Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Arnez J. Part 1

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

Arnez J. On Katt Williams, Kevin Hart, Mo’Nique, Rickey Smiley, Bernie Mac, BET & Comic ViewIn Part 1 of this episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe sits down with the electric and fearless Arnez J.—a legendary stand-up comedian, dynamic actor, and one of the most physical performers ever to grace a comedy stage. With nearly 35 years in the game, the former host of BET’s Comic View and Def Comedy Jam alum has performed to sold-out crowds across the country and built a legacy rooted in originality, raw honesty, and side-splitting impressions.Arnez opens up about his deeply personal comedic influences, including imitating family members like his Uncle Charlie and honoring his developmentally challenged brother Rodney through his act.He and Shannon revisit their brief fallout over a fishing trip gone wrong and Arnez missing Shannon’s Hall of Fame induction. He shares wild stories from his days as a flight attendant—including altercations with passengers, getting suspended, and even sending a photo of his rear end to the airline after they tried to rehire him.Arnez also dives into his complicated family history: being told at his grandmother’s funeral that his father wasn’t really his father, the heartbreak of trying to help his sister during an eviction, and the tragic deaths of his brothers.He reflects on the impact of his mother’s passing just moments before performing one of the best shows of his life, and the eerie coincidence of learning his brother had died while doing an interview about childhood trauma. He also weighs in on comedian rivalries, the Katt Williams interview, and how he once beat both Kevin Hart and Katt Williams in a race. Plus: his beef and reconciliation with Rickey Smiley, his thoughts on joke-stealing, a wild piece of hate mail from Australia, and why he lives by the bro code.#volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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podcasts. Is it true Kat gave you money? wherever you get your podcasts. Sacrifice, hustle pay the price, want a slice, got the rolling dice, that's why, all my life, I be grinding all my life, yeah All my life, been grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle pay the price, want a slice, got the rolling dice, that's why, all my life, I be grinding all my life Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Cheche. I am your host, Shannon Sharpe. I'm also the proprietor of Club Cheche. Stopping by for conversation on a drink today is a fan favorite, a familiar face on the comedy circuit. He's been a stand-up comedy comedian for almost 39 years.

He was host of BET Comic View for two seasons. Deaf Comedy Jam alum, one of the most physical and fearless comedians ever, one of the day's best working artists, a dynamic actor and writer. He has an infectious energy and a gift for storytelling. He leaves a crowd in tears, laughter. He performed the sold-out show across the country. He calls himself one of the great fishermen.

Let him tell it, he was also a great athlete when he was younger Harry dog, I Had seen this bad a long time, but we a we about to catch up. Mr. Arnaz J Come on now see there you go. Come on now That's pretty good One of them things you read, I went, huh? No, but that was pretty good. Is all this you?

That's all that's me. All this you? 35 in the game. I would not say that I'm a writer. You're not a writer? Nah, I'm not a writer. I'm a visionary. I visualize and I see things in my head and I guess it jots itself down.

Right, but you don't write down anything? No, no, because I would get an F, trust me But you don't write down anything? No. No, because I would get an F. Trust me. You weren't good in school. I have good penmanship. You know, I was good in school as far as learning. But the reason I said I wasn't good in school, because you and I haven't known each other for a long time.

Yes. When I saw how brainy you were, I basically shut the hell up, because I was like, it don't make no sense a black man to talk with this much articulate, this much articulate elation in his brain, but he's straight country. I don't get it.

I don't get that. He go catfishing, but he can hang out with the rest of the crew. I mean, I don't get it. Yeah, I'm pretty good. You are, you're intelligent. Very intelligent. I appreciate that.

You really are. You know what? Let's start off with this. You've been in the game 35 years, and a lot of, I mean, you always normally, not always, but you tell a story. One of your favorite storylines is you talk about your brother, Rodney.

Everybody wants to know, how has Rodney do it? Rodney, I will never ever be able to let go out of my comedy because my fans won't allow it. And I'm not one of these comedians, when somebody says, do this, you despite them and say, no, I'm not gonna do it because you don't feel like doing it. right? You better feel like remember who paid you get gotten you where you're at besides God, right? So I'm very humble

When my fans they will not let Rodney ever go because there's always there's always a new story about Rodney But they they won't let him go so I I can't let him go But before we get into all that because I know this is your show and everything, I got something to ask you. Would you open it? Real talk. You and I have known each other for a long time. I'm gonna say 20.

Mm-hmm. I wanna know what happened to us. The reason I'm asking you that is because. You know what happened. No, why you interrupted? Because you, see that's how, when people lie, that's how they do it, they jump in. Okay, all right, bye man.

Okay. The last time we connected, we were on the plane. You sent me an invitation to you being inducted to the Hall of Fame. Yeah, I did. I could not make it. And when I could not make it... I cut you off.

You cut me off. Thank you for being honest about it. Thank you for being honest about it. Thank you for being honest about it. Thank you, Jesus, for sticking your thumb in his eye. Why would you cut a friend off? And now especially you really need me. I need you now. I know.

But now I don't know if I wanna be with you. I don't know, man. I don't know, man. No, what happened? No. What we've, please tell the truth. Actually, we had a fishing trip planned before the Hall of Fame. Yeah.

And then, you know, I think you got scared because you didn't want, because you brought up the fishing. I didn't bring up the fishing, you brought that up. You're good at deflecting. I know that. Yeah, but I'm just telling, I gotta tell the host, I gotta add context. Okay. Because you just wanna get right to the, You brought that up. You're good at deflecting. I know that. Yeah, but I'm just telling you, I gotta tell the whole story.

I gotta add context. Okay. Because you just wanna get right to the point. But no, no, no. There's something that led up. There's a series of events. It's kind of like the limited sneakers. There's a series of events that led to this.

Okay. And the series of events. You and I having a conversation. Hey, yeah, how you doing, man? Man, love you, followed your career. Man, you was a hell of a player. Congratulations on everything. The Super Bowl, man. How was it?

You know, we had a great conversation. Got it. Hey, you was courteous, I was receptive to courtesy. I thought we good, good. We were good. Carl come to town, hey Jay, hey Sharp, man, how you doing? Man, I'm good, man, glad you called. What's going on, blah, blah, blah.

Then, had this fishing trip schedule. Okay. I was like, okay. Man, so he. Where's the camera I can look in real quick? This one right here? That's you. Okay, continue.

Okay, so, you know, deep south, I say, hey, how you wanna do? You want a line fish, you want a shore fish, you wanna go in the boat, blah, blah, blah. Hey, man, I'm deep sea fishing, you know, black grouper. That's your thing. It is. Yeah, see what I'm saying? It is. Black grouper. That's your thing. It is.

Yeah, see what I'm saying? It is, black grouper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, you know, black grouper, I catch drum, sheephead, you know, blah, blah, blah. I said, okay, bro, all the fancy names, I get all that. I got it, okay. And then I was like, you know what?

I'm gonna have a look, you know, cause there wasn't no celebs in my little station. I ain't have no celebs, I don't really know nobody. I said, you know, I'm having a little, you know, cause there, it wasn't no celebs in my little station. I ain't having no celebs. I don't really know nobody. I said, you know what? It'd be real nice when they pay in the audience. They like, man, man, Charm, no R-net-J? Yeah.

But I don't even hang out with celebrities like that. I know. I never have. I'm a loner. I mean, I, cause I, me personally, not to say anything, but sometimes, you know, there's a difference when you hang out with Regular folks you're gonna hang out with people who want to get to a place or all right that place right and I'm frontin for nobody Yeah, plain and simple. So, you know, either you like me you don't I ain't I ain't got time and then you change the number. Oh

Lord And then you change the number. Oh, Lord. Okay, that's the story you gonna roll. God, you changed the number. I tried to reach out to you. I DM'd you several times. Fell on deaf ears. Yeah.

Oh, shit. But, okay, I just wanted to know what happened. To the best of your recollection. Best of my recollection is I get a invite. Yeah, yeah. To your inauguration. Hall of Fame Induction, yes. Yep, you were going in.

Yes. And I was so overjoyed and happy for you, I wanted to go. I could not go because I could not get out of my contract. I had a contract they wasn't trying to hear, they wasn't trying to let me out of a contract at that time to go. I could have just said, no I'm not going to, but other than just you, I also had to think about

my fans that paid their money. Yeah, I get that. So I have to go both ways. I tried to get a hold of you, there was no number to get a hold of you. There was blank. It was, you know that one famous sound? Bo-do-do, one of them things.

The number you call, it's probably in Surrey. I feel you reached this number. You ain't even gotta do all of that. As soon as you hear, bo-do-do, you already know. Just hang up. No, man, so that is always kinda... I started seeing them folk look for you. What folk?

The folk that look for you. I'm just saying, bro. I was just wondering what happened. And this is what I feel, what true friends do, they can talk. Yes. And they can, sometimes people can't deal with the... The truth, absolutely.

So that's why, you know why I ask because I even told my road manager, Roderick, I said, look, this is one of the first things I need to ask him because it has bothered me for so long. It bothered me. Then people ask me, like, man, cause a lot of times, obviously, you know, club shake, I've had a lot of comedians on, a lot of comedians. They're like, man, when you gonna have R&S J?

I said, that's a good question. I said, when y'all see him, ask him. I've been seen. I ain't saying about all of them, but I've been seen. Yeah. Yeah, that's what everybody, man, you'd have, man, this one and that one, man, you would have had all the OGs from Comic View and Def Comedy Jam.

I said, yeah, I know. Say, man, what about R? They call me Triple OG now. Triple. What y'all know about that? You ain't got triple on you. Triple. You got all the young, youngs in here working for you.

Yeah, yeah. Let me ask you this about Rodney. When did you realize that he was gonna be a part of your show? Because you mentioned the term you say Ryan is not handicapped He has a condition and sometimes you know, we've like we've done away with the word handicapped and we say okay He's he's challenged or now because the word used to be they slow They slow or you know, especially or to use the R word Yeah, yeah that we will yeah, I they use the R word. Yeah, yeah. That we don't. Yeah, I know, but I said it.

Yeah. I mean, see, this is what I mean. Yeah, okay. Because you changed a word don't mean it's different. You get enough pressure put on you, you know, things change, you know, but I feel this is one of the most inconsistent countries in the world. United States is inconsistent.

We'll go just, and I'm not trying to jump on all this, but why is a young black guy that may commit a crime at 17 is called a man, but a young white guy at 18 is still called a teenager. I don't get that. I don't get that and I will never get it and I won't be quiet about it. Okay. Now Rodney, at what point in time early in your career did you say, you know what, I'm going to add him to the show.

Rodney has always been a part of the show from day one. Because I've been a big kid from day one. My eyesight and my visualization of what I've seen in life has always been about expression. You have to realize when you're a person that is a loner, what do you have to do? You have to entertain yourself. Self. When you entertain yourself,

you see things that other people don't see. Correct. You mimic things that other people just don't think about mimicking. Mm-hmm. When I got my first Hot Wheel track, we used to get towed up with a Hot Wheel track. Correct.

That was an Orange Extension Corp. You understand what I'm saying? Cars would go around the track, and the track would go in your way. And then you say that to somebody, now a Hot Wheel track, a Hot Wheel, yeah well look it up, do your research. Right.

You know, the world revolves so much, and there's so much information for us to gather. So when I added Rodney into the show, Rodney helped me, I didn't help him. But what I did do is I emboldened Rodney. I never, if you ever look at my comedy, I never target anyone in my comedy. I don't target people because to me, that's not comedy.

That's not comedy. Even within the chapters of other comedians, people used to say, oh, all he does is do flips and jump around, that's my style of comedy. You sit there on a microphone, you just talk. You're giving your information, I'm giving my information. And if they are laughing with my information, where is the problem? Why are you losing sleep over what I do?

That belongs to me. My fans are in my life for a reason. I'm very overprotective of my fans. So when I do Rodney, I'm very overprotective of my fans. So when I do Rodney, I'm not the one that like wanna bring up Rodney, my fans want me to do him. So when he's done because there's so much with him, I make Rodney strong.

Yeah, people may say he's handicapped or challenged, but I make him strong. People are, you know how many women, you know how many women I'm saying, well where your brother at? And I talk about that thang thang on it. But I don't care because he may be slow or whatever you want to say.

They want to see that thang thang. Does Rodney know you're doing him in your comedy? Yes, he did. Yes, he did. Rodney hit me upside the head one time with a Superman lunch bell. You know those, they used to make the characters. Yes, absolutely.

In the garage. So that thing reverbed. Yeah. He hit me, so people don't understand. You mess with people's challenge. They got strength. They real strong. Yeah.

Real strong. Yeah. I mean real strong. Yeah. He hit. Yeah. I mean real strong. Yeah. He hit me with that thing and, but they don't, my brother, they didn't see me making fun of them. Okay.

They see their brother who loves them talking about them and include me in it. Right. I made them, I strengthened who he was. Right. Not lessen, like there was, we did a show with two weeks ago, we were, oh no, it was Buffalo,

Buffalo, New York. Guy came into the show, sat right up front. He had a drifted eyeball. One went that way and the other one scanned the room. Instead of running away from him, I walked up to him while he was there, and this girl, I said, yo man, I'm just gonna say this, and this is exactly how I said it, man, I'm gonna say this,

nigga, you got me fucked up right now because I can't see where I'm going. I'm thinking, I'm talking to you when you really over here. So he had an eye that scanned. But yes, but he laughed at himself because I did not diminish him. And I had other people, I said, and you right across from me, are you okay?

I added him in to me, not to make fun of him, but to say, okay, you got a straight eye and one that's scanning, it's okay. But I'm gonna talk about it, but that's yours, you own it, because if you didn't own it, you'd have had some shades, I wouldn't have seen it. But I seen that eye, and I said, and I think you did it on purpose,

because there's some fine women here, and I think you slick, looking straight ahead, so your girl don't know that you ain't doing nothing but that other eye catching you. Thank you, slick, but I got you slick, looking straight ahead, so your girl don't know that you ain't doing nothing but that other eye catching you. Thank you, slick, but I got you. Do you think, you mentioned, like, okay, the gentleman that had the eye issue, do you think because obviously he knows it,

this is not, that was not the first time he had heard it, but do you think- But he heard it in a different manner, probably. But do you think because he owned his frailty that therefore someone couldn't make him feel insecure about it? Is that how you say that one more time? I say, do you think because he had heard that before for such a long time that he owned it,

that therefore you couldn't make him feel insecure about that? No, I don't think that, I do think he owned it, but I don't think that he didn't think that I couldn't make him feel insecure. I'm dangerous. I't make him feel insecure. I'm dangerous. I can make you feel insecure, but that's not what I choose

to do. That wasn't the purpose of that. It's never the purpose of that. I don't choose to do that. I'm not those one of those ones you wanna get into dozens with. I bring up your mama. I bring people out of the grave.

I don't care. Don't play that, won't get that. I thought you said you didn't do mama's. I said, what did I just say, did you listen? No, yes, we were talking about it earlier. You say you do dad, but you don't do mom. What I said, I could bring up the mama or people from the grave, but I choose not to even wanna do,

I choose not to do that. And then the mama's, I'm not into talking about people's mama's. That's your birthplace. That's where you came out of. That's the woman that looked at you and said, you're my child. Dad will cross the way somewhere,

eating a McDonald's burger or something. I don't know, but man, please. Okay, you mentioned, okay, you got a brother that's challenged. I do. Do other people that come to your show that might be challenged, Okay, you mentioned, okay, you got a brother that's challenged. I do. Do other people that come to maybe come to your show that might be challenged, have they ever said, Arne?

Never. Wow. Five or six times, if not more, I've had a group of challenged people that were brought in to come and see my show. Wow. I had a lady up there doing sign language at my show. Wow.

Yeah, sign language. What if she wasn't saying what you were saying though? Well, this is how I tested it. I'm glad you said it. That's my proof right there. I said, you say what I say and you better be doing it right. So I'm going, yeah baby, put it in. She was like.

I said, no, put it in baby. Stick it in there. She started going like this. I said, yeah, you doing it right. You doing it right. You doing it right. Yeah, so I just, because there are some that don't, like that one that was in Africa, give a sign like.

Yeah. And a lot of them be doing, they just be up there, they don't be doing nothing. They like their managers talking about steel sector. Yeah, they'll be like, they left the car in the parking lot, we're talking about nuclear bomb. What is this?

Yeah, so yeah, so I never, I never, that I know of, received any bad audience from anybody that's challenged because I don't, I embrace them, I don't mock them, I don't try to hurt anybody that, I don't believe in that because you're like I said, my family is very dysfunctional, very. I don't even look like anybody in my family. I still today, still today, and you know it gets to me, he told me don't cry

because I get my feelings. I remember when my grandmother passed, I was a flight attendant, and I was in my flight attendant uniform, and I had to go. Who the hell you work for? Who let you be a flight attendant? I flew for Continental Airlines for seven years, bro.

Somebody explain why. I handle my business. I handle my business, cuz. Play and go down. You the first one off, you supposed to be the last one. I ain't gonna be the last one. Yeah, 50 dollar bill. You a fight attendant.

Show me in the rule book where it says Ernest J supposed to be the last one off the plane. We had a bomb threat one time. We did. We had a bomb threat. Yeah, we can get, we can get. What was I talking about? You're growing my train of thought.

No, you say you don't look like anybody. Yeah, I can get, we can get, but what was I talking about? Cause you grew up in a train of thought. No, you say you don't look like anybody. Yeah, I don't like, cause when I was at my grandmother's funeral, I told my aunt before I left, cause I had to go catch a flight. I said, I said, auntie, I'm getting ready to go talk to dad before I leave out of here and stuff. Were you dressed in your flight attendants? I was.

Cause I had to go straight through the airport. You didn't want to, okay, go ahead. I had to go straight to the airport. Okay, straight. And my aunt said, oh, you mean the man that raised you. What? What? Can you imagine as a grown up, you hearing that?

Yeah. For the first time, I'm like, what? That wasn't your, she go, oh, oh. Talk to your mama. My world is, now you don't got my, my world just got blew up. I already don't look like nobody in the family. Then you tell me the man that raised me.

I go to my mama and I said, mama, I need to ask you a question before I leave. Please be honest with me. I said, mama, is daddy my real daddy? Tell you what she did. Boy, and walked off. That's not an answer. It wasn't the answer you wanted to hear,

but you got the answer. I mean like, boy, go on with that. I mean, that's not an answer. Yay or nay, yes or no is the answer. Did you ask her again? Did you ever ask her again? No. Because I knew she wasn't gonna answer it.

But did you know deep down? Did you know? No, I didn't. That's the problem. You have to realize, even as adults, a lot of times we don't get closure on things that mess with us when we were a child or that had been through our life.

And me being a loner like I was and like I still am and somewhat, but I have a great family so I'm not alone. I have a great partner, my man, my wife. Do you have siblings, do you have brothers and sisters? I do. Is it yes or no? No, listen to what I'm getting right here.

Okay, I'm listening. I do. Okay. I have two sisters that are left. And we don't speak. Why? Life's too short, Arnaz. Do you wanna know the story or you just?

No, seriously, I wanna know the story. I think the audience would be willing to know the story. Okay. And people get shocked because there's a lot more people like me. Before you go, how long, when was the last time you spoke to me? Almost four years ago, three to four years. Oh, one, it's been about eight years.

Three. One, it's been about four years, it's four years now. Okay. Maybe even five. Okay. You want to discuss what caused this falling out? One of my sisters, it's kind of always been that way. She had maybe some little mental issues going on.

And we just weren't close. You weren't close. Even as growing up as... Yeah, we just weren't close. Okay. And one time that she called me one day, kind of out the blue, stating that she was getting ready to get put out, and I'm her brother, are you calling me? So I fly all the way to Kansas City, Missouri to help her.

I get there, I call her, no answer. Texting her, no reply. Let me get this straight. Your sister called you. She's about to get evicted, put out, whatever the case may be from her home. Because of supposedly why they were doing it was the wrong reason.

So I want to talk to, I had my team, because we were gonna talk for the, Landlord or whatever. Yeah, mm-hmm. And I kept texting her. I don't flew from Atlanta to go Kansas City. Mm-hmm. You ain't answering the phone. Made for This Mountain is a podcast

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podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Did you tell her you were coming? Yes! Okay. Shouldn't know she knows you're coming. Text her. Where you at? I'm here. No answer.

I stayed through the whole weekend. Monday morning, I get home. Monday afternoon, I get a text. Still today, I saw her name and that she had texted me. And then I saw, this is all I saw. I didn't, when I said I didn't know, as far as I read. So to this day, you still haven't read the rain or the text? You wanna know the truth?

Yeah. And please, my audience, forgive me. I don't give a fuck. Because you took my heart and you stomped on it. How many times you gonna stomp on my heart? I'm there to help you. You had me fly there. And please forgive me, even Rod tells me, man, don't you think, well, you know, maybe you should

tells me, man, don't you think, well, you know, maybe you should just try to talk. Why would I try to talk? And you haven't reached out. You haven't reached out. But that one text, when I got back, and you have not reached out to me. Do you think she was embarrassed because she's having to call her brother

and ask for assistance? Do you think she was embarrassed because she's having to call her brother and ask for assistance? Do you think there was a level of embarrassment? You wasn't that embarrassed when you asked me to help you. You wasn't that embarrassed when I told you I'm getting on a plane. You wasn't that embarrassed and said, okay, I'll be here, just call me when you get in.

You weren't embarrassed then. We're blood lined. You can't be embarrassed. When you're asking a person for help, that person has reciprocated to say, I'm going to help you. But you know where to be found. Where is the embarrassment? And I don't even know why she didn't.

And like I stated, she may have some mental issues going on, she's always been that way. But you took me away from my family to come and help you. She may have some mental issues. Mm-hmm gonna she's always been that way but You took me away from my family to come and help you and You didn't reciprocate to me when I got there you let me you let me stand out there when my ass open Out there by myself looking for you Do you think that did it ever occur to to you she might have had an episode? No, because that's not how it started. That's not how that text even started. I didn't know, meaning I didn't know you were coming. When in actuality we had talked and I

told you I'm getting on the plane. I told you I'm coming to help not only did talk We talked for three days Before I came out there And that's not even the worst the worst is the sister now the youngest Are you the oldest? I'm the oldest, okay My sister is the youngest now My brother died. Okay.

Who'd ride me? No, that was Emmanuel. Emmanuel. Are you the oldest in the family? Yes. Okay, you're the oldest, okay. He died by himself, meaning he died alone.

Alone. My other brother before him died by himself in a hotel room. He was eating Burger King four times a day. They said his arteries were so clogged, you could barely see the vein lines. Mmm. That's all he ate. So when I say I come from a dysfunctional family,

I come from a very dysfunctional family. Were you guys, when you were growing up, when you were growing up, when you were seven, ten, twelve, fifteen, were you... I had to take care of them. Oh. Do you believe they view you as a father figure instead of a brother?

I think they view me as when I started becoming who I was, that I was supposed to take care of everything. So they do. My sister, the youngest, when my brother died, we were going to cremate him because he had been in the hotel room for so long, find self, and never checked on her. So I was saying, okay. And she just kept directing, directing. I said, wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. This is how we need to do it.

She kept trying to chest ties. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, back up, back up. Hold on, shorty, hold up. I'm the oldest here. She had the people that do the death certificate. She said there's only one death certificate to be done, and it was to go to her only. How did she get to make that decision that's my point

she Thought that she was To take charge So I said, okay. I'm allow you to do this Because guess who had to pay the money for the cremation everything you see him in this room. Yeah. Yeah so It's funny people that's gonna do the leaves want the most responsive. That part.

You let her handle it though. I let her handle it, okay. The dancer tried to chest-tie me, and I pumped the brakes, and I said, look here. And my fans, they don't see this side of me. This is what I hold inside. That's why my fans are so important to me. I get to release and make them laugh.

When I see them laugh, it turns me on. It makes me feel better who I am. Because they are that important to me. That's why I'm this long standing in this business right now. My special aired, and I'm gonna get back to this. My special aired 18 days ago, 19 days ago, on the fifth day of a special that went straight to YouTube, that Netflix turned down.

You think I was gonna cry over that? I had already done one on Netflix,. You think I was gonna cry over that? I had already done one on Netflix, but you think I was gonna cry over that? Now I have full ownership at YouTube. The fifth day, and look and see how many people has done this, the fifth day. I was at a million views in five days. At 18, we're now at 1.5 something.

In 18 days. At 18, we're now at 1.5 something. In 18 days. Wow. On YouTube. And you own it. By the way, it's called Ernest J. Not Gonna Stop. Anyway, so, I own that. Right. Thank you, Netflix.

They're a great company, they're doing what they're doing. But maybe my type of comedy way, I do it wasn't for them at that time, who knows, you might come back. But here's the thing with that, I do comedy for the people. There's a whole bunch of audience for my type of comedy because I'm that clown. I've even had other comedians call me, try to say I was Steppen Fetchit. I'm a clown, I don't care. That clown got me a nice house,

nice way of life, being that clown. Like I said, that's my type of comedy. But my sister tried to chastise me and this is when it blew up. And I probably shouldn't be saying this, but I trust you. I trust your people. And maybe it's something that I need to get out because it's getting late to come out. I told her, I said, let me explain something to you. When you were in college and you had these girls who wanted to beat your ass,

because you was messing with one of their boyfriends that played football, who came to your rescue. It wasn't mama, it wasn't daddy, it was your big brother that put the word out, don't touch that one. put the word out, don't touch that one. When you needed money, who gave it to you? It wasn't your mama, it wasn't your daddy, it was your big brother. When you by this dude. You needed money. Who gave it to you? It wasn't your mama, it wasn't your daddy.

But you were trying to chastise me. And this is exactly how I said it. I didn't fuck you. And this is exactly how I said it. I didn't fuck you. That boy's daddy's the one that laid with you, the school teacher, that you're afraid to go get child support from. But you're getting mad at me

because I'm telling you what you need to do. Only person you hurting is my nephew and me. These are the only two people you hurting. You hurting us too. But because of you, I'm not gonna be with him. Then she put it out there on social media. If my brother died, it feels like I lost, it feels like I'm so sad, I'm so depressed.

I lost my last brother. But you still... But... Wait, no. No. Wait, no. No. Did you paint yourself like, well damn, I'm still...

Shannon, when she said that, I said, you know what? That's it. So let it be written, so let it be done. I bet you you call me forever, pick up a phone to call you. So that means you haven't talked to your nephew either? Nope. And I got a little video of him that I look at all the time that I made.

I look at that video all the time. When you talk to your wife about it, does she say, Arnaz? Nope. She might rather die. Right. She know the situation. And she ain't the one you wanna play with either though.

But you do realize Arnaz, you said it earlier in the conversation, that that's blood. So what are you supposed to do with blood? When blood, through the blood. Yeah, you know, sometimes, and it's. All family members ain't meant to be family. Sometimes the only family is the bloodline,

because you have nothing. This guy to my right, my Role Manager, Roderick. That's your left, but okay. Oh yeah, well, I guess it's because I use my, didn't I tell you how smart he was? Don't know how to be stupid for a minute. Well, actually he does. There you go, there you go, there you go.

I'm just saying, my mouth hit the floor. Yeah. And I feel, anytime, it's what we. I'm just saying, can I say this one thing? No, we're early in the conversation. We're early in the conversation, we gotta get like another 20, 30 minutes in. I just, it was gonna be quick, but okay.

But you was about to say your role manager is more family than actual family. If I call him, he coming. Not because I pay him, because his heart is coming. His heart is in that car, not his pocket. His pocket's in that car. I'ma feel you out, I'ma see for what you are. Then I'll handle it. Accordingly. Accordingly.

I don't have a lot of people around me. Some of my best friends, mainly all fish. Fish, fish, we love the fish. All fish. Fish, fish. We love the fish. My fans, I give, I don't care if it's one person in the audience or just 10,000, I give everything that I got when I'm on that stage. Everything I got.

And I've been doing that for 34, 35 years. I refuse, refuse to let negativity win with me. I was about to ask you, if you strike me as a person, that I will not let whatever's going on in my life personally affect, impact what I have to do professionally. No, when they told me my momma passed, guess what I was doing? Guess, take a wild guess.

Fishing? Nope. On stage? I was about to walk out on stage and I got grabbed, wait, wait, wait, take this call. I'm getting ready to go out, they called my name. Take this call. Arnaz, mama's gone.

She didn't make it. Did a part of you like to him? I got the best show I ever gave him in my life. Because that's what your mom would have wanted you to do or you felt you was obligated? At energy. You needed that at that time. I needed that. If I didn't have that, I would have broken apart.

When they told me my brother died, guess where I was? On the air during the interview talking about molesting. That had happened to me. And I was getting a lender to somebody else. My mama called me and told me my brother died. I crawled on my knees back in the studio, on my knees, and got back on that microphone. But when my mother died, that show had ever given in my life. I couldn't have done nothing that would ever succeed that. As soon as I got off the stage, and she was in Orlando, she was in Kissimmee, I was in

Miami. I jumped in a car. I swear to God, I must have been hitting about 110 all the way to Kissimmee. Then I said to myself later on, why? She gone. You know why though? Why?

Because that phone call did not go out on that stage, but the energy from that phone call, the grief, I grieved after I got off that stage and wanted to get to her is if I could save her. She was gone. My mom at one point hurt me at one time. She said, because I used to wonder, why do you seem to treat the other kids differently than me? You know what she told me? What'd she tell you?

Because I don't worry about you. Wow. I know you're going to make it. They need me. I think older kids get that a lot. She said, I'm not worried about you. I wanted to worry about you. But your brothers and sisters, those are the ones I got to worry about.

Made sense. It made sense, but as a... I don't know how old when you asked her this, or how old you was when she told you this, but at the time, you just wanted your mom to like, no, that's not the truth, cause I love all y'all to say. Even though you know that's a lie. It was, it was.

Because you were raised by your grandma. I absolutely was. And I'm gonna say this, people sometimes that are raised men, I'm gonna say men. Yes. Because I'm a man, you're a man. Men that are sometimes raised by a grandmother sometimes suffer trauma from the other side of the family

that affects them as they get older. And I think that kinda happened to me. Manifested. Yeah. You have to adjust. And like I said, I'm not trying to make this a down, Debbie conversation, but we speakin' truth, and I don't get to do this.

I don't get to let my friends know who I am. I beat to the beat of my own drums. Is that why you, is that why you're so animated, you're so hyped, you're sweating like a Baptist minister at revival? Yeah. Is that why you're so animated, you're so engaged with your audience? Because all this trauma, all this stuff is built up in your personal life. And now I get to be the real RNSJ

out here in front of 10,000, 15,000 people. I think when I do that also that, I think that's part of it. I think it's a lot of part of it though. But I think I take on this armor, and I even tell my friends sometimes, you were here, you made it here, now I got you. Release everything that's going on wrong with you.

Let it come into me, I got it, got you. Then I'm gonna turn it around, spin it out differently. Like Rod and I were talking and we were talking, I said, well, there's a lot of people that... The comedy world where I'm at, cause I can't say nothing about the music world cause I'm not in the music world. But I'm in this comedy world.

I done been there from the very early to the now. The comedians nowadays, are they lazy? I think so. Internet has helped them be lazy. I get that. When we used to do comedy, you had to grind to get three to five minutes. I never, that's why I know God has me

in a different light, in a different way. I never featured one time, meaning I featured one time in a club, comedy club, which is in Mobile, Alabama. I featured one time. After that, I said, I'm not featuring for nobody else. I'm the one that got myself into the clubs. A lot of these cats nowadays,

they can't really get themselves in the club. They need agents and management or whatever. I got myself into a club. Then I got management. This is a cutthroat business. A lot of these comedians that are out here, and it's sad, there's a lot of great comedians. But unfortunately, somebody asked me to do comedians. One of the other comedians have failed.

Hell, yes they do. I'm glad you brought that up, because you know I had a cat on here. I do. And a lot of that thing, because you know I had a cat on here. I do. And a lot of- I think the world know you had him on here. But Jay, people got mad at me because they said I shouldn't allow him. I was like-

Wait a minute, wait, wait. You shouldn't allow him to do what? I shouldn't allow him to say what he said about those comedians. Why? I was like, y'all make it seem like I knew what he was going to say. Can we be honest? Yes. That was the best thing that you did.

It was. Monetarily also. Yes. So, was there a moral involved in that? I don't know, because I don't really know you like that. Right. Would anybody else might have done that same thing?

Hell yeah they would've. So you, a lot of people, and I believe a lot of people that was in the space that I do do podcasts that I believe they got upset with me because he didn't say what he said on their podcast, he said it on mine. And I got the benefit from it. But there have been comedians that said,

oh, he shouldn't have said that. He should have checked it. I was like, bro, how do I? And who, wait, who are those comedians that said that oh, he shouldn't have said that. He should have checked it. I was like, bro, how do I? And who, wait, who are those comedians that said that? I don't wanna get into that. No, no, no. I'm not gonna talk about them, but the reason I asked you that,

because then I can give you a revelation to that. But I know, because I think a lot of the comedians were close to the comedians that he was talking about. There lies in the problem. There lies in the problem of, I know Kat, I know Kevin, I know Mike. Steve said. I know all of them.

But when they beef with each other, I know all of them. I love this man here, I love that man there. But I also know you are what he said you are. You do what you said he did. That's y'all's beef, that's not for me to get involved. Do I want y'all to do it? No, I do not. I do not want you to do it. It's how you handle the adversity that's put upon you.

If you're going to do what you're going to do, you're going to do what you're going to do. Correct. But always expect something to come back. If you can expect it, then you can sleep. But if you get in shock mode, say I can't believe this happened, you ain't gonna have no good night's sleep. You ain't gonna have no good night's sleep. I think a large part, because like you said, you can't speak to the music industry because you're not in it. You can't

speak to say whatever else because you're not in it. You can't speak to say whatever else because you're not in it. You're in the comedy space. So you knew a lot of this. I don't believe the outside world knew a lot of this. And what Cat did was- Of course I didn't. Cat peeled back the cover and allowed people

that's not in that comedy space to see that there's this animosity going on. And a lot of people say, well, he shouldn't have said that he should have just gone to the individual and whatever personal issue he might have had, he should have addressed it. That's what they're telling me. But I'm like, bro, why?

Everybody always needs to talk. Yeah. Everybody always needs to say something. Everybody always needs to offer that information where they think how it should be. If y'all don't want this, then stop watching social media. Get rid of it. But you want it because there's always something interesting on it. Yeah.

Yeah, he did it on your show. Correct. It was that time, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, he did it on your show. Correct. It was that time, I guess. Yeah. I can't get mad at you. I might even have an, I may even have an opinion that say, you know what? Yeah, maybe you let him go a bit too far.

I could say that. Right. But I can't say that because then I wonder, they say, what, you know what I can't say and what people do? Who would they? I wouldn'ta. That's, you know what I can't stand what people do I would know that's that word I would know Who in the fuck is I wouldn't know?

I know you did right I Know that five million went to somebody's pocket. I know it didn't go to somebody else's pocket, right? You know what a lot of comedians hate? What? When somebody says, oh, he's funny, or she's funny, but they didn't mention their name. I got that too. They didn't mention their name.

You know what a comedian may say? Oh, he's all right, or she's all right. That's deep animosity. Me, I don't watch other comedians. Really? No, I don't watch them. People had one time, long time when I was coming, mainly a lot of LA comedians used to say,

oh, he's stealing material. Motherfucker, I do it in front of you. You know, and then you have to show them you're not the one to be played with. And being that I was always kind of by myself, but I walked by myself. I walked in a crowd by myself. Somebody said, oh man, somebody's looking for you. Really? So when I see them, I heard you're looking for me. What up? Nah, nah, we good.

But it's just like when you had Ocho, you doing something with Ocho. And the brother told me he's going to knock him out or whatever the case may be. Y'all try to demean Ocho by saying he'll hurt you. But you couldn't take Ocho's heart. Even though he may think this brother might hurt me, why in the world would he allow you to see that? Shannon, you're a big dude. You're talking shit to me right now.

You think I'm gonna walk out this room? I'm gonna start taking stuff off. What are we gonna do? It'll take you a while to get that off. No, I'm gonna leave this on. I might use this bitch. Did you see this rock? Oh, and this beautiful, I think it's beautiful.

Yes. Was made by a brother, two brothers, in Atlanta, Georgia. And that thing is called, Rod got the name for me, he's gonna give it to me. They made this especially for me. Okay. I told him I had this, my watch on, I said I wanted to kind of go with the watch.

Right. Had this done in three days. Right. And, what's that? With the Instagram? Yeah. Josset75? Josset Yeah. Yeah. Josset75.

Josset75. So in case you want, he makes bracelets, he makes chains. Good brother. Chatty, but a good brother. You want something big to be seen? Yeah, yeah. Everybody got muscles.

Everybody got these things. I know you got little niggas in there, but that's all right. Everybody. So when you saw the cat video. Talk to me. What did you, you like, oh my goodness. Oh cat, don't let the cat, here's a ring of that.

You wanna know my opinion? Yes, yes. What did you think? Did you, I mean, did you really know it was like this, Arnaz? I know he lied when he said he was running that 4-2. I know he said he can beat you. No, that's a triple lie.

Kevin Hart, Cat Williams, and Arnaz J. Raced during a show. Right. I think it was Cleveland, I can't remember. You asked both of them who won. You outran Kat and... And I'm older than both of them. You outran Kat and Kevin Hart. You don't want to mess with that right there.

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I played baseball. But that was- I played football. I could give a lesson if it was right before Jesus graduated. I still did it. How do you know they did? Cav went out for the basketball team. Cav come play a little ball.

Yeah. But we talking running. But you saw Cav, random jumpers, he was a lethal shooter, random jumper, threes at the top of the key. You saw it. I got mine on film. You saw it.

I got mine on film. I told this dude, get it out the net before I shot it. Then I shot one it was in there. I said go why you move to the left it's coming down. This man. One thing I ain't gonna do is lie. Well since you not lie, when you heard him going in on certain people that he was talking about, what is your opinion? Like you said, what you not gonna do is what he shoulda done or what he shouldn'ta done. What was your opinion on the conversation he and I was having?

My thing when I heard it, I said, okay, the can is open now. But see, you have to realize with me, I don't get involved with that. See, here's the problem a lot of people have. A lot of comedians, they come into the game real young and stuff, I mean, I was young and stuff, but I was already married with a child.

I was already doing a man's life. Okay. I didn't have a bunch of family that was committing like the Wham brothers. I didn't have all of that. Right. I didn't have a big family like that. I had RNSJ and who he's taking care of.

Right. My thing was to take care, let me do my job and go home. Did I fuck up sometime? You damn straight I did. Right. But it happens. Right. let me do my job and go home. Did I fuck up sometime? You damn straight I did. But it happens. It's how you deal with it. No, I didn't click. I'm not a clicker.

I don't have time to click. I have time to do a job and get it done. People say, why don't you end more movies? There's a lot of reasons why I'm not in more movies. Some people at one point said, well, he can't act. Well, I know that's a lie. Some of the best acting is not acting. It's being who you are.

Correct. And all this stuff doesn't happen now. Now the flowers are coming. People call me the triple OG and everything else and give me the respect. People Instagram and say, hey man may I apologize for this back then? once again I'm not the fire starter

If you respect me I give you the respect I go to battle for you But you try to demean me you can't demean Something that God created that will not be demeaned do you realize how many people, and as well as in your case, want to see you not succeed? Yes. That's why my special is called Not Gonna Stop.

I'll probably be telling jokes when I'm in my coffin. I don't know, something may happen. I may turn a flip in that bad boy, who knows? I don't know. But what I'm saying in this business, Shannon, there's so many people that want other people to fail that they might have a chance to succeed. Did you know it was like this when you got into business? Was it always like this?

I started finding out, yes. Oh yes. Especially when people become territorial. There's people who used to think LA comics were the funniest comics in the world, that it had to go through them. What? Man, I'm gonna tell you some stories that blow your mind. Some of that stuff cat got ain't shit. What? You got stuff? No it ain't gonna happen. But I know but I tell you what but hold on you and Ricky Smiler had an issue. Y'all put it to bed after 20 years. How did y'all come to us like you know what man, come on man, we grown, we got grand.

How do you really wanna ask that question? Well, how I really wanna ask. Ask it how you wanna ask it, don't sugar coat. What caused the beef and then who, what idea was it was to squash the beef after 20 years? Well, Ricky can say I caused it and I'm damn sure he caused it. Right. It started out of Atlanta. And that's when you should have asked Kat and DL what happened. It was, he got a misunderstanding, but the problem that I had was you have the misunderstanding like you said come to me right but he went to the black social media and said I

disrespect it and here's what a problem came in in the Atlanta Constitution here's what a problem came in it you the Atlanta Constitution. Here's where the problem came in, you didn't give me a chance to say nothing. Right. You know why? I was on the Tom Jones cruise where we both were supposed to be. Right.

He didn't come. I went. I can't defend myself, I'm on the ocean. But they printed it anyway. But everybody know him, everybody know me. So to say, and we were young, but still, I was fine. I'm always fine. I'm only not fine until you come in my zone and you come in with the wrong intentions. It was squashed because God said it was time. We were on a plane. You were both having to be on the plane.

Check this out, we were both on the plane. I sat in the wrong seat. Look at him, won't he do it? Do it when he want to. And he end up having to sit next to you know I sat in the wrong seat yes, and then Ricky end up sitting next to you Right because I went to my seat and I sat down And I even know it was him and he turned is it aren't ass I?

Don't know if it was nerves or if it was, cause I'm at the Pokebean projects. And you that close? We were at the Pokebean. We, we laughed. And I'm not gonna sit up here. We laughed. I can call him, he can call me. But people have to realize, one thing about fans,

fans aren't stupid, they really aren't. And my fans, I don't call fans, and I apologize, my fans are fans. That's how I feel about, when I perform for them. I'm performing for them. Yeah, you paid your money, but I'm, I'm, I'm sure you get your money work. Whatever happened to you at your job, I got you realize, it's, it, like a lot of people don't see me dressed like this. People know that I can dress.

I wear certain things accordingly. Interesting. I dress to my own beat. Yes. You look, you little smart ass. No, no, no, no. I dress to the way that I feel Yes, I feel like a black king right now. Yeah, I feel like a sugar booger right now

Yeah, I feel like the pimp of the slumps right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like I just walked out of the six after the 60s right now. Yeah, I feel that I Feel that I feel that. I feel that. I feel that. I mean, everybody can't wear golf gear and look like that. Everybody can't wear, oh, golf gear. I bet you ain't got one pair of loose underwear. I bet you all I'm tight. Yeah, I'm still fairly young.

I don't wear, I wear boxers to bed, but you know, I don't wear boxers out in the streets. Neither do I, I wear tights. Yeah, yeah. See? Yeah. And you all look at me. Yeah, but that's okay.

That's okay. I'd still beat your arm, Russell, though. That'd happen. Yeah, I could. Let me ask you a question. You, joke telling. Let's go with joke stealing first. Where are you on joke stealing? Because look, I've had a lot of, like I said,

you know I've had a lot of comedians over here. And some says, okay, is that your only joke? Is that the last joke you're gonna ever tell? If it's not, it shouldn't be that big of a deal. Some say, no, hell to the no. You ain't been to steal it and try to rearrange and make it this and say that. When you know the premise of that joke, it's mine.

So what are you asking me? I'm asking you, where on you on this joke stealing? I'm very agitated about joke stealing. Watch this. I know you ain't putting the camera on. Roderick, how do I feel about joke stealing? You are dead set against it. I took somebody off my crew who I love because they did a joke that somebody did

and they couldn't understand what was the problem. I said, I tell you what, you go on and sit about a month. You come back, you keep looking at it. You sit about a month, then you come back to me. Tell me what's going on. It is a must that you be original. As original as you can be. I'm not saying people don't sometimes have a concept.

Yeah, because I mean. Because black people have, everybody black know about Kool-Aid, great Kool-Aid, Maloney sandwiches. Yes, yes. But it's how you do it. You know when it belongs to somebody else. Mm-hmm, you do. You know when it belongs to somebody else.

No matter how all the excuses you try to make, you know when it belongs to somebody else. No matter how all the excuses you try to make, you know when it belongs to somebody else. But yet you wanna go, you think because you get a laugh for it, you don't, the worst thing I hate when a comedian says, I ripped it. I've never said that. I've never said that.

I've never said I ripped it. I've never said I tore the house down. I look at a comedy as a war sometimes. I want you to be good. If I go behind you, I'm coming with everything I got. If I go in front of you, stand by and be ready. So it doesn't really matter where you go in the show. It does not, because a lot of people say,

well, Jay, you should have closed the show. That ain't, that ain't. That's not for you to decide. That's not for me to decide. What decides that is my contract. I go where I think the money is right for me. You want me to close, I don't have a problem with that, but you are going to pay me to be in that position,

because there's a lot that comes along with that. Okay. Okay. I see everybody's not a closer. Mm-hmm I don't care how much television you got These streets is war out here when you step on that stage That's war. Mm-hmm. Oh You leave that tells her that television behind. I hope you ain't got in the car with you leave that television behind. I hope you ain't got it in the car with you. Leave that television behind. Because you know why you leave it behind? Because that's what they saw on TV.

Now they're getting ready to see you live. What you gonna do? It's a big difference performing in front of that tube as opposed to in front of them 10,000. It's a big difference to perform in front of your family on the porch than it is when you get paid for it to do it professionally. Everybody's in a comedy game

shouldn't be in a comedy game. Wow. Everybody's in the comedy game should not be in a comedy game. Do your due diligence. Serve yourself, sweat. And I'm not saying any particular person. Right. I'm saying what it is.

But when a comedian says to me, I ripped it, I just. Oh really, huh? Okay. Because you've been at this thing 34, 35 years, you've seen the evolution of joke telling. I have. There are jokes that you could tell in 1990, I've been at this thing 34, 35 years. You've seen the evolution of joke telling. I have. There are jokes that you could tell in 1990, 1995, and 2000.

You can't do now. You better not touch it, 2020. But here's the thing. What's that? That's where the word relevance come in. Can you be relevant? Why do you think people won't let go of Rodney? Why do you think they won't let me of Rodney? Why do you think they won't let me allow him

to rest in peace? Because he's evolution. No matter if it's back then or it's now, they don't care about what you're talking about. They just care about that as Rodney. Right. When you do, like I said, I don't target people. I don't talk about a person's demise. If you're gonna talk about murder, death,

I don't talk about death. But if you're gonna do it, make sure you're ready for the response you're gonna get. Make sure you're ready to do that like it's supposed to be told. Because you can make death funny. But don't go in there just because you done seen it. You automatically think, oh, this is what I'm gonna say. Because it's all about the death. because you can make death funny. But don't go in there just because you don't see it,

you automatically think, oh, this is what I'm going to say. Because it don't work that way. It don't work that way. How has RNSJ had to evolve? Because like you said, there are some jokes that you could tell back then that you wouldn't say it, that you brought the house down or you ripped it. So how have you had to evolve it, that you brought the house down or you ripped it.

So how have you had to evolve knowing that, you know, jokes, even gay jokes, you made fun of gay mannerisms. I sure do. You know why? Why? Because that's around me. I grew up with it. I'm allowed to talk about people that are challenged.

I grew up around it. It's in my family. It gives me the right. Right. And you have intimate personal knowledge about it because you, like you said, you grew up around it. I grew up around it, I saw it. My uncle, man, let me tell you something.

I went back home one time in Florida, one of my cousins, I walked in the living room, I asked my uncle, I said, who's that girl in there? He just walked over, I said, who's that girl in there? He just walked up and said, boy, that's your cousin. I said, who? That's your cousin. I said, who? What son you think I got that would be your cousin? I looked back and I said, n*** nigga, you lying. He completely transgendered over. Think I wasn't gonna get it? First thing is, gonna get it.

But I had to be around him to get it. Right. See, I don't, I gotta be around it. So you don't make jokes about things that you don't have an intimate, a personal knowledge. Because I had Quake and had Bruce Bruce, two of my favorites, a personal knowledge, because had Quake and had Bruce Bruce, two of my favorites, I saw them, and I gotta get to one of your shows.

They say their job is to take real life events and make them funny. You being around that situation, you being around Rodney, you being around your cousin, your Uncle Charlie, you around that, you saw that, you picked up on that. That's years and years and years. And everybody has an Uncle Charlie.

Everybody's black anyway. Even somebody white may have an Uncle Charlie. Right. Always. In Africa, they wear their pants high. Yeah, on purpose. So when you made the joke about your cousin, did he know you were joking about him?

Has he ever said anything about, come on bro, you let that go. He said none of me. He's the one I talk about when he says something, he always points to the left. Every time, never goes to the right. And looks you dead in your face. You could be at the table eating everything. What'd you say?

A lot of Africans love me, and I love them, but they funny. African dudes lie all the time. I'm not saying all of them, but they lie. That was something about what they got. But you had TSA work. Did I say something? One African dude told me one time, he said, Scanlon went up, he was like, come forward, come forward. You know, that's cool, but you ain't got to talk to me like that. No, no, no, no, he said, bucka, bucka, bucka, bucka. I said, okay.

He said, come forward, come forward. I said, man, you ain't gotta do all that. Come forward, I'm the supervisor. I said, no. I'm not going to come forward. I remember you. Oh, he got mad. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

He got mad. Do you ever get hate mail for doing a joke? Or talking about a, I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait years ago, from a family that lived in Australia. Damn. Said, we saw him and he wasn't who we thought he was. What did they think you were? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know, Charlin. I don't know. I don't know, Charlin. I don't know. I don't know, Charlin. I don't know. I don't know, Charlin. I don't know. I don't know. Don't know, Charlin. But other comedians, because you did and you had the mannerism down to a T,

they thought you were gay. What? They thought I was gay before I was a comedian. Before I was a comedian. Really, it's a funny story. And I hope he see this. You know I don't do names. It's a comedian trying to get with a girl

that was just a good friend that we knew. I know he didn't do what I think. Yes he did. He didn't tell her you were. Yes he did and the word he used was, Arnaz J, that's a friend of you were. Yes, he did. And the word he used was, Arnaz J. That's a friend of y'all. Oh, he a f***.

That's why you gotta watch who you run your mouth to. He said, oh, he a f***. He like boys. Really? So, this is why I say God is great. We were doing a show in Philadelphia. I think we were at Tulane College. He just happened to be on the show.

Rod was in the room. He came in and did not going to do anything. Like he ain't nothing. Like he ain't nothing. Like he ain't saying what he's saying. I said, thank you Jesus. I ain't got to Like he ain't nothing. Like he ain't saying what he saying. I said, thank you Jesus. I ain't gotta go to his room. I said, Rod, I need you to step out for a minute.

I need you to step out for a minute. So I looked at him, and I looked at him just like that. I sat down, he's like, where you at? He said, yeah, yeah, what's up? I said, I'll tell you what. We can handle this one of two ways, but it's gonna get handled. We can talk about it like grown men, or we can go to the street. And I said, and you know me, you know I'm praying

that you wanna go to the street with it. So I'm a f***ing man. And he just knew. And he went, what? I said, what? Who's what? I'm a f***ing man. I like boys?

Oh man, I was just, you were just trying to what? I said, I've been nothing but nice to you and your son, ever. But I tell you what though, you needed to say that to a woman about another man so you could think that was gonna get you somewhere or you just being hateful. I said, that's what a little do. Are you a bitch? I said, I think so.

Damn. Something like that on it? I said, I think so. What did he say? Crying? I didn't say that, you did. He cried on there. I'm just saying.

He apologized? Yeah, he apologized. You're going to do it like Harlem Nights. Not want everything you took here tonight and everything you took here all week. Yeah, that's funny. That's funny to me. No, he ain't not wanted, no, he ain't have nothing. He's wearing tennis shoes now.

So let me ask you a question. After that point, did he ever say anything else to you? Y'all cool now? No, we're not. Cause I mean we're cool, but I got the feeling he wasn't sincere. It was that in the moment, and the walls ran on him. Cause I'm like what, and I even ask, why would you do something like that?

What inspires you to do that? Bro, it's hard enough out here, but we banging on each other now? About a brawl, too. Yeah, about a woman that you want to get with? That you had happened, though, Jay. I in my life ain't never dogged another man to get with a woman. Nope.

Nope. It ain't... Nope. Nope, it ain't. Nope. I'm talking to a dude, back in the day, a woman looked at me like outside, I'm sorry, I took it. My mama told me I was cute too, I don't know what the hell you think. You're right, no.

She did just like my cousin. No, I don't believe in that. I don't believe in that. That is a code. Yes, what it used to be. Fact. Used to be. Used to be. Used to be. Because, and why did it change?

When did it change? Why is it changing? I have no idea. Because even if a guy had a girl and they're not together and she come ask me, I know you knew what I know. Oh, I know you knew he they're not together. And she come ask me, I know you knew what I know. Oh, I know you knew he had such and such. I don't know nothing. First of all, there's no female ever walk up to me like that.

Yeah, but they, because they want you. Because first of all, if that's my friend, that's my friend, don't walk up on me and ask me something crazy. They have, they already know. Don't walk up on me and ask me something crazy. They already know. Don't ask me. I had a homeboy say, I ain't gonna even ask Shannon

because I already know he gonna lie. I met you through him. My loyalty is all to him. Yeah. Never, I'm never gonna. I've never said anything I say never, and I hate saying never all or every. Got you, I'm never gonna, I've never said anything I say never and I hate saying never all or every. Got you, I got you.

But you not finna get me to talk bad about somebody else just so I can get in a favorable position with someone else. That ain't how it work. Boy, I wish you had more time on here. There's some boys, oh but but see young, youngs, I could, they doing that now though. They do that.

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