Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Anthony Hamilton Part 1

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Anthony Hamilton — Grammy Award-winning singer, multiplatinum songwriter, and one of the most soulful voices in modern R&B — joins Shannon Sharpe for a raw, emotional, and Southern conversation about music, manhood, heartbreak, and legacy. From the “born in a pot of collard greens” grit in his voice to the stories behind his biggest records, Anthony breaks down a life built on struggle, faith, and timeless storytelling. He opens the episode performing “Charlene,” unpacking the real breakup behind it — waiting by the door, balancing ambition and love, and how men often hide behind their careers. Anthony talks about how long a partner should stand beside someone chasing a dream, the struggle of supporting a family with limited means, and why attention, not money, is the real love language. After performing “Coming From Where I’m From,” he reflects on how growing up without his father pushed him to hustle harder, and how being adopted at 14 changed his life. He shares that his father didn’t return until right before his wedding — a reunion only made possible by his future wife. Shannon brings up viral memes about his music “sounding like walking home from work,” Flau’jae discovering “Charlene,” and Anthony realizing he’d officially become “old school.” With “Her Heart,” Anthony discusses making mistakes, breaking promises, and how men grow emotionally. He opens up about crying as a man, why vulnerability is strength, and the meaning behind “I Cry.” Then the mood lifts as he performs “Cornbread, Fish & Collard Greens,” reflecting on why men rarely approach women anymore, social media replacing real connection, and the lost art of old-school flirting. Anthony shares his favorite Southern dishes and his craziest food experiences before revisiting his early break as a background singer for D’Angelo. He performs “How Does It Feel,” shares lessons D’Angelo taught him, and remembers missing his final phone call. He opens up about D’Angelo’s pancreatic cancer, Angie Stone’s passing, their snowstorm sessions, and the heartbreak of their son losing both parents in one year. Shannon and Anthony dive into Drake — linking in Toronto, studio sessions at The Embassy, and late-night rides in Rolls-Royces. Anthony compares Drake’s home to Prince’s legendary jam sessions, then takes us inside the homes of Nelson Mandela, Will Smith, and Jamie Foxx, plus his private talk with Barack Obama after performing for him. He breaks down writing Donell Jones’ “U Know What’s Up,” creating “Thug Mansion” with Tupac, winning a Grammy with Al Green, and collaborating with The Roots, Jill Scott, Chris Brown, Jeezy, Rick Ross, Nas, and more. He discusses unreleased songs with John Legend and Ty Dolla $ign, appearing in DaBaby’s video, signing with Jermaine Dupri, and how music has changed in the streaming era. Anthony reflects on grinding in New York City with just $67, how Nick Cannon bought him his first car, and the struggles artists like Kevin McCall face. He recalls working on American Gangster with Denzel Washington, Empire with Terrence Howard, witnessing a killing at seven, and his barber days — where the “struggle beard” became his signature. He shares the moment Michael Jordan gifted him Jordans and his experience working with Oprah on They Call Me Dad. He closes by reflecting on raising six sons, marrying young, and how dating feels different after marriage.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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fathers passed down that sons are left to heal what if being a man wasn't about holding it all together but learning how to let go this is a space where men speak truth and find the power to heal and transform I'm Mike Delo Rocha

welcome to sacred lessons listen to sacred lessons on the IHart Radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast House. How does it be? Also someone you were very close to Angie Stone. You sung at the funeral.

In both of them, I'd never seen anybody laid the rest looking so peaceful. She had a smirk on her face like, I told y'all. I'm serious mad in all Angie Stone fashion. How does it breathe? All my life, they're grinding on my life. I'm grinding on my life, sacrifice, hustle paid the price, want to slice, got the roll of dice, that's why, all my life, I be grinding on my life, yeah, all my life, then grinding on my life, sacrifice, hustle paid the price, want a slice, got the rolling dice, that's why all my life,

I be grinding on my life. Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shethe. I am your host Shannon Sharp, I'm also the proprietive Club Shishay, stopping by for conversation and a drink today. This has been a long time in the making. Seven, eight years in the making it happen today. He's one of R&B's most distinctive and relatable voices, one of the last soul superstar singers that's had an impact on modern culture. They say he sounds like he was born in a pot of collard greens. The National Treasure, a narrate of love, a Grammy award-winning singer, a multi-platinum selling songwriter, soulful storyteller, intergenerational artist,

renowned musician, phenomenal producer, a veteran entertainer, an actor, an author, and a publisher. He's sold over 50 million albums worldwide, a Charlotte Bread hitmaker, and a local music legend. He's in the North Carolina Music Hall of Fame, a gift to our generation, a staple in the R&B community. Here he is from North Carolina, a country boy. Mr. Anthony Hamilton. Good evening. How you doing, huh? Good to see you, man.

This show is going to be a little different. What we're going to do, we're going to go in between. Anthony perform a song. He'll come sit on the chair. Tell us about the song, what he was thinking when he wrote the song. what the song actually means, because I'm sure there are a lot of people out there to think these songs are about them. And he's going to set the record straight. So here he is to perform his first song, Charlene.

I woke up this morning that's well woke up this morning found a letter that she wrote she says she's tired that I'm always on the road too hard to swallow

being not alone she needs a point that night that she could hold she must have told me a thousand times more silent cries i used to ignore god knows i love her didn't mean to hurt and i be yeah i'm sitting here waiting on you to come on my game waiting on you I'll be back, yeah.

And I'll be by your side, oh. And I'll be by your side, oh, and to love you and to be with you for life. Come on, her, you'll need Charlene. She knows I really love to show music game since I was a child. Let's spend my dream. I can't support her, treat her and spoil her.

You know by her to find nothing. But I forgot about loving her. Damn the money, diamonds and first. What about the hard days she had with the me best? Oh, she needs for me to love. Maybe I'll be sitting you away, don't feel a couple of people. And I'll be waiting. I won't leave.

She, oh. Promise I'll be here till the very end. By your side. See, oh. To protect you and love you, see, yeah. To be shyly. to be shyly see whoa promise i can't live without her

god knows i need another but you see sometimes said i hurt so bad that she's going yeah yeah god knows i praise she'll come home One day, hey, yeah, in my life, oh no, oh, oh, see, baby, a big, sit here waiting on you to go home. Sit here, said, I'm waiting on. And I won't leave. And I won't ever leave. Promise I'll be it till the very end.

I'll feel you for life to protect you and love. See, I won't go away. Come on to me, Charlene. Sometimes say I cry, Charlene if you're listening, could you call on me? Because I'm on Club Shake, Jay, yeah. Come on a few, yeah. See about this, baby.

Come on have a seat. We got to talk about this. Oh, man. No star, Shadden. No star. We got to talk about this one, bro. Thank you, man. Good to be here, man.

Yes, sir, absolutely. So is this a real story that someone actually say, Anthony, you're working to, bro? You know what? It is a real story. Her name is not Charlene. Okay. So you wanted to protect the innocent. You know, the little money I was getting in, I wanted to keep it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, it was a relationship, you know.

Okay. And just working, being focused on what I was born to do, man, sing and go get it. And sometimes it's not good enough to. to be successful in your business and home suffers. So a series of events happened. We broke up and, you know, hard break, hard break created a song, a staple song for me. But when you, the old saying,

you'll lose a lot of money chasing women. Yeah. But you won't lose a woman chasing money. That's not true. You're telling you that's like, But how do you find a balance? Because when you're trying to achieve something great, people say, oh, it's work-life balance. Work-life balance is nine to five.

But when you're trying to get it like you were trying to get it, there is no balance. And you need to have someone that's in your life that can understand that. Absolutely. I think a lot of times, you know, people think their life's going to be structured. Yes. You know, like you said, the 9-to-5, but music business is not structured. One minute you're hot, and the next minute you may not be. You'll be home for a couple months.

And the next thing, you know, you turn around, you got a hit record and you go on three, four months at a time. And you're in the studio late nights as well. You can be close to the house, but never make it at home. You know, so, you know, people with that expectations of, well, you're here, why you're not at the house? Right. But I'm working. And you could theoretically be at home. Yeah.

But your mind is a thousand miles away. And you're thinking about something that you need to get done. Absolutely. I'm at home laying with you and I'm thinking about these 16 balls in my head. You know, man. You know, you have to compromise in these kind of relationships. And you have to have a woman or a person or whoever, puppy or whatever, who understands that lifestyle and they can handle it.

Everyone said, me being the next professional athlete, and I've had relationships that I can, I'm fine being number two. Yeah. Until they actually have to be number two. That training, meetings, and working out in the way you eat is first. Yeah. But you said you can handle it. Well, I thought I could.

Because I'm sure they probably say Well, man, I'm gonna support you I'm pushing you That ain't you walking, I'm pushing you But when it actually happens And you have to be gone Or you have to be in the studio Because when an idea hit, it hits

You can't just like, well okay, I get up and do it in the morning No It hits then, I got to go right then I got to do what I need to do How difficult is that to get them to understand I'm not a 9 to 5 type of a guy? Yeah. And what you're accustomed to or what you've been used to is far from that. I think it's two two ways to it a lot of times You know men or women or whoever will train them in a way to make them comfortable

Because you want to secure it because you know this person is special right, but then when the real life sets in is just like wow I didn't train you on this bad on this part here So now you know I may seem like I'm unbalanced and I'm out of out of character, but Ultimately, this is what I'm supposed to be doing. Yes. That's your calling. Yeah, it is. And so you just have to let him know, like, hey, there's going to be some nights.

I'm going to have to get out of this bed and go. Like the other night, I was working at Buster Rimes called. He needed a hook real fast. I had to, you know, had to go. Even though I was by myself this time. But they had to go. Right. Kids, y'all, hold it down.

Don't let nobody in the house. Right. But you have to go and that's another way, you know, you suffer when you have children. yes you know have to sacrifice time with them as well do the kids understand because i was very neglectful in that aspect i would promise my kids i was going to do something but i had run myself into exhaustion i had lift myself into oblivion and i was too tired to do what i had promised them that i was going to do yeah yeah and they had to make sacrifices that no other kids had to make yeah that's hard that's a hard one because you know i think my first three i have six

son. So my first three, my older boys, Anthony and Romero and Tristan, they got more of the sacrifice time. Yes. You know, I was there, but, you know, I missed a lot of the school dancing. You missed the football practices and you missed all that, the basketball and the PTAs and all the stuff. So I go harder now for my last three. Okay. Go hard. I'm at the football games. But still, then, like, they were at the house. My ex-wife had to come and pick them up last night because I you know I had to be here right to do this I ain't going to miss the club shake I'm going to miss it again I appreciate that we talked about this because Anthony and I were we would been DM and we've been there goes back seven

eight years you know yeah you when it when it came to my and I was talking to my producer CJA said man we need to get Anthony Hamilton but not just for a sit down but to having performed CJ's like yeah that'd be a good idea and we just kept going kept going and it took seven eight years and it's finally happened and man I'm so excited Thank you, man. Look, everybody knows coming where I'm from and Charlene and I cry and her heart, all that. I mean, we grew up.

We grew up, we grew up, but we grew up. But now you old school, too, because it's like, man, the OG used to be Luther. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Teddy P. And Donnie Hathaway and Barry White, now you, that's you. Yeah, if it ain't that as unc. But I think I'm, I think I don't aged out of unc now. You know the age out of them now?

I think I'm, what am I, O.G, triple OG? Triple OG? I still outrunner, a lot of them, though. I still outrunner. Still outrunner. So how long, what's the expectation, having been married and having been in this music industry, because you've got to move around.

You might be in Raleigh, and then you're in Charlotte, and then you're in Atlanta, and then you're in Florida, and from Jacksonville, Orlando, so forth and so. How long do you think, I mean, it's hard for you to say, but for a woman to say, okay, he this man is chasing his dreams yeah how long do you think is a realistic expectation for her to support you i think it happened i think uh you know i've met some really amazing women since my

since my divorce right now i've been talking and and and seeing someone who's pretty special okay i think uh she kind of gets it yes and so i'm willing to do the work to try to see where it goes where it goes balance it out yeah because you know the thing is is like so Sometimes I feel women want to finish product. Yeah. The house is already built. Yeah. Everything is already done.

But in your life, but when you were coming up, you're trying to build a house. You're trying to lay a foundation. The stronger the foundation, it can't be broken. It can't be shook. But if the foundation is not solid. Yeah. You know, women have taught, you know, a man is supposed to be the security and all that stuff. And sometimes the security don't look the same as it does for somebody else.

Correct. You know, I'm providing. I'm there. I'm making sure that certain things are done. But when I leave, I'm going to make sure that things are taken care of. So when I get back, you'll feel as if my presence was there. And I think if you try to do that, you can have a better outcome. How hard was it for you to trace your dream? Did you ever feel like, man, this issue ain't going to happen, man. Damn. It seems like every time I mean, I feel like I'm so close. I know this is my calling. Absolutely. But how long, how long were you willing to stay on this path had you not? Because I think it was with the nappy roots that when you, they heard you and they spent like, yeah, yeah, this got special.

You know, I had been signed. I got signed to sign the 93. I used to open up for Jodacy. When a freaking you came out. Okay. And I was signed uptown, Andre Horel, really believed in me. And uptown and Andre Harell and MCA, they fell out. So here I am, left dangling.

in between paperwork they leave you hanging so I'm left the paperwork and so from from 93 then wasn't until 2003 when germane damn jermaine put me out that that success started to happen but in between that I was signed a soul life right um job records so many different labels and after about three or four those you you want to kind of throw it throw your hands up throw hands up. Yeah, but then God it gave me something. Like he gave me the Tupac record or the Nappy Roots or I co-wrote

say what for Donnell Jones. So give me a little thing to keep you going. It's like, hey. Keep me going, man. Yeah. It's like, no, I got something better for you. So just stayed the course. Was it hard to continue to chase your dream when you didn't have a whole lot of money coming in? Yeah. You know, being a barber,

you know, I can make a couple dollars. I can get a couple pieces of pizza. You know what I mean? Get a couple pieces of pieces of piece of here and some water. But, you know, my landlord was like, Anthony, I need my money. You know, Ms. Ryan, I appreciate you up there in Harlem. But, you know, and she believed in me, but still, the shame you feel, not being able to hold your part of the bargain up can kind of weigh on you a little bit as well. Because it's a situation like if I had provided a service, I'm going to vote my money. I ain't trying to hear that. Hey, hey, you know, it's tight

this money. Yeah. Hey, just bear with me. And so I I understand, you know, people like, well, you know, money's tight. I still got, I still got a mortgage to pay on this building. So, you know, you're talking about it's tight. That impacts me. It does, man. You know, you come and get a haircut. Tell me, I ain't got about, you know, the haircut's $10.

Right. You got $4.50 and a knuckle bag. That ain't going to work. That ain't going to work, man. Come on, man. Go get rid of that. Hey, y'all. It's me.

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Great with my money. So that'll be nine. I'll be show 50s, but I can't be show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, we work it out. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to perform the next song that you're going to perform

it's coming where I'm from. So we're going to take a listen to that, and then you come back over here and talk to us about it. Let's do it, man. Let's do it. Bye. Hey. Do, do, do, do, do, you all ready?

Let's do it. Well, well, well, well, hmm, mm-hmm, listen here, I guess I didn't make bell. started when I was nine years old. Woke up and daddy was gone. I started hustling and couldn't tell me nothing. Running up trying to be somebody. My soul is on that stand. I was surging for something.

I try to be good. I try to keep from trouble living too fast. And trying to make good on a hustle. So tell me to run, Tell me what I'm from I'm from. Time got the boys, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell me how to walk through her, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tell me how to walk through her, yeah, yeah. Tell me got to do a little dirty, yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, yeah. I'm trying to. Wanting nothing but to love somebody. They don't want to die on So they wouldn't find to be my family They have kids

And too like my daddy I'm so scared of family Sometimes you get home Coming from around Hmm Yeah Sometimes you got them on Sometimes you got them on

Yeah Got to cry a little louder. Oh, we're from what I'm from. Sometimes they have to fight the pain, yeah. Come from where I'm from. Sometimes he had to walk the ocean. Some of what I'm from. Sometimes go a little worry, yeah.

We're from where I'm from. Sometimes you get a lot out of touch, say, oh. Oh, frog. Sometimes I think I pray a little bit too much. Oh, from a little bit too much. Yeah. Come on, let's talk about this one. Yeah, this one right here, we might have to go in on this.

Yeah. Man. Ah, yeah. You seem like you wrote this from a place of personal knowledge. Yeah. Yeah. And some of the best songs come. You look at Gloria Gaynor.

Mm-hmm. She went through something to say, I will survive. Lenny Williams, he was really hurt. People don't remember when the TV used to go off at midnight. Yeah. And all it wasn't up to stay. Yeah, yeah. You talking about sometimes you've got to do things.

You've got to cry a little harder when you come from where. you come from yeah did did what there's some circumstances that put you in a situation that you probably shouldn't have been in absolutely absolutely you know and you know my dad we ended up bending our relationship for at least a good 20 years but wasn't around like i needed him to and i felt i felt betrayed and i you know he broke my heart and some things he said to me um and so on that when that happened to me i was on a quest to to make make something make him see that he messed up okay and so I grinded a little harder then my mom and I we had some situation I ended up getting adopted when I was

like 14 okay into a family so that unstable situation in my life it you know it made me work harder they put a little pain in their little grit yeah so you know I probably would sound a little bit like a Barry Maniloh had that not happened yeah that was that was that was pain you mentioned your your father wasn't around. So how old were you when he stopped coming around or was he ever around? He was around. I do remember, you know, a couple of outfits. You know, I spent the night a few times, but I was 16. I wanted to go hang out. I wanted a few dollars. Right. You know, he just told me he didn't have time for, you know, whatever. And at that moment, I took it upon myself

to make a decision. It's like, you know what? I'm going to take myself out the equation. Okay. you know, it wasn't until I was about to get married. My ex wanted to meet him, so she's big on family. So I called him. She was like, you're going to call your daddy and invite him? I said, I wasn't planning on it. Yeah, not really, but you know, I did. He was working at this, he was working at a golf course.

And I went over, ended up getting in contact with him, went over. And I asked him, you know, hey, I'm about to get married. And, you know, she wanted to know if you would be around. I don't know. I might have something to do. Damn. That's what he said. And so even that, I was like, all right, here we go. Right.

So we talked a little bit, and I told him when it was. And he was on the golf court. He was driving off. And for whatever reason, I said, I love you. Wow. I said that. Yes. And hadn't seen him in a while.

Right. And he rode for a little minute and I love you too. And from that, he came to the wedding. Wow. And we've been cool. We were cool every since. He just passed away. last year he was 81 sorry to hear that so i was there yeah absolutely but he lived you know

a great life and i was there you know yeah i didn't never question him about why whatnot why wasn't he there no i think that's you know i didn't need it correct it wasn't going to make me better we're going to change anything you can't get up a lost time we can just move forward from this point and move forward i can't go back and get back what was lost no you can't and i didn't want to waste the time trying to figure out something that neither one of us had the answers to is that what you really wanted to hear from your dad, you wanted your dad to tell you he loved you, you wanted to know that he loved you? I think so. I think because at that moment I felt like a little kid again. You know what I mean? And I didn't expect to say it. Right. No, absolutely not. I was like,

what are you doing? Right. You know, but I'm glad I did. And it was, had you not been getting married, had your soon-to-be wife not pushed you to go ask your dad, would he be attending the wedding would you have made would you have contacted or made connect made the connection i don't think it would have been the same if i had probably would have been probably at a funeral or something but probably not in that not in the same manner right and maybe maybe not maybe not you said uh your mom you ended up getting adopted at 14 yeah so was your mom so what happened in that situation that led you to be adopted by another family just my mom picking the wrong man i think and you know took her off her square so she wasn't her best stuff for a little while and so

i needed to be somewhere stable because i know i had to be this anthony hamilton right that people hear now and so i um i just prayed hard um and god delivered the family i need to be in did you always have this voice did you always know you wanted to be a singer you always wanted to be a mute an artist is that what you knew you always it wasn't football it wasn't basketball it wasn't anything else God gifted me this voice you know what when I was a little five four five years old I always said I'm gonna be famous singing but I didn't know what fame was right I just knew I wanted to do music right whether it be on I thought being on a train I was like I always thought about getting on the train

because I was fascinated by Amtrak right I'm gonna go on the train I'm just gonna go to different places I'm gonna sing right and I just never stopped believing in that and I just stayed with it and put it in the work actually my dad was almost signed a Motown. Really? So I get my voice from my dad and my and my mom side of the family, my uncles. I went to a funeral man and you're talking about singing. So Casey and Jojo are my family as well. Okay. So you're talking about some singing. Did y'all eat anything at the family? You just sing. Let's look at. Look, I think I was so fascinated by the voices. I forgot I was

hungry. So when I hit the road, my stone was growling. Like Johnson family vacation, how they got it? Steve Harvey. Yeah. I think that was sick. What did that said? see it in the same yeah um do you have siblings yes i do my mom had three of us i'm the middle my brother the younger my sister's the older and then i have three brothers on my on my other family wow actually just met two other another set of siblings my dad at his funeral there was a young lady and a and a and a man that came over and said hey i'm your brother and they had a birth certificate with my dad's name on it but i i didn't know Right.

I would have put them on the brochure. Exactly. He never mentioned that to you. I kind of remember the son's name. Okay. Vaguely. Okay. But not really.

Right. So now, you know, they'll call and I'm gone a lot. And so it's kind of weird for me to kind of just embrace it all the way. It's hard meeting somebody in the 50s. Yeah. I'm your brother. Yeah. And you just try to pick up.

Yeah, yeah. But there is one daughter that I keep in contact with. Okay. pretty strong but they're nice i'm trying right i'm trying that's it that's it's just weird it's weird your mom is your mom still alive no she uh yeah cancer some years back did you make amends with your mom did you have a conversation at your mom and says mom i i mean i did what i did because i felt i wasn't going to meet make my ultimate destination because of some things that you had around it wasn't you it was what you were around that caused me to do what i did absolutely um

You know, when she was transitioning, I was there. I had got her, I bought a house and put in a house, a first house with windows in the kitchen. And, you know, she was proud of me. And I was proud of her, too. She came a long way. We all came a long way. She actually got on the plane to come see me in New York.

It had never flown before. Wow. She got on there to come see her baby. She got on a plane by herself, never flown before. Never. And came to see me. I was living in Harlem at the time. But she came, yeah.

And we stayed in the city, in a hotel, and we actually went and had a beer together. Wow. Yeah. But yeah, I let that step go, man. Life is. Was it hard? To let it go? Yes.

Because sometimes, you know, people hold on the things. And, you know, my grandma should say, boy, teeth and tongues should fall out. But family never should fall out. Absolutely. You're going to go through things. Yeah. Yeah. But one day you're going to wake up and your parents aren't going to be there or a brother and sister not going to be there.

And you're going to say all the things you wish you had to say it. that you're never going to get an opportunity to say yeah you know what i think i've seen so many people missed that opportunity i just didn't want to do that you know you sometimes you got to learn from somebody else's mistake um and so i was just like i can't change it right you know i'm pretty sure they went through their own hell yes and their own you know beating them the selves up yeah yeah so who am i if i ain't god don't act like it and let's just start where we are When you get on social media and you see them got, they have TikToks and they have videos about, man, Anthony Hamilton making a song with dudes got to walk to work. It's funny, man.

It's encouraging, too, because, you know, people are not going to talk about something if it don't, if it don't affect them. Correct. So they do the beer jokes and all that I love it all. I repost it, you know. Yeah. It's good to be special. Flage tweeted, man, old school R&B really hits different. I'm listening to Charlene by Anthony Hamilton.

Send more like this. Charlene was released in 2003. Blasier was born in 2003. Kevin on stage said to make video for the heartbroken. I'm heartbroken. And we touched on this a little earlier. You're old school now. You're when, you know, like I said, it used to be Barry White.

It was Teddy Pendergrass and it was all the Smokey Robinson. When we were kids, that was old school. Now you're thought of in that same breath. that old school R&B, because, you know, you hear it all the time also. Absolutely. I ain't never been to no funeral. They didn't tell you nothing about you. No, man.

I didn't get the, I didn't get the, I ain't get the wake time or the funeral time. I think the, the rendition or the style of R&B that people are used to, it's in there. It's mixed in. The young kids just have their own way of expressing themselves. And that's some good stuff out there. Yes. You know, I just think times change and stuff moved. But the core of R&B and the core of soul music, it's in every rap song you ever heard, every country song, every church record.

It's there. I don't think it'll ever go anywhere. There's nothing better. I think the R&B that we're used to, because it used to be a lot of people did R&B. Yeah. How about this? Will R&B ever be what it was was? I think they're coming back

I think you have some of the newer cats digging it to and they're starting to sample a lot of 90s record they are they are and I think I think you're gonna have to go back

yeah yeah you can't keep dating so fast they're gonna get old they want to slow it down when the last time I slow drag I don't know

bad please come on slow down only at a wedding I mean with the maybe eighth grade baby senior you know yeah we got a slow down. Maybe we'll vote different than we

throw down. God so mighty, please. We're moving too fast. Boy, they're moving too fast. We're running past the bull. You know? Well, we're running past the bull. I mean, when you sit back and look at you, you look back like

where you started and where you are now, what are some of the differences that you see? Because like I said, some of the old school guys and now you're that old school guy. How have you tried to bridge the gap? You know what? I've done so many rap I've worked with. I have songs with, wow, Drake. I just did another one with Buster Rhyme, a second one with him, Jaderkiss, Young Jeezy, N. Ali Chopper. So that keeps me bridging

the gap. Mm-hmm. I sound like a sample, so they want to be a part of that soul world and they know where to come and get it, you know, just like the tones. Right. Certain voices you can't, you can't duplicate. They know, but they know. Yeah. That'd be Some people, like, no matter what, man, that's such and such. Yeah. So I think that's an advantage I have, just to sound so much like myself that if you want that sound, you got to come to me. You got to come to you. And so I always have a job.

Do, have you ever been in a situation if somebody sampled, and I asked LL, I've asked a lot of people that have had things sampled. Do you have to hear it before it comes out, or you just take their word for it? Do they go do your right? Look, I was just listening to something the other night. I had never heard. Really? Yeah, so French Montana, he, him and the Coke Boys, they did a since I sent you a song of mine with Jeremiah and Jeremy. I just heard that.

Okay. And yeah, every now and again, you'll hear it slip through, but they have to go through the label. Right. If they're going to try to sell it. But if they're just putting that out on the mixtape, that's cool. I don't even really sweat it. You know what I mean? No.

I mean, if they're sharing or somebody like that, I want my money. You know, you know, certain artists, you know, they may not move the needle enough for it to really matter. Right. But if there's somebody going to make some bread, I need to get a little something. Oh, yeah. I need a slice of that. Let me get that. Let me get that.

Let me get that. Let me get that. But no, you can't. You got to pick and choose what's going, you know. When you and I was talking and you said, if I come on club, Shesh, what's the one song? The one song you're going to want me to perform. Yeah. If I can only perform one, I said, her heart.

Man, I knew. I was like, he's going to. That's what you did. You text me back. I knew it. Look, that song, man, it's super huge in South Africa. Okay. And even here in the States, it's just a song that was written from a real place.

You know, I was cutting up. You know, I was out there. You got the bad head? Boy, I was just, yeah. I was out there, man, and, you know, cutting up. Just trying to find my way, man. And, you know, not a bad person. Just didn't always.

Made some decisions. Just made some decisions that was a little bow legged. All right, here he is. He's going to perform her heart, Anthony Hamilton. All right. Ah, yeah. I might cry on this one, Ed. Me too.

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Apple Podcasts, for wherever you get your favorite shows. My career was my excuse. until I saw you about to drown in your own tears. And as you heart in my arms, you woke up my heart, and I saw what I found in you found in you because her heart, her heart won't let me lose her. No matter how I try, I just can't say goodbye and lose her. folks were said and done. You were there to welcome me home. I was convicted because your love never wavered.

And I know you love me more than me. And you vowed to love to do anything. I've never had the kind of love that was forever And as you cried in my arms, you woke up my heart, and I saw what again, what I found in you found in you. Because her love, her love won't let me lose her. Her love won't let me lose her. No, oh. And lose her.

No. Because her heart, her heart, it won't have you lose her. said a heart won't let me lose No matter how I try I can't say goodbye No matter how I try No matter how I try

I just can't say goodbye And lose her No matter how I try I just can't say goodbye say good bye and loo oh oh yeah well i felt that one hey man i had to fill it for years man man yeah he said you had a habit of messing up i let you down a thousand times broken promises in a situation like that um my grandpa should say promises like pie crust they're

thin and easily broken good god almighty when you make promises like that maybe i'm going to do this but then something comes up there's only so many times she's going to accept something came up absolutely you mentioned that you know you was acting up you was all bow-legged out there yeah bow-legged in one leg not both with just one yeah you're a bad boy there yeah I was ragging at one so too often so how do you how do you how do you how do you go to how do you go to her and then and try to fix it after a while I just didn't try you didn't oh you know what I mean I felt like you know my words were in vain you know I let you down too many times and you know it's probably best for me to right let you be and let you get what you deserve and uh

Was it hard? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know? After you've been, did you try to go back? Does this person know that this song is about her? I'm pretty sure they do. You know, the first time in earlier in the relationship, you know, you try and you, I'm going to do better and you do good for a long, long, long time. And you go to church and you get double baptized.

You really try. You're really trying. I really want to work, babe. You try. And I think, you know, you have to, maturity in different areas of your life come at different times. It does. When you're not sure of who you are, you don't know how to, you don't know how to be the best version of yourself at that point. So I was learning. Even though I was a grown man, I was learning. You know, it was a different life. A lot throwed at you, you know, when you're in this arena. You know, so how hard was it to watch a cry and to know that you're the reason for those tears? Pretty hard. You know, you cry. You know, you tie yourself to the bed and you watch the passion of the Christ over and over again.

You just try your best to just, I got to suffer too. Yeah, okay. You know, I just put it on repeat. You know, so yeah, it's not a good feeling. You know, especially when your intentions are not. hurt anyone right but how does the i'm just trying to how you you put that together in a song like we were talking about it earlier some of the best songs come from a place of hurt yeah and and although you weren't on the receiving end you was hurting also because the person that you cared about you were hurting her with your actions and damn baby i'm hurting you but i can't stop doing what i'm doing oh that's that's the that's hard but you're poor another one and you just you try to numb it yes you know and and you know that can be a problem too yes um i was talking and i heard someone said a lesson not learned in blood is destined to be repeated yeah so you've got to

really really hurt you said something very interested that you know a wise man learned from others mistakes a fool has to learn from its own yeah you want to like see something and you probably saw it in this industry people had wives and had great relationships yeah yeah and messed it all up and you probably said man they ain't gonna be me yeah ain't gonna be me hey i know what i got at home and i'd be damn boy if i didn't do the same thing that i said i wouldn't let happen you know and that's you know that's why you have to humble yourself and a lot of times you do it you you get to a place you feel like you're above, you know, those circumstances. Yes.

And you move carelessly. And sometimes we, you know, God has tried to get our attention in private. But sometimes we have to expose us so we can really pay attention. And, you know, I've been there. He said, I was trying to get your attention. Now I got your undivided attention. I had to sit you down. I said, can you turn that down?

Is this thing on? Because somebody lights off. Can you turn that out? You said men use career. as an excuse. Yeah. Isn't that a pretty good excuse? It is when it, when it's, when it's, you know, genuine.

But when, you know, you're at the studio, but you're not at the studio. That ain't that, that's not a good, that's not a good excuse. You look at, you look at you at the light and they're at the light too. It's just not. Oh, man. Portable studio, huh? I mean, that's just, I just made that. Yeah, he made that up.

He wasn't that reckless now. No, no, no, no. Went too bad. I was pretty good. Men cry. I mean, sometimes, you know, men say, man, I can't cry. That's a sign of weakness. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's the upteenth vulnerability.

Yeah. And a lot of times men have a hard time being vulnerable in front of someone they care about because they don't want the woman to use that against them. Absolutely. You know what? I've done it. I think during the Charlene days, I felt like they were taking advantage of, of my tears.

They saw it as a sign of weakness. And the minute I was able to get my strength enough to get up and get out and get back on my feet, I had to realize, like, wow, maybe that wasn't a person. I thought they were in those situations, you know. But now I cry, I'll cry on stage. I cry whenever, you know. If it hits me, it hits me.

Either the situation, if I tell you, it doesn't matter, man to woman, woman, to man. If I tell you something in confidence, if I tell you something that that made me vulnerable, should the other person ever bring that up and use that against them? If you have bad intentions, yeah. But if you really care about that person, I think that's certain things that stay within the ring that you guys created. Because you know that, okay, so I know how he feels. I know how she feels about that. And I know if I bring that up, I know what it's going.

I know the kind of response is going to elicit. Yeah, that's control in a way. You want to be able to have control of their triggers. So you can manipulate their emotion. And next thing, you know, whatever you're going to get out of it, you get it for as long as you can until they catch on. Do they catch on? You know what?

It's funny that you say that. My grandfather used to have a saying, say, boy, you got to be careful to let people know what make you tick. They'll wind you up and make you tick when they want you to. You ain't lie. You're like, hold on. I ain't want to do that. It's like, you know, what was that, do the right thing?

When mama would tell him, come down, he can't hit that dance for me, he didn't hit that dance for me. And Gaynor would hit that dance for. Yeah. But is it, is crying, a man crying. Mm-hmm. Is that a sign of weakness or a sign of strength?

I think it's a sign of freedom. Mm. I think, I think if you're free, you can express yourself. Yeah. Yeah. And whether you're weak for a moment, that's fine. Yes.

You know, I think we have this thing of men, And there's, you can't be weak and you can't have a day off of being strong. And I think that's, that's why, you know, so many people blow their brains out or get on drugs or, you know, don't make it back. Right. Because just one or two days off from being, you know, from not being Superman is, it's okay. Right. Is that a thing that men feel that they have to be Superman, but because they have to wear that armor, they don't want someone to see them in a vulnerable state. Because as you mentioned, sometimes people see in a vulnerable state and they feel they feel they

can take advantage of absolutely and you know it's it's looked at his weakness right or or lack a lack of whatever it is that makes you a man and I don't think that's that's the truth at all in the song I cry mama told me that men that man's own tears can make him strong yeah it does it makes you strong you you start to feel alive and you start seeing where my strengths are where my weaknesses are And then you get to know yourself. So now you maneuver and you move a different way. And, you know, not to the beat of somebody else's drum, not to the, you know, somebody else's emotions.

Like you said, a ticking. Yes. Yeah. So once you learn yourself, you move on your own. Right. So when you were in school, when you were in school, Anthony, so what type of student? What type of person were you when you were younger?

I could have absolute donkey and clad. And I'm getting it back. One of my, you know, you know, I was a good, I was respectful, but I was, I was a clown. Yeah. I'm really silly. You hear these songs, people think he's all, you know, he's just, he's too deep. Yeah. But now I'm a clown.

I'm silly. You know, I like the attention of making people laugh. You know, I like to make people laugh. So what did the teacher say, Anthony, get out of class. Yep. Yep. Get out. Go to the office.

Right. You know, back then you get, you get paddled. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. That's probably why some of the kids got bad because they ain't, ain't no paddling. And parents ain't, ain't, ain't, oh, we're talking now. We put you in time out.

No time up. You've been out of the food. Time up. I like that. So I was down in a place called Maxton, North Carolina. Okay. Biker rally thing. So my boys, I took my boys with them.

And, you know, this older guys, some of them probably had been in the Army. And they got the tussling and all that. So there really wasn't no kids out there. They got the tussling and that energy. Older man was like, hey, hey, hey now, hey, y'all cut that out, all that, all that, that energy. You know, and sometime you, you have to really, you have to really, really allow the community be a part of raising your kids and raising you. And like you said, learning from your mistakes. That was a moment that they learned.

told them already you have to watch your energy because your energy can affect somebody else and that at that moment that was a teachable moment for me to let them know like this is what I was trying to tell you and so it took somebody outside of the household to be that parental voice and they didn't even know this man but I just wanted them to feel like a sense of like when I grew up how we were raised yeah it took took the community. It didn't have to be your parent who would discipline you. It didn't have to be someone that

knew you per se, but it was just the fact that we were able to teach outside of the house. Nowadays, the kids, they'll shoot you or kill you if you say anything to them. It's a different day and time. It's funny that you say that, Anthony, because

we were having a conversation, Ocho and I was having a conversation on nightcap, how to community if you were doing something wrong. Aren't you, Mary and Barney, grand boys, which one of you? You Shannon the spanking. I'm Shannon. Hey, do they know you down here? Yeah. All right. Stop all that cursing. Stop all that talking.

Yeah. You know, and it shocked my boys, you know. I was like, that's old school training. Yes. That's how it should be, you know. The younger generation, they're missing that. You got another song, Cornbread,

fish, and collard greens. I'm hungry, too. That's, that, that seemed like a dish. That seemed like your favorite dish. You know what? And I don't think it is one of my favorite dishes, but I think it represents different things. The cornbread, it's, you know, it's the foundation. Yes. Solid. You got to get something to stick to your wheels, boy. And the greens, keep things clean around there. Yeah. And that fish, you learn how to move. Right. So, yeah. You want to talk about it. Hey, y'all want you to perform. And then we're going to talk. We're going to dive in deeper.

All right. Tart sauce or hot sauce. Hot sauce. All right. You all right. You all right. All right. Cold slough? No, no cold slop. Oh, man, I thought you was all right. Give me extra hurt's purpose. Okay. You brought yourself back. When I heard you say what you said to me

You're every duty sight Looking like you're working up an appetite For the night, check it. By 10 that I said at the bag Keeping you out, the way you act Every string attack You're getting out of line And I'm yacking your back in your place

All is well and all it's cool Stay in your place, don't be no fool Get along the right You look like the type They will try to bite Mm-hmm Best all been a friend to me You don't want to offend

Me, better play it cool. Don't know what I might do. Corrid fishing collard greens, I got what you need. If you want, because I'm a pimp, babe. If you're boned. Because I'm a pimp girl. Oh, whoa. I got what you need.

If you're bonies. I can rock you world. If you're boned. You can walk around like your shit don't stand. Come on to you. Oh, baby girl, I'm on the yellow Take it slow, change the speed If it's full for thought that you really need

But a stage you claim Get with it, stay in lane, stop swerving Take the seat and sit in the bag I don't appreciate the way you act You need to fix yourself Hurry up and go fix yourself Can't kill nothing, want nothing die Everything's gonna pass you back

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Oh, what you need. I got it. You're wanting. Because I'm a pimper, baby. You're wanting. Hope the fish and God of things. I got what you need. If you're born it.

If you want it, if you want it, cornbread fish and carl and dream. Man. Time to eat. Ah. You said this song is about approaching a woman. I think I said like, I forget where I read it at, but this says like only 25%, I think it's like from 8%. Some of the kids now have never asked a woman

out of a person out on a date. Wow. And you see on social media, they'll be standing right next to a person. Hey, see me this person. Who is this person? Yeah. Yeah. You were standing right now. You

were standing right next to the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Excuse me. What's your name? Excuse me. What's your name? What happened to being able to walk up to someone we're in a different time now. So you have to be careful. Yeah. Walking up to someone says, hey, my name is Shannon. How are you doing?

What's your name? I think social media kind of mess up the intimate part of getting to know people. Yes. You know, you don't want to do the work. You want the instant gratification. So I think just pushing a button is easier than me finding out like what she really likes. Right. You know, just interacting with somebody.

Well, if that computers. I think the thing is, Anthony, also, is that when you look at a person and you watch what they post, we feel after we see 15, 20 posts, we kind of know what that person like. We kind of know who that person is. Yeah. Instead of doing the deep dive and doing the homework, we just taking a snapshot of what we see.

Okay, they post this, they're eating there, the end this, they end there. Okay, so that's what that person liked to do. Have no idea. That could be a lot of this, look, social media is not real. Absolutely. It is not real.

They post the best stuff. And the stories, you know, that story probably happened five years ago. You know, all you got to do is put a filter on it. Everybody on social media got me feeling broke. They're in the Maldives. They're everywhere. They're in South Africa.

They got all these cars. They're eating at these nice restaurant. I'm looking at my pocket. I say, man, I've got a hole in my pocket. Look, I'll see all the time. If I see one more broke person outliving me, I'm going to, look, I got to change my life, man. Yes. Yeah.

But when when maybe it was always like this. Yeah. But we didn't have social media to be able to judge. But when do we become so obsessed with impressing the other person? You know what? I think it goes way back before we got here, you know, you know, we want to be accepted. I think wanting to be accepted and feeling like you've been broken away from what's truly important. Important.

And, you know, when you told that you're not this, you're not that, you're not worthy, then you want to express yourself in a way to make people feel like you got it all. Right. And that's not the case. I think you spend more time trying to show up to people that are not even looking. If you, if you, they ain't really looking at you. No. No.

Not really. If you knew how little people cared about you. They don't get about it. You would care less than what they thought about you. Absolutely. But people go out of their way because people actually think people actually care. Yeah. About what they do, what they say.

They don't. And if they do, it's infinite. They're quick. Yeah. Now they're on to the next. Not giving the dog about that person. Being from North Carolina, obviously, sole food.

I mean, North Carolina have a real, but you get a meal. If somebody says, okay, Anthony, we're going to cook. Sunday dinner. Yeah. What you're having to prepare? Shoot, man, Sunday dinner. Okay, definitely potato salad. Okay.

With eggs in it. Okay. Pekheds or raisins on it? Man. You know. Come on, Fido. Come here, Fido. Fido,

Fido can get that. You know, I like turkey wing, baked turkey wings. Okay. And fried fish. Cairfish, whiting, Mully, Croker. Croca.

Oh, cowboys. Perch, whiting. This man, any of it. Country, country. Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about you corn carb in an outhouse country. Absolutely.

You know, I want gravy under the rice and on top of the right. Ha, ha, ha. I don't know. I thought this man is going to say, this man said Whiting, this man said croaker, this man said perch. Yeah, you know, you can get into the, uh, rich snapper a little later. But, you know, man, you don't want no sea baths, no dover soul. I mean, that's fine.

That's, you know, you get this over there. But that is for Sunday dinner. Not that Sunday. Not on my socks. You want that thing, Friday. You want it, fry. You want it come right about the grease. Not when my socks is, when them dusty socks is out.

That I want that. I want that real deal. So are you, uh, are you. So you're not, so you're a fish type of guy. You don't, you don't eat, you don't eat red meat? I haven't had red meat in some years, but I'm about to backslide and get some oxtails. I just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, but they're doing too much with oxtails right now.

They're putting octaves and tacos. They put them in a case of, come on, y'all. You can't put ox tail in every, everything ain't meant to have oxtails in it. Yeah, you can't have ox tail rabioli. Yeah, come on. No, come on. No, no. That might be good now.

Come on. Come on. I'm not what the saying. It's a little weird. Shrimp and grits. Yeah. Fishing grits. All that.

But you want some oxtails and grits? I mean, oxtails so good you can just get it. I'll put them on white bread and handle bar. Hold that bread and put the knuckle. So the bread come through here. See, I figured that's how you're going to do the fish. They come right up by the grids. Oh, absolutely.

I just had some down in Maxton. They put the white bread on there. They did the fried coleslaw. I didn't get the coastline. I had the hot sauce. Yeah. God, dog. Mmm, mustard.

You put mustard on your fish? What, right around the side? Come on, shit. No, I just want hot sauce. You got to, come on, try it. No, just the hot sauce. Try, man, I'm telling you. But I can't, I mean, I can't, I don't think I had croaker or mullet or whiting since. Nah, see, that is, see, they got bones in it. I don't want that, no.

I almost choked on the bar. I just started eating fish. I just started eating fish probably about 10 years ago. You know what? You got a whole loaf of bread trying to get it out. You know, you got to eat that bread to get it down. I had one that got stuck here when I was little, and I didn't eat fish for at least about 10 years.

Yeah, absolutely. I'm back. But the other day, I was at home, eating a little too fast. The bone was right. Got that bread, did. Well, I thought I was a golden doodle, boy, I was trying to get it out of there. Yeah, yeah, I did. But thank God it didn't, man, because I was like, man, I'm enjoying fish, you know.

I've been through that. But it's scary. Right. So you stopped eating red meat. Were there any particular reason that you stopped eating red meat? I went vegan for two and a half years. Okay. How was that?

It was good. You know, at that moment, I was trying to figure out the healthier stuff to eat. Okay. Because everything vegan ain't good. No. That stuff got more stuff in and anything. Exactly. So if you're doing like raw and, you know, real stuff, then that's healthy.

You know, the beyond and all that, different burgers. It's okay to transition and have some time, but you can't make that a lifestyle either. Right. So I just wanted to clean up, clean up a little bit. I said, you can't have liquor and all the meat. I'll pick and choose what, choose what I choose wisely. You can't choose out. You can't have all the bad habits.

I did it, Ma. You know, yeah, you just have to pick and choose. You can't put everything. You got to have a good balance. One of your big breaks in the industry came, if I'm not mistaken, you were a backup singer for DeAngelo, correct? Yeah, yeah. And how did that, because I think Luther was a backup singer for Roberta Flack.

And there have been a lot of people that started out as backups. and they all moved to the front. How do you think that helped your career? You know what, man? That was one of the most, man, just the most exciting and just the deepest learning I've ever done. Like I didn't go to four-year college, but I felt like that was a university

that you couldn't even pay to get in. You had Pino, Pino, you had Roar Hargrove, Jacques Schwarzenbach, and Russell Gunn, all these, Dante Winslow. And so for me to learn what true musicianship is, how to control the stage, how the band should play, the dynamics, and all the things I learned. I saw the world through a different lens. And I was able to learn how to lead from learning how to follow. You know what I mean?

He was a great leader. He knew music, like deep, deep. like he was an alien right yeah it was just like prince and james brown and cats who just come once in a lifetime once or twice yeah de angelo was one of those how how did this happen how did you go how did it happen that you ended up being a uh a singer in it's when i when i was signing uptown i had an album called ecstasy okay they spelled it x tc and i hated it but it was called ecstasy and uh keelaw maxenberg was working with him at the time and so he would come over to tone and poke in the studio and played brown sugar and we would play a few songs off of ecstasy and so it was

almost like a rival and when my album never came out he asked hey what was that guy that was supposed to had you know come out around the time they say man he's not doing it in a deal for it and asked if i would do background and uh at this moment i was signed a soul life sunshine Anderson had heard it all before and it was all taken over the world and I begged my label to let me go out I said it'll make me a better artist if you let me please let me go out and sing background now I was intimidated Yeah because you know my musical ear and stuff is not as as as you know intricate as his and it all the detailed backgrounds and the timing on it you know I'm just bred and water right right right and so

So I had to learn a lot, I had to really pay attention, but it made me sharper. It just made me a better artist all around. Why wasn't that hard? Because here you are, you own, your own, your standalone, and you're wanting to go out and you wanted to be a background singer to someone else. You didn't feel that that was insulting? No, I put my ego aside. I felt like, you know, this is something, this is a different movement.

You know, to be a part of this, this is going to be history. right a different type of history and to be a part of that man i was like only a fool would turn that down wow you actually perform one time with him how does it feel correct you go on stage absolutely every night for over a year we toured the whole world brazil everywhere we did a european tour for shoot four three four months right two months however long we were gone we were gone a long time you still kind of do a rendition of it right Yeah, man. I love that guy, man. I want to make sure his music lives in my house and everybody else's house as long as I can. All right. You're going to perform. How does it feel? And then we'll get back and talk about DeAngelo in your relationship.

Absolutely. Let's do it. All righty. How does it feel? Girl, that's all to you, have it your way, have it your way. And if you won't, you can decide. And if you have me, I can provide me. provide everything that you desire, babe. Let me get a feeling, a belief that I feel here. Don't you come closer to me, Baby, yeah, said you already got me right when you want me, girl.

And I just want to be your man. And I want to be a man. Tell me how it feels the air. How does it feel? Yeah. I said I won't know now. How does it feel? Oh, how does it feel?

Me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

How does it feel? I want to take you away from here, baby. How does it feel? Take it back to my little wheel, back on home. How does it feel? I don't know what I'm talking about, baby, baby. How does it feel? How does it feel?

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really? Yeah it was me Below and Karen Bernard was a singer background that's the first set of background singers damn DiAngelo had some hitters yeah man and you know just he was excited

and he was just like fans of every texture that we brought to the table and you guys were remained in touch you guys were a friend but unfortunately you missed the last time he got the last phone call. Did you know he was sick? No, I didn't know, man. I didn't, I hadn't. I found out maybe, ooh, I found out maybe two, two or three weeks before, two weeks before. He, his passing, but he had called me

like a week prior to that. And I was in a dressing room getting ready. And I heard the phone. I said, I'll get in a minute. I went. I was out. I said, just as deep. I put his name under something different. Yeah. I put it under D bully. Yeah. And I said, man, that's D. I know that's D'Angelo.

So I called him back a few times and he didn't pick up. Yeah. You think about what he wanted to say. Obviously, you didn't know he was sick. You didn't know this would possibly be the last time that you guys would ever talk. Yeah. You have that regret of not answering that call? You know what?

It's not because we talk so much and I just kind of know kind of how it would probably start off. He called me Aunt Jeezy. Aunt Jeezy. And, you know, I think his spirit is speaking to me. Yes. Yeah, I think I kind of

know what he would say. I don't think he would have poured all the heavy stuff on me. No. But he would let me know like, man, I appreciate you. I love you and, you know. Right. Where were you when you got the news that he had passed? I was We were on the road Yeah

I think Right before Wasn't it right before the Atlanta show I had a show in Atlanta Yeah He died of pancreatic cancer Why is that so important for black men To get tested early

Because if you catch something early enough That's the chance that you can beat it Yep You know with proper diet And you know and you know medical attention i think i think some stuff we can turn it around yes we got a better chance yes i uh i was uh called prostate cancer early wow so uh my father my father died at 39 he had two brothers that didn't make it a 50 of cancer so i knew based on that i had a high

probability so i started getting tested at 35 wow that's good went in for a routine it's like you know what you're at the age we're going to do a colonoscopy okay nope we don't think to anything ain't no symptoms. PSA level was fine, come back. My doctor, the urologist, he didn't call me. It was someone else that called. So now my antenna's up. I'm like, OK.

He's always called me when everything's OK. Now somebody else is like, this is such and such. I was like, OK. OK. You see like Mr. Sharp, we did find we think you're fine right now. Yeah. But we're just going to monitor it. And a couple of months later, I went in, got everything taken care of, and I've been smoothed ever since.

That's good, man. You know, I just did a colonoscopy, got all my heart. Oh, yeah, yeah, yep, EKG, all the internal organs I did all, hey. Yeah, yeah. What the premiums cost? Yeah, yeah. I'll be, eh, I'll be near Mark. Yeah.

They steal a little trouble, okay. Hey, I'm getting everything. Hey, I'm getting my buddy work. Yeah, you have to, man. You know, you know, and I speak out about, you know, getting your colonoscopy and all that stuff. Yeah, get all that stuff. Yeah. So, you know, I'm getting my grown man checkups.

Yeah. And it feels good. You can rest. Because there was a moment when I wasn't going. It's like, I don't trust the doctor. I don't trust them doctors. They're trying to kill me anyway. But, you know, you have to, you have to know what you should be working on, if anything.

Right. Yeah. So maybe you have to change your eating habits. And, you know, we, you know, it's hard. It's hard because we've eaten a certain way for so long. I remember my grandmother, her last couple of years, she's like, baby, granny, go, granny going to die away. Go get me some fried shrimp.

I know, that's right. And so, you know, what I was like, you know, hey, we sneakie, go get a Friday. I mean, she was 89 years of age. Oh, man. That's a nice run, man. A great life. Yeah, it's great life.

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