Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Andrew Schulz Part 1

Episode Date: March 12, 2025

In this episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe sits down with comedian Andrew Schulz. Known for his sharp crowd work and unfiltered takes, Schulz built his career outside the mainstream, selling out Madison Square Garden and reshaping comedy distribution with his independent approach. With multiple successful comedy specials and millions of podcast downloads under his belt, Schulz is regarded as one of the most influential voices in modern comedy. Schulz discusses his journey from struggling on stage to finding success. He talks about pushing boundaries in comedy, addressing controversy over his jokes about trans athletes, James and Fuad’s jokes about Black women, and Ryan Clark’s criticism. He responds to Dave Chappelle mentioning him on The Joe Rogan Experience and breaks down the influence of Patrice O’Neal, Eddie Murphy, Bernie Mac, and Chris Rock on his style. He shares his thoughts on Kanye West, his wife, and working with Charlamagne. He talks about viral internet exchanges and Ocho Cinco’s enhancement surgery. He also recalls using his signature basketball move on Jay Williams. Schulz weighs in on Katt Williams exposing competitiveness in comedy and how Joe Rogan’s generosity helped his career. He talks about people loving to hate Tom Brady and Michael Jordan, joke theft in stand-up, and the making of his Netflix special Life. #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Cheche I am your host, Shannon Sharp I'm also the proprietor of Club Cheche And today, we're at Spotlight LA Stopping by for conversation on the drink today He's taken the comedy world by storm He's one of the most daring and dynamic voices on the planet today. He's widely recognized for his no-hold-barred styles of stand-up, straightforward humor and razor-sharp wit.

He's praised for testing boundaries with his writing and his approach to device, most, the most divisive topics. He pushes the limits on stage, on screen, online, reshaping and redefining the landscape. He's known for his fearless crowd work, wild after-cuff interaction and cutting-edge commentary. He draws some of the most diverse audience among any working comedian. Globally and nationally recognized as selling out arenas, Madison Square Garden, The Forum and TheCrip.com arena on back-to-back nights. A pioneer in direct-to-fan content distribution, the has one of the most watched comedy specials on YouTube He's been the most viewed comic on YouTube twice

He's also went number one on the Billboard comedy album charts iTunes Apple music Amazon angle globe Google Play He's renowned for being social media savvy and a marketing genius a top-tier talent actor podcaster director producer Host businessman creator who isn't afraid of controversy, unfiltered, unapologetic, unabashed personality. Some call him the people's champ. He lives by the saying, everyone gonna get these jokes, Andrew Short. Wow. That is, bro. That's amazing.

That's you, bro. I watched you do Gillies. Yeah. And I just seen him get so excited with that big hat during it. That's amazing. That's you, bro. I watched you do Gillies. Yeah. And I just seen him get so excited with that big hat during it. And I was imagining what I was going to walk into. And that is pretty awesome.

Thank you. I feel great. When you hear all of that, what are you thinking? I'm just embarrassed if I'm going to be totally honest. I just, yeah. It feels great. It feels very cool. But it's, yeah, that's so cool.

You know what? You got me off guard here, man. Well, you know, I'm rarely off guard. Really? Yeah. This is my personal cognac. I know. I'm gonna congratulate you on the Netflix.

That's out now. Thank you. Bro, you doing it. You doing it, man. I'll try. Cheers. Ooh, that's good. Want to take another?

Yeah, let's take another one. Oh, he wants me to talk some shit today. I'm not talking about eight comedians. I'm not talking about eight comedians. All comedians are great, all of them. We love all comedians, okay? Who we talking shit about? Whoever you are, Q.

Okay. So how you feeling today? I feel good. You feel good? Are you like. Okay. So how you feeling today? I feel good. You feel good? Are you bigger now or when you played? Now. I don't have, I mean I played at 228. I'm about 245, 250.

250 now. Yeah. Jesus Christ. I don't have to, I have to. Are you on anything, peptides or anything? Like, you look magnificent. I work out, I eat. You better.

I work out what I eat. Yeah, if you didn't work out I would shoot myself right now. I work what I eat. Yeah, if you didn't work out, I would shoot myself right now. I mean, it's unbelievable. It's kind of crazy, right? Well, I've always been in shape. You know, growing up, how I grew up, you and I was talking off camera earlier, growing up on a farm.

I mean, your story, it's just so unbelievable because I was telling you before, I was like, I'm researching you, like, your life. At first start, obviously, I watched the beautiful speech that you before, I was like, I'm researching you, like, your life. At first start, obviously I watched the beautiful speech that you gave that was for your recognition, but you made it about everybody else in your life. Which I thought was a really beautiful moment. And usually only happens when somebody feels really full.

You know, when we feel full, we can have the excess and we can give it to those people. And like, making that moment about them, I thought was just incredible, that was awesome. I got a little emotional, I'm not gonna lie. And just watching your brother exhale through his mouth, there's that moment where he just goes, he's like, I'm not about to cry

in front of all these people right now. I won't cry. Yeah, it was beautiful, it was great. I appreciate that, man, thanks for joining us. Yeah, of course. Check this out, I read on Instagram when a fan said, you're one of the last people on earth who can be counsel or never counsel when you hear comments like that Given your approach to comedy. Yeah, what do you think? What goes through your mind when you're stuff like?

I don't know. I like what is being canceled anymore. What do you think being counseled? Well, almost got canceled when you were doing the porn or I know What really happened? Can I get like the off screen of that? That was it. Was it just you two on the bed just going like this and not even having sex?

No. I need the security cam footage of you just being like, hey, pant harder. Pant harder. You know what? I wish that had never happened, but you know. No, you don't. That shit was amazing.

No way. Was it embarrassing for you? Hell yeah. Really, why? I've never been on IG Live. That show is amazing. No way. Was it embarrassing for you? Hell yeah. Really? Why? I've never been on IG Live. That was the embarrassing part?

No. I mean, think about it. The first, think about it. Your first foray into IG Live, and that's what you get. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't think that that would be what's- No, I mean, look, I'm a very private person. And for me to be putting my family in that situation, because now I'm a type of guy,

I don't like anybody to explain anything for Shannon. Because now you ask my sister, you ask my brother, you ask my kids, they have to offer an explanation for Shannon. Got it. Shannon's a grown man, a grandfather also, so I should be able to answer questions for myself. I think you're a granddad?

Yeah. Oh my God. About to be two time granddad, my son's about to have a child. Good for you. Why are you coming? So it was embarrassing. It was very embarrassing. I mean, look, first of all, I'm ondad, my son's about to have a child. Why you come? So it was embarrassing. It was very embarrassing.

It was tough. I mean, look, first of all, I'm on the Disney. I worked for the company that got the mouse with ears. But we were rooting for you. I just. No, we weren't. Everybody tuned in because we wanted to see the work. You know what I mean?

We were like, I think Shannon putting that work over here, dude. I did. I quit at the 50-year-old really quite well. Let me ask you this. Why are you comfortable going after so many groups? Why do you feel like your no-hold-bars approach is the best way to drive head first into cars?

I don't go after anybody, that's the way I look at it. I mean, everybody gets these jokes. That's how you feel? Yeah, like I'm just curious about people, you know? And it's just so, I don't know if it's grown up in New York where we had all these different, you know. Ethnicities. Yeah, it's just, everybody's so different.

Like my friend group was completely different and there are these little idiosyncrasies about each person that were just so funny and I was just interested about it. And then, and like learning about these different groups was just great. So I kind of learned and I dig in and I try to find something that maybe

they would never expect a guy like me to know about. And what I've seen is usually when you make fun of somebody and it's not like a hacky, low-hanging fruit thing, but it's something really specific, that that group is not aware that anybody else knows. Know that it's out of them. Yeah, they appreciate it. They feel seen.

And that's kind of what people want. They just want representation in a cool way. Do you, have you ever felt bad about like, damn, I probably shouldn't have said that. Yeah, I mean I feel more bad about like when jokes are just, you know what I mean? Like it takes a lot of jokes to make a good joke. Right.

You know what I mean, it's like every time you run a route you're not going to get a touchdown. You're not going to wait, right. But you have to run it every single time. Correct. So it's like, that's what we gotta do. We gotta shoot, shoot or shoot. You shoot every single time.

Right. And we fail, you know what I mean? Like, badly. Have you ever told a joke that was bad, and that you're like, well if I tell it like this, it might get better, and you keep refining? Because Cass says that- Yeah, that's the process. That really is the process.

Like, you have a funny idea, and you're like, okay, how can I make this, how can I get people to laugh at it? The idea to you is kind of funny, and then the skill is sharpening that tool. When I was early in comedy, I just wasn't good at making things funny. I thought I was funny. My friends might have been like, oh, you're funny, whatever,

like that. I really wanted to try it, but I just wasn't good enough. I remember I got punched on stage once, and I was just making- You got punched? Oh yeah, like I used to- Guy ran up on you on stage? Yeah, yeah, this is a, shout out to Smokey, man.

Smokey had a room at Cafe Mocha, this is like up in Harlem in New York, and he would let me go up on stage all the time, and I think it was the first time I was at Cafe Mocha, I went up, and a guy, and I was just making fun of some guy in the firm, but I wasn't funny enough yet. Like I wasn't able to do it at that point where he also found it funny.

He just thought that I was coming into his neighborhood and then I'm clowning on him. And he got up and he punched me and they grabbed him. They grabbed me, they threw him out. Why they grab you, hell they punch you. That's what I was asking. And then I remember Smokey handing me back the mic and he was like, all right me, they threw him out. Why they grab you, hell, they punch you. That's what I was asking. And then I remember Smokey handing me back the mic and he was like, all right, man, keep doing your thing.

I was like, what do you mean? Isn't the show over? There's gotta be a lawsuit here or something. You spoke that of Stole on him. Would they grab him, Dr. O'Connor? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe that's how I tell the story so it looks like I'm gonna fight it back.

I'm like, yeah, they grabbed me real quick so I couldn't get him, but that was the issue. That's right. Going after so many yeah, they grabbed me real quick, so I couldn't get them, and that was the issue. Going after so many groups, the LGBTQ, Mexicans, Indians, Asians, Muslims, blind people, blacks. Bro, I mean, is there anybody that haven't taken offense to something, if there's any group that hasn't taken offense to something you've said? No, I think everybody can't.

Like, that's the thing that I think is tricky, is like, I don't think comedians should be telling people what they Can or can't be offended by okay, like you could be offended by whatever you want, right? No, like, you know some people like they really care about their mom and they don't want anybody saying mom jokes Yeah, some people don't give about their mom. Correct. So say whatever you want. So I think it's like comedians It's not our position to tell people what they should be offended right like you are allowed to react However, you want you can be offended but just don't tell me I can't tell the joke. Does that make sense?

It does make sense, but everybody, I look at it like this, everybody don't view things through the prism of view that is funny. Some people like, you know what, you telling jokes, but you know, you hiding behind those jokes, but that's truly how you really feel. Well, how I feel in what way? That's a really feel. Well, how I feel in what way? That's a good question.

Yeah. But like how I feel in what way? Some people like, oh, I was just joking. Nah, you really feel that way. You really think I'm this, or you really think I'm that, or you really think this group is like this. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, I guess it depends on the joke.

You know, like sometimes their jokes are like, I guess, tap into truth, you know, for sure. But it would just depend on the joke, you know. But I get what you're saying. Like they think you're using like a joke as a smoke screen. Yes, yes. I wouldn't dedicate my like entire life to comedy just to use jokes as a smoke screen to.

No, I'm not saying, no, no, no, no. I don't think it's a situation where your entire set is based on that. But I think sometimes people try to fire off one, it's like, you know what, I'ma say this is a joke right here and just, I kinda really do feel this way. Yeah, if they feel that way, like if, like a lot of, yeah, if they feel that way,

then maybe that's fucked up, especially if it's offensive. Right. You know, I think that when you don't feel that way is when you have the liberty to say the craziest shit. Right. Like I say the craziest shit to the people I love the most. You know what I mean?

Like if me and you are like friends and you're not kind of roasting me or clowning me a little bit, I don't really trust you. Really? Yeah. I'm like what's up with this cornball who hasn't said something up to me? Like what is he plotting?

What does he want? You got black friends like that? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, that's how you build a relationship with people. Nah, we gonna have to give her some years. You got black friends like that? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's how you build a relationship with people. Nah, we're going to have to give her some years. We ain't going to be that.

Oh, I always tell, I always say, like, with black people, like, if a white dude isn't like a little racist around you, then you shouldn't trust him. Yeah. If he's not a little racist around you, because what is he thinking? He's thinking way more racist over here. They gotta be a little, like in the city.

But you gotta keep that to yourself, Andrew. No, you gotta let a little out. Just a little out, just to know that you're safe. Then I gotta lay him out. No, you have to fight, you have to fight. That would, you know, reward a stereotype. See, yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta be a little racist to him.

You're telling me you spent all that time in locker rooms in the NFL and you were all politically correct, that's what I'm supposed to believe. Nah, but back then. Don't talk about Troy Palamalu, that might offend the Hawaiian people. No, no, no, no, no, no, we didn't. What'd you say about that white guy on the Broncos?

It would, no, it would be. What'd you say about Elway? Nothing. Nothing. He's passing it all the time. You had to be, you gotta realize, you dealing with hyper, hyper, hyper masculine men. Yeah.

They will fight you on the drop of a hat. Good. Anything, anything if you, no, no, you couldn't do that, Andrew. All that jokes in the locker room, people ain't going for that. Yeah, but that's where the skill comes in. The funny people can do it.

Yeah. I have a hard time believing you are biting your tongue. No, because look, we joke about certain things. Like what? What guys wore? We joke on your outfit. That's what we're talking about. We joke on your outfit.

Yeah, you make fun of someone. But you're not finna just get up here and make no. What happened? No, you got to get the real Tiffany's, bro. You can't get that. Oh, you know what it is, Don't I? I got a wife. You don't think I know about the Tiffany?

You don't buy no Tiffany for you? She's trying to spend all this money. I gotta start selling cognac. Yeah. What I'm trying to say is, like, you've made fun of your friends, right? Yes, for sure. For dressing a certain way.

Yes. And what was that joke about? What was it targeted towards? Any specific community, perhaps, or no? Well, I think it targeted towards? Any specific community perhaps, or no? Well, I think. Probably not. No, no, no, no, because, Greif, I was making a joke about what he was wearing,

not that his ethnicity, because I didn't care what he had on it. But what did you think, what was he wearing? Did it look like not very masculine? Nah, he looked like a 70s drug dealer. He had a gold chain on with a polyester shirt, and it was bust open. Oh, that's fire.

Yeah, I had to know. This is good. It should have been set fire, but it wasn't right. It was. So it is fun to make fun of each other. And like when you grew up in a kind of way that I grew up, again, I don't know how you grew up. Like I, you know, how we-

In the country. In the country, so I don't know if it was just black people. Oh, we made fun of people. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was, I mean, look. But we stayed with like, it was like, it was in the late 60s and the 70s. Blacks were here, white was over here.

It was quite surrogate. So I went to public school in New York. So there's no, you don't get to be surrogate. You know what I mean? Like we're all in this together, and the Chinese dudes are snapping on the Puerto Rican dudes and the Puerto Rican dudes are snapping on the white dudes, the white dudes snapping on the black dudes.

It wasn't really, there wasn't really any sort of like discomfort, but that's all we knew. And that's kind of how we built our relationships. So to me, it's like the most normal thing. Like I remember even when I would tell stories of like going up to do like the quote unquote black rooms, there's like a chitlin circuit in like comedy. And they're like, some people who weren't really

from New York, they're like, you do the black rooms? And I was like, yeah. And to me, I didn't realize that it was an odd thing. I was like, it's just in New York. It didn't seem like a weird, it's not like this crazy idea. I'm not like walking across this specific street and everything changes. But I guess to other people that don't grow up like that,

it might be a little weird, they're a little shocked. What do you say to people that say, look bro, you just dealing with stereotypes. I mean, you take a group. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, they're right. It depends what the stereotype is. I try to get really nuanced with it,

but yeah, for sure, yeah. Stereotypes are funny as. Do you know what I mean? You never mess around with stereotypes? Like what's your manager or lawyer or agent? Jewish. Oh yeah? Yeah.

Yeah. No, I don't, no, hell no. I'm not uncancellable. I'm not uncancellable. I don't fool around with that. No jokes about that? No. Not at all, nothing?

Nothing? Let's give them a call. Hell no. What is it, Friday? They're about to turn the phones off. Hey, babe, they sure, they, they'll be taking no calls, man. I'm shutting it down. They'll take a call if you got something to sell. But let me ask you, what about Karen?

We're getting off the chew top like a media man. No, Karen, is that a stereotype? Karen, what's a Karen? Woman, the white woman that's complaining that you're not your beat. Yes, yes, yes, yes, Karen. What are you doing here? What are you doing here? What are you doing here?

What are you doing here? What are you doing here? What are you doing here? What are you doing here? What are you doing here? What are you doing here? What are you doing here? What are you doing here?

What are you doing here? What are you doing here? What are you doing here? What are you doing here? What are you doing here? like a media man. No, Karen, is that a stereotype? Karen, what's a Karen? Woman, the white woman that's complaining that you're not, you be, what are you doing here? Yes, Karen, yeah, yeah. Get off my lawn, I haven't seen you in this neighborhood before, who are you? Also, like, you should be able to tell someone, get off your lawn, it's your lawn.

Yeah, but I'm saying, that's just a figure of speech. The other ones I think are annoying, but like, if someone's on your lawn, like, if I was just showing up on your lawn and I'm like walking around on it, just yelling stereotypes. No, no, no, no, no. I think the thing is that

how they be trying to police the community. How they're like, oh, I've never seen you here before. Where do you live at? What's your apartment number? What's your house? Who are you? Annoying, right? Yeah, super annoying.

Yeah, I don't love the Karens. Until. Until? Until you live in like an apartment building. See, you're a really rich guy. You don't live in an apartment building. I did. You did at one point.

Yeah. When you were normal like us, you lived in an apartment. No, I was out here, I was in Cali. I was living in Cali and I lived in a high rise. Now. But it's just hard, man. I mean, to have to wait for the elevators. I know, it's brutal.

And one of them get broken and then there's only one operational elevator. And you're going to have all the girls coming up and down. You know what I mean? They got to take the stairs. Now they're sweaty. Now they're out of breath. And then I got to, you know, me, I don't ride the elevator with single women. Yes, you cannot do that.

So now if a single woman is on the elevator, I got to wait. Wait, why don't you, because they just get too horny. No, I don't want to run the risk. Run the risk of what? Sometimes the mention of impropriety is enough to sway people's opinion of somebody. Really? So I don't do that.

So if a single woman's going to go into an elevator. I'm not getting on it. And what do they think? I don't let women's servants come into my room to bring food. Really? If they come to clean the room, I leave the room. I sit in the hallway till they're done.

Then I go back into the room. Now, have you ever blown someone's mind with that? Has a girl ever done that? No, they just, I mean, a lot of times when people see me, it's like, OK, you can get on. I was like, no, I'll wait till the other. They say, no, it's fine. And I just keep it moving like that.

And do you think that they're thinking there's some reverse racism thing there? No, I don't know what they're thinking. Do you clutch your purse when white women walk around? On my cross body? No. Because if I'm on the elevator by myself, and a woman steps on, I'll get off. White women only or black women?

It doesn't matter. So you won't enter an elevator with a black woman? I don't get a... Clip it! Single. No. A single. I refuse!

I refuse to ride in an elevator with a black woman. No, it don't matter what color. I just want to let you know, black women, I will ride in the elevator with you. Then you go get it. Unlike Unc, I will ride in the elevator with you. But you do realize, sometimes in history, stereotypes have impacted a certain group of people in a negative way. Yeah.

Yeah, if it's a negative stereotype, yeah. Yeah. But you dwell, you go into that sometimes, you know, like, you know what? Yeah. I mean, I think intention is everything. You know what I mean? Like, I think my intention is to, like, bring joy and make people laugh. So that's what I do. But you do realize that intent only matters to you. The group that you're talking about is still equally as offended. If they're offended. I think a lot of times we assume that people don't like humor. But I think for the most part, Americans like to laugh.

And we like to laugh at each other. So I bank on Americans having a sense of humor over them not having a sense of humor 100% of the time. Because we're not a humorless culture. There are cultures that are humorless and they don't get shit. But part of America, we love laughing at shit. It don't matter who it is,

they could be the most radioactive person in the world. It could be Donald Trump. There was this Indian guy trying to ask Donald Trump a question, did you see that? It was in a press conference and this Indian guy had the thickest Indian accent ever. He's speaking English though. But it's just, you know.

It's hard, yeah, it's broken. And he's like's hard as well. Yeah, it's broken and he's he's like Mr Trump whatever he's doing the whole thing and Trump just cuts him off and goes I don't know what the hell this guy's saying now when he says that right Americans we die laughing at him because it's just this insane moment that happened Right. The poor guy is just trying to ask a question. He got a thick fucking accent, right? It is what is but I think Americans have a sense of humor about shit. Let me ask you this. What do you think?

Do you think we have a sense of humor? Do you think comedy should be policed? No, but look, the way I am, if somebody tells me something offensive, I'm good. I don't need to go back in there. I don't say, well, this is my right to say whatever I want to say. I don't look at it like that. So if one person told you I'm offended that you sell alcohol and drink alcohol on your show, you would stop?

No, no, no, no, no, no, hell no. Because this isn't about them, this is about me. But if I said something. That's what I'm talking about. If I said something about a group. Now you're getting it. No, but if I say something about a group, if let's just say an Indian or Asian American

says that, I'm good. I don't need the whole company, I don't need the whole 15 million people to say something. Okay, ready? I don't like your takes on football. And what if a football player said, no, I don't dislike your takes, but what if a football player said, one football player, not the whole group, one football player said, now I don't dislike your takes, but what if a football player said, one football player, not the whole group, one football player said, I don't like your takes, would you stop playing, would you stop talking about football?

No. Why not? No, because I'm not talking about, I'm not talking stereotypically, I'm not trying to demean him, I'm critiquing his play. That's what I'm doing, I'm talking about based on my knowledge of the game, having played the game, having studied the game, having covered the game, I'm doing. I'm talking about from based on my knowledge of the game having played the game having studied the game having covered the game

I'm basing my opinion solely on my intimate knowledge of the game. It's not about you I'm not talking about what you might have done on off the field. I'm not talking about anything other than that What about basketball? Yes, but you never played basketball I've never played basketball, but you still have opinion on it. I still have an opinion on it. And that opinion sometimes rubs people to wrong ways. It does. And you keep talking about it. But again, I'm talking about their play, not their ethnicity, not something that they

have maybe have done that people have talked about for 100, 200 years. There's a difference, I believe. Stereotype is, I'm not stereotyping that player. I'm not saying, well, because Lucas White, he can't jump. You talk about, you're saying specifically stereotypes. Yes. But what if like it's a cultural analysis? I think it all depends.

I mean, if it's a situation where... Like, is there a specific thing that you're referencing for me? Because maybe I can speak to it. It seems like you're hung up on this. No, no, I'm not hung up because I look at, you know, guys that do the edgy comedy. Yes. And I do believe that's kind of where you go.

You like to live on the edges. You're like, damn, this middle. This middle, it's too safe in here. I need to be right up to the edge. Yeah, that's more fun. I mean, you know what, let me look over there. You know what, as a matter of fact, let me put my foot over there. That's how you look at it.

That's the fun. Well, it depends, not to plug my special, but my current special is just me not being able to get my wife pregnant, because my sperm sucks. So it's like I could also go to Abu Dhabi and make fun of them about the interesting cultural observations I've made, and then I could talk about the things thathabi and make fun of them about the interesting cultural observations I've made. And then I could talk about the things

that are difficult and vulnerable in my life. So it depends. And there's some people that might be offended, but there's also like multiple arenas of people who are specifically coming out to see me make fun of them. Well, you had sold out back at the Forum and the Crip. You sold out Madison Square Garden, so.

And like when you look at the audiences at my shows, I would be like concerned if I was in your situation if it was just like all white people and we're just laughing at minorities. Right. That'd be weird. Right. But when you look at it and it looks like the UN, to me it's like- A smorgasbord. Yeah, it's the proof and the pudding.

It's like, oh wow, these people actually enjoy seeing this and they don't like Karens telling them what they should or shouldn't laugh at. Most people that I see policing jokes are like some white guy on NPR from Maine who's never had a minority friend who's like, white people should not be doing this. And then minorities are too sensitive.

We cannot make a joke about them at all. Their feelings get hurt, they're so weak. And it's like, to me, that's racist. It's racist that you assume that they can't take jokes. Like all the minorities I grew up with, we were giving each other dozens nonstop. It was just a normal thing for us to do. So that's my experience. Let me ask you this.

Have you told a joke on stage and you look around and you see people that look like you were waiting around to see who else laughed before they laughed? Bro, you know what? White people do that if you tell a black joke and there's a black person there. They'll always, they'll go like this or like, yeah, they'll be like, is the black guy laughing in the back? That shit is funny. Isn't it funny? So white people will do that. They're more polite. but non-white people, like minorities, they laugh at everybody.

They usually don't give a fuck. Like they're not concerned, they're laughing. White people are a little bit more concerned. They wanna make sure, they wanna be like, okay. Yeah, we laughing. You're laughing. That's what, now we're on the same page. Before you acted like you're not laughing.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna laugh, but my thing, I was saying that if somebody told me, I'll give you a prime example. There was a guy, his name was Fred Shimizu. He worked on camera three when I was at CBS. And I used to call him Ichiro. Which means first born in Japanese. Was he Japanese?

He was. Did you know that for a fact or you were guessing? I would know that for a fact. Okay. So. If you wanna guess, just go Chinese, there's way more. No, no, no, no, he was Japanese. And one day, his sister passed. But his sister was the firstborn. So he comes to me, he say, he say Shannon, he say, I know you've been calling me Ichiro for like the

past six or seven years. He say, but my sister passed and she was the firstborn. I would really appreciate it if you call me by my name. Boom. I didn't say, man, I've been calling you each year old for six, seven years, bro, get over it. Yeah. Fred, no problem. Yeah. His name was Fred.

His name was Fred. Fred is your measles. Fred, shout out, bro. Yo, shout out you, Fred. No, but I'm saying, that's how I operate, Andrew. That's how I operate. I didn't go back and say, bro, I've been calling you this. So yeah, you're not a professional comedian No, you're a broadcaster that you don't need a camera three guy and insult his heritage

I could and dishonor his family. I could you know what I mean? But yeah, I think that's our get back Deon Cole. I'm gonna get back Deon Cole. Why would Deon do now? He got me at the NAACP image award. He said something slick. What'd he say? He's talking about my clothes be tight. You do like to show off. You like to flirt. Nah, you flirting, bro. Yeah, you could wear baggier.

Why? Don't you believe in conspicuous consumption if you have it flaunted? I don't know what you just said. I went to public school, bro. Listen, you should have CTE. I don't know how the f*** you even pronounce all those words. What the f*** did he say?

Conspicuous consumption. Consumption. If you have it flaunted. Yes. So you are trying to show off. No! You just said you're trying to show off, Shandid! I feel gaslit! No, what I'm doing is that I work out. Okay.

And I work, I mean, how big, what you want me to get, triple X? All right, so now you're showing off. Let's say a dude comes up to you and he's like, yo, I like what you're showing off. Now I know that you're about that showing off shit, and he's like, I like it. No.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, what do you mean no? What you mean I'm showing off? I ain't showing off, I got on clothes. I can see if I came up here and did the interview with nothing on. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You just said you're about the conspicuous, whatever that is. Conspicuous consumption.

That sounds like a Harry Potter story. No, I'm saying if you have it flaunted. Yeah, so you're saying you got it flaunted, and a guy is over here like, yo, he's flaunting, I'm trying to catch some of that flaunt. He comes up to you. Bro, I don't get down like that. No, no, no, I know you don't. We saw the video, we saw the video. But that's what I'm gonna say, that's what I'm trying to catch some of that flaunt. He comes up to you. Bro, I don't get down like that. No, no, no. I know you don't.

We saw the video. We saw the video. But that's what I'm going to say. That's what I'm going to say. Oh, you say, yo, I don't get down like that. Stiff arm. Stiff arm. He's stiff too.

And we done. We done. That's done. But I don't give off that vibe. Now, people on the internet can say what they want to, but I have never. You don't give off that vibe. You don't give off that vibe. I've never been in a situation

where somebody has approached me from the same sex. It's like. But that's the thing that's weird. It's like, you don't gotta give off the vibe. Like no girl gives off a vibe for us to think they're hot. They're just hot. No, no, no, no. For you to, for me, in today's time,

Shoals, you can't just, hey, you look nice. That dress look nice on you. I ain't complimenting nobody. I got a wife, I can't do that. No, I'm's time, Shultz, you can't just, hey, you look nice, that dress look nice on you. I ain't complimenting nobody. I got a wife, I can't do that. No, I'm just saying, period. If it's not my sister, my daughters, or mine, you ain't get no compliment from me. No compliments at all.

Hell no. What if they have a... I don't care if they dress like Kanye's wife. You get nothing from me. Oh no, I'll compliment. No. Well, I think we could objectively say she has huge tits. No, because you say something to somebody,

now you make them feel uncomfortable. She made me feel uncomfortable, yeah. If I saw her in person, I would feel very uncomfortable, because it'd be impossible not to look at what she's got. I mean, she's, objectively speaking, when you're talking about biology, she's stacked to the gills. I take your word for it, man.

You've never seen it? I don't pay no attention. You getting in that elevator? No, no, no, no, no. You getting in that elevator, you hitting every floor. No, no, no, no, no. He just, he just come like this. No, no, hell no.

No, I don't pay no attention. What is your love life like right now? You have a girlfriend? What's the whole thing? I'm okay, I'm doing okay. No, I know you're okay. I know you're good, but like, do you date? What's your love life like right now? You have a girlfriend? What's the whole thing? I'm okay. I'm doing fine. No, I know you're okay.

I know you're good. But like, do you date? Like, how does somebody get into Shana's world? I'm private, man. I keep that stuff hush-hush. Really? Because if you date publicly, you got to break up publicly. Oh, and the breakup publicly is brutal, huh?

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So let me ask you this. Yes. Did you play sports as a kid? Because it seems like you like sports. You know a lot about sports. I hooped. I hooped and then I boxed. You what?

I hooped. I played basketball. Hula hoop? Yeah, hula hoop. Oh, yeah, hold on. In New York City. Yeah. You were a hooper.

Yeah, I was nice. I'm dunking on you. But you don't think that because I'm white, but I'm dunking on you. But you don't think that because I'm white, but I'm dunking on you in the game. Actually, you're big and you're probably like quick. It's probably tough to get by you, but yeah. I used to be nice at basketball. Basketball, and then boxing I did in college a bit,

and then I just, my nose is too big for that shit. Like even in the head gear, we get hit. Yeah. Like, head gear should protect your nose, but my nose would be popping right out the head care. I'd just be getting smacked in the head. But I had one smoker. Did you want to play sports?

So when you were growing up in- I wanted to hoop. I wanted to play ball like, I mean, actually as a kid, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to be a professional basketball player. And then like, I played in high school, and then I got like some like D3 interests. And I was like, I don't know if I'm going to go

to some liberal arts college to like play on the team was like, I don't know if I'm gonna go to some liberal arts college to play on the team there. I don't give a fuck about that. So I went out to UC Santa Barbara, and then I just went out to school there, and I didn't play on the team or anything like that. But I played with guys who, I saw the levels, put it that way. I would play this guy in the summer,

and he was a guy who played D D2, like school in Long Island. It was in Long Island or like Philadelphia. But, and then he went and played in Europe. And he was just, he was just nice. Like there's just, as you know, you're a professional athlete, there's levels to this. And I saw my level and I could have worked harder. Don't get me wrong.

I could have worked hard and I could have done other things for my game. But my game was built around, I know this is going to sound maybe hilarious because of your stereotypes of me, but it was built around athleticism and length. See, look at that. Do you see this racist stereotype that you have?

This is disgusting. We shouldn't allow this. I'm telling you right now that that is hurting me, so please never do that again. So you, you, you, you. Please never, I've told you that that hurt my feelings, so please never talk about I just shook my hair. Please never shake your head like that again

This is what it sounds like when people try to censor jokes, please never talk about it again, right my feeling But you have let it I'm tell I'm cooking you no problem. I Know it sounds crazy it does but I would back in the. I know it sounds crazy. It does. But I would, back in the day I would. It's not, because there's here this thing. It's like, I invented a move called the Hezzy,

I don't know if you're familiar with it. And basically what happens is I have a left to right cross and then I have a left Hezzy. And it's just, there's nothing you can do about it. You gotta ask Jay Williams. You know Jay Williams? Yeah. Number two draft pick, right?

Maybe the best college point guard ever, some people say. Cooked his ass on video. Okay, I was just wondering about that, yeah. I mean, you're familiar with this, right? I'm familiar with Jay Williams, I'm familiar with you probably. I love Jay, but I told him, you don't want the smoke, I'm gonna hit you with the hessie,

I'm gonna cross that ass over and I'm gonna hit a teardrop in your face, and then I did it and then I won What were your parents like my parents owned a dance studio? They would teach dance lessons. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you didn't want to go into the family. No, I know some dancing I know a little bit dancing, but they didn't really pressure me like that. Really? Yeah. Yeah, my dad before that was a journalist So he would like you have siblings. Yeah, I have a little brother. That's it Yeah, just a little brother and then my mom was a ballroom dancer and she was a three-time US ballroom dance champion She's originally from Scotland. She moved here and she was a 20. Yeah

So what type of big brother were you? Protective. Yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah, is that why you learn how to box? No, I think I learned how to box because I like talking shit. And so you need to pay others. Well, you ain't talking, when that man jump on stage and punch you, you ain't do nothing. Well, I didn't learn how to box yet.

I just learned how to talk shit. And I realized, you know, it's like, you gotta act both. You gotta back with. Exactly. Box first, then talk, then later. What is that shit they say about America? It's like, like America, what is it? The First Amendment is freedom of speech.

Not a amendment, but the first, whatever it is. Oh my God, I shouldn't know about this, okay. What is it? Freedom of speech. It's freedom of speech. And then number two is you could carry a gun. Right to bear arms. And there's a reason why, right?

I think it was Michael Che that had a joke about this. I'm not exactly sure, but it was like, if you want to let people say whatever the fuck they want, they got to carry something to make sure. And on some level, I'm not exactly sure, but it was like, if you wanna let people say whatever the fuck they want, they gotta carry something to make sure. And on some level, I did probably feel that way. I was like, I gotta be able to protect myself if I like talking shit. But I will give you credit, you talk about everybody.

Everybody gets these jokes. I think the second you stop doing it about one group, then it becomes hateful. Okay, okay, I see what you're saying. Because if I'm equally making fun of everybody, it's love. I genuinely want everybody to laugh when I say the jokes. Genuinely, that's the goal. I'm out here hoping that you come to a show

or you watch online and you smile and you laugh and you have a little joy in your day. That makes me feel good. How much does it cost for tickets to a show? Well, it depends. Depends where you sit. Depends what part of the venue you're at. Okay, up close.

I don't know. How much are tickets, stuff? I have to ask the Jew. It could be up to 200, 250. I'm going to watch it online. Yeah, you got to watch it. Yeah, yeah. You can afford it.

Stop it. I'm going to watch it online. You got different colored diamonds on your fake rollers. I'm going to watch it online. What is it? Did you put these on? No, that's the cotton candy. Oh my God.

That's like way more fancy than I even know. I'm going to watch it online. I'm going to watch it online. I'm going to watch it online. I'm going to watch it online. I'm going to watch it online. I'm watching a lot. What is it? Did you put these on? No, that's the cotton candy. Oh my God, that's like way more fancy than I even know about with watches. You're rich, dude. No, you got money, money.

No, not that. You dress like a Pilates instructor. Yeah, yeah. But you got money, money. That's the thing that throws me off. You said that Lulu? You look good in the Lou. How do you not have a deal with Lulu yet?

I'm trying to get one. You need it. Hey, who's your guy? Ria. Ria, Ria, are you part Jewish? Doug, can you help and bestow some wisdom? There would have already been a deal. There would have already been a deal.

Okay, we're gonna get this deal. Yes, Lulu Lemon. Let me ask you this. I've never asked anybody this before. How big is it? No. In inches or centimeters before. How big is it? No. In inches or centimeters? No.

Why is it that we look at it as giving you praise, how you guys stick together, come together, get money. Why do you guys look at that as a stereotype or frown? Jay Z. Who is you guys? The Jewish people. Oh, I'm not Jewish. Anyway. I'm not. You is you guys? The Jewish people. Oh, I'm not Jewish. Anyway.

I'm not. I'm not. You're not Jewish? No. My bad. Everybody thinks that. I'm not offended by it. No, no.

How do you feel about Jews? Oh, I'm sorry I called you that. No, I don't. Cut that Lululemon deal. That shit is done. Okay, Dove, please call the head Jew. Call the head athletic wear Jew and say no deals.

But your parents are from Poland, right? No. You just said they're Polish. Scottish. Not all white people are the same. They're different countries where different white people live. In Scotland, coast of Poland. I'm half white and I'm half Ghanaian.

Ghanaian? Yes. From Ghana. Who's doing your research? No, nobody. Ancestry.com did. You're talking about research. I'm from an ancestry.com. You don't know about my research.

Wait a minute. You don't think that I'm from Ghana? I'll take your word for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out Ghana, bro. Have you been to Ghana before? I have not. No?

No. Oh, dude. That's the vibes now. That's it. I want to go on a safari. Well, that's not Ghana at all. You're just saying that because you think Africa is also far. No, no, no.

I did my ancestry. I'm 90% Nigerian. Yes, yes. So- Do you know what type of Nigerian? No, they're different types. Igbo, Yoruba. No, I don't know all that.

They didn't give me all that. Oh, you got to look in. There's some beautiful stereotypes, as you would say, about the Nigerian people. But the Nigerian people are fascinating, man. Well, maybe you can help me out. You're not Jewish, but I'm gonna ask you this question. Yes, yes. You were about to ask me a question about like,

why is it when Jews stick together? Because LeBron said I'm trying- I'll speak on behalf of all Jews for you right now. No, no, no. But I'm just saying maybe you can help me, maybe because you have a better understanding than I do. Is that LeBron said that, you know, I'm trying to get money like Jewish people

and they like, oh, they lost it. He said that? Yeah, it was a song. It's a song. He wrote a rap song? No, he didn't write a rap song. He was regurgitating the line in the rap song. So you're saying if I just say a rap lyric,

I could get in trouble for it potentially? Yeah, I mean, I guess they look at it like somebody from the opposite race saying the N-word. But I'm saying getting money, how Jewish communities stick together. They pull together. They root for one another. Blah, blah, blah.

Do they? Yeah. You think they do? I think they do. We're all the Jewish rappers. They seem to be. I don't know. I don't even know there's Jewish rappers.

I know. There's like even know there's Jewish rappers. I know. There's like none. Jack Harlow, he looks kind of... Right? He got the curls. Are you sure? I think Jack's secretly Jewish, dude.

Don't you think? He's an industry plant. They call that an industry menorah. Why, I think that... I mean, I don't know. It depends. It depends what it is. I think it's hard to like... I think you should look out for people that you care about.

You know what I mean? Like, I imagine you do that with your friends. I've tried to build business with my friends. My friends just don't happen to all be like in the same community. But if you grow up in a community, it's not weird. So like, when I see black people looking out for black people or Jews looking out for Jews, like.

Yeah, we need to do that more though. But don't you think that that's happening? Don't you think there's an effort? Not enough. No? Not enough. Well, then do. Okay. How can you start?

What can you do? I'm doing my part. See, for me, yeah, shows I don't like to tell people what I'm doing because I do it not for praise because the way I look at something, even if I do something special and nobody tells me that it's special, I still believe that it's special. So I don't do it for the cameras. I don't do it to see my name in print.

So if I give or I donate something, if you mention my name, I won't give it to you again. Now I know you won't say this, but I just want to say that the people behind the scenes working on this are all black. No, my makeup, we're bread. Hey, hey, hey, everybody listen. Hey, listen, I'm just saying, you are providing black jobs

and you're looking at a black community. Nobody behind the camera here is not black. I just want to point that out. No, we got one. We don't have to count them. Those days are done. We're not doing that anymore. Okay, what the hell is going on over here? They did away with affirmative done. We're not doing that anymore. Okay, what the hell's

going on over here? They did away with affirmative action, so I'm good. DEI is over. Yeah, yeah, we good. No, honestly, I don't know, what's your thought on that? Like, do you think, I guess people when they hear that like a group is looking out for one another, maybe they feel alienated by it? Right. Is it? Is that against them? That might be.

I mean, for me, I love the fact that they root for one another, they work with one another. And for me, and I'm from the outside looking in. Do you want to recreate that? Is maybe that what? I want our community to be that. I think there is a distinct difference though with the black American community and the Jewish community.

And I'm not talking about just jumping ability. I think that the Jewish community is bound, I would imagine, by this book that was written like 3,000 years ago, right? A religion, these customs, et cetera. And unfortunately, because of horrible circumstances that my family had nothing to do with, just by the way I look, black Americans are bound.

Now, of course, in modern times, there's like amazing culture. Like you guys dominate American culture. But historically speaking, by the oppression, right? That's what unifies the black experience, unfortunately. Now, much different. Art, music, food, like all these other things, yes. But initially speaking, you don't have 3,000 years of, hey, this is our culture.

Whereas the Jamaican community in America does, right? Like the African community in America does. Like the Somali community can tap into 3,000 years of culture. So it's easy for them to look out for one another, take care of one another. And I wonder if the Somali community in America operates similarly to the Jewish community in America or the Russian community in America or the Italian community in America. And I wonder if it's like a more difficult task for black Americans in general because

you're not a monolith that has like one book that's driving your culture. You've had completely different experiences, and unfortunately because of history, have been torn from your ethnic and country identity. So you don't know what tribe you're from in Nigeria. And if you did, maybe that would inform so many things about you.

Like I don't know a tribe I'm from really in Scotland. I mean, I'm part of the Cameron clan. That's what it was. But it may be really cool if I knew more about that. And then maybe it would help congeal the community. So I think it is a cool thing to look towards and do. But you also got to give yourselves a little bit of slack. You're building a new identity.

And you're comparing yourself to groups that have existed for thousands of years. You're supposed to, in 400 years, become the same as Italian people. Well, we gotta start somewhere, Dwayne. No, no, no, it's great. But also, take a moment and be like, holy shit, look what we're doing.

And like, what, this is pretty cool. I think there's just a moment to pat yourself on the back because you're comparing yourselves to thousands of years of history. Okay. That's my take. Maybe I'm off, but that's my take. What's your thoughts on Kanye? He got the shirt style. Andrew, come on, bro. Why is he doing this?

I think his knee-jerk energy is just how can I antagonize? My guess is if you told Kanye, if you said to Kanye, if you were like, you won't love Jews, he'd be like, I won't what? And if you're like, I bet you won't love Jews. Matter of fact, I'm telling you right now, you're not allowed to love Jews. The next day he'd have a shirt, I love Jews.

Do you know what I mean? And I think like they're- He loves going against the grain. I think he likes, this is my assumption, I don't know the guy at all, but my assumption is he doesn't like being told what to do at all. And anytime he feels like a cultural impulse telling him,

like it happened with the MAGA hat. Right, yes. He's like, I'm gonna let you know, you're not gonna tell me what I can or can't do. I assume that's what drives him. Okay. And so the second you tell him he's being racist, he's like, all right, well I'm doubling down on that.

Right. You know, his wife is really talented though. She's in a new movie. Did you see the new movie? I did not. It's called The Elevator starring Shannon Sharpe. Yeah. Maybe I wasn't thinking it was a real movie, man. You got a joke.

But okay, you had a couple of comedians. They're not comedians. These are good questions, man. I don't want to sound surprised. Obviously, you're phenomenal at this. Yeah, we do. CJ, my producer and I, we do a great job. CJ, great job, too. You guys do a really good job of building this. Yeah, we do. I change CJ, my producer, and we do a great job. CJ, great job, too.

You guys do a really good job of building this. I appreciate it. Thank you. I mean, it sounds silly to say, because you guys are so successful. But I do think it's important to give people compliments when they work. Thank you.

I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah. You caught a lot of criticism. Yes. Well, I said yes, but I don't know what you're talking about. Because you already know. Yeah, I got criticized for that. It's always.

Once you get over 4 million followers on Instagram, it's always, once you get over four million followers on Instagram, it's like, you're clout. You wrote the anime when you had James, I think you say Fuhad? Oh, the shits and gigs guys? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And about the black girl effect.

Yeah. So tell me, tell me how did that conversation come about and then tell me what you were thinking when you said what you said. So what was the black girlfriend effect is essentially like when a white guy dates a black girl, he starts to glow up. He starts to look better. He gets a beard and a shape up and he's just fine.

And I've heard of the black girlfriend effect, obviously. So what was he saying at referencing it? It was like Travis Kelce or something like that. Yeah, I think, yeah, because, yeah, he was saying they glow up, they start to look different, they get beards and things like that, and I think you said, yeah, but they go bald because they're so.

No, that's what I was like. So for me, I'm like, this is a comedy podcast, I'm like making a joke, and first of all, I hate explaining jokes, I can't believe I'm even doing this, it's like so stupid, but. So I'm like, yeah, what is the opposite take? A lot of times in comedy, the opposite take is the funny thing.

So you go the other side and you try to defend the indefensible or whatever it is. This is what I've done my entire career. So the opposite take is, no, actually the reason why they're shaping up their hair because they're going bald because they're stressed out, they're going to beards, there's more padding in case they get slapped. It's just the opposite take of the black girlfriend effect

being you look so much better. It's really not that sophisticated. But they went on another podcast and said they didn't think that girls in Atlanta were pretty. So black women in Atlanta were very offended by these two English dudes, black dudes, that were basically calling girls in Atlanta ugly.

This is like the hub of black culture in America. You're just gonna call the black women ugly. So they were ripping them, and then they started ripping them for laughing at my joke. So it wasn't really about what I said, it was look how corny these guys are, and they are corny, look how corny these guys are, and they are corny, look how corny these guys are, here's another example of their corniness.

Right. Right? And then Ryan Clark took a break from posting pictures of his outfits on Instagram to do a whole salilac. Man, why you on RSC, man? Bro. Did you have a conversation? I love his Instagram. The outfit posts are amazing.

Right. Like the group chat is always full of the outfit. Like we can't wait for the new Ryan Clark outfit drop. The second the new outfit where he's walking the streets and the smoke is in the background and like an inspirational quote, you know what I mean? That's like, ugh. You need to have a conversation.

Ryan's a good dude, man. No, I know, everybody tells me he's a good dude. But he did that and he like, it just felt like it was all clout and he tried to make it this big thing. And he's like, by the end of it, he's like, he's one of these guys that like wants to say the N word, but doesn't.

And I was like, what the is going on? What are we even talking about? Right. The stories about those guys who insulted the black women and laughing at that joke. And then he kind of reframed it and then made it about me. But then they go on and say as well, I probably should have kicked the cameras over

and punched him in his face because. I should have done a lot of. Everybody should have done a lot of. But that was the opportunity. I mean, I didn't say he had to do all that, but he could have said, bro, I don't think that's funny. But he thought it was funny. Exactly.

Until he got blowback for it. And then he thought it was going to affect the bottom line, and then you just do whatever. But that's the problem, is a lot of people aren't willing to take the criticism. Like it or not, I don't sway from criticism. I don't say you can't criticize me. But I'm not bending like they're going to bend.

Then you're just a plastic bag in the wind. Then whatever the people say becomes your identity, and then people can't trust you. In my opinion, I think deep down people do respect when you have your own constitution, your own rules. I say I make fun of everybody, and I'm always gonna do that. It doesn't matter what the group is, I'm gonna do it. And then I'll get backlash, and you can have that backlash,

but it's not gonna change me from being me. And eventually people start to learn, maybe that was the first time they saw me, and they're like, that'll get backlash, and you can have that backlash, but it's not gonna change me from being me. And eventually people start to learn. Maybe that was the first time they saw me, and they're like, that was fucked up, why did he say that? And eventually I think that they start to go, oh, that's just what he does. He's actually cool with everybody about it,

and it's not a personal thing. He doesn't really hate anybody. He actually loves everybody, and that's just the way that he shows it. He shows it through jokes and humor and these observations. Why, why do you get into it with everybody online? I don't ever get into it with anybody online. You got into it with Cube's, Ice Cube Jr.?

Oh, that was just fun. Sometimes it's shooting fish in a barrel. Yeah, Ice Cube, what do I call him? Ice Cream, he's big. I think, I think, I think Cream I think Kree, I like him though. But he was just being foolish. Like he was trying to have a moment. Everybody was trying to have a moment.

Like there was just this big, anytime I see people trying to have a moment, it's like, okay, well if you want to have a moment, then I'll also maybe have a moment. Like exactly, like if you put something out there and you're trying to pile on me. So you be reading your comments, huh? Oh, of course.

Everybody reads their comments. I used to respond to, I used to respond to. I don't respond, though, to the comments. You did! Well, if you're big enough, I will. Yeah. Yeah, I just can't respond to everybody. Right, correct, yeah.

But there's certain people where, yeah, you should. Like, I've never said anything about Ryan. No. And I actually, this is the thing that's annoying about Ryan, is I actually think that he's good. I think he's good at what he does, but I just thought that that was really corny. Right.

And it felt like it was just, I'm gonna sandbag this dude for clout. Here's an opportunity for me to look virtuous, and I'm gonna not even reach out to him. You can reach out to me. You've asked me to be on your show. Y'all have asked me to come on the show, so you have the ability to ask me the context of things.

Oh, okay. That's the thing. So you came on Closet Shade first, huh? Of course. I appreciate it. Come on, no competition here, bro. You know what I mean? I appreciate that, man.

I appreciate his outfits more. You know what I mean? I'm comfortable. That one's more baggy than usual. I feel like you're on the Ozempic, bro. I feel like from the start of this interview, you lost weight. The bracelet's falling off. What's happening?

Ozempic? What's up with Ozempic, man? Let me ask you this. So you say you like to give the counter. So what's the white girl effect? White girls that date black men, what's the effect? White girls that date black guys, like what happens to the black guys? Yeah.

Oh man, they don't got to dress as cool. You know what I mean? They could, I don't know what else. I don't gotta dress as cool. You know what I mean? They could, I don't know, what else? I don't know. White girls that date black guys, what happens to the black guy? The black girl effect, the guys were saying they glow up,

they look different, they move different, they vibe different, they got the swag now. You said, okay, yeah, but they go bald because they're stressed out. So when white girls date black guys, like what happens with the black dude? Yeah. God, I don't know, we gotta ask him.

I mean, obviously you've heard the stereotype. You ain't got no black guy friends that date white women? Is that shocking to you that my black friends are real? You know what I mean? Is that shocking that my black friends keep it true? Yeah, you keep saying you got black friends, but I ain't heard no name yet. I mean, first of all, Dr. Umar Johnson was my best man.

Ah, man, there you go. Dr. Umar was the best man at my wedding, OK? And the only reason. Dr. Umar came for you. Never. That's my boy. I love Dr. Umar. Whatever. No, I'm telling you.

Dr. Umar is the goat. I'm telling you, he is the goat, the greatest of all time. But no, Charlamagne keeps it true. Charlamagne is. Yeah, yeah, Charlamagne. Y'all got to pod together. That's what I'm telling you, Dr. Umar is the goat. I'm telling you, he is the goat, the greatest of all time. But no, Charlamagne keeps it true. Charlamagne is- Yeah, yeah, Charlamagne, y'all got a pod together. That's what I'm saying. And so it's, what about you, man? You date exclusively white women or what?

Look, I go where I'm celebrated, not tolerated. And? I like who like me. Yeah, you dress like a white woman. I dress like that once upon a time that you know you tried to stay fly, but I'm like, no, man, let me, let me. So you'll date whoever. It's no like, now, do you feel the pressure though of like, I think, at least I'd see it now that there's like a pressure for black women, black men specifically.

Well, not just black men. Well-off black men. Apple-y celebs, entertainer, influencers like that. Yeah. Regular guy. And what is the pressure? Because they say, well, hey, you wait until you get some money and then you go cross.

So. And why do you think that that happens? Why does it happen? Look, have I dated outside my race? Yes. But I dated that people that adored me, that appreciated me. Not to say at the time they didn't.

I've dated my kids, but I dated women that celebrate me and appreciate me, and that's where I'm gonna be. I don't look at it because I'm not dating for society. I'm dating for Shannon. Yeah, I think that's normal. I also think that if you live in China, you're probably gonna date a Chinese person, right? Mm-hmm, and there's what is the black population of America is like 10% 12% 12% So half of that is women. Yes, so so 6% of America is black women

Mm-hmm, and then the white population America is I don't know like 50% or 60% I don't know what it is. So there's 30 40 12 like 30 Yeah, probably 40 something percent. Let's just round it so 25% here is white women, right so you have Four times the amount of white women than black women. So maybe the numbers Maybe it's not just like a black guy gets on and they dates a white girl, right? Maybe there's just of white women than black women. So maybe the numbers, maybe it's not just like a black guy gets on and then he dates a white girl. Maybe there's just more white women.

Well, they're out there just by the numbers. Yeah, well, there is, there is. So like, yeah, because I can imagine if I was a black woman and I saw that, I would feel that way. I'd be like, whoa, what the fuck is going on? Like, well, I feel like it's something I feel rejected. I don't know, as we as black men, if we feel that same way when we see a black woman dating a white guy.

I don't think it elicits the same response. I think you guys are a little intimidated when we date black women, because I don't think you can fill our shoes. I feel like you're a little worried. I feel like you can't get to the back of it after all. No, I bet we good. No, I do think, I do see that a lot. I be like, oh, she's off the market.

Like whenever I was dating a black girl, I would see black guys be like, oh man, can't do that. You've never dated a black girl? I haven't? No. Okay. Sure. I guess I haven't.

Oh, you got down with the brown? Yeah, what do you mean? Of course. Okay. Okay. Why is this surprising? I'm not pounding you on that. Like it's some accomplishment.

There's hot girls, you know. Why is this surprising? I'm not pounding you on that. Like, there's some accomplishments. There's hot girls, you know? And then you try to put your peepee in them, you know? But, okay, how about this? Is that shocking to you that a white guy, like, this is so interesting, the world, is that like shocking to you that there's, you know, that white people will date out of their race?

Do you think white people only date white people? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, you thought I was Jewish too, so you assumed probably I'm dating like a Jewish person. Yeah. Right, right, right, right. Your wife Jewish? My wife is, she was raised Christian.

But? But technically, her grandma is Jewish. But like you kind of couldn't be back then, so she had to like. Right. So, but according to the Jewish religion, if the mom's blood is Jewish, they consider you Jewish. Right. But she's raised Christian.

Like, you know, she goes to church. Sometimes I go to church too. Do you go to church? I haven't been in a while. Why not? Because the church is the building. My church is here. That's what lazy m****** do. Get in the building, man. Hey, but the worst, hey. Get in the building. My church is here. That's what lazy.

Get in the building, man. Hey, but the worst, hey. Get in the building. The worst people are in church. Praise Lord and doing the worst stuff. But Christ is king though, right? He is. I didn't feel, I didn't feel, I didn't feel you very convinced by that.

Nah, honestly, I really don't do a whole lot of talking about my religion, cause you know. Well, what is your, are you Muslim? No. What are you? I was raised Baptist. Okay, tell me about that. What's that about?

What do you mean? Like what's distinguishable about the Baptist Church compared to like a Presbyterian or something? I've only been to the Baptist Church. I went to a Catholic Church one time. I kind of liked that. Really? Yeah, that's drive-by.

What do you mean? 30 minutes you out. Wait, the Baptist Church is all day? I went to a Catholic church one time. I kind of liked that. Really? Yeah, that's drive-by. 30 minutes you're out. Wait, the Baptist church is all day? And you go out of it. Black church, they had, the Baptists ain't like that. You're there at nine, you're out at five. No way. Yeah, like a jar. It's the whole day. Yeah, yeah, man. Now, is it, was there singing in your church or is that just a stereotype? No, there's singing, lots of singing. And good stuff or what? Oh yeah, we had a lady named Miss Margie Bird, rest her soul. That lady know she can sing. Oh man.

Ah yeah. But Christian music is like, I get emotional. We would go to this church up in, it was in a school, it's in a school up in Harlem. Yeah. And where my wife's brother would go and they had these really talented musicians that would sing. One guy was on Broadway, he was part of the church, but it was in a school auditorium.

And I'm not a guy who really grew up with religion, but I'm in there and I'm balling every single time. What is that? Is there something about the people giving themselves to this? There's something beautiful about people giving themselves to a higher power, that like submission to the unknown. Man, when that word hit, that spirit hit. But I thought that's what you were doing. I think when you were giving your speech, you were preaching to me.

And not like you were preaching the gospel, but you were talking about something that was so, like the way you were speaking about your grandma, there was something divine about it. I was very passionate about the impact that she had on me. And that was my one time, Shultz, that was my time to give Mary Porter a face, because they had heard about her. But now, as the guy that did my bust, you could see it. He brought that clay to life. It was my time to bring Mary Porter to life with my voice and to shape and to show the world just who this woman was.

And I was reading that you said that she wasn't very vocal with her love, but she demonstrated it. And I've heard that from people. I wonder if this is also like a time thing like now I tell my daughter all the time like I'm no you can't even understand the words I'm I love you. That'll be the first thing that she understands right and But I've heard this from people before like You can communicate love without saying it. Yeah, sometimes even saying it and not behaving it right is worse, right?

So you're almost tricking somebody. You're telling them you love them, but then you're not around, you're not doing whatever. But you could feel, you could feel the love from her, huh? Why? Absolutely. Well, I think the thing is she took my mom, she raised her nine kids and took my mom's three,

and there's no question in my mind that she loved my mom's three more than she loved her own. Wow. So for us. Why is that? You know, they say that grandparents love the grands more than they love their own kids. Because I think the thing is is that, you know,

you have a better understanding because as a parent, this is your first experience. Yeah. And now you know how to do it. So you get a second crack around to try to raise grandkids. And man, it was, I know I'm not here. We don't accomplish, my brother and I don't accomplish nearly what we accomplished. And I used to have the idea, Andrew, is that I would look at like, man, I did it.

Everybody could still be able to do it. But then it really dawned on me one day sitting alone, everybody doesn't have a Mary Porter. So that's maybe why. Maybe they had the same desire. Why do you think you're so comfortable giving credit to other people? Because I realize how, you don't realize how much one can accomplish if he or she doesn't mind who gets the credit. I'm okay.

I'm okay mentioning CJ. I'm okay mentioning Ashley who runs Nightcap. I ain't got no problem. My brother, my coaches, I ain't got no problem. I understand that yes, I'm the face of it, but I do realize that there are people behind the scenes that make this machine go. And I'm cool with that. I think it means, and again, I don't want to speak for CJ, but I think it probably means

so much to even hear yourself be mentioned, especially when you're behind the camera. And I think it makes those people work and grind that much harder. Because usually they're not mentioned. A lot of people, I think especially in Hollywood, are so empty, there's just this bottomless pit

they're trying to fill constantly. No, I'm good. But that's what I saw from the speech. You are full. And I don't know if, and the reason I brought up the grandma love thing is that like, I think that happens when you're young. I think that you, I don't know if you say decide,

but you're raised in a way that like, you're worthy of love and you're worthy of greatness. And I think that's the people that you're around. And there are people that aren't raised like that, and they're constantly trying to fill it. And we've all interacted with those people. And they sometimes can be entertaining, but they also suck, and they're exhausting after a while.

And yeah, it's just cool to know that that happens just through straight investment. She just invested with you, right? She's there for you. Yes. When people say they gave you their last, I remember being in college and she was saying five bucks and you know, no, it was, hey, this is all granny got. Wow.

And I appreciated that. I just knew, although I was born in Glenville, lived in Glenville, I was born in Chicago, lived in Glenville, my mind was a million miles away. That's where I was, but that wasn't what my mind was. And were you ever able to communicate how important she was to you, to her? I don't think even, yeah, yeah, even though I didn't say it, when I would go home and people would say,

Mary, you did a great job with those boys. They're so respectful, they're so well-mannered. It's yes, sir, it's no, sir, it's yes, ma'am, it's no, ma'am. Yeah. She didn't really care about the football stuff. Yeah, because that's no ma'am. She didn't really care about the football stuff. Yeah, because that's your dream. Yeah, she didn't really care about that. She didn't, she could, I mean, it got her a life

that she probably wouldn't enjoy the last, you know, 30 plus years of her life, but that was being good people. That's what she wanted her grand, that's what she wanted her kids and grandkids to be. Let me ask you this. My pops has Dementia right so he's losing his his memory. He really has no short-term memory anymore He still holds on to some like old memories long and it's like one of those things every time I see him

I'm like have I communicated in my life how incredibly important he was you know and life how incredibly important he was. You know? And yeah. You just hope you do. But again, maybe you do it without the words. Like your mom, your grandma communicated her love to you without saying it. So maybe we've also communicated their importance to us without saying it. I guess we can hope that. Even though I have said it,

I tell them every single time, but you just hope before they leave that they know that they're everything. I'm a little older than you, and I grew up in an era, they fed you, they clothed you, they took care of you, that was love. So I don't need to tell you,

you got food on the table, you got clothes on your back, that's love. And so that's the way, and you have to break that because a lot of times you raise your kids like you were raised, because that's what you know. So for me, you had to tell myself, okay, I love my kids. I have to tell them, I didn't get to tell, but I knew she did.

I knew my grandfather loved me because of how they treated me and what they did for me. You take somebody else's kid and you raise them as your own, that's love. You know that because you got kids now. Yeah, for sure. You know what that is to raise a child. Absolutely.

That's a different football game, man. I actually think that we lose sight of that a little bit. I think that, I think in, yeah, I don't think that we give enough credit to the women who stay home to raise children full time. I think that in an effort to be progressive, right, like my mom worked, you know, it was her business.

But in an effort to be progressive, you know, we put so much on women, we're like, you should work, but you should also take care of the kid, you should also take care of the house and all this stuff. And I think we've lost sight of how important just doing that thing is. Right. But we grew up in an era though the women did that. They worked and took care of the house.

In that era, I would imagine there was a great respect and honor of those women. They were the center of the house. Great. It's like, I mean, you could see contrived stereotypes, but like the grandma was the focal figure of the home. It don't matter if she's the Italian grandma, the black grandma, whatever it is. The family rotates around her, what she says goes. She keeps the whole family together and there's this great honor and respect. And I worry in like my wife's time, you know, that like my wife has this like guilt for staying home with the baby. She got her MBA, she was working for Apple.

But that's what she wanted to do, and she almost feels like she has to explain to people when they ask what she's up to. And I hope we maybe get back to a time where, hey women, you wanna work, that's great. But if you wanna raise your family, that's incredible. That's a full-time job in itself.

That's work. Yes, that's incredible. Yeah, I think that'd be really cool in our lifetime if we could get back to that. Right. You mentioned that early in your career, you was telling a joke and a guy punched you. Was that the only incident with somebody?

No, I used to get in fights all the time. That's why you started boxing, to learn how to fight so you can defend yourself? I think it's important for a man to be able to defend themselves. I think it's good for your self-esteem and your character. Now, I'm no tough guy. I'm not trying to fight people ever. But I do think for your confidence, I think every guy should kind of learn some form of self-defense. You know what I mean?

You ain't hit it? I mean, you got a mic stand. You ain't hit it with the mic stand, you ain't throw the mic? Also you have to understand, this show is at a restaurant. I'm performing on the floor in front of the bus station at the restaurant.

So I thought he was getting up to go to the bathroom or something. I got no clue exactly what was going on. It's not like he walked up to the stage. I mean, my Spidey senses were tingling. You know what I mean? I was on 180 then Malcolm X. You know what I mean?

They were tingling the second I got above 96th Street. They were tingling. So, that didn't deter you from telling, because clearly he was a fan. How did people throw bottles of beer at me? Not recently, that's early in your career. Yeah, early in my career. Because at that time you have the ideas,

but you don't have the skills to make them funny every single time. It's still gotta be silly enough. You know what I mean? For example, that joke that I made with the shits and gigs about the black woman effect, it wasn't silly enough where even the most person who is most easily offended

Still found it funny. Okay, but there's a way where it can be silly. There's a way where there's like an artistry in it and And like I am earlier my career I hadn't developed the artistry and like now like when I'm on stage, I think it's different than podcast We're just shooting this right but on the stage I think I'm pretty good at like getting getting away with that Where you on jokes stealing because I've heard I pretty good at getting away with that. Where you on joke stealing? Because I've heard people say, nah, that's taboo, don't steal no jokes.

And then some I've heard comedians lately say, hey, write better jokes. My pushback is, if somebody writes a song, sings a song, and then you come behind and change a few words, write a better song? No, you stole that person's song. You can't steal. You can't steal.

It's also in comedy, you have to understand. Comedy's really popular now. Shout out Joe Rogan. You know what I mean? It's just amazing, his influence, and really just made it this cultural sensation. But the reality is that before that, we weren't really cared about or respected.

I love comedy always. I grew up on comedy. But like, it's not like Hollywood took it serious. There's not a lot of money in it, to be honest with you. Back, now there's money, but like back then, Hollywood couldn't make real things out of it. They tried to make a sitcom, but to stand up they're not really caring about it.

So the only thing we had were these jokes, and the idea that like, it could take you a year to develop a joke. And then somebody else goes and does it, that's fighting. Even if they change the premise of it, like I might tell a joke with a bottle and you tell a joke with a can. If the sales deal this. Well, here's the thing.

If they're stealing it, this is another thing comics got to understand too. It's possible more than one person has the same idea. Okay, okay, okay. So like if somebody is stealing, like they're literally going, hey I saw that, now I'm gonna use it, that's wrong. Right. But like, there's jokes that I do or have done

that I've seen other people kinda do similar shit. Yeah. And like, my knee jerk reaction isn't, that guy's a thief. My knee jerk reaction is like, oh I thought I was a more unique idea than it is But maybe somebody else also had a unique idea like I don't want to immediately put thief on you Yeah, and now with the internet and this is this that's like humbling. I think the comics is like there's Billions of people tweeting the funniest thing they could tweet

Yeah, every angle about the president getting shot in the air is gonna be said. You're not gonna say anything like that only you said. Like that's even why, not this isn't the reason why, but like my last special, not to like shamelessly plug, but like just a really personal story. No, but it's on Netflix, March 4th. But like it's a personal story because this is the thing I went through.

So I hope other people talk about, you know, maybe trouble getting pregnant and starting family. But I hope other people do so it takes away the stigma. But also like this, this is my experience. That's your story. So there's, you know what I mean? Like in a time where everybody can have their hot take about politics or whatever it is, I felt like maybe this is going to be more unique

and I can separate myself a little bit from it. I get that. Because sometimes I don't watch sports with the sound. Wait, really? No. Why? Because I don't want them to influence what I'm going to say.

For example? So when I'm watching a football game, there's no sound. This is so interesting. When I'm creating a set, like when I'm creating whatever I don't watch any stand-up. Mm-hmm When I'm creating my hour, I don't watch it because I don't want it to influence me at all Wow So now you know when you go up that night and you say something if Stephen a said something similar You and your heart at least know you both just

Good for you. And what a great. Because it sucks if that is your reaction and then you see someone else having you like, but I organically thought of that. I'd never saw him. And sometimes I'm like, well such and such said that, I was like, I don't know what he said because I didn't listen to the sound so I don't know what he or she said.

This is my, what I'm watching the game, this is what I deduced from it. Do you put music on with it? Do you put a podcast on with it? So you just watch in silence? I'm just watching in silence. Like a serial killer. It's just.

But you know what has gotten so bad? I watch all stuff like that now. I watch regular TV. It drives my. So you got subtitles on? No, I'm just looking. Shannon, this is a problem, bro. Maybe.

Shannon, there's storylines and there's dialogue that are very important. I believe it. So you're watching Severance with no sound. Yeah, I don't. I mean, a lot of stuff I watch, I re-watch, I already know what it is saying. I'm just laughing.

Yeah, what about porn? No, I don't get into porn. You don't do porn? Really? You didn't watch your boy Ocho's porn? Well, the porn he had. He said he was doing get into porn. You don't do porn? Really? You didn't watch your boy Ocho's porn? What porn he had. He said he was doing an amateur porn. Man, Ocho be trolling.

Who do you think's got a bigger? Man, what you tellin'? I don't know. You or Ocho Sinko? Who do you think's got a bigger dick? You or Ocho Sinko? I have no idea. Let me ask you this.

Would he think that he is a bigger one, or you? Man, he had the surgery, so. Okay, but, okay, so post-surgery, you think he's bigger? I mean, I don't know. You say he went from three to 11, so I'm gonna take it to word for it. Do they put it at the end or do they put it in the middle? I have no idea.

That was, you know what I mean? I have no idea. Do you think they just put a whole head on top of it? They got a place in Grand Junction where they people go and they have reassignment and stuff like that But I don't know you can take someone and put it on yours like a mr. Potato. No, they don't work like that, bro You don't work. Are you sure? I'm pretty sure Wow. I Mean, I don't think you can just take somebody's finger and stick it on yours. It's got to be yours, right?

I don't know. I don't know how that works. I mean, you know, you have a loser finger or you lose an arm I don't think you can put somebody else's arm on your arm. It'd have to be yours, right? Well, you can put someone's eyeballs into your face. I saw that Will Smith movie where he did that. Eye robot? No. 16 pounds or something like that. And then he gave the liver. You can give all sorts of body parts.

You can give people your heart. You can't give them your cock. Of course you could give them your cock. No. You wouldn't, you wouldn't on your deathbed, allow... Bequeath, no. I'ma use it when I go to heaven. What you gonna do up there in heaven with that thing, man? Hey, hey, hey, hey.

You caught, you did catch some flags. Hey, hey, hey. We getting off this call? No, no. You caught, you did catch some flack. For true age. You be, hey. We getting off this column. You did catch some flack. What'd I catch some flack for? Transgender. What'd I say about the transgender?

I guess you said transgender women is like blacks in sports. Because they kind of like took it over. No, no, no. See, this is why you can't tell the joke. Well, tell it. No, insert it. You can insert it.

What did I say? I got it, I got it, I got it here. Hold on, let me get the exact one. That joke was good as shit, but I don't think any transfer upset us. You compare trans women taking over women's sports to black taking over professional sports. Black runs faster, jump higher than whites.

Well, you used to, you used to. Still do. No, no, no, no. Whites got it back, dude. Well, y'all got Mac McClung, three time dunk champs. Sam, we're the three time dunk champs. Cooper DeJohn got a pick in the Super Bowl. You know, we got the best defensive.

I mean, it's really, something's in the water. Yeah. I think something's in the water. I think the best player in the NBA, Nicola Jokic. Huka Doncic. We got Huka Doncic. We got, I mean, it's kind of crazy right now. Why is there having a comeback? Yeah, what's going on? What do you think it is You got one DB y'all got two DB's wait who's the other one? There's a DB from the Broncos. I think it went to the same school with my

He's a white from the Broncos. I think they went to the same school, might've. He's a white guy? Mm-hmm. Usually that comes up on our radar. Yeah. Yeah. OK, but that's a big deal. The white DV is a big deal. It's a very big deal.

Why do you think that is? Why do you think there's so few white DVs? I don't know. I mean, every once in a while, Scott Case was in the league. When I was in the league, I played against Jason Sehorn. Jason Sehorn. But he was getting cucked.

He was good, he was good until he hurt his knee. Oh, that was it? Yeah, he was really good. He didn't get that. Because his knee didn't know he was white. And then once his knee found out he was white, he was like, what are we doing playing this position? Let's start coaching or something.

I don't think the guys go out for those positions. Wait, why? Why? Why? I mean, normally... Careful now. We might be talking about stereotypes. No, no, no. I wouldn't want you to do that. I don't think they go out for that position. They normally play wide receiver. They play quarterback.

They play safety. Yes. The corner is a speed position, a lot of skill, a lot of technique. And a lot of guys, they feel they're better equipped to play safety. Here's the joke, ready? Okay. Women are really upset that the trans women

are competing in women's sports with them, but I'll be honest, I can't wait for the day when trans women completely replace women, women, and women's sports. That's my dream. I have a marvellous dream that one day trans women completely replace women women at women's sports. And then women will know what white people went through when we let black people play sports. That's f**king difficult ain't it?

That's why we have no sympathy for you ladies. We hear you on the news like, how can we win? They run faster than jump higher. We're like, oh, I wonder what that is like. I wonder. I wonder. That must be so difficult to have a group of people. Anyway, that's the joke. Can I ask you this? Who are your My Rushmore comedians? You do, I don't know in New York, and it's four.

You're going to get four heads because people be trying to put five, six, seven heads on My Rushmore. Yeah, sure. You got four. Patrice O'Neill. Okay. Eddie. Eddie.

Eddie. Eddie. Eddie. Eddie. Eddie. Eddie. You got four. Patrice O'Neil. Okay. Eddie.

Bernie Mac. Chris Rock. Nice little group. Yeah. Who influenced you? First person I ever listened to do standup was Eddie Murphy. It was my father. He put in a cassette tape, Now we're dating myself here,

but like not VHS, audio. And we listened to Delirious. I remember seeing my dad. Was that 8-4? No, I was born in 83. So this is later, but maybe it came out of 8-4. And he was doing the bit about like, what if Mr. T was gay? What if Mr. Ralph Cramm was gay? I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going gonna. And I saw my dad laughing so hard. And from that moment, I can tell you the exact moment that I knew I was gonna be a comedian before even knowing it.

But it was like, I wanna make my dad laugh like that. And Eddie was just a genius. And then I got roped into buying those Def Comedy Jam VHS tapes. Remember when he was like, there was some 1-800 number, I called it from the house, I'm like, Mom, I need your debit card or whatever. I'm getting sent the new deaf comedy jam VHS. And then I saw Kings of Comedy with some friends in the movie theater. We're watching a movie theater. And I saw Bernie Mac. And I was like, wow, that is truly

the funniest human being I've ever seen in my life. And at this point in my life, I didn't really know that there were bits. And he was so conversational. Like, if you remember Bernie, like, he was funny, and then the jokes were like the sprinkles on top. But he himself just existed as a funny human being. And oh my god, it was just like, I was just watching this like super genius on stage.

And then I saw Patrice O'Neil when I was doing comedy as a comedian early on and I was like, oh, that is the craft at its highest. It does not, in my opinion, from everybody I've seen in person, that is the craft at its highest. Rest in peace, Patrice O'Neil. Have you seen Patrice before? Go watch Elephant in the Room if you can.

It's probably on Netflix. It is, I mean, if you want to talk about his ability to control attention, his ability to lure you into his thought process and get you to take down your guard. A lot of times when we're watching stand up, we're almost kind of guarded, we're like, all right, where's the joke? Where's the joke? But he so quickly gets you to just be like,

go. We're hanging, bro. Hey, we're hanging out. And you're just looking at a super genius and whose skill of communication in the world is making people laugh. And the little things that he like sets traps for the audience, then dunks, oh, it's just, to me,

that's the highest it's ever been done, is Patrice O'Neil. I read what you felt, Chappelle took a shot at you on Rogan. Yeah, I think it was about the slideshow, he called it like a slideshow. I mean, it had some pictures in it. But yeah, I guess that. I think it was more like Rogan was like building me up. And he was just being the great guy he always is, which is like trying to build up young talent and like give them praise.

And like he's sitting across from, you know, someone who's recognizes. Many believe he's the goat. Is the goat as they should. Like he's recognizes. Many believe he's the goat. Is the goat, as they should. Like, he's brilliant. He is. And I think that he was like, really kind of like serving it up for Dave to be like, hey, yeah, he is great.

Yeah, yeah, he's really good. And then he was kind of like, I don't know about that. You know? And I think, yeah, there's part of you that's like, ah, man, I wish it didn't go that way, but it's okay. It is what it is. Joe, I've not had one person come on this show

and say anything bad about Joe Rogan. They give him his flowers like Joe, hey, you need this, call Joe. You want support, call Joe. Joe's going to highlight you, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. What is it about Joe Rogan? What makes Joe Rogan so special? He's a benevolent king. Most people that have the disposition that like allows them to become powerful are not good. It's very rare you get a person that wants power and wants to help.

Usually people that want power have like a psychosis, they have an issue, right? And they're like crazy people. Like every tyrant of any country. Most of them are not like benevolent. And he's a person who I don't think he ever was like, I'm going to be the most influential, I'm going to be whatever. But throughout the entire time has looked out for other people. Like the amount of people he's just made millionaires, the amount of people he's made thousandaires, like the amount of people that he's, it's just unbelievable.

So I think when you feel that, and you feel that from someone in a position that does not need to do that, and when most people don't, there's a lot of gratitude. There's a lot of gratitude towards him, I think. I had Cat on, and Cat- We know.

Pulled a curtain back. I don't think people knew that comedians were at each other like this as much as they were. And I think Cat pulled a scab back, pulled a curtain back. And did you know? Are you on, I mean like- I think it's really competitive. Really?

Everybody says that. Yeah, I think it's like, to me, I think it's really competitive and like we just don't really share our business publicly a lot And I think cat kind of shared it right, but I think there's a lot of competition and I think sometimes There's like a scarcity mindset where it's like oh because he's doing this I'm not which is not the case correct. There's a lot of nights out people got to go to shows, right? Nobody's taking food off your plate. Mm-hmm

Like but sometimes when you don't have something, you're looking for an explanation. As to why. As to why. But it's just like when I see guys arguing over who could cover who on a podcast. You're gonna be competitive. And then the people who are super successful,

when you reach a certain level of success, people are looking for reasons why you shouldn't be that way. Like, I'm sure you experienced it. When this show was like a certain level of success, people are looking for reasons why you shouldn't be that way. Like, I'm sure you experienced it. When this show was like a fledgling show, you remind everybody of their dreams. Once you do 80 million views and you're millions of this and millions of dollars, you got your own cognac,

now you remind people of what they have not accomplished. So now they start going like, oh, but he just does this, and he just does that. Oh, he sold out to Hollywood, or he a part of the Illuminati. Which is like the greatest compliment you can get. Once people start saying you're Illuminati, you made it. Listen, making it as a black dude in America

is either you're gay or you're part of the Illuminati. That's how you make it. If you don't have a gay rumor and you don't have Illuminati, you haven't made it yet. But here's the thing. Yeah. Is that what you guys say in y'all community? When a white guy makes it.

No, we say Epsi is silent. We're like, he was on the flight locks. No, but I think what happens is there is this competition and then sometimes now that there are these platforms it kind of gets out. And it just comes from people wanting a little bit more. But here's the thing though, Shultz, is that 80% of the money that's in circulation

was printed since 2020. So there's a lot more money out right now. So if they run out, they'll print more. I'm not taking, see, you can't get mad at results you didn't get for work you didn't put in. You're speaking logically, but people react off emotion, man. And I think sometimes emotionally they're just trying to find a reason why they aren't where you are.

Yeah, I'm not where he is because I didn't suck Hollywood's. But you're not working hard. Because you criticize me, say all you do is work. You ain't got no life. I see now why you're not married. Isn't that funny? Isn't that funny? So it's like you work too hard and that's why you're not married.

If you were married, they'd be like, yeah, but you don't really care about your family because you're always working. There's always gonna find a way to tear you down. But again, it has nothing to do with you. It's just now you're at a level where you remind people of what they haven't achieved. has nothing to do with you. It's just now you're at a level where it's, you know, you remind people of what they haven't achieved.

But also here's the thing, when we get to those levels, we can't really be about it. That's the cost of success. A lot of people get to those levels and they complain about all the hate and that kind of shit. It's like, nah, you gotta pay the piper. If you wanna sit across from a dude and drink cognac and make millions of dollars and wear a yoga outfit,

you're gonna have to deal with some people who's on you online. But I didn't know. I know it's surprising. It's more surprising because you're like, I'm a good person, I help people. I go through the same thing. I'm like, I'm good to all my people,

everybody around me is eating, like I'm a generous person, I want other people to win, but that has nothing to do with it. You've reached a level where your success is gonna make certain people feel away, and they're gonna wanna chip away. That's a human instinct, it's in us,

and we gotta take it, we can't cry about it. This is the cost of success. But why does my success make you feel, what makes you feel bad about yourself? That's that's human instinct. Unfortunately It's human instinct. It's just who we are The only people that were not upset were not like mad about their success Also, the easier the thing that you do to be successful is the more resentment people have so like Comedy is scary for people. So like a lot of times like if people are upset at my, they're not really upset at my like standup success.

But podcasting looks like the easiest shit in the world. Like anybody can hang out with their friend and call each other gay for two hours. That's podcasting, right? So it's like, not saying we've done that. We would never do such a thing. Anyway, but like, so the easier the thing is, and the more money you make in it,

the more resentful it is, because you're like, I could also do that. But here's the reality, it's there are intangibles here that are really difficult. You setting up the systems, you finding a guy like CJ, you building all this, you finding a new venue every single time,

structuring it, scheduling, like these things are tricky, but us complaining about how hard it is doesn't help our cause either. This is the cause of doing business and we gotta be grateful Because every person you admire probably got haters. They called Tom Brady a system quarterback. Yeah, that's how you know Did you call him that? No, okay, but that's not Exactly, but that's how you know

It's like there's always gonna be something to be said and that is just the cost of success There's very few people who are like unanimously beloved and successful. Like I don't even know any who. Michael Jordan. You don't think that we were hating on Mike? I'm a Knicks fan. I was hating on Mike like crazy. But see, you was hating because,

and that's what I tell people. When I played for the Broncos or the Ravens, I understood the Steelers were gonna dislike me. I understood Kansas City at 13. Yes, yes, there wascos or the Ravens, I understood the Steelers were gonna dislike me. I understood Kansas City of certain teams. Yes, yes, there's a justification. And this, I get it, you feel like there's an unfairness. You're like, this isn't based in reality. If you wanted to criticize you for a reason

that you might agree with, then you'd be like, okay, I can do better at that. But it feels like it's just hate to hate. And unfortunately, that's part of the cost of success, man. I'm learning, bro. I mean, you're going to get used to it. You got a lot of success. This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two is also posted and you can access it to whichever podcast platform

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