I'm not going to name-drop, they're really successful guys. Just stupid. Just, they want to be catered to. And it's like, I'm old school. But Amber, it's okay if you call. It's okay, it's like, hey, are you. But Amber, it's okay if you call. It's okay is like, hey, are you?

And I do. Okay. I do. Because some of y'all be doing too much. I'm not toxic. No, but I'm saying, I should have to call all the time. No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying, what I'm saying is, is that these men nowadays do not take initiative

like men do. If me, you were talking and you text me and I'm on my phone, I'm not gonna be toxic and be like, let me wait, I'm gonna let him wait 10 minutes. Okay, see they be doing that though. I'm not doing that dumb, I'm too old for that. If I'm on my phone and you text me,

I'm gonna be like, hey boo, what you doing? I'm gonna text you right back. I don't care about looking thirsty and all that. If I'm excited, I'm gonna show you that I'm excited. And I want the same in return. Okay. I like that. Yeah.

Hold on. Is it true that you make men get tested before they sleep with you? Yes. Well, I'm protected. Oh, yeah. Yes. Every time.

And they cool with that? They're like, okay. Yeah. But they not gonna do it? They're gonna do it. Yeah Hey, as a matter of fact, I'm coming with it then you go right there Exactly what age did you start do what what what again I I watched My neighborhood friend died of AIDS. Yeah, so for me, it was very close to home And I wanted to be epidemiologist. So for me, it was very close to home. And I wanted to be an epidemiologist.

So I studied STDs. And I was obsessed with like, bacterias and stuff. So for me, it's like, you're not finna play with my life. I don't give a f*** how cute you are. Wow. What's the wildest thing you've ever done in a relationship? I regular Megan Fox, I think she drank like, some of Machine Gun Kelly's blood and

you saw Angelina Jolie did this with Billy Bob Thornton. What's the wildest thing you've done in a relationship ever? I'm not a wild girl, Joseph. Huh? I'm not. But why people have that perception of you? You know they do that. I don't know.

Ask my assistant Joseph. He's been with me for 10 years. I have no skeletons in my closet. I'm not into devious sex. I don't like eating coochie. I'm not into threesomes I don't I I'm a very traditional girl. I don't like none of that extra. I don't do drugs I don't get drunk. I'm very square. I'm just not that person. Oh, so you like a basket you like one-on-one I like one-on-one

Give me that give me that, give me that, see y'all. That's frowned upon nowadays, cause if girls say that, it's like, oh she ain't gonna bring no b**** home. I'm not bringing no b****es home, y'all. I'm not doing it. Don't ask me, don't bother me with that s***, or just leave me alone.

Right. It's not my thing. You spin the block? No. Once you're done, you're done. I'm done, you're done. I'm done, yeah. I hold grudges too. Really? Yeah, I do.

Why? I'm just not a forgiving person. What if you're the one that messed up? I don't mess up. I'm an overachiever. I do not mess up. Woo! You go through my phone. If you're my man, you got my password.

I don't got nothing to hide. Damn. Yeah. Shannon, men don't cheat on their barber. Why you want to cheat on me? Damn, I ain't looking at it like that. You ain't got to, damn, I ain't looking at it like that. Y'all heard that?

You don't cheat on your, you don't go to the barber and he can be cutting you every 10 years. All of a sudden, step out on him and let somebody else cut it. They don't do that. Why you cheating on me for what? Why do I have to tolerate that? Ooh, woo, damn. I like it.

What are you doing with that shit? What have dating in LA taught you? Uh. It is a nightmare out here. Really? It's a nightmare. Yeah, I saw on Instagram the other day, they said LA is the worst place in America for dating.

I can believe it. Yeah. Cause there's a lot of pretending Amber. There's a lot of pretending on both sides. I'm somebody that I'm not. I have something that I'm not. I'm going someplace I'm not. And so everybody is lying to each other.

And then when you get together and you finally catch up, like, bro, sis, you been lying this whole time. You ain't none of what you said. It's sick out here. It's sick. If you live here, I mean, so you gotta, if you gonna get bad, you gonna have to. I live here by default because my kids are here

and they're so young. If I didn't have my kids, or if I didn't wanna go go through all this with my baby Daddies, I would leave I would go to I would go to Dallas or something. I thought you go say Houston What do you think people cheat They're insecure If you cheat you're insecure because all you have to do is say hey listen I Care about you, but I'm not happy,

so I wanna go over here and try this. It's really not that hard. Yes, you might shatter someone's heart, but at least you're being honest. So when you cheat, you're trying to find validation somewhere else because you can't face what you got going on in your life. Just be honest.

So transparency is big for you. It is the only thing. If you betray me, I'll never talk to you ever again. Never? Never. Have you ever cheated? Never. Not on any boyfriend I ever had ever in my life,

I never cheated. I'm not a cheater. I mean, you don't drink, you don't smoke, you ain't out here trippin'. What is it? What is it? I would've thought you'd have been married with my four, five kids by now.

Men are terrified of me. Why are they terrified of you? I don't know. I mean, you're a man, tell me. I don't know. I don't know. I think they're intimidated by my persona. Yeah, I believe it.

But if you get to know me as a person, you'll be like, yeah, she cool as hell. I'm really just a South Philly regular girl. I mean, you came in here, you're like, hey, how you doing? Nice to meet you. Thanks for having me. I appreciate you coming out to do this. You are very courteous, very receptive to courtesy.

Yeah, but I can see, because I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, wow, OK, she's a very attractive woman. I mean, I see her. When you see someone, I was telling you this off camera. I say to see someone on television, and you're thinking you're never going to see this on television and you think you're never gonna see this person and all of a sudden you meet this person, of course I had a perception of what I thought you would be.

You're nothing what I thought you would be. Actually sitting here talking to you off camera, not talking to you on camera. So I can see why men that see you, and I like to think I'm kind of successful, but a normal person, yeah, they would be very intimidated by you. Yeah, and it happens, but you know,

girls like me are probably the most loneliest, for sure. How do you know someone is cheating? Have you caught someone cheating? You go through his phone, you follow him out, you put, what are the air tags? I think that's a thing. So how have you caught? I will, I listen him out, you put, what are the air tags? I think that's a thing. So how have you come? I will, I listen.

You're gonna tell your secrets? I'm a real South Philly. I used to pull up. I will pull up, I'll do all that stuff. I'll bust out windows. Come on, Jazz Massella, you're busting the windows out of somebody's car. I swear to God.

Like, that was Amber back in the day. Okay, okay. Now, I have an intuition. I'll, like that was Amber back in the day. Okay, okay. Now, I have an intuition. I'll know like that. And I'll just be like, get the fuck out of my life. I don't tolerate, why? Why tolerate? I have my own money, my own children,

my own house, my own car. Why tolerate and betrayal? If you can sit there and lie to me, you're not my friend. And in a relationship, you have to be friends with someone first before anything. Right. You know? So if you're not my friend, why are you in my life? For what?

Wow. How do you repair a broken heart? It's time. Because they say the mind replays what the heart can't delete. That makes sense. Yeah. The mind replays what the heart can't delete. That makes sense, yeah. So when you're in a situation and you're with someone for an extended period of time,

and not saying it's betrayal, and the thing is, Amber, and what I tell people, breaking up with someone is easy if you're the one that wanted to do the breaking up. The hard part is when you want to be in this relationship and the other party doesn't. That's the hard part is when you want to be in this relationship and the other party doesn't. Yes. That's the hard part.

Yeah. How do you start to mend when you've been interwoven with this person for an extended period of time, two years, five years, seven years, 10 years, how do you untangle that? I mean, I go to the gym. That's all I do. I get up every day. I know it sounds superficial, but the only thing that can heal that is time. Getting up under somebody else is not gonna help.

Sitting at home and crying about it is not gonna help. It's not gonna change nothing. But if you go and you get active and you stay busy, time will go by and then, you know, things will get better. This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two is also posted and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listened to part one on. Just simply go back to club Shae Shae profile and I'll see you there.

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