Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Anthony Hamilton Part 2

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

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welcome to sacred lessons listen to sacred lessons on the IHart Radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. Also someone you were very close to, Angie Stone. Yeah, man. And she tragically lost her life in an automobile accident.

And then you had to sing. You sung at the funeral. So in both of them. Yeah. That's pretty hard. And they wanted me to go and view her body. And before going to view it, I was just like, I don't want to see her. up and mangled up I just don't want to see that right it's hard enough that you know

she's gone and the way she left right and so she's like no just come please and I went and she looked amazing I'd never seen anybody laid the rest looking so peaceful and she had a smirk on her face like I told y'all I'm serious man in in all Angie Stone fashion right so it's good to be able to to to be there for a family man What's one of your favorite Angie's story? So me and Angie were working on the duet that we had. And we were in New York City down in the village. And we had let out the studio at 4 a.m.

And it was a blizzard. So we had to all get in the same cab. First we had to get a cab that wanted to pick our black tails up. And so we ended up, you know, slipping and sliding in the snow. And that was one of the funniest things. Because, you know, Angie, she almost busts up, but, and we laugh about it. Right. And just being on tour, we did a silken sandpaper tour.

So we always would bring that blizzard, the snowstorm in New York City and, you know, country. We're country. We weren't used to that. Right. Angie and DiAnglo have a son. I mean, it's got to be tough for him. Oh, man. He loses his mom, tragically.

Now tragic passing of his father. And now he's motherless and fatherless. I can't I can't imagine I can't even imagine I can't I wouldn't want to want my kids to ever have to go through that or anyway yeah yeah I just I just pray for him I was to make God comfort him in a way send him the best person that can help mend that did you go to the Drake and the Drake DiAngelo show in Toronto absolutely yeah I did yeah actually I went with Drake but did you see DiAngelo okay yeah I was down there working with Drake um and uh He was like, D'Angelo's in town. It's like, let's go. So we all, you know, got in this big car, Bentley or Rose, whatever, one of them big cars, taller than me. And we went and we saw the show, man. Right.

Yeah, it was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. You wanted these unique artists that you can really cross over, like you mentioned, you can do rap. You collect, you know, Jada kiss and Drake and some of these others. Is that something that you always? drive did you always want to be like you know what i mean collaborating with other rnb yeah that's easy because we've seen that so much but to see the crossover peel which you have you know i always knew i love music and i understood it if i heard it if it's a rap song i know how to be anthony hamilton on it

okay the country songs i've done with just turner and john rich from big and rich i'm a country boy i know it right rock carlo santana i know i know what it means and i know what it should feel like and i love it So, you know, it's just, it's an extension of who I am. I never feel like I'm out of my character. Right. So it's just, it's fun. Would you do a country, I album? Absolutely.

I have so many country songs, and I'm actually working on one. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Because I think it's so impressive because not a whole lot of people are willing to take that risk, that you be one genre and I know you for this, and that I'm willing to step out of my comfort zone and do that. I tilt my hat off to Beyonce.

Absolutely. Because she's at the top of it. She's at the top of the here. She's here. She's a pantheon. Yeah. And she say, you know what? I'm going to do something else.

I'm going to do this. Yeah. You have to be brave in today's society because it's people that want to control your destiny and your happiness and, you know, dictate who you should be for them. When he's like, no, I know who I want to be. And I know all the many me's I want to be. So you just have to go for it. When you're at, I think Drake calls his house the embassy, you go there and you're recording.

Yeah. Do you ever get in awe when you meet people? You've met a lot of famous people. You had a company. You was at the White House and you met President Obama and you met Mr. Mandela and you met all these. Do you ever get, do you ever get an awe? Do you ever like, man, I'm just a country boy from North Carolina. And here I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm him.

Yeah. Yeah. The first time going to Prince House was like, whoa, this is. In Janassiz, huh? In Minneapolis? I went, I went to the... Janice's house, that's... Yeah, I went to the, what's the name of the studio?

Paisley Park. Paisley Park. I went to Paisley Park. Okay. But his house is in L.A. Okay. So after the award shows, he has these big jam sessions. So you had Stevie Wonder on Keys, Questlove on drums, like everybody. Wow.

There after these shows, and he wants me to sing. But I'm trying to party. I'm trying to get him a little drink and go down here in the hot. He would always fire me, says somebody to find me to make me come insane. I remember one time I was singing the Lord's Prayer. He was that, Anthony, he must have got in some trouble or something. He was a funny cat, man. We were sitting and watched some of you two, me, him and Shelby Johnson,

Shelby Jay, who was one of the last singers to sing with the Prince. But another country, just a southern girl. Is it true that he wouldn't let people eat? eat, drink, smoke at one of his sessions? So DiAngelo was supposed to go, we were supposed to go meet Prince years ago with DeAngelo, and we were all excited, but when he said all that, you know,

the drinking and the smoking and all that, Dee was like, man, forget that. You know, but it wasn't out of, you know, no disrespect, it was just like, I don't want to be uncomfortable, and I don't want to make y'all uncomfortable. But Prince turned, he turned around, though eventually you know we were able he had food he had drinks and just I

think he started to change right you know I think when you start to grow and realize like hey my path is my path and yours is yours so we can all be here at the same time and have a good time what was it like meeting mr. Mandela we know his story 20 plus years in Robbins Island what he fought for the having to work and the work Corey's being beaten and and still He forgave his oppressors. You know what? I was supposed to have met him, and he had taken sick.

So as I was flying out, basically they were taking him to the house that he was born in. So unfortunately, I didn't get to meet him, but I met his family, the rest of all his kids and family. I sat in his house on his couch, and I was like, this is amazing. You know, the spirit of who he was, it was permeating throughout that house. It was very strong. Do you ever get nervous around famous people? I think it's harder for me to sing at award shows. Really?

Yeah, for some reason, I feel like there's so much judgment. They judge me. They judging me, you know? And I don't get a chance to, you don't get a chance to warm it up. Right. So in my shows, I can coast warm it up and get to where my sweet spot. Yeah. You got to be able to be sweet on goal.

I'm the bustle. Yeah. And I think that's one of the challenges that took the longest. Right. Yeah. You got an opportunity to perform in front of President Obama and Michelle Obama. Oh, absolutely. A few times I've been to the White House.

He invited me to his birthday party as well after that. That was pretty surreal too. Yeah. Yeah. They take your phone. So you ain't in there taking pictures and all that. So he was able to walk around and just be. And have a good time.

Absolutely. He came and talked to me and I took my son, one of my sons, and he came and spoke So that's for at least a good 10 minutes. Wow. Just down the earth, man. And I met Michelle a few different times. Getting to your writing, is it only natural, can you be a great artist without being a great writer? Absolutely.

I think a hit record can change anybody's life, whether you wrote it or anybody else. I think the music makes way for the artist to be either great or just mediocre or good. You wrote the writer on Daniel Jones, you know what's up. Yeah, co-wrote that, yeah. So I'm always fascinated is that when you write a song, do you have anybody particular in mind when you're cool? Like if you just write a song, do you have somebody particular in mind

that you want to give this piece to? Absolutely. A lot of times you do. A lot of times just like, this sounds like R. Kelly. This sounds like Beyonce. This sounds like her or Jasmine Sullivan. You hear that person's voice.

Because the music represents a different, a certain sound. Okay. And for the Donnell Jones, we actually went in to write for him. Okay. So these guys are the same writers that wrote for Jaheim. Mm-hmm. And so they had a really nice sound. But I didn't know that song was going to be a success.

Right. So when you go, so let's just say for the sake of argument, I'm an R&B singing, and I call people there. I was like, look, I want you guys to help me write something for my album. Yeah. So we invite, what do you invite? five, six, seven people in and you guys sit around and they get, do you just go or do they give you a kind of a direction to go in?

I think you, you start throwing out ideas. Okay. And sometimes that's challenging because, you know, their ideas can, can, kind of, you know, make you lose your train of thought. Okay. And sometimes you get in the studio with people who are greedy there because they know if you wrote back in the day, if you wrote more, more words, you get more, more And so those are the writers you want to stay away from.

But I think you throw ideas out, whatever's the strongest, tends to stick out. I remember being in writing Y for Jada Kids. I think it was for real and a whole bunch of people were in the studio. A lot of producers and writers. And it was me that went in and started saying, Oh, that I've been giving, it's pain that I've been living. And everybody had been trying to get that hook.

Right. And it wasn't until I did that. that it's like that's the strongest thing we've heard right and it's different so it just takes that one line that it's like I'm a dog on my mutt right when you hear a line like that it's like okay we got to pay more attention to this writer right because they got they got it you know so it just it depends on the session the sound the music and the group of people you with so you said the old days the more lines you wrote the more you got paid Is it still like that currently?

I think now people are more, you know, it's more of a, hey, that's split it down the middle. Okay. Because the paperwork is a headache. Yeah. I wrote 0.5%. That's just split it three ways. Right. And I think a lot of times, it's more of a barter system now.

You are wrote and sung a Tupac's Thugs Mansion. Yeah. When you hear that? So, I mean, how do you? I mean, I wouldn't, I ain't gonna lie, and I ain't picturing you and pop. You know, man, I'm a thug, I'm a thug out here in these streets. Nah, man, Tupac was one of my favorites.

Yeah. He had a different delivery man, and when I got the call to be a part of that, I jumped on it right away. And just started writing, ain't no place I'd rather be. Only place is right for me. I styled chromed out paradise in the sky. I was like, what would he want me to say how would the heaven that he's speaking about what would it look like and so i just had to go from

pop's you know perspective point of view or his idea idea and and and that's what you came so you have like when you say when you're writing i have i i kind of have an idea of who this person is in kind of direction that they like to go so and you says a lot of time it might you have to be careful because it'll suppress your natural ability to write because you get so caught up and trying to to write something specifically for them. A lot of times you do that and you miss the mark. Sometimes you think, oh, I'm going to write a song like what he's already used to, something in that vein.

But no, they called you in for a reason. For a reason for you to give him something a little different. Yeah. Get them out of their, you know, out of their box. Do you like for them to say, look, you write? Don't work. We're going to take what we take, but you just write. Don't worry about that you're writing this for me.

this about whatever you just i want you to be i brought you in it because you're anthony hamilton and you have an ear you have an eye i just want you to do that yeah i i like when you know you get that freedom but after you do it a certain amount of times you have some success under your belt you kind of going to go in and do it how you do it now i'm going to do to anthony hamilton every time right so and if they don't need that much then i'll dial it back right but from the gate, I'm going to give them what I think. And the Tupac song, did you feel pressure? I think I was so excited that it

outshined the pressure. You know what I mean? Like, this is Tupac. I got to get this. You better not fill this one. Don't mess this up, man. Man, I wouldn't, you know, and did like research, you're like, man, that's Anthony Hamilton. Yeah. Yeah, man. Do you get surprised? Do people get surprised when they know that certain songs that you, like, man, I ain't know you wrote that. Yeah, yeah, a lot of times. Certain songs, yeah. Especially the Donnell Jones, people didn't know that I had a hand in that. You got to win your Grammy with Al Green. And you know Al Green,

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Yeah. So I was in the studio with Al. So they invited, they said, if he said, say the certain word or cold word, that makes he's ready to go. Right. And he ain't feeling you. So I didn't ask for no pictures. I didn't do none of that. So we're in the studio. He come in.

Hey, how are you doing that? And so it's time to sing. And, you know, I was on a mic here and I'm on a mic over here. And I'm like, I'm about to lose it. Not only am I excited for myself, but my mom and my aunts. Now they think I'm somebody. Right. earlier in my career there's like cut out all that racket cut out all that noise the moment i said

you know i'm singing with all green i'm doing a song with all green oh baby i knew he's gonna make it i was already y'all had already been singing but this was big for for my whole family right yeah because we because in the south of you i mean al is al is it everybody my mom my aunts my grandmother uh knew who al green was yeah hey yeah put that al green on absolutely In my day, I, you know what I mean? So, I mean, I still get chilled. I want my pitching now, though, Al, Al Green. It's Al Green, Reverend Al.

Wherever you are out there, I want my picture now. I'm looking at some of the collabs that you've been with. The Roots, Babyface, Knives, Rick Ross, Ambrosia, Marcia Ambrosia, E, 40, Jennifer Hudson, Jill Scott, Jeezie, Chris Brown, Meek Mill, Eve, Jadicus. Wow. right that's a very eclectic group there there are some similarities but there are some vast differences wow yeah is that is that when you got into this business is that kind of direction that you wanted like not just be in one box you wanted to be in a lot of different boxes i just wanted

to work with all the people who i thought were great i wanted to work with uh you know people who were moving the needle yeah you know and so being able to do that man it's been a it's been an honor and a blessing. Right. So, yeah, because you don't know. Once you get into business, you think you have an idea of what's going on, but you really don't know how things are going to go. Do you ever get impressed because he's like, like when you sit down and really I'm impressed to be right here on the child. Club shave. I appreciate that. This is going to do really well. They like when we have conversation. Yeah. They tell them the backdrop of the story of the song, and then you actually sang the song.

But, like, when you hear somebody, like, man, you know, because sometimes you just take for granted until you hear them and they're singing, and they're not on an album, but they're actually singing and you can hear it. Like, when you hear Fantasia, people will be playing. Man.

She's nothing, she called. Boy, she ain't nothing to play with. Don't, don't come behind if you don't know what you're doing. Jasmine Sullivan, I'm talking about, you're talking about people that got, I'm talking about it can really they can sing. You know, there's nothing to sing they can sing man i've been watching jasmine do that since she was 11 12 years old in philly i will go down to philly to hang out and me and music soul child all of us would be at the place

called a five spot okay that the roots had a jam session so she had to come in with her parents because she was under age right killing it exactly how she's doing it now i was like whoever she is i never forgot her i was like i'm i've been looking for her so when she finally came out i was like that's her i knew it yeah oh she's something so so so Let me ask you this. Like when you like Jasmine Sullivan, Jill Scott, Fantasia, you tour a little bit right now with Fantasia. When you go in, so what's your mindset when you go in

and you get ready to do a song with, say, a Jill Scott or you getting ready to do a song with a Jasmine Sullivan? What is Anthony Hamilton's mindset? I want them to like it. I want them to love it so much. You know, I just want to, I don't know, I want to find a perfect song. I want them to be able to express themselves

and like the idea. or the direction that I'm going. Right. I want to love the idea that they have for me because I want to be able to do my best. Right. So I want to be able to give them what they expect of me, but it's super exceeded.

Yeah. So you want to be a situation like, who is this, Stephanie Mills and Teddy Pete? Come on, man. Rick James and, what's our girl name? Tina Marie. Tina Marie. Yeah.

Define desire. You want that kind of passion. When Stephanie Mills is saying and she's looking up at Teddy Pete I love that. That's one of my favorite clip. That's kind of the collab, that's kind of the connection that you want to have. Yeah, you want that synergy, man.

You want the energy to make sense. You want people to feel the energy that you're creating from because that's ultimately what's going to sell the record. Right. Until you get it out live, you've got to have that energy in there. You want to be able to have that kinship. Give me your dream collab. Man.

Wow Definitely I was Me and Dee had talked about getting us to DeAngelo was definitely one But Lauren Hill I think Okay To get him with Lauren Hill Ah man

She might be late though I mean I'll wait on I mean I'm gonna wait on her She is Lauren Hill Go ahead I'll take a nap I'll wake up Monday Yeah

But know you go see on Thursday Absolutely I'm gonna be right in her waiting on Same outfit because I picked it out for her You have released, unreleased songs with John Legend, Todd Dahl, and Jacquesiquez. Yes, yeah. You ready for him to come out with Brussels? What's up?

I think the John Legend definitely, it's a big record, man. You're a legend on one? Yeah, man. It's a song. Actually, he wrote it, and it was a song that he sent me a few songs, and that one stood out to me. And I can't wait for the world to hear that one. The song with Jaquise is pretty dope, too.

Yeah. Yeah. And Ty, Ty, it's just of it. he's a he's a maniac with the pen do people ever call he said no i'm good but you're more more pleasant than that you know what i'm busy i got to you know what let me check my refrigerator light i get back i get back with you you know what i have and and and one that i really regret not really making time for it wasn't the fact that i didn't like what they were doing but i was just touring so hard pit bull really god so mad at pick i'm i'm i ain't don't

on tour right now, people. Give me one more chance. Give me, give me one more chance. So, yeah, I just love what he's done, man. And at that moment, it was early in his career, and I was moving around a lot. But that's one of the one I just keep kicking myself about. You did a, I think a video, did a song with The Baby, Charlotte. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Homeboys. Yeah. So what's it like? I mean, because, you know, there's something about a homeboy. There's something about someone from North Carolina. Absolutely. He's from North Carolina, you're from, you're from, you know, right here in North Carolina. So what, what was that, what was that a endeavor like? You know what, man, you know, working

with the baby, like he was on fire. I mean, he came out and I heard about his name, but when he came out and he hit, he was on fire. So I was like, okay, I know he's going to have a lot of energy. Yes. He's got that baby energy. But I knew he was going to speak to a similar lingo. When I was in the studio, when it was after the Grammys, we went into the studio. I sang on a song with him. And we went into the studio after that, and we wrote blank. And I started saying a word that only North Carolina people would say, she's going to make me blank.

You're going to have me pulling out a pistol. And certain words like, well, you're going to make me blank. He know what that is. Right. You're going to make me go crazy. I'm going to act a donkey. Or if you shell, shell as hell. Oh, yeah.

So these lingo, we started talking about just being in Charlotte and just a certain conversation that we have and certain lingo that we have. So we just, you know, bonded on that, being North Carolina. And I think that opened a door for him to just trust me. You mentioned that you and Jodice are related. When did you realize that you guys were related? After you guys had made it or you knew you knew each other like growing up, did it when you had family functioned? When you had family function, they came and you were there. Oh, we relate it.

I think, you know, a few times my family tried to tell me, like, you know, they, you know, you're skinned them through the Truesdale's. I was like, oh, okay, cool. But I didn't, you know, I ain't paid no attention. Right. But then as time going, I started looking at them, I said, well, they kind of look like my people. Yeah. And one in the two cases, he said, well, you know, we're cousins.

Mm-hmm, truth there. And I was like, well, maybe, maybe it's some truth to it. Yeah, and so my, you know, I started asking around and it's, It's like, yeah, yeah, that's your family. You got, you ended up opening for them. Yep, the first tour I ever been on was the tour with Joe to see, the freaking you tour. Right. And you're talking about, I thought I wanted to be in the music business.

I thought I wanted to be around the girls, but the amount of women that will come to those shows and the after parties and the, ah. You're like, yeah, I picked the right profession. Yeah, but I was a little nervous. I was like, boy, this is a little more than what I. Yeah, what you envisioned. Oh, it was a lot. It was a lot. I mean, they were able to just get there.

Back then, I think people had access to be in your space. Yes. A lot more. Yes. Than they do now. And I was like, I'm not ready. I wasn't, I wasn't ready. Yeah, I had to.

So what was, I mean, I mean, like, I got, I mean, we got family. You know, we tour and I got to open up. I mean, you say that's your first tour. You don't want to mess up, even though, you know, we might be related, we're related. But I still want, I'll still want to do right, Bob. Absolutely. Absolutely. And even still now, we've shared some of the same stages.

Because KC. was like, Anthony, my cousin, but I'm going to have to. So we all joke about him. One of the guys in the tones is our cousin as well, the guy in the middle, Jay Biddle. Okay. So it's always a friendly competition, a family competition. You know, because he's a bad boy. And I learned a lot from him. But yeah, you know, you want to make them proud

and you want to represent them. And it's fun, too. But you know what? The thing is that you're trying to make a name for yourself. You want to represent them. But, you know, you don't always want to be the opening act. You want to be to close it. You want to, you know, pull the curtain, shut the curtains.

Absolutely. I can shut the curtain now. I can shut the curtains now. You know, it's, I made a name for myself when it comes to hitting the stage, I perform really hard. I give a lot. Yeah. And it's kind of hard to come behind me if you don't have the same passion.

You can't measure up. It's going to be a problem. If I get, who would you like to go on tour with? Wow. I'm going to get, you, it's a tour. It's three of y'all. Oh. It's three.

Shoot, I think that, one of those tours I've done. Really? Maxwell and Joe. Maxwell, Anthony, I ain't a lot. I mean, I think I don't saw. Maxwell like eight times in concert yeah and incredible every time he is unbelievable absolutely I'm trying to figure out how he still move like that I'm trying to see I'm about to say them needs he didn't get them needs from Timu

nah they might no Timu needs you know incredible man and Joe is absolutely flawless vocals is always on point you know another great tour Fantasia and we do really well yeah wow Fantasia, you're next. Yeah, man. Man, another tour. It's so many out there, man. I like to do her, me, her, and.

Ooh, yeah. It's a young guy coming up. His name is E.J., the Chosen Voice. He's a young. I mean, he sounds like Johnny, not Johnny Guitar Watson. but Johnny Taylor. Okay, okay. This young guy, man, look him up, man.

He's incredible. Oh. You know who I would like to see you do a song with? Who? Michelle Indeggio cello. Love her. And I was trying to work with her, too. And she was ready.

And I don't know what happened. I think my manager got me busy and, you know. But I love you too, Michelle. Indiglia. I had to learn how to say that. Indigo cello. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, you fancy.

You got all that. But I've seen her probably 18 times. And from Colorado to L.A. to Atlanta, the variety playhouse. I saw a little small, intimate thing. Yeah. Like when I like something, I'm going. Yeah. I'm going. Yeah, that's good. And I love that. So, you know, I don't got old now. I can't be any of all that nil noise in my head. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

They're bouncing around. Nah, that ain't mean. I just want to sit down. Yeah. And enjoy yourself. Have a good old time. Yeah. Go to chat. You know, Atlanta go to Chastain Park. Oh, man, that's a beautiful. Yeah, man. No, another spot that's good, too. It's in L.A.

What's the one that's outside with shit? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hollywood Bowl. That's a nice. Oh, man. I saw Max Well, there. So John Legend there. Oh, yeah.

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partner who's up on the Arestiff, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, yeah. So what was that? So how did, how did, where did, how did Jermaine stumble upon you? His father, his father heard me singing at a Grammy brunch. Really? Yeah. And this is when, you know, I didn't have a deal or anything.

And I was just like, had been working with Mark Batson, who allowed me to come, who produced Charlotte. Charlene and Can't Let Go. He produced coming from where I'm from, but he would let me come down and just sing it right for free because he was just a fan of my voice. Right. And that's how these songs came about. So the Grammy brunch, they invited me to sing and before I went on stage, I'm sitting in the back and Comorra Lee Simmons was staring at me and I was like, okay, this feels weird. And I didn't even know who Michael Malden was. Isaac Hayes introduced me on stage. I sang coming from where I'm from, like it was the last song I ever had a chance of sing. Because at this moment, I was ready to give up again.

Right. The moment I got off stage, Michael Malden came and said, hey, I have somebody I know, I think you should talk to. My son. I said, okay. My son is Jermaine Dupree. I said, oh, wow. And said, we just had a conversation about this type of singing

and this type of music. Do you mind having, you know, if I hooked y'all up or whatever? Say, absolutely not. But mind you, I had met Jermaine Dupree back in the day where he was running around and taking a crisscross around. Right, yeah. And I wanted his attention because I wanted him to know, like, I want to sing. Right.

But he was busy. He wasn't rude, but he was just busy. I was like, I never signed with him. I told him this. Right. I said, I never signed with him. I was just in my feeling. God said, if you want to make God laugh, make plans.

Right. And, you know, one of the best collaborates. We're still great friends right now. Wow. Yeah. Sampling. You okay with letting the young artists jump on something of yours? Absolutely, absolutely.

I think it's, you know. You ever tell them no? You ever told anybody, no? No, I don't think I had to. I think they come to me with the right stuff. If you come to me talking about killing, shooting, I'll kill you. I kid you twice. I may not want my music on that.

You know what I mean? But, or anything that's being distrifice. respectful to any any walk of life but for the most part I think they do me well right yeah who some of the young R&B artists that you that you that you that you like that you know what I can I can rock with this I love her I like Givion I like Friday um um what's his name lucky day okay I think he's a bad boy he's great writer um wow Who else I like? That's a few really good ones.

October London came out right. He came out with the Marvin Gay. Yeah. That's Snoops guy, isn't it? Yeah, Snoop's guy, yeah. Who else I really like him right now? Leon. I like Leon Thomas.

I like what he's doing. There's a few out there that's really, really good. Yeah. Yeah. B.J. Chicago Kid. That's my boy. Oh, man, he's dope. It's a dope.

He's a dope brother. When you're driving around, Do you listen, what do you listen to? When Anthony is in his car and he's driving around. Yeah. What are you listening to? Man, you know what? I make these playlists with different artists on it.

I may listen to Gunna. Okay. I may, then I go to Tupac and then I, you know, I may go to Al Green. Right. So it just depends on what mood I'm in. You know, I do like to have an open playlist. Right. Because, you know, I want to be able to have these different emotions and it be all right.

Right. Right. You know, and there ain't no better place than in your car. You'll be singing? I'll be singing the heck. Hell, I might even say in Charlene if it come on at the right time. Really? Yeah, I'm like good to you. At the real life. Have you ever been, have you ever been on like a taxi or Uber and your song come on? Absolutely. And then look at the mirror like, that's your part right there.

Yeah. I just start singing. know they don't know sometimes I tell them sometimes I don't right yeah but if you if you start singing it's like man you sound good yeah yeah yeah you sound good I say yes that's that's absolutely actually my song right yeah streaming what are your thoughts on stream because I get different you know different people say different things some people say you know you make good money some people say oh you're trying to kill it they I mean they're trying to kill us I mean it's just it's just robbing you man you have to you have to you have to

been so many times to get anything worth taking home, man. Right. Yeah, you know, they really did us in with that one. And I'm shocked and disappointed that we didn't stand up and speak out. Yeah, like the actress and actresses did. I think it got too far gone. Yeah.

Yeah. It's probably not going to, because I don't know if we're ever going to be able to, you're going to ever be able to sell the hard copies like you once did. I don't think, excuse me, The Tower Records are gone. Now all you have is a little specialty mom and pop shop. They still sell vinyl.

Yeah, yeah. But what used to be, it used to be a thing. And, you know, we go. And listen to it in the headphones. You can come on, man. Yeah. I miss that. Yes.

Virgin Records and Tower and, you know. Yes. Those are the good days. Now it's just, mm. And you get the eight track, you get to record. Everybody had to be quiet because you could hear it in the background. Yeah. Be on the tape with the A track.

Absolutely. Those were the times, man. The great times. That's what made me want to be a part of the music business. Now it's just, you know, you make your living and you make your fan base happy and enjoy yourself. But in terms of the music, how it feels, it's pretty sterile, pretty disconnected, if you ask me. You were a struggling artist. You go to New York.

That's less than 70 bucks in your pocket. Yeah. What made you so convinced that you were going to make it? Because not making it wasn't an option. No. I had to because I had been living it and breathing it. And it was in my blood too deep. Like, that's who I am.

It's like me dying. Did you ever want to quit? A few times, but not enough to really do it. Right. You know? Who could you call it when you were having those moments? where things weren't going your way and there were times that you felt like giving up who was someone that you could call and they said anthony it's just right around the corner my best friend chop who used to drive me from charlotte to new york numerous times drive you yeah we met in barber school so i'm a barber you know went to school to cut hair and do man and women's hair yeah he used to drive me he had a he had a white BMW back then and uh he we'd get in there we'd drive all way up to new york singing playing jokes Your best friend.

Yeah. Anybody can drive you that? Yeah. And Eddie Kane, my friend, Ramon Montgomery, Eddie Kane. Yeah. Those two, they saw the gift. Hello.

This might be Internet because, you know, you can't believe everything on the Internet. You can't believe everything you read. And my Aunt Joanne, Aunt Joanne, too. Nick Cannon bought you a car, your first car? Yeah, man. Yeah, Nick Cannon did. Yeah.

How did you meet Nick? On the video set. He did a song called Can I Live. paying respect to his mom for not aborting him. And so it's a song called, Can I Live? So they wanted me to be, you know, I did the song, but they wanted me in the video. The night of the video I was supposed to have flown out

on the red eye. And so, you know, it's going to be really quick. We're going to get you in and get you out. I was there for hours and, you know, didn't complain. End up getting wet. There was a scene. I wasn't really supposed to be in the water. I was wet never complained and he kept saying he's like man he's just being so grateful

and gracious I want to do something special for him and so I have been ironed this old station wagon gold and it's like he loves that car and don't you know Nick wrote that man a check that night for that car that was my first car ever owning Nick bought my car my first car before I could buy it a station wagon huh yeah 1971 same year I was born. Damn. It's a, it's a... Had the wood piling on it and everything.

No, not this one, but I do like the wood. I did want the wood panel on it. I wanted the truck, the wagon there. But it's a station wagon, 71 gold, and it's beautiful. I had it repaint it. You still got it? Oh, absolutely.

It's beautiful. You still got it? Really? Oh, it's beautiful. You're going to never let it go, huh? I ain't going to let that one go. Nah. Because you'd have a lot of cars since there,

but you're going to keep that one. Yeah, I ain't had too many. I haven't had. My first car. that I bought was a Dodge Durango. And then after that, I got an infinity, a used one. Then I finally got the big boy now.

Yeah. The 2025. But, yeah, not a lot of cars. You know, my ex-wife had a few. Right. But, no. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of hard for you having to think nice. You got six kids.

I mean, you know. You got a little bus. You got a sprinter man. See what happened when you come to club, Shet-Shay? Yeah, you get to with six boys. Man, look, yeah, that's why I sing. Y'all ain't, you're available? Hell yeah, I'm available.

And tomorrow, too. Oh, man. Well, obviously, you've been in the music game for two decades. Make good money. What is the one thing that you learned about money? Wow. The more you make, the more somebody needed. Well, you know, money is one of those things like it's, it's great to have.

But if you don't know how to maneuver with it, then it's almost not, it's almost like not having it. Right. If you don't know how to invest it the right way, then it's just sitting there and it's not really doing a lot for you. It's not working for you like it's supposed to. And, you know, I'm looking at these people. Like, man, how is it that they have so much wealth?

The right deals, the right investments, very important. Yeah. I mean, you know. What do you think your best purchase? What's the best purchase that you had? Oh, my home. My home. Yeah, my first house.

Under a million. You know, my financial advisor at the time was a black sister. Like, you don't need no house under a million and move to wool and all that. You can't be. Still in it. Still in. I'm about to sell it, though, boy. I got some equity.

I'm about to sell it Tell it Celebrate I'm about to sell the hell out of it Excuse my French Yeah I think that's the That was very A very smart move

Yes And Always got to have a place to call home Man It takes a lot of distress away man Yeah Yeah One place you don't need 15 places

No no no no I tried that having a place in L.A. Yeah It's just It's just way. It's just too much. It's just too much. It's like, stop.

Did you see a single Kevin McCall like EBT? Wow, that was heartbreaking, man. Such a great writer and he had a promising future. Yes. You know, I just think sometimes my personal stuff getting the way of, you know, our growth and relationships are important. You know, you got to cherish those relationships.

Yes. Yeah. And it's, like you said, I mean, when you make so much, and it's not how much, and I tell people, it's not how much you make, it's how much you keep. Absolutely. There's been a lot of people that's made a lot of money, but didn't keep any of it. So what have you actually done? What have you actually accomplished? Man, yeah, I'm afraid of that.

I don't want to be poor no more in no, in no way, no form, poor-spirited or, you know, just want to be better. You're an American gangster. You get to meet Denzel? What? I met Denzel at the 75th anniversary of the Apollo. Okay. And don't you know he remembered that? Really?

He asked me on the set of American Gangster. I bet you don't know the first time we met. I bet you don't know it. I said, yes, I do. He said, where was it? I said the 75th anniversary at the Apollo. That's right. That's right.

Did that. It's good to have you here. Such a class act. how is it I mean we get an opportunity we've never been on set with him all we see is the finished product yeah but to be there and to watch him jump in character I hear he's very serious about he take he takes his profession to the up team absolutely and you know people they're excited and want to pictures he's like now we're not here for no pictures we're not here for pictures we're here to make

this amazing movie we're here to be great and all that classy though but you don't feel offended right and he goes and he's nails it What do you think it is that makes him special? Because we've seen him do Malcolm X, and he looks like Malcolm X. We've seen him do Hurricane. We've seen him do American gangster. We've seen him in Spike Lee's movie Inside Manning. We've seen him devil in blue dress, and we've seen him in so many things.

Yeah, Book of Eli. Yeah. Oh, man. What is it that makes him special? He keeps a little piece of Denzel in it. Nobody else can be that. I think that's it. special sauce that Denzel the swag you know even when he's uh these what's the the gangster movies

equalized yeah oh i caught on to those oh my god i didn't know they were so good yeah well i remember the tv show that used to come out used to come on wow i had no idea but there's always a swag there's always a personality that only he possessed and he knows how to become the character when you forget he's Denzel. I was so mad at him in training day. Did he play that thing or what? I just didn't, I just didn't like him. I was mad. I was like, man, God, he was such an evil man. But he was so great. Jay, I'm going to get that money. How do you transform yourself into this character that deep, man?

And he, what he's able to do is he will make you believe that he's that. Yes. I mean, when you watch him in Malcolm X, you couldn't tell me that, wasn't Malcolm. I mean, they did a great job with Malcolm with makeup. But the way he spoke, oh, bodyed it. Incredible. He's incredible. You're also on the set of Empire with Terrence Howard. Yeah, yeah. Terrence is a buddy of mine. Terrence likes music, too. He plays guitar.

Yeah, because, yeah, what is that, uh, when you were singing? What's the name of that song when he was in Memphis? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. What was the name of that song? What's the name? with that movie? Hustle and flow. Hustle and flow. Hustle and flow. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he loves music. He's a music head, man.

And he's a character. Every now and again, every couple of years he called me. He found my number and called me. It's been a couple years, Terrence, where you're at? Where you're at, Ted? But he normally keeps in contact, man. You was on the Chappelle show? Yeah. You know what? I think, look, you can have a lot of guys, but the way he's able to to tell a story. Yeah. He's at the top of the, he's at the top of the food chain right now.

He is the top. He is absolutely, he's such a, man, he's such a technician when it comes to taking comedy and making it more than just comedy. Yes, because he, I mean, you know, you take real life events, you take your events and you make them funny. He's so clever.

And the way he can weave. Incredible. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's the goat. He absolutely is. Chris Rock. is another one who's incredible. Oh, yeah, I love rock. I saw both of them at the Radio City Music Hall.

They were in Hollywood Bowl a couple years ago also. Oh, that's a really great. If you can see those. Kevin Hart, I was able to, you know, go check out a show and hang out backstage with him. Right. Incredible. Oprah.

Mm. You're on the show, they called me Dad? You on Oprah's show. Oh, I did. Absolutely. I almost forgot that. Yeah, me and my younger three. Yeah.

Yeah, that was big. That was... So what's the age range? So you got the older three, that's how old is the oldest? My oldest has turned 37. What? Yeah, I'm 37, too. I don't know.

So you got an early start. Early, early. Which clock are you counting? So, look, I was very young. I was probably 16. Yeah, you were singing then, huh? Yeah. Yeah, you were singing okay.

She was older than me. I think I need to bring her up on charge. How far can you go back? Not that far. You better watch yourself. But no, it was my high school, high school sweetheart. So, yeah, 37, 34, and 28. Okay.

And then my ex-wife had my twins, about to be 15. Okay. In a couple days, and my baby boy is 13. All I'm with you? Yeah, but well, four of them are in Charlotte. Charlotte Anthony Jr., he lives in Charlotte, but in his own home. Right. But my younger three are with me, like 75, 80% at the time when I'm home.

They, they, that's the first. You carpool dad, you do all that, huh? Every morning. Yep, except for this morning, I had to come here and do the club. I appreciate that. Yeah. So when, like, you said that when you're on the road, your ex or take them? Yeah, yeah, they go there.

Right. And sometimes she takes me a little dog. Really? Yeah. What a nice lady. having six boys that's a huge responsibility what are you because you said and i find this i see this a lot is that when the father's not around you try to make sure you're more around because you try to get away you you know what it was like not to have a dad yeah and you don't want your

kids to feel like that absolutely i work really hard to make sure that they know i'm present like i go to school meetings um you know i try to help with homework my my brain my brain different i got tutors yeah yeah so they're gonna fail my base my bass player his his daughter you know been tutoring my boys for years um so i make sure you got everything that you need right but you know i just want them to know like it matters like i'm just not going to shove money in your hand and right and say that's going to make it okay no that's not going to make it okay right because they're going to resent me later on when money can't you know offer them things. Yeah, can't fix it. Some things money can fix. But there are going to be

there are going to be some things that money can't fix. Exactly. Yeah. You were married. You mentioned you made what 15 years? 10 together 13 14. How hard is it to end the marriage when kids are involved? Because I'm not so sure kids really understand. They're just like, okay, mom and the dad together and then now mom and dad not together. You know that that's one of the things that make you want to fight a little harder. Yeah. you don't want to break it up break that up you want them to have that perfect family I think we all dream of having a perfect family mom and dad in the house but you get to a point where it's like um do i want them just in the house around something that's not as healthy as it should be

yeah it's hard yeah it is it's hard at when you like staying together just for the kids because yeah why we want to do the right thing but we're miserable I mean how long are you going to be miserable I don't want to me I'm not going to say that you were miserable I'm just saying no I get it I get it I get it I don't want them to think it's okay to accept anything that's not you know up to what you deserve. Right. Yeah. You know, the quality of life

man, it starts with the relationships you allow yourself to be in as well. Would you get married again? Absolutely. Yeah. You're going to have more kids? That wasn't so quick with that You know what? It just depends. It depends. I know, I'm praying. I was like, Lord, what is going on?

And you're trying to, hold on, that means you be going to high school graduation at 71. They're like, uh-oh. You shouldn't do that. They say, little markers. You shouldn't do that. But I have on sneakers. That's my grand, that ain't my grandfather. That's my daddy, fool.

I wear some sneakers. I'll be wearing some sketches. I'll be wearing some sketches. Yeah, I know you're a sneaker head, too. Yeah, you're going to wear them sketches, huh? I might have to. I might have to go. I might have to go to some special shoes.

You know, that's a hard one for me. Yeah. You know, because it's like starting off. You're still on the road. Still on the road and, you know, changing pamphers and all that stuff. The hard parts that I made it through. Yeah. Do I want to do that again?

So that's when you're dating or trying to be in a relationship at this age, you know, whoever you choose to date, you have to take all that in consideration. Well, I'm taking in consideration. generation, she of still of childbearing years. I mean, I don't know. Hey, what's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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You're going to move right along. Move on up. What's the dating scene like for Anthony Hamilton? Are you a difficult date? I'm pretty simple. I like good food and good conversation. You know, we're going to have a good wine, make it a good one. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't. Dating is different. Is dating different after you get, after you've been married for the length of time that you've been married? Yeah. Because you're off the market for a minute. Yeah. So is dating different? different now than when you for let's just say when you first started and you're dating is it how much different is dating now than it was then well you you want to be able to go somewhere and be regular yeah i think that's the harder part being able to go somewhere and sit down and have a meal without interruption interruptions and uh you know and choosing people that that you feel have really good intention yes you know that's that's weaving through that

Hard. Yeah, and then I don't want to talk about my favorite color and all that. I don't, I don't care. Ain't no color. I just, yeah, all that, yeah. You get up to a certain age. You just like, I don't know. So what you got to talk about something at?

When you talk about what you like to cook, what's your hobbies, what's the place you like to go. Yeah, I mean, you know, you do it, but just. Damn. Just love. I don't care of your favorite color is. Just wear it. I'm wearing it. Cut the conversation short.

Now, I'm just kidding. You know, you get to know people. Right. Listen to their stories and you share stories and, you know, yeah. How long do you date before you bring someone around the kids? You know, I think that take, that's a, that's a very, very protective space for me. Yeah. Yeah, I don't just let anybody in my house.

I don't even have parties and stuff at my house. Because you know they're going to go back and tell mama. You know that you know no no I mean if you ignorant I mean yeah you know you know she has the right to know who's around her absolutely because I want to know yes because I pull up yeah like my yeah what's going on but yeah you you know you I think the spirit will start to speak mm-hmm some might take a little more time and some don't ever make it mm and then others he's like this person is pretty decent yeah energy's good and you know

what makes you take more time when they're trying too hard to be a part of your kids yeah be in a space oh when am i going to meet the kids 20 never nebble yeah that that that that bothers me right when you're trying too hard the relationship with your parents how different are you with your kids than when your parents were with you there's some similarities because i'll bust you i'm about to tear your tail up. But, you know, I want to give you a voice. You know, at a certain age, you should have, be able to express yourself. And I hear you.

Yeah. And just take that and start to guide you. Right. Based on who you are. As opposed to making you be who I think you should be. Right. So I think back then, they didn't know no better. No.

Now we have access. It wasn't no reason. It wasn't no reason. You don't reason with a child. Yep. They tell you what you was going to eat. They tell you what you were thinking. Yeah.

They tell you what you were doing. It wasn't a no, well, what would you like to do today? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to do what I tell you to do. You'll eat what I put on the table. Yeah, yeah. I got a little bit of that in me. So I'm trying to keep a good balance.

Right. Be friendly without, you know, blurring the lines of respect line. Because I think to now, in today's time, we got too many parents want to be friends. That's where they go wrong. I'm not your friend. Your friend down the street. Yeah. Our dynamic won't ever change no matter what.

I'm always going to be dead. You're always going to be the child. Absolutely. I told him I was born first for a reason. Yeah. You know, and, you know, we can have a good time. We can hang out, have fun, and watch movies and all that. But when I tell you to do something, I need for you to do it.

Yeah. And do it with excellence. But you know what? We couldn't ask, we couldn't ask our grandparents why. When they said do something, we couldn't say, why? Oh, it gets smacked in the mouth. I don't got smacked in the mouth so many times. Oh, suck you.

What? Oh. Yaya! I didn't know that was cussing. Uh-uh. I didn't know that was cussing. So all that's cussing, those are curse words. I didn't know that until that backhand, that backhand hit me in the mouth.

Yeah, my mom, my little mama didn't play. My grandma, she was with the switches. My mom was with that backhand. She had a mean quick backhand. Get up close on you? Yeah, man. So I learned to run. really fast because the thing is Anthony the way you and I was brought up you can't

raise kids like that you go to jail absolutely you know you know but I be so upset at times I might call the police so they can watch but you know their kids now they have a lot of rights yeah too many I think yeah I think they have too many rights and they know it yes and they'll manipulate you to manipulate the system and and so on these kids now they look crazy yeah I love y'all but y'all look crazy you mentioned earlier that at the decision at I think it's 14 you had to make a decision that you got adopted by family friend mm-hmm someone I went to school yeah really yeah yeah so when you told we did you how did you break that news to your mom

ooh it was in actually in the court damn You didn't tell her before here? I just was over there already. Yeah. It's like I'm a, you know, I'm just gonna go over here. And she said no. At that moment, I think she was just trying to figure out, um,

what was pushing me to that. Mm-hmm. And so she really, you know, really didn't have a say. didn't have a say I just kind of just kind of left did you and her have a conversation before it got to the point that you wanted to leave or you felt that you needed to leave were there ever any conversations between you two that was just anger in me yeah so angry you couldn't talk yeah I just felt like you being a parent

you should know better you should be able to you know do a little different and so I was just mad because I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't help everybody right you know you know I just saw a lot of people needing their lives to be different and so I couldn't change that so I just followed all that up but you had some trauma you dealt with some trauma earlier at the age of seven you saw your uncle shoot your cousin's husband yeah that was pretty crazy yeah it was a nice man too had you ever experienced death before did you know what death was I knew by going to

funeral but I didn't really know right that was the first time seeing something like like that that was uh what caused him to get so upset I have no idea I have no idea uncle uncle J was uh he used to hunt and do all that stuff so he was a wild man anyway I just think you know they had words and he didn't like it and I think he had been on the bottle mm-hmm so I think they have probably had a lot to do with it but I don't even think he made a lot of time really I don't think so I know Back then, they ain't sent people to. Yeah.

I don't know what happened. I don't know what it was, but back then people ain't really get no time. Like you get, you shoot somebody like that now, you're going to jail. Oh yeah, absolutely. Until they start making coffee. Yeah.

That, that, I never, I can still see that. Really? You never get that vision. No, you never. It wasn't like a bunch of blood or anything. I just remember them laying a pillow under his head after the, I heard the shot. I saw it.

Yeah. It was outside or inside? outside outside and we were in my grandmother's house looking out the screen door you heard him arguing the next thing you know a gun goes off yeah I heard him yelling come you come outside that I don't I don't know if I would nah no back then that's what you know you asking for it mm-hmm meet me such and such yeah I'm good I'm a drive right on past yeah yeah I'm not you know my ego is intact yeah yeah I'm staying in the house right you know it's a

smarter. You mentioned that you got your start. You went to barber school. You good? You good with them clippers? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I might not look like it because I choose, you know, just started making me groceries. Right. I'm going to keep it. I don't want them to miss, mishandle the check and send it to the smooth face guy. But yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm still, you know, I got six sons, you know, you want to save some money, but. Oh, you cut that, so you cut off, you cut there? Oh, absolutely. Four of them have locks now. okay but they still want it faded and shape shape up and yeah so so you good with the razor huh oh yeah did you did you got a razor shave do you do absolutely you had to to to finish school

yeah 500 hours yeah so i did perms i did jerry curls back there that was yeah yeah the little smelly curl i put the little paper on that thing oh yeah that looked like something else but it's jerry curl yeah that's jerry curl right yeah man hey on that level that little that strap for that strap man you have to yeah you had to you had to learn to do that taper fade yeah and uh I think the curl the curl you had to be able to do a curl you still you ain't gonna let that go you're gonna clean this up you know what sometime I sometimes I do and sometime I then it gets boring then I want to you know grungy no shave you know man it's like uh this is that can't a line of dirt you

you kind of you kind of known for the struggling beard now huh you know cats used to be mad me when coming from where I'm from came out and I end up I cut it right it was so upset it's like man that that's the struggle right it represents a struggle for a lot of people like you look like you struggle like me and uh really people were really upset it's like fine I'll grow it back or whatever whatever's doing growing up appearing I'll appear it back I'm getting an opportunity to sing for your state team, the Harness, the National Anthem, Michael Jordan on the team. Yeah. You ever make Michael?

Oh, absolutely. Michael, he supported me from day one. A lot of the tours and stuff sponsored a lot of things for me. And I've been getting some Jordans for. Yeah, yeah, I see you had a couple of pair over there. Yeah, I know you're a sneakerhead. I was like, I got, if he try it. Yeah, I see that.

Yeah. pair one obs look at you oh yeah oh these all things so so I know you got a few pair but see these are the ones Jordan I won one through 30 yeah but you only can pick two colors right so if it's black and white all 30 pairs I'm gonna be black and white so me Carmelo Anthony Brigitte Barrett and Coile Leonard we was on the team so we had to out design people right so we outdesigned them we did the the number ones because they used to make his feet bleeds so we created a number one called the bloodline.

But I won, we won, our team won, so we all got 30 pairs. So this, the level. One ofs. Yeah, yeah. Nobody has the chocolate with the bubble gun bottoms. So I got 30 of these. If y'all want to buy a big, I'm going to think. And these are camellos. I was like, I know you ain't got these either.

But I said you got some, you got some joints. Yeah, I got some meat. But I sold some, I think, what was that, November of 24? You did? Yeah. Yeah, I sold like 300 pair. God, dog. You sold 300, so you still got...

Probably like 275, maybe another three. Good God. Yeah, you got me beat. Yeah. You know what I mean? I got hats, though. Oh, you're a hat guy. Yeah, I like my hats.

God, dog. So you sold 300 pairs? Yeah. Ooh. Yeah. I think 3.30, 313, 323. Wow. Yeah.

And you know, sneakers now, they go. Yeah. And they're yours? Yeah. Ooh. Yeah. You ain't got to do this no more. I just, you know, the thing with us, like, you know what?

Somebody need to get some use out of these. I'm not wearing them. I wear the same sneakers all the time. Me too. You know, now, after you get so much stuff, man, it's just like. It's just hard. I realize now I'm starting buying the same old jean jacket, just a different button or something. Yep.

So you realize, just cut it out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man, Anthony, thank you for coming by. Thank you for performing. Thank you for telling your story.

Absolutely. I'm absolutely certain. Our audience is going to love this because they love when we sit down and have a conversation. You talk about this song, you perform the song. Man, I can't thank you enough. I appreciate you. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you. Appreciate you. Before I go, I have a gift. Okay. It's for life. It's a young designer out of Charlotte, North Carolina. And he knows about your career. Okay. He wants you to have this for life. Thank you. His name is S. Dub. Yes, dude. Yeah, man, number of three. And he's a designer out of Charlotte and an amazing musician.

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